Natalee Breaking News 1-31-2008

[Zoltan]

We have a new video from Fox News.

Carpe Noctem captured this clip this morning.

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/

We have it posted and it involves new info and Peter Devries.

[Grande]

January 31st, 2008 11:03 AM Eastern
JUST IN: UPDATE ON NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE IN ARUBA
by Greta Van Susteren


I just got this email from OTR Producer Jeff Miller…..

From: “Miller, Jeffrey”

Date: January 31, 2008 10:43:29 AM EST
To: Greta Van Susteren

Subject: RE:

….

Also…just got this press release…

New evidence in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway

The Office of the Public Prosecutor of Aruba has intensified its
investigation of the case of Natalee Holloway due to recently received
information. This information may shed a new light on the mode of which
Natalee Holloway has died and the method by which her body disappeared.

The Public Prosecutor has lately received this information from the
Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries. This information may help
considerably in the solution of the mystery of Natalee’s disappearance.

In cooperation with the Aruban Police Corps, the Office is currently
investigating the reliability and value of this new information. It will
be evaluated in relation to the results of the preceding profound
research activities. The Aruban Police Corps has continued the
investigation of the case despite the formal discontinuation of the
prosecution of the suspects of the day, in December 2007. Commissioned
investigators are currently charged with further inquiries.

In the interest of the ongoing investigation no further information will
be circulated.

Nota bene: the Office of Public Prosecutor will not give any interviews
about the matter at hand at this moment, not by telephone, neither on
camera.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/01/31/just-in-update-on-natalee-holloway-case-in-aruba/

[Texas53]

I hope this not more BS that gets the family's hope up again.

[LiveLaughLuv]

Oh boy, what a roller coaster ride, the Halloway families emotions must be frazzled by now.

I do hope this new evidence will get Natalee back home where she belongs. Her family needs closure and justice. I have always thought JVS was responsible, I hope this will be the end of this torture for the Halloway family.


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[Zoltan]

The Monkey Board is all over this and it seems to involve hidden cameras.

We should know shortly what is happening. Monkeys and people in Holland are saying that Beth is there with Peter Devries.

[Grande]

The Monkey Board is all over this and it seems to involve hidden cameras.

We should know shortly what is happening. Monkeys and people in Holland are saying that Beth is there with Peter Devries.

I heard hidden camera's as well. Tell all my Monkey friends I said hello!

[Zoltan]

I heard hidden camera's as well. Tell all my Monkey friends I said hello!


More info from DeVries' site seems to indicate Joran has confessed again and it's caught on tape.

Grande, I don't want to get my hopes up again too high, but Joran has confessed before and nothing happened.

So we will see what happens.

[Grande]

More info from DeVries' site seems to indicate Joran has confessed again and it's caught on tape.

Grande, I don't want to get my hopes up again too high, but Joran has confessed before and nothing happened.

So we will see what happens.

It's been a long time coming. At some point we will find out the truth, I have no doubt. Let's hope it's sooner than later.

[Grande]

<Snip>

De Vries doesn’t want to say who the murderer is yet, we’ll find out about it when his weekly show is broadcasted which is coming Sunday. He’ll hold a press conference tonight (which I will watch), in which he’ll explain how he solved the case, etc.

He has solved the case by, among other things, using hidden cameras. On his website De Vries writes: “The moment I saw […] the images that make everything clear, I won’t ever forget. The words we spoke then I can’t retype now, but you will understand that when you see the video yourself. The video is the most thrilling secret-camera action I’ve done in all my life.”

Holloway’s mother has been flown into the Netherlands already. She was welcomed by De Vries.

http://poligazette.com/2008/01/31/case-holloway-closed/

[Grande]

<Snip>

...The only piece of the upcoming program the de Vries would release was a conversation between himself and Mos after he showed police the evidence he had collected. "Am I sitting opposite a happy man now?" de Vries asks Mos. The prosecutor is shown answering, "Now at least the truth is surfacing and with that we can at least wrap up this case."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=4222253&page=1

[KittyMom]

Is this the reporter that Joran threw wine at?

[Grande]

Is this the reporter that Joran threw wine at?

Yes.

[KittyMom]

I feel so sorry for Natalee's family and friends. They keep having their hopes raised. I really hope that this leads to her recovery. They need some sort of closure.

:1222423: for those who love and miss Natalee

[KittyMom]

Yes.

sweet

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-FdA_70dc0

[KittyMom]

http://poligazette.com/2008/01/31/case-holloway-closed/

Again, it sounds a bit strange (TV Detective) but he’s very well known, very well connected, and when he says he has solved a case, he’s usually telling the truth (especially considering that Holloway’s mother already went to the Netherlands to, basically, watch the case be solved). Most people believe that when the police can’t solve a case, they share their information with De Vries.

Just saw the press conference. Holloway’s mother is indeed with De Vries and he told her what happened to her daughter his afternoon. He said that she was highly emotional but also relieved. Closure.

Aruban and Dutch investigators have said that he has, indeed, provided them with crucial information.


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[Greenlee]

I really think the boys did leave her on the beach, and I think she decided to go for a swim and drowned.

[KittyMom]

I was googling for some more info and ran across this. I'd not seen this before and usually don't "do" the political stuff, but this shocks me.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59887
Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway
'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says

Sorry if this is off topic, but can you imagine how this kind of thing hurts Natalee's family.

[KittyMom]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6841/screenshotpeterrdevriestg8.jpg

http://poligazette.com/2008/01/31/case-holloway-closed/
NL sleuths have unearthed an open directory on de Vries’ site with English-language quotes from a conversation between de Vries and Aruba public prosecutor Hans Mos that strongly suggest a confession by Joran.

[Battnt]

WOW!!..I really hope they have something this time....

[Luke Davis]

I was googling for some more info and ran across this. I'd not seen this before and usually don't "do" the political stuff, but this shocks me.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59887
Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway
'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says

Sorry if this is off topic, but can you imagine how this kind of thing hurts Natalee's family.

Shocking!:thud2:

[Details]

I'm hopeful - whatever it may be - but also skeptical. The rumor is that it's Joran confessing - but there have been faked confessions before in this case - the one created by Dr. Phil turning "No, she didn't" into "She did", and the supposed internet one Mos had that appears to have been nothing more than the same speculation we all do on the forums - and possibly even about a completely different person.

But we'll see. If it's real, it should be quite clear and easy to see. I wonder though - why wait to Sunday? For maximum media attention... or because it's another stupid bluff trying to get a confession?

[Claudia]

I was googling for some more info and ran across this. I'd not seen this before and usually don't "do" the political stuff, but this shocks me.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59887
Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway
'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says

Sorry if this is off topic, but can you imagine how this kind of thing hurts Natalee's family.

Oh. My. God.

What an A**HOLE. How can a so-called pastor be so cruel???
This shocks the hell out of me, and that's saying something.

[Zoltan]

Sorry, I got a little tied up.

We have three more Fox News Segments posted.

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/

The first segment on top is the first clip of the day. The next three are new - for those that need them!

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-a1BwItwCc

[FDInLaw]

Sure hope this is the break Natalee's loved ones have been waiting for! :innocent0001:

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[Grande]

Sure hope this is the break Natalee's loved ones have been waiting for! :innocent0001:

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ME TOO!!!

[Zoltan]

ME TOO!!!

Count me and Carpe in too!!!:innocent0001:

[KittyMom]

Honestly, how is this guy going to be able to sit on this until Sunday?

[Grande]

Count me and Carpe in too!!!:innocent0001:

Oh you know it! I will be thinking of you guys and all of our other associates if and when anything breaks in this case.

[Grande]

Honestly, how is this guy going to be able to sit on this until Sunday?

Perhaps he is taking comfort in knowing Hans Mos & Natalee's family have the information and are probably seeking to parlay it as we speak. I certainly hope that is the case.

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw portions of the alleged video's leak before Sunday.

[Zoltan]

Oh you know it! I will be thinking of you guys and all of our other associates if and when anything breaks in this case.

Grande - it's been such a long hard road for so many. Mainly Natalee's family. They have suffered the pain for too too long. I am sure you know all of that.

It's been a long road for the "Lovers and the Haters". It's time to now conclude what should have been concluded 32 months ago.

It's time to let Matt, Dave and Beth finally rest. To allow them the comfort of knowing Natalee was never a sold sex slave. To know Natalee is with God and HE has been comforting her since May 30th 2005. It's time for Natalee's Truth to be known.

[Grande]

It's time for Natalee's Truth to be known.

Your darn right!

[FDInLaw]

Grande - it's been such a long hard road for so many. Mainly Natalee's family. They have suffered the pain for too too long. I am sure you know all of that.

It's been a long road for the "Lovers and the Haters". It's time to now conclude what should have been concluded 32 months ago.

It's time to let Matt, Dave and Beth finally rest. To allow them the comfort of knowing Natalee was never a sold sex slave. To know Natalee is with God and HE has been comforting her since May 30th 2005. It's time for Natalee's Truth to be known.Beautiful post! :1222423:

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[Texas53]

It doesn't seem like its been almost 3 yrs since she's been missing.

[KittyMom]

It doesn't seem like its been almost 3 yrs since she's been missing.


Maybe not to us, but I'm sure the family has felt each second.

[Zoltan]

As for Devries, I believe he will make good on his promise to hold the info until Sunday.

I believe he will allow Beth and Dave and their respective families a period to digest the news and to finally grieve.

Other than Mos saying last month that Natalee is dead - Natalee has remained a missing person and no one has really had a chance to to put her conceptually in her correct place. Many have accepted that Natalee is not coming back. For others, it's been harder. No one likes to imagine Natalee NOT alive. We all wish and held out hope that she was.

Dave accepted a long time ago that Natalee was dead. And as all saw on Oprah, Beth does not allow herself to fantasize that Natalee is alive. Beth said it is not healthy.

But having info that will finally place Natalee in her proper context will allow the healing process to finally begin. That info appears to come from the prime suspect himself. That will be reassuring as much as it will be painful.

There are no winners here. Just people that want their daughter back and people trying to prevent the truth from coming out.

Natalee deserves to rest in peace. And hopefully she will very soon

*self edit for typo*

[Details]

It should get him good ratings - but will the info be anything? Or will it be fuzzy stuff, edited together to manufacture hints of guilt without anything solid?

[Luke Davis]

Honestly, how is this guy going to be able to sit on this until Sunday?
There are several rumors leaking out which sound very believeable and consistent with earlier rumors which many found believeable. Of course, not trusting Joran makes me very skeptical of anything he says. I would want some verification and it appears that won't happen. Of course, if Natalee's family believes, maybe that is all that counts - closure.

IMO

[Zoltan]

There are several rumors leaking out which sound very believeable and consistent with earlier rumors which many found believeable. Of course, not trusting Joran makes me very skeptical of anything he says. I would want some verification and it appears that won't happen. Of course, if Natalee's family believes, maybe that is all that counts - closure.

IMO

Hi Luke Davis - Nice to see and to see you follow this case for so long. I'm with ya and hear ya. It's hard to know what to believe when it comes to Joran van der Sloot.

If Beth and Dave are satisfied, then I'm sure the rest of us will feel better about the outcome.

We will all see what the next chapter in this melodrama is shortly. I, for one, hope this is the last turn in the case and closure is near.

Again, Luke Davis, it's nice to see you on the same board I am on for a change.:)

[Tracian]

Thanks to all that bring us the updates on this case; I pray that this will finally bring peace to those that love Natalee.

[KittyMom]

I'm with ya'll about the closure. Frankly, I was thinking more along the lines how the media in the US would be. No one would let it rest until they had a copy of his "tape" and it wouldn't matter how much money had to trade hands or who had to be bribed. I think he'd have been better off not saying anything until Sunday night. As it is, who can he really trust not to sell out this story.

[Sumanadevii]

Please do not let it be a wild goose. The family has suffered enough.

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a25WGPTlxRQ

[Luke Davis]

Peter has reportedly been on several Dutch TV shows and just says watch his show. Beth tends to believe Peter has solved the case.

IMO

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvAO-wSnOO8

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKpzBhsQ-0Y

[Tracian]

Thanks for the You Tubes Luke :)

I swear if this is another red herring, there is a special place in hell for those that capitalize off the suffering of Natalee's family.

[SaberGal]

Forgive me for jumping in here - this case is not one I have followed very closely but I did watch the video Luke posted here from those two people that were claiming Natalie was alive weeks later and that she was a runaway and died of an overdose on the island. They claimed to have proof of this. Did anything develop with that or was that just a hoax? TIA

[PatC]

From MSNBC:



Holloway case solved? New info surfaces (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22933832/)

"The mystery of Natalee Holloway will be solved Sunday," De Vries (a Dutch reporter says.)

"Yeah, right." PatC (an American reader says)

[TobyTiger]

From MSNBC:



Holloway case solved? New info surfaces (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22933832/)

"The mystery of Natalee Holloway will be solved Sunday," De Vries (a Dutch reporter says.)

"Yeah, right." PatC (an American reader says)
Just saw the "news" article also.

I'll believe it when charges are brought against someone and they go to trial...and not just another arrest/detention/release.

[KittyMom]

If this reporter has Joran telling how and where he put Natalee, wouldn't there be some activity on Aruba with LE searching for her?

[Cat]

Just saw the "news" article also.

I'll believe it when charges are brought against someone and they go to trial...and not just another arrest/detention/release.

I am with you, Toby Tiger. Geez, with the intensive search and resources put into this case years ago, if there was something to be found, it would have been found then. Show me one missing American who has gotten that kind of attention, and this board is testimony to how many missing there are (a lot of them forgotten, and none with all that new coverage).

[Luke Davis]

Thanks for the You Tubes Luke :)

I swear if this is another red herring, there is a special place in hell for those that capitalize off the suffering of Natalee's family.
http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm

CLIPS FROM SHOW

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeSBAdhhEm8

[KittyMom]

WOW. Beth looks so bad in that video. This is killing her slowly.

[FDInLaw]

WOW. Beth looks so bad in that video. This is killing her slowly.
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[PatC]

Of course I have no idea what this guy has but whatever it is, he's sure doing his best to ensure that his Sunday show has the largest viewing audience possible, hasn't he?

If he really does have proof of guilt, it is unconscionable that he is holding it for ANY AMOUNT OF TIME. :lex_10:

If it's just more dancing around the edges of proof, he's a darn good showman.:howdy:

[KittyMom]

Of course I have no idea what this guy has but whatever it is, he's sure doing his best to ensure that his Sunday show has the largest viewing audience possible, hasn't he?

If he really does have proof of guilt, it is unconscionable that he is holding it for ANY AMOUNT OF TIME. :lex_10:

If it's just more dancing around the edges of proof, he's a darn good showman.:howdy:

Well, to give him a little credit, he did turn it over to the pros first. :z0tdntknw: I guess technically, he didn't sit on it with the proper authorities. He's just sitting on it with general public. I am curious as to why Dave wasn't with Beth to see the tape.

[Details]

Forgive me for jumping in here - this case is not one I have followed very closely but I did watch the video Luke posted here from those two people that were claiming Natalie was alive weeks later and that she was a runaway and died of an overdose on the island. They claimed to have proof of this. Did anything develop with that or was that just a hoax? TIANothing has developed with that as of yet. If the rumors about this information are true, they are plain wrong - at least about Natalee being alive later.

We don't know what he has - but it appears to be enough to reopen the case, but not to make an arrest.

[Greenlee]

Of course I have no idea what this guy has but whatever it is, he's sure doing his best to ensure that his Sunday show has the largest viewing audience possible, hasn't he?

If he really does have proof of guilt, it is unconscionable that he is holding it for ANY AMOUNT OF TIME. :lex_10:

If it's just more dancing around the edges of proof, he's a darn good showman.:howdy:

After the John Mark Carr crap, I am so skeptical of anything.

Whoever said, if he knew where the body was, wouldnt their be activity on the island makes a good point, maybe shes out to sea, and there really would be no hope in recovering her.

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSLpAv8Om4o

[littlewheels]

If indeed there is any substance to what he supposedly has in his possession, could he not be charged with/for "obstruction of justice" or "tampering with evidence"? I don't think he would be that stupid. But then again, .....

[KittyMom]

Luke,

Thanks for posting that video. I had trouble with following the captioning. If I understand it correctly, the reporter check with three seperate sources who say that an Aruban made became friends with Joran and has him on tape confessing to an accidental death of Natalee and that Deepak and Satish are not involved in the death.

If true it raises the questions...

Were they involved with disposal of her body?

If the brothers didn't help, then who did?

Where is her body now?

I don't think he told that. If he did, then we'd see movement on the island as they searched for her.

[Luke Davis]

Luke,

Thanks for posting that video. I had trouble with following the captioning. If I understand it correctly, the reporter check with three seperate sources who say that an Aruban made became friends with Joran and has him on tape confessing to an accidental death of Natalee and that Deepak and Satish are not involved in the death.

If true it raises the questions...

Were they involved with disposal of her body?

If the brothers didn't help, then who did?

Where is her body now?

I don't think he told that. If he did, then we'd see movement on the island as they searched for her.

Hi Kitty. There are so many ups and downs, it is hard to know what to believe. I can only try to imagine the pain of those who knew and loved Natalee as reports are circulated in the news media and entertainment TV.

My understanding was the same as yours but then, I have read other reports, all specualtion. Reportedly Joran has been seen and isn't upset. My guess is this show will be great for tv but not for court. I doubt minds will be changed.

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[Luke Davis]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22949037#22949037

[KittyMom]

Has anyone seen Dave? Where is he?

[TobyTiger]

Nancy Grace....

Prosecutor Hans Mos to seek re-arrest of Joran.

Tape alleges that Joran was present when Natalee died and assisted in disposing of her body.

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[Details]

Joran is saying there was a confession - that part of the rumor is confirmed - but also saying it was a joke - something I can see as not impossible assuming the friend he was talking to (who was secretly taping him) was pushing a bunch to get him to tell what happened with Natalee, trying to get that confession. I want to see what the tapes say exactly, and if any of it can be confirmed or denied.

[Luke Davis]

Update, comments and poll (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/)

[TobyTiger]

Joran is saying there was a confession - that part of the rumor is confirmed - but also saying it was a joke - something I can see as not impossible assuming the friend he was talking to (who was secretly taping him) was pushing a bunch to get him to tell what happened with Natalee, trying to get that confession. I want to see what the tapes say exactly, and if any of it can be confirmed or denied.
If it were true that he disposed of her body, he'd never admit it...in my opinion.

However why would he be "joking" regarding something that he knows would get him back in jail?

Joran...where's your brain? :duh:

[Details]

Brain? What brain? Whatever Joran is, he's not all that smart, and he's clearly impulsive and fails to think things through.

[TobyTiger]

Brain? What brain? Whatever Joran is, he's not all that smart, and he's clearly impulsive and fails to think things through.

Yeah....obviously he isn't the smartest guy in the world. He can say he's joking however the prosecutor can also accept this as a detailed confession.

Maybe he's related to Drew Peterson.
:D

ETA...I'll still wait to read/hear the confession before passing judgment. It could be another red herring.

[Details]

Yeah, I'm waiting for the tapes on Sunday, and most likely even after that, we need the full tapes - the Dr. Phil tapes looked like a solid confession (to sex and a lot of stuff that sounded questionable) too.

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZiXSaWshw8

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlYUKO6Diio

[TobyTiger]

Yeah, I'm waiting for the tapes on Sunday, and most likely even after that, we need the full tapes - the Dr. Phil tapes looked like a solid confession (to sex and a lot of stuff that sounded questionable) too.

Greta now reporting that prosecutors will re-open the case after seeing the tapes.

A judge would have to sign off on a warrant for re-arrest however...

[KittyMom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327766,00.html

hmmm...what Joran calls lying some call bragging. Next we'll be hearing about much he had to drink. :rolleye0001:

[chambord]

Joran is toast. Whether he ever gets rearrested or not, his life will never be the same again, nor normal. Who would want to be in close proximity to him ever again.

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik5an-r3LmI

[KittyMom]

Geraldo and Bill O discussing things and claiming to have known..blah, blah, blah...G says that Joran says she died from drugs and they buried her and then went back and got her body. blah, blah, blah...

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im4l3xngK8w

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owi3SS5Q8V8

[NewYorkDoll]

I will believe it when I see it. Is there any way to watch the Dutch show first? Is it streamed? I suppose the info will be all over the place well in advance of ABC.


Let's hope that there is finally some sort of resolution for all parties. This has gone on long enough.

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpGuM0aumF0

[KittyMom]

So is the tape that DeVries has a video tape or an audio tape?

[Luke Davis]

NOVA (http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6437034&md5=7936eaa952d9cac5e1df2a8710bfa24f)

[Roamer]

They interviewed this guy on GMA weekend. He didn't go into specifics, of course.

GMA will break the story Monday morning, along with a 20/20 special Monday night. (If someone else doesn't "break" it first).

[Luke Davis]

Many Dutch people will be watching the show and some have offered to translate to English. For example this site may have live translations.

BLOG translation to English (http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/)

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-gW_qY6SF4

[Luke Davis]

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=4120106559943988074

[TobyTiger]

NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOM RESIGNED TO HER DEATH (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22970067/)

‘1 percent of hope I had that she was still alive is gone,’ she tells newspaper

THE HAGUE, Netherlands - The mother of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway said that she is now convinced her daughter is dead after watching hidden camera footage of a Dutch student allegedly acknowledging involvement, according to an interview published Saturday.

"I can let her go now and begin mourning," Beth Twitty said in an interview late Friday with the best-selling Dutch daily De Telegraaf. "The 1 percent of hope I had that she was still alive is gone."

Joran van der Sloot on Friday denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance in Aruba, saying he lied when he told someone privately he was involved.

more at the link

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[StoneFox]

Anybody here reading the translated text?

[StoneFox]

Maybe I should have said...anybod here at all :71526:

What's wrong with the board loading so slow?

Maybe that's why nobody is here.


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[TobyTiger]

Anybody here reading the translated text?
Just read from the link Luke posted...



P: "How do you know she was dead Joran?"
J: "I lifted her, I touched her, she was dead, I tried everything. I knew these some guys from way back, this one guy helped me. I got something on him as well, so he might talk, but I dont think he will. The guy now lives in Holland".

Peter: Joran went home to clear his tracks: MSN, pron downloading etc. Tries to make an alibi.

J: "I didnt ask the guy to help me, he came and saw me there on the beach, and he offered to help me. He was 25. He knew I was going to the US, so he wanted to help me. In the beginning I played it smart, cause I knew they couldnt find her. Well, and I was SOOOOO lucky, cause they never even questioned this guy. The guy has his ÿachting license" I dont know how he dumped her, her says he just dumped her off the boat. I was SOOOO lucky.
I just went home and slept, that night"

The name of the guy who dumped her: DAURY!

http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/

[bambam]

zondag 3 februari 2008
Tue, jan 15th.
Now that Joran confessed to Pat, Patrick can ask about the case some more...

P: "How do you know she was dead Joran?"
J: "I lifted her, I touched her, she was dead, I tried everything. I knew these some guys from way back, this one guy helped me. I got something on him as well, so he might talk, but I dont think he will. The guy now lives in Holland".

Peter: Joran went home to clear his tracks: MSN, pron downloading etc. Tries to make an alibi.

J: "I didnt ask the guy to help me, he came and saw me there on the beach, and he offered to help me. He was 25. He knew I was going to the US, so he wanted to help me. In the beginning I played it smart, cause I knew they couldnt find her. Well, and I was SOOOOO lucky, cause they never even questioned this guy. The guy has his ÿachting license" I dont know how he dumped her, her says he just dumped her off the boat. I was SOOOO lucky.
I just went home and slept, that night"

The name of the guy who dumped her: DAURY

[TobyTiger]

Maybe I should have said...anybod here at all :71526:

What's wrong with the board loading so slow?

Maybe that's why nobody is here.


:z0tdntknw:
Everyone is over here this afternoon since someplace else is closed for "maintenance", er, the Super Bowl.
:D

[bambam]

OK, commercial break.
Joran was with her when she died, he didnt kill her, she just died. He called a friend who he had know a long time. The friend came and said he'd take care of it. Joran says: "the ocean is big"... Says he got lucky they never found the body.
Joran told Patrick he had never told anyone this story, he looks relieved.
He also says he will never name the guy who helped him.
Patrick 'feeds' Joran a bit, saying that he would help Joran make some money, so Joran can give it to the guy who helped him. Joran says something like I Owe him my life....

Joran does seem relieved he finally told someone and got it off his chest.

Still 45 minutes left, hope Peter has more...

[bambam]

: "He said, go home, Ill take care of it. I would give my life for him... He's great. This is a relief I NEVER TOLD ANYONE. Nat told I have a rich family, I never imagined this shit would happen man". Joran seems relieved. Joran says: "The two people I trust most are the guy with the boat, and you"

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J: "This friend was an older friend, we been friends for a long time. I will NEVER name his name, NEVER, Ill take it with me in my grave. I called him, WALKED to the PAYPHONE. Pleae, no police, caome and help me. He came. She still looked normal, she just died."

[bambam]

my posts are from this blogsite:

http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html

[bambam]

They show the wine throwing clip...
They show the wine throwing clip on Oprah...

2 days after the P&W show, after Jorans parents were back to Aruba, Pat&J meet again. Joran is talking about the wine throwing... "It was not aggresive"... "The show wasnt worth the 5000 euro we got".
"Joran says he knew Natalee for 2 days. They spend 3,5 hours together, in total. I can prove I was home half an hour after I left her."...

Why did Deepak lie?

Joran says: "i know why, cause hes afraid to get arrested again... Pat again: what happened, im from aruba, I know the beach.. Shes dead right.."

Joran saus:" Something hapopoened, I didnt kill her, the ocean is big, right? I got very lucking they never found her. No body no case. I trhink Im in the clear, they wont find a body. Let me tell you I never talked about this to anyone. They dumped her in the ocean. I know people who could helped me, Im not naming names... its not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat. "

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[bambam]

Even the judge said he thinks I know more".

Joran keeps talking about suing everyone for damages. He says they wanna go to Pauw & Wittemen. Joran is sure hell get loads of compensation money...
Joran tells how he was arrested in Holland: "I was laughing. I was stoned man".
About D&D: "I know them, they had a phat Honda Civic. I had known them for 8 months,we went out every weekend, they never picked up a girl, I got a new one almost every week"....

And then Patrick brings up Natalee: "will they ever find her? Where the hell is she Joran"

"Theyll never find her, I dont know where she is. This will turn out good for me, after the last arrest Ill get major compensation for damages"


Peter: though this isnt a straight up confession, it does show he never knows Natalee will never be found.... NOTE: this was the day before the P&W show!

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[bambam]

After being released Joran stays with his parent for a month. But once he returns to Holland (jan 9th 2008) he'll have any reason to speak with Patrick.

-> They show how they prepare the car, 3 camera's, GPS tracking system, its a Range Rover. They also use some extra cars to follow Joran...


DAY 1, jan 10th
Par picks J up in his car. Joran got into a fight about a gambling debt.
They chitchat....
Joran says he no longer is a suspect. The DA knows hell lose if he goes to trial. And that they can never touch Joran then... "Even if they find her dead, with my semen in her". I just laughed, didnt say 1 word. I didnt even say "I remain silent"... I just kept my mouth shut. EVen in court. Nothing.. Kept my mouth closed.

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They later learn that this arrest will turn out to be helpful.
-> talk about the last arrest. Joran doesnt talk <-
2,5 week later Joran is free again. DA closes the case, for now. J no longer a suspect.

The relation with Pat is so good, Joran contacts Pat a few days after getting out of jail. Theyve installed cameras everywhere.

J on the phone from ARUBA in the car: "they had nothin, I laughed at the police.". Patrick says: you want some weed? I can get it for you from Holland, I got good connections....

COMMERCIAL BREAK

[bambam]

Joran keeps hinting to Patrick he knows more. Patrick keeps holfding Joran off, but contacts Peter R. They make a plan...
Joran wants to do some petty crimes to make quick cash. Joran looks up to P, who he thinks is a bigtime grower/dealer. Joran gets in the car...
Patrick asks about N for the first time. Subtle, cause the case has been queit for a while, so no real reason to start talking about it.
Wednesday nov. 21...TYhe day before they want to make a first move, Joran is rearrested....

BUMMER

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[bambam]

posts are going backward in order, sorry

from this site:


http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html

[Luke Davis]

Maybe I should have said...anybod here at all :71526:

What's wrong with the board loading so slow?

Maybe that's why nobody is here.


:z0tdntknw:

Do you know who Daury is? Don't recall that name.

Yes I am reading the English translation.

[StoneFox]

Just read from the link Luke posted...



P: "How do you know she was dead Joran?"
J: "I lifted her, I touched her, she was dead, I tried everything. I knew these some guys from way back, this one guy helped me. I got something on him as well, so he might talk, but I dont think he will. The guy now lives in Holland".

Peter: Joran went home to clear his tracks: MSN, pron downloading etc. Tries to make an alibi.

J: "I didnt ask the guy to help me, he came and saw me there on the beach, and he offered to help me. He was 25. He knew I was going to the US, so he wanted to help me. In the beginning I played it smart, cause I knew they couldnt find her. Well, and I was SOOOOO lucky, cause they never even questioned this guy. The guy has his ÿachting license" I dont know how he dumped her, her says he just dumped her off the boat. I was SOOOO lucky.
I just went home and slept, that night"

The name of the guy who dumped her: DAURY!

http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/

Hi Toby :happy0207:

I'm KatyDid on that other message board. They shut down a little earlier than they said they would.

I've been reading from that poster's transcipt of the interview.

Sounds like a long pent up confession to me.

[StoneFox]

Do you know who Daury is? Don't recall that name.

Yes I am reading the English translation.

I bet it won't be hard for LE to find out who he is.

Daury, 25 at the time, owned a boat. Somebody know who he is.

I'm googleing the name to see what I can find. Found some dutch sites, but I can't read those.

[bambam]

posts are going backward in order, sorry

from this site:


http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html

[bambam]

Peter: "OK, nice story, but was this what happened? Joran seems to trust Pat fully. He might have lied about the cause of death. Sometimes I thought he was getting mixed up about his helper from that night. One day he never names names, the next day he names DAURY, the day after he's an older guy, then he's 25...
To not disturbe the polciework, we didnt investigate this at Aruba, we leave that up to the Aruban PD

[bambam]

reacties



J: "First time in jail, I said dad, I need a phone. His dad got him the phone to Joran. My dad is so stupid, he got me a prepaid phone, with hardly any credit on it".

Joran also told this in his book, but then he didnt mention his dad brought it in.

P: "we spent a few days with joran, but we need some more info, we ask him to make joran teel it once more, just to be clear".

J:"These bitches asked me to come to C&C and they been drinking all day, some used cocaine. I didnt wanna go, I had school next day, but I knew she wanted to **** (talks about Natalees girl), so I went anyway. I didnt even 'go' for Natalee. But her friend said: no Natalee got shotgun on you, so go talk to her... I went there, she came down from the bar. The ho jumped on teh bar and said: do a jellyshot... I then gave her a bacardi 151 (75% alcohol). She asked for a chaser, I see shes so drunk, but I thought: Im gonna **** her. She said: I wanne see some sharks. Im telling you Pat, she wanted to see sharks. So I said to S&D, drop us on the beach, Ill **** her, and then Ill take her to the hotel. We walk to the beach... She wasnt that good looking but the WANTED man, she wanted.... Then she started shaking like crazy... The beach was empty, I walked to her, no reaction, she just kept shaking, NO foam around her mouth... I started thinking, no one know I even left the house. But I knew this guy I "had" something on, so I phoned him. This DAURY, even if he wouldnt have helped me, he wouldnt have said anything... I called him from a payphone outside the Mariott. I picked Nat up and put her near the mangrovetreas at the mariott. The guy came and saidwhat happened, she looks sweet"....
Joran says: this cant be happening, this was around 02:30. This guy has his own boat, he worked for banana boat company... But he has his own boat as well. The guy said, this will be a problem, either way, youll be blamed. He sais, OK, help me, so we picked her up and put her on the boat. There was noone there, dark. Even IF someone wouldve seen us, they wouldve thought were playing... The guy told me I should go to school etc. I went to the casino the night after.... The shoe story is bullshit, I just threw them away, in a sewer. After I left the guy sailed away. he told me later he just dumped her. He came by the house that night, he said: she'll be missing, but they wont find her. I said: we should get our stories straight....
We did some thing before, so I know I could call him.
I knew, we should have our stories straight. D&S were just some dummies. It was great to make them say as well that we brought her to the hotel.. Now, looking back, I never couldve imagined this would get so much media coverage... But I can use that as an advantage"....
I only spent 2 hours with her. I finger****ed her, she jerked me off, I just wanted to ask her for a blowjob went she started shaking... I didnt lose a nights sleep, I have to look good"
"I still talk to Joran to DAURY"....

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[bambam]

damm! dh came in and made miss a page!

[bambam]

i'm sorry if all this has been posted on another thread, i was just slammin it up there as fast as i could. i hope that's ok

[TobyTiger]

Hi Toby :happy0207:

I'm KatyDid on that other message board. They shut down a little earlier than they said they would.

I've been reading from that poster's transcipt of the interview.

Sounds like a long pent up confession to me.

Hey there!

Glad you introduced yourself
:D

I agree...it DOES sound like a confession. This wasn't under interrogation, duress or coercion so it makes absolutely no sense WHY he would lie about it. The key is that her body hasn't been found despite many searches so it lends credence that she is in the water. The mystery seems to be who "Daury" is and if this is the person's true name, why he wasn't questioned as an associate of Joran's.

[Luke Davis]

I bet it won't be hard for LE to find out who he is.

Daury, 25 at the time, owned a boat. Somebody know who he is.

I'm googleing the name to see what I can find. Found some dutch sites, but I can't read those.I've seen hundreds of photos of Joran with friends but that doesn't ring a bell.

[bambam]

wow joran is toast as well he should be

[TobyTiger]

i'm sorry if all this has been posted on another thread, i was just slammin it up there as fast as i could. i hope that's ok

Not to worry...

I had only posted a portion of it here and then the link.

[bambam]

Some questions remain, so Pat goes out with J for the last time...
Why did joran continue lying to the police and the he know she was dead?

"I didnt know, she couldve been in a coma, I didnt feel her but it didnt look good. I didnt know ****in sure she was dead. Daury looked and said she was dead, he just looked at her and said, shes dead. Couldve ben a coma.
After 2 weeks I just remained silent to the police. I just said once that Deepak picked me up, afterward I remained silent, so that still stands...."

P;"why did you make up that story? D&S are with 2, you are alone"..

J:"Well, its just disinformation, I can advise anyone: NEVER TALK to the police. The smart thing I did was call from the hotel, cause they only got my call to deepak. Then they said: he was at home, so I just said well, Im meant Satish. SMIRKS"...

P: Joran was walking home and dumped his shoes. Sits next to a sewer. Maybe theyre even in one of these drains. The walk home takes longer than Joran tells us, so maybe hes still protecting someone who picked him up.

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[Luke Davis]

i'm sorry if all this has been posted on another thread, i was just slammin it up there as fast as i could. i hope that's okSome other sites might not allow the language.

:71526:

[bambam]

Peter: "OK, nice story, but was this what happened? Joran seems to trust Pat fully. He might have lied about the cause of death. Sometimes I thought he was getting mixed up about his helper from that night. One day he never names names, the next day he names DAURY, the day after he's an older guy, then he's 25...
To not disturbe the polciework, we didnt investigate this at Aruba, we leave that up to the Aruban PD.

[chambord]

OMG...Listening to Joran's confession is shocking. There is no way in heck he can backtrack this. It all fits. I am so disgusted with what this young man got away with for almost three years. He has no remorse and total disdain for his poor parents.

[bambam]

Peter now at the crimescene, shows where it happened. "It was here on the beach, not near the fishermans huts. Those were the bushes where Joran hid Natalee while calling his friend. And THIS is the payphone he was talking about. We confirmed its quiet her at 03:00. And the story about the banana boats matches, theres plenty of those here. So: Jorans story matches up, for these things

[chambord]

I think Daury is Koen. Joran doesn't want to give up his name...IMO.

[Luke Davis]

I think Daury is Koen. Joran doesn't want to give up his name...IMO.I had the same thought but I thought Koen had an alibi, he was in Florida at the time. So, I was thinking Sander but he isn't 25 or wasn't.


IMO

[TobyTiger]

I think Daury is Koen. Joran doesn't want to give up his name...IMO.

Makes sense, chambord.

Thought he'd been looked into by ALE?

[TobyTiger]

Peter shows the tape to Hans Mos.

Mos: "this is very impressive, as you look at HOW he tells what happened. I see some elements in this confession which I recognize from earlier statements. I see that this is the first time he tells anyone, kinda like his coming out, which is impressive, cause he kept quiet for 2,5 years.
I have seen the previous shows where Jorans parents tell about Joran being almost saintlike. We already knew this was false, and this tape proves that, of course.

We have to verify this story, cause it's still Joran, and he lies a lot, we will reopen the case, but we will have to research some more. It seems highly unlikely that he made this up. We want to verify this story. Cant imagine hes lying now, cause hes a smart guy, and lying in this case would ruin evrything for him (as no one would ever trust him again)."

http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/

[chambord]

Makes sense, chambord.

Thought he'd been looked into by ALE?

One of them, not sure which, his Dad would not allow him to be interviewed. The one that wets his bed maybe. Joran could be lying about his age.

[chambord]

RU is excusing Joran for not aiding Natalee, some are saying she was in an eptiletic fit, foaming at her mouth. *groan*

[TobyTiger]

One of them, not sure which, his Dad would not allow him to be interviewed. The one that wets his bed maybe. Joran could be lying about his age.
Yeah...know who you mean but can't place the first name.
:INhouseReading04:

[chambord]

Yeah...know who you mean but can't place the first name.
:INhouseReading04:

One was Sander, ICRC the other. I doubt both with in Fla. Didn't Joran meet to play tennis with one the next day?

[Luke Davis]

One was Sander, ICRC the other. I doubt both with in Fla. Didn't Joran meet to play tennis with one the next day?Yes, Sander.

[TobyTiger]

One was Sander, ICRC the other. I doubt both with in Fla. Didn't Joran meet to play tennis with one the next day?
Yeah, that's it and I believe you're also right about the tennis. I recall seeing a photo long ago.

[chambord]

Yes, Sander.

Hi Luke

What was the other brother's name. Remember that pic of the Dad and the brothers on a plane getting out of Dodge? Do you still have it in your cache?

[Luke Davis]

Hi Luke

What was the other brother's name. Remember that pic of the Dad and the brothers on a plane getting out of Dodge? Do you still have it in your cache?
Koen and Sander. The photo is on Flickr.


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/24/61169380_0ddd95e173_o.jpg


They all live in Georgia now.

[chambord]

Koen and Sander. The photo is on Flickr.


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/24/61169380_0ddd95e173_o.jpg

LOL...I just knew you would come through!! Bravo!

Anything going on at CL or 320? I can't believe CW bailed on us.

[TobyTiger]

Thanks, Luke.

That's the photo I remember. What were their ages?

[StoneFox]

Hi Luke

What was the other brother's name. Remember that pic of the Dad and the brothers on a plane getting out of Dodge? Do you still have it in your cache?


Brothers are Sander and Koen. Father is Alexander (Lex), prominent business owner in Aruba. Insurance agency.

Is anybody else having SUPER trouble with this site loading?

[chambord]

Yeah, that's it and I believe you're also right about the tennis. I recall seeing a photo long ago.

Toby, If this is it for Natalee, I'm not giving up on Trenton either. Hope springs eternal.

[chambord]

Brothers are Sander and Koen. Father is Alexander (Lex), prominent business owner in Aruba. Insurance agency.

Is anybody else having SUPER trouble with this site loading?

Thanks K, did you see the pic of all three of them Luke was nice enough to locate?

[chambord]

OT,,,Yikes I just saw Maria Schriver at Obama's rally, boy has she aged!! I better go look in the mirror.

[TobyTiger]

Toby, If this is it for Natalee, I'm not giving up on Trenton either. Hope springs eternal.

I am still of the belief that he may be alive. Unfortunately with Natalee, this scenario is what I had envisioned some time ago...not murder, but a cover-up after the fact.

[StoneFox]

Thanks K, did you see the pic of all three of them Luke was nice enough to locate?


Yes, thank you Luke :)

On the other message board, there is a poster from Atlanta, GA. She was able to find a local listing for Alex and Renita in the metropolitan Atlanta phone book. Think the town was Buford. Alex and Renita are the parents of Sander and Koen.

[Luke Davis]

LOL...I just knew you would come through!! Bravo!

Anything going on at CL or 320? I can't believe CW bailed on us.I wonder if the FBI will go for a visit or does ALE have to go through State Department?

[StoneFox]

OT,,,Yikes I just saw Maria Schriver at Obama's rally, boy has she aged!! I better go look in the mirror.


So she is lining up with Ted and Caroline :girl_haha:

Parting ranks with hubby again!
I'm lovin' it!

[Luke Davis]

Yes, thank you Luke :)

On the other message board, there is a poster from Atlanta, GA. She was able to find a local listing for Alex and Renita in the metropolitan Atlanta phone book. Think the town was Buford. Alex and Renita are the parents of Sander and Koen.Yes, Sander lives in another town, Hoschton, GA.


IMO

[TobyTiger]

OT,,,Yikes I just saw Maria Schriver at Obama's rally, boy has she aged!! I better go look in the mirror.

I'm SURE you look much better than she does.

[chambord]

They have the same smirks on their face that Joran has. I'd like to wipe it off their face.

Bambam, thanks for your transcribing.

[chambord]

I'm SURE you look much better than she does.

Haha...*blushing*....I wish! Applying anti wrinkle creme as I post.

[joolz]

So she is lining up with Ted and Caroline :girl_haha:

Parting ranks with hubby again!
I'm lovin' it!

Is she covering it or just attending? Hard to believe she would go aginast hubby, and he's backing McCain.

[TobyTiger]

They have the same smirks on their face that Joran has. I'd like to wipe it off their face.

Bambam, thanks for your transcribing.
Joran might lose his smirk if he ever ends up in a courtroom.

Will be interesting to see if a Judge will now sign off on another re-arrest.

[TobyTiger]

Haha...*blushing*....I wish! Applying anti wrinkle creme as I post.

Don't let it distract you from the GAME!

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m220/aspenexplorer/patriot.gif

[chambord]

Joran might lose his smirk if he ever ends up in a courtroom.

Will be interesting to see if a Judge will now sign off on another re-arrest.

Not sure, but from what I read yesterday, disposing of a body doesn't get a long sentence. I think I read two years with time served already. Joran is aware of this, and is smug from what I heard. I have a feeling Kyle and his party have found something and were waiting for tonight to be over.

[StoneFox]

Yes, Sander lives in another town, Hoschton, GA.


IMO

Thank you Luke. I couldn't recall the name of the town he lived in.

[Battnt]

I hope this at least gives Beth and Dave some closure....:1222423:

RIP Natalee....:1222423:

[StoneFox]

Is she covering it or just attending? Hard to believe she would go aginast hubby, and he's backing McCain.


Hi joolz :happy0207:

I wasn't watch it. chambord saw her. Maybe she can answer.

[TobyTiger]

Not sure, but from what I read yesterday, disposing of a body doesn't get a long sentence. I think I read two years with time served already. Joran is aware of this, and is smug from what I heard. I have a feeling Kyle and his party have found something and were waiting for tonight to be over.
Think you're about right regarding the length of sentence. He'd still have some time left on it however.

[Luke Davis]

I can't read Dutch, but it sounds like Daury is Columbian?

NEWS (http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article500967.ece/Vriend_Joran_Die_dag_was_ik_niet_op_Aruba)

Dat meen je niet. Nee, dat meen je niet. Echt? Maar dat klopt helemaal niet’, is de eerste reactie van de van oorsprong Colombiaanse Daury (21) vanuit Aruba als hij zaterdagnacht verneemt dat Joran van der Sloot (20) zijn naam noemt in de uitzending van Peter R. de Vries.

[StoneFox]

Not sure, but from what I read yesterday, disposing of a body doesn't get a long sentence. I think I read two years with time served already. Joran is aware of this, and is smug from what I heard. I have a feeling Kyle and his party have found something and were waiting for tonight to be over.


I'm interested to see what Jossy Mansur puts together from all this. I just betcha he is on the trail of Daury.

:happy0158:

[chambord]

Hi joolz :happy0207:

I wasn't watch it. chambord saw her. Maybe she can answer.

It was a quick blurb but to me it sounded like she was supporting him. She mentioned her daughter turned 21 this year and was going to cast her first presendital vote for Obama. Looks like Arnie's family are independent thinkers.

[chambord]

I'm interested to see what Jossy Mansur puts together from all this. I just betcha he is on the trail of Daury.

:happy0158:

Blogs for Natalee and Scared Monkees are good sources for scoops. I've been in and out of there all weekend. A crewman from the Persitence is posting there.

[joolz]

Hi joolz :happy0207:

I wasn't watch it. chambord saw her. Maybe she can answer.

:howdy: Hi K-Stone!

I thought I read that if Joran can only be convicted of tampering with a body he could get as little as six months = no wonder he is smirking. Makes me ill.

[joolz]

It was a quick blurb but to me it sounded like she was supporting him. She mentioned her daughter turned 21 this year and was going to cast her first presendital vote for Obama. Looks like Arnie's family are independent thinkers.


Good for them - although I am kind of surpsrised. BTW, are we allowed to mention other cases on this board? I've been a member for awhile but haven't posted before.

[StoneFox]

I can't read Dutch, but it sounds like Daury is Columbian?

NEWS (http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article500967.ece/Vriend_Joran_Die_dag_was_ik_niet_op_Aruba)

I have a friend from Norway. I'll see if she is available. Maybe she can pull enough words from this so we can get the picture.

:22wink:

[chambord]

I hope this at least gives Beth and Dave some closure....:1222423:

RIP Natalee....:1222423:

Me too, Batty, I can't imagine the pain these two people have gone thru these past years. At least now perhaps they will have some peace that their daughter is now in a safe place surrounded with love.

[TobyTiger]

I can't read Dutch, but it sounds like Daury is Columbian?

NEWS (http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article500967.ece/Vriend_Joran_Die_dag_was_ik_niet_op_Aruba)

I ran your article through Babel Fish and this is the translation:


Friend Joran: ' that day was not I on Aruba '
By Zvezdana Vukojevic/DAG
published updated on 03 February 2008 22.38, on 3 February 2008 23.09

AMSTERDAM - Daury, the friend of Joran of of the ditch which freezes in the retransmission of peter R. Sunday evening were called if the accomplice denies has been, during the disappearance on Aruba. An exclusive interview with the man Joran on Aruba will have helped whom strip itself of the lijk of Holloway.

‘That does not think you. No, that does not think you. Real? But that is correct not at all’, is the first response of of origin Colombian Daury (21) from Aruba if he learns Saturday night that Joran of of the ditch (20) are name calls in the retransmission of peter R. freezes.

Shocked
Daury have been shocked and angrily if he hears that Joran designate him as a friend him whom strip itself of Natalee’s body has helped. ‘That cannot have said Joran. I zat then in Rotterdam on school. That ordinary bullshit is!’

Daury say be entirely ignorant concerning the matter, he has not been approached by peter R. freezes or justice. He wonders itself moreover why be informed friend has not put him of the charge: ‘We have yesterday still ge-msn’t. he said that the best good with him went. Why did he say about this then nothing?’

Verzinsel
In.the.presence.of a hidden camera of peter R. explained of of the ditch freeze that the American Holloway became indisposed after vrijpartij and that its friend Daury helped him with a boat dump the body in sea. Still for the retransmission of of the ditch the declaration has revoked and has taken off as a verzinsel, refute which simple is. Compared with DAY Joran refer to a boy Daury called who has studied a time in the Netherlands and now on Aruba lives.

But according to Daury the tale a verzinsel is. He knows Joran as from its 15de by means of a friend who at Joran on school zat. And ‘we played soccer together. We were not then of that dikke friends, hear. I am never with Joran and am friend group of uitgeweest to Carlos ’n Charlie’s.’ (discotheque on Aruba where of the ditch and Natalee assumed on 31 May, the last evening that she has been seen, ZV). Daury have not experienced the complete uitgaansperiode of Joran. ‘On my 17de I left to the Netherlands to study.’ Since then there was little contact.

In fact just well then he learned know Daury of of the ditch in December 2007 on Aruba stayed, after he short time for the second time vastzat in the case Natalee Holloway. The pair played poker together in the casino’s in the hotels to palm Beach. ‘I have never asked him concerning Natalee. This way many people look at him to this already strange. It is lullig that everyone sees him this way. He always says that it goes well with him, but I weet that devour that thing of Natalee to him.’

Daury zat as from July 2004 in the Netherlands to follow a trainingtraining training in Rotterdam. He tells that he went interim once for three weeks on holiday to Aruba: ‘That was on 2 January 2005. for the rest I non stops in the Netherlands has been. On 31 May 2005, the day that Natalee, was I disappeared on Aruba.’ Just by the end of December 2005 returned Daury to the island. When medeverdachten Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were on free feet have been already put of of the ditch and. On the question if Daury have a boat, he must laugh: ‘No, of course not.’

To check
Daury went in the Netherlands in spring of 2005 almost each day to the sport school. Moreover he worked by means of an employment agency and zat he on school. These institutions were this weekend not contactable confirm this. Daury: ‘But justice can check that all. Then they know immediately that I have nothing there to experience and that Joran has lain about that.’

A private medium training confirms, however, that Daury in September 2005 followed a training at them.

[chambord]

Good for them - although I am kind of surpsrised. BTW, are we allowed to mention other cases on this board? I've been a member for awhile but haven't posted before.

I'm not sure, Batty is around, maybe she can weigh in.

[StoneFox]

:howdy: Hi K-Stone!

I thought I read that if Joran can only be convicted of tampering with a body he could get as little as six months = no wonder he is smirking. Makes me ill.

:girl_haha:

Stone Fox is the name of my business. I didn't want to bring KatyDid over here, so just used the biz name.

Makes me ill too joolz!!
I'm hoping they can get him on a few other things to bolster his time behind bars. Wonder if there is conspiracy in Aruba?

[joolz]

:girl_haha:

Stone Fox is the name of my business. I didn't want to bring KatyDid over here, so just used the biz name.

Makes me ill too joolz!!
I'm hoping they can get him on a few other things to bolster his time behind bars. Wonder if there is conspiracy in Aruba?

Who knows? It seems like they have a very complicated legal system and it isn't much like ours.

[TobyTiger]

:girl_haha:


I'm hoping they can get him on a few other things to bolster his time behind bars. Wonder if there is conspiracy in Aruba?
What I'd like to know is...if this "confession" is the truth...WHY didn't he just leave her on the beach? Why was it necessary to dispose of her body? If no crime was committed what was the need for a cover-up?

Parts of the puzzle are still missing, in my opinion.

[Battnt]

Good for them - although I am kind of surpsrised. BTW, are we allowed to mention other cases on this board? I've been a member for awhile but haven't posted before.

Hi Joolz!...What other cases?....:)

[joolz]

Hi Joolz!...What other cases?....:)

Hi Batty - Today is the fifth anniversary of Lana Clarkson's death and I wanted to provide a link to lighting a candle for her.

[Battnt]

Hi Batty - Today is the fifth anniversary of Lana Clarkson's death and I wanted to provide a link to lighting a candle for her.

You bet you can!....:1222423:

[StoneFox]

What I'd like to know is...if this "confession" is the truth...WHY didn't he just leave her on the beach? Why was it necessary to dispose of her body? If no crime was committed what was the need for a cover-up?

Parts of the puzzle are still missing, in my opinion.


I agree, that is the part that doesn't make sense. If she went into convulsions, why not call the medical emergency people there. The fact he tried to cover something up makes it appear more sinister than what he admits.

[joolz]

You bet you can!....:1222423:

Thank you!

In memorium, Lana Clarkson - you can light a candle for her here:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[joolz]

I agree, that is the part that doesn't make sense. If she went into convulsions, why not call the medical emergency people there. The fact he tried to cover something up makes it appear more sinister than what he admits.

I agree too, but why would we think Joran would tell the truth about anything, even during a confession? He's a pathological liar who probably believes every word that comes out of his own mouth.:puke:

[chambord]

What I'd like to know is...if this "confession" is the truth...WHY didn't he just leave her on the beach? Why was it necessary to dispose of her body? If no crime was committed what was the need for a cover-up?

Parts of the puzzle are still missing, in my opinion.

Joran mentioned his sperm inside her Toby.

[chambord]

I agree too, but why would we think Joran would tell the truth about anything, even during a confession? He's a pathological liar who probably believes every word that comes out of his own mouth.:puke:

One of his favorite quotes I recall is he wouldn't believe himself. I think he said that to Greta.

[StoneFox]

Hey Toby!

Thanks for the translation of that article.

Sounds like Daury is a little upset. It also sounds like he and Joran spoke after the interview with DeVries, at least what I am reading.

Now, if they are not *good* friends, why would he still be in contact with Joran?

:waitasec:

[TobyTiger]

I agree, that is the part that doesn't make sense. If she went into convulsions, why not call the medical emergency people there. The fact he tried to cover something up makes it appear more sinister than what he admits.
Exactly.

[Tracian]

Thank you!

In memorium, Lana Clarkson - you can light a candle for her here:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana


Thank you so much, lit mine...may Lana's family find peace....and JUSTICE.

[joolz]

One of his favorite quotes I recall is he wouldn't believe himself. I think he said that to Greta.

Probably the most honest words that ever came out of his mouth.

[bambam]

They have the same smirks on their face that Joran has. I'd like to wipe it off their face.

Bambam, thanks for your transcribing.

YW, i keep losing this site! it's giving me FITS today with all the super SLOW loading! aarrgghh!!! i'm sorry i just slapped up as fast as i could... then i had company and had to stop, so not all of it is there. but i'm sure y'all have been to the site. i think that matt (the blogger) is going to organize it better. he had said something about deleting it and i didn't want it to just vanish. (lol, if that's possible, i dunno) anyway... wow it was alot to take in, wasn't it? i am still in shock, even tho it's really not that surprising, ya know?

[TobyTiger]

Joran mentioned his sperm inside her Toby.
Yeah, however he could claim it was consensual. From what I've seen of the Aruban investigation they might have believed him at the time.

So much for "he didn't have a condom so they didn't have sex".

[chambord]

YW, i keep losing this site! it's giving me FITS today with all the super SLOW loading! aarrgghh!!! i'm sorry i just slapped up as fast as i could... then i had company and had to stop, so not all of it is there. but i'm sure y'all have been to the site. i think that matt (the blogger) is going to organize it better. he had said something about deleting it and i didn't want it to just vanish. (lol, if that's possible, i dunno) anyway... wow it was alot to take in, wasn't it? i am still in shock, even tho it's really not that surprising, ya know?

Dumb me I didn't bookmark his blog and counted on being able to access it thru In Session, that's why I appreciated your translation so well.

[StoneFox]

Is this Daury?

Saw the caption under the photo with the quote from Daury's interview.

http://witheet.com/entertainment/who-daury-francisco

[chambord]

Yeah, however he could claim it was consensual. From what I've seen of the Aruban investigation they might have believed him at the time.

So much for "he didn't have a condom so they didn't have sex".


Oh he did allude to that Toby, said Natalee had her hands inside his pants.

[chambord]

Is this Daury?

Saw the caption under the photo with the quote from Daury's interview.

http://witheet.com/entertainment/who-daury-francisco


Could be..Did you see the photo of the friend Joran confessed to? What a scary looking fella.

[TobyTiger]

Hey Toby!

Thanks for the translation of that article.

Sounds like Daury is a little upset. It also sounds like he and Joran spoke after the interview with DeVries, at least what I am reading.

Now, if they are not *good* friends, why would he still be in contact with Joran?

:waitasec:

You're welcome...love those literal translations, i.e. Joran "of the ditch".
:67302:

Good question.

[StoneFox]

Could be..Did you see the photo of the friend Joran confessed to? What a scary looking fella.

I think it is him. I went to the post page on the site. It appears it is a pic of Daury and there is a story that goes with the pic. It's in Duth, so don't know what it says. It may be the same interview with the Dutch paper, this site just added the photo with it.

I did not see the photo of the scary friend. Was there a link here on the boards, or was it during the interview?

[TobyTiger]

Is this Daury?

Saw the caption under the photo with the quote from Daury's interview.

http://witheet.com/entertainment/who-daury-francisco
The caption indicates that it likely is.

Still confused why this is the first we've heard of him IF he's such a good friend of Joran's.

[StoneFox]

What the heck is up with this message site?

I can't even make a reply without it going all jiggy.

:girl_sad:

Posted a reply and somehow ended up on page 10 of this thread.

[chambord]

I think it is him. I went to the post page on the site. It appears it is a pic of Daury and there is a story that goes with the pic. It's in Duth, so don't know what it says. It may be the same interview with the Dutch paper, this site just added the photo with it.

I did not see the photo of the scary friend. Was there a link here on the boards, or was it during the interview?

I saw it over at CW's place. He has a huge scar emitting from his lip across his cheek. Much older in appearance than I expected. In fact I was somewhat suprised that Joran would think of him as a safe confident. I can't help but think of Joe T tonight and how he must be feeling. LOL

[StoneFox]

You're welcome...love those literal translations, i.e. Joran "of the ditch".
:67302:

Good question.

But appropriate, huh :happy0158:

Joran of the ditch...just the place he should be...in the ditch.

[StoneFox]

I saw it over at CW's place. He has a huge scar emitting from his lip across his cheek. Much older in appearance than I expected. In fact I was somewhat suprised that Joran would think of him as a safe confident. I can't help but think of Joe T tonight and how he must be feeling. LOL


Ah, I see, Joran liked his 'gangsta' style.

:022:

[TobyTiger]

I saw it over at CW's place. He has a huge scar emitting from his lip across his cheek. Much older in appearance than I expected. In fact I was somewhat suprised that Joran would think of him as a safe confident. I can't help but think of Joe T tonight and how he must be feeling. LOL

Would LOVE to know how Joe T. is feeling tonight.

[StoneFox]

This site has been updated:

http://prdvtranslations.blogspot.com/

Dutch to English translation of PdV interview today.

[TobyTiger]

But appropriate, huh :happy0158:

Joran of the ditch...just the place he should be...in the ditch.

VERY appropriate, in my opinion.

[Luke Davis]

Natalee will never be found, says Joran
Sunday 03 February 2008

The body of American teenager Natalee Holloway will never be found,’ Dutch student Joran van der Sloot was seen saying on a tv programme on Sunday night.

The 18-year-old vanished on the holiday island of Aruba in May 2005.

Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries claims to have solved the mystery of her disappearance by using hidden cameras to record conversations between Van der Slot and a 'friend'.

Sitting in the front seat of a car and smoking marijuana, Van der Sloot is seen talking about how Natalee started shaking and died after they had sex on the beach late at night. 'She didn't say anything anymore,' he says.

After fitting a car with three secret cameras, De Vries was able to record a number of conversations with Van der Sloot as he went for drives with an older friend called Patrick van der Eem. Van der Eem approached De Vries offering to help with the investigation after meeting the student at a casino last year.

In one conversation Van der Sloot tells Van der Eem he phoned a friend called Daury to help get rid of Natalee’s body. Daury loaded it into his boat and dumped it at sea, Van der Sloot said.

But free newspaper DAG carried an interview with Daury on its website on Sunday night in which the 21-year-old says Van der Sloot is talking nonsense. ‘That is bullshit,' Daury says. 'He cannot have said that. I was in Rotterdam at school.’

On Friday, Van der Sloot himself said he had made the entire story up. His lawyer also said Van der Sloot had nothing to fear from Peter R de Vries’ revelations.

In another conversation, Van der Sloot talks constantly about the financial compensation he is the process of claiming. He has twice been arrested in connection with the disappearance.

The public prosecution department on Aruba described the recordings as a ‘very convincing story’ but said many facts still needed to be verified.

For more on this story, click here

For stills from the broadcast, click here

Dutch News (http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/natalee_will_never_be_found_says_joran.php)

More (http://www.telegraaf.nl/)

[StoneFox]

Would LOVE to know how Joe T. is feeling tonight.


Drinking Patron Margaritas would be my guess. Drowning his sorrows.

:71526: or maybe this is more like it following his outburst on Gerlado yesterday!

[TobyTiger]

Drinking Patron Margaritas would be my guess. Drowning his sorrows.

:71526: or maybe this is more like it following his outburst on Gerlado yesterday!
Speaking of Geraldo, if only his program would coincide with SB halftime...

[chambord]

Speaking of Geraldo, if only his program would coincide with SB halftime...

Oh poop, is geraldo covering this case tonight? i was looking forward to Tom Petty and the half time show.

[StoneFox]

Speaking of Geraldo, if only his program would coincide with SB halftime...

You mean you won't be watching SB halftime for wardrobe malfunctions :basic45:

[Luke Davis]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7839720049051941844&q=natalee+holloway&total=420&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=3

[rem16]

Oh poop, is geraldo covering this case tonight? i was looking forward to Tom Petty and the half time show.

I think Geraldo is pre-empted tonight.. it says O'Reilly is on.

[TobyTiger]

Oh poop, is geraldo covering this case tonight? i was looking forward to Tom Petty and the half time show.
I imagine he will be....however I still have the option of seeing a later airing of his program.


http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m220/aspenexplorer/patriot.gif

[StoneFox]

I think Geraldo is pre-empted tonight.. it says O'Reilly is on.

:1187603408.CR.Mothe

No Geraldo update!

Oh well

[TobyTiger]

:1187603408.CR.Mothe

No Geraldo update!

Oh well
Maybe Kimberly's on tonight? I haven't checked...
:0009:

[PatC]

I'm still a skeptic. Joran has had three (?) years to make up a story to titillate, and dance around the known facts. Personally, I could easily believe he was playing with his "friend" by telling this tale.

Maybe, if there are any data points that could be verified, I could believe what he says but right now it still sounds like just another story, embellished by information developed over the years and the most readily acceptable answer to what happened to her body (dumped in the sea).

I haven't read the whole translation, but other than naming a "friend" who supposedly dumped the body (and who now says he can prove he was somewhere else and couldn't have done it) is there anything new in his story that can be proved?

[Polonius]

Probably not. And probably he knows this, sigh.

Cocky as he is, though, I can see him sitting around smoking weed with his bud and bragging. I really can.

[PatC]

Probably not. And probably he knows this, sigh.

Cocky as he is, though, I can see him sitting around smoking weed with his bud and bragging. I really can.

I agree, but for me, it's that same cocky attitude that makes me think he could make up this story and tell it as fact.

[emmeblu]

How can anything that comes out of Joran's mouth be believed? He started telling lies right off the bat.

Seems to me the best story (lie) for him to tell is that Natalee died on her own. Getting rid of a body would not carry that much of a sentence compared to murder.

:1222423:Beth and Dave

[chambord]

I agree, but for me, it's that same cocky attitude that makes me think he could make up this story and tell it as fact.

If that happens to be true, he is sicker than I thought and needs immediate intervention before he hurts someone else. Seriously.

[TobyTiger]

How can anything that comes out of Joran's mouth be believed? He started telling lies right off the bat.

Seems to me the best story (lie) for him to tell is that Natalee died on her own. Getting rid of a body would not carry that much of a sentence compared to murder.

:1222423:Beth and Dave

I agree it's a better story than murder...however, it could be partially true. That scenario has always sounded plausible given the amount of alcohol she consumed. I don't think it's completely accurate though.

[Frankie Bones]

Oh poop, is geraldo covering this case tonight? i was looking forward to Tom Petty and the half time show.


Hi, Doll. I've got BOR on Fox. Is Geraldo using a different network tonight?

[TobyTiger]

My Yahoo! TV listings show that Geraldo is supposed to be on now and again at 8:00pm PT/11:00pm ET.

:0009:

[StoneFox]

I agree it's a better story than murder...however, it could be partially true. That scenario has always sounded plausible given the amount of alcohol she consumed. I don't think it's completely accurate though.

I think it is mostly true. Probably the part he is leaving out is HOW HE killed her. I just betcha he has told others a similar story during his stoned stupers. I'm hoping they will come forward now. Surely somebody has a conscience.

Maybe he did call a friend with a boat, but used Daury's name to protect the other friend. Didn't he say he would protect the person that helped him? I think he dropped the Daury for that very reason.

[chambord]

Hi, Doll. I've got BOR on Fox. Is Geraldo using a different network tonight?

Frankie my long lost friend. I so miss you. We need to share the end of this tragedy together, we have been through it all since day one. No question, Beth is feeling some relief tonight that her beloved Natalee is not being subjected to some sex slavery group, that has to bring her some comfort.

Love ya girlfriend, we have been through many of these sick crimes. Keep in touch.

[chambord]

I think it is mostly true. Probably the part he is leaving out is HOW HE killed her. I just betcha he has told others a similar story during his stoned stupers. I'm hoping they will come forward now. Surely somebody has a conscience.

Maybe he did call a friend with a boat, but used Daury's name to protect the other friend. Didn't he say he would protect the person that helped him? I think he dropped the Daury for that very reason.

I think you are thinking right. Joran is one shrewd character isn't it he? He believes he is above it all. Putz.

[emmeblu]

I agree it's a better story than murder...however, it could be partially true. That scenario has always sounded plausible given the amount of alcohol she consumed. I don't think it's completely accurate though.

Agree but still the question of why he would feel compelled to get rid of her body if he (Joran) did nothing to contribute to her death. The scary part to me and lets just say Joran's story is true, then Natalee may very well have still been alive when dumped in the ocean.

If the recount of all the drinking Natalee did that day is accurate, I am surprised she could walk or talk. I also still wonder if she took a pill or some kind of drug that caused her to die. Mixing drugs and alcohol is a deadly combo. Just my thoughts/opinions. Will anyone ever really know the whole truth?

[Carrington]

Why did he toss his shoes down a sewer, unless they had blood or her vomit on them?
Could there be another Daury? Is this a common name?
I still have a lot of questions.

God bless her family and friends tonight and always. It's been a long lonely road they walked.

[F~M]

I think it is mostly true. Probably the part he is leaving out is HOW HE killed her. I just betcha he has told others a similar story during his stoned stupers. I'm hoping they will come forward now. Surely somebody has a conscience.

Maybe he did call a friend with a boat, but used Daury's name to protect the other friend. Didn't he say he would protect the person that helped him? I think he dropped the Daury for that very reason.

I've flip flopped on this so many times I can't keep up with myself.

After this latest stunt, I think he's telling the truth. He disposed of her body (whether she was dead or alive), but like you said, he used a different name to say who helped him... JUST in case something came of his confession, there would be a loop hole, since Daury was not in Aruba at the time.

And yes, I do think he's just that sly.

[TobyTiger]

Agree but still the question of why he would feel compelled to get rid of her body if he (Joran) did nothing to contribute to her death. The scary part to me and lets just say Joran's story is true, then Natalee may very well have still been alive when dumped in the ocean.

If the recount of all the drinking Natalee did that day is accurate, I am surprised she could walk or talk. I also still wonder if she took a pill or some kind of drug that caused her to die. Mixing drugs and alcohol is a deadly combo. Just my thoughts/opinions. Will anyone ever really know the whole truth?
That she may not have been dead is troublesome to me also....assuming it's true she was put in the water at that point. As for drugs, that could play into the scenario however she could also have choked on vomit or simply passed out. Intoxicated persons will often appear to be ok as long as they're standing or walking, however can become ill if, for example, their head is tilted back as she would be riding in a car or laying on her back on the beach.

[4thekids]

That she may not have been dead is troublesome to me also....assuming it's true she was put in the water at that point. As for drugs, that could play into the scenario however she could also have choked on vomit or simply passed out. Intoxicated persons will often appear to be ok as long as they're standing or walking, however can become ill if, for example, their head is tilted back as she would be riding in a car or laying on her back on the beach.

ita. I read Peter R's blog earlier today. Not sure if she was dead? Shaking? OMG she may've been thrown in the sea with a beating heart! This goes to show just how much a human life meant to Joran and his good ole pal Daury. Has anyone heard that name before? I haven't.

How horribly inhumane. :1222423:

[TobyTiger]

ita. I read Peter R's blog earlier today. Not sure if she was dead? Shaking? OMG she may've been thrown in the sea with a beating heart! This goes to show just how much a human life meant to Joran and his good ole pal Daury. Has anyone heard that name before? I haven't.

How horribly inhumane. :1222423:

A Dutch news article published after the release of the tape has Daury stating he was in Rotterdam at the time. I hadn't heard of him prior to today however there was a photo posted here a few pages back. Annalyzing what Joran said, at one point he won't divulge the friend's name then mentions Daury. It's possible it was someone else who was there.

[StoneFox]

Why did he toss his shoes down a sewer, unless they had blood or her vomit on them?
Could there be another Daury? Is this a common name?
I still have a lot of questions.

God bless her family and friends tonight and always. It's been a long lonely road they walked.

One of the Dutch newpapers did an interview with Daury. He admits he is a friend of Joran's. I think he is the one and Joran used his name to cover for the REAL accomplice. Daury says he was not in Aruba at the time. I hope ALE is checking all this out.

Joran has made a fool of Daury and the Kalpoe brothers. I'm hoping one of them makes a fool out of Joran and spills the beans on what they know.

[candykisses1958]

I've flip flopped on this so many times I can't keep up with myself.

After this latest stunt, I think he's telling the truth. He disposed of her body (whether she was dead or alive), but like you said, he used a different name to say who helped him... JUST in case something came of his confession, there would be a loop hole, since Daury was not in Aruba at the time.

And yes, I do think he's just that sly.

Hey girl, I MISS YA!

The thing that makes me know he was not suspecting anything was him calling Paulus an OLD FOOL or something close to that.

I still think he was probably forcing himself on her in some manner she didn't want in the sand and she suffocated and that is JMO. I don't know why I believe that, but it's my last theory on Joran and I've been stuck with it for about a year now.....:1187603408.CR.Mothe

I know many people don't care for Beth, but MY GOD, she was leveled in those still shots from the show.....:1187603408.CR.Mothe For those who chastised her for not showing her emotion; tonight no question she was devastated. :1222423:

[Pauli]

What the heck is up with this message site?

I can't even make a reply without it going all jiggy.

:girl_sad:

Posted a reply and somehow ended up on page 10 of this thread.

It's not the site or a server problem.. it's a network problem.. I have been in touch with the techs all day and they are trying to find exactly what network is causing the problems. The board loads fast, like it normally does for most and slow for some others. Hopefully it is being cleared up..

[bambam]

ita. I read Peter R's blog earlier today. Not sure if she was dead? Shaking? OMG she may've been thrown in the sea with a beating heart! This goes to show just how much a human life meant to Joran and his good ole pal Daury. Has anyone heard that name before? I haven't.

How horribly inhumane. :1222423:

that is what i just cannot wrap my brain around; the fact that she may have been alive. if he was telling the truth about that-- that she was shaking and then he didn't really know if she was dead or not, saying she may have been comatose-- if that is true, then all he had to do was call 911 and say "hey i left the bar with this girl, she was drunk, when we got to the beach she had a seizure and passed out" and he would've been completely out of it. that makes me suspicious about that part of the confession. i believe he is leaving out the part where he had something to do with her death... and therefore knew she was dead. to say that she may have still been alive is really, really strange to me. if she were alive, then murder was committed when they dumped her in the water. this whole thing is so disgustingly horrible and unreal.

[StoneFox]

It's not the site or a server problem.. it's a network problem.. I have been in touch with the techs all day and they are trying to find exactly what network is causing the problems. The board loads fast, like it normally does for most and slow for some others. Hopefully it is being cleared up..

:howdy:

Thank you for letting me know. It doesn't happen all the time, just periodically.

[Oceanblueeyes]

I'm still a skeptic. Joran has had three (?) years to make up a story to titillate, and dance around the known facts. Personally, I could easily believe he was playing with his "friend" by telling this tale.

Maybe, if there are any data points that could be verified, I could believe what he says but right now it still sounds like just another story, embellished by information developed over the years and the most readily acceptable answer to what happened to her body (dumped in the sea).

I haven't read the whole translation, but other than naming a "friend" who supposedly dumped the body (and who now says he can prove he was somewhere else and couldn't have done it) is there anything new in his story that can be proved?

I am very skeptical PatC. I think this is nothing more than one of Joran's bu**chit stories. The guy is a pathological liar and feeds people what he knows will give him attention. He said he didn't trust this guy and I think he set him up with this very convoluted story. How in the world can the truth ever really be known when the guy has lied so much about so many things.

Maybe Beth will accept this as truth and at least feel some type of closure to the chaos so she can now sit back and mourn her daughter. I really don't think she has had time to do so before with so many unknowns.

But I really don't believe his story. I wish I did. I think he wanted to be the big machismo as usual.

imo

[Sherbie]

As I've seen some others say, I also can think of no reason that Joran would want to dispose of Natalee's body rather than call for help unless he was responsible in some way for what happened to her -- either direct physical harm (strangling, blunt force trauma, drowning) or providing drugs that caused the reaction he claims Natalee had.

If he had done nothing other than make out with Natalee, there should have been NO fear that he'd be in legal trouble over HER having a medical crisis. So his involvement in Nat's death (even if she died subsequent to being dropped at sea -- but dear God, I hope she was not still alive at that point) undoubtedly goes way beyond what he admitted.

I also can think of no person that "I-love-ME-so-much, screw-everybody-else" Joran would give enough of a crap about to protect other than perhaps a family member. I think he was telling the truth that he wouldn't give that person up and that he in fact didn't. I think he tossed Daury's name out there just to try to impress, to show how much he trusted and could BE trusted in return. He wanted to tell the whole truth but couldn't take the chance his DAD could ever be found out for his participation, IMO.

So...what can Joran be charged with if any corroborating evidence is found to back up his story? Failure to render aid? Manslaughter? Accomplice to manslaughter? Murder? Obstruction of justice? At the very least, I'd think the last one is provable simply by comparing conflicting statements he's given. Too bad he can't be charged with intentionally inflicting the cruelest of emotional torment and torture on Natalee's family.

I don't hold out a lot of hope that true justice will ever prevail. But regardless the legal outcome (oh, how I'd LOVE to see him go down for what he's done), Beth and the rest of Natalee's loved ones know the gist of what happened now, and it came right from the jackass's own mouth.

No longer can anyone claim Natalee's family was somehow involved or responsible or any of the other ludicrous things we've seen said. ANY person with even a tiny lick of sense now knows that Joran was involved in and responsible for Natalee's death. Anyone who would deny that at this point obviously has an agenda other than the truth.

What a joke LE is in Aruba. RIP, precious Natalee. :1222423:

[Luke Davis]

Probably not. And probably he knows this, sigh.

Cocky as he is, though, I can see him sitting around smoking weed with his bud and bragging. I really can.I definitely would believe Deepak and Satish and that could be enough. Don't know about Aruban law but I think in the USA a DA could go for manslaughter/murder.


IMO

[KittyMom]

Well, Juran has shown how little respect he has for his father, D & S, Natalee, and now this Daury person. Maybe one of them will get angry enough to finally talk.

I noticed that Juran says he "had something" on the friend with the boat. Wonder what that was and why it was enough to make sure the guy keeps his mouth closed?

On a side note...Greta was so snowed by Juran in her interview, I hope she's recognized how gullible she looked.

[Details]

I haven't seen it yet - but I have seen reports Daury was in the Netherlands at the time Natalee vanished. Which would push the lie/joke theory up a bit.

[TobyTiger]

Well, Juran has shown how little respect he has for his father, D & S, Natalee, and now this Daury person. Maybe one of them will get angry enough to finally talk.

I noticed that Juran says he "had something" on the friend with the boat. Wonder what that was and why it was enough to make sure the guy keeps his mouth closed?

On a side note...Greta was so snowed by Juran in her interview, I hope she's recognized how gullible she looked.

Speaking of boat, aren't we basically back at square one, as the one with the boat was Croes?

It should be apparent to those who know Joran that his only interest is in protecting himself, however, I don't believe this version of events was the whole truth either.

[StoneFox]

I haven't seen it yet - but I have seen reports Daury was in the Netherlands at the time Natalee vanished. Which would push the lie/joke theory up a bit.

At first, Joran wouldn't give the name of his friend with the boat...said he owed him his life. I think Joran threw out Daury's name as a convenient cover up for the REAL accomplice. I notice he made a point to say it was not his father.

[StoneFox]

Speaking of boat, aren't we basically back at square one, as the one with the boat was Croes?

It should be apparent to those who know Joran that his only interest is in protecting himself, however, I don't believe this version of events was the whole truth either.


That's where I keep going too Toby...Croes!

Wasn't there evidence that he took a boat out that night without the permission of his employer? I would have to go back and check that to be sure.

[Luke Davis]

Another English translation (adult language) (http://dissfunktional.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/natalee-holloway-report-translated-to-english/)

[Luke Davis]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/03/natalee.holloway.suspect/#cnnSTCVideo

[Luke Davis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_UcAqoWkjw

[kellabeck]

Hi, Doll. I've got BOR on Fox. Is Geraldo using a different network tonight?


Frankie??? Is that you??? Hey there, hon!!

I heard on the TODAY show that ABC tonight will show the Dutch footage and they showed an excerpt. I see on my DVR it is on 20/20.

So fire up those TiVos!!

PS-- Frankie, will we see you over on the Jensen board?

[Pandabear]

My heart just breaks for Beth. To watch and hear that POS laugh and talk about throwing her baby into the ocean, not knowing or caring if she was dead or alive, must have been almost as hard as not knowing what happened to Natalee.


I do have my doubts that VDS will ever pay for his crime. He may not have killed Natalee, but he could possibly have saved her had he not chose to dispose of her like a bag of trash. Even though he says this video was some big joke, at least now the world has heard a confession come directly from his mouth. Maybe if nothing else, this will save some other young woman that might have taken him up on an offer for a walk on the beach.

I will continue to pray that justice is done and this creep is taken off the streets for good. He deserves to be disposed of without a second thought, just the way he threw Natalee away.

:1222423: for Natalee and her Family.

[Pandabear]

From the tape:


Joran: “I didn’t say s**t. They have nothing on me anymore. Even if they find her body with my sperm in it, they can’t do s**t. they’re f***ing idiots.”


I think it's possible that he did either have sex with her or that he raped Natalee and that's why he didn't call for help from the officials. He knew that if she was dead, forensics would uncover this and he would have been in knee deep trouble. It was easier to dump her and hope she was never found, and that if she was, all trace of him would have been destroyed.

JMO

[FDInLaw]

:1187603408.CR.Mothe It's so hard to watch the video of her Mom. :(

Justice for Natalee! :1222423:

[KittyMom]

I can't imagine that any father would want Joran to date his daughter after watching this tape. It makes him look like a dope smoking, chicken poop weasel. Certainly not cool/hip/gangsta/whatever. I'd bet he finds himself short of "friends" now that he keeps bring up names.

How proud mama and papa (aka The Old Fool) must be every time their golden boy opens his mouth.

[Grande]

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[LiveLaughLuv]

OMG! I was looking all over the TV last night for this interview and can't believe I've missed it.

What a worthless POS!

I thought for a long time he put Natalee into the ocean. There is no way in the universe they will ever find her. What he did was horrendous. He should pay for it.

I don't believe he said this jokingly. I feel he meant every word and is now just backpeddeling to cover his arse. He knows well, Aruban authorities can't do anything to him without a body. I don't think they have circumstantial evidence as a reason for prosecution. I do hope I am wrong.

I am grateful that this reporter at least got it on tape, cause you can't take back what is said. I hope the authorities in Aruba find a loophole that they can prosecute him and keep in in jail. I also feel daddy helped along with those two Kalpoe brothers. They know, they just don't want to implicate themselves.....

Justice for Natalee :1222423:

[F~M]

From the tape:





I think it's possible that he did either have sex with her or that he raped Natalee and that's why he didn't call for help from the officials. He knew that if she was dead, forensics would uncover this and he would have been in knee deep trouble. It was easier to dump her and hope she was never found, and that if she was, all trace of him would have been destroyed.

JMO

I think he raped her. I just read the transcript Luke posted. He doesn't say they had sex, they were fondling, then she started seizing, etc., but he says his sperm would be found in side her.

Did he rape her while she was dead or unconscious? Sounds like it to me.

[KittyMom]

I sort of wish that the reporter had played Joran a little longer. Not for info on Natalee but to see if he might implicate himself in any other crimes or some of these "friends" of his. Maybe they could've gotten him on drug or gambling charges. I just don't think that the Aruban or Dutch authorities want to charge him in Natalee's death/disappearance. But they may've been more willing to get him on unrelated charges. :z0tdntknw: