Feb. 9-10 Weekend Discussion

[sciencegirl]

Thought I'd start a Weekend Discussion thread in case we all want to discuss some more.

I just want to say; that the defense has provided nothing with the three witnesses that were put on so far. And really, the Pastor, what was the point of that. Digging pretty far back into Julie's life for some kind of evidence.

Though, I'm still laughing out loud that the Judge said Albee could not call the detective to the stand who arrested Dillard; just so he could get the detective to admit that Dillard actually cried. OMG!!!!:67302: Good call judge.

[bambam]

hey SG, i was over on the other thread talking about starting a weekend thread... and zap! it was closed! lol i had just finished saying that there was prolly a weekend thread started and i didn't even know it... and i was right!! LOL

[bigkitty]

Thought I'd start a Weekend Discussion thread in case we all want to discuss some more.

I just want to say; that the defense has provided nothing with the three witnesses that were put on so far. And really, the Pastor, what was the point of that. Digging pretty far back into Julie's life for some kind of evidence.

Though, I'm still laughing out loud that the Judge said Albee could not call the detective to the stand who arrested Dillard; just so he could get the detective to admit that Dillard actually cried. OMG!!!!:67302: Good call judge.


Good morning Sciencegirl!:0012:

Give Molly a hug from me!

I had to go out for a while yesterday to get my son from school. I don't know how much I missed, but I did catch some of the Pastor's testimony, and was able to listen to MJ's sister. The part that I caught with the Pastor just annoyed me and I was really happy with Mr. Jambois' cross. It was awesome, even though it was objected to and sustained!:D

I'm sure the jury was thinking the things that Mr. Jambois brought up.

jmo

[sciencegirl]

hey SG, i was over on the other thread talking about starting a weekend thread... and zap! it was closed! lol i had just finished saying that there was prolly a weekend thread started and i didn't even know it... and i was right!! LOL

I didn't realize you were all over there until I started the thread; so I went to post to let you know I started a weekend thread; and got the Closed. So, I guess we are here for the weekend. Hope that is ok with everyone.

[sciencegirl]

I was not the least bit happy with the sista of Mark. She was a bit arrogant if you ask me. Go to Harlett's LINKS thread and read about the sista under her pic. ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bigkitty]

I was not the least bit happy with the sista of Mark. She was a bit arrogant if you ask me. Go to Harlett's LINKS thread and read about the sista under her pic. ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks for that. I was wondering what she looked like. I really get alot out of a person's face and body language when they speak. Missing SEEING her testifying left me unsure of how she came across.

jmo

[bambam]

I was not the least bit happy with the sista of Mark. She was a bit arrogant if you ask me. Go to Harlett's LINKS thread and read about the sista under her pic. ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i totally missed her testimony yesterday. what did she say?

[bigkitty]

i totally missed her testimony yesterday. what did she say?

Basically, background on herself, her relationship with Julie, how Julie babysat her son up until he was about 4 and the reason Julie stopped watching her son. Said that she got a call at work from Julie with Julie yelling and very upset saying that the son had smeared poop all over the bathroom, that when she got there there was no sign of poop and that she didn't smell any cleaning products. I got the feeling she was implying that either Julie lied or was crazy and imagined the incident.

Keep in mind that I wasn't watching her testimony, only listening. I'm hoping that the person that has been posting the clips on U-tube will put it up today. I checked this morning but it wasn't there yet.

jmo

[sciencegirl]

Thanks for that. I was wondering what she looked like. I really get alot out of a person's face and body language when they speak. Missing SEEING her testifying left me unsure of how she came across.

jmo

I just didn't like the way she came across. She was very relaxed as she spoke; and a bit too confident. Maybe I wanted to see some fear or loss in her face; afterall; she said her and Julie were best friends.

[sciencegirl]

i totally missed her testimony yesterday. what did she say?

I would highly recommend finding her testimony on youtube and listening to it. She really bothered me for some reason. Especially the poop incident.

[bigkitty]

I just didn't like the way she came across. She was very relaxed as she spoke; and a bit too confident. Maybe I wanted to see some fear or loss in her face; afterall; she said her and Julie were best friends.


Do you think that she was surprised about the information that Mark was cheating on Julie, stalking her, and his porn obession? I wonder if his family was aware before these things were brought up in the court proceedings how strange MJ really is and the way he behaved towards Julie. I know that at one point she was asked a question about the things they did when they were kids and she stressed that they were "normal". I wonder if she's trying to convince herself as much as she's trying to convince the jury that MJ's "normal"?

jmo

[bambam]

Basically, background on herself, her relationship with Julie, how Julie babysat her son up until he was about 4 and the reason Julie stopped watching her son. Said that she got a call at work from Julie with Julie yelling and very upset saying that the son had smeared poop all over the bathroom, that when she got there there was no sign of poop and that she didn't smell any cleaning products. I got the feeling she was implying that either Julie lied or was crazy and imagined the incident.

Keep in mind that I wasn't watching her testimony, only listening. I'm hoping that the person that has been posting the clips on U-tube will put it up today. I checked this morning but it wasn't there yet.

jmo

well, jeezz, why would julie make something like that up? the child prolly very well DID it-- doesn't mean that it was a LOT (of poop, eww) she could've cleaned it easily without there being "cleaning smell"! especially depending on how long after it was before she arrived to pick him up! that does sound like was trying to imply that julie was crazy! aarrgghh!!!

[bigkitty]

well, jeezz, why would julie make something like that up? the child prolly very well DID it-- doesn't mean that it was a LOT (of poop, eww) she could've cleaned it easily without there being "cleaning smell"! especially depending on how long after it was before she arrived to pick him up! that does sound like was trying to imply that julie was crazy! aarrgghh!!!

I was thinking the same thing. I think she might have been like me (germaphobic). I think she also was stressed out from the stalking that MJ was putting her through. She might have been afraid that one of the boys might find the smut that was being left around, and its hard to keep two active four year olds in one place at the same time to make sure that doesn't happen. If I was going through what she was I would have been emotionally EXHAUSTED. Its hard to be a mom in that kind of situation, let alone take care of another person's child.

jmo

[DeeJay]

I missed LK's testimony but caught up with everyone's posts.

If Julie has known this poop would become a big issue years down the line, she would have thought to have taken a photo of "poop on the wall".:girl_haha:

Looking forward to cross of LK. :grin:

[bigkitty]

I missed LK's testimony but caught up with everyone's posts.

If Julie has known this poop would become a big issue years down the line, she would have thought to have taken a photo of "poop on the wall".:girl_haha:

Looking forward to cross of LK. :grin:

Good morning DeeJay!:0012:

She wasn't like MJ ... she didn't do pictures.:rolleye0001:

jmo

[DeeJay]

Good morning DeeJay!:0012:

She wasn't like MJ ... she didn't do pictures.:rolleye0001:

jmo

'Mornin'!

Was thinking in terms of the photos Julie took of MJ's day planner and saved for LE.

[kellabeck]

Good morning! In briefly to read a bit and try to catch up.

This sister was the one who said that Mark killed Julie?? And now she's testifying FOR him?

Did Jambois get to cross her yet? And what was the point, if any, of the Pastor's testifying?

[DeeJay]

Good morning! In briefly to read a bit and try to catch up.

This sister was the one who said that Mark killed Julie?? And now she's testifying FOR him?

Did Jambois get to cross her yet? And what was the point, if any, of the Pastor's testifying?

Cross won't happen until Monday. Yes, she's the one that signed a LE statement saying she believed MJ killed Julie.

I didn't get to see the pastor's testimony. Buffering problems all day yesterday. Then had to leave in late afternoon so missed sister's testimony. All I know is what I've read in posts.

[bambam]

how did it end up that it was first announced that MJ's sister would testify for pros.... and here she is on the def's list??? i have no idea what the point of the pastor's testimony was... i really didn't pay a whole lot of attention to it, so maybe i just missed it. seems to me like the def is really reaching with these witnesses!

[bigkitty]

'Mornin'!

Was thinking in terms of the photos Julie took of MJ's day planner and saved for LE.

I get you now. The incident happened much earlier though (3 years). I understand that it was only in the few months before she died that she became frightened and suspicious.

jmo

[twinkiesmom]

I was not the least bit happy with the sista of Mark. She was a bit arrogant if you ask me. Go to Harlett's LINKS thread and read about the sista under her pic. ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I didn't get to see this testimony, but can't you just imagine the Jensen family sitting around the kitchen table, trying to figure out what they can add to evidence of Julie's insanity....And Laura ends up with the poop story.

[bigkitty]

Good morning! In briefly to read a bit and try to catch up.

This sister was the one who said that Mark killed Julie?? And now she's testifying FOR him?

Did Jambois get to cross her yet? And what was the point, if any, of the Pastor's testifying?


She's still on direct. I think the pastor was supposed to counter the bad behaviour of MJ (laughing during the wake) and try to say it was normal.

jmo

[bambam]

and didn't i read somewhere that there were going to be snitches testifying for def?? after albee went on and on and on and on and on about how ALL snitches are LIARS-- yet he would expect the jury to believe a snitch that HE puts on??? scratching my head on that one!! sheesh!!

[DeeJay]

I get you now. The incident happened much earlier though (3 years). I understand that it was only in the few months before she died that she became frightened and suspicious.

jmo

Guess I was being a bit facetious. :doh:

[bigkitty]

Have a nice day everybody!:happy0207:

My son is sitting behind me impatiently waiting for me to vacate what he thinks is HIS computer.:D Hopefully, I'll get back on later today!:basic45:

jmo

[sciencegirl]

I didn't get to see this testimony, but can't you just imagine the Jensen family sitting around the kitchen table, trying to figure out what they can add to evidence of Julie's insanity....And Laura ends up with the poop story.

Exactly right. Of all things to talk about. Maybe if Mark's sista was trying to take care of 2 four year old boys; she'd realize how stressed out a mother can be. She stated she was concerned that all was not good (she could tell if Julie had a good day or a bad day) and the poop incident threw her over the edge and she decided to not let Julie babysit. For Pete's sake, boys will be boys. So, if sista shows up and Julie is exhausted or frustrated; sista held that against her.

My two nephews when they were young, age 3-4 took a gallon of milk and poured it on the kitchen floor pretending it was an ice skaing rink :67302: Of course, Mom was in the shower at the time.

[DeeJay]

I didn't get to see this testimony, but can't you just imagine the Jensen family sitting around the kitchen table, trying to figure out what they can add to evidence of Julie's insanity....And Laura ends up with the poop story.


The poop story is just well.........silly. Besides, I wouldn't have told such story when it was my own kid that did it. But that's just me.

[bambam]

Exactly right. Of all things to talk about. Maybe if Mark's sista was trying to take care of 2 four year old boys; she'd realize how stressed out a mother can be. She stated she was concerned that all was not good (she could tell if Julie had a good day or a bad day) and the poop incident through her over the edge and she decided to not let Julie babysit. For Pete's sake, boys will be boys. So, if sista shows up and Julie is exhausted or frustrated; sista held that against her.

My two nephews when they were young, age 3-4 took a gallon of milk and poured it on the kitchen floor pretending it was an ice skaing rink :67302: Of course, Mom was in the shower at the time.


my youngest son would kill me if he knew that i said this... (he's 22 now) but i can recall an incident when he was vewy vewy wittle where he did a little "smear" job (yuck!!) it DOES happen!! lol

[sciencegirl]

The poop story is just well.........silly. Besides, I wouldn't have told such story when it was my own kid that did it. But that's just me.

It's not only silly; I think it's made up to make Julie look crazy.

[bambam]

The poop story is just well.........silly. Besides, I wouldn't have told such story when it was my own kid that did it. But that's just me.

and i just told one!! :67302: i would've never.. had this not come up!! lol

[sciencegirl]

my youngest son would kill me if he knew that i said this... (he's 22 now) but i can recall an incident when he was vewy vewy wittle where he did a little "smear" job (yuck!!) it DOES happen!! lol

I have 7 brothers and 2 sisters. I can't begin to even share the stories of the things we did. :67302:

[DeeJay]

and i just told one!! :67302: i would've never.. had this not come up!! lol


:67302: But you didn't tell it under oath in a court of law.

[kellabeck]

She's still on direct. I think the pastor was supposed to counter the bad behaviour of MJ (laughing during the wake) and try to say it was normal.

How morally compromised do you have to be as a MINISTER to testify on behalf of a penis-obsessed, porn-stalking, cheating murder suspect and say that it's "normal" for a new widower to treat a wake like a cocktail party?

That's disgusting. His congregation might be rethinking their affiliation this weekend.

[bambam]

I have 7 brothers and 2 sisters. I can't begin to even share the stories of the things we did. :67302:

i'm soooo relieved you said that! i was beginning to think that no one would talk to me again since i said that!:67302:

[DeeJay]

It's not only silly; I think it's made up to make Julie look crazy.

Well that's right. That's the reason she held on to the story and told it. When LK & MJ got there, there was no sign of poop or the smell of a Lysol cleanup = Julie was delusional. :0001:

[sciencegirl]

i'm soooo relieved you said that! i was beginning to think that no one would talk to me again since i said that!:67302:

I should probably clarify what i said. It was my brothers and sisters who did things. I was the oldest girl; and the second mom; so I had to clean up after their messes. But, we can laugh about it now.:girl_haha:

[bambam]

I should probably clarify what i said. It was my brothers and sisters who did things. I was the oldest girl; and the second mom; so I had to clean up after their messes. But, we can laugh about it now.:girl_haha:

oh sure...YOU never did anything!! lol :kidding-01: no, i know what you mean about being the oldest-- so was i; so believe me, i know!!

[RayStar]

I have 7 brothers and 2 sisters. I can't begin to even share the stories of the things we did. :67302:
:mornincoffee:

Almost noon. There are 10 of us. SG I have plenty of funny stories of us as kids to tell also. It is all about growing up. I think LK is flirting with danger and Jamblois will tear her up if some previous agreement has not precluded him from doing so. We have seen Albee open the door before. I feel so sad for the Griffin brothers.

[DeeJay]

It appears so far, the witnesses Albee's brought in have nothing to refute the pros' case. Not imo. And the wasn't allowed to bring in the police officer that arrested Dillard and made him "cry."

I dare say, Albee's CIC is going to falter badly.

No idea why the pastor was called. No idea why he'd want to testify for a slag prono lover, liar, wife cheater, stalker & murderer. Albeit the pastor is retired but still he's in the congregation.

Pastors nomally testify at a sentencing hearing, only to say they'd only seen the good side of the convicted defendant. And never have I seen a pastor disparage the victim.

[sciencegirl]

:mornincoffee:

Almost noon. There are 10 of us. SG I have plenty of funny stories of us as kids to tell also. It is all about growing up. I think LK is flirting with danger and Jamblois will tear her up if some previous agreement has not precluded him from doing so. We have seen Albee open the door before. I feel so sad for the Griffin brothers.

Jambois is precluded from bringing in something; but I don't know what it is. After trial yesterday, the judge and Jambois were talking about it; and Jambois said "I'm well aware of that order from you at the forfeiture hearing" and I have no plans to go into it. Here's the kicker though. Albee has no idea what it's all about. So, of course, Albee wanted to know what it was and the Judge said to Jambois "you don't have to tell him if you don't want to; you are not required". And Jambois said "No, I don't want to tell him". And, Albee was not to pleased.

So beats me what it is; but if the Judge ordered Jambois not to bring something up this the sista; I would think Albee should have access to the information. So, who knows.:z0tdntknw:

[RayStar]

Wow, now I really wonder what it is and why Albee is unaware of it. I thought the judge was talking about Albee opening the door. Thanks SG:)

[DeeJay]

Jambois is precluded from bringing in something; but I don't know what it is. After trial yesterday, the judge and Jambois were talking about it; and Jambois said "I'm well aware of that order from you at the forfeiture hearing" and I have no plans to go into it. Here's the kicker though. Albee has no idea what it's all about. So, of course, Albee wanted to know what it was and the Judge said to Jambois "you don't have to tell him if you don't want to; you are not required". And Jambois said "No, I don't want to tell him". And, Albee was not to pleased.

So beats me what it is; but if the Judge ordered Jambois not to bring something up this the sista; I would think Albee should have access to the information. So, who knows.:z0tdntknw:


Should be easy to find out. Isn't there a transcript of that hearing in the archives at www.kenoshanews.com?

[Bernie]

Wow, now I really wonder what it is and why Albee is unaware of it. I thought the judge was talking about Albee opening the door. Thanks SG:)

I thought that the pro. said Albee was headed to opening something up, Albee was trying to figure out what he meant. I think the pro. cannt bring up the sisters prior statement? Im going to rewatch that part and see for sure :howdy:

[andersson33]

:67302: But you didn't tell it under oath in a court of law.

I don't have one to tell, but if I did, I would.
:girl_haha:

Good morning, trial addicts!
:0012:

[RayStar]

Thanks Bernie.

[sciencegirl]

Wow, now I really wonder what it is and why Albee is unaware of it. I thought the judge was talking about Albee opening the door. Thanks SG:)

I am also wondering about it. I swear; the post I made with the quotes are pretty much verbatim; as I thought about it all night long. It just stuck in my head as I couldn't understand why Albee would not know about whatever it is that Jambois can't bring up. It just didn't make sense.

The only thing I can think of is that is was a personal conversation between the Judge and Jambois:z0tdntknw:

[sciencegirl]

I thought that the pro. said Albee was headed to opening something up, Albee was trying to figure out what he meant. I think the pro. cannt bring up the sisters prior statement? Im going to rewatch that part and see for sure :howdy:

Let us know what you find out. If Jambois is precluded from bringing up the sista's prior statement; then Albee should know that. Whatever it is; Albee did not know about it. Also, why wouldn't Jambois be able to bring up the sista's prior statement if it is on record and in a transcript.

This is just so curious to me.

[Baranis]

Hey gang,
Good to see a group that has sane and reasonable posts. Now that Pros. has rested their CIC, the defense is off to a, let me pause, well, there OFF.

1. Dr. Rumack=Poison Expert[terrible mathematician]
2. Mr. Defazio=1990 Physiologist that gave samples of Prozac to JJ.
[cannot read his own notes]
3. Pastor ?= It's ok to laugh when one has lost their spouse.
4. Albee's asst.?= Provided proof that she sent court docs to Kenosha Jail.
[did not prove when MJ received them]
5. Laura Koster=MJ's sister[a crock] We have heard that term before.

Albee's argument for a witness[a cop] to testify that Dillard cries is a joke. Laughter brought tears to my eyes. Anyone want to guess that Albee wants LK's statement[I think my brother killed Julie] in via back door so he can claim a mistrial?

[annalyzer]

Basically, background on herself, her relationship with Julie, how Julie babysat her son up until he was about 4 and the reason Julie stopped watching her son. Said that she got a call at work from Julie with Julie yelling and very upset saying that the son had smeared poop all over the bathroom, that when she got there there was no sign of poop and that she didn't smell any cleaning products. I got the feeling she was implying that either Julie lied or was crazy and imagined the incident.

Keep in mind that I wasn't watching her testimony, only listening. I'm hoping that the person that has been posting the clips on U-tube will put it up today. I checked this morning but it wasn't there yet.

jmo

I'd tell someone to come get their kid too if they were smearing poop on the wall. Gross. :puke:

[Baranis]

Here is what KL said or does not want to say.
"During a hearing, Koster denied telling police she thought Mark killed Julie, despite a police statement with her name and phone number saying just that.
Koster said she did not want to give a statement when a detective first questioned her, and her husband cancelled a police interview."
Kenosha News Who's Who in the Jensen Trial.
http://www.kenoshanews.com/jensen/whos_who.php

[jcc]

Though, I'm still laughing out loud that the Judge said Albee could not call the detective to the stand who arrested Dillard; just so he could get the detective to admit that Dillard actually cried. OMG!!!!:67302: Good call judge.

ITA. It just really emphasizes what little the defense has to work with if they want to call in a witness to try to prove that Dillard really did cry. And the funniest part is, we could say Mr. Albee was crying about it :zm10:

[sciencegirl]

Here is what KL said or does not want to say.
"During a hearing, Koster denied telling police she thought Mark killed Julie, despite a police statement with her name and phone number saying just that.
Koster said she did not want to give a statement when a detective first questioned her, and her husband cancelled a police interview."
Kenosha News Who's Who in the Jensen Trial.
http://www.kenoshanews.com/jensen/whos_who.php

But the question is; wouldn't Albee know this and know that Jambois is not to bring this in (if that is the case). I would think that he would know. Whatever it was; Albee was unaware. Actually, to Albee and really I guess to me; it appeared like it was a secret between the Judge and Jambois. That was just the impression; I'm not claiming any impropriety here by the Judge or Jambois. It was like Albee was left out and of course, he acted like a little kid; being left out of the boys clubhouse.

[sciencegirl]

ITA. It just really emphasizes what little the defense has to work with if they want to call in a witness to try to prove that Dillard really did cry. And the funniest part is, we could say Mr. Albee was crying about it :zm10:

:67302: Albee has been crying from day one; if you ask me. I thought I heard he only had 24 witnesses. Did anyone hear anything different?

[jcc]

well, jeezz, why would julie make something like that up? the child prolly very well DID it-- doesn't mean that it was a LOT (of poop, eww) she could've cleaned it easily without there being "cleaning smell"! especially depending on how long after it was before she arrived to pick him up! that does sound like was trying to imply that julie was crazy! aarrgghh!!!

I agree that JJ probably CLEANED it up. Why would anyone leave it there? BTW... it would take 30 minutes to get from Abbott where she works to PP, and about 30 minutes to get from Racine to PP. She said both she and Mark arrived at the same time.

It might have been over reactive of Julie to call them both home from work over such an incident, but at the same time... trying to watch a bunch of kids running and back and forth around a pool, and clean up poop... might have put her over the edge in the moment. I just think it is a rather silly thing to have brought up, but I suppose the defense was trying to show JJ could "lose it" on occasion. What mother doesn't?

And, I think that Laura overreacted as well, to storm out with her child in tow never to return. But, nobody likes to have their child accused of doing something wrong.

What I really took offense to was having both the pastor and Laura recount the medical crisis JJ mother had at the rehearsal dinner due to alcohol withdrawal. I think that is just very very low. My mother was an alcoholic, and it is just such a complex disease and to reduce it to some incident of gossip is something I personally took offense to. Alcoholism touches so many~ probably everyone knows someone affected~ and I'm just not sure how that sat with the jury. To me, it was a dirty dirty tactic, and there is another word I'm thinking of and I can't put my finger on it~ that would describe it more accurately.

[Shotzie]

Hi SG, I just read the part about Mark's Sister being Julies "BEST FRIEND":puke:
Do you think she is related to PUMPKIN PIE??:67302:
Wow, like the sayng goes, Friends like that Who needs Enemies

an Oh your Molly is adorable..:basic44:

[Baranis]

But the question is; wouldn't Albee know this and know that Jambois is not to bring this in (if that is the case). I would think that he would know. Whatever it was; Albee was unaware. Actually, to Albee and really I guess to me; it appeared like it was a secret between the Judge and Jambois. That was just the impression; I'm not claiming any impropriety here by the Judge or Jambois. It was like Albee was left out and of course, he acted like a little kid; being left out of the boys clubhouse.

Good question, but Kenosha News has printed such, so Albee should know.
KL's statement has been sealed by the Judge[I think]. Unless there is something else, I would let Albee squirm over the weekend trying to figure it out himself.:francis:

[jcc]

how did it end up that it was first announced that MJ's sister would testify for pros.... and here she is on the def's list??? i have no idea what the point of the pastor's testimony was... i really didn't pay a whole lot of attention to it, so maybe i just missed it. seems to me like the def is really reaching with these witnesses!

I am sure there is a lot of family pressure... maybe the threat of having her inheritance pulled. Who knows. It would take someone of pretty high integrity to do the right thing, knowing they would be an outcast in the family. And, in reality, her testimony of "thinking her brother capable" doesn't really do a lot for the prosecution. It will be interesting to see if she is honest about recounting the conversation she had with Julie, where Julie told her she thought Mark was going to kill her.

[lost indie]

Wisn was buffering too badly for me to watch yesterday afternoon.

What did the pastor say besides the part about JJ's mom at the rehearsal dinner? Was there an actual surprise witness?

[lyndawitha"y]

Just to add a little insight to suicidal behaviors..People who commit suicide do not do it by putting poison their food or drink..remember they would be hell bent on fulfilling the outsome..So if EG was not found in any of the food stuffs from fridge, or any liquids collected from the scene..I highly doubt that this is a case of suicide. Now, on the other hand finding EG in food or drinks..that would indicate an attempt to mask the taste..thus poisoning by a third party. Now taking it to the level we have here in THIS case...None (EG) was found in food, liquids, in the house..and the deceased person in the house was poisoned 36 hourse or so before..then there is evidence of a cover up..

Cover-up by whom you say..Well it is a well known fact that EG kils by completion of 3-4 stsages. Julie was Dead on the 3rd Dec 1998. So the killing dose had to have been injested at least 36 hours prior... Since we know ..at least it was explained to the jurors, what happens to the "Ingestee" of EG..It is quite obvious that Julie was incapacitated to complete this supposed frame up..and why would she had ever wanted to clean up the scene if she was planning to frame Mark.

In a nutshell, Mark's defense does not hold water..and unless Craig Albee comes up with a smoking gun so to speak, then Mark should go down for this hiddeous crime!

LMS

Hi everyone..I just brought this post over from elsewhere..who many just want to point to Mark's innocents because???..The LE didn't test the dixie cups, or the bowls etc..and follow that by Julie malingering, faking, and staging her death to frame Mark!...Course most here don't buy that..but just taking this case on one level alone..is enough in my books.. Put this along with behaviors of a husband with "Issues" and a Devoted mother of 2 kids..I truly don't feel any confusion of the responsible person who murdered someone!

[Baranis]

Wisn was buffering too badly for me to watch yesterday afternoon.

What did the pastor say besides the part about JJ's mom at the rehearsal dinner? Was there an actual surprise witness?

The pastor testified that he did not find MJ's laughter after JJ's death as unusual.
Jambois crossed with questions like: If you knew that MJ wanted his mistress to attend the funeral would you change your opinion?
If you knew that MJ was looking up poison on his home computer, would you change your opinion?
I need help on these answers because of buffering also.

[Baranis]

LMS, I agree, it is a far fetched idea that JJ would use anitfreeze to frame MJ. That would be self torture to endure the effects of EG poisoning. The unreasonable doubt is the only twig for the defense to rely on.
The defense is about as funny as a one legged waiter/waitress at IHOP.

[sciencegirl]

Hi SG, I just read the part about Mark's Sister being Julies "BEST FRIEND":puke:
Do you think she is related to PUMPKIN PIE??:67302:
Wow, like the sayng goes, Friends like that Who needs Enemies

an Oh your Molly is adorable..:basic44:

Hey Shotzie - Long time no see :basic44:

OMG; how can one forget Pumpkin Pie?? And, yes, great comparsion. Such good friends; but now that she is dead; I think I'll trash her. I just don't understand some people's morals today.

So sad:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[DeeJay]

The pastor testified that he did not find MJ's laughter after JJ's death as unusual.
Jambois crossed with questions like: If you knew that MJ wanted his mistress to attend the funeral would you change your opinion?
If you knew that MJ was looking up poison on his home computer, would you change your opinion?
I need help on these answers because of buffering also.

I would like to have answers to those questions, too. Yesterday was the worst day I've ever had with buffering problems. When it would connect, it only stayed on for 15 seconds and looked to be in slow motion.

Would also like to see Laura Koster's direct testimony. I keep checking youtube but nothing new has been added. Nothing from yesterday.

[Bernie]

The Judge told Jambois if he now has reason or grounds to go into that....sisters statement....he needs to notify the court right away Monday morning before the jury enters.

Jambois said he sees no reason state can go into that unless she mentions it on direct....however based on Albees opening statement if she testifies as Albee said in his opening the Jambois said there will be rigorize cross examination.

Albees left to wonder what in his opening Jambois is going after :howdy:

[DeeJay]

The Judge told Jambois if he now has reason or grounds to go into that....sisters statement....he needs to notify the court right away Monday morning before the jury enters.

Jambois said he sees no reason state can go into that unless she mentions it on direct....however based on Albees opening statement if she testifies as Albee said in his opening the Jambois said there will be rigorize cross examination.

Albees left to wonder what in his opening Jambois is going after :howdy:

Thanks for the info. I didn't see the OS...I didn't have a link to live streaming the first 2 days of the trial.

[sciencegirl]

Thanks for the info. I didn't see the OS...I didn't have a link to live streaming the first 2 days of the trial.

What did Albee say in his opening that the sister would testify to?? I'm just so curious about all of this.

[Cat]

Hey gang,
Good to see a group that has sane and reasonable posts. Now that Pros. has rested their CIC, the defense is off to a, let me pause, well, there OFF.



http://bestsmileys.com/welcome/1.gif Baranis!

Great moderation here.

[Cat]

What did Albee say in his opening that the sister would testify to?? I'm just so curious about all of this.

Hi, SG. I have a question, too. What would the snitch crying have to do with anything?

Your Molly is so fluffy and cute. She must go to the groomer regularly.

[sciencegirl]

Hi, SG. I have a question, too. What would the snitch crying have to do with anything?

Your Molly is so fluffy and cute. She must go to the groomer regularly.

Hi Cat -

Are you ready for this???? It's big stuff!!! Albee wanted to put the cop that arrested Dillard on the stand and ask him if Dillard in fact cried when he was arrested. The reason to put the detective on the stand - to prove that Dillard was lying when he said he did not cry. Yup, that's right!!!:67302:

And, of course, the judge said NO!!! :67302:

Molly is a sweetheart, thanks. Actually, I groom her myself.

[Cat]

:faintTHUD: Okaaaaaaaaaaay. Dumb de dum dum. Thanks, SG.

You are a great groomer. It takes a lot of care and knowledge to do that right. I have watched groomers at the pet store.

[gramvof14]

Hello everyone glad you all are on here. Had my dd and my ds over, my son came over to shovel the snow. I don't know why, its snowing again and another one is comming tuesday I just want to scream I am so sick of winter.
Ok got that out of my system .haha
Now My thoughts on the sister about the poop she was trying hard to find something to say that would make Julie look bad and I have a feeling she is lying about it.Also she said Julie took care of other children not just her son.I didn't hear that other mothers are going to testify against Julie and complain about how she took care of their children. OK MY ranting is over.haha:basic44::girl_haha:

[Cat]

Hi gram,

We have something in common besides this mb. I could scream, too. Enough winter already. This is what I want to see: http://bestsmileys.com/flowers/3.gif

[Cat]

I think I am one of those thread killers. Every time I post, everyone disappears. http://bestsmileys.com/surprised/4.gif

[bambam]

I think I am one of those thread killers. Every time I post, everyone disappears. http://bestsmileys.com/surprised/4.gif

BOO!!!! or..maybe someone APPEARS!!! lol

[gramvof14]

Hi gram,

We have something in common besides this mb. I could scream, too. Enough winter already. This is what I want to see: http://bestsmileys.com/flowers/3.gif
that looks good to me.:basic45:

[sciencegirl]

Hello everyone glad you all are on here. Had my dd and my ds over, my son came over to shovel the snow. I don't know why, its snowing again and another one is comming tuesday I just want to scream I am so sick of winter.
Ok got that out of my system .haha
Now My thoughts on the sister about the poop she was trying hard to find something to say that would make Julie look bad and I have a feeling she is lying about it.Also she said Julie took care of other children not just her son.I didn't hear that other mothers are going to testify against Julie and complain about how she took care of their children. OK MY ranting is over.haha:basic44::girl_haha:


I feel your pain Gram. We are at 50 degrees today; with a high tomorrow of
-20 degrees. Winds at 40-50 mph. I've had it with this Winter.:000:

[gramvof14]

I also don't understand why Albee could cross the pros witnesses on their statements that they said earlier and Jambois can't do the same with the sister.:eyebrow1qb:

[DeeJay]

What did Albee say in his opening that the sister would testify to?? I'm just so curious about all of this.

No idea. Because I did not see any of the opening statements. I missed the first 2 days, b/c I didn't have a live stream link until then.

I WISH I could have heard OS.

[IfIMay]

I think the issue lies with the *inconsistent* statement. If the sister says anything to the effect that she's never thought he killed her, then it comes in. I think if Albee avoids that, Jambois cannot confront her with it. It's a fine line.

[Cat]

BOO!!!! or..maybe someone APPEARS!!! lol

Ha ha, here you are, bambam. :love0085:

[gramvof14]

I feel your pain Gram. We are at 50 degrees today; with a high tomorrow of
-20 degrees. Winds at 40-50 mph. I've had it with this Winter.:000:
This has been and awful winter and nobody and I mean nobody better mention globel warming to me right now.:nonono::doh::duh::71541:

[Cat]

I feel your pain Gram. We are at 50 degrees today; with a high tomorrow of
-20 degrees. Winds at 40-50 mph. I've had it with this Winter.:000:

We freezing here again. http://bestsmileys.com/winter/14.gif We are supposed to reach ZERO for a high temp tomorrow. Geez..........

[Cat]

This has been and awful winter and nobody and I mean nobody better mention globel warming to me right now.:nonono::doh::duh::71541:

:s1gyahoo:

[DeeJay]

Y'all tired of winter??

Now, I'm about to break your hearts.....

It is currently 67 degrees here, in Southern Nevada, (and the day isn't over), .....Our first day of Spring & planting season.

Ducking outta sight now.....:71526:

:67302:

[sciencegirl]

I think the issue lies with the *inconsistent* statement. If the sister says anything to the effect that she's never thought he killed her, then it comes in. I think if Albee avoids that, Jambois cannot confront her with it. It's a fine line.

But, I thought her statement was in a police statement. So why wouldn't Jambois be able to cross examine her on that statement?

[gramvof14]

I wonder why the sister changed her mind about testifing against her brother
she has to be grossed out after hearing what he did and his obsession with his boyscout.:shock:

[sciencegirl]

Y'all tired of winter??

Now, I'm about to break your hearts.....

It is currently 67 degrees here, in Southern Nevada, (and the day isn't over), .....Our first day of Spring & planting season.

Ducking outta sight now.....:71526:

:67302:

:000:

[bambam]

Ha ha, here you are, bambam. :love0085:

awww shuckies! here's some love right back atcha! :love0085: lol i've been over "there" posting just a wee tiny bit--you know--just to set some ppl straight on a few things! :D

[sciencegirl]

I wonder why the sister changed her mind about testifing against her brother
she has to be grossed out after hearing what he did and his obsession with his boyscout.:shock:

Maybe Mark threatened to hire someone to "sit" on her also.:67302:

[gramvof14]

Y'all tired of winter??

Now, I'm about to break your hearts.....

It is currently 67 degrees here, in Southern Nevada, (and the day isn't over), .....Our first day of Spring & planting season.

Ducking outta sight now.....:71526:

:67302:
You better duck J/K

[Cat]

Y'all tired of winter??

Now, I'm about to break your hearts.....

It is currently 67 degrees here, in Southern Nevada, (and the day isn't over), .....Our first day of Spring & planting season.

Ducking outta sight now.....:71526:

:67302:

I am throwing snowballs at you, Dee. http://bestsmileys.com/winter/22.gif

[Cat]

awww shuckies! here's some love right back atcha! :love0085: lol i've been over "there" posting just a wee tiny bit--you know--just to set some ppl straight on a few things! :D

Thank you, bam. I hope you made some points.

[bambam]

Thank you, bam. I hope you made some points.

well, prolly not... but one can try! :)

[gramvof14]

Maybe Mark threatened to hire someone to "sit" on her also.:67302:
Who knows, she was best friends with Julie and even told her she could come to her house if she was afraid of Mark.

[DeeJay]

I am throwing snowballs at you, Dee. http://bestsmileys.com/winter/22.gif

They're melting fast as snowballs in h...! :girl_haha:

[IfIMay]

But, I thought her statement was in a police statement. So why wouldn't Jambois be able to cross examine her on that statement?

I don't know. I'm just thinking that Jambois thinks Albee opened the door to it in his opening, but the judge disagreed. :z0tdntknw:

[Cat]

They're melting fast as snowballs in h...! :girl_haha:

I figured. Boy, it would be great to get up to 60, heck even 40 would be like spring for us here.

[bambam]

They're melting fast as snowballs in h...! :girl_haha:

dj, i am also experiencing a beautiful... and not cold sunny day here in the deep south.....:girl_haha: and i LOVE it!!

[gramvof14]

OK Deejay here it comes, you asked for it. hahaha
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/snowball.gif

[gramvof14]

I figured. Boy, it would be great to get up to 60, heck even 40 would be like spring for us here.
Yes us tooI get up and we are in the low teens and that is just lately before it was 0

[bambam]

cool gram! lol how do y'all come up with these PERFECT lil pics and smilies?? i love it!

[Cat]

Gram, I love it. I couldn't find a throwing snowballs smiley.

[Cat]

dj, i am also experiencing a beautiful... and not cold sunny day here in the deep south.....:girl_haha: and i LOVE it!!

But you just wait until you folks are sweating your butts off in the summer. Then Wisconsin will look better.

[Cat]

Yes us tooI get up and we are in the low teens and that is just lately before it was 0

Sounds like your weather is exactly like ours. Amazing! Lots of miles in between us.

[DeeJay]

dj, i am also experiencing a beautiful... and not cold sunny day here in the deep south.....:girl_haha: and i LOVE it!!


I opened up my doors.....A dip in the pool wouldn't go astray by tomorrow. How 'bout you?

I'm feeling so warm, I may have to pull out a pair of shorts. :basic44:

[bambam]

But you just wait until you folks are sweating your butts off in the summer. Then Wisconsin will look better.

naww!! i can always go to the beach and get in the water! :basic45:

[DeeJay]

OK Deejay here it comes, you asked for it. hahaha
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/snowball.gif


:francis: :67302: :67302: :67302:

That is too cool!

[gramvof14]

cool gram! lol how do y'all come up with these PERFECT lil pics and smilies?? i love it!
photobucket-video and images

[kellabeck]

Y'all tired of winter??

Now, I'm about to break your hearts.....

It is currently 67 degrees here, in Southern Nevada, (and the day isn't over), .....Our first day of Spring & planting season.

Ducking outta sight now...

Not to add to your pain but here in Manhattan it was almost 70 degrees one day this week. And the weatherperson said that there was no measurable snow in Central Park in January for the first time in 75 years.

:grin:

[spunkylubbock]

Y'all tired of winter??

Now, I'm about to break your hearts.....

It is currently 67 degrees here, in Southern Nevada, (and the day isn't over), .....Our first day of Spring & planting season.

Ducking outta sight now.....:71526:

:67302:
Yep, it's 68 now in north Texas. I better go hide too. Nope, I think I'll throw something out for y'all to take a look at.

Here's a trial in this area that is amazing for the fact that the wife is mad at LE & supporting her husband who hired a hit man to kill her:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/020908dnmetsterling.a000543a.html

Keep clicking on the links to hear what his girlfriend has to say & to read the commentary from a local journalist. Sheesh! The wife wants him out on probation!

[DeeJay]

But you just wait until you folks are sweating your butts off in the summer. Then Wisconsin will look better.

Oh that's SO TRUE. Our summers are beastly! ( 115-125 isn't unusual).
No humidity here, until AZ gets their monsoons......then we have 'slight' humidity for about 2 weeks.

[spunkylubbock]

Gram, I love it. I couldn't find a throwing snowballs smiley.

They've got some here, just check under winter:

http://bestsmileys.com/pageindex.htm

[gramvof14]

Sounds like your weather is exactly like ours. Amazing! Lots of miles in between us.
I know but NH gets socked comming from Canada and sometime from over your way, the weather man will say it is comming across and then up to us and I yell at him NOOOOOOOO. but he doesn't listen to me.hahaha

[Cat]

I opened up my doors.....A dip in the pool wouldn't go astray by tomorrow. How 'bout you?

I'm feeling so warm, I may have to pull out a pair of shorts. :basic44:

Ok, now you are just taunting. Shame on you. j/k
http://bestsmileys.com/water/10.gif

[kellabeck]

I don't know. I'm just thinking that Jambois thinks Albee opened the door to it in his opening, but the judge disagreed. :z0tdntknw:

Do not despair. Albee is like those uniformed doormen at the Ritz, always opening the door. Rather like those high-priced mouthpieces working for Spector.

I have faith in Craig that he will not be able to resist just one more question and it will be the one and Jambois will be riding the bulldozer through the opening.
:s1gyahoo:

[Cat]

Not to add to your pain but here in Manhattan it was almost 70 degrees one day this week. And the weatherperson said that there was no measurable snow in Central Park in January for the first time in 75 years.

:grin:

Good God, and we have feet of snow. We are hoping it doesn't all melt at once when spring finally does arrive.

[DeeJay]

Yep, it's 68 now in north Texas. I better go hide too. Nope, I think I'll throw something out for y'all to take a look at.

Here's a trial in this area that is amazing for the fact that the wife is mad at LE & supporting her husband who hired a hit man to kill her:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/020908dnmetsterling.a000543a.html

Keep clicking on the links to hear what his girlfriend has to say & to read the commentary from a local journalist. Sheesh! The wife wants him out on probation!


"I ask you to hear me as a mother. Take into consideration my two sons. ... They need their daddy," she said, her words muffled by her sobbing. "Forget about all the other witnesses. Forget about all that. Think about my boys."

Oh, okay.......forget his CRIME! I need my man home!! :67302:
FRUITCAKES ARE EVERYWHERE! :girl_haha:

[Cat]

Oh that's SO TRUE. Our summers are beastly! ( 115-125 isn't unusual).
No humidity here, until AZ gets their monsoons......then we have 'slight' humidity for about 2 weeks.

What do poor people do who can't afford A/C? I could never stand your heat. Bright sun gives me headaches, too.

[gramvof14]

They've got some here, just check under winter:

http://bestsmileys.com/pageindex.htm
those are cute too. when I go into photobucket I just type in snowball fight and up pops all differant ones.

[Cat]

They've got some here, just check under winter:

http://bestsmileys.com/pageindex.htm

I didn't see snowballs. That's where I got my snowing house.

Anyway, that woman who wants her husband on probation must be NUTS.

[spunkylubbock]

"I ask you to hear me as a mother. Take into consideration my two sons. ... They need their daddy," she said, her words muffled by her sobbing. "Forget about all the other witnesses. Forget about all that. Think about my boys."

Oh, okay.......forget his CRIME! I need my man home!! :67302:
FRUITCAKES ARE EVERYWHERE! :girl_haha:
Can you believe that woman? From all the reports he was quite the ladies man at the fitness center he worked at. Her husband must have a smooooooooth line of BS!

[Cat]

I know but NH gets socked comming from Canada and sometime from over your way, the weather man will say it is comming across and then up to us and I yell at him NOOOOOOOO. but he doesn't listen to me.hahaha

Oh, yes, Canada. We get it coming down from there lots of times. I always tell them to keep it. :girl_haha:

[Cat]

Can you believe that woman? From all the reports he was quite the ladies man at the fitness center he worked at. Her husband must have a smooooooooth line of BS!

I met a few of those in my dating days.

[DeeJay]

http://bestsmileys.com/sun/5.gif

Southern Nevada.

[IfIMay]

But you just wait until you folks are sweating your butts off in the summer. Then Wisconsin will look better.
ha! When I was in Wisconsin for the Osh Kosh air show in 2006, it was 100 stinkin' degrees. What's that about? It was in the 70's before AND after I was there. It was really a nice place, though. Like that big lake you got hanging around Milwaukee.

[Cat]

I am SO GLAD we don't get banned for being off topic here.

[gramvof14]

Do not despair. Albee is like those uniformed doormen at the Ritz, always opening the door. Rather like those high-priced mouthpieces working for Spector.

I have faith in Craig that he will not be able to resist just one more question and it will be the one and Jambois will be riding the bulldozer through the opening.
:s1gyahoo:
Boy Kella I sure hope so.

[Cat]

ha! When I was in Wisconsin for the Osh Kosh air show in 2006, it was 100 stinkin' degrees. What's that about? It was in the 70's before AND after I was there. It was really a nice place, though. Like that big lake you got hanging around Milwaukee.

Was that the year they had big storms too? Yes, we sometimes have hot weather, but it usually only lasts a few weeks. USUALLY, but we can't count on anything anymore. The saying is: "If you don't like Wisconsin weather, wait a minute; it will change."

[spunkylubbock]

I met a few of those in my dating days. :innocent1:

I hope he gets life. The only reason that silly woman isn't dead is that her husband hired a hitman who had enough of a conscience that he couldn't kill an 8 months pregnant woman! Doesn't she know he just might try again?

[DeeJay]

Can you believe that woman? From all the reports he was quite the ladies man at the fitness center he worked at. Her husband must have a smooooooooth line of BS!

He must share DNA with Bobby Cutts. I cannot understand what all those women saw in Cutts. He's not wealthy nor good looking. He never paid child support either.

[IfIMay]

Or Drew Peterson...what in the world? What a serious sociopath that guy is.

[DeeJay]

I am SO GLAD we don't get banned for being off topic here.


Almost scary, isn't it? :71526:

For the first few days on here, I was SO CAUTIOUS!! :022: for fear of being O/T & not so afraid of cw, but the posters that nominated themselves to be bb monitors. :71541:

[spunkylubbock]

He must share DNA with Bobby Cutts. I cannot understand what all those women saw in Cutts. He's not wealthy nor good looking. He never paid child support either.

The only reason I see for these women staying with that type of man is the guy's got a great line & is good in bed. The guy down here's not anything great to look at either.

[DeeJay]

Or Drew Peterson...what in the world? What a serious sociopath that guy is.

Oh yeah, him too......omg! I cannot stand that creep! http://bestsmileys.com/evil/3.gif

[gramvof14]

Was that the year they had big storms too? Yes, we sometimes have hot weather, but it usually only lasts a few weeks. USUALLY, but we can't count on anything anymore. The saying is: "If you don't like Wisconsin weather, wait a minute; it will change."

Thats funny we say that about New England weather.I wouldn't live anywhere else, I love the seasons but I could do with out winter.
:basic45:

[andersson33]

I wonder why the sister changed her mind about testifing against her brother
she has to be grossed out after hearing what he did and his obsession with his boyscout.:shock:

Some families are real big on denial. This I know because I married into one.
It's worse than "don't ask don't tell." It's about erasing the "bad event" from family history.

Example: last autumn a hugely embarrassing and downright awful thing happened to one of "the cousins" -- he got in deep trouble with the law because he broke it, and had to go to trial. It was an allegation of abuse.
And that's all I better say--but it was the talk of the family for 2 days, the phones were buzzing at all hours.

Then, it was over. Nothing was said. Absolutely nothing. Like the Devil's Advocate I sometimes am, (I'm just an in-law to this bunch), I just had to ask at a private family dinner: "WELL, so what's up with SoAndSo? Any news on what's going to happen?" And the entire group of 12 of them, the adults, became silent as death.

And then my MIL burned a look right through me and after many moments, she finally picked up her fork and began eating again. The rest of them, who'd all stopped eating to stare at me, or their plate, began eating then too.

And never was another word spoken about this cousin: a law enforcement officer, who broke the law, and also crossed the boundaries of morality and civility.
For months on end, no one talked about him or his trial.
If I didn't know better, I'd think it never happened. None of it.

The jury found him not guilty, and the story now is that he was the victim of a conspiracy against him, and a brother in law says he plans to file suit on the cousins behalf to clear his name publically. MIL says it's government abuse--and that's the family "line" too, if pressed for an answer.

But: It's not government anything. He's as guilty as guilty can be. But that's the story now. Within 6 months this guy has gone from black sheep to wronged hero--and that's the family's story, and they are sticking to it.

Last weekend at dinner, there was mention of this cousin--his wife left him because of what he was accused of doing--and we had a moment of silence for poor "him." He's the victim, now.

My dh and I have learned over the years to bite our tongues. Me, though, I tend to SAY something to see what kind of response I'll get--because their attitude of DENIAL of the facts just begs to be shaken up (by me. :eyebrow1qb:)

Denial. That's what the Jensen's are doing, too. I'll bet anything.
If you think their dinners are full of hand wringing and tears, I'll bet they're not like that at all.
Because within that family, they are denying that anything bad happened that involved Mark, and so they don't discuss it.
How can you discuss something that didn't occur? And the allegation that Mark killed Julie is so preposterous it's laughable, and not suitable for discussion.

Denying is easy for some families if they've done it all their "lives" together.
I KNOW, believe me.
I've seen some of best examples of DENIAL in the 36 years I've been an inlaw to my dh's family--and so while I do not agree with this method of dealing with "family problems" -- hey, this is what some families do, including the Jensens.
Denial is why they can chatter and chirp and laugh it up behind Mark in court--they know damn good and well what Mark did to Julie, but they're going to stick together, all the Jensens, and just say none of it ever happened.

That's THEIR story, and in the true style of DENIAL, they have no problem sticking to it.

:serious:

[Cat]

Thats funny we say that about New England weather.I wouldn't live anywhere else, I love the seasons but I could do with out winter.
:basic45:

Yes, I feel the same about WI. Autumn is my favorite time.

[DeeJay]

Or Drew Peterson...what in the world? What a serious sociopath that guy is.

He's so arrogant and evil. http://bestsmileys.com/evil/4.gif

I cannot stand to look at him. His arrogance and in you face attitude just creeps me out.

He's just down the road from a cybefriend of mine. Her name's Patty. Just so no one thinks it's a guy. I'm old enough to be her mother. We got aquainted during the Margaret Rudin trial.

[Cat]

andersson, that is a great post. Everything you say is true. Especially severely dysfunctional families live like this. There are alcoholics in my family, so I know how it works. Al-Anon taught me a lot.

[Cat]

:000a1: Got to go for a while. DH will probably want supper (darn him). Fun to chat with you all. Later.

[kellabeck]

The woman in Dallas with the hubby who hired a hitman and she wants to STAY with him? Why, she must be SUICIDAL!!

:rolleyes:

[DeeJay]

The woman in Dallas with the hubby who hired a hitman and she wants to STAY with him? Why, she must be SUICIDAL!!

:rolleyes:


Or a DEATH WISH!

[spunkylubbock]

The woman in Dallas with the hubby who hired a hitman and she wants to STAY with him? Why, she must be SUICIDAL!!

:rolleyes:
Yep, and she wants to keep the mother-in-law who couldn't wait to meet her replacement. She wants to stay with the guy who gave both her & the girlfriend the same "$14,000" watch that in reality is so cheap that the girlfriend can't get anything for it at a pawn shop.

I can understand why Julie stayed with Mark but I cannot understand why this woman wants to stay with a man who hired a hit man to kill her. I just don't get it.

[gramvof14]

Some families are real big on denial. This I know because I married into one.
It's worse than "don't ask don't tell." It's about erasing the "bad event" from family history.

Example: last autumn a hugely embarrassing and downright awful thing happened to one of "the cousins" -- he got in deep trouble with the law because he broke it, and had to go to trial. It was an allegation of abuse.
And that's all I better say--but it was the talk of the family for 2 days, the phones were buzzing at all hours.

Then, it was over. Nothing was said. Absolutely nothing. Like the Devil's Advocate I sometimes am, (I'm just an in-law to this bunch), I just had to ask at a private family dinner: "WELL, so what's up with SoAndSo? Any news on what's going to happen?" And the entire group of 12 of them, the adults, became silent as death.

And then my MIL burned a look right through me and after many moments, she finally picked up her fork and began eating again. The rest of them, who'd all stopped eating to stare at me, or their plate, began eating then too.

And never was another word spoken about this cousin: a law enforcement officer, who broke the law, and also crossed the boundaries of morality and civility.
For months on end, no one talked about him or his trial.
If I didn't know better, I'd think it never happened. None of it.

The jury found him not guilty, and the story now is that he was the victim of a conspiracy against him, and a brother in law says he plans to file suit on the cousins behalf to clear his name publically. MIL says it's government abuse--and that's the family "line" too, if pressed for an answer.

But: It's not government anything. He's as guilty as guilty can be. But that's the story now. Within 6 months this guy has gone from black sheep to wronged hero--and that's the family's story, and they are sticking to it.

Last weekend at dinner, there was mention of this cousin--his wife left him because of what he was accused of doing--and we had a moment of silence for poor "him." He's the victim, now.

My dh and I have learned over the years to bite our tongues. Me, though, I tend to SAY something to see what kind of response I'll get--because their attitude of DENIAL of the facts just begs to be shaken up (by me. :eyebrow1qb:)

Denial. That's what the Jensen's are doing, too. I'll bet anything.
If you think their dinners are full of hand wringing and tears, I'll bet they're not like that at all.
Because within that family, they are denying that anything bad happened that involved Mark, and so they don't discuss it.
How can you discuss something that didn't occur? And the allegation that Mark killed Julie is so preposterous it's laughable, and not suitable for discussion.

Denying is easy for some families if they've done it all their "lives" together.
I KNOW, believe me.
I've seen some of best examples of DENIAL in the 36 years I've been an inlaw to my dh's family--and so while I do not agree with this method of dealing with "family problems" -- hey, this is what some families do, including the Jensens.
Denial is why they can chatter and chirp and laugh it up behind Mark in court--they know damn good and well what Mark did to Julie, but they're going to stick together, all the Jensens, and just say none of it ever happened.

That's THEIR story, and in the true style of DENIAL, they have no problem sticking to it.

:serious:
I guess ppl like to bury their heads in the sand.pretend its not there and it will go away mentality.

[gramvof14]

:000a1: Got to go for a while. DH will probably want supper (darn him). Fun to chat with you all. Later.
Catch you later Cat:happy0207:

[lyndawitha"y]

I wonder why the sister changed her mind about testifing against her brother
she has to be grossed out after hearing what he did and his obsession with his boyscout.:shock:

Personally, I think Laura has been caught between a "Rock and a Hard Place"..but in her heart of hearts she KNOWS..Either way she loses..and wants to protect her brother even though he's a scoundrel!

LMS:022:

[gramvof14]

Personally, I think Laura has been caught between a "Rock and a Hard Place"..but in her heart of hearts she KNOWS..Either way she loses..and wants to protect her brother even though he's a scoundrel!

LMS:022:
Yes I suppose your right, very sad though.

[gramvof14]

Yes I suppose your right, very sad though.

[gramvof14]

oops I don't know what I didbut it was posted twice

[gramvof14]

Is anyone going to watch the NONA DIRKSMEYER story on 48 hours tonight???

[DeeJay]

Well darn!! http://bestsmileys.com/frustrated/7.gif

I thought there would be a few videos from yesterday on youtube today.

[gramvof14]

Well darn!! http://bestsmileys.com/frustrated/7.gif

I thought there would be a few videos from yesterday on youtube today.
OH I am surprised there not.:shock:

[gramvof14]

Gee DeeJay I think everyone left us:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[DeeJay]

OH I am surprised there not.:shock:

I've been checking throughout the day since last thing last night. I was SO COUNTING on videos of what I missed yesterday! Nuttin' new there!
http://bestsmileys.com/crying/9.gif

[DeeJay]

Gee DeeJay I think everyone left us:1187603408.CR.Mothe


They don't wuv us.
http://bestsmileys.com/crying/5.gif

[gramvof14]

They don't wuv us.
http://bestsmileys.com/crying/5.gif


I guess not.


http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/thk_crying4.gif

[girlfriday]

my youngest son would kill me if he knew that i said this... (he's 22 now) but i can recall an incident when he was vewy vewy wittle where he did a little "smear" job (yuck!!) it DOES happen!! lol

I'm with you on this. If I was the mom, I sure wouldn't mention it. I'm thinking that is quite unusual behaviour for a child of 4 years old. I'm betting he was quite a handful (excuse the pun :puke: )

JMO

[gramvof14]

DeeJay are you going to watch the NONA DIRKSMYER story on 48 hours tonight???

[DeeJay]

DeeJay are you going to watch the NONA DIRKSMYER story on 48 hours tonight???

Time & channel?

[gramvof14]

Time & channel?
here it is on at 9:00 est on CBS

[DeeJay]

here it is on at 9:00 est on CBS

That would be 6 o'clock PST....but likely will be on at 9 o'clock here, too.

[gramvof14]

Girlfriday I don't think she said her son was 4 years old.

[girlfriday]

Exactly right. Of all things to talk about. Maybe if Mark's sista was trying to take care of 2 four year old boys; ... snipped.

I got the age from this post and an earlier one of someone who saw that testimony. I missed it. But maybe they were both just guessing.

Still, if 4 was accurate - it's pretty unusual behaviour.

[gramvof14]

I got the age from this post and an earlier one of someone who saw that testimony. I missed it. But maybe they were both just guessing.

Still, if 4 was accurate - it's pretty unusual behaviour.
The Problem is Julie is not here to say that never happened and my feelings are the sister is reaching for something to say about Julie that is not nice and is having trouble finding anything also Julie took care of other children not just the sisters.

[Cat]

Gram, thanks for posting that about "48 Hours," because it usually comes on at 9 central, and tonight it is 8:00. I would have missed it if it weren't for you.

[StoneFox]

The Problem is Julie is not here to say that never happened and my feelings are the sister is reaching for something to say about Julie that is not nice and is having trouble finding anything also Julie took care of other children not just the sisters.

Hi Gram and Everybody :happy0207:

Did the sister say these things about Julie in the prelim hearings? Isn't that when she gave statements previously?

[bambam]

hey everybody....wasssssssuuuupp???

[girlfriday]

The Problem is Julie is not here to say that never happened and my feelings are the sister is reaching for something to say about Julie that is not nice and is having trouble finding anything also Julie took care of other children not just the sisters.

Sorry, I think you have misunderstood me. I believe it happened - although probably not the way the sister recounts it. I'm defending Julie when I say this is unusual behaviour of a 4 year old. That kid must have been a real difficult child to look after. Probably would have been the last straw for me if I was babysitting. The child was not likely 'calmly' doing this. He was probably having an all out fit or some kind of other strange and concerning behaviour. I would have called the mom too. If the child were in JK the school would have called the parent to come immediately. I think calling the mom was perfectly the right thing to do.

I'm sure the sister has dramatized it to make Julie look bad. But, to me, she just makes me think of what kind of a brat her kid must have been.

JMO

[Cat]

Hi StoneFox and Bambam. I am going to be leaving in a few to watch "48 Hours." About the beauty queen.

[Cat]

Sorry, I think you have misunderstood me. I believe it happened - although probably not the way the sister recounts it. I'm defending Julie when I say this is unusual behaviour of a 4 year old. That kid must have been a real difficult child to look after. Probably would have been the last straw for me if I was babysitting for her. The child was not likely 'calmly' doing this. He was probably having an all out fit or some kind of other strange and concerning behaviour.

I'm sure the sister has dramatized it to make Julie look bad. But, to me, she just makes me think of what kind of a brat her kid must have been.

JMO

Similar to her brother (as a child) maybe. :confused:

[gramvof14]

Gram, thanks for posting that about "48 Hours," because it usually comes on at 9 central, and tonight it is 8:00. I would have missed it if it weren't for you.
your welcome Cat I didn't know if anyone wanted to watch it but thought I would remind ppl if they did.:love0085:

[Cat]

your welcome Cat I didn't know if anyone wanted to watch it but thought I would remind ppl if they did.:love0085:

I had it on my mental list, but didn't think to check the time until you posted that. :love0085: I was telling my husband at supper how similar our weather is. It was really funny, here we were complaining about winter, and on our local news, they had a story of people complaining about the weather. :s1gyahoo:

[bambam]

Hi StoneFox and Bambam. I am going to be leaving in a few to watch "48 Hours." About the beauty queen.

ooh me too!! i love 48 hours!!!

[gramvof14]

Sorry, I think you have misunderstood me. I believe it happened - although probably not the way the sister recounts it. I'm defending Julie when I say this is unusual behaviour of a 4 year old. That kid must have been a real difficult child to look after. Probably would have been the last straw for me if I was babysitting. The child was not likely 'calmly' doing this. He was probably having an all out fit or some kind of other strange and concerning behaviour. I would have called the mom too. If the child were in JK the school would have called the parent to come immediately. I think calling the mom was perfectly the right thing to do.

I'm sure the sister has dramatized it to make Julie look bad. But, to me, she just makes me think of what kind of a brat her kid must have been.

JMO
OH I really didn't know if you were for or against Julie I was just saying how I felt about the sister,.Didn't take offense to what you said.:happy0207:

[Cat]

Bye, see you all tomorrow or Monday. I can actually pay attention to the Jensen trial on Monday.

[StoneFox]

Hi StoneFox and Bambam. I am going to be leaving in a few to watch "48 Hours." About the beauty queen.

The beauty queen?

I guess I'll have to tune in too, so I can keep up with the conversation. :basic45:

[girlfriday]

Similar to her brother (as a child) maybe. :confused:

No, I think at that age he was probably just drawing crayon pictures of 'winkies'...LOL

J/K JMO

[gramvof14]

ooh me too!! i love 48 hours!!!
oh bam you are so funny, you keep changing you avatar. I am going to watch the beauty queen also and NONA was very beautiful.May she rest in piece:1222423:

[gramvof14]

The beauty queen?

I guess I'll have to tune in too, so I can keep up with the conversation. :basic45:
its about the murder of NONA DERKSMYER

[StoneFox]

its about the murder of NONA DERKSMYER

I don't think I am familiar with that one. I'll watch too, maybe it will ring a bell once I start watching.

[gramvof14]

Bye, see you all tomorrow or Monday. I can actually pay attention to the Jensen trial on Monday.
OH they are doing the missing baby first they got it ass backwards my tivo guide says its the beauty queen jeeesss so the one about NONA is after this one 10:00est.

[gramvof14]

I don't think I am familiar with that one. I'll watch too, maybe it will ring a bell once I start watching.
Well read my post to CAT they changed it .its not on till 10:00 est

[StoneFox]

Well read my post to CAT they changed it .its not on till 10:00 est

:happy0207: Thanks Gram

[gramvof14]

:happy0207: Thanks Gram
Your welcome:love0085:

[gramvof14]

If that were my baby there would be no consoling me I would go insane with grief
they would have to drug me.I would absolutly go nuts.but everybody copes their own way I can't say one way or another if they had something to do with her disappearance.

[jcc]

andersson, that is a great post. Everything you say is true. Especially severely dysfunctional families live like this. There are alcoholics in my family, so I know how it works. Al-Anon taught me a lot.


I thought so, too. Very insightful.

[RayStar]

Lyndawitha Y thank you for a great post. I did read some of the other posters posts and was shaking my head in disbelief. Your post makes so much sense.

I have not read all of the thread as I was out all day. LOL losing at the casino.:puke: Back to reading. THANKS

[gramvof14]

Raystar everyone is watching 48 hours the missing baby from FLA and at 10:00 est NONA DERKSMYER

[RayStar]

Thanks gram I'm watching L&O I love it. I'll check out Nona later. We have great posters here and I thank everyone for keeping all of us informed.

[gramvof14]

Thanks gram I'm watching L&O I love it. I'll check out Nona later. We have great posters here and I thank everyone for keeping all of us informed.
your welcome I also agree about the posters I have my laptop in the livingroom so I can watch and also type every so often. have a good night:love0085: gramv

[spunkylubbock]

Thanks gram for the heads up on 48 hours & the show on Nona. This is the first I've heard about this case. What are your thoughts at this point?

[gramvof14]

Thanks gram for the heads up on 48 hours & the show on Nona. This is the first I've heard about this case. What are your thoughts at this point?
I think he did it and he is going to get away with it.he flunked the polygraph and his finger prints on the lamp.
What do you think????

[spunkylubbock]

I think he did it and he is going to get away with it.he flunked the polygraph and his finger prints on the lamp.
What do you think????

Wow! Does this whole case hinge on one's perception of "tacky"?

[spunkylubbock]

I think he did it and he is going to get away with it.he flunked the polygraph and his finger prints on the lamp.
What do you think????

OMG! The cellphone! How stupid was that?

[gramvof14]

OMG! The cellphone! How stupid was that?
Why are so many LE so stupid

[gramvof14]

It is snowing like crazy and some more tomorrow and more tuesday into wednesday grrrrrrrrr
I think he did it.

[spunkylubbock]

I think he did it and he is going to get away with it.he flunked the polygraph and his finger prints on the lamp.
What do you think????
The problem with shows like this is that you don't get all the information & evidence......the shows are orchestrated for ratings, not to give the viewer as much info as possible.

I tend to think he did it. But it the jurors weren't convinced. I'd sure like to know if the blood on the light bulb was wet or dry!

And the fact that LE didn't test the condom wrapper for DNA.....why didn't they at least try? That might have cleared up a question there but I tend to go along with what her mother said, that it confirms his motive.

[bambam]

omg!! vinnie is filling in for ashleigh on hollywood heat and it's blowing my mind!! nooooooo vinnie! don't start doin the tabloid thang!!

[bambam]

The problem with shows like this is that you don't get all the information & evidence......the shows are orchestrated for ratings, not to give the viewer as much info as possible.

I tend to think he did it. But it the jurors weren't convinced. I'd sure like to know if the blood on the light bulb was wet or dry!

And the fact that LE didn't test the condom wrapper for DNA.....why didn't they at least try? That might have cleared up a question there but I tend to go along with what her mother said, that it confirms his motive.


didn't they say the new dna evidence was NOT him??

[spunkylubbock]

omg!! vinnie is filling in for ashleigh on hollywood heat and it's blowing my mind!! nooooooo vinnie! don't start doin the tabloid thang!!

Maybe he just wants to expand his resume.:shock: He may need to be looking for a new job soon if ttv keeps going the way:z0tdntknw: it has.

[Alibar]

Why are so many LE so stupid


Because they are from the general population which is comprised of a high percentage of ppl who aren't too bright. LOL

[spunkylubbock]

didn't they say the new dna evidence was NOT him??

Yes, they said DNA had been identified in the past few days.

[gramvof14]

Why would he do mouth to mouth resuscitation when her body is cold and he said he checked her pulse and there wasn't any.
he flunked the polygraph
his finger prints on bulb
he is guilty
LE messed up by not taking cel phone.
No Justice for NONA RIP:1222423:
he will have to face his maker some day.

[spunkylubbock]

Because they are from the general population which is comprised of a high percentage of ppl who aren't too bright. LOL

Boy, you got that right! And I always wonder how competent LE in small towns is.

[gramvof14]

Yes, they said DNA had been identified in the past few days.
yes but she was not sexually assaulted I just think that was the other boy friend. Time will tell.

[spunkylubbock]

Why would he do mouth to mouth resuscitation when her body is cold and he said he checked her pulse and there wasn't any.
he flunked the polygraph
his finger prints on bulb
he is guilty
LE messed up by not taking cel phone.
No Justice for NONA RIP:1222423:
he will have to face his maker some day.
I think you're right. Think about how you would react if you found someone you loved in a situation like that. No pulse & cold. You might grab them & cry & hold them, I don't think you would get on top of them. Even if you're gonna try mouth to mouth resuscitation, you don't get on top of them.

Also, I've heard something about how killers sometime set up for the body to be found when witnesses are present.

[Cat]

didn't they say the new dna evidence was NOT him??

They did. I watched as he spoke, and I think he was telling the truth. I will be interested to see if they ever charge someone else for this. I do believe the jury did what they thought was right.

[Alibar]

Boy, you got that right! And I always wonder how competent LE in small towns is.

I grew up in a small town... 3,500 pop., and as a teen, my friends and I didn't have a high opinion of LE. I don't think high caliber people applied for the most likely low paying jobs.

[shortcake]

I just saw the very end. I was just thinking that if there is other dna, then shouldn't this person have willfully come forward to clear his name before now--if he has nothing to hide.

[spunkylubbock]

yes but she was not sexually assaulted I just think that was the other boy friend. Time will tell.

The question to be answered is if the DNA belongs to the other boyfriend. If it does, that points to the theory of motive. If it is mystery DNA, someone Nona didn't know, well that points elsewhere.

[shortcake]

As far as who would sit on a cold body with no pulse, I would bet MJ would. JJ was almost to that point anyway, when he sat on her...the jerk!

[gramvof14]

I think you're right. Think about how you would react if you found someone you loved in a situation like that. No pulse & cold. You might grab them & cry & hold them, I don't think you would get on top of them. Even if you're gonna try mouth to mouth resuscitation, you don't get on top of them.

Also, I've heard something about how killers sometime set up for the body to be found when witnesses are present.

yes that is the other thing he brought his mother and a friend what a coincidence and no sign of breaking and entering.

[spunkylubbock]

I just saw the very end. I was just thinking that if there is other dna, then shouldn't this person have willfully come forward to clear his name before now--if he has nothing to hide.
You would think so but but I do think a lot of guys would be concerned that they would become a suspect.

What I'd like to know is the details behind what the detective said, that all leads led back to.....I forget, what was his name? I know LE can screw up but they also do get the right guy most of the time.

[gramvof14]

The question to be answered is if the DNA belongs to the other boyfriend. If it does, that points to the theory of motive. If it is mystery DNA, someone Nona didn't know, well that points elsewhere.

If it was someone NONA didn't know why no sexual assault, and if it was an unknown how did he get in no break in.

[spunkylubbock]

yes that is the other thing he brought his mother and a friend what a coincidence and no sign of breaking and entering.

Yeah, didn't that happen on Columbo quite often? And I've heard of it happening in real life cases too. It's always when someone close to the victim is the killer.

[gramvof14]

You would think so but but I do think a lot of guys would be concerned that they would become a suspect.

What I'd like to know is the details behind what the detective said, that all leads led back to.....I forget, what was his name? I know LE can screw up but they also do get the right guy most of the time.
Kevin

[spunkylubbock]

If it was someone NONA didn't know why no sexual assault, and if it was an unknown how did he get in no break in.
I was thinking about there being no sexual assault. But had she had sexual relations recently? Sounds like that is possible if a condom was found in her apt. Consensual sex with another boyfriend points to a motive for Kevin.

That's why I don't like shows like this. There is so much evidence left out. Those of us who are used to perusing as much evidence as we can are left without all we need to know to put all the pieces together.

[spunkylubbock]

Kevin

Thanks!

[spunkylubbock]

As far as who would sit on a cold body with no pulse, I would bet MJ would. JJ was almost to that point anyway, when he sat on her...the jerk!
You have a good point!

[ja77]

I agree that JJ probably CLEANED it up. Why would anyone leave it there? BTW... it would take 30 minutes to get from Abbott where she works to PP, and about 30 minutes to get from Racine to PP. She said both she and Mark arrived at the same time.

It might have been over reactive of Julie to call them both home from work over such an incident, but at the same time... trying to watch a bunch of kids running and back and forth around a pool, and clean up poop... might have put her over the edge in the moment. I just think it is a rather silly thing to have brought up, but I suppose the defense was trying to show JJ could "lose it" on occasion. What mother doesn't?

And, I think that Laura overreacted as well, to storm out with her child in tow never to return. But, nobody likes to have their child accused of doing something wrong.

What I really took offense to was having both the pastor and Laura recount the medical crisis JJ mother had at the rehearsal dinner due to alcohol withdrawal. I think that is just very very low. My mother was an alcoholic, and it is just such a complex disease and to reduce it to some incident of gossip is something I personally took offense to. Alcoholism touches so many~ probably everyone knows someone affected~ and I'm just not sure how that sat with the jury. To me, it was a dirty dirty tactic, and there is another word I'm thinking of and I can't put my finger on it~ that would describe it more accurately.

Well said and especially the mentioned on the poop incidence. I think JJ was tired of watching her kid and probably exaggerated the extent of the mess. I know their have been times that I have phoned my DH and said that "You need to come home right now, because these kids are driving me batty." I also think this bashing of JJ is not going to go over well with the jury. Albee better tread lightly.:022:

[shortcake]

You have a good point!

With your avatar I always think I'm getting ready to read somthing funny. I just love that lil puppy.

[Alibar]

My brother's wife is a good friend, but, if she told me she thought he was trying to kill her, I might ask him about what she said. I wonder if Laura said anything to MJ about what JJ told her?

[spunkylubbock]

With your avatar I always think I'm getting ready to read somthing funny. I just love that lil puppy.
Thanks! I love this little guy too. When I went to the avatar site to find a good new avatar, I figured I'd have to look at about 20 pages. But this little guy was on the first page......I figured it couldn't get much better! He's kinda like the jovial counterpart to Cornblossom's cute kitty drumming his paws!

[shortcake]

Well said and especially the mentioned on the poop incidence. I think JJ was tired of watching her kid and probably exaggerated the extent of the mess. I know their have been times that I have phoned my DH and said that "You need to come home right now, because these kids are driving me batty." I also think this bashing of JJ is not going to go over well with the jury. Albee better tread lightly.:022:

You know, I'm thinking the sister said she herself called Mark, after Julie called her. Sounds like she didn't like what her son was being accused of to me. You know, like she might have been the one with an attitude. And considering the hidden anger you could hear in her voice on the stand, that is not hard to believe.

[spunkylubbock]

My brother's wife is a good friend, but, if she told me she thought he was trying to kill her, I might ask him about what she said. I wonder if Laura said anything to MJ about what JJ told her?
That's a good question & I've wondered that myself. It might depend who Laura felt closer to. She's saying she was Julie's best friend but she still thought Julie was wacky. I would imagine that Albee won't get close to that in direct. He wouldn't want to open that door for Jambois.

[shortcake]

Thanks! I love this little guy too. When I went to the avatar site to find a good new avatar, I figured I'd have to look at about 20 pages. But this little guy was on the first page......I figured it couldn't get much better! He's kinda like the jovial counterpart to Cornblossom's cute kitty drumming his paws!

The one that say's whenever Corny posts, "I'm waiting...!"

[ja77]

You know, I'm thinking the sister said she herself called Mark, after Julie called her. Sounds like she didn't like what her son was being accused of to me. You know, like she might have been the one with an attitude. And considering the hidden anger you could hear in her voice on the stand, that is hard to believe.


Yeah, I hope Jambois jumps all over her. Especially since she claims to be "her little sister" and "my best friend". Please, Please, if I ever have a best friend like this please shoot me!!!:francis::duh:

[gramvof14]

Well said and especially the mentioned on the poop incidence. I think JJ was tired of watching her kid and probably exaggerated the extent of the mess. I know their have been times that I have phoned my DH and said that "You need to come home right now, because these kids are driving me batty." I also think this bashing of JJ is not going to go over well with the jury. Albee better tread lightly.:022:
First offwhat did the mother having to go to the hospital and couldn't attend the wedding have to do with MJ murdering JJ second off how do we know that the sister is telling the truth about the poop thing it all seems kind of petty if that is all she can come up with, that was so bad about JULIE

[Alibar]

That's a good question & I've wondered that myself. It might depend who Laura felt closer to. She's saying she was Julie's best friend but she still thought Julie was wacky. I would imagine that Albee won't get close to that in direct. He wouldn't want to open that door for Jambois.


Sure wouldn't want Albee to do anything which might help Jambois. LOL

[shortcake]

Sure wouldn't want Albee to do anything which might help Jambois. LOL

Anyone else here remember "Carlton the doorman" on "Rhoda"? We've got Albee the doorman, and hopefully he'll continue to play the part.

[gramvof14]

Anyone else here remember "Carlton the doorman" on "Rhoda"? We've got Albee the doorman, and hopefully he'll continue to play the part.
Yes I remember the doorman that was a good show.I hope Albee will continue to open the door.
Well I have to go to bed you all have a good night. Catch you tomorrow.:love0085: gramv

[shortcake]

Yes I remember the doorman that was a good show.I hope Albee will continue to open the door.
Well I have to go to bed you all have a good night. Catch you tomorrow.:love0085: gramv
:happy0207:nite gram!

:happy0207:nite all! time for me to close down too!

[Alibar]

Anyone else here remember "Carlton the doorman" on "Rhoda"? We've got Albee the doorman, and hopefully he'll continue to play the part.


:022:

[Alibar]

G'night, y'all, I'm stopping also. See ya tomorrow!

[ja77]

First offwhat did the mother having to go to the hospital and couldn't attend the wedding have to do with MJ murdering JJ second off how do we know that the sister is telling the truth about the poop thing it all seems kind of petty if that is all she can come up with, that was so bad about JULIE

Good points Gram! I was just so angry about them bashing JJ that I didn't even go into how "flimsy" the incidents were and how they didn't have anything to do with MJ KILLING JJ. :zm10::hifive:

[ja77]

Good points Gram! I was just so angry about them bashing JJ that I didn't even go into how "flimsy" the incidents were and how they didn't have anything to do with MJ KILLING JJ. :zm10::hifive:

Well I most be writing to myself so Goodnight!!:0012:

[gramvof14]

Well it looks like I am the first up this morning. we got more snow last night and we have snow squalls and gusts of winds 40 to 60 miles a minute comming this afternoon, I think CAT is sending her weather over here and I don't want it.hahaha Well good morning everyone, coffee??:mornincoffee:

[kellabeck]

Good morning! I've got good news for Gram and others in the frigid midwest: Arctic Blast set to hit my area today, sending temps plummeting, with nasty winds. Small dog alert!

Meanwhile, I am watching my TiVo'd 48 HRS, a show I do enjoy regularly. And I see already from the boards, unfortunately, the denoument. I know how it turns out before it ends. Darn it!

I need to know more before I know how I feel about this case.

Meanwhile, I happened to be catch a few minutes yesterday of a Forensic Files about the murder of Edward Post's wife in a St. Louis hotel bathtub "drowned." I noted one witness' saying that the widower SKIPPED out of the funeral home and she had never seen a grown man SKIP!

This case was familiar and I wanted to write down the name of the author who was commenting. In the process I pushed the wrong button on my remote and changed the channel, so now it was all lost. I hate when that happens!

Just having finished the book about Tim Boczkowski who lost TWO wives to "drownings" I was particularly interested. Also I am always interested in the unusual ways in which KILLERS "grieve" for their victims. Which is to say, they DON'T. They are in fact relieved and happy.

So they skip out of the funeral home. They high-five their fathers and act like they are at cocktail parties. They trade their wives' car in immediately and try to sell the house furnished. They trash all her stuff. They enter wet T-shirt contests and snog a bunch of folks.

They buy Rolexes and expensive suits and restaurants and Porsches, they wear a gaudy leather motorcycle jacket with an eagle spread across the back to the graveside service, and announce to the dead wife's sister that he plans to remarry.

That's not how innocent people act. It's how the killers call attention to themselves, unwittingly.

And I am SICK of hearing how "everyone grieves differently." There are two way, to my mind: the really aggrieved are devastated. Killers celebrate and only pretend to grieve. And since they are often sociopaths, they can only emulate the behavior of real people and they often fail and subconsciously shoe their real feelings.

[gramvof14]

Sorry About that Kella but we all were watching it together. did you Tivo the first 48 hours about the missing baby??? Morning:mornincoffee:

[bigkitty]

Good morning! I've got good news for Gram and others in the frigid midwest: Arctic Blast set to hit my area today, sending temps plummeting, with nasty winds. Small dog alert!

Meanwhile, I am watching my TiVo'd 48 HRS, a show I do enjoy regularly. And I see already from the boards, unfortunately, the denoument. I know how it turns out before it ends. Darn it!

I need to know more before I know how I feel about this case.

Meanwhile, I happened to be catch a few minutes yesterday of a Forensic Files about the murder of Edward Post's wife in a St. Louis hotel bathtub "drowned." I noted one witness' saying that the widower SKIPPED out of the funeral home and she had never seen a grown man SKIP!

This case was familiar and I wanted to write down the name of the author who was commenting. In the process I pushed the wrong button on my remote and changed the channel, so now it was all lost. I hate when that happens!

Just having finished the book about Tim Boczkowski who lost TWO wives to "drownings" I was particularly interested. Also I am always interested in the unusual ways in which KILLERS "grieve" for their victims. Which is to say, they DON'T. They are in fact relieved and happy.

So they skip out of the funeral home. They high-five their fathers and act like they are at cocktail parties. They trade their wives' car in immediately and try to sell the house furnished. They trash all her stuff. They enter wet T-shirt contests and snog a bunch of folks.

They buy Rolexes and expensive suits and restaurants and Porsches, they wear a gaudy leather motorcycle jacket with an eagle spread across the back to the graveside service, and announce to the dead wife's sister that he plans to remarry.

That's not how innocent people act. It's how the killers call attention to themselves, unwittingly.

And I am SICK of hearing how "everyone grieves differently." There are two way, to my mind: the really aggrieved are devastated. Killers celebrate and only pretend to grieve. And since they are often sociopaths, they can only emulate the behavior of real people and they often fail and subconsciously shoe their real feelings.

Good morning! We are neighbors.:howdy: I live in Staten Island.

By the way, I totally agree with your post.

jmo

[bigkitty]

Good morning all!:0012:

I can't wait to hear the rest of MJ's sister's testimony on Monday. I think we might see alot of doors being flung wide open!:22wink:

jmo

[gramvof14]

Good morning! We are neighbors.:howdy: I live in Staten Island.

By the way, I totally agree with your post.

jmo
Morning Kitty I hope Jambois goes after that sister tomorrow I think she is lying.

[bigkitty]

Morning Kitty I hope Jambois goes after that sister tomorrow I think she is lying.

You know he will! Go get him Tiger!:s1gyahoo:

Anyway, I will be back later hopefully, my son is staring at me, demanding the use of the what he thinks is HIS computer.:D

Have a great day everybody!:0012:

jmo

[gramvof14]

You know he will! Go get him Tiger!:s1gyahoo:

Anyway, I will be back later hopefully, my son is staring at me, demanding the use of the what he thinks is HIS computer.:D

Have a great day everybody!:0012:

jmo
OK Bigkitty have a good day.:basic45:

[sciencegirl]

Morning folks :0012:

We're in the heart of the Big Chill this morning and dang is it cold:lex_10:

I can't tell you how sick I am of these defense attorneys trashing not only the victim but their families. I'm also ashamed of that Pastor who came in to testify about Julie's mothher being taken to the hospital. Though he didn't mention alcohol; the sister sure made sure everyone knew that she was taken to the hospital due to alcohol withdrawals. If Albee keeps bringing on witnesses like these; I'm sure the jury will see it for what it is.... Throwing everything at the wall to see if it sticks.

Also, did anyone else catch this. When Albee asked the Pastor "so you married Julie and Mark", the Pastor said "No, I blessed their marriage". What the heck was that all about. He either married them or he didn't.

[gramvof14]

Morning folks :0012:

We're in the heart of the Big Chill this morning and dang is it cold:lex_10:

I can't tell you how sick I am of these defense attorneys trashing not only the victim but their families. I'm also ashamed of that Pastor who came in to testify about Julie's mothher being taken to the hospital. Though he didn't mention alcohol; the sister sure made sure everyone knew that she was taken to the hospital due to alcohol withdrawals. If Albee keeps bringing on witnesses like these; I'm sure the jury will see it for what it is.... Throwing everything at the wall to see if it sticks.

Also, did anyone else catch this. When Albee asked the Pastor "so you married Julie and Mark", the Pastor said "No, I blessed their marriage". What the heck was that all about. He either married them or he didn't.morning SG hope you are feeling well today. And yes I caught that also ,don't know what the heck that ment.

[gramvof14]

I got up this morning took my shower, fed Cody and let him out,put in a load of wash,scrubbed up my stove and counters.Wanted to get everything done today so I can watch the trial tomorrow, of course I am not addicted. hahaha My Son will be over later to snowblow me out, again.:mornincoffee:

[sciencegirl]

I got up this morning took my shower, fed Cody and let him out,put in a load of wash,scrubbed up my stove and counters.Wanted to get everything done today so I can watch the trial tomorrow, of course I am not addicted. hahaha My Son will be over later to snowblow me out, again.:mornincoffee:

And, that's your 50 year old son, right? Bless him for doing that. Is he single???:girl_haha:

[gramvof14]

And, that's your 50 year old son, right? Bless him for doing that. Is he single???:girl_haha:
Yes he is the oldest of my children and lives about 5 minutes from me,and no he is married with 3 children twins a boy and a girl they are 21 and a girl 16.:love0085:

[Baranis]

The Movie Gaslight is on right now on TCM[Tuner Classic Movies] Direct TV channel 256