Wienman~Legal docs (Charged in Cat Killings)

[awakening2lite]

The arrest affidavit pdf file (only 10 pages)

http://static.cbslocal.com/station/wfor/files/WeinmanWarrant..pdf


Affidavit contains chronology of animal cruelty, mutilations, and burglaries.


Note: No blood at the scene where the cats were discovered. They were killed somewhere else. The majority were found by their owners in their fenced in back yards.

Weinman, worked at the Jewish Community Center after having been expelled from 2 high schools. He reportedly told LE he didn't feel the need for school because his grades were off the chart.

It's my opinion the affidavit points to the tracking device showing him at the residence of one cat - going directly home - then returning. I think it looks like he took them home and mutilated them.

[awakening2lite]

From Dade County Clerk


Seq. No. Date Docket
147 07/10/2009 MOTION TO/FOR: STRIKE DEFENSE WITNESS LIST
146 07/10/2009 MOTION TO/FOR: FOR RECONSIDERATION OF MOTION TO PRESERVE EVIDENCE
144 07/10/2009 TRIAL HEARING SCHEDULED FOR 10/19/2009 AT 09:00
143 07/10/2009 REPORT RE: PLEA/SOUNDING SET FOR 10/08/2009 AT 09:01
142 07/10/2009 MOTION TO COMPEL FILED 07/06/2009
SET FOR 07/10/2009 AT 09:00 GRANTED
122 07/10/2009 MOTION FOR RETURN OF PROPERTY FILED 06/29/2009

[LiveLaughLuv]

Welcome to HFTM, Steve :howdy:

On page 6, last four sentences, is very incriminating to me. He learned these techniques at school, elaborated on what sound he heard when he disected these poor animals. Animal cruelty in this manner is one step from human beings...these cats were either tanquilized or poisoned was his position on how these animals were caught..why make an assumption?

These cats were all found in the vacinity where this teen resided..

It goes on to say on page 7 that MD Pshycologial services gave a profile of the offender, that he had a "conduct disorder" and that in adults this would be a sociopath. That this Tyler Haines Weinman meets this profile and had he not been thrown out of school would have graduated HS...

Very many coincidences...one is coindence, two is happenstance, three or more are enemy actions. IMO...

[awakening2lite]

if you read the arrest affidavit about the tracking devices again you will see that it says that he returned home one night, and then when it says he was stopped at the same place, it is on another date. you have fallen for the detective's creative writing as many other people have fallen for and accepted anything these detectives have to say with out thinking twice.


You mean this? Note the highlighted portion. It clearly shows him in the neighborhood - going home - returning to the neighborhood. Page 9 of the warrant. Ms Akache reported last seeing her cat at 8:30 pm on June 5. She discovered her mutilated cat approx 11:30 am on the morning of the 6th. Police arrived at her residence June 6 - see page 8


http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg21/awakening2lite/Wienman%20-%20cat%20killer/WeinmancatkillerAkachecat.jpg

[annalyzer]

Because of Steve's post last night I opened the document to read. I had to skim over all of the accounts of the cats being mutilated and tortured. Too disgustingly sick and evil for me to read. I hope whoever did this is held accountable. He is one sick evil person.

[LiveLaughLuv]

Sociopath is just another descriptive word for "anti social personality disorder". We've seen enough to know...:eyebrow1qb:

I haven't paid much attention to this dispicable act against defenseless felines so I can't comment on all that you've written. I will reserve that for after I've caught myself up on this case...

I do thank you for the time you've taken to write what you think the state has failed to do but I've also heard that same arguement from someone else who sits accused of the death of their own...just sounds like defense talk and I'm guessing that is who you are...It's the defense's job to get the culprit off, scott free with no after thought of who may be at risk. Either way, for now, I'm grateful it has stopped. It has stopped hasn't it? There haven't been anymore killings of felines since his apprehension...:45024:

[SavannahStar]

Sociopath is just another descriptive word for "anti social personality disorder". We've seen enough to know...:eyebrow1qb:

I haven't paid much attention to this dispicable act against defenseless felines so I can't comment on all that you've written. I will reserve that for after I've caught myself up on this case...

I do thank you for the time you've taken to write what you think the state has failed to do but I've also heard that same arguement from someone else who sits accused of the death of their own...just sounds like defense talk and I'm guessing that is who you are...It's the defense's job to get the culprit off, scott free with no after thought of who may be at risk. Either way, for now, I'm grateful it has stopped. It has stopped hasn't it? There haven't been anymore killings of felines since his apprehension...:45024:


I wonder if Steve is a personal friend of Wienman.:INhouseReading04:

[Roamer]

I didn't know what/who this thread was about until I read it. I amended the title so people will know who he is.

[SavannahStar]

I didn't know what/who this thread was about until I read it. I amended the title so people will know who he is.

Thanks, that really helps. I didn't know at first either.

[SavannahStar]

Just curious if you are a personal friend of Mr. Weinman. You may have missed my question. TIA.

[annalyzer]

Well Steve, someone committed these horrible acts against innocent cats. Is there some reason you believe the defendant is innocent?

[Roamer]

Sorry, Steve. I removed the last part of your message because we don't call names here. Didn't mean to delete your whole post.

You may post it again.

[Anya]

the school he went to has been teaching that class for 20 years, 3 different teachers teach the class, 30 kids in one class, 5 periods a day. if thats your definition of "very incriminating" evidence, you are looking at 9000 kids and former students with techniques that they learned in school.

It is not the fact that he took the class that is incriminating, it is the manner in which he answered the detective's questions about the class. He obviously did a great deal of research on the subject. He described techniques that went beyond what was taught in school, and he answered hypothetical questions in a way that seemed as if he were stating facts.

and in order to make a diagnosis, a psychiatrist has to meet with a patient. there is no way to be able to make a proper diagnosis of a person without being able to observe and ask questions to a person.

No one made a diagnosis. MDPD's Psychological Services outlined a profile of the type of person that would likely commit these types of crimes. The Detective states that he believed "young Mr. Weinman" fit the profile. No diagnosis, just an opinion.

if you look in the dsm-IV, the manual that psychologists use which lists the criteria for psychological disorders, there is no such thing as a sociopath. it is an obsolete term that sounds really really bad.

Actually, there is such a thing as a sociopath; you're arguing semantics. According to allpsych.com, antisocial personality disorder was previously known as both psychopathic and Sociopathic personality disorder. Same disorder, slightly different name.

And as far as him returning to the area, it does not say what time. if the time was good evidence for the state, they would not hesitate to add what time the second stop occurred.


I'll concede this, although there is always the possibility that it was merely an oversight.

also the place where they say he stops the second time is not the same as the first location and if you notice, it is further away from the residence than the previous stop.

Wait, what? He stopped twice in the same location - June 3 and June 6, at 9250 to 9298 SW 144 St. On June 6, he returned to the neighborhood (14000 to 14020 SW 92 Ave) and stopped for nearly nine minutes. Is that what you are referring to? If so, that location is even closer to the Akache residence (9241 SW 142 St), not further away as you claim. Oh, and a witness puts a car fitting the description of Weinman's car at that same location.

if you go on google earth and map out the locations, you will find that the shortest route from where weinman stops is approximately 1700 feet from the loctaion where the cat was found. So you believe in that 1 minute and 58 seconds (118 seconds), weinman traveled the 1700 feet from where his car was stopped, to the house, picked up a cat, and traveled the 1700 feet back to where his car was stopped?
if you believe this, then you believe that young mr weinman is faster than olympic athletes. if you do the math, young mr weinman would have been running more than half a mile at a 20 mile per hour sprint, if he spent 0 seconds picking up a cat.

No, the shortest route (9250 SW 144 St) from where Weinman stops is approximately 1188 feet from the Akache residence. The LONGEST route (9298 SW 144 St) is approximately 1700 feet. I am looking at a map of the area right now (Google Earth), and can see how the distance could be greatly reduced, just by taking a shortcut through residents' yards. By the way, all of this is assuming that the cat was picked up in the same place that it was dropped off. There's a possibility that the cat could have been picked up while it was out roaming, or caught in a trap that had been previously set out (which could explain Weinman's FIRST visit to the area).

the way criminal law works, anything that the state will use as evidence against a defendant is published in the form of a discovery. each and every discovery is made public. have you noticed how there has not been one teeny tiny test result as part of any discovery published by the prosecutor that further connects young mr weinman to any of these crimes. if there was hard evidence against this kid, there would be no hesitation to release it because like the cops and their creative writing to burn this kid in public opinion, the prosecutor only wants to do the same. this is how it has always worked. and if you think that they havent gotten the results back yet, its been more than 100 days since the arrest when the last of the evidence was collected. thats almost one third of a year. a test does not take that long.

Guess what? Florida's Sunshine Law has exemptions. From http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-21/the-evidence-yoursquore-not-allowed-to-see/2/ :

"Even when evidence has been made available to the defense, it will continue to be withheld from public view if disclosure might "jeopardize the safety of a... witness," including the defendant, or "impair the ability of a [prosecutor] to locate or prosecute a codefendant.""

Also - "...another broad-sweeping exception adopted by the Florida Supreme Court, which provides that evidence in criminal cases can be withheld from the public "to protect the defendant's Constitutional right to a fair trial.""

In essence, this means that almost every piece of evidence that proves a person's guilt need not be shared with the public prior to trial.

there is no strategical reason at this point for the prosecution to hide something from the public. the only thing they are hiding, is that they are wrong.

The "strategical reasons" for restricting public access to the evidence in this case is twofold: Weinman's safety and his right to a fair trial.

[Anya]

The LONGEST route (9298 SW 144 St) is approximately 1700 feet.

I checked again, and I made a mistake. It is approximately 1404 feet, not 1700.

[LiveLaughLuv]

Welcome to HFTM, Anya :howdy:

You will definately be an asset...interesting to see your take on it. You seem to know the ins and outs of this case.

Since this arrest, has there been anymore mutilations?

I know we haven't heard of any. :0009:

[Anya]

Hi, LiveLaughLuv, thank you for the welcome! :smile:

I've read just about everything I could get my hands on about this case from the beginning, because it disturbed me so much. Anyone that could inflict that much pain and horror on any defenseless creature just really burns me. :frown:

To answer your question - I've viewed the Palmetto Bay police incident reports from that period of time til present, and there have been no animal cruelty incidents reported since June 14. To my knowledge, there have been none reported in the media, either.

[Roamer]

Welcome, Anya! We have a whole lot of animal lovers here, and we're happy to add another. Check out our Animal Planet threads sometime.

Also, many missing people, and breaking news, crimes in the news threads.

[Anya]

Hi, Roamer, and thanks!

I see I have a lot to catch up on! I was checking out some of the other threads yesterday - there's plenty here to keep me busy for a long while. :basic45:

[sunstar]

Hi, LiveLaughLuv, thank you for the welcome! :smile:

I've read just about everything I could get my hands on about this case from the beginning, because it disturbed me so much. Anyone that could inflict that much pain and horror on any defenseless creature just really burns me. :frown:

To answer your question - I've viewed the Palmetto Bay police incident reports from that period of time til present, and there have been no animal cruelty incidents reported since June 14. To my knowledge, there have been none reported in the media, either.

Thanks so much for joining us and I'm glad you're following this case so closely! :love0081: I am especially interested in seeing justice ~ on behalf of my cats who are like children to me. It is very disturbing to me also that someone could get such pleasure from torturing innocent creatures who never harmed anybody. :madranting94dp: MOO

[LiveLaughLuv]

Hi, LiveLaughLuv, thank you for the welcome! :smile:

I've read just about everything I could get my hands on about this case from the beginning, because it disturbed me so much. Anyone that could inflict that much pain and horror on any defenseless creature just really burns me. :frown:

To answer your question - I've viewed the Palmetto Bay police incident reports from that period of time til present, and there have been no animal cruelty incidents reported since June 14. To my knowledge, there have been none reported in the media, either.

Thank you Anya for checking into police incident reports and find no other felines where mutilated. This boy is just a step away from being a serial killer, IMO. It starts with animals and when that doesn't get the excitment going anymore, they move on to humans...sad we have such evil people walking among us, but it is what it is...

I think all felines in that area are safe now...IMO

[Anya]

Thanks so much for joining us and I'm glad you're following this case so closely! :love0081: I am especially interested in seeing justice ~ on behalf of my cats who are like children to me. It is very disturbing to me also that someone could get such pleasure from torturing innocent creatures who never harmed anybody. :madranting94dp: MOO

Hi sunstar! :happy0207: I think a lot of us cat owners took this one personally (I know I did). But even if you're not a fan of cats, the fact that someone perpetrated such viciousness on another living creature, not just once but nineteen times, should send up a great big red flag. There is something very wrong with whoever did this, IMO.

BTW, Weinman is expected back in court today. I'm guessing that this is the pretrial hearing: http://cbs4.com/local/tyler.weinman.cat.2.1235271.html

Oct 8, 2009 8:35 am US/Eastern
Accused Palmetto Bay Cat Killer Back In Court
Tyler Weinman Is Charged With 19 Counts Of Animal Cruelty
MIAMI (CBS4) ― A south Miami-Dade teen accused of mutilating and killing 19 cats in Palmetto Bay and Cutler Bay is expected back in court Thursday.

Tyler Weinman, 18, is charged with 19 counts each of felony animal cruelty and improperly disposing of an animal body. He also faces four counts of burglary related to the cat deaths.


Hopefully we'll be getting more information soon.

[Roamer]

He needs to be put away for a long, long time (IMO). Off the streets and away from people and defenseless animals.

I'm a dog person, but I can't stand to see any animal hurt, tortured, or killed.

[sunstar]

Hi sunstar! :happy0207: I think a lot of us cat owners took this one personally (I know I did). But even if you're not a fan of cats, the fact that someone perpetrated such viciousness on another living creature, not just once but nineteen times, should send up a great big red flag. There is something very wrong with whoever did this, IMO.

BTW, Weinman is expected back in court today. I'm guessing that this is the pretrial hearing: http://cbs4.com/local/tyler.weinman.cat.2.1235271.html



Hopefully we'll be getting more information soon.

Yes, it's just especially hard for me since I have 5 beautiful indoor cats. But I'd still be upset if it were any other animals ~ they're all helpless and none deserve the torture these poor cats got from someone. And whoever is the the perp, these 19 crimes definitely show that humans could be next. There also could be many more that he's not charged with. I don't think it's any coincidence that the crimes have stopped since his arrest as I believe LE arrested the right person. MOO

[Anya]

Yes, it's just especially hard for me since I have 5 beautiful indoor cats. But I'd still be upset if it were any other animals ~ they're all helpless and none deserve the torture these poor cats got from someone. And whoever is the the perp, these 19 crimes definitely show that humans could be next. There also could be many more that he's not charged with. I don't think it's any coincidence that the crimes have stopped since his arrest as I believe LE arrested the right person. MOO

I absolutely agree with you, no living creature deserves what happened to those poor cats. Anyone who preys on the weak and defenseless is a sick coward IMO and deserves whatever they get. I also agree that there could be more that are not among the current charges. The whole thing is just very, very heartwrenching. :sad0119:

[awakening2lite]

State Case No.: 13-2009-CF-019761-0001-XX Name: WEINMAN, TYLER HAYES AKA (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:__doPostBack%28%27ctl00$cphPage$lnkAKA%27,%27 %27%29) Date of Birth: 01/14/1991 Date Filed: 06/15/2009 Date Closed: Warrant Type: Hearing Date: 11/10/2009 Hearing Time: 1000 Hearing Type: R Court Room: REGJB - JUSTICE BUILDING, ROOM No.: 4-3 Address: 1351 N.W. 12 ST



Special note: next court hearing is scheduled for 11/10 @ 10 am

[awakening2lite]

Welcome Anya! Thanks for bringing important factual information to us!

[sunstar]

State Case No.: 13-2009-CF-019761-0001-XX Name: WEINMAN, TYLER HAYES AKA (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:__doPostBack%28%27ctl00$cphPage$lnkAKA%27,%27 %27%29) Date of Birth: 01/14/1991 Date Filed: 06/15/2009 Date Closed: Warrant Type: Hearing Date: 11/10/2009 Hearing Time: 1000 Hearing Type: R Court Room: REGJB - JUSTICE BUILDING, ROOM No.: 4-3 Address: 1351 N.W. 12 ST



Special note: next court hearing is scheduled for 11/10 @ 10 am
Thanks so much for the update!

[awakening2lite]

Although a hearing is scheduled for tomorrow, it should be noted that a request for continuance was filed on 10.08 and was granted to STIP

I'm not certain there will be a hearing tomorrow, 11.10

On another note something else of interest in the filing was the number of filings amending the discovery and a witness was withdrawn.

Anyone have ideas about this?

TIA
Court Case No.: F-09-019761
(animal cruelty related charges)

Seq. No. Date Docket

316 10/30/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY

317 10/23/2009 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION

315 10/23/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY

314 10/16/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT/ADDT'L LIST OF WITNESSES

309 10/08/2009 ORDER: RETURN PROPERTY

306 10/08/2009 MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE FILED 10/08/2009 ORAL
SET FOR 10/08/2009 AT 11:58 GRANTED STIP

305 10/08/2009 REPORT RE: TRIAL DATE SET FOR 11/10/2009 AT 10:00

304 10/08/2009 REPORT RE: STATUS SET FOR 11/10/2009 AT 10:00

311 10/07/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT

307 10/05/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY

302 10/01/2009 NOTICE WITHDRAWAL OF WITNESS

301 09/30/2009 EVIDENCE SUBMIT DATE

300 09/28/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY

303 09/23/2009 ORDER: REGARDING MTN. TO COMPEL DISCOVERY AND INSPECTION OF EVIDENCE

298 09/23/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY

296 09/23/2009 MOTION FOR RETURN OF PROPERTY FILED 09/08/2009

http://www2.miami-dadeclerk.com/cjis/CaseSearch.aspx

[Anya]

According to this news article, the reason the 10-08 hearing was postponed was because lab tests were still pending on some of the items that were seized during the searches. I'm wondering if the amended discoveries that occurred after 10-08 were test results on the backpack, cutting tools, etc. I'm especially curious about results from the computers that were seized.

http://www.justnews.com/news/21239300/detail.html

As to the withdrawal of the witness, I have no clue. I wonder if the witness was for the prosecution or the defense?

[awakening2lite]

According to this news article, the reason the 10-08 hearing was postponed was because lab tests were still pending on some of the items that were seized during the searches. I'm wondering if the amended discoveries that occurred after 10-08 were test results on the backpack, cutting tools, etc. I'm especially curious about results from the computers that were seized.

http://www.justnews.com/news/21239300/detail.html

As to the withdrawal of the witness, I have no clue. I wonder if the witness was for the prosecution or the defense?

Thanks, Anya!

I wish the media would file under the Florida Sunshine Law and give us more details about discovery and witnesses.

[Anya]

It looks like there was a hearing today, but another status hearing is set for a month from now!

Dockets:

Seq. No. Date Docket
321 11/10/2009 REPORT RE: TRIAL DATE SET FOR 12/10/2009 AT 10:00
320 11/10/2009 REPORT RE: STATUS SET FOR 12/10/2009 AT 10:00

There have been no media reports of today's hearing (yet), none that I could find, anyway.

A2L, I wish they'd release more details, too. But I am thinking about those exceptions to the Sunshine Law... Due to the massive amount of pretrial publicity and public outrage that occurred in the beginning, perhaps the judge is trying to keep it quiet in order to ensure Weinman's safety and his right to a fair trial?

[Anya]

Just now found a media report:

http://www.justnews.com/news/21573117/detail.html

On Tuesday, the judge ruled that Weinman can travel to Orlando for the Thanksgiving holiday.

He also ruled that Weinman can leave his house to go to the gym.

[awakening2lite]

According to this news article, the reason the 10-08 hearing was postponed was because lab tests were still pending on some of the items that were seized during the searches. I'm wondering if the amended discoveries that occurred after 10-08 were test results on the backpack, cutting tools, etc. I'm especially curious about results from the computers that were seized.

http://www.justnews.com/news/21239300/detail.html

As to the withdrawal of the witness, I have no clue. I wonder if the witness was for the prosecution or the defense?

Thanks for the update about the hearing and the new trial date.

I don't see any motions for a gag order or motions from the media for a hearing to release information via the Sunshine Law. This leaves me assuming no effort has been made by the media to obtain additional information from any of the discovery.

Remember, the Sunshine Law provides information to those who seek it. It doesn't mean the information is open prior to a formal request and hearing.

[Anya]

Thanks for the update about the hearing and the new trial date.

I don't see any motions for a gag order or motions from the media for a hearing to release information via the Sunshine Law. This leaves me assuming no effort has been made by the media to obtain additional information from any of the discovery.

Remember, the Sunshine Law provides information to those who seek it. It doesn't mean the information is open prior to a formal request and hearing.

Thanks for that info! Any ideas as to why the media hasn't attempted to gain more information? Unless they consider it a "dead issue" by now...? Sorry for all the q's! :smile: TIA

[awakening2lite]

Thanks for that info! Any ideas as to why the media hasn't attempted to gain more information? Unless they consider it a "dead issue" by now...? Sorry for all the q's! :smile: TIA

You're forgiven, if you will forgive my assuming the media doesn't think the story is worth the legal fees to pursue it through the courts. If I am correct, it would mean the public simply has not generated enough interest to sell advertizing to support the space the story requires and the legal fees.

The helpless and vulnerable always take the back seat.

I wish we could change that and put them first.

My hope is for Weinmen (if found guilty) to serve a very stiff sentence and for that story to make headlines everywhere. Additionally, for that story to serve as both a warning and an inspiration to other municipalities where animal cruelty cases are heard.

[Anya]

You're forgiven, if you will forgive my assuming the media doesn't think the story is worth the legal fees to pursue it through the courts. If I am correct, it would mean the public simply has not generated enough interest to sell advertizing to support the space the story requires and the legal fees.

The helpless and vulnerable always take the back seat.

I wish we could change that and put them first.

My hope is for Weinmen (if found guilty) to serve a very stiff sentence and for that story to make headlines everywhere. Additionally, for that story to serve as both a warning and an inspiration to other municipalities where animal cruelty cases are heard.

Your explanation makes perfect sense. Thank you, A2L. :)

[awakening2lite]

Docket update for animal cruelty trial

Court Case No.: F-09-019761

Seq. No. Date Docket

334 11/18/2009 PRO SE MOTION FOR DISCOVERY SANCTIONS FRWD TO JUDGE

333 11/17/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT WITNESS LIST

332 11/17/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT

331 11/16/2009 CERTIFICATE OF NON-APPEARANCE OFFICER A. LLAMBES

330 11/16/2009 CERTIFICATE OF NON-APPEARANCE OFFICER D. KIDSON

329 11/16/2009 CERTIFICATE OF NON-APPEARANCE OFFICER P. CORONA

328 11/16/2009 CERTIFICATE OF NON-APPEARANCE OFFICER CASTINEIDA

327 11/16/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY

326 11/12/2009 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION

[Anya]

Another Update:

Seq. No. Date Docket

353 12/08/2009 MOTION FOR RULE TO SHOW CAUSE FILED 00/00/0000 SET FOR 12/10/2009 AT 13:30

352 12/08/2009 MOTION FOR SANCTIONS FILED 00/00/0000 SET FOR 12/10/2009 AT 13:30

350 12/07/2009 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION

349 12/07/2009 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION

348 12/04/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY

347 12/04/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT

346 12/04/2009 MOTION TO/FOR: RULE TO SHOW CAUSE

321 12/04/2009 REPORT RE: TRIAL DATE SET FOR 12/10/2009 AT 13:30

320 12/04/2009 REPORT RE: STATUS SET FOR 12/10/2009 AT 13:30

343 12/02/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY

342 12/02/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY

341 12/02/2009 AMENDED DISCOVERY

340 12/01/2009 SUBPOENA TAKING DEPOSITION

338 11/25/2009 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION

339 11/24/2009 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION

[sunstar]

thanks so much for the updates ~ so I'm reading there's another hearing tomorrow afternoon?

[Anya]

Hi Sunstar! Yes, it looks like there's another status hearing today. Hopefully we'll get some news updates later.

[TigressPen]

Good News For Accused Cat Killer
Judge Rules Tyler Weinman Can Leave South Florida

POSTED: Tuesday, November 10, 2009
UPDATED: 12:47 pm EST November 10, 2009



MIAMI -- The teenager accused of killing cats in his Miami-Dade neighborhood received good news from a judge on Tuesday.

Tyler Weinman, 18, remains on house arrest in his Palmetto Bay home.

Weinman is charged with killing and mutilating cats in Palmetto Bay and Cutler Bay.

On Tuesday, the judge ruled that Weinman can travel to Orlando for the Thanksgiving holiday.

He also ruled that Weinman can leave his house to go to the gym.



http://www.justnews.com/news/21573117/detail.html

[TigressPen]

Good News For Accused Cat Killer
Judge Rules Tyler Weinman Can Leave South Florida

POSTED: Tuesday, November 10, 2009
UPDATED: 12:47 pm EST November 10, 2009



MIAMI -- The teenager accused of killing cats in his Miami-Dade neighborhood received good news from a judge on Tuesday.

Tyler Weinman, 18, remains on house arrest in his Palmetto Bay home.

Weinman is charged with killing and mutilating cats in Palmetto Bay and Cutler Bay.

On Tuesday, the judge ruled that Weinman can travel to Orlando for the Thanksgiving holiday.

He also ruled that Weinman can leave his house to go to the gym.



http://www.justnews.com/news/21573117/detail.html



I was looking for an update on today's events and could've sworn date was Dec 10-- :(

Still looking.

[Roamer]

I think there was supposed to be some kind of hearing today, Tigress.

I so want this little thug to spend some serious jail time!

[awakening2lite]

Hearing has been reset for January 20, 2010
http://cbs4.com/local/tyler.weinman.cat.2.1361910.html


On the Docket ~ clerks office


Seq. No. Date Docket

355 12/10/2009 REPORT RE: STATUS SET FOR 01/20/2010 AT 10:00

352 12/09/2009 MOTION FOR SANCTIONS FILED 11/18/2009
SET FOR 12/10/2009 AT 15:44 DENIED

353 12/09/2009 MOTION FOR RULE TO SHOW CAUSE FILED 12/04/2009
SET FOR 12/10/2009 AT 15:44 RESERVE RULING

[TigressPen]

So do I, Roamer. I saw at the bottom of the forum page where he was to go to trial today. Surely TruTV is going to cover this one. CNN covered the event when it happened.

[TigressPen]

Hearing has been reset for January 20, 2010
http://cbs4.com/local/tyler.weinman.cat.2.1361910.html


On the Docket ~ clerks office


Seq. No. Date Docket

355 12/10/2009 REPORT RE: STATUS SET FOR 01/20/2010 AT 10:00

352 12/09/2009 MOTION FOR SANCTIONS FILED 11/18/2009
SET FOR 12/10/2009 AT 15:44 DENIED

353 12/09/2009 MOTION FOR RULE TO SHOW CAUSE FILED 12/04/2009
SET FOR 12/10/2009 AT 15:44 RESERVE RULING



Thanks Awakening!! :)

[awakening2lite]

Thanks Awakening!! :)


YW, Tigress. I am so glad to see you following this case.

It is sickening the number of sickos who prey on the helpless! I want to see this character, if found guilty, receive the maximum sentence allowed by law.

[TigressPen]

I think if an animal abuse case defendant deserves maximum sentence allowed by law, Wieman does. From all the articles I've read on it, I think he enjoyed performing the atrocious acts against these helpless cats. How many times have we heard and read that serial killers usually start out doing just this type crime.

[sunstar]

If Weinman is innocent that means the killer of these precious cats is still out there amongst society. So my question is how many feline murders of this horrific nature have taken place in the Miami-Dade area since Weinman was arrested? :0009: MOO

[awakening2lite]

Where is his alibi for each of the cat killings?

The cats he is accused of torturing and killing and then returning to their yard, were done in a particular way. So far, the other animals found killed (since his arrest) were not killed in the same way.

Freedom to express thoughts and opinions is also a right in the USA. None of us are saying we "know" he did it. We don't "know" he did it. We are following the process of the case. I and others carry the hope that if he is found guilty he will receive the maximum sentence.

I'm sorry all this is hard for you. There will be a trial and a verdict, soon.

All my own opinion.

[awakening2lite]

There is an order to seal:

9 06/15/2009 ORDER: TO SEAL
8 06/15/2009 MOTION TO/FOR: TO SEAL



This is why the media cannot petition the court for the release of documents.

Since then there have been a number of items of discovery filed and available to the defense.

On the initial indictment and/or arrest document outlines some of the dates relating incidents to the accused. So, the accused is aware of dates and times that an alibi would be appropriate.

reference: Dade County Clerk records

[awakening2lite]

The reports for this case doesnt bring up any of the other ones that happened during the same time. But according to owners of the other cats, they have come forward to news and papers and said that their cats were mutilated as well. They found their cats in their yards mutilated also. These are owners that are not any of the owners of the 19 that Weinman has been charged with. They were featured on Inside Edition even though they were not connected to the case at all. The reason the investigator believes they were taken away and brought back was because of the lack of blood if you read the affidavit. So does it make more sense for there to be two separate things killings cats in the same manner, on the same nights, on the same blocks? Or you think that Weinman happened to be prowling the same streets, on the same nights and "mutilating" cats in the same way that police decided was done by an animal?

And in order to build an alibi, the defense needs the information from the state, which there has been none provided.


Those owners are not anymore aware of the specific details of the torture and mutilation of the cats associated in the Weinman case, than we are.

[awakening2lite]

The owners spoke and dealt with the same police officers and when describing the state they found their animals, it is the same as the police when they describe the state of the animals found involved with the case.

That's not exactly the same as a comparison to the autopsy and examination performed by forensic professionals.
And that order to seal was on the first day of the case when the state would not release the arrest affidavit. The press had to bring their own case to court to unseal documents that would not be sealed under normal circumstances. All other parts of the discovery are available to the public. Several statements that Weinman allegedly said were released later in the form of discovery. The inventory of the search warrant was also released in the form of discovery. Those were in the papers and on the news. The state has not released any other significant information that the press could use, even though they are required to give what they have after 15 days from demand for discovery. Instead it has been more than 5 months without a peep from the state. There is an order on the case and the state does not release evidence to the media except by order of the court
And due to the vague investigating it is impossible to determine an alibi for every incident. Many of the owners, if you read the affidavit, don't know when they last saw their cat. Do you expect the defense to have an alibi for every minute of the day for the unknown amount of time prior to a cats disappearance? Lets say, if Sally does not know when her cat was last seen, but found it on Saturday morning, does the defense need an alibi from Saturday morning up until a week or 2 weeks prior? Surely there must have been a time when the animal was last seen. But the state did not provide that during their investigation, so the defense must take interviews of those witnesses before even being able to work on an alibi defense. Not exactly. There are three cases (ref to the arrest doc) where the owners last saw their cats at a specific time the night before finding them mutilated on their lawns.

[awakening2lite]

Here's a quick summary from the arrest doc of those with specific dates and times.

Name withheld: May 14th, another dead cat found. Last saw her cat alive on May 13, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Larzaro Mesa: May 14th, another dead cat found. Last saw his cat alive on May 13, 2009 at 7:00 am
Mr David: May 18th, another dead cat found. Last saw his cat alive on May 17th, 2009 at 8:00 pm.
Rola Akache: June 6, another dead cat found. Last saw her cat alive on June 5, 2--0 at 8:30 pm

[awakening2lite]

<snipped>The amount of money having to be raised for lawyers, bond, investigation, court fees, etc...



<snipped>

The State is paying the bill for his legal and investigative fees.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflorida/story/1200947.html

He filed

186 09/08/2009 ORDER: REDUCTION OF COST OF ELECTRONIC MONITORING DEVICE

172 08/13/2009 MOTION TO/FOR: DECLARE INDIGENT

ref: dade county clerk

[awakening2lite]

Did he refuse the public defender?

[awakening2lite]

Court Case No.: F-09-019761

Seq. No. Date Book/Page Docket
437 02/10/2010 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION RETURN
436 02/09/2010 LETTER FROM:- MICHAEL VON ZAMFT ASST STATE ATTY 2/4/10
435 02/09/2010 ADDITIONAL WITNESS LIST STATE
434 02/09/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY
433 02/09/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY
432 02/09/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY
430 02/09/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY
428 02/05/2010 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
427 02/03/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY
426 02/02/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY
425 02/02/2010 NOTICE OF UNAVAILABILITY OF COUNSEL DAVID W. MACEY, P.A.
424 02/02/2010 NOTICE OF UNAVAILABILITY OF COUNSEL DAVID W. MACEY, P.A.
422 02/02/2010 LETTER FROM:- VON ZAMFT ASST STATE ATTY 1/28/10
420 01/29/2010 NOTICE OF HEARING 2/19/10 8:30A.M. 2-5
419 01/29/2010 NOTICE OF HEARING 2/19/10 8:30A.M. 2-5
418 01/28/2010 ADDITIONAL WITNESS LIST STATE
417 01/28/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
415 01/28/2010 REPORT RE: MOTIONS SET FOR 02/19/2010 AT 09:00
414 01/27/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
412 01/27/2010 LETTER FROM:- MICHAEL VON ZAMFT, ASA 1/21/2010
411 01/27/2010 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION
410 01/25/2010 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
409 01/25/2010 REPORT RE: STATUS SET FOR 02/24/2010 AT 10:00
408 01/21/2010 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE DAVID M. FERNANDEZ, P.A. (CO-COUNSEL)
405 01/21/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY
404 01/21/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY
402 01/21/2010 NOTICE OF RECLASSIFICATION OF WITNESS
401 01/21/2010 MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER FILED 01/20/2010
SET FOR 01/21/2010 AT 09:00 DENIED
400 01/21/2010 WRITE-IN HEARING RECORDED ON 01/21/2010 AT 09:00
399 01/21/2010 MOTION FOR SANCTIONS FILED 01/20/2010
SET FOR 01/21/2010 AT 16:14 DENIED/GRANTED IN PART
398 01/21/2010 MOTION TO COMPEL FILED 01/20/2010
SET FOR 01/21/2010 AT 16:14 DENIED/GRANTED IN PART
407 01/20/2010 MOTION TO/FOR: SANCTIONS AND MOTION TO COMPEL
406 01/20/2010 MOTION TO/FOR: PROTECTIVE ORDER & REQUEST FOR JUDICIAL PRESENCE AT DEPOS
396 01/20/2010 ADDITIONAL WITNESS LIST BY STATE
395 01/20/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
388 01/15/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
387 01/15/2010 NOTICE OF WITHDRAWAL OF WITNESS
386 01/12/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
385 01/08/2010 DEPOSITION OF: DET. DARRELL RODRIGUEZ
384 01/08/2010 DEPOSITION OF: DET. E. ROMAN
383 01/08/2010 DEPOSITION OF: DET. ARMANDO BLANCO


http://www2.miami-dadeclerk.com/cjis/CaseSearch.aspx


I think this brings us up to date with the docket.

[awakening2lite]

update

Court Case No.: F-09-019761

Seq. No. Date Book/Page Docket

441 02/16/2010 REQUEST: TO PARTICIPATE TELEPHONICALLY

440 02/16/2010 MOTION TO/FOR: JAC RESP TO REQ FOR ADDI INDIGENT COSTS FOR TYLER HAYES WEIN
MAN

439 02/12/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY


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waiting for results from the hearing scheduled for this morning

[awakening2lite]

update

Court Case No.: F-09-019761

Seq. No. Date Book/Page Docket

445 02/22/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY
444 02/22/2010 REPORT RE: MOTIONS SET FOR 02/24/2010 AT 08:30
409 02/22/2010 REPORT RE: STATUS SET FOR 02/24/2010 AT 08:30
443 02/22/2010 MOTION FOR BILL OF PARTICULARS FILED 00/00/0000
SET FOR 02/24/2010 AT 08:30
446 02/19/2010 ORDER: MODIFY PTR COND.
442 02/19/2010 SUBPOENA


source: dade county clerk

[steve]

you forgot about the biggest update...
the results and lack of DNA evidence to connect Weinman to any of the cats. It seems as if the State Attorneys' case is crumbling beneath them. Like I said earlier, the State's case will soon be revealed to be something that resembles an old western movie set. A row of store fronts that appear to be operating business, when in fact they are just planks of wood supported only with twigs behind the scenes.

[steve]

http://cbs4.com/iteam/Cat.Killings.Tyler.2.1511981.html

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/02/cat_killer_suspect_tyler_weinm.php

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/02/23/1494648/no-human-dna-detected-on-slain.html

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/fl-miami-dade-cat-killings-20100223,0,486320.story

[annalyzer]

http://cbs4.com/iteam/Cat.Killings.Tyler.2.1511981.html

Investigators tested the carcasses of eleven cats -- paying close attention to the paws and mouths of the animals -- hoping the cats might have bit or scratched their killer.

But in each of the tests, DNA results were inconclusive or could not be found.

"What they were hoping to do was extract human DNA off the cats that were killed," Macey said. "Conceivably a human being that committed this crime would leave a drop of blood, a piece of hair, some skin from a cat scratch. [But they found] Nothing. Nothing. Despite all their best efforts."




Well someone murdered these cats but no dna was found from anyone. So whoever did it was careful enough to not leave evidence behind or incapacitated the cats to where they couldn't bite or scratch. If someone else's dna was found it'd be a different story but as is is they'll just have to go with the CE and other evidence they have against him in the case.

[awakening2lite]

you forgot about the biggest update...
the results and lack of DNA evidence to connect Weinman to any of the cats. It seems as if the State Attorneys' case is crumbling beneath them. Like I said earlier, the State's case will soon be revealed to be something that resembles an old western movie set. A row of store fronts that appear to be operating business, when in fact they are just planks of wood supported only with twigs behind the scenes.

This makes it a circumstantial case and not a cased based on DNA. Contrary to popular television, cases are more often made on circumstantial evidence. imo

[steve]

If the state had other evidence that supported their case they would have came forward with it by now. If they had a slam dunk, they would release what they have before releasing information that hurts their case. Also these tests were completed months ago but the state is just now receiving them? Something about that seems fishy.

Also remember that the defense has also not responded to the original allegations, the case may collapse after both sides have been heard.
In arresting Weinman last June, police detectives said they had attached an electronic tracking device to his car that placed him in the immediate area of one killing reported June 6.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/fl-miami-dade-cat-killings-20100223,0,486320.story
Its not very hard to explain driving through a certain neighborhood. The detectives are hyped up about having some kind of misleading evidence. Out of 19 cats, Weinman drives past one location and this makes him suspicious? In my opinion it almost completely exonerates him. Why is there not a pattern of the teen driving back and forth between more locations?

[awakening2lite]

If the state had other evidence that supported their case they would have came forward with it by now. If they had a slam dunk, they would release what they have before releasing information that hurts their case. Also these tests were completed months ago but the state is just now receiving them? Something about that seems fishy.

Also remember that the defense has also not responded to the original allegations, the case may collapse after both sides have been heard.

Its not very hard to explain driving through a certain neighborhood. The detectives are hyped up about having some kind of misleading evidence. Out of 19 cats, Weinman drives past one location and this makes him suspicious? In my opinion it almost completely exonerates him. Why is there not a pattern of the teen driving back and forth between more locations?

I can't count the many times the question of why dna takes so much time to provide results. We read about it all the time.

Information released is first entered as evidence, then provided to the defense, and then the media must petition the court for its release. The State doesn't "release" information on its own accord.

It seems we do not have all the information on the tracking device. Perhaps it was only used during a short period of time.

I doubt this case will come down to one single piece of evidence but will, like most cases, be determined by the whole of the evidence.

IMO

[steve]

well right now, the "whole of the evidence" is weak and extremely circumstantial. not to mention no DNA evidence linking weinman to any cats. and the DNA results were dated June, July and September. That means DNA testing was completed in month 1, 2 and 4 of this case, but not given to the defense until month 9, in February. Also the tracking device puts him only in the area of one of the killings the whole time it is on. The night that they first use is June 3rd and on that night it actually places him somewhere that is in a completely different area from where a cat is found on the morning of June 3rd. In the affidavit the detective says weinman is tracked to a different neighborhood and does not say that he is anywhere near the killing that occurred the same night. And after not being tracked near a crime scene, on June 3, he was also not tracked to another 4 scenes before his arrest.

[awakening2lite]

well right now, the "whole of the evidence" is weak and extremely circumstantial. not to mention no DNA evidence linking weinman to any cats. and the DNA results were dated June, July and September. That means DNA testing was completed in month 1, 2 and 4 of this case, but not given to the defense until month 9, in February. Also the tracking device puts him only in the area of one of the killings the whole time it is on. The night that they first use is June 3rd and on that night it actually places him somewhere that is in a completely different area from where a cat is found on the morning of June 3rd. In the affidavit the detective says weinman is tracked to a different neighborhood and does not say that he is anywhere near the killing that occurred the same night. And after not being tracked near a crime scene, on June 3, he was also not tracked to another 4 scenes before his arrest.


You mean this? Note the highlighted portion. It clearly shows him in the neighborhood - going home - returning to the neighborhood. Page 9 of the warrant. Ms Akache reported last seeing her cat at 8:30 pm on June 5. She discovered her mutilated cat approx 11:30 am on the morning of the 6th. Police arrived at her residence June 6 - see page 8

EXCERPT from arrest doc ~ post #4
http://static.cbslocal.com/station/w...anWarrant..pdf (http://static.cbslocal.com/station/wfor/files/WeinmanWarrant..pdf)


http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg21/awakening2lite/Wienman%20-%20cat%20killer/WeinmancatkillerAkachecat.jpg (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg21/awakening2lite/Wienman%20-%20cat%20killer/WeinmancatkillerAkachecat.jpg)



It sure does look like he was very close by on June 3.

As I said before, it seems common for the defense to complain and attempt to make suspect the length of time for dna testing. There are so many cases in which they have done this that I am almost tempted to believe it is standard practice for them.

[steve]

On page 3 off the affidavit, it says that on June 3 an animal was found at 16255 sw 89 court. However, on the night of June 3rd, Weinman was tracked in another neighborhood at 9250 sw 144 street (see page 8). This is almost 2 miles from where an animal was found the next morning. If Weinman is almost 2 miles away from where a cat is found, there is no way that they have any probable cause to charge him for that crime on that night. In my opinion, that places Weinman miles from the cat that night, so if he was not near any cat that night, he could not have committed the crime on the night of June 3rd, and possibly the night of June 6th where he was tracked to the same innocent location.

[awakening2lite]

On page 3 off the affidavit, it says that on June 3 an animal was found at 16255 sw 89 court. However, on the night of June 3rd, Weinman was tracked in another neighborhood at 9250 sw 144 street (see page 8). This is almost 2 miles from where an animal was found the next morning. If Weinman is almost 2 miles away from where a cat is found, there is no way that they have any probable cause to charge him for that crime on that night. In my opinion, that places Weinman miles from the cat that night, so if he was not near any cat that night, he could not have committed the crime on the night of June 3rd, and possibly the night of June 6th where he was tracked to the same innocent location.

I notice the report does not reveal every tracking event during the time the device was attached to Weinman's vehicle. Isn't it possible we will hear those details either in court or when the media wins the right to publish it?

I'm willing to wait.

[steve]

Sure they do not reveal every tracking event. But if there was a time on the 3rd connecting weinman to another crime scene, they wouldn't waste their time talking about being in another neighborhood that night, they would point out his presence suspiciously near another scene. How ever, in my opinion any and all suspicious gps events were referred to in the affidavit, as it is the police trying to say they believe there is a case. The lack of any further gps reports in the affidavit points to those other "tracking events" not existing. The GPS itself is misleading in the affidavit as they don't include times on the second stop. Everything is written for a reason, and things are also not written for the reason that not everything helps their case. Leaving out these times is most likely not an error.

[awakening2lite]

Sure they do not reveal every tracking event. But if there was a time on the 3rd connecting weinman to another crime scene, they wouldn't waste their time talking about being in another neighborhood that night, they would point out his presence suspiciously near another scene. How ever, in my opinion any and all suspicious gps events were referred to in the affidavit, as it is the police trying to say they believe there is a case. The lack of any further gps reports in the affidavit points to those other "tracking events" not existing. The GPS itself is misleading in the affidavit as they don't include times on the second stop. Everything is written for a reason, and things are also not written for the reason that not everything helps their case. Leaving out these times is most likely not an error.

Arrest affidavits don't contain every piece of evidence, they only contain what is required to make an arrest. Evidence is proven in court.

I almost missed this:

EXCERPT ~ http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/02/23/1494648/no-human-dna-detected-on-slain.html

2.23.10

The negative results mean there still is no forensic evidence linking accused cat killer Tyler Weinman, 19, to the grisly mutilations.

However, the state is still awaiting results from lab tests being conducted on scalpels, clothes and other items seized in Weinman's car and house.


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[annalyzer]

I haven't read back but does anyone know what led LE to this man Weinman?

[awakening2lite]

I haven't read back but does anyone know what led LE to this man Weinman?

Anna, it is rather lengthy to post all of it. Check out the arrest warrant outlining why they began to suspect Weinman. See page 4 and 5 here:
http://static.cbslocal.com/station/wfor/files/WeinmanWarrant..pdf


As a summary, there was a stake out of the neighborhood and he was stoped walking the neighborhood at 2 am (a 1/2 mile from his residence). When questioned he laughed. Later an anonymous called tips off LE to look further into Weinman.

Following that incident, Weinman was observed many times in the neighborhood where the cat were mutilated after midnight. Then when stoped for running a stop sign the LE found a cutting tool in his car. He was taken in for questioning. He had prominent scratches on his neck. The report is that it looked like a cat scratch. Weinman said they were from a cat. He told LE he had them on his back also. He told LE that the cats he skined in school bio class made a "certain sound". When LE interviewed the instructor she told them there is no sound. LE described Weinman as becoming excited describing the "sound" of the tearing of the skin.

He made a statement the cats would need to be either tranquilized or poisoned.

Following the interview the cat killing shifted north of that neighborhood. His father restricted him from the car and while residing at his fathers 8 more cats were killed in that area.

Profilers on the case described a person like Weinman.

After the interview a tracking device was placed on his car.

See more at link.

The above is paraphrased.

ETA One witness described a car like Weinmans making a u-turn close to and at about the the same time one of the cats was found.

[awakening2lite]

Anyone know what is going on with the B & E cases?

[annalyzer]

Thanks A2L.

[awakening2lite]

Thanks A2L. yvw


docket update

Court Case No.: F-09-019761

Seq. No. Date Book/Page Docket

451 02/24/2010 REPORT RE: MOTIONS SET FOR 03/24/2010 AT 10:00
450 02/24/2010 REPORT RE: STATUS SET FOR 03/24/2010 AT 10:00
449 02/24/2010 MOTION FOR BILL OF PARTICULARS FILED 00/00/0000
SET FOR 03/24/2010 AT 10:00

448 02/23/2010 MOTION TO/FOR: 2ND FOR BILL OF PARTICULARS, W/INCORP. MEMORANDUM OF LAW
447 02/23/2010 NOTICE OF HEARING 2/22/10 8:30 AM RM 2-5


source: Dade county clerk

[Roamer]

http://www.justnews.com/news/22658125/detail.html

Cat Killing Suspect Can Attend College Orientation

Tyler Weinman Plans To Classes Online


POSTED: Wednesday, February 24, 2010
UPDATED: 3:30 pm EST February 24, 2010



(http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/#)WPLG-Local 10




MIAMI, Fla. -- A southwest Miami-Dade teenager accused of killing several cats will be allowed to attend an orientation session at Miami-Dade College.



A judge in Miami ruled Wednesday that Tyler Weinman can leave his home, where he is on house arrest, to attend the orientation.


Weinman plans to take the classes online but must attend the orientation session in person to sign up.


Weinman is accused of killing and mutilating at least 19 cats in Palmetto Bay and Cutler Bay in 2009.

[awakening2lite]

update

Court Case No.: F-09-019761

Seq. No. Date Book/Page Docket

463 03/01/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
462 03/01/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
461 03/01/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
460 03/01/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
459 03/01/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
458 03/01/2010 NOTICE OF WITHDRAWAL OF WITNESS
457 03/01/2010 LETTER FROM:- MICHAEL VON ZAMFT ASST STATE ATTY 2/25/10
456 02/24/2010 ORDER: MODIFY COND.OF PRE-TRIAL RELEASE
455 02/24/2010 ORDER: PRODUCTION OF EVIDENCE
454 02/24/2010 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION


source: dade county clerk

[steve]

Arrest affidavits don't contain every piece of evidence, they only contain what is required to make an arrest. Evidence is proven in court.

I almost missed this:

EXCERPT ~ http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/02/23/1494648/no-human-dna-detected-on-slain.html

2.23.10

The negative results mean there still is no forensic evidence linking accused cat killer Tyler Weinman, 19, to the grisly mutilations.

However, the state is still awaiting results from lab tests being conducted on scalpels, clothes and other items seized in Weinman's car and house.


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You're right about the affidavits not having every single piece of evidence. However, that is not my point and I think you know this. The tracking information provided on June 3rd, places Weinman in a different neighborhood than where a cat was found hours later on the 3rd. With the extremely circumstantial evidence that they are trying to use to begin with, if they had 2 nights placing him by a scene, they would not hesitate to include that information. However, when the tracking information comes out, I strongly believe that there is no more information that is positive and is probably even detrimental to the state's case. You seem to be somewhat intelligent as some of your posts sound like it, but lately, I think that your posts are becoming more and more prejudicial. This is not the American way. There have been laws in place since this country's founding to remind the populations to not condemn persons until an entire case has been heard. With state's case holding less and even less water, I believe that one must begin to look at the case as a whole instead of condemning a person just because of the information fed to the media while there was a lynch mob who wanted nothing but a warm body to hold up.



The results that showed no link between Weinman and any of the cats were dated June, July and September. The state did not turn them over until late February. There is case law that says when the police or the crime labs have the results, that it is in the possession of the state. In that sense, this evidence that failed to link Weinman to anything, has been in the states possession for more than 6 months. And in my opinion, I find it extremely hard to believe that the crime lab did not pick up the phone and tip off the state's attorney that their evidence did not turn up as they had hoped. So the real question is, how long ago were all of the tests completed? Because I also believe that the state would not have released the evidence that killed them in the press, until they released something connecting Weinman, to make the negative evidence seem irrelevant. I believe when the state decides to release the remaining results, they will also be post dated as all other things so far have been completed months before their release.


Weinman has asked to be able to go to school. There should be no question. He is awaiting trial and is presumed to be innocent. He is showing good faith to try and move his life along. If he felt like he was screwed, I think Weinman would have other things on his mind. Most people awaiting trial are allowed to do everything they are allowed to do prior to an arrest. However, it is sickening that this young man has been confined to his home without question for almost 9 months now with no new evidence having been presented.

[awakening2lite]

You're right about the affidavits not having every single piece of evidence. However, that is not my point and I think you know this. The tracking information provided on June 3rd, places Weinman in a different neighborhood than where a cat was found hours later on the 3rd. With the extremely circumstantial evidence that they are trying to use to begin with, if they had 2 nights placing him by a scene, they would not hesitate to include that information.

The dates have been previously discussed up thread. I prefer not to assume anything not presented in the docs.

However, when the tracking information comes out, I strongly believe that there is no more information that is positive and is probably even detrimental to the state's case. You seem to be somewhat intelligent as some of your posts sound like it, but lately, I think that your posts are becoming more and more prejudicial. This is not the American way. There have been laws in place since this country's founding to remind the populations to not condemn persons until an entire case has been heard. With state's case holding less and even less water, I believe that one must begin to look at the case as a whole instead of condemning a person just because of the information fed to the media while there was a lynch mob who wanted nothing but a warm body to hold up.Interesting thoughts. I thought this would be a good time to clear up the "innocent until proven guilty" theory.

Reference: http://www.answers.com/topic/presumption-of-innocence

Law Encyclopedia: (http://www.answers.com/library/Law%20Encyclopedia-cid-1069556) Presumption of Innocence


A principle that requires the government to prove the guilt of a criminal defendant and relieves the defendant of any burden to prove his or her innocence.


The presumption of innocence, an ancient tenet of criminal law, is actually a misnomer. According to the U.S. Supreme Court, the presumption of the innocence of a criminal defendant is best described as an assumption (http://www.answers.com/topic/assumption) of innocence that is indulged in the absence of contrary evidence (http://www.answers.com/topic/evidence) (Taylor v. Kentucky, 436 U.S. 478, 98 S. Ct. 1930, 56 L. Ed. 2d 468 [1978]). It is not considered evidence of the defendant's innocence, and it does not require that a mandatory inference favorable to the defendant be drawn from any facts in evidence.


In practice the presumption of innocence is animated by the requirement that the government prove the charges against the defendant beyond a reasonable doubt. This due process requirement, a fundamental tenet of criminal law, is contained in statutes and judicial opinions. The requirement that a person suspected of a crime be presumed innocent also is mandated in statutes and court opinions. The two principles go together, but they can be separated.


The Supreme Court has ruled that, under some circumstances, a court should issue jury (http://www.answers.com/topic/jury) instructions on the presumption of innocence in addition to instructions (http://www.answers.com/topic/instruction) on the requirement of proof (http://www.answers.com/topic/proof) beyond a reasonable doubt (Taylor v. Kentucky). A presumption of innocence instruction may be required if the jury is in danger of convicting the defendant on the basis of extraneous considerations rather than the facts of the case.


The presumption of innocence principle supports the practice of releasing criminal defendants from jail prior to trial. However, the government may detain some criminal defendants without bail (http://www.answers.com/topic/bail) through the end of trial. The Eighth Amendment (http://www.answers.com/topic/amendment-viii-to-the-u-s-constitution) to the U.S. Constitution states that excessive bail shall not be required, but it is widely accepted that governments have the right to detain through trial a defendant of a serious crime who is a flight risk or poses a danger to the public. In such cases the presumption of innocence is largely theoretical.


Aside from the related requirement of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the presumption of innocence is largely symbolic. The reality is that no defendant would face trial unless somebody — the crime victim, the prosecutor, a police officer — believed that the defendant was guilty (http://www.answers.com/topic/guilty) of a crime. After the government has presented enough evidence to constitute probable cause (http://www.answers.com/topic/probable-cause) to believe that the defendant has committed a crime, the accused need not be treated as if he or she was innocent of a crime, and the defendant may be jailed with the approval of the court.


Nevertheless, the presumption of innocence is essential to the criminal process. The mere mention of the phrase presumed innocent keeps judges and juries focused on the ultimate issue at hand in a criminal case: whether the prosecution has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant committed the alleged acts. The people of the United States have rejected the alternative to a presumption of innocence — a presumption of guilt — as being inquisitorial and contrary to the principles of a free society.

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My comment: As per the resource, the jury is charged with presuming the defendant innocent until it is proven otherwise. This does not apply to public opinion, however, journalist and others are cautioned to use the words: alleged, defendant, accused, and so forth to not condemn the individual prior to a finding of guilt. We do the same here. You will not find any claim of known guilt of Weinman here.

I also strongly disagree with your remark of "lynch mob mentality". It would be against the best interests of the residents and owners of the beloved pets to mindlessly seek to apprehend just anyone. I don't find anything to stand up to that classification of the community. Perhaps you have a link?



The results that showed no link between Weinman and any of the cats The report on the results of dna testing was a lack of any human dna on the cats. Results of dna testing of the tools is still pending.

were dated June, July and September. The state did not turn them over until late February. There is case law that says when the police or the crime labs have the results, that it is in the possession of the state. In that sense, this evidence that failed to link Weinman to anything, has been in the states possession for more than 6 months. The judge asked the state why the reports from the labs took so long and the prosecutor (see thread on hearings) said he did not know (or words to that effect). I am sure we will learn what caused the delay.

And in my opinion, I find it extremely hard to believe that the crime lab did not pick up the phone and tip off the state's attorney that their evidence did not turn up as they had hoped. So the real question is, how long ago were all of the tests completed? Because I also believe that the state would not have released the evidence that killed them in the press, until they released something connecting Weinman, to make the negative evidence seem irrelevant. I believe when the state decides to release the remaining results, they will also be post dated as all other things so far have been completed months before their release.I think you are making a presumption. And as previously discussed the state does not release data to the media. Data is proven to be evidence in the courtroom.


Weinman has asked to be able to go to school. There should be no question. He is awaiting trial and is presumed to be innocent. He is showing good faith to try and move his life along. If he felt like he was screwed, I think Weinman would have other things on his mind. Most people awaiting trial are allowed to do everything they are allowed to do prior to an arrest. However, it is sickening that this young man has been confined to his home without question for almost 9 months now with no new evidence having been presented.Some might say the guilty are well served to give the appearance of innocence while awaiting trial.

[sunstar]

(respectfully snipped to address this issue)

I also strongly disagree with your remark of "lynch mob mentality". It would be against the best interests of the residents and owners of the beloved pets to mindlessly seek to apprehend just anyone. I don't find anything to stand up to that classification of the community. Perhaps you have a link?




You're absolutely right. It isn't in the DA's or any pet owners best interest to wrongfully accuse & arrest someone just to get a conviction. Besides just being completely wrong to do so, it doesn't stop the senseless killing of these innocent animals.

I noticed in an article upthread that Tyler is going to be taking college classes online. I wonder what he's signed up for? Just curious. MOO

[awakening2lite]

Docket update

Court Case No.: F-09-019761

Seq. No. Date Book/Page Docket

481 03/11/2010 CERTIFICATE OF NON-APPEARANCE STEPHANIE HAGAN

480 03/11/2010 CERTIFICATE OF NON-APPEARANCE K. AUSTIN

479 03/11/2010 CERTIFICATE OF NON-APPEARANCE ANDREW MOYER

478 03/11/2010 CERTIFICATE OF NON-APPEARANCE DEBBIE ROTOLANTE

477 03/11/2010 CERTIFICATE OF NON-APPEARANCE ANDREW MOYER

476 03/11/2010 DEPOSITION OF: DET. DEIDRE BEECHER

475 03/11/2010 DEPOSITION OF: DET. VICTOR MONTALVO

474 03/11/2010 DEPOSITION OF: DET. JAMES BARRETT

473 03/11/2010 DEPOSITION OF: LIEUTENANT JEFFREY TRUITT

472 03/11/2010 DEPOSITION OF: TELEPHONIC DEPOSITION OF PAUL WESINGER

471 03/11/2010 DEPOSITION OF: BEVERLY COSTACAMPS

470 03/11/2010 DEPOSITION OF: MARGARITA FERNANDEZ

469 03/10/2010 WITNESS LIST CORRECTION OF WITNESS ADDRESS

468 03/10/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT

467 03/10/2010 WITNESS LIST (CORRECTION OF WITNESS ADDRESS) MICHAEL VON ZAMFT ASST STATE
ATTY

466 03/10/2010 AMENDED DISCOVERY EXHIBIT



source: Dade County Clerk

[Roamer]

So yesterday was mostly depositions. I certainly hope they lead to his conviction!

[awakening2lite]

So yesterday was mostly depositions. I certainly hope they lead to his conviction!


Hi Roamer! I really really wish we could read them!

[awakening2lite]

updates


Court Case No.: F-09-019761

Seq. No. Date Book/Page Docket

484 03/17/2010 REPORT RE: NEW INFORMATION SET FOR 03/31/2010 AT 09:00

483 03/17/2010 ARRAIGNMENT HEARING SCHEDULED FOR 03/31/2010 AT 09:00

482 03/17/2010 AMENDED INFORMATION FILED

481 03/11/2010 CERTIFICATE OF NON-APPEARANCE STEPHANIE HAGAN



source: Dade County Clerk

[sunstar]

Thanks so much for the updates on the court proceedings, a2l!

Amended discovery exhibits, amended information, depositions, etc....sure seems to be a lot for the state having "no evidence". :waitasec: