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wheezer
01-28-2009, 11:55 AM
To the grade-grubbers go the spoils. And the grade-grubbers in this case are rabble-rousing parents in Virginia's Fairfax County. Residents of the high-powered Washington suburb have been battling the district's tough grading practices; chief among their complaints is that scoring a 93 gets recorded as a lowly B+. After forming an official protest group last year called Fairgrade and goading the school board into voting on whether to ease the standards, parents marshaled 10,000 signatures online and nearly 500 in-person supporters to help plead their case on Jan. 22. After two hours of debate, the resolution passed, a move critics consider a defeat in the war on grade inflation. (Read about students getting paid for good grades.)

At most schools in the U.S., a 90 earns you an A, but in Fairfax County, getting the goods demands a full 94. Merely passing is tougher, too, requiring a 64 rather than a 60. Nor do students get much help clearing those high bars if they take tougher courses. Compared to the kind of GPA "weighting" many districts give for Advanced Placement or International Baccalaureate courses, Fairfax County's half-point boost is peanuts. The upshot, protestors say, is that Fairfax kids are at a disadvantage on multiple fronts: snagging good-driver insurance discounts (which often factor in GPA), earning NCAA eligibility, winning merit scholarships, and - oh, yeah - getting into college. (See pictures of the college dorm's evolution.)

Sure, admissions officers say they take into account the fact that some schools are more rigorous than others. But as more universities downplay the SAT or drop it from consideration altogether, colleges are making it known that GPAs are more important than ever before. And this shift is fueling a growing firestorm over grades: 75 districts in 12 states have relaxed their grading standards since 2005. Meanwhile, attendees at the annual meeting of the Association of American Colleges and Universities this month in Seattle argued for ditching grades in college and instead using the long-form "narrative evaluations" already required by some universities. (Read more about an antidote to college rankings.)

Fairfax was never considering anything that drastic, but in response to parents' complaints, in April the superintendent launched a study on how the district's grading system affects students. (Fairgrade, initially a cosponsor of the study, jumped ship in December when its members disagreed with how the school board characterized the results.) Based on the findings released in early January - which showed that changing the scale would slightly boost GPAs but was inconclusive about whether this would help students get into better colleges - last Thursday the school board agreed to start using a higher premium for tough courses and to adopt a new variant of a 10-point grading scale.

Fairgrade is "cautiously optimistic," says the group's president Megan McLaughlin, a former Georgetown admissions officer whose three sons are 8, 11, and 13. Her husband is a Fairfax County high school grad, and McLaughlin says her in-laws recall fighting the current grading system in the late '70s before it was implemented in 1981. McLaughlin and others are cautious because the details of the new grading system still need to be ironed out.

The vote is also good news for local business leaders who have joined the Fairgrade effort, warning that families worried about their kids getting into good colleges may move out of the county if the school district doesn't change its grading system. Talk of a possible exodus killing off business and destroying property values sounds a tad melodramatic, but given the tanking market and ongoing credit crunch, it's no wonder people are trying to do everything thing they can to shore up the local economy. (See pictures of a diverse group of American teens.)

Opponents of Fairgrade counter that any move perceived as encouraging grade inflation could tarnish the school district's sterling reputation. Stuart Gibson, a Justice Department litigator serving his 14th year on the school board, voted for changing the grading system but will continue to oppose lowering the passing grade to 60. And he wants to maintain rigorous standards despite the three dozen e-mails he gets every day from Fairgrade supporters. He notes that in a neighboring district, 36% of students who graduated in June had a weighted GPA of 4.0 or higher. "I moved here from Minnesota, but I'd never been to Lake Wobegon," Gibson says, referring to the fictional town where all the children are above average. "Do we really want to have a reputation as an easy-A jurisdiction?" He adds, "It doesn't improve their achievement. It just improves their achievement on paper."

Gibson's foes argue that when you're talking about some of the best schools in the country, regular statistical rules don't apply. In 2007, for instance, Fairfax County's Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology produced 158 semifinalists in the prestigious National Merit scholarship competition - more than any other U.S. high school - and boasted the highest average SAT score in the country. Yet out of 432 seniors that year, according to McLaughlin, only 16 graduated with straight A's. "They happen to attend a school that has a large percentage of bright, high-performing students," she says. "You should hope that the student GPAs reflect the SAT averages, which are a national measure of the caliber and the abilities of the students." McLaughlin adds that high standards should come from tough teachers and a rigorous curriculum, not from artificially deflating grades.

Whether grade inflation exists and how it affects students has been debated at least since 1894, when a committee at Harvard declared that A's and B's were awarded "too readily." Princeton in 2004 became the only Ivy League school to adopt a grade deflation policy, including quotas for A's. To skeptics like Gibson, grades should be guides to help students see where they can improve, not rubber stamps to confirm a smart kid's hunch that he or she is smart - or gold stars on a resume. "Grades don't only exist to be reported to college admissions officers," he says. Gibson also rejects the Fairgrade argument that adjusting the standards would improve the dropout rate among those at risk of failing. "I don't think it helps any student to say, 'Well, we're going to lower the standard to pass so you can stay in school,'" he says. "When you go out in the world, there are certain skills and knowledge that you need to succeed."

Despite the apparent victory for Fairgrade, in the end both sides still have to manage expectations. Gibson recalls an e-mail he got from one parent: "It said, 'My daughter's a solid 'C' student, and if you don't change the grading scale, she's never going to get into the University of Virginia,'" he says, referring to the state's highly selective, flagship public university. "I'm thinking, no, we're going to have to change the grading scale a lot." After all, the goal is achieving fairness, not fantasy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090128/us_time/08599187426600

wheezer
01-28-2009, 11:58 AM
We need to stop lowering our standards. Like it or not we cannot compete in Math and Science as it is. The only thing that keeps us ahead is money. We can hire the best from other countries. Slowly that is fading as well though. Many are staying in their home countries to help elevate the status.

texanne
01-28-2009, 12:20 PM
I lived in Fairfax county for a while. I was rather pleased with the tougher standards. Kids have a way of living up or down to expectations. Colleges take into account where applicants received their high school diplomas. Why turn a system with a good reputation into something run of the mill? I will admit that only one of my grandsons went to school there, and that was for a short period of time, so maybe my opinion would change if I had been there longer.

wheezer
01-28-2009, 12:41 PM
My mind is just boggled that any parent would fight to LOWER the standards of the school their child is attending. These are the type of parents that my husband has to deal with. He is a University Professor, and he has actually had parents call him because their child got a low grade. Let's remember their child is no longer a child, but an adult, and the parents are actually calling the University b/c little Jimmy or Susie got a low or failing grade.

This is the one subject I am as conservative as you can get. Anything else I am pretty much a tree hugging liberal. Education though is the only way to elevate a country, and I have no patience or tolerance for stuff like this.

Pandabear
01-28-2009, 08:35 PM
I don't think it's as much the grade percentage as it is the stigma that these parents are placing on the alphabet. What I mean is, a 92 or a 93 is a great percentage but they stick that nasty B letter to it and it blows these parents minds and makes them think their child has it so tough.

I went to school is a very rural, very poor high school in Louisiana. Our grading system was:

95 - 100 = A
90 - 94 = B
85 - 89 = C
75 - 84 = D
0 - 74 = F

When my son went to school 30 years later, a 75 was a C! I'd love to see some of the kids now days try to make their parents happy with the grade scale we had.

wheezer
01-28-2009, 08:52 PM
I don't think it's as much the grade percentage as it is the stigma that these parents are placing on the alphabet. What I mean is, a 92 or a 93 is a great percentage but they stick that nasty B letter to it and it blows these parents minds and makes them think their child has it so tough.

I went to school is a very rural, very poor high school in Louisiana. Our grading system was:

95 - 100 = A
90 - 94 = B
85 - 89 = C
75 - 84 = D
0 - 74 = F

When my son went to school 30 years later, a 75 was a C! I'd love to see some of the kids now days try to make their parents happy with the grade scale we had.

This is exactly what I am talking about. As a society we should be progressing. Instead around the mid 1960's we changed the grading scale. Then in the 70's we changed it just a little bit more. By the 80's colleges and universities had to change their entrance scores b/c the average high school graduate could no longer pass the entrance exam.

Never should the colleges and universities have done this. IMO they only validated the K-12 lowered expectations. A lot of people do not realize this, but the first two years of college are usually spent in many ways getting the students caught up on many things they should have learned in high school.

Not one time in high school did I take a book home. Not one time. Trust me I am far from the brightest bulb in the box. LOL
That is how easy it was. There is something wrong with that. Of course my parents were older, came from another generation, and trusted the system. I being a kid, didn't get it. Didn't get that I probably wasn't getting the education I needed.

We need to go back to not passing kids who should not be passed. I don't care if it hurts their feelings. Better to hurt their feelings now, than this child continue and not have the skills he/she needs to compete in an ever changing world.

I also think we need to hold more parents accountable. So many parents are not involved, have no idea what is going on. It is time for that to end. I understand people are working, some working two jobs, but nothing overrides your child's education.

I think the whole system needs to be scrapped and start from scratch.

Bernie
02-03-2009, 03:26 PM
U.S. Teens Trail Peers Around World on Math-Science Test

By Maria Glod
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 5, 2007; Page A07

The disappointing performance of U.S. teenagers in math and science on an international exam, in scores released yesterday, has sparked calls for improvement in public schools to help the country keep pace in the global economy.

The scores from the 2006 Program for International Student Assessment showed that U.S. 15-year-olds trailed their peers from many industrialized countries. The average science score of U.S. students lagged behind those in 16 of 30 countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a Paris-based group that represents the world's richest countries. The U.S. students were further behind in math, trailing counterparts in 23 countries.


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"How are our children going to be able to compete with the children of the world? The answer is not well," said former Colorado governor Roy Romer, chairman of Strong American Schools, a nonpartisan group seeking to make education prominent in the 2008 presidential election.

The PISA test, given every three years, measures the ability of 15-year-olds to apply math and science knowledge in real-life contexts. About 400,000 students, including 5,600 in the United States, took the 2006 exam. There is also a reading portion, but results for U.S. students were thrown out because the tests were printed incorrectly.

Students in Finland received the top scores in science and math. Mexico was at the bottom.

The PISA results underscore concerns that too few U.S. students are prepared to become engineers, scientists and physicians, and that the country might lose ground to competitors. An expert panel appointed last year by President Bush is preparing to recommend ways to improve public school math instruction, with a focus on algebra.

Former West Virginia governor Bob Wise, president of the Alliance for Excellent Education, a group seeking to improve high schools, said the scores show a need for more training and support for math and science teachers. He also said the federal government should encourage states to agree on common education standards so that all students are working toward the same targets.


"This, to me, is the Olympics of academics," Wise said, "and we need to respond to it."

PISA, first administered in 2000, covers reading, math and science. But each time the test is given, it focuses in depth on one subject. Last year's exam spotlighted science, covering concepts in physics, chemistry, biology and earth and space science.

Mark S. Schneider, commissioner of the National Center for Education Statistics in the Education Department, said the exam isn't designed to measure a student's recall of facts. Instead, he said, it tests a student's ability to apply knowledge using "more sophisticated concepts and deeper reasoning skills."

On the science portion, U.S. students, most of them 10th-graders, received an average score of 489 on a 1,000-point scale, 11 points below the average of the 30 countries. Canada, Japan and Korea were among the countries in which students outperformed U.S. counterparts. U.S. students were on par with peers in eight countries and outperformed those from five others.

In math, only four countries had average scores lower than the United States. Students in 23 countries had a higher average score, and those in two countries did about the same as the Americans.

The ranking of U.S. students in math and science is about the same as it was in 2003.

Education Secretary Margaret Spellings said that the results were disappointing but that the National Math Advisory Panel and other initiatives are in motion to bolster math and science education. The ranking "speaks to what President Bush has long been advocating for: more rigor in our nation's high schools; additional resources for advanced courses to prepare students for college-level studies; and stronger math and science education," she said in a statement.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/04/AR2007120400730.html


We can not lower standards and still keep pace with the world ...I dont understand a parents desire to lower standards.....

Tracian
06-17-2009, 02:07 AM
hello every

PatC
06-18-2009, 11:33 AM
I don't think it's as much the grade percentage as it is the stigma that these parents are placing on the alphabet. What I mean is, a 92 or a 93 is a great percentage but they stick that nasty B letter to it and it blows these parents minds and makes them think their child has it so tough.

I went to school is a very rural, very poor high school in Louisiana. Our grading system was:

95 - 100 = A
90 - 94 = B
85 - 89 = C
75 - 84 = D
0 - 74 = F

When my son went to school 30 years later, a 75 was a C! I'd love to see some of the kids now days try to make their parents happy with the grade scale we had.

I went to school in a small but rather affluent town in Oklahoma and our grading system was as stated above. I can't imagine a student scoring a 60 and being considered to be "passing" the subject.!

texanne
06-18-2009, 12:26 PM
Anything below 70 is a failing grade here. As I posted earlier in this thread, I lived in Fairfax County and was pleased with the schools there. Students who have to step it up in grade school have an easier time once they get into college. Some parents here complain about the school being tough on Jr. High students.....I say way to go. Even my honor roll grandson had to step it up this past year when he entered Jr. High. I really hate to see Fairfax County lower their standards.