Michael Jackson #3

[Trailblazer]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/08/michael-jackson-drugs-dr-arnold-klein-death/

Jackson Family Gave LAPD Doctor List

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ Michael Jackson's family has given the LAPD a list of doctors they believe may have misprescribed drugs to Michael Jackson -- and we've learned Dr. Arnold Klein is on that list.

Dr. Klein came out swinging today on TV, denying he ever prescribed powerful painkillers to Jackson. But the family has its suspicions and passed its concerns along to detectives.

[F~M]

Well, I was in the minority here with the whole custody thing. I was on the fence thinking maybe Debbie Rowe was feeling maternal since MJ died and was thinking maybe she should get the kids.

I've changed my mind. I do believe the kids need to stay where they are, with MJ's family.. and they definitely do NOT need to be seperated.

Paris is a strong girl.. and she's probably been like the "little mother" to MJ and the boys all these years. I expect to see good things come with these kids. I think MJ instilled some good values into the kids before his death.

[annalyzer]

Well, I was in the minority here with the whole custody thing. I was on the fence thinking maybe Debbie Rowe was feeling maternal since MJ died and was thinking maybe she should get the kids.

I've changed my mind. I do believe the kids need to stay where they are, with MJ's family.. and they definitely do NOT need to be seperated.

Paris is a strong girl.. and she's probably been like the "little mother" to MJ and the boys all these years. I expect to see good things come with these kids. I think MJ instilled some good values into the kids before his death.


ITA though I think she could (and should) ask for and receive visitation rights.

[SavannahStar]

ITA though I think she could (and should) ask for and receive visitation rights.

Why now though? Do you think it would be sincere on her part? After all these years? And what would it mean to those kids (again: now, after all these years)?

I'm not getting any warm fuzzies about Debbie Rowe. Not one bit. :mad:

But I could literally FEEL the love yesterday amongst the Jackson family and those children.

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[annalyzer]

Why now though? Do you think it would be sincere on her part? After all these years? And what would it mean to those kids (again: now, after all these years)?

I'm not getting any warm fuzzies about Debbie Rowe. Not one bit. :mad:

But I could literally FEEL the love yesterday amongst the Jackson family and those children.

:1222423:


I've read that she will be seeking custody. I don't think she should receive custody. But if she wants to be a part of her children's life now that Michael is gone she should ask for visitation rights. imo

[Firehead]

I've read that she will be seeking custody. I don't think she should receive custody. But if she wants to be a part of her children's life now that Michael is gone she should ask for visitation rights. imo

She could ask but I certainly hope she doesn't. These children will be scared and cinfused enough for a period of time. With all the stories floating around, they will need to find themselves before that have to deal with DR's actions of wanting more and more money. They need to be hugged and loved by people who honestly love them. I believe that they do not know DR enough to want to be hugged by her or consoled as of now.

[Ann]

Well, I was in the minority here with the whole custody thing. I was on the fence thinking maybe Debbie Rowe was feeling maternal since MJ died and was thinking maybe she should get the kids.

I've changed my mind. I do believe the kids need to stay where they are, with MJ's family.. and they definitely do NOT need to be seperated.

Paris is a strong girl.. and she's probably been like the "little mother" to MJ and the boys all these years. I expect to see good things come with these kids. I think MJ instilled some good values into the kids before his death.

I think she is entitled to visitation if she wants it. It could also hurt the kids if they feel she doesn't care about them.

It's still unclear why Michael made it difficult for her to see them. It was said somewhere that the rumor is that Michael recently dismissed Grace because he thought the kids were getting closer to her than him. So who knows? Maybe he just didn't want to share them with anyone.

I do think that part of the negative opinion about DR is because of her looks.

[F~M]

I've read that she will be seeking custody. I don't think she should receive custody. But if she wants to be a part of her children's life now that Michael is gone she should ask for visitation rights. imo


I agree, Anna.

I have a hard time writing her off completely. I'm hoping, that maybe she feels motherly with MJ being out of the picture. I personally wouldn't bear 2 children and give them away as a business deal. That's basically what she did. But, those children were raised by MJ, until his death, and I think he treasured them. Those kids know a love that so many other kids will never know.

After thinking about things, I don't feel like DR has the patience to raise those children.. and I wouldn't want to see them split either.

[SavannahStar]

I think she is entitled to visitation if she wants it. It could also hurt the kids if they feel she doesn't care about them.

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My gosh, what...12/11 years have gone by already! You think they don't already have feelings she doesn't care about them? And do you honestly think if she shows up now, all "motherly," after MJ's death, they will believe she truly cares about them? :lex_10:

[F~M]

My gosh, what...12/11 years have gone by already! You think they don't already have feelings she doesn't care about them? And do you honestly think if she shows up now, all "motherly," after MJ's death, they will believe she truly cares about them? :lex_10:

So, in other words.. since she's been a bad mother to them the first 11/12 years of their lives, she should just continue being a bad mother?

Is it really that black and white?

People mature and change. Feelings change. Life's circumstances change.

I believe in second chances.

[SavannahStar]

So, in other words.. since she's been a bad mother to them the first 11/12 years of their lives, she should just continue being a bad mother?

Is it really that black and white?

People mature and change. Feelings change. Life's circumstances change.

I believe in second chances.

Oh sure people mature and change, and feelings change. But it does not happen overnight. And this is certainly a case where it would seem like it happened (if it did) overnight. MJ dies, and poof, DR feels all motherly. I don't buy it. Too little, too late.

I've only seen one quote of hers: "I want my children."

I haven't read "I love my babies so desperately, I have to have them" or "they are my children and I love them more than anything" or "I want to be with them, I was wrong all these years, I've missed so much, how can I ever make it up" or "I feel so bad for not being a part of their life for so long" etc., etc.

[Firehead]

So, in other words.. since she's been a bad mother to them the first 11/12 years of their lives, she should just continue being a bad mother?

Is it really that black and white?

People mature and change. Feelings change. Life's circumstances change.

I believe in second chances.

Does she want to be a part of their lives because of love for the children or love of money? I would always have to question that. But that is me, skeptical at best.

[Ann]

I guMy gosh, what...12/11 years have gone by already! You think they don't already have feelings she doesn't care about them? And do you honestly think if she shows up now, all "motherly," after MJ's death, they will believe she truly cares about them? :lex_10:I really don't think any of us knows what really went on there and that includes the very opinionated TH's like Nancy Grace.

I do know that DR said in every interview with her that I've seen DR says she did it because she loved Michael. She said many times how much she loved him and wanted to do it for him. I've never seen anywhere that he publicly said he loved her. You do have to wonder why he married her. Was that just to give a false impression?

As far as the Jackson's providing a stable home goes, you also need to wonder why he named Diana Ross as back up guardian instead of another member of his vast family. Tragedy IMO can unite a family for a short period, but after a while everyone goes back to business as usual in my experience.

[Ann]

So, in other words.. since she's been a bad mother to them the first 11/12 years of their lives, she should just continue being a bad mother?

Is it really that black and white?

People mature and change. Feelings change. Life's circumstances change.

I believe in second chances.

I don't see anything wrong with Katherine having custody and Debbie having liberal visiting rights. If she just wants to reconnect with them and make sure they are doing okay, it seems to me that's the way to do it.

[F~M]

I don't see anything wrong with Katherine having custody and Debbie having liberal visiting rights. If she just wants to reconnect with them and make sure they are doing okay, it seems to me that's the way to do it.


I agree, Ann.

[Emmjay]

In following this story I find myself in two minds about Debbie Rowe. I've posted elsewhere that I believe these "big stories" are meant to make us pay attention and learn some "lesson." I am reminded of the Mary Beth Whitehead case, years ago, in which she was first vilified for agreeing to be a surrogate mother...then vilified anew when she didn't feel able to give her child up!!!
There was much talk about "fulfilling contracts" etc., but very little about the emotional impact.

Being a surrogate mother has often been seen as a generous and selfless act, but I haven't read anything about that aspect in this case. I'm left wondering if it's wrong to "sell" a child, why isn't it wrong to buy one? This is in no way a comment on whether or not non-biological children can be dearly loved and cherished, by the way. I don't think we know enough about the arrangement between MJ and DR...nor should we, imo. However, they were married and cash settlements are par for the course in divorces, as are parents with sole custody.

Anyway, it seems to me that DR is getting much the same treatment as MBW did. Progress.......?

[SavannahStar]

In following this story I find myself in two minds about Debbie Rowe. I've posted elsewhere that I believe these "big stories" are meant to make us pay attention and learn some "lesson." I am reminded of the Mary Beth Whitehead case, years ago, in which she was first vilified for agreeing to be a surrogate mother...then vilified anew when she didn't feel able to give her child up!!!
There was much talk about "fulfilling contracts" etc., but very little about the emotional impact.

Being a surrogate mother has often been seen as a generous and selfless act, but I haven't read anything about that aspect in this case. I'm left wondering if it's wrong to "sell" a child, why isn't it wrong to buy one? This is in no way a comment on whether or not non-biological children can be dearly loved and cherished, by the way. I don't think we know enough about the arrangement between MJ and DR...nor should we, imo. However, they were married and cash settlements are par for the course in divorces, as are parents with sole custody.

Anyway, it seems to me that DR is getting much the same treatment as MBW did. Progress.......?

Gosh I remember that case so well. I wasn't living in FL at the time, but my parents were, and MBW's parents lived very close.

You give me a lot to think about. Can't comment right now though...

[F~M]

In following this story I find myself in two minds about Debbie Rowe. I've posted elsewhere that I believe these "big stories" are meant to make us pay attention and learn some "lesson." I am reminded of the Mary Beth Whitehead case, years ago, in which she was first vilified for agreeing to be a surrogate mother...then vilified anew when she didn't feel able to give her child up!!!
There was much talk about "fulfilling contracts" etc., but very little about the emotional impact.

Being a surrogate mother has often been seen as a generous and selfless act, but I haven't read anything about that aspect in this case. I'm left wondering if it's wrong to "sell" a child, why isn't it wrong to buy one? This is in no way a comment on whether or not non-biological children can be dearly loved and cherished, by the way. I don't think we know enough about the arrangement between MJ and DR...nor should we, imo. However, they were married and cash settlements are par for the course in divorces, as are parents with sole custody.

Anyway, it seems to me that DR is getting much the same treatment as MBW did. Progress.......?

Great post.

[Emmjay]

Gosh I remember that case so well. I wasn't living in FL at the time, but my parents were, and MBW's parents lived very close.

You give me a lot to think about. Can't comment right now though...

I'm finding lots to think about as the MJ story unfolds! The MBW "connection" is only one of the "points to ponder." Children in show business, the celebrity being blamed for the sensationalism of the media, on and on. I think maybe we miss out on the lessons to be learned if we only view this story (and others) in the narrow context. jmo

[Sioux_Girl]

I have a friend who has been a surrogate 3 times now. She did it to help the people and for no other reason. She didnt get millions for doing it nor did she want it. She just wanted to give people a baby of there own.

Its ok saying she did it because she wanted to help him. If that was the case she wouldnt have wanted the millions of pounds that she got for doing it ... at the end of the day IMO it was a business deal - he wanted children and she carried and sold them. At that point..her rights as a mother should have been over

JMO

[Trailblazer]

I always wondered why if Michael wanted children, that he didn't donate his own sperm to create these babies...

But then I also always wondered why he didn't have an intimate relationship with a woman to create a baby...

[Sioux_Girl]

I always wondered why if Michael wanted children, that he didn't donate his own sperm to create these babies...

But then I also always wondered why he didn't have an intimate relationship with a woman to create a baby...

Maybe he couldnt father children?

[Trailblazer]

Maybe he couldnt father children?

Good point...never thought of that

[annalyzer]

I have a friend who has been a surrogate 3 times now. She did it to help the people and for no other reason. She didnt get millions for doing it nor did she want it. She just wanted to give people a baby of there own.

Its ok saying she did it because she wanted to help him. If that was the case she wouldnt have wanted the millions of pounds that she got for doing it ... at the end of the day IMO it was a business deal - he wanted children and she carried and sold them. At that point..her rights as a mother should have been over

JMO

MJ married her though. One could say the money she received was a divorce settlement.

[Sioux_Girl]

Good point...never thought of that

I also think..he hated himself..or his looks..and i kinda wonder if its because of his seemingly dislike of his dad that he didnt want a child of his own because it would have his dads dna ( If that makes sense)

[Trailblazer]

I also think..he hated himself..or his looks..and i kinda wonder if its because of his seemingly dislike of his dad that he didnt want a child of his own because it would have his dads dna ( If that makes sense)

Yeah I understand...I thought of that too

[Sioux_Girl]

MJ married her though. One could say the money she received was a divorce settlement.

It would depend what was written in the supposed contract about it. I saw an interview the day with her..where she said she kept to her side of the agreement ( and had the kids and gave them over) and he has broken his side. Well duh he died thats hardly his fault.

Thing is..i read that she went for custoday a couple of years or so ago..and reportedly got offered more money and dropped it. Well IMO if she really wanted the kids and not the money...she would have refused the money and gone for the kids back then...not now

[SavannahStar]

Well IMO if she really wanted the kids and not the money...she would have refused the money and gone for the kids back then...not now

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Well that's really the bottom line, to me.

[Sioux_Girl]

Something i dont understand is Debbies rep or whatever he is said she had been invited to the service but she declined it cos she didnt the attention but she then watched the service outside. Wouldnt that give her even more attention? In the dark auditorium no one would have known she was there probably so i kinda wonder was she really even offered a seat? It sounds surprising they would when she said she was going to go for custody and get a restraining order out against Joe.

[sunstar]

Hi everyone! I didn't get to watch the memorial 'live', so spent last night watching it online and then it was also repeated on msnbc. It was very beautifully done and I too thought of Caylee when Usher sang "Gone too Soon". The most touching moment though was Paris saying what a wonderful dad she had. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

All three children are absolutely beautiful and I just pray no one separates them. It's also obvious after watching that they are close to Michael's family ~ where they belong.


So, what's sad tonight is I'm watching Nancy Grace and she's talking about "sources" who gave out information about MJ being emaciated, full of needle marks and bald. Please, let him rest in peace. MOO

[Trailblazer]

Dr. Arnie Klein on LKL right now

[sunstar]

Dr. Arnie Klein on LKL right now

I saw clips of his "GMA" appearance on JVM's "Issues" earlier and let me just say, I don't think there's any way he's the oldest children's bio-dad as some have rumored. The kids are way too good looking! :smile: MOO

[Sioux_Girl]

Hi everyone! I didn't get to watch the memorial 'live', so spent last night watching it online and then it was also repeated on msnbc. It was very beautifully done and I too thought of Caylee when Usher sang "Gone too Soon". The most touching moment though was Paris saying what a wonderful dad she had. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

All three children are absolutely beautiful and I just pray no one separates them. It's also obvious after watching that they are close to Michael's family ~ where they belong.


So, what's sad tonight is I'm watching Nancy Grace and she's talking about "sources" who gave out information about MJ being emaciated, full of needle marks and bald. Please, let him rest in peace. MOO


IF thats true what she is saying..then the autopsy report from the Sun was correct...UNLESS the Sun is her source i guess.

[Sioux_Girl]

I saw clips of his "GMA" appearance on JVM's "Issues" earlier and let me just say, I don't think there's any way he's the oldest children's bio-dad as some have rumored. The kids are way too good looking! :smile: MOO

Yea but on that basis..are you sure Debbie is there mother?:71526:

[Sioux_Girl]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/88257/JACKO-KIDS-IN-UK-GIGS-/

9th July 2009 By Nigel Pauley Your Shout ( 0 )
BRIT Shaheen Jafargholi is to live his dream by starring in a massive London tribute concert to Michael Jackson next month.


Promoters are planning to stage Jacko’s This Is It show on August 29, which would have been the King Of Pop’s 51st birthday.

If, as expected, the gig is a huge success it will be repeated in London and around the world.

And Jacko himself will also perform at the O2 Arena from beyond the grave. An amazing life-like hologram will be used to make him appear on stage.

Britain’s Got Talent finalist Shaheen, 12, who wowed billions of fans at Jacko’s LA memorial on Tuesday, will once again take centre stage.

He will follow his show-stopping performance of Who’s Loving You? by taking on the role of the young Jacko.

The late star’s brothers, led by Jermaine, 54, and sisters Janet, 43, and La Toya, 53, will also appear on stage at the venue where Jacko was due to start his This Is It gigs on Monday.

His three children Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and Blanket, seven, will also attend the show in his honour.

The trio may even take to the stage for the show’s grand finale, as they did at the Jacko tribute show.

Sources claim the gig will feature the dancers lined up to appear with Jacko, plus footage of his rehearsals.

As the Daily Star revealed last week there is more than 100 hours of footage of his preparations for his gigs.

Shaheen is likely to sing a medley of Jackson 5 songs such as Who’s Lovin’ You?, Rockin’ Robin and I’ll Be There.

Randy Phillips, the O2 Arena gigs’ promoter, is behind the tribute, which will help AEG recoup some of the £50million they’ve lost in ticket sales.

He said: “The world needs to see this production. It would have been, which is the tragedy here, one of the most amazing shows ever, so at some point we want the world to see that.

“The world needs to see this production and I would imagine it could be done as a tribute with the family, with the brothers performing, some sisters, and the stars that were influenced by him.

“We are discussing with the family so the sooner, the better.”

Whatever happens, Welsh schoolboy Shaheen is well on the road to fame after his show-stopping performance.

Motown Records founder Berry Gordy, admitted he had “no cotton pickin’ idea” who Shaheen was... but added: “I’d sign him tomorrow”.

Jacko became a fan of Shaheen after seeing his BGT audition on YouTube, and had asked for the youngster to support him at the O2 Arena.

Shaheen said yesterday: “I am a grieving fan and I love Michael Jackson, his music touched me. I got to say goodbye and pay my respects in a way that no other person could.

“This month I could have been preparing to be on that stage. They told me he was going to pass the torch on to me as the next generation.”

And now he looks set to live his dream in the tribute to Jacko.

Yesterday BGT boss Simon Cowell, 49, said of Shaheen’s performance: “He did brilliantly.” His fellow judge Amanda Holden, 38, added: “He did us and himself proud!”

Tuesday night’s memorial was the most-watched prime-time UK show with nearly 8million tuning in.

BBC2 attracted 5.2m, Five 1.4m and Sky News 1.2m – the channel’s biggest ratings since the first day of the Iraq War in 2003.

Meanwhile, there was a huge 20% surge in internet traffic across the globe.

[sunstar]

Yea but on that basis..are you sure Debbie is there mother?:71526:

No I'm not!! Actually somebody at work today made the comment about if DR is Prince & Paris' mother then the kids obviously inherited the stronger genes from MJ's family. :girl_haha:

[Sioux_Girl]

No I'm not!! Actually somebody at work today made the comment about if DR is Prince & Paris' mother then the kids obviously inherited the stronger genes from MJ's family. :girl_haha:

Well..that would depend if hes the biological father of the children - which apparently he isnt or so the media has been saying at least.

[sunstar]

IF thats true what she is saying..then the autopsy report from the Sun was correct...UNLESS the Sun is her source i guess.

I'm totally confused where she's getting her information. JVM was talking about the same thing on "Issues" tonight (right before Nancy's show). I can believe the needle marks and scars since we know the diprivan was found in the house and several have said he had the "travelling anesthesiologist" with him on tour in the '90s. But the other stuff just seems unnecessary to even talk about now. Let him rest. What's more important right now is the children's custody and the final autopsy report, and dealing with the doctors. :blondblush113268230 MOO

[sunstar]

Well..that would depend if hes the biological father of the children - which apparently he isnt or so the media has been saying at least.

In a few interviews I thought he said he was, but at any rate, he's their father on the birth certificates ~ and in their hearts. :smile:

[Sioux_Girl]

In a few interviews I thought he said he was, but at any rate, he's their father on the birth certificates ~ and in their hearts. :smile:

Oh i agree in all the ways that matters he was the childrens father..all i meant is if hes not biologically the father they didnt get the looks from him.

[Sioux_Girl]

I'm totally confused where she's getting her information. JVM was talking about the same thing on "Issues" tonight (right before Nancy's show). I can believe the needle marks and scars since we know the diprivan was found in the house and several have said he had the "travelling anesthesiologist" with him on tour in the '90s. But the other stuff just seems unnecessary to even talk about now. Let him rest. What's more important right now is the children's custody and the final autopsy report, and dealing with the doctors. :blondblush113268230 MOO

We dont have any programmes here like Nancy Grace ( for which im thankful lol) but with her it seems the more outrageous the story the more she likes it.

[sunstar]

Oh i agree in all the ways that matters he was the childrens father..all i meant is if hes not biologically the father they didnt get the looks from him.

Oh I know what you meant! I just can't keep all the reports straight and I tend to believe him more than others who just want a story. :smile:

[Ann]

I thought Larry King's interview with Dr. Klein was very informative especially about Michael's lupus and how it affected his skin and hair. I think it debunked a lot of stories about Michael trying to be white. Klein said Michael had two options in dealing with his skin discoloration which was either wearing heavy makeup or bleaching his skin. Michael opted for bleaching. I've met black people with lupus that was affecting their skin.

Here's a video from the Lupus Foundation. The video shows a black woman with lupus, so if you've never see it, it shows what it can look like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIabco_hl9c&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Elupus%2Eorg%2Fnewsite%2Fpa ges%2Flupus%2Dtarget%2Dawareness%2Ehtml&feature=player_embedded

[sunstar]

Thanks so much, Ann ~ it's very informative! :INhouseReading04:

[Ann]

IMO Klein all but admitted he's the bio dad. He thought Debbie Rowe may have told people that.

If that is true, it may be that Michael was concerned about his children inheriting his diseases (just a thought).

From everything I've heard from the legal experts it really doesn't matter. Michael is still the legal dad.

[Pandabear]

Ann, thank you so much for sharing that video! My skin problems and hair loss were the first things that alerted my doctor that he should test me for Lupus. I had many of the "warning" signs, and had been tested for many other diseases before, but it wasn't until he did a skin biopsy that he was able to confirm that Lupus was the cause of my many health problems.

I wonder also if Michael might have been worried that his condition would be passed down to his children had he chosen to father the children himself. My Dad was never "officially" diagnosed with the disease, but knowing what I know now, I have no doubt that he suffered from Lupus that went undiagnosed during his lifetime.

[Taterwassie]

I believe Debbie and Michael made a "pact", if you will. I think she said she had known Michael since she was 18 years old. She wanted to carry these children and give birth to them for Michael.....I believe he wanted to help her start her own life. Thus the "settlement" he gave her. With the money, she bought her ranch and started her own horse farm.....what she always wanted. Michael had his 2 children and took Debbie's advice on some things. I believe she is the one who asked him to "veil" the babies whenever he took them out. As a precaution. If the children were always hidden when they were with Michael....people couldn't really relate them to him. Then, they could have a little freedom going out without Michael and without the veils. These are some, IMO, very touching photos here of them all together:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/michael_jackson/390944/The-astonishing-Michael-Jackson-family-pictures-that-could-blow-custody-battle-apart.html

I do hope Debbie at least gets ample visitation rights for all 3 of these children. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Sioux_Girl]

I believe Debbie and Michael made a "pact", if you will. I think she said she had known Michael since she was 18 years old. She wanted to carry these children and give birth to them for Michael.....I believe he wanted to help her start her own life. Thus the "settlement" he gave her. With the money, she bought her ranch and started her own horse farm.....what she always wanted. Michael had his 2 children and took Debbie's advice on some things. I believe she is the one who asked him to "veil" the babies whenever he took them out. As a precaution. If the children were always hidden when they were with Michael....people couldn't really relate them to him. Then, they could have a little freedom going out without Michael and without the veils. These are some, IMO, very touching photos here of them all together:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/michael_jackson/390944/The-astonishing-Michael-Jackson-family-pictures-that-could-blow-custody-battle-apart.html

I do hope Debbie at least gets ample visitation rights for all 3 of these children. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Why should she get ample visiting time for Blanket? He was nothing to do with her.

As for why they wore veils Debbie said it was because they received threats when the two children were small. The thing is he was ridiculed for years for doing this...then it turns out it wasnt even HIS idea.

[LiveLaughLuv]

Guard: Jackson Had
Secret Girlfriend
Fiddes: Jackson given drugs by bad
doctors
Updated: Thursday, 02 Jul 2009, 1:53 PM CDT
Published : Thursday, 02 Jul 2009, 1:32 PM CDT

By LILY FU
(MYFOX NATIONAL) - One of Michael Jackson's bodyguards says that Jackson had a secret girlfriend and an addiction to drugs that were supplied by crooked doctors.

In an exclusive interview with Sky News , Jackson's UK bodyguard, Matt Fiddes, said that he had met Jackson's girlfriend several times and that she was very close to the pop star.

"I'm not going to name who she is, but I think the family were aware that there was someone special in his life who he loved and adored and had his ups and downs with," Fiddes said.

"I don't know how long they've been a couple. I know she's been with him for some time in different capacities but ... it's up to her if she wants it to come out or the family to speak about this very private information."

Fiddes also revealed that Jackson was being given drugs by swindling doctors who routinely charged fans $20,000 to meet Jackson. Fiddes said he and Jackson's friend Uri Geller tried to throw away needles and keep him away from the doctors, but their efforts were in vain.

Guard: Jackson Had
Secret Girlfriend
Fiddes: Jackson given drugs by bad
doctors
Updated: Thursday, 02 Jul 2009, 1:53 PM CDT
Published : Thursday, 02 Jul 2009, 1:32 PM CDT

By LILY FU
(MYFOX NATIONAL) - One of Michael Jackson's bodyguards says that Jackson had a secret girlfriend and an addiction to drugs that were supplied by crooked doctors.

In an exclusive interview with Sky News , Jackson's UK bodyguard, Matt Fiddes, said that he had met Jackson's girlfriend several times and that she was very close to the pop star.

"I'm not going to name who she is, but I think the family were aware that there was someone special in his life who he loved and adored and had his ups and downs with," Fiddes said.

"I don't know how long they've been a couple. I know she's been with him for some time in different capacities but ... it's up to her if she wants it to come out or the family to speak about this very private information."

Fiddes also revealed that Jackson was being given drugs by swindling doctors who routinely charged fans $20,000 to meet Jackson. Fiddes said he and Jackson's friend Uri Geller tried to throw away needles and keep him away from the doctors, but their efforts were in vain.

"I never witnessed him actually taking drugs but I knew they were there and I confiscated packages, and Uri did too," Fiddes said."And Uri confiscated injection equipment from his room...Uri would scream at Michael, you know, intensely, to stop doing this but we were getting pushed out...The doctor had such an influence over Michael that we felt our efforts were falling on deaf ears."

The Drug Enforcement Agency has joined the investigation of Jackson's death to help police examine the doctors and possible drugs used by the pop star.

Fiddes added that he never believed any of the child abuse allegations against Jackson, saying, "We never doubted Michael, we knew he was innocent right from the start and what the real reason was, as far as we were concerned, was financially motivated."
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/entertainment/celebrity_news/dpgo_michael_jackson_secret_girlfriend_lwf_070209_ 2632815

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JACKSON'S 'SECRET WIFE' FILES NEW SUIT IN LOS ANGELES
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The woman who claimed she was the biological mother of MICHAEL JACKSON's three children has filed suit in Los Angeles Superior Court demanding the late star's estate.

Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson, who has claimed to be Jackson's secret wife, filed for a legal separation from the King of Pop in December (08) and prior to that went public with claims she carried the pop star's children, Paris, Prince Michael and Prince Michael II, to term - and called Jacko's official ex, Debbie Rowe, an impostor.

The London-based woman, who has described herself as "a black Jew born in Britain," also went to court in 2006 in a bid to lay claim to Jackson's Neverland Ranch, child support payments and shared custody of the pop star's three children.

Nona Jackson claimed she's known Jackson since he was a teenager, and that she's written over 3,000 songs for him.

The lawsuit was thrown out in 2006 and rejected again in 2007, but the case wasn't dismissed completely - Nona Jackson was told to make a better presentation of her evidence.

Following Jackson's death last week (25Jun09), Nona Jackson posted a heartfelt message online, stating, "I have become a widow, I have paid ultimately for loving Michael Jackson but it is all I have to give him, the gift of eternity. He had to be loved even once in this lifetime and I have done that. I too, can die in peace some day." She signed off as "Michael Jackson's wife, Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson." In her latest suit, she's demanding all of Jackson's property, insisting, "All my husband's properties, monies and assets must be transferred to me immediately," ruling, "My husband's body must be returned to the coroner's body or the mortuary immediately."http://www.pr-inside.com/jackson-s-secret-wife-files-new-suit-r1359538.htm

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Good grief. They're crawling out of the woodwork. :shock:

Let the poor man rest in peace.

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Good grief. They're crawling out of the woodwork. :shock:

This woman Nona has filed many lawsuits, dismissed w/o merrit..IMO, she is one craaaaazy gal...

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Guard: Jackson Had
Secret Girlfriend
Fiddes: Jackson given drugs by bad
doctors
Updated: Thursday, 02 Jul 2009, 1:53 PM CDT
Published : Thursday, 02 Jul 2009, 1:32 PM CDT

By LILY FU
(MYFOX NATIONAL) - One of Michael Jackson's bodyguards says that Jackson had a secret girlfriend and an addiction to drugs that were supplied by crooked doctors.

In an exclusive interview with Sky News , Jackson's UK bodyguard, Matt Fiddes, said that he had met Jackson's girlfriend several times and that she was very close to the pop star.

"I'm not going to name who she is, but I think the family were aware that there was someone special in his life who he loved and adored and had his ups and downs with," Fiddes said.

"I don't know how long they've been a couple. I know she's been with him for some time in different capacities but ... it's up to her if she wants it to come out or the family to speak about this very private information."

Fiddes also revealed that Jackson was being given drugs by swindling doctors who routinely charged fans $20,000 to meet Jackson. Fiddes said he and Jackson's friend Uri Geller tried to throw away needles and keep him away from the doctors, but their efforts were in vain.

Guard: Jackson Had
Secret Girlfriend
Fiddes: Jackson given drugs by bad
doctors
Updated: Thursday, 02 Jul 2009, 1:53 PM CDT
Published : Thursday, 02 Jul 2009, 1:32 PM CDT

By LILY FU
(MYFOX NATIONAL) - One of Michael Jackson's bodyguards says that Jackson had a secret girlfriend and an addiction to drugs that were supplied by crooked doctors.

In an exclusive interview with Sky News , Jackson's UK bodyguard, Matt Fiddes, said that he had met Jackson's girlfriend several times and that she was very close to the pop star.

"I'm not going to name who she is, but I think the family were aware that there was someone special in his life who he loved and adored and had his ups and downs with," Fiddes said.

"I don't know how long they've been a couple. I know she's been with him for some time in different capacities but ... it's up to her if she wants it to come out or the family to speak about this very private information."

Fiddes also revealed that Jackson was being given drugs by swindling doctors who routinely charged fans $20,000 to meet Jackson. Fiddes said he and Jackson's friend Uri Geller tried to throw away needles and keep him away from the doctors, but their efforts were in vain.

"I never witnessed him actually taking drugs but I knew they were there and I confiscated packages, and Uri did too," Fiddes said."And Uri confiscated injection equipment from his room...Uri would scream at Michael, you know, intensely, to stop doing this but we were getting pushed out...The doctor had such an influence over Michael that we felt our efforts were falling on deaf ears."

The Drug Enforcement Agency has joined the investigation of Jackson's death to help police examine the doctors and possible drugs used by the pop star.

Fiddes added that he never believed any of the child abuse allegations against Jackson, saying, "We never doubted Michael, we knew he was innocent right from the start and what the real reason was, as far as we were concerned, was financially motivated."
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/entertainment/celebrity_news/dpgo_michael_jackson_secret_girlfriend_lwf_070209_ 2632815

I actually posted that last week. Its been reported the gf was Grace the nanny. As with anything else thats been reported I have no idea how true it is though.

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whereabouts of Michael Jackson's body remain a mystery amid speculation his family have been arguing over his final resting place.


Golden coffin was brought to the Staples Centre for the memorial


A private cemetery in Los Angeles and the Neverland ranch are among the locations suggested as places where the King of Pop could be buried.

But the Jackson family has not revealed what happened to his body after it left the Staples Centre following a public memorial for the star.

Jermaine Jackson has said he wants his brother's final resting place to be at Neverland but permission would be required from local authorities.

However, Jackson's mother Katherine does not want her son's ashes or body anywhere near the ranch where he used to live, according to RadarOnline.com.

The pop legend's gold-plated coffin took centre stage at the memorial, where stars including Mariah Carey, Stevie Wonder and Usher performed as a tribute.



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A private funeral was held for family members at Forest Lawn in Hollywood Hills before the public event.

But it is still unclear whether Jackson will be buried among the other celebrities, such as Humphrey Bogart, Sammy Davis Jr and Jean Harlow, interred at the cemetery.

Speculation is also continuing over the reason for Jackson's death after a certificate released on the day of the memorial did not give a cause.

Investigators are focusing on the role medication may have played, with the results of toxicology tests expected in around four weeks.

The powerful sedative Diprivan was found at the singer's rented mansion in LA, law enforcement officials have said


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The video appears to show a silhouette crossing a corridor at Michael Jackson's former home at Neverland Ranch. At the time no one noticed the shadow while the news channel CNN were filming "Inside Neverland", which featured an interview with Larry King and Jermaine Jackson
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25739494-5012980,00.html

Watch closely, you can see a dark figure, looks like MJ with his famous hat...

I do believe in spirits, I also believe if the soul is not at rest or dies tragically, or has unfinished business, there is the spirit that lingers in limbo...until someone can get them to cross over...JMHO

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http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/Sioux_girl/Prince-Michael-Jackson-II-and-Paris.jpg

http://showbiz.sky.com/mariahs-jacko-apology

I so hope those kids arent seperated :(

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Michael Jackson memorial: BBC receives 473 complaints
The BBC has received 473 complaints about its coverage of the Michael Jackson funeral and memorial service.

By Urmee Khan, Digital and Media Correspondent
Published: 7:07PM BST 08 Jul 2009


The BBC admitted that 91 of the calls were specifically about the 'excessive' coverage Photo: AP Viewers contacted the broadcaster to express unhappiness at the way the BBC dedicated two channels to the ceremony in Los Angeles.

The BBC admitted that 91 of the calls were specifically about the "excessive" coverage, 47 complained about the scheduling changes and many expressed concerns about tone of the reporting.


Michael Jackson memorial service: daughter Paris pays tearful tributeOne complainant said: "I feel very strongly that the BBC should have exercised some sort of editorial restraint and cut back on the coverage of Michael Jackson's farcical memorial service.

"I tuned into BBC Two to watch a previously scheduled programme and found instead tabloid nonsense that has no place on the channel. This sort of over blown coverage I expect from Sky news but not the BBC."

Another said: "The saturation coverage of this by the BBC was a complete farce" and accused the corporation of pandering to a "younger" demographic.

The BBC News channel and the international BBC World News outlet screened the memorial with coverage fronted by Rajesh Mirchandani.

However, BBC Two also cleared its early evening schedule to broadcast live from the memorial from the Staples Centre.

The programme peaked at 4.5m viewers with a 20 per cent share of the audience watching in that time slot.

Trevor Nelson, the Radio 1 DJ introduced the coverage from London, while the BBC's high definition channel also broadcasted the proceedings.

The BBC said that audiences for the television bulletins were up and BBC online saw more than 8.2m global unique users, the second highest since President Barack Obama's election.

A spokesman said: "BBC Two is showing this important entertainment event, giving viewers the opportunity to enjoy performances from contributing artists as they celebrate one of pop music's most influential artists. It's appropriate that viewers are able to watch this event on a mainstream BBC channel available to both digital and terrestrial viewers".

"The majority of those calls, 302, was about the commentary on the programme. With such an emotive event people will always have a reaction about the tone and style of the programme."

Last week, the BBC received 748 complaints over its 'wall-to-wall' coverage of the death of the singer.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5779369/Michael-Jackson-memorial-BBC-receives-473-complaints.html


This is seriously dumb. Its probably the only decent programme thats been on BBC1 in years. Im just surprised anyone even watches that channel.

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Bah im sorry for spamming but i thought this was an awesome interview

My trip to Neverland, and the call from Michael Jackson I'll never forget, by Paul Theroux
After the eminent American writer was given a rare tour of Michael Jackson's fabled ranch, the singer telephoned him in the early hours for a chat. Here, Paul Theroux recalls an unguarded conversation that touched on fame, childhood and Biblical betrayal.

Paul Theroux
Published: 11:22PM BST 27 Jun 2009

An aerial view of the Neverland Ranch in Santa Ynez. Photo: EPA Lost legend: Michael Jackson Photo: REUTERS
I heard the news today, oh boy, that Michael Jackson had a heart attack – and died of cardiac arrest, at the age of 50, in Los Angeles. I am reminded of a long conversation I had with him at four o'clock one morning, and of my visit to Neverland. The visit came first, the conversation a few weeks later, on the phone.

Neverland, a toytown wilderness of carnival rides and doll houses and zoo animals and pleasure gardens, lay inside a magnificent gateway on a side road in a rural area beyond Santa Barbara. Nosing around, I saw pinned to the wall of the sentry post an array of strange faces, some of them mugshots, all of them undesirables, with names and captions such as "Believes she is married to Mr Jackson" and "Might be armed" and "Has been loitering near gate".


Michael Jackson is dead: prisoners to recreate dance tributeA road lined with life-sized bronzed statuary – skipping boys, gamboling animals – led past an artificial lake and a narrow-gauge railway to Michael's house. Neverland occupied an entire 3,000-acre valley, yet very little of it was devoted to human habitation – just the main house with its dark shingles and mullioned windows, and a three-bedroom guesthouse. The rest was given over to a railway terminus, Katharine Station, named after Jackson's mother, a formidable security headquarters, various funhouses, a cinema (with windowed bedrooms instead of balcony seats), and almost indefinable sites, one with teepees like an Indian camp.

And sprawling over many acres, the Jackson zoo of bad-tempered animals. The giraffes were understandably skittish. In another enclosure, rocking on its thick legs, was Gypsy, a moody five-ton elephant, which Elizabeth Taylor had given as a present to Michael. The elephant seemed to be afflicted with the rage of heightened musth. "Don't go anywhere near him," the keeper warned me.

In the reptile house, with its frisbee-shaped frogs and fat pythons, both a cobra and a rattlesnake had smashed their fangs against the glass of their cage trying to bite me. The llamas spat at me, as llamas do, but even in the ape sanctuary, "AJ", a big bristly, shovel-mouthed chimp, had spat in my face, and Patrick the orang-utan had tried to twist my hand. "And don't go anywhere near him, either."

In the wider part of the valley, the empty fairground rides were active – twinkling, musical – but empty: Sea Dragon, the Neverland Dodgem cars, the Neverland carrousel playing Michael's own song, Childhood ("Has anyone seen my childhood?…"). Even the lawns and flower beds were playing music; loudspeakers disguised as big, grey rocks buzzed with showtunes, filling the valley with unstoppable Muzak that drowned the chirping of wild birds. In the middle of it, a Jumbotron, its screen the size of a drive-in movie, showed a cartoon, two crazy-faced creatures quacking miserably at each other – all of this very bright in the cloudless California dusk, not a soul watching.

Later that day, I boarded a helicopter with Elizabeth Taylor – I was at Neverland interviewing her – and flew over the valley. It says something for Miss Taylor's much-criticised voice that I could hear her clearly over the helicopter noise. Girlish, imploring, piercing, the loud yack-yack-yack of the titanium rotor blades, she clutched her dog, a Maltese named Sugar, and screamed: "Paul, tell the pilot to go around in a circle, so we can see the whole ranch!"

Even without my relaying the message – even with his ears muffled by headphones – her voice knifed through to the pilot. He lifted us high enough into the peach-coloured sunset so that Neverland seemed even more toy-like.

"That's the gazebo, where Larry [Fortensky, her seventh husband] and I tied the knot," Elizabeth said, moving her head in an ironising wobble. Sugar blinked through prettily-combed white bangs which somewhat resembled Elizabeth's own white hair. "Isn't the railway station darling? Over there is where Michael and I have picnics," and she indicated a clump of woods on a cliff. "Can we go around one more time?"

Neverland Valley revolved slowly beneath us, the shadows lengthening from the pinky-gold glow slipping from the sky.

Even though no rain had fallen for months, the acres of lawns watered by underground sprinklers were deep green. Here and there, like toy soldiers, uniformed security people patrolled on foot, or on golf carts; some stood sentry duty – for Neverland was also a fortress.

"What's that railway station for?" I asked.

"The sick children."

"And all those rides?"

"The sick children."

"Look at all those tents…" Hidden in the woods, it was my first glimpse at the collection of tall teepees.

"The Indian village. The sick children love that place."

From this height, I could see that this valley of laboriously recaptured childhood pleasure was crammed with more statuary than I'd seen from ground level. Lining the gravel roads and the golf-cart paths were little winsome bronzes of flute players, rows of grateful, grinning kiddies, clusters of hand-holding tots, some with banjos, some with fishing rods; and large bronze statues, too, like the centrepiece of the circular drive in front of Michael's house, a statue of Mercury (god of merchandise and merchants), rising 30 feet, with winged helmet and caduceus, and all balanced on one tippy-toe, the last of the syrupy sunset lingering on his big bronze buttocks, making his bum look like a buttered muffin.

The house at Neverland was filled with images, many of them depicting Michael life-sized, elaborately costumed, in heroic poses with cape, sword, ruffed collar, crown. The rest were an example of a sort of obsessive iconography: images of Elizabeth Taylor, Diana Ross, Marilyn Monroe and Charlie Chaplin – and for that matter of Mickey Mouse and Peter Pan, all of whom, over the years, in what is less a life than a metamorphosis, he had come physically to resemble.

"So you're Wendy and Michael is Peter?" I had asked Elizabeth Taylor afterwards.

"Yeah. Yeah. There's a kind of magic between us."

The friendship started when, out of the blue, Michael offered her tickets for one of his Thriller Tour concerts – indeed, she asked for 14 tickets. But the seats were in a glass-enclosed VIP box, so far from the stage "you might as well have been watching it on TV". Instead of staying, she led her large party home.

Hearing that she'd left the concert early, Michael called the next day in tears apologising for the bad seats. He stayed on the line, they talked for two hours. And then they talked every day. Weeks passed, the calls continued. Months went by. "Really, we got to know each other on the telephone, over three months."

One day Michael suggested that he might drop by. Elizabeth said fine. He said: "May I bring my chimpanzee?" Elizabeth said, "Sure. I love animals." Michael showed up holding hands with the chimp, Bubbles.

"We have been steadfast ever since," Elizabeth said.

"Do you see much of Michael?"

"More of him than people realise – more than I realise," she said. They went in disguise to movies in Los Angeles cinemas, sitting in the back, holding hands. Before I could frame a more particular question, she said: "I love him. There's a vulnerability inside him which makes him the more dear. We have such fun together. Just playing."

Or role-playing – her Wendy to his Peter. In the hallway of her house, a large Michael Jackson portrait was inscribed "To my True Love Elizabeth. I'll love you Forever, Michael".

She gave him a live elephant. Dr Arnie Klein, his dermatologist, showed me a birthday snapshot taken in Las Vegas, Michael looking distinctly chalky as he presented Elizabeth with a birthday present, an elephant-shaped bauble, football-sized, covered in jewels.

What began as a friendship with Michael Jackson developed into a kind of cause in which Elizabeth Taylor became almost his only defender.

"What about his" – and I fished for a word – "eccentricity? Does that bother you?"

"He is magic. And I think all truly magical people have to have that genuine eccentricity." There is not an atom in her consciousness that allows her the slightest negativity on the subject of Jacko. "He is one of the most loving, sweet, true people I have ever loved. He is part of my heart. And we would do anything for each other."

This Wendy with a vengeance, who was a wealthy and world-famous pre-adolescent, supporting her parents from the age of nine, said she easily related to Michael, who was also a child star, and denied a childhood, as well as viciously abused by his father. There was a "Katherine" steam engine, and a "Katherine Street" at Neverland; there was no "Joseph Street", nor anything bearing his father's name.

'He'll talk to you if I ask him to," Elizabeth had told me. And at a prearranged signal, Michael called me, at four one morning. There was no secretarial intervention of "Mr Jackson on the line". The week's supermarket tabloids' headlines were "Jacko on suicide watch" and "Jacko in loony bin", and one with a South Africa dateline, "Wacko Jacko King of Pop Parasails with 13-year-old". In fact, he was in New York City, where he was recording a new album. This was 10 years ago.

My phone rang and I heard: "This is Michael Jackson." The voice was breathy, unbroken, boyish – tentative, yet tremulously eager and helpful, not the voice of a 40-year-old. In contrast to this lilting sound, its substance was denser, like a blind child giving you explicit directions in darkness.

"How would you describe Elizabeth?" I asked.

"She's a warm cuddly blanket that I love to snuggle up to and cover myself with. I can confide in her and trust her. In my business, you can't trust anyone."

"Why is that?"

"Because you don't know who's your friend. Because you're so popular, and there's so many people around you. You're isolated, too. Becoming successful means that you become a prisoner. You can't go out and do normal things. People are always looking at what you're doing."

"Have you had that experience?"

"Oh, lots of times. They try to see what you're reading, and all the things you're buying. They want to know everything. There are always paparazzi downstairs. They invade my privacy. They twist reality. They're my nightmare. Elizabeth is someone who loves me – really loves me."

"I suggested to her that she was Wendy and you're Peter."

"But Elizabeth is also like a mother – and more than that. She's a friend. She's Mother Teresa, Princess Diana, the Queen of England and Wendy. We have great picnics. It's so wonderful to be with her. I can really relax with her, because we've lived the same life and experienced the same thing."

"Which is?"

"The great tragedy of childhood stars. We like the same things. Circuses. Amusement parks. Animals."

And there was their shared fame and isolation.

"It makes people do strange things. A lot of our famous luminaries become intoxicated because of it – they can't handle it. And your adrenaline is at the zenith of the universe after a concert – you can't sleep. It's maybe two in the morning and you're wide awake. After coming off stage, you're floating."

"How do you handle that?"

"I watch cartoons. I love cartoons. I play video games. Sometimes I read."

"You mean you read books?"

"Yeah. I love to read short stories and everything."

"Any in particular?"

"Somerset Maugham," he said quickly, and then, pausing at each name: "Whitman. Hemingway. Twain."

"What about those video games?"

"I love X-Man. Pinball. Jurassic Park. The martial arts ones – Mortal Kombat."

"I played some of the video games at Neverland," I said. "There was an amazing one called Beast Buster."

"Oh, yeah, that's great. I pick each game. That one's maybe too violent, though. I usually take some with me on tour."

"How do you manage that? The video game machines are pretty big, aren't they?"

"Oh, we travel with two cargo planes."

"Have you written any songs with Elizabeth in mind?"

"Childhood."

"Is that the one with the line, 'Has anyone seen my childhood?'"

"Yes. It goes…", and he liltingly recited "Before you judge me, try to…", and then sang the rest.

"Didn't I hear that playing on your merry-go-round at Neverland?"

Delightedly, he said, "Yes! Yes!"

He went on about childhood, how, like Elizabeth, as a child star he used to support his family.

"I was a child supporting my family. My father took the money. Some of the money was put aside for me, but a lot of the money was put back into the entire family. I was just working the whole time."

"So you didn't have a childhood, then – you lost it. If you had it to do again how would you change things?"

"Even though I missed out on a lot, I wouldn't change anything."

"I can hear your little kids in the background." The gurgling had become insistent, like a plug-hole in a flood. "If they wanted to be performers and lead the life you led, what would you say?"

"They can do whatever they want to do. If they want to do that, it's okay."

"How will you raise them differently from the way you were raised?"

"With more fun. More love. Not so isolated."

"Elizabeth says she finds it painful to look back on her life. Do you find it hard to do that?"

"No, not when it's pertaining to an overview of your life rather than any particular moment."

This oblique and somewhat bookish form of expression was a surprise to me – another Michael Jackson surprise. He had made me pause with "intoxicated" and "zenith of the universe", too. I said: "I'm not too sure what you mean by 'overview'."

"Like childhood. I can look at that. The arc of my childhood."

"But there's some moment in childhood when you feel particularly vulnerable. Did you feel that? Elizabeth said that she felt she was owned by the studio."

"Sometimes really late at night we'd have to go out – it might be three in the morning – to do a show. My father forced us. He would get us up. I was seven or eight. Some of these were clubs or private parties at people's houses. We'd have to perform." This was in Chicago, New York, Indiana, Philadelphia, he added – all over the country. "I'd be sleeping and I'd hear my father. 'Get up! There's a show!' "

"But when you were on stage, didn't you get a kind of thrill?"

"Yes. I loved being on stage. I loved doing the shows."

"What about the other side of the business – if someone came up after the show, did you feel awkward?"

"I didn't like it. I've never liked people-contact. Even to this day, after a show, I hate it, meeting people. It makes me shy. I don't know what to say."

"But you did that Oprah interview, right?

"With Oprah it was tough. Because it was on TV – on TV, it's out of my realm. I know that everyone is looking and judging. It's so hard."

"Is this a recent feeling – that you're under scrutiny?"

"No," he said firmly, "I have always felt that way."

"Even when you were seven or eight?"

"I'm not happy doing it."

"Which I suppose is why talking to Elizabeth over a period of two or three months on the phone would be the perfect way to get acquainted. Or doing what we're doing right now."

"Yes."

At some point Michael's use of the phrase "lost childhood" prompted me to quote the line from George William Russell, "In the lost boyhood of Judas / Christ was betrayed", and I heard "Wow" at the other end of the line. He asked me to explain what that meant, and when I did, he urged me to elaborate. What sort of a childhood did Judas have? What had happened to him? Where had he lived? Who had he known?

I told him that Judas had red hair, that he was the treasurer of the Apostles, that he might have been Sicarii – a member of a radical Jewish group, that he might not have died by hanging himself but somehow exploded, all his guts flying.

Twenty more minutes of Biblical apocrypha with Michael Jackson, on the lost childhood of Judas, and then the whisper again.

"Wow."



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/5664968/My-trip-to-Neverland-and-the-call-from-Michael-Jackson-Ill-never-forget-by-Paul-Theroux.html

[Roamer]

I watched the video, LLL, and I certainly saw the shadow!

What, who, why... I have no idea. But the shadow was there.

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Jackson was acquitted at trial but never recovered
June 28, 2009, 2:30 PM EST
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Michael Jackson called his trial on child molestation claims, "the hardest thing I've ever done in my life." Acquitted of all charges by a jury but convicted by public opinion, he spent the rest of his life trying to recover from the ordeal.

On many fronts, it was a losing battle. Late night comedians derided him as a pedophile. Prosecutors who lost the case against him never accepted the jury verdict and Jackson felt driven to give up his beloved Neverland Ranch and leave the country.

This month, exactly four years after the verdict, the nation's greatest pop star was on the verge of a dazzling comeback. His "This Is It" concert tour was to be his artistic rebirth, a vivid signal that he had at last recovered from the trial.

But Thomas Mesereau Jr., the lawyer who defended Jackson, said the star never fully recovered from the trial.

"The jury said, 'not guilty,' 14 times," Mesereau recalls. "You couldn't have a verdict that got any closer to full vindication."

On the acquittal day, Mesereau issued a statement: "Justice is done. The man's innocent. He always was."

Mesereau said in an interview Saturday that the effort by prosecutors and many media outlets to demonize Jackson during the 2005 trial took a physical and emotional toll on the already fragile defendant that was difficult to erase.

"These were horrible charges to accuse any one of and they were completely bogus," he said.

Jackson could have gotten nearly 20 years behind bars if convicted of charges that he molested a 13-year-old cancer survivor at Neverland in 2003. Jurors also acquitted Jackson of getting the boy drunk and of conspiring to imprison the accuser and his family at the ranch.

Jackson's defense team prevailed with evidence that he was the victim of mother-and-son con artists and a prosecutor with a vendetta.

Mesereau recalled Jackson visibly withering as the trial progressed, losing weight, his cheeks sunken, his skin pale. Twice he was taken to a hospital emergency room for treatment.

more at the link..
http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=417313

This is why bigots like Rep. Peter King and O'Reilly keep harping on this. In our country we are innocent until proven guilty. So why when this man has been aquitted, found innocent of all charges do they not let it go? As Marlon said at MJ's farewell...Maybe now they will leave you alone, Michael..:cray:

MJ left the US due to feeling betrayed never able to recover from these molestation charges..I do believe MJ loved children and did all he could to help those afflicted with cancer. His Neverland Ranch came to be because everything he loved were behind those gates..since he could not go out in public without hordes of people/papparazzi following him..he invited children to his ranch for happiness. Those who were poor, ailing were brought there to put smiles on their faces..

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Bill O'Reilly: Michael Jackson is no black icon
July 8, 2009, 7:15 PM EST
MSN Entertainment

FOX News host Bill O'Reilly continued his streak of controversial statements during his show on Tuesday in reaction to Michael Jackson's memorial service which was held earlier in the day.

O'Reilly criticized Jackson for "incredible selfishness -- spending hundreds of million dollars on himself while singing 'We Are the World,'" and said that it "should make any clear-thinking American nauseous."

Speaking to guest analyst Marc Lamont Hill, a black FOX commentator, O'Reilly also addressed race as an issue at the memorial service: "Why are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton making this a racial deal? Jackson bleached his own skin. And then chose white men to provide existence for his in vitro children. Give me a break with all this."

Hill responded: "You have me baffled in your analysis here, to say this isn't a racial issue, when this man's entire career has been marked by the tropes of race... Yes, the black community has embraced him, yes the black community has wrapped its arms around him more in death, but that's because the media has assaulted him in ways they don't do with white people of his stature."

more at the link...
http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=420144&gt1=28103

[Trailblazer]

The video appears to show a silhouette crossing a corridor at Michael Jackson's former home at Neverland Ranch. At the time no one noticed the shadow while the news channel CNN were filming "Inside Neverland", which featured an interview with Larry King and Jermaine Jackson
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25739494-5012980,00.html

Watch closely, you can see a dark figure, looks like MJ with his famous hat...

I do believe in spirits, I also believe if the soul is not at rest or dies tragically, or has unfinished business, there is the spirit that lingers in limbo...until someone can get them to cross over...JMHO

CNN has said that it was a shadow of a camera person...not a ghost...In fact they reported that other media was picking it up as a ghost...which it was not.....they had lighting set up...for the LKL show

[Trailblazer]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/09/jackson-doc-was-under-investigation-before/

Jackson Doc Was Under Investigation Before

Dr. Conrad Murray -- the doctor who was at Michael Jackson's home the day he died -- was once under investigation for an alleged botched surgery.

In 2007, Dr. Murray drained fluid from the heart of a 67-year old Las Vegas patient. The patient died after surgery. According to the coroner's investigation report, his wife was told by one of the docs her husband's heart was punctured during the procedure -- so she complained to the coroner's office.

The investigation report confirms that, during Dr. Murray's surgery, the patient suffered a puncture to the right ventricle of his heart, which was eventually listed as one of four causes of death on the autopsy report.

We spoke to the family, who told us they wanted to file a malpractice suit but it was too expensive -- in part because pursuing that kind of legal action requires testimony from another medical expert, and that costs a lot of money.

Altogether, the suit proved to be too much trouble and the family stayed quiet ... until now.

[Trailblazer]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/09/mj-to-be-buried-wearing-one-white-glove/

MJ to be Buried Wearing One White Glove

Michael Jackson will be laid to rest in pure MJ fashion -- as in he will be wearing one (and only one) of his favorite gloves.

Dorothy Gaspar -- who owns Gaspar Gloves in L.A. and designed gloves for the "This Is It" tour -- tells us La Toya Jackson wanted Michael to wear a glove inside the casket. Turns out La Toya chose a white leather glove Dorothy made for Michael 10-12 years ago -- a glove covered in Swarovski crystals.

Dorothy tells us she was informed of this yesterday by Michael's stylist -- Michael Bush -- when he picked up 20 green gloves she had made for Jackson's dancers.

[Trailblazer]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/08/mj-memorial-donations-next-to-nothing/

MJ Memorial Donations -- Next to Nothing

The city of Los Angeles has only received $17,000 of the $1.4 million it cost to put on Michael Jackson's memorial -- but it's not because MJ fans are cheap ... it's because of the complete failure of the official donation website.


The press release from Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa says, "The city's Information Technology Agency could not handle the high volume of traffic or adequately respond to receive contributions for several hours Tuesday afternoon ... for at least 12 consecutive hours Tuesday evening ... and periodically throughout Wednesday morning."

So Villaraigosa is begging MJ fans to go back to the website and cough up a donation -- but please, not all at once.

[SavannahStar]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/09/mj-to-be-buried-wearing-one-white-glove/

MJ to be Buried Wearing One White Glove

Michael Jackson will be laid to rest in pure MJ fashion -- as in he will be wearing one (and only one) of his favorite gloves.

Dorothy Gaspar -- who owns Gaspar Gloves in L.A. and designed gloves for the "This Is It" tour -- tells us La Toya Jackson wanted Michael to wear a glove inside the casket. Turns out La Toya chose a white leather glove Dorothy made for Michael 10-12 years ago -- a glove covered in Swarovski crystals.

Dorothy tells us she was informed of this yesterday by Michael's stylist -- Michael Bush -- when he picked up 20 green gloves she had made for Jackson's dancers.

:cray:

[Firehead]

Bill O'Reilly: Michael Jackson is no black icon
July 8, 2009, 7:15 PM EST
MSN Entertainment

FOX News host Bill O'Reilly continued his streak of controversial statements during his show on Tuesday in reaction to Michael Jackson's memorial service which was held earlier in the day.

O'Reilly criticized Jackson for "incredible selfishness -- spending hundreds of million dollars on himself while singing 'We Are the World,'" and said that it "should make any clear-thinking American nauseous."

Speaking to guest analyst Marc Lamont Hill, a black FOX commentator, O'Reilly also addressed race as an issue at the memorial service: "Why are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton making this a racial deal? Jackson bleached his own skin. And then chose white men to provide existence for his in vitro children. Give me a break with all this."

Hill responded: "You have me baffled in your analysis here, to say this isn't a racial issue, when this man's entire career has been marked by the tropes of race... Yes, the black community has embraced him, yes the black community has wrapped its arms around him more in death, but that's because the media has assaulted him in ways they don't do with white people of his stature."

more at the link...
http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=420144&gt1=28103

Well Bill O'Reilly isn't a white one either if he thinks that. (How much was that woman paid off to keep her mouth shut about his affair with her?)

Jackson is an music ICON period. Not white, not black. Why don't people understand that? The black community didn't embrace Jackson when they thought he was trying to be "white". They ridiculed him just as much. Stop the damn racial issues folks ! The man is dead.

[Battnt]

This is pretty cool!...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je1KOcBYGjM

[Trailblazer]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/09/jackson-doc-i-gave-michael-demerol/

Jackson Doc -- I Gave Michael Demerol

Dr. Arnie Klien, Michael Jackson's longtime friend and dermatologist, admits to giving MJ Demerol -- one of the strong painkillers we're told Jackson sought out.

Klein says it was only "on occasion" to sedate him, and when asked about the drug Diprivan -- the brand name for the drug Propofol, which was found in Jackson's house when he died -- Klein said he was aware Michael was using it but warned him of its dangers.

As for fathering Michael's kids, Klein admits to donating sperm once -- to a sperm bank -- not specifically to Jackson. Klein hedged on whether he was the father of Jackson's kids but at one point said was not.

Klein also strongly intimated he felt Debbie Rowe should get the kids -- because he felt Katherine was too old and Joe was out of it. Interestingly, Klein didn't go to the memorial and as we reported the Jackson family gave LAPD a list of doctors they were suspicious of -- and Klein was on the list.

[Ann]

I watched the video, LLL, and I certainly saw the shadow!

What, who, why... I have no idea. But the shadow was there.They showed the video on CNN with a close up. There was a camera light in the room--they're very strong if you've ever been in front of one. One of the crew walked by in front of it and casted his shadow.

But as Anderson Cooper said, I'm sure the ghost story will continue to live on the internet.

[Pandabear]

Well Bill O'Reilly isn't a white one either if he thinks that. (How much was that woman paid off to keep her mouth shut about his affair with her?)

Jackson is an music ICON period. Not white, not black. Why don't people understand that? The black community didn't embrace Jackson when they thought he was trying to be "white". They ridiculed him just as much. Stop the damn racial issues folks ! The man is dead.

I agree Firehead! I'm so sick of people like O'Reilly making these statements and judging people the way he does. He needs to straighten up his own closet before he takes a step into someone else's. :madranting94dp:

[Firehead]

For those who are interested about the memorial book, here is a link that you can download the booklet.

You will get a pop up but it was scanned and found no virus.

There are two areas, one is high res and the another one is a little grainy.

http://www.examiner.com/x-4839-Philadelphia-HipHop-Music-Examiner~y2009m7d8-Michael-Jackson-Memorial-Program-Booklet

[F~M]

I always wondered why if Michael wanted children, that he didn't donate his own sperm to create these babies...

But then I also always wondered why he didn't have an intimate relationship with a woman to create a baby...

I've thought about that too.

Michael was always striving for perfection, whether it be with his work or his looks. He had been critiqued by his father his whole life, even picked on.

I wonder if Michael thought he wasn't good enough to make biological babies.

[F~M]

I also think..he hated himself..or his looks..and i kinda wonder if its because of his seemingly dislike of his dad that he didnt want a child of his own because it would have his dads dna ( If that makes sense)

Yes.. thanks.. you worded it much better than I just tried to! :frown:

[SavannahStar]

I always wondered why if Michael wanted children, that he didn't donate his own sperm to create these babies...

But then I also always wondered why he didn't have an intimate relationship with a woman to create a baby...


Are you 100% convinced that these were NOT his bio children? (Or that he did not have an "intimate" relationship with DR?) I'm not. Yet anyway. Hard to know what you read out there is really the truth. Everything is so contradictory....one source says one thing, another source says something else!

[F~M]

JACKSON'S 'SECRET WIFE' FILES NEW SUIT IN LOS ANGELES
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The woman who claimed she was the biological mother of MICHAEL JACKSON's three children has filed suit in Los Angeles Superior Court demanding the late star's estate.

Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson, who has claimed to be Jackson's secret wife, filed for a legal separation from the King of Pop in December (08) and prior to that went public with claims she carried the pop star's children, Paris, Prince Michael and Prince Michael II, to term - and called Jacko's official ex, Debbie Rowe, an impostor.

The London-based woman, who has described herself as "a black Jew born in Britain," also went to court in 2006 in a bid to lay claim to Jackson's Neverland Ranch, child support payments and shared custody of the pop star's three children.

Nona Jackson claimed she's known Jackson since he was a teenager, and that she's written over 3,000 songs for him.

The lawsuit was thrown out in 2006 and rejected again in 2007, but the case wasn't dismissed completely - Nona Jackson was told to make a better presentation of her evidence.

Following Jackson's death last week (25Jun09), Nona Jackson posted a heartfelt message online, stating, "I have become a widow, I have paid ultimately for loving Michael Jackson but it is all I have to give him, the gift of eternity. He had to be loved even once in this lifetime and I have done that. I too, can die in peace some day." She signed off as "Michael Jackson's wife, Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson." In her latest suit, she's demanding all of Jackson's property, insisting, "All my husband's properties, monies and assets must be transferred to me immediately," ruling, "My husband's body must be returned to the coroner's body or the mortuary immediately."http://www.pr-inside.com/jackson-s-secret-wife-files-new-suit-r1359538.htm

People like this are dangerous. She needs help.

[Sioux_Girl]

Are you 100% convinced that these were NOT his bio children? (Or that he did not have an "intimate" relationship with DR?) I'm not. Yet anyway. Hard to know what you read out there is really the truth. Everything is so contradictory....one source says one thing, another source says something else!

In all honesty i find it hard to imagine that Michael was intimate with any woman - or fully at least.

[Ann]

In all honesty i find it hard to imagine that Michael was intimate with any woman - or fully at least.

Actually in some of his videos, I thought he was quite sexy. Some people are shy and private about such things even if they are celebrities.

[Pauli]

I have moved all the latest posts from the memorial thread here..

[Alibar]

Actually in some of his videos, I thought he was quite sexy. Some people are shy and private about such things even if they are celebrities.

ITA! I figure he is cringing in his coffin that he has no privacy in death. I think people will be coming out of the woodwork claiming various relationships with him.

Three things the media can't find fault with are his three children. They obviously have been raised well.

[annalyzer]

I have moved all the latest posts from the memorial thread here..


Thanks Pauli :love0085:

[Ann]

For those who didn't get a chance to see it, here's the video of Larry King's interview with Dr. Arnold Klein last night.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/07/09/michael.jackson.glove/#cnnSTCVideo

[annalyzer]

For those who didn't get a chance to see it, here's the video of Larry King's interview with Dr. Arnold Klein last night.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/07/09/michael.jackson.glove/#cnnSTCVideo

I'll watch it in a bit. Thanks.

[Ann]

I'll watch it in a bit. Thanks.

BTW it's not the whole interview. It stops before he talks about the Jacksons and his concern in particular about Joe Jackson. He said that he called Debbie Rowe after Michael died and told her that she needed to step up and protect the children. He also said that he thought Debbie Rowe may have been the one who told people he was the father.

*******************

There are reports that the family is split and fighting about where to bury Michael. Joe and Jermaine want him buried at Neverland (some think there's money in it for them). Katherine and other family are against it because Michael said he never wanted to go back there after his trial because it was tainted by what the police did in raiding it.---according to the report.

[suburban]

I have moved all the latest posts from the memorial thread here..



You do this to me when I'm at work....I'm always lost :biggrin:

[Pauli]

lol... I'm sorry :basic45:

[Tam5115]

I didn't have the chance to come post with everyone during the memorial. I sure wish I had been able to.

I thought it was a beautiful memorial. I literally lost my breath for a minute when the casket came out. It was like, OMG, this is for reals! :000a1:

Paris absolutely reduced me to a puddle! Since then, everytime it's replayed (like constantly) I stick my fingers in my ears and sing, lalalalala... so I don't start bawling again.

[suburban]

I didn't have the chance to come post with everyone during the memorial. I sure wish I had been able to.

I thought it was a beautiful memorial. I literally lost my breath for a minute when the casket came out. It was like, OMG, this is for reals! :000a1:

Paris absolutely reduced me to a puddle! Since then, everytime it's replayed (like constantly) I stick my fingers in my ears and sing, lalalalala... so I don't start bawling again.


I'm right there with you Tam....I want so bad to watch Jermaine sing Smile again, but I know I'll just start crying...and those precious kids, Blanket carrying his Michael Jackson doll, tears me to pieces. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[Jute]

I agree Firehead! I'm so sick of people like O'Reilly making these statements and judging people the way he does. He needs to straighten up his own closet before he takes a step into someone else's. :madranting94dp:

O'Reilly's viscious attacks on Shawn Hornbeck showed me what type of person he really is.

"Bill: The question is why didn't he escape when he could have? There are all kinds of theories about that..."

If interested, there is a video here:

http://crooksandliars.com/2007/01/17/bill-oreilly-blames-the-victim-for-shame/

[Trailblazer]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/09/war-erupts-over-mjs-memorial-cost/

War Erupts over MJ's Memorial Cost

The battle over the cost of Michael Jackson's memorial has officially begun -- as an L.A. city councilman and the president of AEG traded licks today about who's responsible for the ceremony's hefty price tag.


Councilman Dennis Zine told KTTV today that taxpayers "are getting ripped off" because AEG made $50,000 by charging the media to use risers outside the venue. Zine said AEG should grow a pair and cough up some cash.

AEG President Tim Leiweke immediately swung back, saying Zine was out of line because the company helped secure funds for the L.A. Lakers championship parade last month.

[Jute]

NANCY GRACE

Janet Jackson Reported to Have Staged Family Intervention for Michael

Aired July 9, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, the mystery of the sudden death of music icon Michael Jackson intensifies. As 20,000 people pack the Staples Center arena, L.A., millions around the world looking on, questions mount on his sudden death, his half-a-billion-dollar empire, and more important, custody of the star`s three little children. Jackson`s 14 karat gold-bedecked "Promethean" casket on display in front of his 11-year-old little girl during her heart-wrenching tribute to her father. But just a few miles away, legal eagles and homicide investigators working around the clock.

Bombshell tonight. The location of Jackson`s embalmed body still shrouded in mystery. How -- how -- do you lose a gold-bedecked "Promethean" casket with 20 helicopters hovering and thousands watching the casket exit an arena? Was he ever even in the casket? Tonight, we learn the body may have been smuggled out through the arena`s secret underground tunnels in an unmarked van while fans mobbed a black hearse seemingly bearing Jackson`s body.

We confirm a portion of Jackson`s brain missing from the body, withheld for testing. And the Jackson family in-fighting boiling over, father, Joe Jackson, and the Jackson brothers pushing for burial in the back yard of Neverland, laying the groundwork for a Graceland-like Michael Jackson burial theme park. We learn sister Janet pled with Jackson and the family for an intervention to save his life. Well, that never happened after Jackson ordered his fleet of bodyguards to keep family away, even refusing calls from his 79-year-old mother.

Investigators reveal the superstar`s veins riddled with track marks, many veins actually collapsing from IV use, confirming an autopsy report surfacing last week many branded as a fake. Jackson`s skin paper white, white as a T-shirt, his head bald, his body emaciated, all in direct contrast to private video of Jackson`s full dress rehearsal just hours before his death. Multiple vials of drugs found in Jackson`s home, drugs banned for consumer use, only kept behind locked doors in the O.R., Jackson ingesting up to 10,000 prescription pills in just six months, five specific doctors now under suspicion of drugging an addict who happened to be a superstar.

As vultures circle Jackson`s dead body, the fate of his three children unknown.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s not breathing, sir.

911 OPERATOR: OK. And he`s not conscious, either, and...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, he`s not conscious, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Michael Jackson`s dermatologist confirms the singer used a powerful sedative to help him sleep during at least one tour.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dr. Arnold Klein says he warned Jackson not to take Diprivan again.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A source involved with the investigation tells us Jackson had, quote, "numerous track marks on his arms" and that those marks, quote, "could certainly be consistent" with the regular IV use of a drug like Diprivan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New details of just how far Michael Jackson`s family went to get him off drugs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was 2007, two years after Michael Jackson`s trial for child molestation in California.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was scarred and all but disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In early 2007, he was believed to be living in this large rented home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two sources close to the family say Janet Jackson visited him at that house and was shocked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re told the house was nearly barren of furniture, creepy-looking, according to one source. But it was the sight of an extremely thin, disheveled Michael Jackson that actually frightened Janet.

CHERILYN LEE, REGISTERED NURSE: He said, I want it to drop -- I want it IV. And he says, I know that the first drop -- when I look at it and I see the first drop hit my vein, I`m asleep and I sleep very well. And I just need sleep.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s supplied in vials. It`s the same concentration, comes in different vials. You can draw it up in a syringe and inject it into a vein. What you have to do is you have to place an intravenous catheter in a person through a vein, and then you can hook up an intravenous line.

(END VIDEO CLIP)
<snipped>

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. The mystery surrounding the sudden death of music superstar Michael Jackson intensifies.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LEE: I got this chill through my body, and I said, Michael, if you take that medicine, you might not wake up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a personal doctor here with him, sir.

911 OPERATOR: Oh, you have a doctor there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, but he`s not responding to anything, to no -- no -- he`s not responding to CPR or anything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Michael Jackson`s dermatologist, Klein, said he is not surprised that police found numerous bottles of prescription drugs in Jackson`s home. He says that the singer had struggled with addiction before.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The investigation seems to have a very narrow focus right now, focusing on prescription drugs and whether or not they contributed to Michael Jackson`s death, and of course, which doctor supplied them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... only days before his death. It`s a stark contrast to reports the star was in pain and needed (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... Jackson in the past due to painful procedures.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family had been concerned, and according to both our sources, Michael Jackson would simply refuse to see anybody who tried to stop him from using drugs, one source saying that if you tried to deal with him, he would shut you out.

LEE: This is a very serious drug. No side effects, he said. It is safe. I said, Michael, it isn`t. The bottom line, it can cause death.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These are the three types of vials that Diprivan comes in. It look like milk. It`s a liquid. You can draw it up in a syringe just like this, in a large syringe. Pure Diprivan can be pumped through an IV line just like this with precision dosing through a pump, or you can regulate it with your hand, like this. Give too much, and you can kill the person, stop breathing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to Ian Drew, senior editor with "Us Weekly." Ian, thank you for being with us. Where`s the body? And again, I still don`t understand how a 14 karat gold-bedecked "Promethean" casket can get lost.

IAN DREW, "US WEEKLY": Well, I`m not sure that there was even a body in the casket at that memorial. We know that the casket was there. The body is being held under lock and key right now until they figure out what to do with it. As we know, the problem with Neverland is, is that the town of Los Olivos around Neverland does not want it there. They do not want it a memorial. They do not want anything. They are rejecting it time and time again, every time this comes before them. Of course, the family, desperate for money, sees this as a way to make money. But it`s not necessarily the best thing that the town is interested in.

GRACE: You know -- to Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer -- what Ian is saying has a ring of truth. We know that Michael Jackson was somehow obsessed with Elvis Presley, which culminate that obsession in the marriage to Presley`s natural daughter, Lisa Marie Presley.

Now, it`s my understanding that father Joe Jackson, the Jackson brothers are insisting he be buried at Neverland, a place that he eschewed. He hated it after the police raid over child molestation charges. So tonight, we don`t know where the body is. It`s kept under lock and key. It`s in a secure area. Why?

What can you tell me about those underground tunnels there at Staples Center arena? And who is trying to stop the burial of Jackson`s remains at Neverland?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, there`s a bunch of reports out there about how this body may have been transported out of Staples Center without a trail of media around it. One report out there by E! News is that the Staple Center was built with numerous underground tunnels. One tunnel goes right over to the Nokia Theatre, right across the street. Other tunnels go to hotels nearby so that performers could walk right from backstage to their hotel without having to go out on the street.

So the theory is Jackson`s body or the casket was loaded into some kind of unmarked truck that went out of these tunnels looking like any kind of equipment truck, and maybe the media didn`t notice it.

GRACE: So for all we know, Ellie, his body was not in the gold- bedecked "Promethean" casket, but was at that moment being smuggled through the kitchen of the Hilton Hotel.

JOSTAD: Well, or another theory out there is that the body actually never even left Forest Lawn, that this was a casket that may have been empty. The whole time, the body stayed at Forest Lawn. And we just don`t know right now which of these theories is correct.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Michael Jackson`s family was apparently worried he had a drug problem. CNN has learned they even attempted an intervention two years ago. It apparently started with Michael`s sister, Janet, two sources close to the family telling CNN that Janet visited his Vegas home in early 2007 and was shocked when, the source says, the house had almost no furniture, looked a bit creepy, and Michael himself appeared very thin and disheveled at that time. That February, Janet then attended the NBC All-Star game with two of the brothers. She asked them to go to Michael`s house with her to try to convince him to get some help, but Michael reportedly ordered security not to let them in.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back. Straight back out to Ian Drew with "Us Weekly." Ian, speaking of where the body is going to be buried, there`s a lot of legal hurdles that you have to go through before you can just put a body, a dead body, out in the back of your yard, all right?

DREW: Which is the problem, yes.

GRACE: OK. In fact, there are statutes against that, so people don`t just start getting rid of dead bodies and going, Oh, it`s not getting rid of a dead body, we`re starting a cemetery in the back yard. Now, I understand father Joe and the brothers are behind this.

DREW: Yes. Absolutely. And what was said earlier was correct, what you said, Nancy. Michael did not want to be buried there. After he left, he planned never to go back. He felt violated after the home was raided by police during the second child molestation trial. He only stayed because it was close to the trial, and the day that he was set free, he left. He never went back. He never wanted anything more to do with it.

GRACE: Well, what do they want, Ian, to make a modern-day Graceland? Is that what they want, like Elvis`s home?

DREW: Absolutely. Because it`s to make money. This is the best way that they can use to pay down his debt. Despite everything, this will be a constant revenue stream for both the family and his children.

GRACE: Yes. Can`t you just imagine all the tourists from abroad and domestic flooding them -- flooding Neverland to go to pay respects to Jackson`s grave. There you see it. It`s all about making money.

Bethany Marshal, will it ever end, making money off Michael Jackson`s dead body?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Well, money holds such a strange role in Michael Jackson`s life because so many people wanted to make money off of him, and in this case, by, you know, building a sort of a Graceland of sorts for him. But also, Michael Jackson dangled money in front of people and used it in dangerous ways to bring people to him who supplied things that were very dangerous for him.

GRACE: To Brian Oxman, Jackson family confidant. He is a former family attorney. He is the host of "Insight" with KLAA news radio. Brian, thank you for being with us. Brian, what can you tell me about an alleged intervention attempt by Janet Jackson to save his life, an attempt that clearly failed?

BRIAN OXMAN, JACKSON FAMILY CONFIDANT (via telephone): All of the family members were very concerned about Michael, and they expressed their concerns. As to their attempts, they kept those pretty private, Nancy, and whatever they did, I know that they made a great effort to try and take care of what they thought was an important aspect of their life. And they just always were there to say that they were going to help, and they kept their private business to themselves.

GRACE: To Natisha Lance, our producer there on the scene. Natisha, what can you tell me about Janet Jackson trying to stage this family intervention to save Jackson`s life and him refusing, having his bodyguards, his fleet of bodyguards turning them away from the front door and even not taking his 79-year-old mother`s telephone calls?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: You`re absolutely right, Nancy. This was February of 2007. After a visit with Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson felt -- she became very concerned about his health. She said that he was very emaciated. She wanted to stage this intervention. She tried to get the help of her brothers to get on board with it. Now, there were rumors and reports about this intervention that was going to happen. The Jackson family ended up releasing a statement to "People" magazine, where certain members of the family signed, but Janet Jackson`s name was missing from that -- from that statement that was released to "People" magazine.

GRACE: To special guest joining us tonight, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. Thank you for being with us. He is a Jackson former rabbi and author of "Kosher Sutra." Rabbi, thank you for being with us. Sir, were you familiar with Jackson`s drug use?

RABBI SHMULEY BOTEACH, JACKSON`S FORMER RABBI: Well (INAUDIBLE) honest. We`re not children here. The whole of America, the whole of the world was familiar. Anyone who saw him...

GRACE: So that would be a yes?

BOTEACH: Anyone who saw him in the 2005 trial saw that he was out to lunch. Michael had a terrible affliction of the soul that he interpreted as an ailment of the body. Everything hurt. And he always had doctors who did not seem to be all that credible and legitimate who were around him. And as you see from this intervention, anyone, including me, or -- who would say to him, You re poisoning yourself and killing yourself, was quickly on the outs. And then you had a choice. You could either sit around and watch him do this to himself and self-destruct, or you could leave.

But for anyone, the media included, to pretend that they didn`t see during the 2005 trial the Michael Jackson was mentally absent -- only his body was present. He came to court in his pajamas, for goodness sake! Clearly, he was on something very strong.

GRACE: Well, we know, Rabbi, that, for instance, allegedly, in the case of pop star Britney Spears, she was committed in order to seek treatment, her father now running her estate. Now, why didn`t that happen with Michael Jackson to save his life?

BOTEACH: Because, unfortunately, here you have a family that the dysfunction has become just too corrosive. And Michael may have died of Demerol. I don`t know what it was. But his drug of choice was fame, and it`s hurt this family since the moment that he became famous. It`s a clear -- an inability to deal with superstardom. Michael reached an echelon where no one could reach him. There were no right and wrong. There was no rules. He lived by his own rules, and terribly and tragically, it killed him.

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GRACE: Getting all lost in the sauce are his three children.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who will take care of Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., Paris Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael Jackson II now that their father has died?

GRACE: Not Rebbie, not La Toya, not Janet, Marlon, Randy, Jackie, Tito -- no.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jackson names his mother, Katherine Jackson, as guardian of his children. If she`s unable or unwilling, he names singer Diana Ross.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back. I want to go straight out to Ian Drew, senior editor with "Us Weekly." Ian, regarding what is going to happen to his body, is it true that a portion of his brain is not in his body, wherever that body may be?

DREW: That is true. It was withheld for testing. As Liza Minnelli very prophetically said a few weeks ago, of all people, wait until this autopsy comes out because the things that they are getting so far out of everything are going to be even more shocking than anything that`s coming out now.

GRACE: To Dr. Zhongzue Hua, Union County, New Jersey, medical examiner. Dr. Hua, thank you for being with us. What can you learn from forensic testing of a human brain?

DR. ZHONGZUE HUA, UNION COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER: Several things. First, the brain is a good media for toxicology study. Second thing is, if someone has any previous injury or previous stroke. In the case of Michael Jackson, (INAUDIBLE) a sort of strange and very unique personality and character, whether there`s any sort of anatomical basis certainly need to be looked at.

GRACE: Let`s go out to the lawyers. Let`s unleash them. Joining me from L.A., Alexis Martin Neely, estate attorney, Anne Bremner, high-profile lawyer out of Seattle, and Doug Burns, defense attorney out of New York.

First to you, Anne Bremner. We understand that tonight, five doctors have been identified under suspicion of giving Michael Jackson -- enabling an addict who happened to be a music icon. What are the possible charges against them?

ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, they could be looking at a manslaughter I, Nancy, as you know, which is recklessness, or manslaughter 2, which is involuntary manslaughter and a negligence. You know, based upon knowing he`s an addict and prescribing and/or, especially with the anesthesia, using that to help him sleep on its face would be enough for a manslaughter. But we`ve heard from the police chief right now, William Bratton, that there`s not a certainty of charges, at least not yet.

GRACE: I`ve heard from the police chief, Bratton, who says he doesn`t know one way or the other.

BREMNER: Right.

GRACE: Doug Burns, though, can you imagine the scene of anesthesiologist in a mobile IV unit, like a van, injecting him, and he`s got to stay hooked up to this all night to sleep.

DOUG BURNS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, no, it`s unbelievable. And they could also be charged, obviously, with narcotics dealing, which is outside the course of medical practice.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a mystery. Michael Jackson`s sudden death at age 50. What killed him? Sources are telling CNN the singer`s arms were riddled with marks and the veins had collapsed. Both characteristics that experts say you find in people who use IV drugs.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our source cautioned investigators can`t say right now if a Diprivan IV drip caused the track marks on Jackson`s arms.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pure Diprivan can be pumped through an IV line just like this with precision dosing through a pump. Or you can regulate it with your hand like this. Give too much and you can kill the person, stop breathing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Diprivan, when you use it in the OR, you need oxygen to be administered to monitor your vitals and to keep basically your heart beating.

DOUGLAS B. JONES, MICHAEL JACKSON`S FORMER CHEF: There was a couple of occasions during my time of employment that I noticed Dr. Murray exiting the kitchen area through the side door to the driveway area, carrying a couple of oxygen tanks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The fact that there was oxygen tanks inside that home raises all kinds of red flags.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Another source says Jackson was emaciated, that his scalp was bald and his skin paper white.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Straight out to Brad Lamm, board certified interventionist www.changesomeoneyoulove.com. Brad, thank you for being with us.

BRAD LAMM, BOARD REGISTERED INTERVENTIONIST, CHANGESOMEONEYOULOVE.COM: Thank you.

GRACE: You`re hearing all this about a staged intervention, Jackson locking the family out of Neverland, sticking his fleet of bodyguards on his own family. Not taking calls from his 79-year-old mother. That`s not unusual behavior for a drug addict.

But, Brad, here`s my question. To use this drug, as like your sedative, in the OR, the operating room, you`ve got to be hooked in. That means the doctor has got to be there the whole time you`re hooked in and we know the personal chef that we just saw says he sees oxygen tanks coming in and out and that a doctor would come at night and leave in the morning.

In fact, he`s quoted assaying he thought Jackson was having an affair with the male doctor. Because the doctor would come at night and leave in the morning. And.

LAMM: Well, I think it`s speaks to the relationship between a person and the drug which is as close as a lover. You know when you step in and try to intervene, it`s like pealing the bark off the trees. So as we here reports about them trying to step in, they did a few things that could have been better.

One, showing up in mass and not taking no for an answer. Really an intervention knows a conversation starter. And, two, and this is really important and I think a lot of people can relate to this. If the kids are involved like in this case they are, you step in and you get the kids out of the situation and oftentimes that will be the thing that will help break through the denial of addiction.

GRACE: But it`s just amazing to me that a doctor -- can you just imagine.

LAMM: But Nancy.

GRACE: Can you conjure up the image of a doctor there in a mobile unit, a van, shooting Jackson up and keeping the catheter in the arm overnight?

LAMM: Unfortunately, I can. And if you and I were to step out the studio here at CNN and walk two blocks, we could get these drugs and other drugs within blocks of CNN here. It`s just that easy.

GRACE: Diprivan? You can get that.

LAMM: Absolutely.

GRACE: How?

LAMM: There are just that many doctors.

GRACE: I`ve never in all my years of prosecuting drug use, drug trafficking, I`ve never heard of a Diprivan addict, ever.

LAMM: Well, I think if you can equate a drug dealer with a doctor that`s mis-prescribing, you`ve got a pretty good correlation there.

GRACE: Have you ever seen a case where somebody takes Diprivan every night to sleep intravenously?

LAMM: I haven`t seen Diprivan but I`ve seen other intravenous opiate to use like this.

GRACE: Overnight?

LAMM: To sleep.

GRACE: Or 10 straight hours?

LAMM: I`ve never seen anything like this, to be honest. Yes.

GRACE: You said we could get it a block from CNN?

LAMM: No, I`m sure we could go get Diprivan, though.

GRACE: You know, that`s very unusual. Dr. Hua, where is Diprivan kept? How would a doctor get access to it?

DR. ZHONGXUE HUA, UNION COUNTY, NJ, MEDICAL EXAMINER: You may have to get a DA license to get a prescription for it. It`s not a common drug so that it will flow over the counter you can get. You really have to get a DA license to prescribe this kind of drug.

GRACE: Let`s take a listen to one of the doctors allegedly named as one of the five under suspicion by the L.A. coroner`s. Here`s Jackson`s dermatologist, allegedly, the biological father of the children. This is Dr. Arnold Klein. Take a listen.

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DIANE SAWYER, HOST, ABC NEWS GOOD MORNING AMERICA: There was even one report that you were the biological father of the children. Do you know who`s the.

DR. ARNOLD KLEIN, MICHAEL JACKSON`S FORMER DERMATOLOGIST: All I can tell you is best to my knowledge I`m not the father of these children. But I`m telling you, if push comes to shove, you know, I can`t say anything about it but to the best of my knowledge, I`m not the father of these children.

I once donated sperm. Once I went to a sperm bank but I don`t think I should go over my legal affairs. I think to the best of my knowledge I`m not the father. I wanted to tell you that this discussion, whatever, is between Michael`s children and this person. It`s not to be discussed who the father is over national television.

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GRACE: What`s he doing giving sperm to a sperm bank? You know, all along, that`s Dr. Arnold Klein, a long-time friend of Michael Jackson, who`s on ABC`s "Good Morning America."

He says no, no, no, I`m not the dad, to my knowledge. The whole time he`s looking away from the camera, he can`t look at the lens, he can`t look at his interviewer, and then he said, oh yes, there was that time I donated sperm.

OK. Alexis Martin Neely, a state attorney, family law attorney. Alexis, this sounds like he`s screaming, yes, I`m probably the father.

ALEXIS MARTIN NEELY, ESTATE ATTORNEY, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY, WWW.PERSONALFAMILYLAWYER.COM: He very well could be saying exactly that without wanting to say it publicly. He`s probably under some sort of an agreement. He probably got paid for it if he is the father. And like he`s saying, is he`s -- he doesn`t want to discuss it in the media. That would be something that he would discuss privately with the children at some point possibly.

GRACE: Well, would that have any effect on the estate if we find out who the dad is?

NEELY: Absolutely not.

GRACE: OK. No effect. Out to.

NEELY. No. No.

GRACE: No effect. Out to Dr. Bethany Marshall. Dr. Bethany, did you observe his demeanor when he was saying no, no, no, to my knowledge I`m not the -- wouldn`t you know if you`re the dad and then just suddenly do an about face and say, well, there was that time I donated sperm.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": You know what I think, I think what`s happening, is he wants to inject himself into the notoriety of the case. He wants the public to know that indeed he`s possibly the dad. But as Alexis just said, he`s under some confidentiality agreement. And he can`t say so.

But can I say something about addiction, I think, is important to clear up? I think the likelihood is not that Jackson was addicted to Diprivan. I think he was addicted to Benzodiazepine and opiate, and that he took so many of those that he was having withdrawal effects, meaning rebound, insomnia, anxiety and agitation.

And that the doctor, instead of medicating the rebound anxiety and insomnia, gave him Diprivan to cover it. And that`s the malpractice and it`s egregious.

GRACE: Back to Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. He is Michael Jackson`s former rabbi.

Rabbi, were you familiar with any of these doctors prescribing all of these medications or obtaining them for Michael Jackson?

RABBI SHMULEY BOTEACH, MICHAEL JACKSON`S FORMER RABBI: Well, Nancy, when I was with Michael, the -- what we were trying to do is rehabilitate his life. This was a man who had no purpose to live. It was the children that kept him alive.

I think he was burned out. Michael could not consecrate his celebrity to a higher cause. It really was a -- it was a prison for him. And we went to Oxford University together to give a lecture and Michael came with a cast and he has a broken foot suddenly and he always had some ailment, some bodily ailment.

People will famously remember that he was bit by a spider and that would mean that a doctor had to accompany him. And that was always odd because we always wondered who were these doctors? Where do they practice? They never gave good answers. And Michael was protective of their being around.

I used to say Michael all the time you know this is a poison, don`t you? And you know this is going to kill you? And he knew. I remember once that after he sequestered himself with a doctor and came out very lightheaded and woozy, the next time he was having dinner at our home. Friday night shebab (ph) dinner. And Michael decides to stand during dinner.

And I said, why are you standing? And he said because I took your advice and I decided not to have the medication because I know it`s bad for me. So he always knew this was bad. You know, there are always two Michael Jacksons. The outpouring love that you see, there was a soft, gentle side to him. He was a celebrity, he was a little bit different. He could actually be -- he could be forthcoming, he could be gentle and even exhibit an ability of spirit.

Then there was the king of pop and he was immune to any kind of criticism. And if you did try to intervene at all, he did shut you out. And I`m not surprised at all to get any children. He loved his mother and called his mother a saint, but he would not take her calls either, and I`m certain that`s true. Because if you tried to separate him from what he needed to live, he would just make sure that he separate himself from you.

GRACE: Everyone, as we go to break, a very special happy 80th birthday to (INAUDIBLE) friend of the show, Mrs. Grace Bryant. From all of your loved ones, Mrs. Bryant, happy birthday.

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DEBBIE ROWE, MICHAEL JACKSON`S FORMER WIFE: Are you ready to get your butt kicked? Don`t (EXPLETIVE DELETED) touch me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: From the start, their marriage seemed more like a business deal. Michael Jackson wanted children and Debbie Rowe wanted to provide them. In the end, Jackson got his kids and Rowe became a very rich woman. How rich? $8.5 million rich.

Court documents show Rowe was to be paid $1 million upfront and then another million paid over three years. On top of that, payments of $750,000 for the next six years. But in 2006, Rowe went back to court describing herself as deep in debt. As she put it by the end of 2005 the entire $265,000 was all gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jackson is notorious for going into a deal and then cheating the person out of whatever thereof.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rowe`s attorney says she hasn`t decided whether to seek custody of the two children. If she does, some speculate money may be her motivation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The kids will ultimately get 80 percent of Michael Jackson`s estate. And there will be child support. There are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After Rowe and Jackson`s split, he set her up in an expensive Beverly Hills home. Today with money tight, she lives in a modest ranch house on a farm outside Los Angeles.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She lives in a community that`s moderate to low income. She lives what should be a very humble lifestyle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Certainly not the lifestyle she enjoyed at Neverland.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Since Jackson`s death, these are the casualties overseas. Casey Hills, Joshua Hazlewood, Timothy David, Roger Adams, Juan Baldeosingh, Robert Bittiker, Edward Kramer, an unnamed soldier, Brian Bradshaw, Peter Cross, Steven Drees, Terry Lynch, Charles Sharp, Aaron Fairbairn, David Dennis, Justin Casillas, Derwin Williams, Tony Michael Randolph, Isaac Johnson, Chester Hosford, Nicolas Gideon, Mark Garner, Brock Chavers, and Christopher Talbert.

All of these brave soldiers have lost their lives since Michael Jackson`s untimely death, yet they are unsung. Tonight, we remember them.

I want to go quickly to Ian Drew with "Us Weekly". His article regarding the Jackson death and the events leading up to it comes out, hits the newsstand tomorrow. Debbie Rowe, she`s making a horrible, horrible impression, and how will she convince a court otherwise after all her statements in the past about not wanting the children?

IAN DREW, SENIOR EDITOR, US WEEKLY, INTERVIEWED MICHAEL JACKSON & DEBBIE ROWE: It`s going to be tough and what`s going to make everything even tougher is what we saw at the memorial the other day. The kids are very clearly comfortable and very happy within the Jackson family despite their criticism.

So it`s going to be a lot to convince a judge that we should pull them out of this family atmosphere, that they are very comfortable and happy in, that they seem very much in love with the other family members, particularly Janet Jackson and Katherine Jackson.

And then to go to this strange woman`s home that they don`t even know is their mother. They have visited her a few times in the past, as we report in the new issue. But they were told that she was the mother and they only think of her as a friend.

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GRACE: To Ellie Jostad. Ellie, we know that Dr. Arnold Klein might be one of the give under suspicion by the coroners. Who`s the other?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: The other doctor -- actually CNN has confirmed from a source that Dr. Klein is on that list as well as Dr. Conrad Murray, the doctor who was with Michael when he collapsed.

GRACE: Wouldn`t he do sleepovers and actually stay in the home overnight quite often?

JOSTAD: Right. Other staff members say that five night a week he was there overnight with Michael Jackson.

GRACE: Now I want to clarify, they were not lovers. That was not a romantic relationship. So what was he doing there overnight, Doug Burns?

DOUG BURNS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Apparently the concert promoters wanted to make sure that there was a physician there 24 hours a day. And I think it was part of the London tour where he was going to do 50 shows. I mean that is such an intense schedule that they had a physician there. But again there`s so many...

GRACE: But you just said 24 hours a day. Why come overnight and leave in the morning?

BURNS: Wait a minute. He was going to be there around the clock, apparently, in case there are any emergencies and so on.

GRACE: No. He would come at night and leave in the morning.

BURNS: Oh is that what it was? Is that what you told me?

GRACE: Yes. That the reports we`re getting but I`m impressed with your logic that it was part of the insurance, because that was part of the whole plan, to keep him fit.

BURNS: Of course.

GRACE: What I`m driving at is, somebody was shooting him up. Somebody had to be there and attend him with oxygen, which we know was there, and he was only there overnight.

BURNS: Yes.

GRACE: So it looks bad.

BURNS: It looks terrible. And I`ll tell you what. He`s not the only doctor, Dr. Murray. I mean there are a number of physicians that attended to Michael Jackson all the time over and over again.

GRACE: You`re right.

BURNS: Yes. And people made a great point, which is if you wouldn`t give them what he wanted, then he`d just move on to the next one.

GRACE: To Steve Kardian, former police detective. Steve, the homicide unit is investigating this. It`s just not about only the probate matters. Homicide is investigating. What does that say to you?

STEVE KARDIAN, FORMER POLICE DETECTIVE: Well, Nancy, I think that you`re going to see a number of charges come out of this. I mean Diprivan is a very difficult medication to get and I think that we`re going to be looking at a diversionary investigation in which doctors were taking this, for example, say, they took it out and they were going to use it on a victim that died. You`re going to find that this medication was then diverted elsewhere for illegitimate purposes.

GRACE: You know what, I haven`t heard it explained in that manner, which to me makes it much more serious, Steve Carney, than it already is.
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[Taterwassie]

Why should she get ample visiting time for Blanket? He was nothing to do with her.

As for why they wore veils Debbie said it was because they received threats when the two children were small. The thing is he was ridiculed for years for doing this...then it turns out it wasnt even HIS idea.

IMO, it's quite simple. Those children have always been together.....why not? What would be the problem????? I don't think they should ever be treated "separately".

Maybe I'm not seeing something here? :z0tdntknw:

[Sioux_Girl]

IMO, it's quite simple. Those children have always been together.....why not? What would be the problem????? I don't think they should ever be treated "separately".

Maybe I'm not seeing something here? :z0tdntknw:

Simply because hes not her child? She sold her own children so why she be given access to Blanket?

She went for custody of HER children and withdrew it when offered more money. Im sorry but that shows to me what her priorities were. Her interviiew the other day where she said she kept to her side of the deal but he didnt ( cos he died) Imo was quite sick and i just think shes going for custody for the money..and seeing as the kids dont know her i think thats totally wrong for the kids to be with her.

MOO

[Roamer]

I agree. The kids should stay with their grandmother for now, where they are loved and feel safe.

FYI, Joe Jackson will be on GMA this morning. I really don't like him, but I want to see what he has to say.

[LiveLaughLuv]

Simply because hes not her child? She sold her own children so why she be given access to Blanket?

She went for custody of HER children and withdrew it when offered more money. Im sorry but that shows to me what her priorities were. Her interviiew the other day where she said she kept to her side of the deal but he didnt ( cos he died) Imo was quite sick and i just think shes going for custody for the money..and seeing as the kids dont know her i think thats totally wrong for the kids to be with her.

MOO

ITA, Sioux...this woman sold her children, she also wanted her parental rights severed but the judge wasn't having it..

She has spent no time with this children and can't step in now, they don't even know her...

IMO, if she does want these children it's due to the money, nothing more...she has said she didn't want to be a mother so why now? MONEY...the love of money is the root of all evil...

No judge in their right mind will seperate those children. They need to stay with the family they are familiar with, grew up with and love...they have cousins, aunts and uncles by the plenty. They will want for nothing...you can see the compassion in them as the older ones comforted the younger child. Katherine Jackson although up in age, can get help with those children and hire their nanny back who has been with them from the start...I truly hope this doesn't turn out to be a tug of war between DR and KJ...

[LiveLaughLuv]

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family had been concerned, and according to both our sources, Michael Jackson would simply refuse to see anybody who tried to stop him from using drugs, one source saying that if you tried to deal with him, he would shut you out.

STEVE KARDIAN, FORMER POLICE DETECTIVE: Well, Nancy, I think that you`re going to see a number of charges come out of this. I mean Diprivan is a very difficult medication to get and I think that we`re going to be looking at a diversionary investigation in which doctors were taking this, for example, say, they took it out and they were going to use it on a victim that died. You`re going to find that this medication was then diverted elsewhere for illegitimate purposes.

Now, it`s my understanding that father Joe Jackson, the Jackson brothers are insisting he be buried at Neverland, a place that he eschewed. He hated it after the police raid over child molestation charges. So tonight, we don`t know where the body is. It`s kept under lock and key. It`s in a secure area. Why?

We confirm a portion of Jackson`s brain missing from the body, withheld for testing. And the Jackson family in-fighting boiling over, father, Joe Jackson, and the Jackson brothers pushing for burial in the back yard of Neverland, laying the groundwork for a Graceland-like Michael Jackson burial theme park. We learn sister Janet pled with Jackson and the family for an intervention to save his life. Well, that never happened after Jackson ordered his fleet of bodyguards to keep family away, even refusing calls from his 79-year-old mother.

Investigators reveal the superstar`s veins riddled with track marks, many veins actually collapsing from IV use, confirming an autopsy report surfacing last week many branded as a fake. Jackson`s skin paper white, white as a T-shirt, his head bald, his body emaciated, all in direct contrast to private video of Jackson`s full dress rehearsal just hours before his death. Multiple vials of drugs found in Jackson`s home, drugs banned for consumer use, only kept behind locked doors in the O.R., Jackson ingesting up to 10,000 prescription pills in just six months, five specific doctors now under suspicion of drugging an addict who happened to be a superstar.

As vultures circle Jackson`s dead body, the fate of his three children unknown.

Reminds me of Elvis, ANS and others who are faced by their family to intervene. If his sister Janet was begging Michael to stop his drug use and go into a rehab clinic, he banned them from himself. It's dangerous to be in denial and MJ seemed to be in denial. His veins were collapsed which tells me, he may have been doing this for many years...now I understand why he never wore short sleeves...he was hiding his track marks..so sad...

This is what I'm waiting for an arrest in the death of MJ..he should not have died...this drug is given to me as I go through my procedures on my spine. It is very dangerous, you need to be hooked up to a cardic machine to monitor your heart rate. This is not a drug for home use so whoever supplied it for MJ, they need to face the consequences...

I would like to see MJ buried at Neverland. He built that place and put everything he loved behind those gates since he wasn't able to enjoy what he likes in a public setting. He would be bombarded with hordes of people circling around to get a glimpse of this icon...

What a silly move to use an unsafe drug in your home, the doctors should have known better....He really was taken too soon...:cray:

[Roamer]

I say no to Neverland. If MJ hated the place, they're doing nothing but trying to make more money from his death.

Michael obviously, and for whatever reason, cut Joe off in life. He should have nothing to say about where he's buried.

[LiveLaughLuv]

I say no to Neverland. If MJ hated the place, they're doing nothing but trying to make more money from his death.
Michael obviously, and for whatever reason, cut Joe off in life. He should have nothing to say about where he's buried.

I hadn't heard MJ hated Neverland.

Who said he did?

I agree with Joe Jackson. Michael cut him out of his life, intentionally left him out of his will but I guess JJ feels he has rights to his son...I'm sure Katherine will keep him at bay..

[LiveLaughLuv]

After the sudden death of Michael Jackson Evan Chandler tells the truth.

In 1993, Chandler told a psychiatrist and police that he and Jackson had engaged in sexual acts that included oral sex, the boy gave detailed description of Jackson’s genitals. The case was settled out of court for a reported $22 million, but the strain led Jackson to begin taking painkillers. Eventually he became addicted.

Now maybe for the remorse of his death Chandler decides to tell us the truth.

Chandler states:

” I never meant to lie and destroy Michael Jackson but my father made me to tell only lies. Now i can’t tell Michael how much i’m sorry and if he will forgive
me ”.

Evan Chandler was tape-recorded saying amongst other things, “If I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever…

Under the influence of a controversial father (Jordan Chandler) told his son to tell that Jackson had touched his penis.Jordan Chandler then told a psychiatrist and later police that he and Jackson had engaged in acts of kissing, masturbation and oral sex, as well as giving a detailed description of what he alleged were the singer’s genitals.

” Now for the first time i can’t bare to lie anymore. Michael Jackson didn’t do anything to me, all was my father lies to escape from being poor.”
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-292502?ref=feeds%2Flatest


I don't know how reputable this article is but I found it interesting just the same.

I never felt MJ to be a pedophile, I always felt this was a get rich quick scheme. MJ has befriended many children, if he was molesting children there would have been many more to come forward. Corey Feldman, McCauley Culkin, this boy Ryan who died from AIDS (MJ's song, Gone too soon was written for him)..Michael had a heart for children and those ailing he tried to give them some happiness and his donations to charities tells me he truly loved children and felt for their plights...:girl_sad:

[Roamer]

It's been said in several articles on this thread. After the child molestation trial, MJ left Neverland, said there were too many bad memories there, and he never wanted to go back.

[snipped from post #92]
DREW: Yes. Absolutely. And what was said earlier was correct, what you said, Nancy. Michael did not want to be buried there. After he left, he planned never to go back. He felt violated after the home was raided by police during the second child molestation trial. He only stayed because it was close to the trial, and the day that he was set free, he left. He never went back. He never wanted anything more to do with it.

[LiveLaughLuv]

It's been said in several articles on this thread. After the child molestation trial, MJ left Neverland, said there were too many bad memories there, and he never wanted to go back.

[snipped from post #92]
DREW: Yes. Absolutely. And what was said earlier was correct, what you said, Nancy. Michael did not want to be buried there. After he left, he planned never to go back. He felt violated after the home was raided by police during the second child molestation trial. He only stayed because it was close to the trial, and the day that he was set free, he left. He never went back. He never wanted anything more to do with it.

I must've missed all those, Roamer...I did find an article that says he left Neverland due to the police violating it...I guess it makes sense, to MJ..

<<<<article snipped for purpose>>>>
However, plans for a Neverland public memorial and burial have been abandoned, and it’s unclear what will become of the cultural landmark now. Jackson himself left the land after his second trial for child-molestation charges (the police search of his home “violated” it, he said), and in November 2008 the ranch’s deed was transferred to Sycamore Valley Ranch Company, LLC and billionaire Thomas Barrack, a casualty of Jackson’s mounting debt, according to the Santa Barbara EdHat. The property’s amusement park rides were removed, and Jackson memorabilia headed to the auction block
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/07/02/michael-jacksons-neverland-what-should-happen-to-the-superstars-ranch/

[LiveLaughLuv]

By Alan Duke and Saeed Ahmed
CNN
LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Singer Michael Jackson took more than 10 Xanax pills a night, asking his employees to get the prescription sleep medicine under their names and also personally traveling to doctor's offices in other states to obtain them, said a confidential document from 2004 that CNN obtained Thursday.

Los Angeles detectives are waiting on the coroner's report on the death of Michael Jackson..

The document from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department contains confidential interviews conducted with two of Jackson's former security guards as officials prepared for Jackson's child molestation trial in 2005.

The singer was acquitted after the 14-week trial. But the information about the sleeping pills, and the lengths Jackson went to get them, adds to a growing mountain of claims tying the insomniac singer to drugs in recent days.

Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton said Thursday detectives have spoken to a number of doctors who have treated Jackson over the years, and are looking into the singer's prescription drug history.

Doctors who did not cooperate with investigators were issued subpoenas, a source told CNN Thursday. If needed, authorities will issue more, the source said.

Jackson died on June 25. Authorities are awaiting toxicology reports from the coroner's office to determine the exact cause of death.

"And based on those, we will have an idea of what it is we are dealing (with): are we dealing with a homicide or are we dealing with an accidental overdose?" Bratton said.

The speculation that prescription drugs, particularly sedatives, could have played a role in Jackson's death keeps coming up with each new nugget of information -- and there have been many.

The Jackson family knows that the probe into his death can turn into a criminal case, a source close to the family told CNN on Thursday.

"The family is aware of a potential criminal prosecution," said the source, who did not want to be identified.

The amount of Xanax that Jackson alleged took surprised CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Sanjay Gupta.

In addiction cases, people develop a tolerance to drugs and have to take more and more pills, Gupta said.

"No matter how you cut it, this is an extremely high dosage of Xanax," Gupta said. "It is a huge red flag, even with the tolerance that I was talking about. This dosage is exceedingly high for any human being."

Jackson's desperate attempt to battle his sleep disorder

The 2004 document details a dark picture of Jackson's attempts to battle his sleeping disorder.

One security guard that sheriff's deputies interviewed said he expressed his concern about Jackson's use of 10-plus pills a night to another staffer.

The second staffer replied: "Jackson was doing better because he was down from 30 to 40 Xanax pills a night," according to the document.

One of the guards said he and three other employees would get prescriptions for Jackson under their names.

The second guard backed up the claim, saying he had picked up medicine for the singer that were in other people's names.

The document contains the names of five doctors -- some in California, some in New York and Florida. It was not immediately clear whether police have spoken to them as part of their investigation into Jackson's death.

After the doctor visits, Jackson would be "out of it and sedated," one guard said.

According to the sheriff's office document, the guard who provided the bulk of the information quit his job after Jackson "fell on his face" in a hotel room and hurt himself. The employee told Jackson he was not comfortable getting prescriptions for him and left, he later told investigators.

Years later in 2006, Jackson was in Las Vegas trying to jump-start his career. Deal maker Jack Wishna, who was helping the singer land a long-running show in Vegas, told CNN the singer would appear "drugged up" and "incoherent" -- often so weak and emaciated he had to use a wheelchair to get around.

The comeback shows were canceled because of Jackson's condition, Wishna said.

Around that time, sister Janet Jackson was so worried about Jackson that she tried to stage an intervention with assistance from her other brothers, two sources close to the Jackson family told CNN Wednesday.

Jackson reportedly ordered his security guards not to let the family members in. He also refused to take calls from his mother, Katherine, CNN has learned.

At the time, the Jackson family released a statement to People magazine denying the alleged intervention. But Janet Jackson was not among the signatories.

Along with the police investigation, which is being aided by the state attorney general's office and the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Los Angeles County coroner's office has also drawn up a list of Jackson's doctors and is trying to talk to them to determine what drugs they may have prescribed him.

Among them are Dr. Arnold Klein, Jackson's dermatologist, and Dr. Conrad Murray, his cardiologist.

Klein told CNN Wednesday that Jackson was addicted to drugs at one point but had kicked the habit.

Murray, who has been interviewed by police, has repeatedly said he will withhold comment until the coroner's tests are back.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/10/jackson.thursday/


I can't imagine anyone taking that many Xanax, claims are Michael was down from 30-40 xanax pills to 10 pills a night...that is truly alot of medicine. I know a resistance is built but darn that's still so much..

Murray needs to start worrying, since he was the last one to see Michael alive, he may have some repurcussions from that encounter...

[Roamer]

I don't think there's much doubt that Michael was addicted to prescription medication.

But he was 50 years old. He could say yes or no. Unfortunately, he said yes.

On his part I think it was accidental. He didn't want to die.

The doctors should stop seeing stars and look at what they're doing to the people they treat.

[Trailblazer]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090710/ap_on_en_mu/us_michael_jackson_investigation

LAPD: Michael Jackson's drug history to be probed

Detectives investigating the death of Michael Jackson are looking at his prescription drug history and trying to talk with his numerous former doctors, the Los Angeles police chief said.

Jackson's father, Joe Jackson, told ABC News in an interview that he believed "foul play" was involved in his son's death. But in the interview aired Friday on "Good Morning America," Jackson did not elaborate.

Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton told CNN that police are waiting for the coroner's report before ruling out any possibilities in their "comprehensive" investigation into the sudden death of the 50-year-old pop star two weeks ago.

The coroner's report will determine the cause of death and hinges on time-consuming toxicology tests.

"Based on those we'll have an idea of what we're dealing with," Bratton said Thursday. "Are we dealing with homicide? Are we dealing with an accidental overdose? What are we dealing with?"

Bratton said detectives are gathering evidence, including items seized from Jackson's rented home and arranging interviews with his many physicians, but the police chief deferred to the coroner to determine the cause of death.

"The next move really is his," Bratton said. "We're not marking time waiting for his report."

The Drug Enforcement Administration and the state attorney general's office, which keeps a database of prescription drugs, are assisting investigators.

An attorney for Dr. Arnold Klein, one of Jackson's many physicians, told the Los Angeles Times that the dermatologist was subpoenaed for medical records, which he turned over to the county coroner's office.

Bratton refused to discuss details of the case.

Jackson, who died June 25, had a well-known history of using prescription medications, especially painkillers. Following his death, Cherilyn Lee, a registered nurse who had worked for Jackson, told The Associated Press she repeatedly rejected his demands for the potent anesthetic Diprivan, also known as Propofol.

Jackson had multiple doctors, friends and staff who came in and out of his life. Which people were being interviewed by police was unclear because the LAPD has said virtually nothing about the probe.

Joe Jackson said he didn't know anything about drugs his son was involved in.

"I don't even know the name of them," he said. "I do know that whatever he was taking was to make him rest because he had been working so hard."

Police towed a doctor's car from Jackson's home hours after he died and said later it could contain medication or other evidence. Coroner's officials also said Jackson was taking prescription medication but declined to elaborate.

Meanwhile, Joe Jackson told ABC that he and his wife, Katherine, should have custody of Michael's three children. "They'll grow up to be strong Jacksons," he said.

He said Michael's daughter, Paris, who spoke at the Tuesday memorial service, was taking the death hard and was crying whenever Michael's name is mentioned. He said that she might have a future in the entertainment business along with the youngest son, nicknamed Blanket, who "can really dance."

[Trailblazer]

Jackson Used Employees' Names to Score Drugs

Michael Jackson went to a variety of doctors to get strong narcotics and used multiple aliases (including the names of several employees), this according to notes compiled during the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's investigation back in 2004.

Sheriff's detectives interviewed Chris Carter, who worked as Jackson's bodyguard prior to the Sheriff's raid of Jackson's home in 2003. According to Sheriff's Department notes obtained by TMZ, Carter said he would get Xanax prescriptions for Jackson under various fictitious names. Carter told detectives that Jackson would even use his name and the names of other employees to score prescriptions.

In addition to using his name, Carter said Jackson would use the names of Frank Tyson (a Jackson employee who was a prominent figure in the molestation trial, having had numerous contacts with the accuser's family), Jesus Salas (Ranch manager) and Joe Marcus (another Jackson employee) to get prescriptions.

Various pill bottles were found at Jackson's Neverland Ranch. One bottle of Alprazolam (generic for Xanax) was prescribed for Frank Tyson by Dr. Arnold Klein. A bottle of Prednisone found at the Ranch was also prescribed by Dr. Klein in the name of Peter Midani.

A bottle of Percocet, a narcotic painkiller, was found with the name Michael Armstrong, prescribed by Dr. Gerald Labiner.

A bottle of ERY-TAB, an antibiotic, was found with the name "M,M." The prescribing doctor was Dr. Carey Logan from Las Vegas.

A prescription receipt from a pharmacy was found for Alprazolam (generic Xanax) and written for Frank Tyson by Dr. William VanValin. Another receipt from Dr. VanValin was for written for Xanax in the name of Manuel Rivera.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/jackson-used-employees-names-to-score-drugs/

photos of drugs at link

[Trailblazer]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/jackson-doc-offers-potent-narcotic-solution/

Jackson Doc Offers 'Potent Narcotic' Solution

Posted Jul 10th 2009 2:20AM by TMZ Staff

One of Michael Jackson's doctors wanted Michael Jackson to trade his dependence on Demerol for another "potent narcotic."

Dr. Alex Farshchian wrote Michael Jackson a letter -- dated July 21, 2002 -- in which he writes, "Buprinex (sic) is the potent narcotic I told you about last week. It is just like the D but better." Buprenex is an injectable narcotic painkiller.

During a search of Neverland, Santa Barbara County Sheriff's deputies seized a scribbled note -- which may have been written by Jackson and found around his drug stash -- that says "Buprenex does the same as demerol, the only difference is you can't become an addict on Buprenex." The note refers to Buprenex as "synthetic demeroll (sic)." It goes on: "2 viles, I would feel safe having it in case of axident (sic)."

Our research shows if Buprenex is taken for long periods of time or at high doses, it can become addictive.

The doctor refers in his letter to a "5-7 day program that offers you the solution." The doctor does not explain the program.

[Trailblazer]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/raid-at-michael-jacksons-neverland-ranch-netted-heavy-drugs/

Raid at Jackson's Netted Heavy Drugs

Santa Barbara County Sheriff's deputies who raided Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch back in 2003 found a syringe, powerful narcotics, vials and IV bags containing what could be anesthesia.

We've obtained the documents from the Sheriff's Department detailing what was found in the search. Among the items ...

-- A vial of Versed -- a powerful sedative
-- Several IV bags containing "a milky white fluid, located in a small cardboard box on top of the bathtub." Propofol and other anesthesias are milky white. As we first reported, Propofol was in Jackson's home the day he died.
-- A vial of Promethazine -- an antihistamine with strong sedative effects
-- A bottle of Alprazolam (generic for Xanax, a powerful anti-anxiety drug)
-- A bottle of Percocet -- a painkiller
-- A syringe
-- A vial with Demerol in it
-- Numerous loose pills outside bottles
-- A bottle of Prednisone -- a steroid
-- Ery-tab -- an antibiotic
-- Prescriptions for Xanax that had been filled
-- A prescription for Alprazolam
-- Oxygen tanks
-- IV stands

[Firehead]

I don't remember these items being part of the trial. Wouldn't you think that it would have been made public back then?

Jackson himself left the land after his second trial for child-molestation charges ? I don't remember there being a second trial at all.

I think if Jackson had his choice now? I would think he would be at Neverland. Where fans could still be a part of him in death. He sure did love his fans.

Oh and 2 of the 3 videos arrived yesterday. I can now watch the music videos on the big screen.

[Emyo]

I don't remember these items being part of the trial. Wouldn't you think that it would have been made public back then?

Jackson himself left the land after his second trial for child-molestation charges ? I don't remember there being a second trial at all.

I think if Jackson had his choice now? I would think he would be at Neverland. Where fans could still be a part of him in death. He sure did love his fans.

Oh and 2 of the 3 videos arrived yesterday. I can now watch the music videos on the big screen.


No charges were filed in the "first" one. I think it was in the early 90's and the parents (maybe just the father) filed a civil suit against Michael and got a lot of money. The family's name in the civil suit was Chandler.

And about that drug evidence that TMZ is throwing out there. Why wasn't something done at the time that LE had all that evidence???
jmo

[Firehead]

No charges were filed in the "first" one. I think it was in the early 90's and the parents (maybe just the father) filed a civil suit against Michael and got a lot of money. The family's name in the civil suit was Chandler.

And about that drug evidence that TMZ is throwing out there. Why wasn't something done at the time that LE had all that evidence???
jmo

I don't know if this is just a bullchit report or not. You would think that this would have been made public during the trial.

That was my point, there was no second trial. There was an allegation and Jackson's insurance company paid out money. This set the standard for any other claim against Jackson to be made.

[annalyzer]

I don't know how reputable this article is but I found it interesting just the same.



It's not. There has never been a link to any reputable news source.

[Battnt]

Jackson Docs Not Cooperating, Coroner Claims

Posted Jul 10th 2009 10:35AM by TMZ Staff

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ two doctors who treated Michael Jackson have not been forthcoming with their medical records.

Sources say Dr. Arnold Klein and Dr. Conrad Murray have not turned over the medical records the L.A. County Coroner's office has requested. We're told both doctors have turned over some records, but the coroner's office has not gotten the complete file from either doctor.

And there's this ... We've learned a driver for Michael Jackson told coroner's officials shortly after Jackson's death that the singer was going to Dr. Klein's office multiple times a week in the months preceding his death and sometimes would spend 3 to 4 hours inside.

The driver told coroner's officials Jackson appeared disoriented when he left Klein's office. This is consistent with what a bodyguard told Santa Barbara County Sheriff's deputies in 2004 ... when Jackson left the offices of Klein and other doctors.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/michael-jackson-doctors-not-cooperating-coroner-claims/

[Sioux_Girl]

Clip from a interview with Joe Jackson

http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=a6e8afac-3b5a-4f11-b6f9-4296808b931a


Weird thing...all these reports about Klein being the "biological" father and he wont co operate with the authorities and people saying when Michael came out of his office he was out of it and alos that after Michaels death he phoned Debbie telling her to go for the kids (and get the money obviously ) it does kinda make you wonder whether Joe has a point about the foul play.

[annalyzer]

Jackson Docs Not Cooperating, Coroner Claims

Posted Jul 10th 2009 10:35AM by TMZ Staff

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ two doctors who treated Michael Jackson have not been forthcoming with their medical records.




What was Klein treating him for?

[Ann]

It's been said in several articles on this thread. After the child molestation trial, MJ left Neverland, said there were too many bad memories there, and he never wanted to go back.

[snipped from post #92]
DREW: Yes. Absolutely. And what was said earlier was correct, what you said, Nancy. Michael did not want to be buried there. After he left, he planned never to go back. He felt violated after the home was raided by police during the second child molestation trial. He only stayed because it was close to the trial, and the day that he was set free, he left. He never went back. He never wanted anything more to do with it.

IMO Nancy Grace and company are not a good source of info. There was only one trial not two. The first allegation was settled out of court and he was found not guilty in his trial.

[Battnt]

What was Klein treating him for?

Not sure Anna...I know he had treated him in the past for a few things, but other than that, I'm clueless....lol

[Ann]

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Singer Michael Jackson took more than 10 Xanax pills a night, asking his employees to get the prescription medicine under their names and also personally traveling to doctors' offices in other states to obtain them, said a confidential document from 2004 that CNN obtained Thursday.


The document from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department contains confidential interviews conducted with two of Jackson's former security guards as officials prepared for Jackson's child molestation trial in 2005...

Jackson's attempt to battle sleep disorder

The 2004 document details a dark picture of Jackson's attempts to battle his sleeping disorder.

One security guard that sheriff's deputies interviewed said he expressed his concern about Jackson's use of 10-plus pills a night to another staffer.

The second staffer replied: "Jackson was doing better because he was down from 30 to 40 Xanax pills a night," according to the document.

One of the guards said he and three other employees would get prescriptions for Jackson under their names.

The second guard backed up the claim, saying he had picked up medicine for the singer that were in other people's names.

The document contains the names of five doctors -- some in California, some in New York and Florida. It was not immediately clear whether police have spoken to them as part of their investigation into Jackson's death.

After the doctor visits, Jackson would be "out of it and sedated," one guard said.

According to the sheriff's office document, the guard who provided the bulk of the information quit his job after Jackson "fell on his face" in a hotel room and hurt himself. The employee told Jackson he was not comfortable getting prescriptions for him and left, he later told investigators.

Years later in 2006, Jackson was in Las Vegas trying to jump-start his career. Deal maker Jack Wishna, who was helping the singer land a long-running show in Vegas, told CNN the singer would appear "drugged up" and "incoherent" -- often so weak and emaciated he had to use a wheelchair to get around.

The comeback shows were canceled because of Jackson's condition, Wishna said.

Around that time, sister Janet Jackson was so worried about Jackson that she tried to stage an intervention with assistance from her other brothers, two sources close to the Jackson family told CNN Wednesday.

Jackson reportedly ordered his security guards not to let the family members in. He also refused to take calls from his mother, Katherine, CNN has learned.

At the time, the Jackson family released a statement to People magazine denying the alleged intervention. But Janet Jackson was not among the signatories."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/10/jackson.thursday/index.html

*********

So my BIG question is if police authorities knew this in 2004, why didn't they do anything about it then? Maybe if the authorities had intervened then Michael would be alive now. IMO LE enabled the enablers and are worse than they are.

[annalyzer]

Not sure Anna...I know he had treated him in the past for a few things, but other than that, I'm clueless....lol

Was he the dermatologist? Treating him for his skin discolorations?
I'm trying to figure out what treatments would take several hours several times a week. :waitasec:

[Sioux_Girl]

What was Klein treating him for?

His skin condition?

[Ann]

Jackson Docs Not Cooperating, Coroner Claims

Posted Jul 10th 2009 10:35AM by TMZ Staff

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ two doctors who treated Michael Jackson have not been forthcoming with their medical records.

Sources say Dr. Arnold Klein and Dr. Conrad Murray have not turned over the medical records the L.A. County Coroner's office has requested. We're told both doctors have turned over some records, but the coroner's office has not gotten the complete file from either doctor.

And there's this ... We've learned a driver for Michael Jackson told coroner's officials shortly after Jackson's death that the singer was going to Dr. Klein's office multiple times a week in the months preceding his death and sometimes would spend 3 to 4 hours inside.

The driver told coroner's officials Jackson appeared disoriented when he left Klein's office. This is consistent with what a bodyguard told Santa Barbara County Sheriff's deputies in 2004 ... when Jackson left the offices of Klein and other doctors.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/michael-jackson-doctors-not-cooperating-coroner-claims/
Well, in Klein's defense he did say he was working on Michael's face and said he did sedate him when he did.

Yesterday I saw Klein walking with crutches on the news, and I have noticed that he has a slight slur when he talks. I wonder if he has MS.:confused:

[Ann]

Was he the dermatologist? Treating him for his skin discolorations?
I'm trying to figure out what treatments would take several hours several times a week. :waitasec:He also worked on other procedures like repairing his nose. He did more than just treat his skin.

If you saw the Larry King interview with Klein, there is not love lost between him and Joe Jackson. Klein had little good to say about Joe.

[Firehead]

Clip from a interview with Joe Jackson

http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=a6e8afac-3b5a-4f11-b6f9-4296808b931a


Weird thing...all these reports about Klein being the "biological" father and he wont co operate with the authorities and people saying when Michael came out of his office he was out of it and alos that after Michaels death he phoned Debbie telling her to go for the kids (and get the money obviously ) it does kinda make you wonder whether Joe has a point about the foul play.


I suggested the same thing right after Jackson died and it was reported that DR was going to file for custody of the children. And yes, it does make me wonder.... a lot.

[Ann]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090710/ap_on_en_mu/us_michael_jackson_investigation

LAPD: Michael Jackson's drug history to be probed

Detectives investigating the death of Michael Jackson are looking at his prescription drug history and trying to talk with his numerous former doctors, the Los Angeles police chief said.

Jackson's father, Joe Jackson, told ABC News in an interview that he believed "foul play" was involved in his son's death. But in the interview aired Friday on "Good Morning America," Jackson did not elaborate.

Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton told CNN that police are waiting for the coroner's report before ruling out any possibilities in their "comprehensive" investigation into the sudden death of the 50-year-old pop star two weeks ago.

The coroner's report will determine the cause of death and hinges on time-consuming toxicology tests.

"Based on those we'll have an idea of what we're dealing with," Bratton said Thursday. "Are we dealing with homicide? Are we dealing with an accidental overdose? What are we dealing with?"

Bratton said detectives are gathering evidence, including items seized from Jackson's rented home and arranging interviews with his many physicians, but the police chief deferred to the coroner to determine the cause of death.

"The next move really is his," Bratton said. "We're not marking time waiting for his report."

The Drug Enforcement Administration and the state attorney general's office, which keeps a database of prescription drugs, are assisting investigators.

An attorney for Dr. Arnold Klein, one of Jackson's many physicians, told the Los Angeles Times that the dermatologist was subpoenaed for medical records, which he turned over to the county coroner's office.

Bratton refused to discuss details of the case.

Jackson, who died June 25, had a well-known history of using prescription medications, especially painkillers. Following his death, Cherilyn Lee, a registered nurse who had worked for Jackson, told The Associated Press she repeatedly rejected his demands for the potent anesthetic Diprivan, also known as Propofol.

Jackson had multiple doctors, friends and staff who came in and out of his life. Which people were being interviewed by police was unclear because the LAPD has said virtually nothing about the probe.

Joe Jackson said he didn't know anything about drugs his son was involved in.

"I don't even know the name of them," he said. "I do know that whatever he was taking was to make him rest because he had been working so hard."

Police towed a doctor's car from Jackson's home hours after he died and said later it could contain medication or other evidence. Coroner's officials also said Jackson was taking prescription medication but declined to elaborate.

Meanwhile, Joe Jackson told ABC that he and his wife, Katherine, should have custody of Michael's three children. "They'll grow up to be strong Jacksons," he said.

He said Michael's daughter, Paris, who spoke at the Tuesday memorial service, was taking the death hard and was crying whenever Michael's name is mentioned. He said that she might have a future in the entertainment business along with the youngest son, nicknamed Blanket, who "can really dance."

What did I say last week about Joe wanting the "Jackson Three" as his artists for his new record company?

:puke:

[Sioux_Girl]

He also worked on other procedures like repairing his nose. He did more than just treat his skin.

If you saw the Larry King interview with Klein, there is not love lost between him and Joe Jackson. Klein had little good to say about Joe.

The thing is..IF thats what Klein had been doing why would the bodyguards find it so odd that he was out of it when Michael came out of Kleins office?

[Emyo]

The thing is..IF thats what Klein had been doing why would the bodyguards find it so odd that he was out of it when Michael came out of Kleins office?

Because it is what the media wants to hear, imo.

[Ann]

The thing is..IF thats what Klein had been doing why would the bodyguards find it so odd that he was out of it when Michael came out of Kleins office?Fifteen minutes of fame?

I think we'll see a lot of this. My question is who in the LE investigation is leaking all this info in a sealed investigation? I question that person's motives and ethics.

[Alibar]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/09/war-erupts-over-mjs-memorial-cost/

War Erupts over MJ's Memorial Cost

The battle over the cost of Michael Jackson's memorial has officially begun -- as an L.A. city councilman and the president of AEG traded licks today about who's responsible for the ceremony's hefty price tag.


Councilman Dennis Zine told KTTV today that taxpayers "are getting ripped off" because AEG made $50,000 by charging the media to use risers outside the venue. Zine said AEG should grow a pair and cough up some cash.

AEG President Tim Leiweke immediately swung back, saying Zine was out of line because the company helped secure funds for the L.A. Lakers championship parade last month.

IMO, if the city of Los Angeles doesn't like that AEG profited rather than donating the center, too bad. If the city thinks the money should be shared, such arrangement had to be made beforehand.

[Sioux_Girl]

I suggested the same thing right after Jackson died and it was reported that DR was going to file for custody of the children. And yes, it does make me wonder.... a lot.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/88473/JACKO-KIDS-REAL-PARENTS/

THEY embrace like any husband and wife in this amazing picture on the front cover of today's Daily Star.


But Debbie Rowe and her former boss Arnold Klein – Michael Jackson’s skin doctor – are said to have signed a £10million legal deal never to reveal the truth over claims they are the real parents of Jacko’s eldest two children.

The star’s ex-wife Debbie Rowe and her skin expert former boss Arnold Klein are caught playing doctors and nurses in his surgery.



The pair are keeping mum over claims that Dr Klein is dad to Michael Jackson’s eldest two kids because of an alleged £10million legal gagging deal.



But, as this picture shows, the children are dead-ringers for Debbie, 48, and her ex-boss.



Both Paris and Prince Michael I have bachelor Dr Klein’s dark skin and eyes.

The picture– taken at Dr Klein’s plush Beverly Hills surgery, where Jacko was a patient and first met Debbie – show how comfortable the co-workers were.


And it seems clear they were more than just work colleagues.



One cheeky snap shows Debbie straddling a doctor’s chair, legs akimbo. In another the doctor looks into her eyes and hugs her.


Yesterday Dr Klein fuelled speculation by admitting on live TV that he had been a sperm donor.


But he would not comment on claims he is dad to Prince Michael I, 12, and Paris, 11.


Debbie has angrily denied being just a surrogate, insisting she is the real biological deal. But the real father is still a mystery.


Hollywood insider Diane Dimond said: “I have long heard that this was an agreement between Michael Jackson, Debbie Rowe and Arnie Klein: Arnie Klein would provide the sperm, Debbie Rowe would provide the egg and she would give birth to babies for Michael.


“It was sort of an open secret among a small cadre of people close to Jackson.”


A family insider added: “Arnie is the dad. He and Debbie signed an agreement to never reveal the truth.”


Dr Klein told chat show host Larry King, 75, that he had once donated sperm.


But he added: “To the best of my knowledge, I am not the father of the children.”


Debbie gave Jackson full custody of the children when they divorced in 1999.


She stayed silent on the marriage until his death two weeks ago, when she said: “The settlement was written up, and he just wanted me to be quiet.”


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[Sioux_Girl]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/michael-injection-marks-in-jacksons-neck/

Michael Jackson had injection sites on his neck, according to law enforcement sources.

As we first reported, Jackson had "dozens" of injection sites and punctures all over his body the day he died. Law enforcement sources tell us some of these injection sites and punctures were old and some were fresh. They were found, we're told, on his upper arms, upper legs, ankles, inside around his knees and the neck.

Dr. Arnold Klein told Larry King, "I never saw needle marks on his body." Klein, who saw Jackson multiple times in the weeks before his death, did not explain why he didn't notice marks on the singer's neck and other places

So Michael was with Klein all those hours...and Klein supposedly did all this work and yet he claims he didnt see anything?? And hes not co operating?? Okay...

[Sioux_Girl]

Michael Jackson - High Exits

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/michael-jackson-doctor-visits-video/

Posted Jul 10th 2009 11:50AM by TMZ Staff

As we first reported, Michael Jackson's driver told coroner employees MJ appeared disoriented as he left Dr. Arnie Klein's office in the weeks leading up to his death. We compiled video of Michael's exits from April-June -- outside Klein's office. Check it out and decide for yourself

[Sioux_Girl]

Neverland Raid - the ranch pics

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/neverland-ranch-the-raid-photos/

[Sioux_Girl]

Jackson self injecting

A doctor who treated Michael Jackson claimed the singer self-injected Demerol into his system.

We've combed through tens of thousands of pages of the official file for the 2005 molestation trial. In the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's notes, a member of Jackson's security detail -- retired L.A. County Sheriff's deputy Michael Laperruque -- said some doctors were trying to get Jackson off of Demerol, and that one of the doctor's in Santa Barbara "was upset with JACKSON because he had been self-injecting."

Laperruque told detectives he had picked up Jackson's prescriptions for the singer, usually under the name Chris Carter. Carter was one of Jackson's bodyguards.

Laperruque also told detectives one time when he was at Neverland his job was to keep Jackson's family out because they were planning an intervention

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/jackson-self-injecting-demerol-doctor-says/

[Sioux_Girl]

Fifteen minutes of fame?

I think we'll see a lot of this. My question is who in the LE investigation is leaking all this info in a sealed investigation? I question that person's motives and ethics.

To be honest...this guy - UNLIKE Klein was simply cooperating with the coroner. He had no reason to lie.

[Firehead]

Neverland Raid - the ranch pics

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/neverland-ranch-the-raid-photos/


Man did those police trash that house. Of course I have a question, the kids kept saying about being given alcohol and the cops didn't think the drugs would be important to the case? :frustratedf: Me thinks someone is lying here.


By the way, most of the evidence involving drugs was never admitted at trial, because authorities felt it was not relevant to the molestation charge. Most of this evidence hasn't surfaced until we combed through tens of thousands of documents and photos.

[Trailblazer]

What did I say last week about Joe wanting the "Jackson Three" as his artists for his new record company?

:puke:

Yep you did...and it upsets me that he might be involved in the childrens lives

[Sioux_Girl]

Yep you did...and it upsets me that he might be involved in the childrens lives

A question though - do you think Klein should be involved in the childrens lives? Even if he is the "father"?

[Ann]

Michael Jackson - High Exits

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/michael-jackson-doctor-visits-video/

Posted Jul 10th 2009 11:50AM by TMZ Staff

As we first reported, Michael Jackson's driver told coroner employees MJ appeared disoriented as he left Dr. Arnie Klein's office in the weeks leading up to his death. We compiled video of Michael's exits from April-June -- outside Klein's office. Check it out and decide for yourself

IMO that video is ridiculous. You can't tell anything from that.

[Firehead]

A question though - do you think Klein should be involved in the childrens lives? Even if he is the "father"?


I think this info was released in the high hopes that $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ will be coming their way.

As to Klein being involved in the children's lives, no.

[Ann]

Yep you did...and it upsets me that he might be involved in the childrens lives

What especially bothered me is when he said HE and Katherine should have custody.

[annalyzer]

Michael Jackson - High Exits

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/michael-jackson-doctor-visits-video/

Posted Jul 10th 2009 11:50AM by TMZ Staff

As we first reported, Michael Jackson's driver told coroner employees MJ appeared disoriented as he left Dr. Arnie Klein's office in the weeks leading up to his death. We compiled video of Michael's exits from April-June -- outside Klein's office. Check it out and decide for yourself


He looks and acts fine to me. Just trying to avoid all the cameras and people. I can't imagine having to live like that.

[Trailblazer]

What especially bothered me is when he said HE and Katherine should have custody.

Me too...I caught that....sure hope not

[Ann]

He looks and acts fine to me. Just trying to avoid all the cameras and people. I can't imagine having to live like that.That was my same thought. IIRC after Diana died, I thought they made an ordinance in LA that the media had to stay a certain distance away and weren't allowed to mob celebrities like that.

[Ann]

Me too...I caught that....sure hope notI think the more Joe talks, the more ammunition he's giving Debbie Rowe if she does go after custody.

[Alibar]

IMO, it is repulsive and disgusting that media strives to track down the sperm donors of Michael's children. Michael Jackson is the father. When has it been necessary for the sperm donor to be known unless the people involved disclose it. I do so hope the sperm donors are NEVER revealed.

[Ann]

IMO, it is repulsive and disgusting that media strives to track down the sperm donors of Michael's children. Michael Jackson is the father. When has it been necessary for the sperm donor to be known unless the people involved disclose it. I do so hope the sperm donors are NEVER revealed.
I agree. Biological paternal parenthood has no impact on the will at all and should not be an issue.

I was a little disappointed in Diane Sawyer for even asking that. I thought she was better than that.

[Sioux_Girl]

To be honest...if Klein thinks it was Debbie who said hes the "sperm donor" then..you cant really blame the media if there being fed this. The media can only report what they are told - and for rating they will try and give stories they think the public want to hear.

Btw biological parentage IS a issue IMO if...he is found to be the "donor" and he was giving Michael drugs he shouldnt have been which possibly led to his dieing.

The problem is ..the children get lost in all this :(

[Alibar]

To be honest...if Klein thinks it was Debbie who said hes the "sperm donor" then..you cant really blame the media if there being fed this. The media can only report what they are told - and for rating they will try and give stories they think the public want to hear.

Btw biological parentage IS a issue IMO if...he is found to be the "donor" and he was giving Michael drugs he shouldnt have been which possibly led to his dieing.

The problem is ..the children get lost in all this :(

Sioux, I'm too much aware many in the public want to know every breath a celebrity breathes and the media is anxious to feed the hunger and I realize it's pointless to object. )))))))

[Ann]

To be honest...if Klein thinks it was Debbie who said hes the "sperm donor" then..you cant really blame the media if there being fed this. The media can only report what they are told - and for rating they will try and give stories they think the public want to hear.

Btw biological parentage IS a issue IMO if...he is found to be the "donor" and he was giving Michael drugs he shouldnt have been which possibly led to his dieing.

The problem is ..the children get lost in all this :(

I don't think there's any connection between the two. Whether or not he was "feeding" drugs we don't know. Maybe we should wait for the autopsy results before destroying someone's reputation as a doctor--a doctor who wasn't even present at the scene.

I think there may be an agenda with whoever is leaking info--funny how Klein and Murray are identifed and none of the other doctors under investigation are.

Even Mikko Brando, Michael's long time friend, was asked last night on LKL if he was Blanket's father. He looked startled and laughed and said "no". You could tell how disgusted he was at the whole discussion--IMO.

Frankly, I don't think that who is the bio dad is anyone's business.

[Sioux_Girl]

I don't think there's any connection between the two. Whether or not he was "feeding" drugs we don't know. Maybe we should wait for the autopsy results before destroying someone's reputation as a doctor--a doctor who wasn't even present at the scene.

I think there may be an agenda with whoever is leaking info--funny how Klein and Murray are identifed and none of the other doctors under investigation are.

Even Mikko Brando, Michael's long time friend, was asked last night on LKL if he was Blanket's father. He looked startled and laughed and said "no". You could tell how disgusted he was at the whole discussion--IMO.

Frankly, I don't that who is the bio dad is anyone's business.

Ofc..if he doesnt want to risk his reputation he could co operate with the authorities who are trying to find out how Michael died. Quite frankly - if hes not giving records as reported then to be honest..hes making himself look like he has something to hide

MOO

[Ann]

Ofc..if he doesnt want to risk his reputation he could co operate with the authorities who are trying to find out how Michael died. Quite frankly - if hes not giving records as reported then to be honest..hes making himself look like he has something to hide

MOO
Who is saying he's not cooperating? The "unnamed sources" again who are leaking info to the media in a sealed investigation?

[Emyo]

Michael Jackson's health records are subpoenaed
Multiple doctors are being asked by the L.A. County coroner's office to provide information on the singer's treatments, sources say.
By Richard Winton, Harriet Ryan and Cara Mia DiMassa
July 10, 2009

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jackson-doctors10-2009jul10,0,2974581.story



~from the link~

A source who has seen one of the coroner's office subpoenas said it asked for "any and all" of Jackson's medical records "including radiology and psychiatric records."

An attorney for Dr. Arnold Klein, a Beverly Hills dermatologist who treated Jackson for nearly 25 years, said his client was among those receiving a formal request from the coroner's office.


"It was a standard form subpoena and we turned over medical records to the medical examiner in response," said lawyer Richard Charnley.

[Ann]

While officials are awaiting the results of toxicology tests conducted by the coroner's office the day after Jackson's death, they warn that those tests may not answer all the questions. For example, sources have told The Times that detectives found large amounts of the powerful anesthetic Diprivan at Jackson's home. But experts said that the drug moves through the body quickly and might not show up in some tests.

It's an extremely potent drug that is supposed to be dispensed by a person trained to administer anesthesia.

Paul Wischmeyer, an anesthesiologist at the University of Colorado who co-wrote a 2007 study of Diprivan abuse for the journal Anesthesia & Analgesia, said that Diprivan would be "probably undetectable" in the bloodstream in 20 minutes after a single dose.

But he said that there are other ways that pathologists have used to identify the presence of the drug in autopsies, if they know what to look for.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jackson-doctors10-2009jul10,0,2974581.story

There was a doctor discussing this on the news who had spoken to a pathologist about it. He said that they may be able to detect compontent compounds of Diprivan in the liver even if it's no longer in the blood.

[Tam5115]

What was Klein treating him for?

Klein was a dermatologist. somewhere on here is a link to an interview he gave to Larry King. He said he not only treated/diagnosed the Lupus and Vitiligo, but that he had also rebuilt Michael's nose. Something about the nose had become too small and the cartilage collapsed. He did some kind of injections into his nose over a period of time.

After watching that, I did notice his nose looked much better during his press conference for the new tour.

[Ann]

Who is Dr. Arnold Klein?
Friday, May 22, 2009 at 5:36pm

Dr. Arnold William Klein was born on February 27, 1945 in Mt. Clemens, Michigan and was raised in Michigan and Miami, Florida. He graduated cum laude with a Bachelor of Arts degree in Biology from the University of Pennsylvania in 1967. In 1971, he graduated cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa from the University of Pennsylvania, School of Medicine. Dr. Klein completed his post-graduate education as a medical intern at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles and went on to complete medical residencies in dermatology at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania and the University of California at Los Angeles where he was the Chief Resident in Dermatology in 1975.

For over 30 years, Dr. Klein has offered the very best in dermatology and cosmetic surgery. He is considered the father of modern cosmetic dermatology and has been in the forefront of the latest treatments in this field, including developing minimally invasive injection techniques for physical enhancement fillers such as Botox, Collagen, and Restylane that are used around the world today. He has received numerous awards and honors, including recognition in Who’s Who in the World, Best Doctors in America and Men of Achievement.

Not only does Dr. Klein run a very busy, prestigious practice, but he’s also a Professor of Medicine and Dermatology at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA and an emeritus attending physician at the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. In addition, the UCLA Division of Dermatology named an endowed chair to honor Dr. Klein. The Arnold Klein, MD Chair in Dermatology promotes the rapid application of basic science and clinical research discoveries to the development of new dermatology therapies.

Throughout his career, Dr. Klein has been deeply involved in philanthropy. In the early days of the AIDS crisis, Dr. Klein was the first physician to diagnose a case of Kaposi’s sarcoma in Southern California. This was the beginning of what has become a 25-year commitment to treating and finding a cure for AIDS. In 1984, in the living room of his Los Angeles home, Dr. Klein, along with David Geffen, Dr. Mathilde Krim, and others, founded the American Foundation for AIDS Research (amfAR). Dr. Klein continues to serve as the Founding Member and Director. Most recently, in honor of his dear friend Dame Elizabeth Taylor, Dr. Klein established the endowment for the Elizabeth Taylor Center for AIDS Research, Treatment and Education at UCLA, a facility with an international reputation in HIV/AIDS care. In an article related to AIDS in Africa in the November 2008 issue of L’Uomo Vogue, it was reported that Dr. Klein and the organizations he founded have raised in excess of 274 million dollars for HIV research and care.

Dr. Klein also serves as a Trustee to numerous Boards of Directors, including the Jennifer Jones-Simon Foundation, the UCLA Center for the Health Sciences, and The Hereditary Disease Foundation. The Hereditary Disease Foundation discovered the first gene for Huntington’s chorea. Dr. Klein, along with his longtime friend Frank Gehry (one of the world’s most influential architects), works with the foundation to raise funds and awareness for inherited diseases. Dr. Klein is also the founder of the Rose-Tarlow-Arnold W. Klein Breast Cancer Foundation at UCLA, established to provide breast cancer treatment for individuals who are unable to afford it.

Dr. Klein has published nearly 150 scientific papers in such prestigious peer-reviewed journals as the New England Journal of Medicine, Science Magazine and JAMA. He has written four medical textbooks, including his most recent, Tissue Augmentation in Clinical Practice, second Edition. Additionally, he has written numerous textbook chapters on Cosmetic Dermatology, Soft Tissue Augmentation, Aesthetic Surgery, and Botulinum Toxin. He also serves and has served on the Editorial Board and as Expert Reviewer of numerous national and international medical publications, including the Journal of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, Dermatologic Surgery, Archives of Dermatology, Aesthetic Surgery, Aesthetic Buyers Guide, British Journal of Dermatology and the Journal of Cutaneous Aging and Cosmetic Dermatology, to name a few.

Dr. Klein has also served as an advisor, consultant, and principal investigator to Allergan, Anika, Elan Pharmaceuticals, Ethicon, Genzyme, Johnson & Johnson, Medicis Aesthetics, Ortho-Neutrogena, Skin-Medica, and Q-Med. In February of 2006, he was given the Allergan Award for Pioneering Work in Soft Tissue Augmentation, just one of many awards presented to Dr. Klein throughout his career.

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=89414731500&ref=mf

[SavannahStar]

I don't think there's any connection between the two. Whether or not he was "feeding" drugs we don't know. Maybe we should wait for the autopsy results before destroying someone's reputation as a doctor--a doctor who wasn't even present at the scene.

I think there may be an agenda with whoever is leaking info--funny how Klein and Murray are identifed and none of the other doctors under investigation are.

Even Mikko Brando, Michael's long time friend, was asked last night on LKL if he was Blanket's father. He looked startled and laughed and said "no". You could tell how disgusted he was at the whole discussion--IMO.

Frankly, I don't think that who is the bio dad is anyone's business.

Bravo for that last sentence.....I couldn't agree more!!!!!!! :hifive:

[Trailblazer]

Just heard on HLN that Michael's Casket is temporarily in Barry Gordy's crypt, until the family decided where to put him...

This makes me unconfortable...If they can't agree on where to bury Michael, how are they going to raise these children

[Trailblazer]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/arnie-klein-calls-the-cops/

Dr. Arnie Klein Calls the Cops

We've learned Beverly Hills Police have just responded to the office of Dr. Arnie Klein, Michael Jackson's close friend and doctor.

We're told Klein's office asked the cops to come -- someone in the office told us they called for protection. We do not have further details.

Story developing...

[Ann]

Just heard on HLN that Michael's Casket is temporarily in Barry Gordy's crypt, until the family decided where to put him...

This makes me unconfortable...If they can't agree on where to bury Michael, how are they going to raise these children
Yep, the family unity lasted one day. I can't help but thinking money is involved in the decision.

[Tam5115]

What I'm just not getting is that if Michael hated Neverland as some are saying, why did he go through all he did to save it from the auction block? iirc, he still owned 50% of the estate.

Because Michael was in such debt when he died, I'm sure that money is a high priority for the executors. It's so much like Elvis that it's spooky. I'd bet a dollar to a donut (Just what does that saying mean anyway? LOL) that there's a tremendous push to turn Neverland into another Graceland. It's going to be more difficult I think, the roads around there just wouldn't stand up to that high traffic volume... but, it would definitely build up the estate beyond imagination, just like it did for Elvis'. The children would definitely benefit, as did Lisa Marie.

[Sioux_Girl]

I have also read that they will not bury Michael until they get his brain back which also could explain why he hasnt been buried yet.

I read that most of the family except Katherine wanted him to be buried at Neverland so in fairness IF thats true i guess most of the family are agreeing on where he should be laid to rest.

[F~M]

Well, in Klein's defense he did say he was working on Michael's face and said he did sedate him when he did.

Yesterday I saw Klein walking with crutches on the news, and I have noticed that he has a slight slur when he talks. I wonder if he has MS.:confused:


I noticed his speech too. Haven't seen him walking, but the speech is very noticeable.

[F~M]

I have also read that they will not bury Michael until they get his brain back which also could explain why he hasnt been buried yet.

I read that most of the family except Katherine wanted him to be buried at Neverland so in fairness IF thats true i guess most of the family are agreeing on where he should be laid to rest.

His whole brain has been sent somewhere?

[Sioux_Girl]

His whole brain has been sent somewhere?

I dont know - all i know is they said his brain had been removed for testing and they wouldnt bury him til they got it back.

[Tam5115]

His whole brain has been sent somewhere?

From what I heard said on HLN, the coroner still has PART of his brain for further testing.

[Trailblazer]

UPDATE: Cops tells us Dr. Klein's office has been receiving "suspicious calls" today -- so they took a report and are going to investigate.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/arnie-klein-calls-the-cops/

[Texas53]

I posted an article where Joe Jackson is saying that he believes that Michael's death was foul play.

He is also stating that he and Katherine should get custody of the kids and that Paris and Blanket may have a future in entertainment (he is already planning on how to make money off those poor kids!). From previous interviews I have heard with Michael Jackson, he would be spinning in his grave if he even thought his dad would have any type of custody of those kids. JMHO

[Firehead]

I posted an article where Joe Jackson is saying that he believes that Michael's death was foul play.

He is also stating that he and Katherine should get custody of the kids and that Paris and Blanket may have a future in entertainment (he is already planning on how to make money off those poor kids!). From previous interviews I have heard with Michael Jackson, he would be spinning in his grave if he even thought his dad would have any type of custody of those kids. JMHO

Well what he "thinks" and what is going to happen are two different things. MJ did not leave his father a damn dime, let alone the children. So he should go pound salt. Katherine should kick his arse to the curb.

[Sioux_Girl]

Michael Jackson's children 'hugged and wept' as they viewed his body in open casket at private family ceremony
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 5:48 PM on 10th July 2009
Comments (19) Add to My Stories Michael Jackson's family - including his three children - viewed the singer's body in an open casket at his memorial ceremony.
David Fossett, 50, who attended the ceremony at Forest Lawn Cemetery, in Hollywood, said the singer had looked 'peaceful' at the Jehova's Witness service.

'He looked like he just was laying there sleeping.'

Mr Fossett, who grew up with Jackson and still lives in his hometown of Gary, Indiana, told the New York Post: 'He looked like himself.
Now, as it awaits burial, the casket containing the pop star is temporarily being kept in a Forest Lawn crypt belonging to Motown founder Berry Gordy, according to reports.

About 70 relatives gathered at Forest Lawn, where Jackson's cousin Wendell Hawkins conducted the service.

'It was a sombre mood,' Fossett said. 'Even though he's this big entertainer, he's still our family.'

He revealed that Jackson's three children, Paris, 11, Prince Michael I, 12, and Prince Michael II, 7, had cried during the service and had comforted each other.

'They lost their father,' he said. 'They were sad.'

Fossett said he had recalled for the group when Jackson, family and friends descended on Disneyland for the grand opening of the Captain EO movie, which starred Jackson

He also talked about when Michael and the rest of Jackson 5 returned to Gary in 1972 to perform at a high school.

Fossett said Hawkins told mourners that 'he was glad that [Michael's] life was connected with Jehovah' and during the service John 3:16 from Bible was read, a passage that speaks of God being so loving he gave his only son to the world.
The whereabouts of Jackson's body after it was taken in a gold-plated casket to a public memorial service at the Staples Centre in Los Angeles on Tuesday remained unclear until now.

But it is now believed to be in an above ground tomb Gordy bought for his family.

It's understood his family are divided over Jackson's final resting place.
Some, including his father Joseph and brother Jermaine, reportedly want Michael to be buried at the Neverland Ranch, which will likely be transformed into a Graceland-like tourist attraction.

However his mother Katherine and the other siblings are said to be pushing for a more private burial ground because Jackson had pledged to never to return to Neverland after sherriffs raided the property during an investigation into the child-molestation case against him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1198855/Michael-Jacksons-children-hugged-wept-viewed-body-open-casket-private-family-ceremony.html

[Sioux_Girl]

Interesting article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1198995/Jackals-close-Jackson-Everyone-granny-concert-promoters-record-bosses-mother-barely-seen-cashing-grief.html

[Jute]

I posted an article where Joe Jackson is saying that he believes that Michael's death was foul play.

He is also stating that he and Katherine should get custody of the kids and that Paris and Blanket may have a future in entertainment (he is already planning on how to make money off those poor kids!). From previous interviews I have heard with Michael Jackson, he would be spinning in his grave if he even thought his dad would have any type of custody of those kids. JMHO

Get ready to get ill - NG transcript below.

[Jute]

NANCY GRACE

Jackson`s Father Vows to Raise His Children

Aired July 10, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. The mystery in the sudden death of music icon Michael Jackson intensifies as questions mount on his sudden death, his half-a-billion-dollar empire, and more important, custody of the star`s three little children.

Bombshell tonight. Jackson`s family declares foul play in his sudden death. Well, doesn`t foul play plus a dead body equal murder? This as subpoenas go out demanding information leading up to Jackson`s collapse. After Jackson reveals physical abuse, beatings, at the hands of his own father, Joe Jackson, keeping his own three children far, far away, father Joe now announces he himself will raise Jackson`s children. It`s Jackson`s worst nightmare come true!

The location of Jackson`s embalmed body still shrouded in mystery. But tonight, we learn the body may be secretly held at the family crypt of Motown founder Berry Gordy. But why? And how -- how -- do you lose a gold-bedecked "Promethean" casket with 20 helicopters hovering and thousands watching the casket exit the arena? Was the body ever even in the casket, or was it smuggled out through the arena`s secret underground tunnels in an unmarked van while fans mobbed a black hearse seemingly bearing Jackson`s body? We confirm a portion of Jackson`s brain missing from the body, withheld for testing.

As the Jackson family infighting boils over, father Joe and the Jackson brothers push for burial in the back yard of Neverland, laying the groundwork for a Graceland-like Michael Jackson burial theme park. Sister Janet pleading for a family intervention to save Jackson`s life. Well, that never happened after Jackson ordered a fleet of bodyguards to keep the family out, even refusing phone calls from his 79-year-old mother.

Sources reveal needle marks in Jackson`s neck -- that`s right, his neck -- bearing signs of drug injections, his other veins riddled with track marks, many actually collapsing from IV use, confirming a report surfacing last week many branded an autopsy fake. And now comes reports needle marks discovered all over his body, including neck, ankles, legs, his skin paper white, white as a T-shirt, his bald head matching, his body emaciated, all in direct contrast to private video of his full dress rehearsal just hours before his death.

Multiple vials of drugs found in his home, drug banned for consumer use, only found behind locked doors in the OR. Jackson reportedly ingesting up to 10,000 pills in just six months, including a reported 40 Xanax a night -- 40 Xanax pills a night. The chief of LAPD mulls criminal charges. Who -- who -- drugged an addict who happened to be a superstar? As vultures circle Jackson`s dead body, the fate of his three children unknown.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Breaking news in the Michael Jackson investigation, a source close to the Jackson family telling us they are aware it could turn into a criminal probe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have some concerns about the physicians and the people who were around him that during the last moments of his life?

JOE JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON`S FATHER: Yes, I have. I have a lot of concerns.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are your concerns about that?

JOE JACKSON: I can`t get into that, but I don`t like what happened.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In fact, a picture coming into focus of a multi- doctor, multi-state, multi-faceted human conveyer belt used to provide Michael Jackson exactly what he wanted.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) want.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And apparently, what he wanted in great quantities, powerful prescription drugs.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... a confidential police document. It is from 2004. It contains confidential interviews done with two of Michael Jackson`s former security guards. One of them told investigators Jackson was taking, quote, "10-plus Xanax pills" a night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is very highly addictive.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said that he expressed concerns about that to other Jackson employees and was told by one, quote, "Jackson was doing better because he was down from 30 to 40 Xanax pills a night."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No matter how you cut it, this is an extremely high dose of Xanax.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Five doctors are being investigated, two of whom, sources confirm to CNN, Dr. Arnold Klein, as well as Dr. Conrad Murray.
<snipped>
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. The mystery surrounding the sudden death of music superstar Michael Jackson intensifies.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigation into Michael Jackson`s death might turn into a criminal case.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The L.A. police chief confirms that Jackson`s doctors are being investigated and that criminal charges could result from the police probe. Doctors not cooperating were issued subpoenas.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The coroner`s office here in L.A. County has a list of doctors that investigators have already begun interviewing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: CNN has confirmed from a source that Dr. Klein is on that list, as well as Dr. Conrad Murray, the doctor who was with Michael when he collapsed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We also have new claims from some of Michael Jackson`s former employees about his alleged drug use. They told police back in 2004 that Jackson took more than 10 Xanax pills each night, and at one point, used as many as 30 to 40 pills.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: According to this document that we have, one of the security guards told investigators that he would get Xanax prescriptions at pharmacies for Jackson under, quote, "fictitious names." One of the security guards actually named five doctors that he said were writing prescriptions for Michael Jackson. This security guard said in several states across the country, he personally drove Jackson to different doctor`s offices, which really paints a picture of doctor shopping.

One of the security guards described Jackson as sharp and, quote, "in tune" before the doctors` visits, and then afterward, he said, he would be, quote, "out of it" and sedated.

There is plenty right here that really paints a very dark picture of Jackson`s apparent drug habit and the sophisticated operation that was in place to apparently help him get the drugs and the doctors he may have been getting those drugs from.

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GRACE: Straight out to Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. What can you tell me about the reports that Jackson`s body may be hidden right now in the family crypt of Motown founder Berry Gordy?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right. Well, Berry Gordy very involved in the Jackson 5 career, as well as Michael Jackson. Apparently, Michael Jackson`s casket is in this crypt that Berry Gordy bought for his family. It`s at Forest Lawn cemetery. And the casket is just sitting there right now while the Jackson family is fighting amongst themselves about where to eventually bury Michael Jackson.

GRACE: OK, let me get something straight. I am also understanding that at the get-go, we were told you can`t just dig a hole in the back yard and bury a body, all right? Start your own cemetery. But it seems as if that`s exactly what`s going to happen. The state, while it says it hasn`t been contacted yet, says it`s OK to go forward with burying Michael Jackson`s body there at Neverland to make kind of a Graceland theme part, a burial theme park? What`s happening, Ellie?

JOSTAD: Right. Well, the state says that they have been contacted by one of Jackson`s lawyers, or an emissary for Jackson, but that the county...

GRACE: Oh, they have been contacted?

JOSTAD: They have been contacted.

GRACE: Have been contacted?

JOSTAD: Right.

GRACE: OK.

JOSTAD: Right. But the state -- or rather, the county of -- Santa Barbara County would have to give the OK, and that could be a long, drawn- out process.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New claims this morning that Michael Jackson may have taken more than 10 Xanax pills a day. Now, a 2004 police document says Jackson asked some employees to get the prescription sedative Xanax under their names. It also says Jackson traveled to doctors` offices in other states to get the drug himself. This document contains interviews with two of Jackson former security guards, one guard saying in there he was concerned about Jackson taking 10 or more pills a day, but was told by his colleague Jackson was actually doing better because he was down from 30 to 40 pills a night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People start off taking a few, and they take more and more and they build up tolerance. If you stop taking it, the withdrawal is just awful. People can have tremors. They can even have seizures. They get the shakes. They can have sweats.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Xanax is an anti-anxiety medication, but it`s also commonly used to treat sleep disorders because it causes drowsiness.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Another source was telling us the family concerned for a long time, but it was Janet now who tried to force the issue two years ago, and Michael Jackson simply stopped seeing him. Back in 2007, "People" magazine did report about an alleged Jackson family intervention. The Jackson family denied it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Meanwhile, Michael Jackson`s father, Joe, is speaking out for the first time since his son`s memorial service. He told ABC`s "Nightline" he does not think his son`s death was an accident.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The inquiry into the death of Mr. Jackson is continuing. Are we dealing with homicide? Are we dealing with an accidental overdose? Or what are we dealing with.

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GRACE: I want to go straight to Mary Margaret, news editor of Radaronline.com. All right, we still don`t know where the body is. What can you tell me about a portion of Michael Jackson`s brain still missing?

MARY MARGARET, RADARONLINE.COM: Well, the portion of the brain that was missing is supposed to have been taken for medical reasons. They wanted to do further investigation and...

GRACE: Testing?

MARGARET: Further testing, yes, in terms of what he ingested, what was in his system, et cetera.

GRACE: OK, straight out to Howard Oliver, former deputy medical examiner and forensic pathologist. Doctor, thank you for being with us. Don`t they have tissue samples? I`m sure they took blood from his body. Why do they need his brain, Doctor?

HOWARD OLIVER, FMR DEPUTY MEDICAL EXAMINER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: They really don`t need his brain for toxicology studies. Soft tissues, like, from the liver and kidney would be better than examining brain tissue.

GRACE: So why? Why? Can you think of any legitimate reason to keep Michael Jackson`s brain out of his body?

OLIVER: Well, had I done the autopsy, I would have kept the entire brain and had a neuropathologist to examine it to alleviate any possibility of any other cause of death, rather than toxicological study.

GRACE: But -- Dr. Howard Oliver, everyone, joining us from L.A. Dr. Oliver, what do you mean? What could the brain reveal as to cause of death? I mean, it seems to me that they`re zeroing in on cardiac arrest following overuse of prescription drugs. So what else could the brain reveal that tissue could not?

OLIVER: Well, it could have been some type of disease that`s specific to the brain, rather than looking at toxicological studies.

GRACE: Like what?

OLIVER: Well, for an example, like in an older person, say, Alzheimer`s disease could cause a person`s death.

GRACE: Doctor, Doctor, Doctor, come on! I have great respect for you, Doctor. I`ve checked you out thoroughly. Everybody, Dr. Oliver joining us from L.A. Michael Jackson is not an older person. He did not have Alzheimer`s, all right? So I`ve got a problem with the brain being withheld from the body. It`s just not sitting right, Doctor. So let`s forget about the Alzheimer`s. What other reason could they have kept his brain?

OLIVER: OK, I used Alzheimer`s as an example. He could have...

GRACE: True.

OLIVER: ... had some sort of seizure disorder, like epilepsy or that sort of thing.

GRACE: Which leads me to my next question, Doctor. There are reports that Michael Jackson suffered from lupus. What is it? And how could it have impacted his death?

OLIVER: Lupus is an autoimmune disease. It`s the immune system attacking different organs of the body. Usually, the worst organ attacked is the kidney, which can lead to death. You can have lupus disease in the skin...

GRACE: Got it.

OLIVER: ... and other organs of the body.

GRACE: And back to you, Ellie. What`s this we are learning? After Jackson admits publicly to physical beatings over his entire childhood and 10 years at the hands of his father, now Joe Jackson announces not only does he believe a murder has taken place, announcing foul play, but that he himself is going to raise the three children to be, quote, "strong Jacksons."

JOSTAD: Right. Joe Jackson told ABC that he and Katherine Jackson are best equipped to raise these kids, that they`ll feed them, they`ll give them a nice home. They`ll get plenty of rest, plenty of sleep. They`ll grow up to be strong Jacksons. And this is against what everybody else says Michael Jackson would have wanted.

GRACE: To the lawyers. Let`s unleash them. Joining me tonight, famed attorney out of San Francisco John Burris, Carmen St. George, defense attorney out of New York, Lewis Levenson (ph), estate attorney. He represented James Brown`s children in an estate battle, and that was a battle royale.

OK, Burris, you`re out there on the scene in California. We know Michael Jackson kept his three children as far away from Joe Jackson as possible. Reality? He`s the one that left his kids to the mother. Did he forget about the husband, Joe Jackson?

JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, he didn`t forget about the father. He knew exactly he did not want his children to be associated with the dad in any kind of custody way. So that was a right (ph). So it`s surprising the father thinks he can assert himself now.

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GRACE: Take a listen to what Michael Jackson said, what he revealed to Oprah Winfrey.

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MICHAEL JACKSON: There`s a lot of sadness about my past life, and you know, (INAUDIBLE) lessons and my father and all of those things. It just made me very, very, very sad.

OPRAH WINFREY, HOST: So he would tease you, make fun of you?

MICHAEL JACKSON: Yes.

WINFREY: Would he -- did he ever beat you?

MICHAEL JACKSON: Yes, he did. Yes.

WINFREY: And that was difficult to take, getting beaten and going on stage and performing.

MICHAEL JACKSON: Yes.

WINFREY: And why would he beat you?

MICHAEL JACKSON: Because he saw me -- he wanted me to -- I guess maybe -- I don`t know if I was his golden child or whatever it was.

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GRACE: That is Michael Jackson`s interview with Oprah. It was in 1993, and we got that from Harpo Productions. Tonight, we learn that grandfather Joe Jackson has not only publicly announced that he and the Jackson family believe foul play resulted in Michael Jackson`s death -- dead body, foul play, that equals murder -- but that he himself will take a hand in raising Jackson`s three children, Jackson`s worst nightmares now coming true.

We also learn that the Jackson family has made the first moves in having Jackson`s body buried there at Neverland, a place he grew to hate. We learn it will be a burial theme park, something like Elvis`s Graceland, which rakes in, believe it or not, $35 million a year.

Out to Natisha Lance, our producer, joining us from L.A. What can you tell me about ABC network paying nearly a quarter million dollars for photos, or really for an interview, but they said for photos of Michael Jackson? What happened?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right, Nancy. This was this interview where Joe Jackson said that he and Katherine Jackson would be best equipped to raise the children. Apparently, ABC News reportedly paid $200,000 for video of the Jackson family to be used on a special that`s coming up -- $200,000 when Joe Jackson sat down for this interview.

GRACE: To Carmen St. George joining us out of New York. Carmen, as a parent, this must strike a chord with you. He specifically did not want his children at the hands of Joe Jackson, and we see it happening before our very eyes. Because of what he said in his will, giving guardianship to his mother, who`s married to his father, has he unwittingly engineered this fiasco?

CARMEN ST. GEORGE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I hope that the courts take this into their hands considering the best interests of the child. Even though Joe Jackson has another residence primarily in Vegas, since they are married, he technically can be in the home and have some influence over the children. So I think it`s going to be very important for the court to really assess how much contact a prior abuser and somebody who Michael Jackson himself didn`t want around his kids will eventually have.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a gentleman here that needs help and he`s not breathing. He`s not breathing, and we`re trying to pump him, but he`s not --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. OK.

NANCY GRACE, CCNHN HOST: A growing mountain of claims tying Jackson to prescription drugs in recent years. One claim, for instance, from Jackson`s dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein telling CNN that Jackson had a drug addiction at one point, but had kicked it.

And we`re also hearing from a person who worked with Jackson in Las Vegas in 2006. Jack Wishna claims that Jackson would appear drugged up and incoherent and was often so weak and thin, he would use a wheelchair to get around.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two sources close to the family say Janet Jackson, who had seen little of her brother in recent years, visited him at that house and was shocked. We`re told the house was nearly barren of furniture, "creepy-looking," according to once source.

But it was the sight of an extremely thin, disheveled Michael Jackson that actually frightened Janet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are looking at his prescription drug history, the doctors he dealt with over the years.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We know for a fact form the attorney general`s office that they have a list of doctors that they are working from. There are reports that police department here in Los Angeles has list. It is really unclear if this is all the same list. B

But certainly the investigation seems to have a very narrow focus right now, focusing on prescription drugs and whether or not they contributed to Jackson`s death, and, of course, which doctors supplied them.

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GRACE:: Straight out to Louis Levenson, estate attorney. He represented James Brown children and grandchildren and devastate battle. I thought everybody was going to jump into that casket and tear the body apart. That was a vicious estate fight.

Welcome, Louis. Louis, take a listen again to Jackson on Oprah.

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MICHAEL JACKSON: There`s a lot of sadness about my past life and, you know, adolescence, and my father, and all of those things. It just made me very, very, very sad.

OPRAH WINFREY: He would tease you and make fun of you?

JACKSON: Yes.

WINFREY: Did he ever beat you?

JACKSON: Yes, he did. Yes.

WINFREY: And that was difficult to take, getting beaten and going on stage and performing?

JACKSON: Yes.

WINFREY: And why would he beat you?

JACKSON: Because he saw me -- he wanted me to -- I guess, maybe, I don`t know if I was his golden child, or whatever it was.

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GRACE: That was Jackson`s interview with Oprah Winfrey back `93 from Harpo Productions.

Louis Levenson, again, joining us from New York. We know the father, Joe Jackson, beat him viciously. We know that he mocked the little boy, making fun of his face, his nose.

And all these years, people make fun of Jackson for all of his plastic surgery, but this all started way back when with his father belittling him for the way he looked.

I`m not saying it`s not weird. I`m saying it`s understandable in a certain, twisted way.

Bottom line, with Jackson`s own attempt to keep his children safe in the hands of his own mother, he is unwittingly, seemingly set up a catch 22. They will go right back to his father if his will is followed.

LOUIS LEVENSON, ESTATE ATTORNEY: I think you make a good point. There`s a possibility that this internal strife could be played out in the court under the idea that the children`s interest are not being cared for, would open the door to other contestants to custody of the children.

Note that the will provides for a guardian, Diana Ross. I don`t know how that would play into this. Obviously, there`s a possibility that the ex-wife could have a say in that as well.

GRACE: Oh, lord. Now Rowe is in the mix.

Dr. Lisa Weinstock is a psychiatrist joining us out of New York. We heard Jackson say that maybe he was the golden child. And "golden" is the literal term, because he brought in so much money, millions to that family.

But have you seen in your practice, I did as a prosecutor, very often parents pick one child out of many and they basically beat the hell out of it. They choose one child out of all the children to mistreat the most.

DR. LISA WEINSTEIN M.D., PSYCHIATRIST: Absolutely, it happens all the time that you will see in a family that one child is identified as the bad child or the one that the parents take the anger out on or the hostility out on.

And, you know, obviously Michael Jackson`s relationship with his father was extremely complex. And while he talks about having been beaten by him, you know, he did make this choice to put in his will that the children could go to his mother knowing full well that his parents were still married and his father would have contact with him.

So I think, again, it talks to the complexity of the relationship and the fact that even when children are abused, they still have ambivalence and mixed feelings towards the parents who abuse them.

GRACE: Back to Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. Ellie, reports are surfacing that 10,000 pills in six months leading up to his death that he ingested, including up to 40 Xanax a night?

ELLIE JOSTAD, "NANCY GRACE" PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Right. What this is coming from is some security guards that used to work for Michael Jackson. They were interviewed as part of the probe into those molestation allegations back in 2003, 2004, 2005.

These security guards said that not only was Jackson taking 30 to 40 pill a night, according to another staffer, but that he was making them get prescriptions for them in their names that he intended to take himself.

GRACE: And Brad Lamm, board registered interventionist at changesomeoneyoulove.com.

BRAD LAMM, BOARD REGISTERED INTERVENTIONIST, CHANGESOMEONEYOULOVE.COM: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. This on the heels of learning just today that there were track marks, needle marks in his neck. How do you shoot yourself up in the neck? How does that happen? How do you do that?

LAMM: I would be surprised if he did it himself.

My history is that I was addicted for many years, too. And Xanax is one of the panoply of drugs that I had a real strong relationship with. So I can testify firsthand it`s a really hard drug to kick. I can also testify that you can detoxify yourself down.

GRACE: What is Xanax?

LAMM: Xanax is a class of drugs, it`s called benzodiazapines. It`s, in this case, used to treat anxiety disorder, I think.

GRACE: OK.

LAMM: Yes. And it does help you sleep, but one of the side effects is it will cause sleeplessness. So it may help you sleep at a certain moment, but quickly builds up in the system.

GRACE: Brad, brad, brad --

LAMM: Yes.

GRACE: Track marks to the neck. How do you do that?

LAMM: I think you would need somebody to help you do that.

GRACE: This brings up quite the specter Bill Majeski, former NYPD. Bill, picture it. A doctor, a certified doctor, an M.D. hovering over Jackson, not only keeping an IV in him in a van that`s a mobile unit overnight, but injecting him in the neck?

This, as chief of police Bratton, who is really no nonsense says, he`s mulling a criminal investigation. What do you make of it, Majeski?

BILL MAJESKI, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: I think that criminal investigation is ongoing as we speak. There`s an awful lot of suspicious behavior, and a awful lot of behavior that one would believe leads to possible criminal action on the part of a number of people.

So I think that the police right now are doing an investigation, talking to a lot of people, creating timelines, gathering evidence, and hopefully, in short order, they`ll be turning it over to the prosecutor`s office, who will then be investigating it, and hopefully indictments will be coming down on all of those that may have been involved in any kind of criminal activity that may have taken place.

GRACE: To Mary Margaret, news editor of radaronline.com, now reports for servicing. Remember when he had to go to court and he showed up with crutches and said he had a spider bite on his leg? Reports surfacing that may have not have been a spider bite but the results of an injury from a broken needle injection.

MARY MARGARET, NEWS EDITOR, RADARONLINE.COM: Yes. I mean, one of the things, and the reason the DEA is involved, is the fact that there are these five doctors that have been central to Michael`s possible addiction. And they need to know exactly how they were involved, how long were they involved, and exactly what they did to him.

GRACE: Remember, Mary Margaret, awhile back, we learned that he had over a $100,000 debt to just the local pharmacy down the street. And the pharmacy basically had to threaten to sue to get the $100,000 back.

How do you run up over $100,000 in prescription drugs? We`ll all be right back.

But as we go to break, happy birthday. Happy 60th to a friend of the show, Michael. Isn`t he handsome? He loves his boat and NG (ph), he says. He comforts people for a living at a funeral home. One of the biggest ones in Manhattan.

Michael, happy birthday, friend. You`ve touched so many lives, including ours here at the show.

And happy birthday to friend of the show, veteran Atlanta defense attorney Raymond Giudice. He may not admit it, but he has practiced law over 20 years. Newly married with two daughters and his blended family, takes time-out of a busy courtroom schedule to join us.

Happy birthday, Ray Giudice.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family said to be divided over burial at Neverland Ranch. Michael Jackson could be buried there if Santa Barbara County OKs it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: According to the state, an attorney for the Jackson family has inquired about burying Michael Jackson at Neverland Ranch, something Jermaine Jackson told CNN he would like to see it happen.

JERMAINE JACKSON, BROTHER OF MICHAEL JACKSON: I would love to see him here. There`s a special place right over near the train station right over there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s unclear is if everyone in the family wants Neverland to be Jackson`s final resting place. Joe Jackson seemed to shoot it down when asked in the days after Jackson`s death.

JOE JACKSON, FATHER OF MICHAEL JACKSON: That`s not true. That`s not true.

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GRACE: Straight out to Ellie. Ellie, what can you tell me? It seems like the whole kit and caboodle are showing up in court Monday regarding guardianship. Does that include Debbie Rowe?

JOSTAD: We don`t know if Debbie Rowe is going to show up. Her attorneys say they will be there. Debbie hasn`t filed anything officially with the court indicating her intentions, but she said a local L.A. station that she plans to fight for her kids.

GRACE: And to you, Louis Levenson, a state attorney joining us from New York, what will happen on Monday?

LEVENSON: Well, it`s fair to say that the judge is going to follow the recommendation of the will unless there`s some real compelling evidence to do otherwise. And the will appoints Katherine Jackson as the guardian.

GRACE: And to you Carmen St. George, even though we know going into that home is going to be in direct opposition to what he wanted, to keep his children away from his father that beat him.

CARMEN ST. GEORGE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think, Nancy, it`s got to be a consideration by the court to the best interests. It`s what`s in the letter of intention that Michael Jackson wrote.

This was a will. This wasn`t something he just mentioned to somebody. He wrote it down. He intentionally left his biological father out of the will. He didn`t say "My mother Katherine and my father Joe, I would like them to have custody." So I really think that has to be considered by the courts.

And these are minor children going to an 80-year-old woman. So that`s another consideration, who is going to be best able to take care of the children?

GRACE: And quickly, Ellie, on Monday, what is the likelihood that Rowe is going to jump up in court and make a claim?

JOSTAD: Well, we just don`t know at this point. She surrendered her parental rights back in 2000. She later regained them in about 2006. So we don`t know. She could try to ask for custody or more visitation rights.

GRACE: Well, there`s blood in the water. I`m sure that money will be an issue. She could be paid millions just to go away.
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GRACE: The mystery surrounding the sudden death of music superstar Michael Jackson intensifies.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do not touch me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody touched you here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You just did. Don`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you ready to fight for your children?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you ready to get your butt kicked? Don`t [ bleep ] touch me.

GRACE: Not a good look, mommy. That`s the bio mom, the alleged bio mom, Debbie Rowe, who is apparently set to throw her hat into the ring, claiming she should get guardianship of all three of Jackson`s children.

I still don`t understand how a 14 karat gold bedecked promethean casket can get lost.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not sure that there was even the body in the casket at that memorial.

GRACE: Now that we are hearing about his veins collapsed from IV use. Is that particular drug, you apparently have to have oxygen on standby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s right, Nancy. This could be a smoking gun.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ever since I was born, daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Smile though your heart is aching

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I just wanted to say I love him so much.

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GRACE: Amongst all the hangers on, the vultures, the star suckers, that moment of clarity and truth rang out as Michael Jackson`s 11-year-old girl, voiced her grief in a heartbreaking tribute to her father.

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Jackson's Knack for Picking Friendly Docs

Michael Jackson had a way of picking doctors who became such close friends with him that the doctor-patient distinction became blurred.

Dr. Alex Farshchian from Miami was "awe-struck" by Jackson, according to former L.A. County Sheriff's Deputy Michael Laperruque, who worked security for Jackson. We obtained notes from an interview Laperruque had with detectives during the child molestation investigation in Santa Barbara. Laperruque said Dr. Farshchian was so enamored with Jackson, he invited the singer to stay at his house in Miami. Laperruque says Jackson took the doctor up on his offer and ended up staying in his converted garage. The question -- why would Jackson settle for such accommodations?

Laperruque told detectives "Farshchian may have been over prescribing medication."

Dr. Arnold Klein was Jackson's longtime friend and Beverly Hills dermatologist. Klein bragged on Larry King that he has slept in the same room as Jackson and shared a close bond with him, going on numerous vacations with the singer. One of Jackson's drivers told the coroner Jackson would spend 3 - 4 hours in Klein's office and come out looking disoriented. A former bodyguard said he also saw Jackson leave Klein's office looking out of it. And powerful prescriptions were found at Neverland -- prescribed by Dr. Klein. The prescriptions were written for Frank Tyson, who worked for Jackson. A former bodyguard said Jackson would use Tyson's name to score drugs. Klein has said he prescribed Demerol for Jackson, a drug to which Jackson was addicted.

Dr. Allan Metzger, who practices in West Hollywood, went on one of Jackson's concert tours and was close to him. He even videotaped the singer's wedding to Debbie Rowe. Dr. Metzger received a public reprimand for prescribing drugs to Janet Jackson under an alias. Dr. Metzger would not tell us whether he ever prescribed drugs to Michael under an alias. He told us he has not been Jackson's doctor for years, but he spoke with him as recently as last April about medical issues and personal matters.

Some medical experts suggest it's a bad idea for doctors to become close to their patients because the doctors must retain the power to say "no" when the patient wants something that is not medically appropriate. Whatever his motives, Michael Jackson had a talent for picking doctors who were more than happy to pick him as a friend.

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Jackson's hometown holds memorial for pop icon
By TOM COYNE Associated Press Writer

Jul 11th, 2009 | GARY, Ind. -- This gritty steel-making city where Michael Jackson got his start playing on street corners with his brothers and competing in talent shows said goodbye to the King of Pop with a show that featured experienced homegrown talent, as well as youngsters who hope to follow in his footsteps.

More than 6,000 people showed up for Friday's upbeat memorial event, which included performers singing and dancing to his hits, video montages of Jackson and comments from the Rev. Jesse Jackson, Gary's mayor and people who knew Michael Jackson when his family lived in the city located 30 miles southeast of Chicago.

People in the crowd said the celebration was fitting for the King of Pop.

"It brought back a lot of memories," said Betty Nicholson, 52, of Gary, who said she used to perform at some of the same talent shows as Jackson and his brothers. "The show was fantastic."

Some of the biggest applause came before the three-plus-hour event started, when Jackson's hits were playing over the public address system at the Steel Yard, Gary's minor league baseball park, and young children and teenagers went out to the dugout and mimicked his moves.

Two Gary natives -- Chester Gregory, who has appeared on Broadway, and Deniece Williams, known for her pop hit "Let's Hear It For the Boy" from the movie "Footloose" -- sang music that wasn't Jackson's. Gregory sang Jackie Wilson's "(Your Love Keeps Liftin' Me) Higher and Higher" because Wilson was a singer Jackson tried to emulate. Williams sang "Black Butterfly," a song about a caterpillar's struggles to change that she recorded in the early 1990s. She said it fit Jackson.

"Because that's what he did. It was a struggle through the pain, through everything. At the end of the day he still was a beautiful, beautiful creature with wings that flew and touched not only the United States but the world and will continue to touch the world forever," Williams said before her performance.

Jackson spent the first 11 years of his life in Gary, until the Jackson 5 struck it big in 1969. By that time, the steel industry, in which Jackson's father had worked, had started to decline. Over the following decades, the city's unemployment and poverty soared, crime increased and the population dwindled.

Jackson came back to Gary just once, in 2003. A speech he gave then was featured in one of the memorial's video montages. In it, Jackson finished by saying: "Gary, you are family, you always will be, I love you."

Mayor Rudy Clay said Jackson made the city known worldwide.

"He's going to put on those golden slippers and he's going to dance all over God's heaven," Clay said.

He later unveiled a 7-foot-high granite slab with an etching of Jackson standing on his tiptoes with the words "King of Pop" and his birth date and death date. Clay said it would be the first item in a Jackson museum he hopes to see the city build.

Organizers said more than 30 members of Jackson's family attended the event, including his father, Joe Jackson, who arrived surrounded by security just as Jesse Jackson was finishing speaking.
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July 1, 2009, 9:21 PM EST
NEW YORK (AP) -- Michael Jackson had a mountain of unreleased recordings in the vault when he died — music that is almost certain to be packaged and repackaged for his fans in the years to come.

The material includes unused tracks from studio sessions of some of Jackson's best albums, as well as more recently recorded songs made with Senegalese R&B singer and producer Akon and Black Eyed Peas frontman will.i.am.

"There are dozens and dozens of songs that did not end up on his albums," said Tommy Mottola, who from 1998 to 2003 was chairman and CEO of Sony Music, which owns the distribution rights to Jackson's music. "People will be hearing a lot of that unreleased material for the first time ever. There's just some genius and brilliance in there."

The releases, Mottola said, "could go on for years and years — even more than Elvis."
http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=418567

[Roamer]

I need to go find a link, but the custody hearing has been changed to a week from Monday.

Here it is: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/ap_on_en_mu/us_jackson_guardianship

[Roamer]

Entire article from link:

1 week delay in Jackson guardianship case

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By ANTHONY McCARTNEY, AP Entertainment Writer Anthony Mccartney, Ap Entertainment Writer – 6 mins ago



LOS ANGELES – Michael Jackson's mother and ex-wife time will have time to reach an agreement over who will take care of the singer's three children.

For the second time, Katherine Jackson and Deborah Rowe joined to seek a delay in a hearing that could decide who gets custody of the pop superstar's children. A guardianship hearing scheduled for Monday has been delayed for a week, an attorney said Friday.

Katherine Jackson will remain the temporary guardian of her son's three children, who range in ages from 7 to 12.

Court records show a judge granted the delay Friday afternoon.

The hearing could have presented a showdown between Katherine Jackson and Rowe, who was married to the pop singer from 1996 to 1999.
Instead, the two sides are trying to broker an out-of-court settlement.

"We are pleased that the child custody hearing has been continued over until July 20th to further our progress and allow us to privately and amicably resolve this most important matter in a dignified manner for the benefit of the children first and all involved," L. Londell McMillan said in a statement to The Associated Press.

Attorneys for Rowe declined to comment on Friday. Requests to interview Rowe have also been denied.

Rowe has not indicated in court filings that she intends to seek custody. She is the mother of Jackson's two oldest children, Michael Joseph Jackson Jr., known as 12-year-old Prince Michael, and 11-year-old Paris Michael Katherine Jackson.

The youngest child, 7-year-old Prince Michael II, was born to a surrogate mother who has never been identified.

In a will signed in 2002, Michael Jackson stated he wanted his mother to care for his children if he died. As a backup, he designated singer and longtime friend Diana Ross.

Rowe was not given any role in the will. While much has been made of her decision in 2001 to terminate her parental rights, that decision was overturned and she and Jackson reached an out-of-court settlement in 2006.

The details of that agreement have never been released and it is unclear when Rowe, 50, last saw Jackson's children.

[Trailblazer]

I need to go find a link, but the custody hearing has been changed to a week from Monday.

Here it is: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/ap_on_en_mu/us_jackson_guardianship

From your link:

For the second time, Katherine Jackson and Deborah Rowe joined to seek a delay in a hearing that could decide who gets custody of the pop superstar's children. A guardianship hearing scheduled for Monday has been delayed for a week, an attorney said Friday.


This is ridiculous... To me it sure sounds like DR is only involved to get a cash settlement for not seeking custody....why else would they be delaying this hearing and working on an agreement?

You either love the children and want them in your life, or you don't...and money shouldn't come into play as to whether you seek custody or not..

[LiveLaughLuv]

UPDATE BELOW

MICHAEL Jackson's two eldest kids face a tug-of-love battle after their mum Debbie Rowe confessed he was not their father.

In an astonishing interview Debbie - mother of Prince, 12, and Paris, 11 - said she was artificially inseminated by an anonymous donor.

And she told how, despite Jackson's death, she does not WANT custody of the children and NEVER expects to see them again.

WHOLE STORY WAS HERE, LINK APPEARS BROKEN


EXCERPTS:
Debbie (who lives on a farm surrounded by animals) said, ""I was just the vessel. It wasn't Michael's sperm. Just like I stick the sperm up my horse, this is what they did to me. I was his thoroughbred."....

After Debbie gave birth to second child Paris, she couldn't have kids again, "The delivery was so hard. My insides were all torn up and I was barren. When he knew I couldn't have any more babies he didn't want anything to do with me."

Debbie says she will not fight for custody of Prince Michael or Paris, "I know I will never see them again. I was never cut out to be a mother - I was no good. I don't want these children in my life. My children are my animals now."

She told me during a brief conversation today: "I lost my best friend."
Rowe was married to Jackson when she had Prince Michael I and Paris Katherine. But it was always understood that they'd part. Now, she is in tears missing her friend.

So far, Rowe has not addressed the issue of the kids or custody despite frantic reports. She wouldn't do that, she says. "Michael hasn't even been buried," she says. Rowe has always had an excellent relationship with Michael's mother, Katherine Jackson, and looks forward to talking to her soon, and possibly even seeing the children when the time is right.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/28/debbie-rowe-michael-is-no_n_222027.html

[Sioux_Girl]

From your link:

For the second time, Katherine Jackson and Deborah Rowe joined to seek a delay in a hearing that could decide who gets custody of the pop superstar's children. A guardianship hearing scheduled for Monday has been delayed for a week, an attorney said Friday.


This is ridiculous... To me it sure sounds like DR is only involved to get a cash settlement for not seeking custody....why else would they be delaying this hearing and working on an agreement?

You either love the children and want them in your life, or you don't...and money shouldn't come into play as to whether you seek custody or not..

To be honest when i read that report the first thing i thought was so how much have they offered her?

She is just so sickening IMO

[Roamer]

I want Katherine to have the kids, but I also don't want Joe around them. Will she let him move back in, or has she learned by now what he's really like?

[Sioux_Girl]

This is just sooooo cute


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzLqg7EDTPk

[Alibar]

Thank you, Sioux, What a treat! )))))

[LiveLaughLuv]

Thanks Sioux, this shows how much fun Michael was with the kids.

IMO, he had a childlike mentality due to not having a childhood. His childhood consisted of rehearsals and stages, never going to play in a park or with the other children, how sad he felt on what he missed as a child.

Which is why, I do not believe he would hurt any child. As I said earlier, there were other children in his life his entire adult life. The two who came forward did it for money. The parents knew what Michael was worth and ruined this man's reputation, all due to greed, something he was never able to recover from...all the good Michael has done with charites are put on the back burner since the molestation charges came. Even as he is acquitted, it laid heavy on his heart and mind...some in public view did not let him forget...

He still should not have died. He was taken way too soon. I do hope if it is found the doctor was negligent and contributed to his death, he should be dealt with accordingly..

[LiveLaughLuv]

Raid at Jackson's Netted Heavy Drugs
Posted Jul 10th 2009 2:30AM by TMZ Staff

Santa Barbara County Sheriff's deputies who raided Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch back in 2003 found a syringe, powerful narcotics, vials and IV bags containing what could be anesthesia.

We've obtained documents that were part of the Sheriff's Department's investigation detailing what was found in the search. Among the items ...

-- A vial of Versed -- a powerful sedative
-- Several IV bags containing "a milky white fluid, located in a small cardboard box on top of the bathtub." Propofol and other anesthesias are milky white. As we first reported, Propofol was in Jackson's home the day he died.
-- A vial of Promethazine -- an antihistamine with strong sedative effects
-- A bottle of Alprazolam (generic for Xanax, a powerful anti-anxiety drug)
-- A bottle of Percocet -- a painkiller
-- A syringe
-- A vial with Demerol in it-- Numerous loose pills outside bottles
-- A bottle of Prednisone -- a steroid
-- Ery-tab -- an antibiotic
-- Prescriptions for Xanax that had been filled
-- A prescription for Alprazolam
-- Oxygen tanks
-- IV stands
http://health.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson/

This bothers me...back in 2003, when police raided the Neverland Ranch when the allegations of molestation charges came, why did the police not do anything then about all these drugs they found? Those I bolded have no business being in a residential home.

Why did this go undetected?

[Ann]

Raid at Jackson's Netted Heavy Drugs
Posted Jul 10th 2009 2:30AM by TMZ Staff

Santa Barbara County Sheriff's deputies who raided Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch back in 2003 found a syringe, powerful narcotics, vials and IV bags containing what could be anesthesia.

We've obtained documents that were part of the Sheriff's Department's investigation detailing what was found in the search. Among the items ...

-- A vial of Versed -- a powerful sedative
-- Several IV bags containing "a milky white fluid, located in a small cardboard box on top of the bathtub." Propofol and other anesthesias are milky white. As we first reported, Propofol was in Jackson's home the day he died.
-- A vial of Promethazine -- an antihistamine with strong sedative effects
-- A bottle of Alprazolam (generic for Xanax, a powerful anti-anxiety drug)
-- A bottle of Percocet -- a painkiller
-- A syringe
-- A vial with Demerol in it-- Numerous loose pills outside bottles
-- A bottle of Prednisone -- a steroid
-- Ery-tab -- an antibiotic
-- Prescriptions for Xanax that had been filled
-- A prescription for Alprazolam
-- Oxygen tanks
-- IV stands
http://health.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson/

This bothers me...back in 2003, when police raided the Neverland Ranch when the allegations of molestation charges came, why did the police not do anything then about all these drugs they found? Those I bolded have no business being in a residential home.

Why did this go undetected?I said the same thing on the AC360 blog. They never let my comment out of moderation. I guess the media doesn't want to go there, but I think people should keep on asking that question.

[Ann]

Another thing is that the family had to have known then how serious his problem was in 2004. They and LE certainly would have had enough ammunition to force Michael into rehab then especially with minor children in the home. They would have had the leverage with losing the kids to give him the incentive to get into recovery. Instead they did nothing it seems. Were they more interested in the publicity than they were his well being and that of the kids?

Supposedly Janet and two of the brothers tried to intervene in Las Vagas in 2007. Katherine, Jermaine and three other brothers signed a statement given to People Magazine denying it. Were they afraid Michael would cut off their support if they rocked the boat too much?

IMO there was a much wider circle of enablers than some people want to admit.

************

September 07, 2007

People Magazine has followed other publications in reporting untrue and inaccurate information about Michael Jackson and the Jackson family. Of these widely reported rumors, what has become the most troubling and heinous, is that my son, and our brother, Michael Jackson, is dependent on painkillers and alcohol.

People, and other news organizations, have quoted “sources” indicating that our family has attempted a drug intervention, and engaged in an effort to take over his business affairs, because of this alleged drug and alcohol usage.

We categorically deny ever planning, participating in, or having knowledge of any kind of intervention, whatsoever. We strongly believe that these “sources” and others, no matter who they are, are making these defamatory, inaccurate, and untrue claims for monetary reasons.

Michael Jackson, and the Jackson family, has endured years of false accusations and misrepresentations.

It is time for these unfair and hurtful rumors, for profit, to end.

Thank you.

Signed,

Toriano Adaryll (Tito) Jackson
Sigmund Esco (Jackie) Jackson
Marlon David Jackson
Jermaine Jackson
Katherine Jackson

http://mjjr.net/news.php?260

Notice that Janet didn't sign the statement.

[Naia]

Michaels children are so beautiful. I hope Katherine, with the the help of a nanny perhaps, will be allowed to raise them. It sure seemed to me while watching the memorial, that the Jackson family loved the kids.

[Jute]

Entire article from link:

1 week delay in Jackson guardianship case

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By ANTHONY McCARTNEY, AP Entertainment Writer Anthony Mccartney, Ap Entertainment Writer – 6 mins ago



LOS ANGELES – Michael Jackson's mother and ex-wife time will have time to reach an agreement over who will take care of the singer's three children.

For the second time, Katherine Jackson and Deborah Rowe joined to seek a delay in a hearing that could decide who gets custody of the pop superstar's children. A guardianship hearing scheduled for Monday has been delayed for a week, an attorney said Friday.

Katherine Jackson will remain the temporary guardian of her son's three children, who range in ages from 7 to 12.

Court records show a judge granted the delay Friday afternoon.

The hearing could have presented a showdown between Katherine Jackson and Rowe, who was married to the pop singer from 1996 to 1999.
Instead, the two sides are trying to broker an out-of-court settlement.

"We are pleased that the child custody hearing has been continued over until July 20th to further our progress and allow us to privately and amicably resolve this most important matter in a dignified manner for the benefit of the children first and all involved," L. Londell McMillan said in a statement to The Associated Press.

Attorneys for Rowe declined to comment on Friday. Requests to interview Rowe have also been denied.

Rowe has not indicated in court filings that she intends to seek custody. She is the mother of Jackson's two oldest children, Michael Joseph Jackson Jr., known as 12-year-old Prince Michael, and 11-year-old Paris Michael Katherine Jackson.

The youngest child, 7-year-old Prince Michael II, was born to a surrogate mother who has never been identified.

In a will signed in 2002, Michael Jackson stated he wanted his mother to care for his children if he died. As a backup, he designated singer and longtime friend Diana Ross.

Rowe was not given any role in the will. While much has been made of her decision in 2001 to terminate her parental rights, that decision was overturned and she and Jackson reached an out-of-court settlement in 2006.

The details of that agreement have never been released and it is unclear when Rowe, 50, last saw Jackson's children.

I'm very glad to hear that Katherine and DR are trying to work this out - any horrible court case will be available to the children to read about forever.

If MJ was truly in the terrible health that is being claimed, someone had to have provided the majority of the childrens' care - and given the beautiful speech Paris made, a wonderful job has been done. I don't know the nanny-related information, but if she was the stability in the childrens' lives, I pray that she is allowed to remain with them. IMO, children who so deeply love a father with such terrible problems had another person around who made certain that they were always reminded that MJ loves them.

Katherine clearly loves her grandchildren, but the woman is 79; Dianna Ross, IMO, is not the person to take over in the event of Katherine's death. Dianna must be in her 60s - the possibility of the children losing 2 loving caretakers before they are fully grown is unbearable to think about.

Joe Jackson is, IMO, evil on feet; I pray he is not allowed near these traumatized children to any great extent - MJ didn't want him near his children, either. Someone on JVM made the comment that because Katherine has not made any statements regarding Joe not being allowed to be a part of raising the children, it could cause problems. I can't imagine - and pray - that a judge would allow Joe any active role in their lives.

No one knows the real truth about Debbie Rowe, but it does appear that she abdicated her role as the mother to these children. You can't just walk into a child's life and announce, 'hi, I'm your mom, you're going to spend the rest of your childhood with me.' From the relatively little I know about the ANS case, people were crawling out of the woodwork to claim her little girl ('s money, in many cases, it appears;) people who didn't know or care about her until ANS's death.

IMO, if Katherine and DR can work out something - be it visitation by DR, or another buy-out - it's the best chance for the children. They don't deserve to be "loved" on the basis of the money that comes with them.

JMO

[Jute]

From your link:

For the second time, Katherine Jackson and Deborah Rowe joined to seek a delay in a hearing that could decide who gets custody of the pop superstar's children. A guardianship hearing scheduled for Monday has been delayed for a week, an attorney said Friday.


This is ridiculous... To me it sure sounds like DR is only involved to get a cash settlement for not seeking custody....why else would they be delaying this hearing and working on an agreement?

You either love the children and want them in your life, or you don't...and money shouldn't come into play as to whether you seek custody or not..

You've got that absolutely right, TB.

[Jute]

UPDATE BELOW

MICHAEL Jackson's two eldest kids face a tug-of-love battle after their mum Debbie Rowe confessed he was not their father.

In an astonishing interview Debbie - mother of Prince, 12, and Paris, 11 - said she was artificially inseminated by an anonymous donor.

And she told how, despite Jackson's death, she does not WANT custody of the children and NEVER expects to see them again.

WHOLE STORY WAS HERE, LINK APPEARS BROKEN


EXCERPTS:
Debbie (who lives on a farm surrounded by animals) said, ""I was just the vessel. It wasn't Michael's sperm. Just like I stick the sperm up my horse, this is what they did to me. I was his thoroughbred."....

After Debbie gave birth to second child Paris, she couldn't have kids again, "The delivery was so hard. My insides were all torn up and I was barren. When he knew I couldn't have any more babies he didn't want anything to do with me."

Debbie says she will not fight for custody of Prince Michael or Paris, "I know I will never see them again. I was never cut out to be a mother - I was no good. I don't want these children in my life. My children are my animals now."

She told me during a brief conversation today: "I lost my best friend."
Rowe was married to Jackson when she had Prince Michael I and Paris Katherine. But it was always understood that they'd part. Now, she is in tears missing her friend.

So far, Rowe has not addressed the issue of the kids or custody despite frantic reports. She wouldn't do that, she says. "Michael hasn't even been buried," she says. Rowe has always had an excellent relationship with Michael's mother, Katherine Jackson, and looks forward to talking to her soon, and possibly even seeing the children when the time is right.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/28/debbie-rowe-michael-is-no_n_222027.html

Thanks, Luv. If the bolded line is true, I hope she takes the money and is never heard from or about again. JMO

[Jute]

I want Katherine to have the kids, but I also don't want Joe around them. Will she let him move back in, or has she learned by now what he's really like?

Given Joe's well-known background, and his recent statements, if a judge allowed this, s/he should be removed from the court. :45024:

JMO

[Jute]

Raid at Jackson's Netted Heavy Drugs
Posted Jul 10th 2009 2:30AM by TMZ Staff

Santa Barbara County Sheriff's deputies who raided Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch back in 2003 found a syringe, powerful narcotics, vials and IV bags containing what could be anesthesia.

We've obtained documents that were part of the Sheriff's Department's investigation detailing what was found in the search. Among the items ...

-- A vial of Versed -- a powerful sedative
-- Several IV bags containing "a milky white fluid, located in a small cardboard box on top of the bathtub." Propofol and other anesthesias are milky white. As we first reported, Propofol was in Jackson's home the day he died.
-- A vial of Promethazine -- an antihistamine with strong sedative effects
-- A bottle of Alprazolam (generic for Xanax, a powerful anti-anxiety drug)
-- A bottle of Percocet -- a painkiller
-- A syringe
-- A vial with Demerol in it-- Numerous loose pills outside bottles
-- A bottle of Prednisone -- a steroid
-- Ery-tab -- an antibiotic
-- Prescriptions for Xanax that had been filled
-- A prescription for Alprazolam
-- Oxygen tanks
-- IV stands
http://health.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson/

This bothers me...back in 2003, when police raided the Neverland Ranch when the allegations of molestation charges came, why did the police not do anything then about all these drugs they found? Those I bolded have no business being in a residential home.

Why did this go undetected?

IMO, the focus was on convicting MJ of child molestation - only. Had something been done about what was found in the home in 2003, MJ might still be alive.

[annalyzer]

It's hard to know what to believe. From the above link, "After Debbie gave birth to second child Paris, she couldn't have kids again, "The delivery was so hard. My insides were all torn up and I was barren. When he knew I couldn't have any more babies he didn't want anything to do with me."

But in that video interview I posted a while back she said that if MJ asked her to have five more kids she'd do it in a heartbeat.

[Jute]

Another thing is that the family had to have known then how serious his problem was in 2004. They and LE certainly would have had enough ammunition to force Michael into rehab then especially with minor children in the home. They would have had the leverage with losing the kids to give him the incentive to get into recovery. Instead they did nothing it seems. Were they more interested in the publicity than they were his well being and that of the kids?

Supposedly Janet and two of the brothers tried to intervene in Las Vagas in 2007. Katherine, Jermaine and three other brothers signed a statement given to People Magazine denying it. Were they afraid Michael would cut off their support if they rocked the boat too much?

IMO there was a much wider circle of enablers than some people want to admit.

************
<respectfully snipped>

http://mjjr.net/news.php?260

Notice that Janet didn't sign the statement.

Gloria Allred attempted to have the children removed from MJ's custody during, or around the time of his trial. If she had knowledge of the drugs found in the home, my guess is that she might have been successful. Why didn't she know about this? Sounds as if evidence/information was buried.

JMO

[Roamer]

It's like everything else, Jute. We only know what they feed us.

Debbie wants the kids, Debbie doesn't want the kids.

Katherine might be in very good shape for her age, and they have a lot of aunts and uncles. A lot of grandparents are raising grandkids these days.

Just keep Joe away, please!!!

[Sioux_Girl]

It's like everything else, Jute. We only know what they feed us.

Debbie wants the kids, Debbie doesn't want the kids.

Katherine might be in very good shape for her age, and they have a lot of aunts and uncles. A lot of grandparents are raising grandkids these days.

Just keep Joe away, please!!!

To be honest i think they should keep BOTH Joe and Debbie away? Just a week ago Debbie was talking about getting a restraining order out against Joe and now... it looks like shes willing to sell her kids again. If i was a judge seriously..i would say fine money means more to you than your children and REVOKE all her rights as a mother just so that she cant keep blackmailing who ever has custody of them.

By the way yes some grandparents look after there children but...not many 79 yr olds are looking after 7 yr old kids. I personally think Rebee or Janet would have been better off with custody of the children.

[Ann]

Gloria Allred attempted to have the children removed from MJ's custody during, or around the time of his trial. If she had knowledge of the drugs found in the home, my guess is that she might have been successful. Why didn't she know about this? Sounds as if evidence/information was buried.

JMONever mind Gloria Allred, I think it was the Jackson family who should have intervened for Michael's sake as well as the children.

From all appearances the children were well cared for and I don't doubt Michael was a good father to them. My point is that in order to get someone into treatment who doesn't want to go, you need some kind of leverage over him. In Michael's case I think that the possibility of losing his kids may have been the only way of reaching him.

Both Jermaine and Joe have claimed publicly that they didn't know anything about anything. IMO that's pretty hard to believe. Beyond that it seems that at least part of the family, Janet, the one not financially dependent on Michael, did try to intervene. It also appears that instead of backing Janet in her attempt, Katherine and four of Michael's brothers denied that Michael had any drug problem.

[Pauli]

I wasn't going to do this because of all the problems we had with the Anna Nicole forum.. but I have decided to go ahead and make a sub-forum for Michael Jackson so all the threads for him can be in one place. It's in the Hollywood Heat forum... I'm also going to move the Anna Nicole to a sub-forum and place it there.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=176

[suburban]

I think someone, like say Al Sharpton (yea, I know) or Jesse Jackson needs to take Joe aside & tell him....DUDE....really, move your ass back to Vegas & leave the family alone, you already ruined Michael's life.....You really don't want a fight for custody, leave the grand-kids alone.

[sunstar]

Raid at Jackson's Netted Heavy Drugs
Posted Jul 10th 2009 2:30AM by TMZ Staff

Santa Barbara County Sheriff's deputies who raided Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch back in 2003 found a syringe, powerful narcotics, vials and IV bags containing what could be anesthesia.
(snipped for space)

This bothers me...back in 2003, when police raided the Neverland Ranch when the allegations of molestation charges came, why did the police not do anything then about all these drugs they found? Those I bolded have no business being in a residential home.

Why did this go undetected?
I think because at the time the only thing LE was interested in was prosecuting MJ ~ not doctors. It seems sometimes somebody has to die to get something done about all this misuse of prescription drugs. MOO

[Sioux_Girl]

I think because at the time the only thing LE was interested in was prosecuting MJ ~ not doctors. It seems sometimes somebody has to die to get something done about all this misuse of prescription drugs. MOO

The Doctors make me so mad in this case they really do.

I read an article where it said that Drs need to actually be Drs and not try and act like friends to there patients because they find it hard to say no to them when they ask for things.

Klein especially makes me mad. Hes obviously k nown Michael in a professional capacity for at least 13 or 14 years. I read on here a article by Ann saying he was meant to be top notch in his profession and yet .. i cant help wondering then how came he managed to make Michael look so bad? Why do all the operations on him? Michael was given so much treatment/drugs by these people that he never should have been and i truly hope that both Klein and Murray get charged and lose there licenses to practice.

[suburban]

The Doctors make me so mad in this case they really do.

I read an article where it said that Drs need to actually be Drs and not try and act like friends to there patients because they find it hard to say no to them when they ask for things.

Klein especially makes me mad. Hes obviously k nown Michael in a professional capacity for at least 13 or 14 years. I read on here a article by Ann saying he was meant to be top notch in his profession and yet .. i cant help wondering then how came he managed to make Michael look so bad? Why do all the operations on him? Michael was given so much treatment/drugs by these people that he never should have been and i truly hope that both Klein and Murray get charged and lose there licenses to practice.




This is what they see $$$$$$$$$$$

[Pauli]

Klein did not do Michael's operations.. he is a Dermatologist, not plastic surgeon. He is actually the one who talked Michael in to getting rid of the plastic surgeon that did his surgeries. He was trying to help Michael restore his nose by injections, not surgery. So why should Klein lose his license?

[sunstar]

The Doctors make me so mad in this case they really do.

I read an article where it said that Drs need to actually be Drs and not try and act like friends to there patients because they find it hard to say no to them when they ask for things.

Klein especially makes me mad. Hes obviously k nown Michael in a professional capacity for at least 13 or 14 years. I read on here a article by Ann saying he was meant to be top notch in his profession and yet .. i cant help wondering then how came he managed to make Michael look so bad? Why do all the operations on him? Michael was given so much treatment/drugs by these people that he never should have been and i truly hope that both Klein and Murray get charged and lose there licenses to practice.

Klein was the dermatologist not plastic surgeon. It's possible Dr. M. may be facing manslaughter charges.

Authorities Closing in On Jackson Doc

http://www.tmz.com/

[Ann]

FYI

Larry King is going to rebroadcast his interview with Dr. Arnold Klein tonight for anyone who missed it or wants to see it again.

The video I linked a few days ago was not the whole interview, so if anyone wants to see the whole thing it will be on tonight.

[Sioux_Girl]

Klein did not do Michael's operations.. he is a Dermatologist, not plastic surgeon. He is actually the one who talked Michael in to getting rid of the plastic surgeon that did his surgeries. He was trying to help Michael restore his nose by injections, not surgery. So why should Klein lose his license?

Sorry i thought he was a plastic surgeon also.

But regardless i personally think the "relationship" wasnt as it was...and i really do think he was one of the Drs giving Michael stuff he shouldnt have been

MOO

[Alibar]

To be honest i think they should keep BOTH Joe and Debbie away? Just a week ago Debbie was talking about getting a restraining order out against Joe and now... it looks like shes willing to sell her kids again. If i was a judge seriously..i would say fine money means more to you than your children and REVOKE all her rights as a mother just so that she cant keep blackmailing who ever has custody of them.

By the way yes some grandparents look after there children but...not many 79 yr olds are looking after 7 yr old kids. I personally think Rebee or Janet would have been better off with custody of the children.

Sioux, maybe Janet or Rebee don't want the job.

[Alibar]

Klein did not do Michael's operations.. he is a Dermatologist, not plastic surgeon. He is actually the one who talked Michael in to getting rid of the plastic surgeon that did his surgeries. He was trying to help Michael restore his nose by injections, not surgery. So why should Klein lose his license?

Pauli, he may not have done cosmetic surgery on Michael, but, he is both in dermatology and cosmetic surgery. The site says he is renowned in the cosmetic field... something along that line.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Beverly-Hills-CA/Arnold-William-Klein-MD-Institute-of-Dermatology-and-Cosmetic-Surgery/97467263472

[Alibar]

Sorry i thought he was a plastic surgeon also.

But regardless i personally think the "relationship" wasnt as it was...and i really do think he was one of the Drs giving Michael stuff he shouldnt have been

MOO

Sioux, you are correct in believing Klein is also a cosmetic surgeon. )))))

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Beverly-Hills-CA/Arnold-William-Klein-MD-Institute-of-Dermatology-and-Cosmetic-Surgery/97467263472

[sunstar]

Sioux, maybe Janet or Rebee don't want the job.

I agree. I think if they did they would've said something by now. :shrug1:

[Sioux_Girl]

Pauli, he may not have done cosmetic surgery on Michael, but, he is both in dermatology and cosmetic surgery. The site says he is renowned in the cosmetic field... something along that line.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Beverly-Hills-CA/Arnold-William-Klein-MD-Institute-of-Dermatology-and-Cosmetic-Surgery/97467263472

Thanks :) thats why i got confused because i read the cosmetic surgery part.

[Alibar]

Thanks :) thats why i got confused because i read the cosmetic surgery part.

My pleasure. I'm corrected so often when I know what I'm talking about, was glad the link was easy to find. I posted upthread about the doctor being in both fields, so I knew he was. I'd be interested in knowing the name of the doctor who ruined Michael's nose. Perhaps Pauli knows and will tell us.

[Jute]

Klein was the dermatologist not plastic surgeon. It's possible Dr. M. may be facing manslaughter charges.

Authorities Closing in On Jackson Doc

http://www.tmz.com/

I'm starting to get confoozed. :waitasec: Is Klein the doctor who admitted on a national morning show that he can't remember if he is MJ's children's surrogate father?

From the article (I don't believe anything anymore, regardless the source,) but this would be tragic if true. To say nothing about insanely stupid - LE would certainly know where MJ lives.

"Investigators are also suspicious of the delay in calling 911 -- the Dr. (Murray) says he waited 20 - 30 minutes because he didn't know Jackson's address that would lead paramedics to the house. Jackson lived on one of the most famous streets in the world -- one house above Sunset Blvd."

I'm not a person with celebrity "stars in my eyes" - I'm always impressed to learn that a celeb is just a "real nice guy/gal;" but how many more famous people are going to have to die before something is done about the indiscriminate prescription of and easy access to legal medications stops? Each time this happens, it becomes clear that those surrounding the person were enabling and/or ignoring the problem. JMO

[Alibar]

Jute, Dr Klein in on Larry King right now... CNN... later he will answer that question. Well, somewhat.

[Pauli]

Pauli, he may not have done cosmetic surgery on Michael, but, he is both in dermatology and cosmetic surgery. The site says he is renowned in the cosmetic field... something along that line.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Beverly-Hills-CA/Arnold-William-Klein-MD-Institute-of-Dermatology-and-Cosmetic-Surgery/97467263472

I was going by what he said on Larry King that he never did any of the plastic surgery on Michael..

Renowned for pioneering the cosmetic use of Botox and dermal fillers, Dr. Arnold William Klein IS the international authority on minimally invasive aesthetics.

From his website.. they do not offer Plastic Surgery... Which is what Sioux Girl was referring to, she thought Dr Klein did Michael's plastic surgery.


Welcome to the office of Dr. Arnold William Klein, Dr. David Charles Rish, Dr. Ilya Reyter, and Dr. Paul J. McAndrews. We are committed to being the premiere dermatology practice, offering the very best in skin care, cosmetic dermatology, skin cancer surgery and hair loss treatment. Our staff is comprised of highly trained individuals who are experts in their fields. We use only state-of-the-art equipment and top quality products to ensure the safest experience with the best results, all in a professional and elegant setting. In a rapidly growing industry, we remain at the forefront.

Here is a list of their cosmetic procedures.. They do not offer any reconstructive surgery like Michael had done.



Cosmetic Procedures (http://drarnoldklein.com/cosmetic-procedures)

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Broken Blood Vessels (http://drarnoldklein.com/broken-blood-vessels)
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Leg Veins (http://drarnoldklein.com/leg-veins)


Face & Neck Procedures (http://drarnoldklein.com/face-neck-procedures)

Face & Neck Procedures (http://drarnoldklein.com/face-neck-procedures)
Aging Eyelids (http://drarnoldklein.com/aging-eyelids)
Aging Face & Neck (http://drarnoldklein.com/aging-face-neck)
Facial Volume (http://drarnoldklein.com/facial-volume)
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Hair Procedures (http://drarnoldklein.com/hair-procedures)

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Hair Transplantation (http://drarnoldklein.com/hair-transplantation)
Laser Hair Removal (http://drarnoldklein.com/laser-hair-removal)


Skin Procedures (http://drarnoldklein.com/skin-procedures)

Skin Procedures (http://drarnoldklein.com/skin-procedures)
Acne & Acne Scars (http://drarnoldklein.com/acne-acne-scars)
Age & Brown Spots (http://drarnoldklein.com/age-brown-spots)
Birthmarks (http://drarnoldklein.com/birthmarks)
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Medical Dermatology (http://drarnoldklein.com/medical-dermatology)
Skin Cancer (http://drarnoldklein.com/skin-cancer)


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[Alibar]

The systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) that Michael had is often accompanied by an extremely painful arthritis. Not deforming, but painful. Those of us who have this can easily understand the pain Michael must have endured. I'm able to endure the pain and only take a pain pill occasionally, but, had I had to deal with a career performing, it would probably have been a different story. I work at not becoming an addict to pain meds. I have no idea what it would be like to not be hurting throughout my body.

There are others in HFTM who have this illness. I figure it may even be what drew them to this site. A place of caring. Unfortunately, that doesn't always happen, but, that's life. I just wanted to comment about Michael having great physical pain and how it could cause him to seek comfort in meds. Of course, with any auto-immune diseases, there are emotional problems, depression, etc...

[Alibar]

Thanks so much to the one who posted about the rerun on LKL tonight. I've so enjoyed watching it.

Dr Klein's voice kept reminding me of someone and finally thought of it. Tom Arnold, ex of Roseanne Barr. )))))))

[Sioux_Girl]

A interview in a Sunday paper here today

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1199092/La-Toya-Jackson-Michael-murdered--I-felt-start.html

Its quite interesting if its all true what she is saying.

According to her Michael was found in Murrays room and not his own.

[annalyzer]

Michael Jackson's sister La Toya says he was 'killed'

July 12, 2009 - 1:29PM

Michael Jackson was killed by a band of greedy hangers-on, his sister La Toya alleges in interviews with British Sunday newspapers.

The King of Pop's sister spoke about her younger brother's death and the aftermath with The Mail on Sunday and the News of the World weeklies.

"I believe Michael was murdered, I felt that from the start," the 53-year-old said.

"Not just one person was involved, rather it was a conspiracy of people. He was surrounded by a bad circle. Michael was a very meek, quiet, loving person. People took advantage of that.

"Less than a month ago, I said I thought Michael was going to die before the London shows because he was surrounded by people who didn't have his best interests at heart."

La Toya said she had ordered a private autopsy.

Jackson, one of the world's most popular entertainers, died on June 25 at the age of 50.

"Michael was worth more than a billion dollars. When anyone is worth that much money, there are always greedy people around them. I said to my family a month ago, `He's never going to make it to London'. He was worth more dead than alive."

Murder under Californian law can include killings that are not premeditated.

La Toya accused a "shadowy" group of cutting her sibling off from his family and friends and forcing him to sign up for 50 comeback concerts at London's O2 Arena, shows billed This Is It.

They saw him as a "cash cow" and "got him hooked on drugs... I think it shocked his system so much it killed him", she claimed.

"I am not going to stop until I find out who is responsible. Why did they keep the family away? It's not about money. I want justice for Michael. I won't rest until I find out what - and who - killed my brother."

La Toya said Jackson was found in the bedroom of his physician Doctor Conrad Murray.

"Michael walked from his room to Doctor Murray's room. What happened in there we don't know," she said.

La Toya said she was driving to see Jackson in hospital when her mother screamed down the phone: "He's dead!".

"I nearly crashed my car," she said. "My legs went weak ... They took me up to the area where Michael had been taken. Mother was crying and Michael's kids were crying."

She also claimed jewellery was missing from his house and no cash was found, despite the fact he regularly kept more than a million dollars around.

La Toya said the family had an open coffin viewing before the public memorial in Los Angeles' Staples Centre arena.

She put one of his sequined gloves in the coffin, while his daughter Paris, 11, put a one half a heart-shaped "mood necklace" around his wrist, keeping the other piece.

La Toya said it was Paris's idea to speak at the memorial.

Of Jackson's children, she said Paris wanted to be an entertainer, Prince Michael was "assertive", while Blanket was "very funny, a real prankster like his father".

La Toya said her brother would "absolutely not" be laid to rest at his Neverland ranch and added that Jackson's brain, removed in the autopsy, had been put back in his body.

La Toya said Jackson wanted to give up music and become a film director.

"The first one was to be a horror film called Thriller," she said. "This Is It really was the end. He didn't want to perform any more."

She said Jackson updated his will roughly every five years, "so we expect another one to emerge from 2007".

http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/people/michael-jacksons-sister-la-toya-says-he-was-killed-20090712-dh4t.html

[Ann]

A interview in a Sunday paper here today

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1199092/La-Toya-Jackson-Michael-murdered--I-felt-start.htmlIMO LaToya will say anything for a buck. IIRC years ago she turned on Michael and did make accusations about him molesting boys and also alleged that Joe had molested her sister. She later retracted all that after she divorced her husband and blamed him for making her say those things.

She had the interview with a foreign tabloid. I wouldn't be surprised if she got paid for the interview.

[Ann]

"In 1993, La Toya’s brother Michael was accused of sexually molesting a thirteen-year-old boy. La Toya addressed the allegations at a press conference, where she announced that she believed her brother was guilty. The rest of the Jackson mobilized as a united front in defense of Michael, claiming that La Toya was being controlled by Gordon, her husband and manager, to generate publicity.

In 1997, La Toya divorced Jack Gordon and ended her estrangement with her family. Since then, she has renounced her previous claim that Michael Jackson was guilty of child molestation, and the siblings have reconciled. In 2005, La Toya, accompanied Michael to the courthouse where he was found innocent on charges of child molestation, and proved that he and La Toya really were two different people."

http://www.yuddy.com/celebrity/la-toya-jackson/bio

[Jute]

The systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) that Michael had is often accompanied by an extremely painful arthritis. Not deforming, but painful. Those of us who have this can easily understand the pain Michael must have endured. I'm able to endure the pain and only take a pain pill occasionally, but, had I had to deal with a career performing, it would probably have been a different story. I work at not becoming an addict to pain meds. I have no idea what it would be like to not be hurting throughout my body.

There are others in HFTM who have this illness. I figure it may even be what drew them to this site. A place of caring. Unfortunately, that doesn't always happen, but, that's life. I just wanted to comment about Michael having great physical pain and how it could cause him to seek comfort in meds. Of course, with any auto-immune diseases, there are emotional problems, depression, etc...

Thank you for sharing your personal experience with SLE, Alibar; I know virtually nothing about the disease. I truly admire your attitude about how you will live your life - it's tough to refuse to allow a disease to take control. :love0085:

You are so right about HFTM - it is a place where many of us come, primarily to learn about the missing, but to help us put our own lives in perspective. The caring people here are like getting a gigantic hug everyday for me. :love0081:

[Jute]

"In 1993, La Toya’s brother Michael was accused of sexually molesting a thirteen-year-old boy. La Toya addressed the allegations at a press conference, where she announced that she believed her brother was guilty. The rest of the Jackson mobilized as a united front in defense of Michael, claiming that La Toya was being controlled by Gordon, her husband and manager, to generate publicity.

In 1997, La Toya divorced Jack Gordon and ended her estrangement with her family. Since then, she has renounced her previous claim that Michael Jackson was guilty of child molestation, and the siblings have reconciled. In 2005, La Toya, accompanied Michael to the courthouse where he was found innocent on charges of child molestation, and proved that he and La Toya really were two different people."

http://www.yuddy.com/celebrity/la-toya-jackson/bio

Am I crazy, or does the line I highlighted in red indicate that there was doubt as to whether La Toy and Michael were one and the same person?? :0009: I know there has been talk about La Toya having surgery that has made her resemble Michael, but I've never heard that anyone thought that something so weird.

This case is going to open the world of Michael Jackson. I pray that his children are not harmed. With the information, true and false, surfacing, it appears that MJ may finally be understood. Tragically, he is no longer here to see this happen. JMO

[Sioux_Girl]

IMO LaToya will say anything for a buck. IIRC years ago she turned on Michael and did make accusations about him molesting boys and also alleged that Joe had molested her sister. She later retracted all that after she divorced her husband and blamed him for making her say those things.

She had the interview with a foreign tabloid. I wouldn't be surprised if she got paid for the interview.

It was a 4 hour interview so im sure she did get paid for it.

However some things she has said i have heard from other sources so no i dont believe shes made it all up and to be honest why would she when the truth will come out?

And I wouldnt really call the Mail a tabloid.

Yes i think Latoya is whacko. I think the Jacksons have there problems. But it not THEIR fault hes dead. They were not the ones prescribing the drugs that most probably killed him.

[Sioux_Girl]

Am I crazy, or does the line I highlighted in red indicate that there was doubt as to whether La Toy and Michael were one and the same person?? :0009: I know there has been talk about La Toya having surgery that has made her resemble Michael, but I've never heard that anyone thought that something so weird.

This case is going to open the world of Michael Jackson. I pray that his children are not harmed. With the information, true and false, surfacing, it appears that MJ may finally be understood. Tragically, he is no longer here to see this happen. JMO

Yes...i have seen it said in many papers where they thought Latoya and Michael were one and the same lol

[Trailblazer]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090712/ap_on_en_mu/us_michael_jackson_views

Jackson, healthy or not? Depends on who's talking

In his final days, Michael Jackson was robust and active. Or dangerously thin and frail. Begging for access to powerful prescription drugs. Or showing no signs of ever having used them.

It depends on who's talking.

A dizzying collection of puzzle pieces about Jackson's health and habits has come to light since his death on June 25. With as much as a month before a toxicology report determines the cause, more are sure to emerge.

Each is likely to fuel further speculation. None is sure to produce a satisfying conclusion.

Some who knew him even seem to contradict themselves.

Here's what's known so far:

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• During his final rehearsal at the Staples Center, Jackson was captured on video doing his signature moonwalk and dance spins. Randy Phillips, CEO of concert promoter AEG Live, told CNN he was "a healthy, vibrant human being."

• Phillips later told ABC concert organizers feared that Jackson was losing weight and showing signs of wear and tear. He said he hired a staffer whose purpose was to remind Jackson to eat.

• Dr. Arnold Klein, Jackson's dermatologist, who said he last saw Jackson less than a week before he died, told CNN's Larry King that the singer was in "very good physical condition," in "a very good mood," and "was very happy."

• Klein also told CNN that he had given Jackson the painkiller Demerol but warned him about using the powerful sedative Diprivan. He also confirmed that Jackson was a former drug addict who went to rehab in England.

• "The Incredible Hulk" star Lou Ferrigno, who was helping Jackson prepare for a planned series of London concerts, told The Associated Press that he never saw Jackson take drugs, act aloof or speedy, and the singer wasn't frail when he last saw him at the end of May. "I've never seen him look better," he said.

• Two of Jackson's former confidants, medium Uri Geller and ex-bodyguard Matt Fiddes, said they tried in vain to keep the pop superstar from abusing prescription drugs. Geller said he suffered a terrible falling-out with Jackson over the issue, but not before he had to "shout at Michael, to scream at Michael" in an effort to confiscate the singer's stocks of medication during his travels in England.

• The drug Diprivan, an anesthetic widely used in operating rooms to induce unconsciousness, was found in Jackson's residence, a law enforcement official told the AP. Also known as Propofol, the drug is given intravenously and is very unusual to have in a private home.

• Cherilyn Lee, a registered nurse, told the AP she repeatedly rejected his demands for Diprivan. But a frantic phone call she received from Jackson four days before his death made her fear that he somehow obtained Diprivan or another drug to induce sleep.

• Akon, the Senegalese R&B singer and producer with whom Jackson recently recorded songs, told Billboard.com that "Michael is just one of the healthiest people that I know. He was pressuring me to stay healthy, like, 'Akon, eat right. What are you doing out there on the road? Are you eating? Are you exercising? Are you drinking a lot of water?'"

• Klein said Jackson had been suffering from lupus — a chronic disease where the immune system attacks the body's own tissue — and a skin disorder known as vitiligo.

• Jackson's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, administered CPR on Jackson's bed, rather than a hard surface, "with his hand behind his back to provide the necessary support" because the singer was so frail, the doctor's attorney, Edward Chernoff, said.

• Chernoff also told the AP that Murray never gave or prescribed Jackson the painkillers Demerol or OxyContin, and said the doctor didn't give the pop star any drugs that contributed to his death.

• Among other things, Murray's lawyers have acknowledged it took up to 30 minutes for paramedics to be summoned to Jackson's home after he was found unresponsive.

• Jackson's family requested a private autopsy in part because of questions about Murray's role, the Rev. Jesse Jackson has said.

• Kevin Mazur, a photographer documenting the Staples Center rehearsals for a tour book, told the AP that Jackson looked in perfect health. "He was very upbeat, very happy, having a good time with the dancers," Mazur said.

• Spiritual teacher Dr. Deepak Chopra told the AP he had been concerned since 2005 that Jackson was abusing painkillers and spoke to the pop star about suspected drug use as recently as six months ago. Chopra said Jackson, a longtime friend, personally asked him for painkillers in 2005; Chopra said he refused.

• Los Angeles police chief William Bratton said detectives are looking at his prescription drug history and trying to talk with his numerous former doctors. He also says police are waiting for the coroner's report before ruling out any possibilities in their "comprehensive and far-reaching" probe, which includes the Drug Enforcement Agency and the state attorney general's office.

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[Sioux_Girl]

One thing i found interesting. The pharmacy that f ined Michael for $100 000 just happened to be next door to Kleins office.


Mickey Fine Pharmacy & Grill
433 N. Roxbury Drive
Beverly Hills, CA 90210



Dr. Arnold W. Klein
435 N. Roxbury Drive
Beverly Hills, CA 90210

I seriously have no idea of your prescription prices but wouldnt $100 000 of medication be an excessive amount?

[LiveLaughLuv]

The systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) that Michael had is often accompanied by an extremely painful arthritis. Not deforming, but painful. Those of us who have this can easily understand the pain Michael must have endured. I'm able to endure the pain and only take a pain pill occasionally, but, had I had to deal with a career performing, it would probably have been a different story. I work at not becoming an addict to pain meds. I have no idea what it would be like to not be hurting throughout my body.

There are others in HFTM who have this illness. I figure it may even be what drew them to this site. A place of caring. Unfortunately, that doesn't always happen, but, that's life. I just wanted to comment about Michael having great physical pain and how it could cause him to seek comfort in meds. Of course, with any auto-immune diseases, there are emotional problems, depression, etc...


I suffer terribly from chronic pain from a rear end accident 4 years ago, which rendered me disabled..I couldn't sit for long, stand for long, walk a few steps, lie down. I was constantly moving, changing my position. My legs/hands get numb, I'm a real mess...I found a pain mgmt doctor and I get injections in my spine, epidurals and facet blocks..I have osteoarthrits throughout my spine and extensive nerve damage..I myself take oxycodone, the generic for oxycontin but I take it as directed...1 pill 3x daily...I don't look to get high just some relief from my pain...what folks don't realize, oxycodone is time released and must be taken around the clock for it's full effect...

I wish Michael would have looked for a pain mgmt doctor instead of doctors who would just give him what HE wants..Michael is gone too soon...

[LiveLaughLuv]

A interview in a Sunday paper here today

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1199092/La-Toya-Jackson-Michael-murdered--I-felt-start.html

Its quite interesting if its all true what she is saying.

According to her Michael was found in Murrays room and not his own.

Fom the link provided:

La Toya Jackson: Michael was murdered... I felt it from the start
By Caroline Graham
Last updated at 9:55 AM on 12th July 2009
Comments (19) Add to My Stories The grieving sister of superstar Michael Jackson last night blamed ‘a shadowy entourage’ of manipulative hangers-on for effectively ‘murdering’ the King of Pop.

In a moving and revealing interview, La Toya Jackson, who was closer to her vulnerable brother than anyone else and was asked to sign his death certificate, portrayed Michael as a lonely and isolated figure at the mercy of a money-motivated clique.

She accused them of cutting him off from his family and friends and forcing him, largely against his will, to sign up for the gruelling commitment of 50 concerts at London’s O2 arena.

She believes her brother was fed addictive drugs by handlers who wanted to control his moods. She says they regarded him as a ‘cash cow’ and exploited him at every turn. It was this, she believes, that led directly to his death.

Last week, Los Angeles police chief William Bratton confirmed that investigators had not ruled out homicide. Under Californian law, murder also covers killings that were not premeditated, which would be classed as manslaughter under the British legal system.

Though the formal state autopsy’s results will not be known for two weeks, La Toya has had a private autopsy conducted.

She received the results on Friday and although she won’t comment on the details until the police conclude their investigations, she did reveal that four fresh needle marks were found on Michael’s neck.

Fighting back tears, La Toya, 53, said: ‘I believe Michael was murdered, I felt that from the start. Not just one person was involved, rather it was a conspiracy of people.

He was surrounded by a bad circle. Michael was a very meek, quiet, loving person. People took advantage of that. People fought to be close to him, people who weren’t always on his side.

‘Less than a month ago, I said I thought Michael was going to die before the London shows because he was surrounded by people who didn’t have his best interests at heart.

‘Michael was worth more than a billion dollars. When anyone is worth that much money, there are always greedy people around them. I said to my family a month ago,

“He’s never going to make it to London.” He was worth more dead than alive.’
La Toya revealed Michael himself ‘never believed he would live to be an old man’ and feared he would die in his fifties.

She says: ‘By the end, Michael was isolated from his family. He had no real friends. He was the loneliest man in the world. I knew something terrible was going to happen.’

While there has been much speculation in the two weeks since Jackson’s death, less than 12 hours after he completed a punishing rehearsal, La Toya says she is speaking out now to ‘put the truth out there’.

She reveals specific details of the scene inside her brother’s rented £60,000-a-month Beverly Hills mansion. He was not found in bed, as has been widely reported, but instead was inside the nearby bedroom of his personal physician Dr Conrad Murray, a man who ‘disappeared’ from the hospital when La Toya began grilling him.

She tells how an intravenous drip stand was beside the bed and oxygen canisters lined the walls.

And La Toya tells in heartbreaking detail how she accompanied Michael’s children, Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and seven-year-old Blanket, to see their father’s body and then, last Monday night, stood with Paris over an open casket as the child gently placed an inexpensive necklace around Jackson’s wrist and tenderly garlanded his body with coloured play stones.

In person, La Toya bears a disarming likeness to her more famous sibling. She speaks in the same breathy high-pitch tone. A diminutive 5ft, she, like her brother, is clearly no stranger to the plastic surgeon’s scalpel.

But La Toya makes a compelling witness. Two years ago, she took part in a TV reality show Armed And Famous, in which she was given basic training to be a police officer, and continues to volunteer as a deputy.

And although she famously fell out with the Jackson clan in the Eighties over a book in which she described Michael as a paedophile and denounced her father Joe for bullying them as children, for the past 15 years, she has helped keep the family together.

La Toya, who had a messy divorce from her controlling former manager, Jack Gordon, 12 years ago, remained childless and became close again to Michael and his growing family, regularly seeing them at her mother’s house on Hayvenhurst Avenue in Encino.

She last saw her brother three weeks before he died. The family held a large dinner to celebrate Katherine and Joe’s 60th wedding anniversary at Michael’s favourite Indian restaurant, Chakra, in Beverly Hills.

Michael was already at the party with his children when she arrived: ‘He was standing by the door and said, “Oh La Toya, you look fabulous.” He was thin but he ate that night. Michael loves his curries. He enjoyed every minute of it. At the end, he embraced me and said, “We have to do this again.” Then he went to the door, looked back and gave me a wave goodbye. That was the last time I saw my baby brother.’

She says Paris demanded to see her father ‘one last time’. After a nurse told La Toya it would help the children grasp the reality that their father was dead, she held Paris’s hand as all three children, together with Michael’s brother Randy, went into the small ante-room off the emergency room where Michael lay, still warm to the touch.

She says: ‘There was a towel over his face and I lifted it and the kids saw him and Paris said, “Oh Daddy, I love you.”

‘We hugged and kissed him and the children lifted up his hands. He didn’t look like he was gone. His eyes were half open and he looked like he was sleeping. He wasn’t cold.

‘The kids had been screaming and crying but once they were in that room and saw Michael they stopped and became calm. We said prayers over him. I asked them, “What do you want to say to Daddy?” and they said private things to him.

Paris was holding his hand. We were all sitting around the bed. His chest was very red from the attempts to revive him. I lifted the covers to see his legs. Everything looked fine.’

She said reports Michael was bald and looked terrible without make-up were ‘plainly false’. ‘He had no make-up on but he looked fine. He just looked like Michael.’

Then, in true Hollywood fashion, Paris Hilton’s mother Kathy turned up. She had gone to school with Michael and La Toya and spent time in the room with the family, saying goodbye.

After the 30-minute farewell, La Toya signed the death certificate as the ‘informant’ who provided the information about her brother.

‘My mother and brothers chose me because I had a special bond with Michael,’ she said.

La Toya says her brother will never be buried at Neverland, his sprawling 2,400-acre former home in Central California: ‘Michael hated that place. After the second [child abuse] trial, he said to me, “I will never come back to this place again. I hate it. This place helped destroy me.”’

La Toya says the behaviour of Michael’s £100,000-a-month personal doctor, Conrad Murray, at the hospital left her deeply troubled. Dr Murray, who is not certified as a
cardiologist, did not identify himself to the family, even though La Toya says she was demanding to see Michael’s doctor ‘to find out what the hell happened’.

It was Paris who pointed out the figure dressed in white, telling La Toya: ‘There’s Dr Murray. He’s the best cardiologist in the world. How could this happen to Daddy?’

Dr Murray’s lawyers have denied any wrongdoing and say he has cooperated fully with investigators.

But La Toya says she approached the doctor, saying, ‘I want to talk to you. I want to know what happened to my brother.’ But, she says: ‘He mumbled a bunch of nothing.

He said something like, “Michael didn’t make it, I’m sorry.” It wasn’t right. It felt weird.’In all the confusion, she says, the doctor later ‘disappeared’. It is at this point, La Toya says, that her concerns were heightened. She was told by a different doctor that

Michael had fresh needle marks on his body.

According to reports, Jackson used intravenous anaesthetics to help
him sleep, including Demerol and

Diprivan, a drug never normally used outside the operating theatre.

Police also removed two bagfuls of prescription drugs issued to various aliases from pharmacies in different US states. They have subpoenaed the star’s medical records from a series of doctors. La Toya says: ‘It will all come out. You will be shocked.’

The official coroner’s report is due soon along with the results of a second autopsy, which La Toya arranged, She says: ‘We want to sit down and compare the two reports before anything is made public. I have a strong idea of what the outcome will be but
I cannot say anything at this stage.

‘He had needle marks on his neck and on his arms and more about those will emerge in the next few weeks. I cannot discuss that any further as I may jeopardise the investigation. I can, however, say that I have not changed my mind about my feeling that Michael was murdered.’

After returning from the hospital with the children and her mother to Katherine’s home, they received a troubling call from the Jackson mansion. It was Michael’s long-term assistant Michael Amin, a devout Muslim known as Brother Michael.

He told La Toya that her brother’s Lebanese-born, self-appointed business manager Dr Tohme Tohme had fired all the staff at the Beverly Hills property and at a second rented home in Las Vegas.

‘I want to know how Michael died, and then, at 11pm on the day he dies, all the staff are fired?’ she asks rhetorically. ‘That raised my suspicions.’

When she arrived at the house with her manager and close friend Jeffre Phillips, new security guards were in place.

She says: ‘I could smell and sense my brother everywhere. I could smell his favourite cologne, Black Orchid by Tom Ford. I went into his bedroom. There was a shirt discarded on the floor.’

She says Michael was taken to hospital from Dr Murray’s bedroom, across a large hall from his own. ‘Michael walked from his room to Dr Murray’s room. What happened in there we don’t know. He ended up alone in the room with the doctor.’

Shortly after midday, the doctor ran downstairs and screamed at bodyguard Alberto Alvarez to call the emergency services.

La Toya says: ‘No one was allowed upstairs apart from Dr Murray and the children. Paris has since told me that even they were not allowed in that room when Dr Murray was giving Michael his “oxygen”.

Murray, said La Toya, initially gave the star CPR on the soft surface of the bed before moving him to the ground, on the instruction of the 911 emergency operator who told him the procedure needed to be conducted on a hard surface.

She says: ‘Why, if this man was a cardiologist, was my brother on the bed? Michael was dead in that room. I was told the doctor kept telling everyone he was alive, but

Brother Michael saw him and said it was obvious he was dead. There were oxygen tanks along the wall next to the dresser. There was a metal stand with a cord hanging down. The police had already been in the house and had removed all the drugs and whatever bag was hanging there.’

Diprivan, when administered in hospital, is always given with oxygen. La Toya admits her brother had a prescription drug problem which the family believes began after he damaged his back in an on-stage accident during the Jacksons’ 1984 Victory tour.

But she insists she believes he was ‘clean’ in preparation for the O2 shows. ‘He had just been to England on a cleanse and he was drinking juices and being pure. He had cleaned everything out of his system ready to do the concerts in London.

But Michael never wanted to do 50 shows. He agreed to do ten and then the promoters and those around him added more and more shows because they were selling out.

‘It’s impossible even for a healthy person to do that many shows. Michael was fragile.

He always wanted to believe the best of people. But he was meek. In the last few months, he became isolated. I believe the staff were given strict instructions that if any of the family called, not to tell him. And if any of the family came by, not to let them in.

Those people around him didn’t care about Michael the man. They were interested in Michael the cash cow.

‘Michael didn’t keep a close eye on his finances. A lot of people made a lot of money out of Michael. The house he was renting at the end is a classic example. It would cost £15,000 a month to rent but he was charged £60,000 a month because he was Michael Jackson.’

‘As a family, we tried to get involved. We wanted to stage an intervention. But we couldn’t get near Michael. I knew something terrible was going to happen.

‘I believe he was cut off from the real world and the drugs were a way [for his hangers-on] to get in there. They got him hooked on drugs. He was pure and clean and then drugs came back into his system. I think it shocked his system so much it killed him.’

She says the family will file a civil lawsuit against anyone they believe responsible, as well as pushing for police to serve criminal charges:

‘I am going to get down to the bottom of this. I am not going to stop until I find out who is responsible. Why did they keep the family away? It’s not about money. I want justice for Michael. I won’t rest until I find out what – and who – killed my brother.’

Trawling through Michael’s personal possessions at his house, La Toya was shocked when she saw his work schedule: ‘They worked him so hard. There was no breathing room.

Every hour was packed with costume fittings, vocal lessons, rehearsals. Even Paris noticed. She told me, “They worked Daddy too hard. They worked him so hard.”

‘When someone is fragile you can’t keep them going like that. A lot of people are responsible for this, directly or indirectly. They told him, “The shows are booked, the tickets are sold.”

And Michael being Michael, he didn’t want to let down his fans.
‘His kids made him so happy but he didn’t have any real friends. His problem was he didn’t trust people. In the end, he died a lonely man surrounded by this shadowy entourage.’

While Michael regularly kept up to £1million in cash inside his home, La Toya says none was found. Nor was any of his vast collection of jewellery: ‘Someone went in there and did a good job. So many people were in the house before I got there.’

In the hours after Michael died, his sister Janet was so worried, she put her own security team in place inside the house. The sisters plan to move all of Michael’s possessions into storage to safeguard them for his children.

La Toya says the children are coping well. They are with Katherine and nanny Grace Rwaramba who turned up for a day ‘and has been there ever since.’ La Toya says, however, she is ‘highly suspicious’ of the nanny’s motives.

‘The family has mixed feelings about her,’ she says. ‘Mother says she wants to be with the kids but I warned her to be careful. It’s not like the children like or dislike her. They like everyone. Mother is gullible and feels sorry for her.’

She says reports that Grace was Michael’s girlfriend are false. ‘I heard Grace liked Michael but he didn’t like her. He let her go last Christmas. I have a lot of questions about Grace. She was instrumental in keeping the family away. All of a sudden she is back, listening and watching the family. I think her behaviour is odd.’

La Toya says her focus is now on the children. All three are said to be well-behaved but innocent of the wider world. They don’t watch television. They are tutored at home and are only allowed to watch Disney movies. The family have hired a grief counsellor for them.

She added: ‘Michael always said he was a single parent. But he was a very good parent. It was funny seeing him changing nappies, because you never imagine him that way. But Michael was a hands-on dad. He was quite an expert. They are happy children, despite what has happened.

‘Paris wants to be an entertainer. Prince Michael, the oldest, is assertive. I see such sadness there. He cried at the hospital but hasn’t cried since. He has become the little man of the family. Blanket is the baby. He is very funny, a real prankster like his father.’

Although the memorial was watched by millions on TV, the most poignant farewell came last Monday night at Forest Lawn Cemetery, where the family had an open coffin viewing.

She says Paris bought a cheap ‘mood’ necklace – a metal heart which changes colour when it touches the skin. ‘The heart is in two pieces. Paris told me, “I want one half to go to Daddy and I will wear the other half for ever.”

‘She carefully wrapped it around his wrist. She said; “Daddy this is for you.” Then she placed it on him and said, “On Daddy, it will be blue because he is cold. On me, it’s purple.”

‘She got some coloured stones and she decorated his body. She said, “He’s so cold, he is so cold.” His lips were slightly swollen from the autopsy. She asked, “Who did that to Daddy?” I told her it was because he had passed.

‘I put one of his sequined gloves in there. And a pair of his favourite sunglasses.’


Yet to rest in peace: Jackson's body has been been temporarily placed in a crypt at Forest Lawn belonging to Motown record founder Berry Gordy while the family decides on a final burial place
Michael Bush, Michael’s long-time costumier, made an elaborate cream jacket decorated with pearls and beads. He was dressed in black trousers with a large gold belt with two cherubs on either side of the buckle. Karen Faye, his make-up artist, applied cosmetics to his face.

La Toya says: ‘I am so proud of Paris for speaking at the memorial service. When Stevie Wonder was performing she whispered to me, “Auntie La Toya, I want to go up there and say something about Daddy.”

I couldn’t just walk her up on stage but at the end, when we were singing We Are The World, she said, “I’m too shy now” but then changed her mind and said those words about loving her Daddy that everyone saw.

‘The boys didn’t want to come to the viewing, but Paris was insistent. She wears Michael T-shirts every day and the walls of her room are covered with posters and pictures of her daddy. She still writes him letters every day, sweet lovely letters about how much she loves him.

‘Her letters are brilliant. When you read them you cry. She loves the light on stage. She is always singing Daddy’s songs and she is special. She has it – the X factor.’

La Toya says she was shocked by the emergence of a 2002 will stating Diana Ross should be a back-up to Jackson matriarch Katherine as the children’s guardian.

She says: ‘Michael always told us that he wanted his eldest sister Rebbie Jackson to look after the children. Rebbie had a nice family, which Michael loved. He told many family members that she was his choice. We believe there is another will which will emerge. He updated his wills almost every five years, so we expect one to come out from 2007.

As the question of the children’s future remains unresolved, Debbie Rowe, the birth mother of the two eldest, is expected to begin her fight for custody of the children in the Los Angeles courts next week.

La Toya dismisses her: ‘These are not Debbie’s kids. They don’t even know she’s their mother. Like everyone else in his life, she was motivated by money. She has always said she’s not their mother.

Peaceful: The grounds of Forest Lawn Memorial-Park and Mortuary in Los Angeles, California. Michael Jackson's death certificate lists Forest Lawn as the place where his body is being held

‘My understanding is that she will now go after the kids. I know a few things about Debbie and I will prevent that from happening.

‘Debbie has only seen the children a handful of times. Michael never introduced her as their mother.’

She confirmed that Blanket, the youngest, was created from a donor egg and donated sperm: ‘Michael didn’t want to know who the biological parents were.

‘They took eggs from a donor and I believe the sperm came from one of five donors picked from a book. Michael didn’t know who the mother and father were. I don’t know who carried the child and if the surrogate knew whose child she was carrying.

‘Those children were his greatest joy. He was a superstar but the only people who loved him unconditionally were the children.’

She fears for her mother, Katherine now 79: ‘She’s the rock of the family, but I’m the glue that holds it all together. Everyone is hurting. I’ve hardly slept since this started. I am frightened the stress will hurt Mother.

‘Michael knew he was never going to be a grey-haired old man. He
didn’t want to grow old. He told me he thought he would die in his 50s. He said he would get married at 45 and die around 50. He had a gut feeling.’

Despite the intense pressures, La Toya is convinced Michael had much to look forward to. He was trying to buy a £40million house in Las Vegas from the Sultan of Brunei, which was to have been his base after the O2 shows ended.

He was reading books on directing movies. ‘The first one was to be a
horror film called Thriller,’ she said. ‘He had already designed the poster. He was going to retire from music. This Is It really was the end. He didn’t want to perform any more.’

Ironically, the extended Jackson family, which has been badly fractured throughout the years, now appear to be united in their grief and determination to seek the truth about Michael’s death.

As La Toya puts it: ‘I’m doing what I can to find out how he died. If he died of a drug overdose, then I want to find who supplied him the drugs and who first introduced him to them. We’ve still not had a chance to speak to Dr Murray about Michael’s final days. I need to know what he may have seen or heard.

‘Michael didn’t have to die. We are all mourning his loss, more than anyone can ever know. But we are also determined to get to the bottom of what happened to him.’

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There is so much more to post. Thanks Sioux it's a good read...

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FYI

Larry King is going to rebroadcast his interview with Dr. Arnold Klein tonight for anyone who missed it or wants to see it again.

The video I linked a few days ago was not the whole interview, so if anyone wants to see the whole thing it will be on tonight.

I don't know where but I saw a clip of Dr. Klein. There are whispers that he may be the sperm donor to Prince Michael I...I think so, for when I look at his eyes, they are like Michael's first son. They sort of look lazy, I can't explain it well but they move separately. I know there's a name for that condition but I can't get it to roll off my tongue...:0doh:

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Debbie Rowe strikes deal with Michael Jackson's mother Katherine - to keep his father Joe away from the children
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 11:55 AM on 12th July 2009
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Michael Jackson's mother Katherine and his ex-wife Debbie Rowe have reportedly stuck a deal to protect the superstar's children from his father.

Lawyers acting for both women are said to have met on Friday, for talks on how to exclude Joe Jackson from bringing up Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and seven-year-old Blanket.

Under their deal, Katherine will raise the children in accordance with Michael's will - but Debbie, who will drop her custody claim, will have regular access.

A custody hearing that was scheduled for Monday has now been postponed until July 20, giving the pair time to iron out the details.

A source close to Debbie's attorney told the Sunday Mirror: 'The last thing she wanted was for those kids to be looked after by Joe and go through what Michael went through.


'When they were together, Michael poured out his heart about how much he loathed Joe for what he had done. And Katherine knows it's best for the children if they can settle it between themselves and keep it all out of the courts.'

The source went on: 'They can't stop Joseph seeing the kids at family functions and parties, but they can and will fight to prevent him having any formal role whatsoever in their upbringing.'

In 2007, Michael accused his father - who he does not mention in his will - of beating him when he was a child.

'My father would rehearse with a belt in his hand, you couldn't mess up. I would never get spanked during rehearsals or practice - but afterwards was when i got in trouble,' the singer said.

Since his death on June 25th, Joe has reportedly been appraising the children's performing potential. 'I keep looking at Paris and she wants to do something and Blanket, he can really dance,' the Jackson patriarch said.
Despite being estranged from Katherine for five years, he has also insisted they should have joint custody of the children.

'We should keep them all happy, feed 'em like they're supposed to be fed and let them get rest, plenty of sleep and grow up be strong Jacksons,' he said.

The children are currently living in the Jackson family compound in Encino, California, where they are receiving grief counselling.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1199026/Debbie-Rowe-strikes-deal-Michael-Jacksons-mother-Katherine--father-Joe-away-children.html

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Debbie Rowe strikes deal with Michael Jackson's mother Katherine - to keep his father Joe away from the children
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 11:55 AM on 12th July 2009
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Michael Jackson's mother Katherine and his ex-wife Debbie Rowe have reportedly stuck a deal to protect the superstar's children from his father.

Lawyers acting for both women are said to have met on Friday, for talks on how to exclude Joe Jackson from bringing up Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and seven-year-old Blanket.

Under their deal, Katherine will raise the children in accordance with Michael's will - but Debbie, who will drop her custody claim, will have regular access.

A custody hearing that was scheduled for Monday has now been postponed until July 20, giving the pair time to iron out the details.

A source close to Debbie's attorney told the Sunday Mirror: 'The last thing she wanted was for those kids to be looked after by Joe and go through what Michael went through.


'When they were together, Michael poured out his heart about how much he loathed Joe for what he had done. And Katherine knows it's best for the children if they can settle it between themselves and keep it all out of the courts.'

The source went on: 'They can't stop Joseph seeing the kids at family functions and parties, but they can and will fight to prevent him having any formal role whatsoever in their upbringing.'

In 2007, Michael accused his father - who he does not mention in his will - of beating him when he was a child.

'My father would rehearse with a belt in his hand, you couldn't mess up. I would never get spanked during rehearsals or practice - but afterwards was when i got in trouble,' the singer said.

Since his death on June 25th, Joe has reportedly been appraising the children's performing potential. 'I keep looking at Paris and she wants to do something and Blanket, he can really dance,' the Jackson patriarch said.
Despite being estranged from Katherine for five years, he has also insisted they should have joint custody of the children.

'We should keep them all happy, feed 'em like they're supposed to be fed and let them get rest, plenty of sleep and grow up be strong Jacksons,' he said.

The children are currently living in the Jackson family compound in Encino, California, where they are receiving grief counselling.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1199026/Debbie-Rowe-strikes-deal-Michael-Jacksons-mother-Katherine--father-Joe-away-children.html

Personally what i would like is for Katherine to come out publically and say she doesnt agree with what Joe is saying and that he will have no say in the childrens upbringing ( should she get custody).

[Roamer]

I know we can't believe all of what we read, but I hope this article is true.

[annalyzer]

I haven't paid much attention to what's been coming out because I don't know what is true or not. But for this to be on the front page Yahoo news

Joe Jackson Makes Bid for Care of Michael's Kids I'm just shaking my head. No wonder Dr. Klein told Debbie she needed to save the kids after MJ died. I'm thinking he's right. WTH is going on???

[Sioux_Girl]

I haven't paid much attention to what's been coming out because I don't know what is true or not. But for this to be on the front page Yahoo news

Joe Jackson Makes Bid for Care of Michael's Kids I'm just shaking my head. No wonder Dr. Klein told Debbie she needed to save the kids after MJ died. I'm thinking he's right. WTH is going on???

The problem is...to Debbie there a means of getting cash also...so wheres the difference? Although i dont think Joe should get them either.

Would be good if they could say to people ok...who wants the children but no cash will be given to look after them only basic expenses. At least it would determine who really wanted them.

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http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/12/michael-jackson-dentists-doctors-adiction-propofol-anesthesia/

Jackson Targeted Dentists to Fuel Addiction

Doctors aren't the only ones in the cross hairs of authorities who want to find out how Michael Jackson scored various drugs, including anesthesia -- turns out Jackson knew his way around various dental offices as well.

As we have already reported, medical professionals have told TMZ Jackson was an "anesthesia addict," who would would seek out Propofol and other drugs that would sedate him or knock him out. Law enforcement is aware of this, sources say, and dental offices are part of their investigation.

Several Los Angeles doctors have told TMZ it was known in medical circles that Jackson used dentists to feed his habit.

A story just published in the Las Vegas Review-Journal buttresses the stories we've been reporting -- that Jackson had "doctor shopping" down to a science. According to the report, in 2003, a doctor (who spoke on the condition of anonymity) was summoned to Jackson's suite at the Mirage in Vegas.

The doctor says Jackson complained of a sore throat and cough and quickly determined it was a ploy to score prescription drugs. The doctor said, "The whole thing was staged. It was all a lie. They just wanted drugs. They wanted me to call in all these pills under someone else's name."

The doctor says when he refused to go along, Jackson's handlers intimidated him, saying doctors always helped the singer. The MD says at one point he said, "I'll see what I can do," and the handler "came up to me and put a finger in my chest and said 'You do that.'"

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-et-jackson-graves11-2009jul11,0,6199573.story

A Michael Jackson burial site remains a mystery for now

'It's going to be Graceland West' if the King of Pop has a public grave site, says one tour operator.

This summer at Dearly Departed Tours, business has never been better -- and that was before Michael Jackson's sudden death. In the days since, the company that drives tour buses to spots where celebrities have met their end has added a stop at the rented Holmby Hills mansion where the pop star collapsed.

People are so fascinated with Hollywood's history of death and crime that Dearly Departed has added 100 tours a month compared with a year ago, said owner Scott Michaels. His clientele have always wanted to see where the Manson family murders took place, where Marilyn Monroe lived. These days, Michaels said, the first thing people ask about is the Jackson site.


That leads to the inevitable speculation about the final disposition of his remains, so far shrouded in mystery.

"If he's buried somewhere where the public has access to it, it's going to be Graceland West," Michaels said.

The real Graceland, Elvis Presley's world-famous mansion, attracts 600,000 visitors annually and is one of the top home tours in the country. A "VIP tour" that includes a swing past Presley's grave costs $69 per adult.


Assuming Jackson's body ends up in a tomb that fans can find, the spot could become a shrine for the ages, experts in celebrity worship say, akin to Graceland or Doors frontman Jim Morrison's grave in Paris, a mecca for rock pilgrims, a magnet for makeshift memorials and an eternal nuisance to French authorities.

Wonder why there's no pilgrimage to the tombs of rock stars John Lennon and Kurt Cobain? Their families had their remains cremated, with ashes either scattered or given to a survivor, leaving no shrine for posterity, no scene for the hordes.

On the other hand, visit Bob Marley's mausoleum in Jamaica, said to be sacred to Rastafarians, and you can buy souvenirs of the late reggae star at the adjoining tourist center.

Visitors steadily trek to Monroe's grave in Westwood -- and for those who can't make the trip, there are video tours on YouTube.

Soon after news of Jackson's collapse June 25, mourners and looky-loos jammed the street outside his home. Michaels waited five or six days to bus in customers, after "the mental people started leaving."

Some might object to such a description of celebrity death-worshipers, the kind of devotees who imbue these grave sites with the hushed reverence accorded saints' tombs. But even academic research suggests that celebrity death fixation can get a little, well, crazy.

In a recent study ("Elvis: Dead and Loving It -- the Influence of Attraction, Nostalgia, and Risk in Dead Celebrity Attitude Formation"), four researchers at the University of Memphis noted that "celebrity worship is often associated with poor mental health, such as social dysfunction, depression, and anxiety" as well as a "lack of education."

Yet ours is a celebrity-obsessed culture, and even for the sane among us, that obsession does not necessarily end with a celebrity's death. Before Jackson's passing, the university researchers polled 161 college students and discovered the most popular dead celebrity among the students was Chris Farley, followed by Heath Ledger, Bernie Mac, Marley, Tupac Shakur and Presley. Monroe was No. 9; Morrison did not make the list at all.

"There's a thread running there," USC professor Leo Braudy, who has extensively studied celebrity culture, said of the roster.

Braudy argues that show business is a "secular religion," and thus certain dead celebrities come to be seen as "secular martyrs" worthy of elaborate displays of devotion.

"It's someone who's committed suicide or has died before his time," he said. "Someone cut off, a person of lost potential." Thus the posthumous cults for Cobain, Lennon and James Dean, all of whom died unexpectedly (and violently) and who, perhaps as a consequence, ranked high in the dead-celebrities survey.

The phenomenon of the celebrity martyr, Braudy said, can be traced to silent-movie star Rudolph Valentino, whose 1926 death after an appendicitis operation sparked a riot at the New York funeral home where the service was held.

But fame is relative and memories can be short. Today, Valentino's crypt in the Hollywood Forever cemetery attracts scant attention beyond film buffs. On a recent visit, the crypt was bedecked with vases of dead flowers. Three tourists snapped a picture but then quickly wheeled away to look at the crypt for actor Peter Finch.

As Braudy said, "Once the generation passes that had an emotional connection" to the dead celebrity, the worship phenomenon is "more of a historical interest."

But as long as a VIP's memory remains fresh, his or her grave site can become a major hassle for the living.

Celebrity graves can make tempting targets for criminals. A few months after his 1977 death, the remains of silent film star Charlie Chaplin were stolen from the Corsier-sur- Vevey cemetery in Switzerland. (They were later recovered and reburied.) Dean, killed in a 1955 car crash, was buried in his hometown of Fairmont, Ind., where the headstone has been chipped away by fans and was once even stolen intact. (It was found and returned.)

Morrison's grave in the Pere Lachaise Cemetery is one of the most popular tourist attractions in Paris but also an ongoing nightmare for French officials. An early marker was filched in 1973. In 1981, a new gravestone and bust were erected on the 10th anniversary of his death. That bust was defaced and then disappeared in 1988. More recently, Morrison's family placed a flat stone on the grave, which is under surveillance by security guards.


This may explain why many celebrities and their families cremate the remains or keep their final resting spots away from prying eyes and hands. At Forest Lawn cemetery in Glendale, the remains of stars locked away in vaults inaccessible to the general public include Humphrey Bogart, Sam Cooke and Sammy Davis Jr.

But graves can be big business. At least three websites tell where stars rest: findadeath.com, findagrave.com and beneathlosangeles.com.

And it's a living for people like Benny Hill. The veteran limo driver runs a "grave line" tour service that shepherds tourists to the graves of celebrities such as Farrah Fawcett, who was recently buried in the same Westwood cemetery were Monroe was buried, as well as Natalie Wood, Dean Martin, Jack Lemmon, Walter Matthau and Burt Lancaster.


"They want to see where people get killed or died, murdered or buried," Hill said.

Even in the celebrity-packed Westwood cemetery, there's no doubt which decedent has the most sought-after grave. Rumor has it that other celebrities have bid top dollar for the plot adjacent to Monroe's, Hill said. And then there's the physical evidence.

Monroe's grave marker is "the dirtiest one there," Hill said. "You look at the wall and there is lipstick, fingerprints, handprints."

[Ann]

One thing i found interesting. The pharmacy that f ined Michael for $100 000 just happened to be next door to Kleins office.


Mickey Fine Pharmacy & Grill
433 N. Roxbury Drive
Beverly Hills, CA 90210



Dr. Arnold W. Klein
435 N. Roxbury Drive
Beverly Hills, CA 90210

I seriously have no idea of your prescription prices but wouldnt $100 000 of medication be an excessive amount?


So? I'm just not ready to convict Klein--Murray IMO is another matter.

Incidentally, pharmacists are are supposed to be one of the gatekeepers in alerting authorities about drug abuse. So why didn't that pharmacy question the amount of drugs Michael was getting that resulted in that kind of bill?

Days after Michael died a news reporter stopped a van from Mickey Fine's Pharmacy that was in the neighborhood and questioned the driver. The driver was asked if he ever delivered to Michael's home. He said yes. He said he delievered there and the delieveries were under different names. So what was that pharmacy doing?

http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/michael_jackson/delivery_guy_at_mickey_fine_ph.php

[Ann]

I know we can't believe all of what we read, but I hope this article is true.
Me too. I do think that arrangement would be in the children's best interest.

[lost indie]

Joe.....oy vey...

He mentions what a good entertainer Paris could be and what a great dancer the "little one" is. Never mentions Prince. If you're going to mention your grandkids like that....you say something about each of them. I had heard that Prince was going to take part in his dad's tour.

But Paris. That is one little girl who speaks her mind! Maybe she does have a little Debbie Rowe in her. :faintTHUD: She has the confidence of a mature woman. I'm glad she wanted to see her daddy after he passed. I'm glad she voiced that. The mood necklaces and play stones are the sweetest thing ever. She saw that they were working her dad too hard and I would guess she voiced that as well.

Is it just me or do the kids seem to be getting darker? Prince was a white blonde baby. None of them looked black in the least bit when they were younger.

I wish them well.

[Emyo]

Joe.....oy vey...

He mentions what a good entertainer Paris could be and what a great dancer the "little one" is. Never mentions Prince. If you're going to mention your grandkids like that....you say something about each of them. I had heard that Prince was going to take part in his dad's tour.

But Paris. That is one little girl who speaks her mind! Maybe she does have a little Debbie Rowe in her. :faintTHUD: She has the confidence of a mature woman. I'm glad she wanted to see her daddy after he passed. I'm glad she voiced that. The mood necklaces and play stones are the sweetest thing ever. She saw that they were working her dad too hard and I would guess she voiced that as well.

Is it just me or do the kids seem to be getting darker? Prince was a white blonde baby. None of them looked black in the least bit when they were younger.

I wish them well.


Just my opinion, but one of those links from the UK quoted Latoya as saying Prince was "assertive". Sounds like a good thing to me but it may just mean that he speaks his mind, lol. And doesn't take any cr@p from anyone. Who knows. Just thinking about those children breaks my heart. To think that right now they are somewhere and the pain they must be in :sad0119:

jmo

[sunstar]

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There is so much more to post. Thanks Sioux it's a good read...

And thank you for reposting a lot of the article here. So often the articles disappear when we're trying to look them up again it's nice to have a lot of the contents here to refer back to, and not just the link. :INhouseReading04:

One thing that stuck out to me was the celebration of the Jacksons' 60th wedding anniversary a few weeks ago. That doesn't sound to me like they're separated or that he wouldn't have a say in regards to MJ's kids. Just a little disturbing, imo. :g:

[Ann]

As far as La Toya's claims that Micael was being forced to do those concerts, there seems to be more to the story. Apparently the Jackson brothers wanted Michael to tour with them. Michael contracted to do the O2 concerts instead which caused a falling out between them. IMO Michael knew his own concert would be more of a draw than doing one with his brothers trying to resurrect the Jackson Five and it was a business decision. I think Michael outgrew his brothers long ago as far as his musical performances went.



"Michael Jackson “This Is It” Run Threatened By Jackson 5 Lawsuit
5/11/09, 4:52 pm EST


In March, Michael Jackson sold out a record-breaking 50 consecutive nights at London’s O2 Arena, but now a lawsuit is threatening his historic “This Is It” run before it even hits the stage. That’s the word from TMZ, who reports that the This Is It concerts violate a previous contract signed by Jackson’s manager that would have brought about a Jackson 5 reunion tour with Michael and Janet Jackson. Under the terms of that contract, Jackson would have been prevented from performing anywhere for 18 months, which Jackson’s 50 shows in London clearly violates.

According to TMZ, Jackson 5 tour organizers AllGood Entertainment filed a cease-and-desist lawsuit against the This Is It tour when Jackson’s manager Frank Delio allegedly signed the reunion tour contract late in 2008. Jermaine Jackson told the Australian press in October 2008 that the family would get back together for a new album and tour in 2009, which Michael was quick to deny in an official statement the very next day. “My brothers and sisters have my full love and support, and we’ve certainly shared many great experiences, but at this time I have no plans to record or tour with them,” Michael said, adding, “I am now in the studio developing new and exciting projects that I look forward to sharing with my fans in concert soon.”

A few months later, the This Is It run was announced and quickly sold out.

While Jackson himself reportedly never put pen to paper on the Jackson 5 contract, his manager Delio did, but in law an agent can sign for his client so the agreement seems like it might be legally binding. So AllGood Entertainment want all the London shows canceled. Jackson’s official Website has not yet commented on this new lawsuit. As of now, Jackson’s This Is It run is scheduled to kick off July 8th and conclude February 24th, 2010."

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/11/michael-jackson-this-is-it-run-threatened-by-jackson-5-lawsuit/

[Jute]

I suffer terribly from chronic pain from a rear end accident 4 years ago, which rendered me disabled..I couldn't sit for long, stand for long, walk a few steps, lie down. I was constantly moving, changing my position. My legs/hands get numb, I'm a real mess...I found a pain mgmt doctor and I get injections in my spine, epidurals and facet blocks..I have osteoarthrits throughout my spine and extensive nerve damage..I myself take oxycodone, the generic for oxycontin but I take it as directed...1 pill 3x daily...I don't look to get high just some relief from my pain...what folks don't realize, oxycodone is time released and must be taken around the clock for it's full effect...

I wish Michael would have looked for a pain mgmt doctor instead of doctors who would just give him what HE wants..Michael is gone too soon...

I'm sorry to learn that you, too, live with such incredible pain, Luv. :021: But you have the same wisdom that Alibar and others do - you have sought means other than living in a drugged out state in order to actually live your life. I can't imagine your back pain; I injured my back a few years ago (first time my back had ever hurt) and was in agony for months. I, too was given oxycodone (20, to be exact - I still have a couple :smile:) and took them as directed. I was fortunate, PT was successful in straightening my spine - all I have left is some muscle damage. Your courage just doesn't surprise me one bit. :kissyface4:

What I find so sad is that addiction to pain medication is not that uncommon among well-known figures; Brett Favre went into rehab and openly acknowledged it with no criticism from the public. MJ went into rehab for his addiction in 1993; 16 years later he has died from it. Where were the people who knew and supposedly loved him? There is no way that he was not showing significant signs of damage from his meds - I guess he really was just a cash-cow. Terribly sad. JMO

[Jute]

I haven't paid much attention to what's been coming out because I don't know what is true or not. But for this to be on the front page Yahoo news

Joe Jackson Makes Bid for Care of Michael's Kids I'm just shaking my head. No wonder Dr. Klein told Debbie she needed to save the kids after MJ died. I'm thinking he's right. WTH is going on???

Snipped from Luv's article:

In 2007, Michael accused his father - who he does not mention in his will - of beating him when he was a child.

'My father would rehearse with a belt in his hand, you couldn't mess up. I would never get spanked during rehearsals or practice - but afterwards was when i got in trouble,' the singer said.

Since his death on June 25th, Joe has reportedly been appraising the children's performing potential. 'I keep looking at Paris and she wants to do something and Blanket, he can really dance,' the Jackson patriarch said.
Despite being estranged from Katherine for five years, he has also insisted they should have joint custody of the children.

'We should keep them all happy, feed 'em like they're supposed to be fed and let them get rest, plenty of sleep and grow up be strong Jacksons,' he said.

The children are currently living in the Jackson family compound in Encino, California, where they are receiving grief counselling.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...-children.html

Grow up with the use of a belt? I pray that Joe Jackson is never allowed within 50 ft. of these children - they have suffered far too much already. JMO

[Sioux_Girl]

So? I'm just not ready to convict Klein--Murray IMO is another matter.

Incidentally, pharmacists are are supposed to be one of the gatekeepers in alerting authorities about drug abuse. So why didn't that pharmacy question the amount of drugs Michael was getting that resulted in that kind of bill?

Days after Michael died a news reporter stopped a van from Mickey Fine's Pharmacy that was in the neighborhood and questioned the driver. The driver was asked if he ever delivered to Michael's home. He said yes. He said he delievered there and the delieveries were under different names. So what was that pharmacy doing?

http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/michael_jackson/delivery_guy_at_mickey_fine_ph.php

Yes..apparently Klein was writing prescriptions in the bodyguards name for Michael which i believe is a offence for starters.

As for the pharmacy..other people are at the house ie his workers. If the Dr was putting prescriptions in the workers names how are the pharmacists at fault? IMO the fault lays with the one who wrote the prescriptions. The one who should have known better. MOO

[Ann]

Yes..apparently Klein was writing prescriptions in the bodyguards name for Michael which i believe is a offence for starters.

As for the pharmacy..other people are at the house ie his workers. If the Dr was putting prescriptions in the workers names how are the pharmacists at fault? IMO the fault lays with the one who wrote the prescriptions. The one who should have known better. MOO

They would know by who the meds were billed to. The bill was $100,000 to Michael. IMO they knew.

Santa Babara PD knew in 2003 what was going on and did nothing about it.

[Sioux_Girl]

As far as La Toya's claims that Micael was being forced to do those concerts, there seems to be more to the story. Apparently the Jackson brothers wanted Michael to tour with them. Michael contracted to do the O2 concerts instead which caused a falling out between them. IMO Michael knew his own concert would be more of a draw than doing one with his brothers trying to resurrect the Jackson Five and it was a business decision. I think Michael outgrew his brothers long ago as far as his musical performances went.



"Michael Jackson “This Is It” Run Threatened By Jackson 5 Lawsuit
5/11/09, 4:52 pm EST


In March, Michael Jackson sold out a record-breaking 50 consecutive nights at London’s O2 Arena, but now a lawsuit is threatening his historic “This Is It” run before it even hits the stage. That’s the word from TMZ, who reports that the This Is It concerts violate a previous contract signed by Jackson’s manager that would have brought about a Jackson 5 reunion tour with Michael and Janet Jackson. Under the terms of that contract, Jackson would have been prevented from performing anywhere for 18 months, which Jackson’s 50 shows in London clearly violates.

According to TMZ, Jackson 5 tour organizers AllGood Entertainment filed a cease-and-desist lawsuit against the This Is It tour when Jackson’s manager Frank Delio allegedly signed the reunion tour contract late in 2008. Jermaine Jackson told the Australian press in October 2008 that the family would get back together for a new album and tour in 2009, which Michael was quick to deny in an official statement the very next day. “My brothers and sisters have my full love and support, and we’ve certainly shared many great experiences, but at this time I have no plans to record or tour with them,” Michael said, adding, “I am now in the studio developing new and exciting projects that I look forward to sharing with my fans in concert soon.”

A few months later, the This Is It run was announced and quickly sold out.

While Jackson himself reportedly never put pen to paper on the Jackson 5 contract, his manager Delio did, but in law an agent can sign for his client so the agreement seems like it might be legally binding. So AllGood Entertainment want all the London shows canceled. Jackson’s official Website has not yet commented on this new lawsuit. As of now, Jackson’s This Is It run is scheduled to kick off July 8th and conclude February 24th, 2010."

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/11/michael-jackson-this-is-it-run-threatened-by-jackson-5-lawsuit/


Michael reportedly only signed up for 1o concerts at the 02 yes. In that Latoya is correct. I also read days before his death in a paper here that he was complaining that he had only signed up for 10 shows and because they kept selling out they just kept adding more shows. Its all been pretty big news about that for months over here and in all honesty i think they had a cheek to add m ore concerts..especially FORTY more than he had agreed to without even asking him.

He was 50 and hadnt performed in years or did any concerts. And all of a sudden the 10 he had agreed to was altered...with just one day between concerts. Even singers 30 years younger than him would have problems with that schedule and there was a LOT of talk here that the concerts wouldnt take place.

[Jute]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/12/michael-jackson-dentists-doctors-adiction-propofol-anesthesia/

Jackson Targeted Dentists to Fuel Addiction

Doctors aren't the only ones in the cross hairs of authorities who want to find out how Michael Jackson scored various drugs, including anesthesia -- turns out Jackson knew his way around various dental offices as well.

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The Jackson family is waging an all-out war right now, but it's too late. Why didn't all of this concern show up until it was too late? Janet appears to be the only one who tried to be pro-active, and she was overruled.

Families of alcoholics are often counseled that, if the alcoholic won't accept help, they need to 'let them go' because they will be destroyed themselves. When this decision is made, families don't go after liquor companies, bars, liquor store owners, etc. after the person dies of an alcohol-related disease or problem.

The time to go after everyone is long past. Janet's suggestion of an (attempted) intervention might have saved MJ's life - but the family denied he had problems. JMO