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Roamer
07-26-2009, 05:07 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090725/ap_on_re_us/us_prayer_death

By ROBERT IMRIE, Associated Press Writer Robert Imrie, Associated Press Writer – Sat Jul 25, 2:56 pm ET

WAUSAU, Wis. – A Wisconsin man accused of killing his daughter by praying instead of seeking lifesaving medical help considered her illness "a test of his faith," a prosecutor told jurors Saturday.

Dale Neumann, 47, is a "full-Gospel Christian," who did not know his 11-year-old daughter had diabetes, his defense attorney said. There's also not "a shred of evidence" Neumann knew his prayers would fail to help his daughter or cause her death, the lawyer said.

Neumann is charged with second-degree reckless homicide in the 2008 death of his daughter Madeline Neumann, called Kara by her parents. His wife, Leilani, was convicted of the same charge this spring and faces up to 25 years in prison when sentenced Oct. 6.

The girl died from undiagnosed diabetes on March 23, 2008, surrounded by people praying at the family's rural home in Weston in central Wisconsin. Someone called 911 when she stopped breathing.

Prosecutors contend Neumann recklessly killed the youngest of his four children by ignoring her deteriorating health. They claim the girl was too weak to speak, eat, drink or walk and Neumann had a legal duty to take her to a doctor.

Marathon County Circuit Judge Vincent Howard scheduled opening statements during a rare Saturday court session to try to make sure the trial ended by Friday. An eight-man, six-woman jury begins hearing witness testimony Monday.

An Oregon jury on Thursday convicted a father of misdemeanor criminal mistreatment for relying on prayer instead of seeking medical care for his 15-month-old daughter who died of pneumonia and a blood infection in March 2008. The father and mother were acquitted of a more serious manslaughter charge.

Marathon County Assistant District Attorney Lance Leonhard stood next to a picture of a smiling Madeline Neumann on a large TV screen as he told the jury the sweet, mild-mannered child liked arts and crafts and loved her God.

"This case is not about parents having the right to raise their children as they see fit or the right to pray," he said. "This case is about Madeline Kara Neumann's needless suffering and death."

Her parents knew the child was gravely ill — they had used a large syringe to squirt chicken broth in her mouth to give her nourishment, Leonhard said. Still, he said, "They depended solely on God to heal her."

Dale Neumann told a Bible study friend he considered his daughter's illness "a test of his faith," Leonhard said.

No one can survive untreated diabetes, but medical statistics show 998 out of 1,000 people in the same stage of illness as Kara can be successfully treated with fluids and insulin, he said.

Defense attorney Jay Kronenwetter told jurors the efforts of the ambulance attendants or doctors who eventually cared for Kara might have caused her death. It's also not certain the girl would have lived if she had gotten to doctors earlier, he said.

"Quite likely, what they would have done, the standard procedures, would have hastened her death because of the way diabetes was operating in her body," Kronenwetter said. "Not every tragedy is a crime."

Neumann tried to help his daughter, the defense attorney said.
"Dale Neumann solicited the help of numerous individuals to pray," Kronenwetter said. "He did that because of his faith, because he believed that was what would save his daughter."

LiveLaughLuv
07-26-2009, 06:09 AM
Poor child must have went into diabetic shock. Her sugar must have been so high...she was diabietic but undiagnosed, prayers will not help her, she needed a doctor.

I see the mom has already been tried and will be sentenced in October.

Hopefully other religious fantatics will see this and understand this is not the way to handle an illness..Praying for miracles along with getting to a doctor would be the best way to handle a situation such as this...:1187603408.CR.Mothe

Jute
08-01-2009, 11:07 PM
(Please move if there is another thread about this. Thanks.)

Father Found Guilty in Daughter's Death
By ROBERT IMRIE, AP
posted: 3 HOURS AGO

WAUSAU, Wis. (Aug. 1) - A Wisconsin man accused of killing his 11-year-old daughter by praying instead of seeking medical care was found guilty Saturday of second-degree reckless homicide.

Dale Neumann, 47, was convicted in the March 23, 2008, death of his daughter, Madeline, from undiagnosed diabetes. Prosecutors contended he should have rushed the girl to a hospital because she couldn't walk, talk, eat or speak. Instead, Madeline died on the floor of the family's rural Weston home as people surrounded her and prayed. Someone called 911 when she stopped breathing.

Neumann's 41-year-old wife, Leilani, was convicted on the same charge in the spring and is scheduled for sentencing Oct. 6. Both face up to 25 years in prison.

Their case is believed to be the first in Wisconsin involving faith healing in which someone died and another person was charged with a homicide.
The six-man, six-woman jury deliberated about 15 hours over two days before convicting Neumann. Jurors submitted four questions to Marathon County Circuit Judge Vincent Howard before reaching a verdict. In one, the panel asked whether Neumann's beliefs in faith healing made him "not liable" for not taking his daughter to the hospital even if he knew she wasn't feeling well.

Neumann, who once studied to be a Pentecostal minister, testified Thursday that he believed God would heal his daughter and he never expected her to die. God promises in the Bible to heal, he said.

"If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," Neumann testified. "I am not believing what he said he would do."

Marathon County Assistant District Attorney LaMont Jacobson told jurors Friday that Neumann was "overwhelmed by pride" in his interpretation of the Bible and selfishly let Madeline die as a test of faith.

Neumann knew he should have taken his daughter to a doctor and minimized her illness when speaking with investigators, Jacobson said, calling Neumann no different than a drunken driver who remarks he only had a couple of beers.
The father said Thursday he thought Madeline had the flu or a fever, and several relatives and family friends testified they also did not realize how sick she was.

Doctors testified that Madeline would have had a good chance of survival if she received medical care, including insulin and fluids, before she stopped breathing. They said the 911 call came too late.
Defense attorney Jay Kronenwetter said Neumann sincerely believed praying would heal his daughter and he did nothing criminally wrong.
"Dale Neumann was doing what he thought would work for his daughter," Kronenwetter said. "He was administering faith healing. He thought it was working."

Of course, the praying didn't work, Kronenwetter said: "He was terribly wrong and no one feels that more than Dale Neumann."

2009-08-01 16:35:54

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Jute
08-01-2009, 11:08 PM
May you rest in peace, Madeline. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

texanne
08-01-2009, 11:24 PM
The foolish people could not see that God had answered their prayers before they even prayed...there were doctors, and hospitals, and medicines....they just refused to take advantage of them. Poor little girl. She deserved so much better.

Pandabear
08-02-2009, 04:31 AM
Exactly texanne! How can these people call themselves Christians when they won't use the God given help they have right in front of their face. God works miracles, but he also gives people the sense to know when he's trying to send them one. These people care more about their own thoughts and close their minds to God. Incredibly sad and so preventable.