Double our efforts

[Big Ben]

Yesterday on CNN someone up top the food chain said we are going to double our efforts to help our service men,women deal with stress.This came about with that shooting of 5 service men ,by one of their own at Camp Liberty.
My question why in the hell did they need to have a shooting & NOW double their efforts.
The effort should have bin at MAX effort from the get go.SO IS DOUBLING THE EFFORT NOW,DOES THIS TAKE IT TO ALL THEY CAN DO?
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[Roamer]

I don't have much confidence in the government, Ben, and I don't see how they can speed up destressing the terrible things servicemen have seen and been ordered to do.

[Big Ben]

I don't have much confidence in the government, Ben, and I don't see how they can speed up destressing the terrible things servicemen have seen and been ordered to do.
Hi Roamer,how are you doing?
It just pissed me off that the government isnt giving the service men/women their best effort.
One way to help is cut the time in country in 1/2. Another thing give them some R&R out of country to a non combat zone for a 2wk. or so vacation(R&R).
Have trained people to address a soldiers problems while in combat & not the mind set that the soldier is faking& do nothing.
I bin in that situation way back when & i have nothing good to say about the efforts to address our burned out military.
another thing why are we still fighting,give it up those folks MO ,dont want us in their country so lets get the hell out.We left good service men behind in Vietnam,& my outfit was thrown to the wolves in Vietnam by General Wesmorlan & most of the Marines in my outfit got killed because of that Gen.Sorry just a burned out Marine rambling after 41 years,but ill never forget.Again sorry for my off topic rambling

[Roamer]

Don't be sorry, Ben. My dad was career Air Force, and by the time he retired, he was totally against the service, the government, and, later on when he got sick, the VA. So I totally understand what you're saying.

[texanne]

I think it is heartbreaking the way our service men and women are treated. They are humans sent into inhuman situations, FGS. Just the money spent on limos and private planes for big shot politicians could go a long way toward treatment and prevention. My brother came home from Viet Nam an emotional wreck. I have told the story before of how he was sick and laying on the sofa just after he got back. The noon whistle at our local fire station went off, and he was up with a wild look in his eyes, and tripped over a heavy coffee table trying to run to a non-existent bunker. He was at Da Nang during something called the TET offensive. I will never forget the wild look in his eyes before he "came to". I cried over that incident when he was not around. He left a sweet, vulnerable boy and came back a hardened man who drank too much. Many people are demonizing the Sgt. who shot the other soldiers. He is as much a victim of the Iraq fiasco as the five dead soldiers. I cannot imagine carrying all the equipment they have to in 115 degree weather and having to watch out for the enemy who are not even in uniforms......for the third time. If this incident does not wake people up and get them demanding action, then we are not the civilized society we pretend to be.

[Big Ben]

I think it is heartbreaking the way our service men and women are treated. They are humans sent into inhuman situations, FGS. Just the money spent on limos and private planes for big shot politicians could go a long way toward treatment and prevention. My brother came home from Viet Nam an emotional wreck. I have told the story before of how he was sick and laying on the sofa just after he got back. The noon whistle at our local fire station went off, and he was up with a wild look in his eyes, and tripped over a heavy coffee table trying to run to a non-existent bunker. He was at Da Nang during something called the TET offensive. I will never forget the wild look in his eyes before he "came to". I cried over that incident when he was not around. He left a sweet, vulnerable boy and came back a hardened man who drank too much. Many people are demonizing the Sgt. who shot the other soldiers. He is as much a victim of the Iraq fiasco as the five dead soldiers. I cannot imagine carrying all the equipment they have to in 115 degree weather and having to watch out for the enemy who are not even in uniforms......for the third time. If this incident does not wake people up and get them demanding action, then we are not the civilized society we pretend to be.


Iwas in the Marines 1960/68,Vietnam 1965 &67 that being said for the life of me i cant figure out what all they carry in their back packs ,that to me are very overloaded with what? I know we carried ''C'' rations ,a blanket ,pancho & mess gear(eating utensils)thats about it.On our hip two canteens of water,a little first aid kit ,a K-Bar(like hunting knife)&ammo.
So geting back to present day ,set up a base camp ,well guarded & send out with mimimum gear lets say 100 troops ,100 staying at base camp & rotate these folks,why tramp all over with whatever gear in the heat.:0009:

[texanne]

Iwas in the Marines 1960/68,Vietnam 1965 &67 that being said for the life of me i cant figure out what all they carry in their back packs ,that to me are very overloaded with what? I know we carried ''C'' rations ,a blanket ,pancho & mess gear(eating utensils)thats about it.On our hip two canteens of water,a little first aid kit ,a K-Bar(like hunting knife)&ammo.
So geting back to present day ,set up a base camp ,well guarded & send out with mimimum gear lets say 100 troops ,100 staying at base camp & rotate these folks,why tramp all over with whatever gear in the heat.:0009:


My brother was one of the guys on the "Jolly Green Giant" rescue and recovery helicopters. The PX on the base had some replicas of the choppers made into ciggarette lighters....that is the only thing I reached and took when he died. I have it in a display case to remind me of what he went through. He carried a lot of anger and despair over the loss of guys he was close to.....and the ones they could not get to.

I don't understand all the weighty packs either. If they wear bullet proof vests..that alone would be torture in that climate. I think everyone that thinks being there is such a hot idea should suit up and ship out. But then, that is another subject.

[gramvof14]

My opinion is they are burning the men out they have done multiple tours over there and I think that is terrible.Let them do one tour and thats it. They didn't get killed the first time so send them again and again I really am sick of it.Let them fight for their own country I am sick of us having to save the world.My husband was a diabled Vet from the Korean war so I do know what war does to them. Bring them home. JMOOOC gramv