Mark's Mistakes

[kellabeck]

I thought it would be fun to compile a list as we think of them.

1. Smothering her. (Patience is a virtue, even in a killer. Had he waited, he would not have left such obvious signs of murder.)

2. Blabbing. (To Klug who told his wife and the sec'y, and Nehring, and the snitches.)

3. Talking to Ratzberg and changing his story. (He didn't touch her, well, maybe he grabbed her shoulder. Maybe he grabbed her by the neck. He rolled her over so her face was in the pillow when she was having difficulty breathing? AYKM?)

4. Trying to get rid of Klug. (And thinking we couldn't break his code! I mean "500 twice"-- What could that mean??)

5. Keeping so many notes. (Didn't realize Julie suspected you and left a LETTER, huh?)

6. Acting like the wake was a cocktail party. (Even though everyone grieves differently. That is, normal people are sad and killers celebrate.)

7. High fiving Dad.

8. Trashing her stuff.

9. Not calling an ambulance.

10. Researching poisons on the internet right after looking up your paramour's old BF.


There are ten to start with. I don't want to spoil your fun. Please add to it.

[DeeJay]

1. Stalking Julie for SEVEN YEARS with porno and hang-up calls. (those came to a screaching halt when he knew LE was onto it.)

2. Keeping penis drawings and descriptive of each and every one. :puke:

3. Taking the stack of Playboy mags from the garage shelf as he departed the house the evening Julie died. Shows where his priorities were. (Such a high priority under the sad demise of his wife.)

4. Attended the office Christmas party 8 days after Julie's death and smoozing with a female sales assistant....(Life for MJ was was back to normal.)

These are but a few more pieces to the State's puzzle and brought into court for the jury to consider.

I am sure I could think of more but can't dig them out of my brain, at the moment. :z0tdntknw:

[sciencegirl]

What I remember:

1. Having an affair

2. Leaving the Paxil strategically placed on the counter (with small children FGS). That told me a whole lot.

3. Asking the children to stay in the car or walk the dog while he went in to check on Julie. Duh!!!! Mark

4. Telling the police he went to work on Dec. 3; when he didn't.

5. Requesting the Ambien; and the police find 3 missing, when only one should have been missing. (Also, shame on the doctor who prescribed this)

6. Asking his business associate if it would be ok to have Kelly come to the wake and also stay at his house.

7. Kelly moving in with Mark only 3 weeks after Julie's death.

8. Talking to the principal on the phone who was going to offer Julie a job and Mark saying she would be sleeping for a very very long time and then laughing.

9. Involving his father in burglarizing their own home just to scare Julie.

10. And, being a narcicistic, self-absorbed, worthless little man.:puke:

[kellabeck]

So we are up to 24?? Wow!

[gramvof14]

1. having what looked like a bottle of anti-freeze in garage that disappeared
2. saying he was getting stalking calls at work sec. said she never heard any
3.saying he was getting pic's at work sec opens all the mail never saw any.

To early in the morning I am sure there are more.

[bigkitty]

:mornincoffee:

1) Cleaning up TOO much. If he wanted to say she was the one who poisoned herself he should have hidden the antifreeze in a closer location, and hid a cup under the bed so it would have been more obvious it was her. Her fingerprints on the suspicious items. Very easy to just wrap an unconscious person's hand around something you want to connect them with.

2) Admitting that she was incoherent and unable to get out of bed that morning, then forgetting that he didn't do 1).

jmo

[twinkiesmom]

Choosing poison as the cause of death inevitably leads to the spouse being charged. He was facing an expensive defense from the get-go.

The choice to murder his wife despite all the numerous contacts she had with the police and their belief in his guilt in the stalking simply ensured this case would be prosecuted at some point.

The choice to scare Julie prior to the murder, leading her to tell numerous people about fears for her life and documenting it with a letter and police contacts.

The choice not to take her to a hospital when there were witnesses to her medical distress.

The mistaken belief that Julie had no support in the community and that he had the complete support of Stifel Nicolaus personnel.

[twinkiesmom]

#1 Mistake:
Thinking he could outsmart state forensic pathologists and toxicologists with his entire education in poisoning being a Yahoo search.

[lyndawitha"y]

Mark getting impatient, and smothering her before he left the house, as he was afraid she might be still alive when the kids got home from school. ( He had promised to take mummy to hospital if she wasn't better by time they got home!)

BTW..Julie would of died anyway, and it was his actions, of face smushing, and leaving her in an awkward postion, that sent up the Red Flags! Also EG would not have been the front line testing levels of testing post morteum..but with chrystals in kidney's still would have been eventually found!

[johnielee333]

looks like ya'll are doing a good job naming them. i'm too tired to think straight right now but i do have some to name later. he made alot of mistakes but the biggest one was when he decided to murder a smart,sweet & loving woman. i am so glad that she wrote the letter & told people what her fears were. i really wish i would of known julie & i would of did everything & anything to get her & her little boys away from him. mark is a sick psycho evil nut case that make's me so very angry. i hope & pray the jury finds him guilty. i would like him to get the DP for what he did but they dont have it there.
Love & Justice For Julie !!! May She Rest In Peace !!!

[jcc]

There are so many. I'm going to give my top five, prioritized.

Given: antifreeze poisoning is not in question.

1) Computer evidence, particularly the searches about poison and drug interactions. I think it has been proven that MJ was the user of the computer, corroborated by emails, cruise info, patagonia site info, JJJ... This all shows premeditation.

2) MJ did not seek medical help for JJ during the last two days, when he said himself she couldn't get out of bed, couldn't talk, couldn't sit up, was having difficulty breathing.

3) MJ lied about not going to work the day JJ died

4) MJ left his children outside when entering the house to find JJ dead

5) Witness accounts~ Mr. Wojt and Mr Nehring were extremely reliable witnesses. Mr. Klug was a weaker witness, imo, but I believe him.


I also believe MJ suffocated JJ, but that piece is not essential in my mind to prove his guilt.

And..... there is so much MORE that weighs against him, but it is more than I even need.

[Topaz]

Great pic! He looks like a big boy now! LOL

I hope the jury can keep a level head with all the obfuscations the defense
is doing.

[kindee]

Is the telling Mr. Mangi Julie will be sleeping a loooooong time on here?

[ScottyDo]

Mark's mistake - not divorcing Julie after she "confessed" about the affair. JMO

[kindee]

oops sorry kellabeck and all I see you did cover Mr. Mangi

I think Mark having his parents behind him looking like they are at a baseball game is a mistake.

[ScottyDo]

Mark should stop biting his fingers. JMO

[kindee]

Covering Julie up like she was tucked in.

[kellabeck]

Is the telling Mr. Mangi Julie will be sleeping a loooooong time on here?

No. Good catch. It's on the list.

[kellabeck]

Covering Julie up like she was tucked in.


Yes, and leaving her face down, in the pillow like that.

[kindee]

Yes, and leaving her face down, in the pillow like that.



I really think his biggest mistake was holding her face down so long is rearranged her features. No person with a drop of sense can look at Julie's face without knowing what happened. She MAY have done other things to herself but she didn't hold her own face in the pillow that long or hard, period.

[ScottyDo]

He cremated her. Some might find that a mistake. JMO

[kellabeck]

He killed her. Yes, killing her was a mistake.

[Roamer]

Asking posters again to refrain from accusing. Families of victims (whoever it may be in this instance) could be reading here.

Thanks

[kindee]

Asking posters again to refrain from accusing. Families of victims (whoever it may be in this instance) could be reading here.

Thanks



I thought attacking the victim wasn't going to be tolerated here? I still see all those attacking posts.

[kellabeck]

Some posters don't seem able or willing to discuss evidence. They seem to be here only to attack the victim and stir up trouble.

[kindee]

Some posters don't seem able or willing to discuss evidence. They seem to be here only to attack the victim and stir up trouble.



And nothing more. I really hoped we left this behind.

[kellabeck]

:1222423::1222423:To Julie's TWO D's who she loved until the THIRD D crushed her last breath out of her.

[ScottyDo]

:1222423::1222423:To Julie's TWO D's who she loved until the THIRD D crushed her last breath out of her.


I think JJ loved MJ until her last breath no matter if it was murder or suicide. IMO

:1222423:

[Pinkypoo]

Marks biggest mistake....
Not drinking the Anti-freeze himself.

[ScottyDo]

MJ's first mistake, dating JJ.

[bigkitty]

MJ's first mistake, dating JJ.

Its comments like this that anger other posters Scotty. You claim you want to discuss, but then you post comments that seem to be meant as digs towards the victim. Maybe if you would stop to think that WE CAN'T SEE YOUR FACE and don't know if you mean things like that in a mean way aimed at Julie you would post more carefully.

If you meant that if they hadn't dated and married then this trial wouldn't be happening today, you could explain yourself more fully and then not be misunderstood. Off the cuff remarks such as that are easily misunderstood.

jmo

[johnielee333]

MJ's first mistake, dating JJ.

No, Mark's first mistake was when he decided to kill Julie !!!! JMO