12 Feb Tuesday discussion

[kellabeck]

:mornincoffee:

Suiting up, getting ready to walk my dog in Central Park as the sun comes up, so I expect to find some others here when I return!

This morning I was thinking how weak the defense looks and the effect that has on the jury. Mmmm. Not good.

And I am also really really looking forward to Jambois' CA which I expect will be passionate and full of detail and fury!!

I cannot wait. I am so sure of this conviction. What can Albee do with his detestable client and a mountain of evidence against him?

[NavyMom58]

:mornincoffee:

Suiting up, getting ready to walk my dog in Central Park as the sun comes up, so I expect to find some others here when I return!

This morning I was thinking how weak the defense looks and the effect that has on the jury. Mmmm. Not good.

And I am also really really looking forward to Jambois' CA which I expect will be passionate and full of detail and fury!!

I cannot wait. I am so sure of this conviction. What can Albee do with his detestable client and a mountain of evidence against him?

Good morning! I agree, this defense does look mighty weak! Looking forward to Jambois closing too,But I sure dread Albees droning on and on....

[gramvof14]

Morning Kella and everyone :mornincoffee: They were just showing Wis.weather very cold but they didn't say anything about snow so I am sure there will be court today.Now On the other hand we are are going to get 6 to 8 inches starting at 7 tonight and into tomorrow grrrrrrr.
MY feelings about the trial so far, Albee hasn't shown me anything to make me think his defendant is NG, if anything he looks more guilty than ever

[kellabeck]

I'm back! It was cold but beautiful.

I want to repeat something I wrote near the end of yesterday's thread. It was my reaction to the testimony of Klug's disgruntled employee.

I understand that she said that Ed Klug informed them of JJ's death by saying "JJ committed suicide."

I am astonished by this. Since the line that Mark Jensen was trying to sell in the immediate aftermath of Julie's death (which would include the time of Klug's "statement") was that she died of a "drug interaction" (witness the piece of paper he was showing ppl at her wake) and the suicide theory was not developed for MONTHS, how on earth could Ed Klug have said "Julie Jensen committed suicide."

It's ridiculous and I am sure that the jury received it with total skepticism and will reject it totally.

And how does that affect the rest of the defense? It's weak, to start, and if Albee is willing to put on someone with an agenda so obviously fabricating, what does that say about the rest? When I say it's NG, I don't mean "not guilty."

And speaking of having an agenda and a willingness to lie, there's Mark's sister.

This, folks, is a ship that is taking on water and listing badly.

[gramvof14]

I'm back! It was cold but beautiful.

I want to repeat something I wrote near the end of yesterday's thread. It was my reaction to the testimony of Klug's disgruntled employee.

I understand that she said that Ed Klug informed them of JJ's death by saying "JJ committed suicide."

I am astonished by this. Since the line that Mark Jensen was trying to sell in the immediate aftermath of Julie's death (which would include the time of Klug's "statement") was that she died of a "drug interaction" (witness the piece of paper he was showing ppl at her wake) and the suicide theory was not developed for MONTHS, how on earth could Ed Klug have said "Julie Jensen committed suicide."

It's ridiculous and I am sure that the jury received it with total skepticism and will reject it totally.

And how does that affect the rest of the defense? It's weak, to start, and if Albee is willing to put on someone with an agenda so obviously fabricating, what does that say about the rest? When I say it's NG, I don't mean "not guilty."

And speaking of having an agenda and a willingness to lie, there's Mark's sister.

This, folks, is a ship that is taking on water and listing badly.
Kella I said yesterday the sister wouldn't look at her brother when Jambois was asking her questions about what kind of father Mark was and she acted like she was on meds. Someone told me Jean said she won't look at her brother also.To me that is a sign she is Lying.

[NavyMom58]

Yes his sister was lying, everytime she answered a question, she looked down into her lap. She reminded me so much of how Pie testified in the PS trial!

[kellabeck]

Defense attorney Craig Albee’s opening statement, of course, portrayed Julie Jensen as a wife who suffered from depression and was suicidal. To his credit, though, Albee’s opening statement was slightly more visually-stimulating. Albee had poster boards of notes and statements, and a beaker of a greenish liquid we think we ethylene glycol. All of it made for what our photographer Sean Krajacic described as a “compelling” opening statement.


Brought that snippet over from the link thread. This is how the KN reporter described the OS by Albee (I missed the beg. of the trial, came in during Klug's testimony.)

If this photog was correct and Albee was indeed "compelling" (no surprise he had a board of statements) then I think the reality of the evidence presented by the defense is all the weaker and anticlimatic.

I've been saying for a long while that I was convinced that MJ would absolutely not testify. But I think there is a chance of it now. A slight chance, but maybe a Hail Mary. Albee may be reassessing the state of his case and concluding that the only chance MJ has for even a hung jury is to testify and reach that one lunatic on the jury who would be sympathetic to this killer.

It's true that he is typical of the kind of defendant who ordinarily would be a candidate to take the stand: no criminal record to bring up, well-educated. But he does have baggage.

It will be so interesting if Albee takes the chance and puts him on to try to humanize him.

[dojewo]

Good Morning fellow posters, I'm not sure if Elkhorn is expecting more snow today but we are suppose to get 3 to 5 more inches. Right now our total is 68 inches and we don't have much room to put another snowfalls worth. I truthfully think we will fly thru the defenses withnesses and before you know it CA time.

[KellBell]

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Good morning everyone!!! Hope you are all safe, dry and warm!

I am looking forward to the witnesses today. I can use some entertainment in my life.

[KellBell]

I'm back! It was cold but beautiful.

I want to repeat something I wrote near the end of yesterday's thread. It was my reaction to the testimony of Klug's disgruntled employee.

I understand that she said that Ed Klug informed them of JJ's death by saying "JJ committed suicide."

I am astonished by this. Since the line that Mark Jensen was trying to sell in the immediate aftermath of Julie's death (which would include the time of Klug's "statement") was that she died of a "drug interaction" (witness the piece of paper he was showing ppl at her wake) and the suicide theory was not developed for MONTHS, how on earth could Ed Klug have said "Julie Jensen committed suicide."

It's ridiculous and I am sure that the jury received it with total skepticism and will reject it totally.

And how does that affect the rest of the defense? It's weak, to start, and if Albee is willing to put on someone with an agenda so obviously fabricating, what does that say about the rest? When I say it's NG, I don't mean "not guilty."

And speaking of having an agenda and a willingness to lie, there's Mark's sister.

This, folks, is a ship that is taking on water and listing badly.

Wow Kella! You are so right! I knew I didn't believe her but that was just because of the way she came across. But now you bring up such a good point! Makes me sure she was sought out and coached as to what to say. Grr. and the defense complains about the snitches...geesh.

[sciencegirl]

Good morning everyone :basic45:

Hope everyone is ready for another bad defense :faintTHUD: day. I'm stunned at how little the defense has. Maybe that's why Albee has so many objections and mistrials put on the record. He knows he's going to lose; and the best he can do for his client; is get a new trial with one of the objections or mistrials he has made.

That being said; I am so sick and tired of being cold. This has to be the worst Winter on record for us in a long long time.

[dojewo]

Good morning everyone :basic45:

Hope everyone is ready for another bad defense :faintTHUD: day. I'm stunned at how little the defense has. Maybe that's why Albee has so many objections and mistrials put on the record. He knows he's going to lose; and the best he can do for his client; is get a new trial with one of the objections or mistrials he has made.

That being said; I am so sick and tired of being cold. This has to be the worst Winter on record for us in a long long time.
I Sooooo agree with you SG, I don't think the defense has much under their sleeves and I'm also tired of the cold and snow.

[JONOTWO]

I am trying to think of a good defense witness. Considering believability, knowledge, demeanor, presence of mind, likeability, and no bias, no one comes to mind. My best guess is Albee is going for the ''Mack'' defense- incompetent defense counsel, and
doing a masterful job of it!

[wi_twin_mom]

Good morning everyone :basic45:

Hope everyone is ready for another bad defense :faintTHUD: day. I'm stunned at how little the defense has. Maybe that's why Albee has so many objections and mistrials put on the record. He knows he's going to lose; and the best he can do for his client; is get a new trial with one of the objections or mistrials he has made.

That being said; I am so sick and tired of being cold. This has to be the worst Winter on record for us in a long long time.

Morning everyone! Notice I didn't say "good", it's snowing again!!!! :puke:

JMO, Albee is doing a "great job" with no evidence to work with. He is like a bird, puffing up his feathers to make himself look bigger to defend his client. He doesn't have the claws (evidence) to defend MJ so it looks like he is trying, almost too hard!!

[vintage_rose]

Good Morning everyond!
Does anyone know what the penalty for lying on the witness stand is? Does it vary in degree?

[kellabeck]

"Mark Jensen as likeable, innocent guy" = "bleach to revive pregnant GF you just killed"

both LOSERS

[kellabeck]

Good Morning everyond!
Does anyone know what the penalty for lying on the witness stand is? Does it vary in degree?

I don't think there are degrees of perjury, VR, but honestly it is a crime which is rarely prosecuted.

[sciencegirl]

I am trying to think of a good defense witness. Considering believability, knowledge, demeanor, presence of mind, likeability, and no bias, no one comes to mind. My best guess is Albee is going for the ''Mack'' defense- incompetent defense counsel, and
doing a masterful job of it!

I'm not sure it's more incompetent defense counsel and it is incompetent judge defense. As much as I dislike Albee; you can't say he hasn't fought for his client. But then again, it does show incompetence putting on the defense witnesses he has so far. But, I'm thinking that's all he's got. I don't think he could have just got up there and said the defense rests after the state was finished with their case.

[Xmygrits]

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I've been saying for a long while that I was convinced that MJ would absolutely not testify. But I think there is a chance of it now. A slight chance, but maybe a Hail Mary. Albee may be reassessing the state of his case and concluding that the only chance MJ has for even a hung jury is to testify and reach that one lunatic on the jury who would be sympathetic to this killer.

It's true that he is typical of the kind of defendant who ordinarily would be a candidate to take the stand: no criminal record to bring up, well-educated. But he does have baggage.

It will be so interesting if Albee takes the chance and puts him on to try to humanize him.

Good Morning Kellabeck and everyone.

I enjoyed reading your thoughts this morning. I was wondering if you caught the question by Jambois to the sister about the fact the entire family lied on the stand for the father. IF MJ takes the stand, I am thinking that will come out to show the deceptive character of MJ. Who knows if Albee will go for it. If he does, it outta be good!

I think I caught lovelaws bug. I'm home sick in bed.

[kellabeck]

Oh, man! The Jensen trial is the red-headed stepchild of TruTV! Mack, Cutts get better service.

Right now we are being treated to another disgusting glob of Cutts' sniveling.

[Pinkypoo]

It's not so cold this morning here but we did get an inch or two if snow over night. The roads are extra slippery this morning since the freash snow has covered the icy roads.
I hope they start on time. We have alot of car accedents in the area this monring.
We are expecting about another 4 inchs today near the lake.

[Sherbie]

Good Morning everyond!
Does anyone know what the penalty for lying on the witness stand is? Does it vary in degree?

Good morning, Rose and everyone! :)

I think perjury can carry a penalty that ranges from nothing all the way up to some jail time, but as Kella said, it's rarely pursued. Usually, the remedy is for opposing counsel to impeach the witness, show they've been caught in a lie, and that is good enough.

Sometimes an attorney might ask the judge to strike the entire testimony of a witness who has been proven to have lied in the courtroom (especially an expert witness). But impeaching a witness, exposing them as a liar, and then hammering that point home to the jury in closing is the way I've most often seen it handled.

I'm gonna do something real bad right now -- gonna go make a batch of homemade biscuits and sausage gravy. Anyone wanna be bad with me? http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/puzzlessue/Food%20Eating%20Restaurant/eat2.gif

[KellBell]

Hey Kella, I wanted to comment on something from yesterday but it is closed. The talk yesterday in the thread of Marks dad having pages and pages of violations and how the family has such a criminal history is what we were trying to clear up. There were people quoting criminal activity that was for a Daniel Jensen who was born in 1996 etc, addresses and birth dates show it isn't him. We, well at least I wasn't talking about anything Jambois said. Just trying to stop the other rumors that were taking off like wildfire.

[kellabeck]

Right, but don't you mean 1986? 96 and he'd be a precocious criminal!

[bambam]

:mornincoffee:peeps!

http://th100.photobucket.com/albums/m19/monkeyrank/Weather/th_weatherrainya1.gifhere! whew! how's everybody doin' this morning?

[kellabeck]

WELCOME TO JONOTWO!!!

Latest refugee from the abyss!!!
:party52::basic44:

[KellBell]

Right, but don't you mean 1986? 96 and he'd be a precocious criminal!

Geesh, sorry, don't know the exact date of birth of the guy it was just the point that it wasn't Jensens father they were talking about. It was a different Daniel Jensen. Sorry I brought it up. I wasn't trying to argue with you just trying to explain.

[bambam]

It's not so cold this morning here but we did get an inch or two if snow over night. The roads are extra slippery this morning since the freash snow has covered the icy roads.
I hope they start on time. We have alot of car accedents in the area this monring.
We are expecting about another 4 inchs today near the lake.

ooh pinky, that sounds terrible! are your schools closed there? ya think there's a chance that court could get cancelled... or at least delayed?

[sciencegirl]

Good morning, Rose and everyone! :)

I think perjury can carry a penalty that ranges from nothing all the way up to some jail time, but as Kella said, it's rarely pursued. Usually, the remedy is for opposing counsel to impeach the witness, show they've been caught in a lie, and that is good enough.

Sometimes an attorney might ask the judge to strike the entire testimony of a witness who has been proven to have lied in the courtroom (especially an expert witness). But impeaching a witness, exposing them as a liar, and then hammering that point home to the jury in closing is the way I've most often seen it handled.

I'm gonna do something real bad right now -- gonna go make a batch of homemade biscuits and sausage gravy. Anyone wanna be bad with me? http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/puzzlessue/Food%20Eating%20Restaurant/eat2.gif

Ya know; I am kind of hungry; and I've never had homemade biscuits in my life; so may I join you?:grin:

[sciencegirl]

WELCOME TO JONOTWO!!!

Latest refugee from the abyss!!!
:party52::basic44:

Kell - do you know when you look at your picture; no matter where I move to; you are still staring at me. :67302:

[KellBell]

Ya know; I am kind of hungry; and I've never had homemade biscuits in my life; so may I join you?:grin:


Homemade is the only way to go, you must try them. The things in a can don't resemble a biscuit at all if you ask me. Yuck.

[Pinkypoo]

ooh pinky, that sounds terrible! are your schools closed there? ya think there's a chance that court could get cancelled... or at least delayed?


Schools ae open. Court could be late but I doubt canceled.

[dojewo]

Good Morning Kellabeck and everyone.

I enjoyed reading your thoughts this morning. I was wondering if you caught the question by Jambois to the sister about the fact the entire family lied on the stand for the father. IF MJ takes the stand, I am thinking that will come out to show the deceptive character of MJ. Who knows if Albee will go for it. If he does, it outta be good!

I think I caught lovelaws bug. I'm home sick in bed.I hope you feel better soon, sending some chicken soup your way.:a1chic:

[bambam]

Ya know; I am kind of hungry; and I've never had homemade biscuits in my life; so may I join you?:grin:

girl, you don't know what you've been missing!! nothing better than waking up and eating some fresh, hot homemade biscuits and gravy!! yum! i'm munching on some link sausages, eggs, and toast right now! mmmm...

[RayStar]

I don't think there are degrees of perjury, VR, but honestly it is a crime which is rarely prosecuted.

Sorry o/t:attention:

Well:mornincoffee: Kellabeck I hope it is prosecuted here. I don't know if anyone who does not live in MI is aware but Detroit is a mess right now. Our mayor is probably in DEEP POOP!:puke::puke:

Laura did the best she could and Jamblois hands were tied with her. (I think) I really think she feels bad but wants to save her brother. :0009:

Trutv is killing me. Shut up Cutts.

[dojewo]

Schools ae open. Court could be late but I doubt canceled.
We're a TUFF state, you could call us the mailmen of the country. LMAO

[Xmygrits]

I hope you feel better soon, sending some chicken soup your way.:a1chic:

Aww thank you so much. I'd hug you but I don't want to give ya what I got!

Bobby Cutts comment: Yesterday I watched some of BC' testimony via live feed on my pc. It wasn't very clear and it buffered like mad. Now that I'm home and watching TruTV they are showing testimony from yesterday and he's just a ballin his eyes out...funny thing, I can see clearly that his face is dry as a bone. Not ONE tear. Very bad acting job buddy.

[Pinkypoo]

We're a TUFF state, you could call us the mailmen of the country. LMAO


when we had 14 inchs the other day they didn't even close the Kenosha schools. This is Wisconsin...it's what we do. LOL

[KellBell]

I can't tell if Laura feels family obligation or if she is just the same as the rest of the clan. I really can't tell. The only thing I can tell is that she doesn't come across well at all. She is hiding lots.

[kellabeck]

Geesh, sorry, don't know the exact date of birth of the guy it was just the point that it wasn't Jensens father they were talking about. It was a different Daniel Jensen. Sorry I brought it up. I wasn't trying to argue with you just trying to explain.

Oh, I wasn't arguing! Just making a playful remark. Sorry that I offended you. That wasn't my intention.

[KellBell]

closing arguments are starting in Cutts if anyone is interested

[Pinkypoo]

I can't tell if Laura feels family obligation or if she is just the same as the rest of the clan. I really can't tell. The only thing I can tell is that she doesn't come across well at all. She is hiding lots.

I can tell I would never want her for my best freind :(

[dojewo]

Aww thank you so much. I'd hug you but I don't want to give ya what I got!

Bobby Cutts comment: Yesterday I watched some of BC' testimony via live feed on my pc. It wasn't very clear and it buffered like mad. Now that I'm home and watching TruTV they are showing testimony from yesterday and he's just a ballin his eyes out...funny thing, I can see clearly that his face is dry as a bone. Not ONE tear. Very bad acting job buddy.Yes Cutts is definately acting and not good at it either. I didn't even try to watch online yesterday, I figured we see it all today.

We did have a touch of that same bug here, DD was pretty sick with it. I hope it doesn't stay with you to long.

[KellBell]

I know Cutts is gulity as heck but that prosecutor drives me crazy! He is so rude!

[sciencegirl]

Aww thank you so much. I'd hug you but I don't want to give ya what I got!

Bobby Cutts comment: Yesterday I watched some of BC' testimony via live feed on my pc. It wasn't very clear and it buffered like mad. Now that I'm home and watching TruTV they are showing testimony from yesterday and he's just a ballin his eyes out...funny thing, I can see clearly that his face is dry as a bone. Not ONE tear. Very bad acting job buddy.

I noticed that yesterday. Appeared to be sobbing, grabbing for klenex and sniffling; but yet not one single tear. Ya know; most men pretty much make me ill. well..except for my brothers.

[Xmygrits]

I know Cutts is gulity as heck but that prosecutor drives me crazy! He is so rude!

Hey KellBell, can you post the link to the Cutts trial for me? I don't have any of the live feed links on my laptop at home. Also, anyone post the three links for MJ I will be ever grateful!

Thanks ya'll!

[kellabeck]

I can't tell if Laura feels family obligation or if she is just the same as the rest of the clan. I really can't tell. The only thing I can tell is that she doesn't come across well at all. She is hiding lots.

I wish I had seen her testifying on cross. I read that she looked down a lot and it's also been noted that she doesn't make eye-contact with her brother which is very odd and hard to read.

And there's also the matter of her statement that Mark killed Julie which she recanted. Why? Did Dan and Flo and Mark come down on her?

That assumes it was family pressure. OTOH maybe she is just as sociopathic as her parents and brother?

I dunno. They are quite a bunch.

[sciencegirl]

I know Cutts is gulity as heck but that prosecutor drives me crazy! He is so rude!

I wish someone would tell TTV that they are covering a live trial and it's the Jensen trial; not the Cutt's trial. I'm angered we don't get to see some re-plays of yesterday's testimony; and to hear what the TH's are saying.

[KellBell]

Hey KellBell, can you post the link to the Cutts trial for me? I don't have any of the live feed links on my laptop at home. Also, anyone post the three links for MJ I will be ever grateful!

Thanks ya'll!

http://www.newsnet5.com/video/15210390/index.html

[jcc]

Good morning!

Yes, Jensen is a pretty common name. So the only thing on the rap sheet for old man Jensen is the burglary charge? And he was convicted? And the entire family stood up and lied about an alibi for him?

I woke up thinking about Perry Tarica. I feel even worse now that I heard the sister say Julie thought she was in love with him. I'm sure the only reason she stayed in her loveless marriage is because she couldn't bear the thought of sharing custody of her children. I also thought, by the time PT got the call from the detective, the police had already contacted his workplace and gone over his calls placed from the office? I think by this point, he knew that he was suspect of harrassing phone calls at least, if not the suspect for the pornographic phone calls. And his letter to Julie was simply to set that record straight, and let her know that he still cared about her. I think it would be a natural reaction for an innocent person to be upset about being questioned about it. I can also understand that he'd say he'd had no contact with her (as in phone calls, or person to person meeting). It may have been misleading to the police to not have mentioned the recent letter, but in his mind, I'm sure he was simply denying the phone call and porn allegations.... because he'd had no such contacts with her. He'd respected her wishes to be left alone.

go figure... he writes ONE letter in all that time... and gets busted for it. And the letter came years after the affair had ended right? Gotta go look that up. I know they gave the date of the letter. It was postmarked January 6, 1992. David was born Jan 1990, and he was about 8 months old when JJ and PT had their weekend together. So one letter, over a year later, to set the record straight because he was being accused of harrassing her?

In any case, did the letter enter into evidence? I know they wouldn't let it be read during his testimony, but the jury will get to see the letter he wrote, right?

It is sad that she died thinking he was the stalker.... when he was the guy who cared most about her.

[KellBell]

I wish someone would tell TTV that they are covering a live trial and it's the Jensen trial; not the Cutt's trial. I'm angered we don't get to see some re-plays of yesterday's testimony; and to hear what the TH's are saying.

I am beginning to wonder if Fox or Msnbc is gonna take over trial coverage since they both aired the Cutts trial live yesterday.

[kellabeck]

Kell - do you know when you look at your picture; no matter where I move to; you are still staring at me. :67302:

Yikes!! You know that is a self-portrait with digital cam, hold it up and flash, hoping for the best, knowing the bfly has landed there. I thought, considering the circumstances that it came out pretty well.

But perhaps it's time to change my avatar and give this one a rest!!

[sciencegirl]

Hey KellBell, can you post the link to the Cutts trial for me? I don't have any of the live feed links on my laptop at home. Also, anyone post the three links for MJ I will be ever grateful!

Thanks ya'll!

I've got the WISN link; but not the others though. Sorry.

http://www.wisn.com/video/14992953/detail.html

Now, get back to bed. Here are your tissues.:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[Xmygrits]

I noticed that yesterday. Appeared to be sobbing, grabbing for klenex and sniffling; but yet not one single tear. Ya know; most men pretty much make me ill. well..except for my brothers.

I can relate. I recall reading some of the things you've shared about your life in the past and you and I have a lot in common.

[sciencegirl]

Yikes!! You know that is a self-portrait with digital cam, hold it up and flash, hoping for the best, knowing the bfly has landed there. I thought, considering the circumstances that it came out pretty well.

But perhaps it's time to change my avatar and give this one a rest!!

NO!!! I didn't mean that. Don't change your avitar. I was just making a fun comment.

[Xmygrits]

I've got the WISN link; but not the others though. Sorry.

http://www.wisn.com/video/14992953/detail.html

Now, get back to bed. Here are your tissues.:1187603408.CR.Mothe Thanks for the link!

LOL...he he, I'm in bed wearin my favorite flannel jammy bottoms, t-shirt, soft socks, Lap top on my lap and TrueTV on. Maybe I ain't so "sick" after all. Well I am, but this sure makes being sick more bearable. I hope those were "Puff's Plus with lotion"?:innocent0001:

[sciencegirl]

I can relate. I recall reading some of the things you've shared about your life in the past and you and I have a lot in common.

Someone had a great avitar on here yesterday; can't remember who it was; but it was something like this "I don't miss you, I miss the person you were". And when I read that; I thought; how true is that.

[KellBell]

Here is the CNN link

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream3

[twinkiesmom]

I can't tell if Laura feels family obligation or if she is just the same as the rest of the clan. I really can't tell. The only thing I can tell is that she doesn't come across well at all. She is hiding lots.

I missed all the testimony yesterday...I wish Jambois would have/could have asked Laura Coster if she ate Christmas dinner with her parents...If I was on the jury, that would have settled it for me as to whether she was lying or not.

[Xmygrits]

http://www.newsnet5.com/video/15210390/index.html
Thank you:22wink:

[bigkitty]

Yikes!! You know that is a self-portrait with digital cam, hold it up and flash, hoping for the best, knowing the bfly has landed there. I thought, considering the circumstances that it came out pretty well.

But perhaps it's time to change my avatar and give this one a rest!!

Good morning everybody!:0012:

Kellabeck, don't change the avatar ... I love it! I think its a great shot!:D

jmo, imo, etc.

[KellBell]

Mistrial in the microwave baby trial. Grrr.

[bigkitty]

Thanks for the link!

LOL...he he, I'm in bed wearin my favorite flannel jammy bottoms, t-shirt, soft socks, Lap top on my lap and TrueTV on. Maybe I ain't so "sick" after all. Well I am, but this sure makes being sick more bearable. I hope those were "Puff's Plus with lotion"?:innocent0001:

Oh, I'm sending get well wishes your way!:1222423::1222423::1222423:

[sciencegirl]

I missed all the testimony yesterday...I wish Jambois would have/could have asked Laura Coster if she ate Christmas dinner with her parents...If I was on the jury, that would have settled it for me as to whether she was lying or not.

I wish Jambois would have asked Laura; "So, you thought Julie was having some mental problems; but you still let her take care of your child?????

[sciencegirl]

Mistrial in the microwave baby trial. Grrr.

:shock: Caused by what; if you know?

[KellBell]

I missed all the testimony yesterday...I wish Jambois would have/could have asked Laura Coster if she ate Christmas dinner with her parents...If I was on the jury, that would have settled it for me as to whether she was lying or not.


It's on Youtube

http://youtube.com/user/RealityCanBeEvil

[KellBell]

:shock: Caused by what; if you know?

http://www.whiotv.com/news/15244327/detail.html

[sciencegirl]

Good morning everybody!:0012:

Kellabeck, don't change the avatar ... I love it! I think its a great shot!:D

jmo, imo, etc.

Thank you. ITA. I wasn't being critical of the pic; just having fun cause she is always staring at me. :girl_haha:

[bigkitty]

I wish Jambois would have asked Laura; "So, you thought Julie was having some mental problems; but you still let her take care of your child?????


I was thinking the same thing. She also had Julie driving her son to Karate. Called her when her son was sick for advice. But she was having mental problems, right:waitasec:.......NOT.:mad:

imo, jmo, etc.

[mitch]

morning everbody.

watching cutts on ttv TRYing to cry. what a fake. he would be better off just talking with some remorse in his voisce. i am actully embarred by his acting job. and his lawyer sounds like Barry White singing a love making song.

[Xmygrits]

Someone had a great avitar on here yesterday; can't remember who it was; but it was something like this "I don't miss you, I miss the person you were". And when I read that; I thought; how true is that. When ever I've fallen in "feeling" with someone, it is typically the person that I HOPE they could be...not necessarily the person they are. Kinda sad.

[bigkitty]

morning everbody.

watching cutts on ttv TRYing to cry. what a fake. he would be better off just talking with some remorse in his voisce. i am actully embarred by his acting job. and his lawyer sounds like Barry White singing a love making song.


That guy makes me sick. I'm not for the death penalty, but in his case, I might be persuaded of the need for it. The thing that really, really, really, oh, and by the way, REALLY makes me hate that man is that he left poor little Blake alone in that house. To me, he deserves the death penalty for that alone. What a horrible excuse for a human being.:mad:

[jcc]

Thanks for the link!

LOL...he he, I'm in bed wearin my favorite flannel jammy bottoms, t-shirt, soft socks, Lap top on my lap and TrueTV on. Maybe I ain't so "sick" after all. Well I am, but this sure makes being sick more bearable. I hope those were "Puff's Plus with lotion"?:innocent0001:

That almost makes me wish I was sick!

[Xmygrits]

Oh, I'm sending get well wishes your way!:1222423::1222423::1222423:

Awwww, thank you so much.

[sciencegirl]

http://www.whiotv.com/news/15244327/detail.html

WOW!!! Thanks for the link.

[Cornblossom]

:mornincoffee:

[johnielee333]

:mornincoffee: everyone - a rose :1222423: for julie

[Sherbie]

Ya know; I am kind of hungry; and I've never had homemade biscuits in my life; so may I join you?:grin:

Absolutely! You poor, deprived lil angel...how sad! You come on down and I'll fix you right up, honey. :)

If you look in your grocery's freezer section, you should find Pillsbury Butter Tastin frozen biscuits. They are probably the next best thing to homemade. I keep a bag for when I want a single biscuit or don't feel like making my own. Might wanna give those a try. Or I'll be happy to PM you my biscuit recipe if you wanna have a go at homemade!

So do y'all think TTV will go with Cutts all day today? I've always found it so frustrating to follow a trial with them, only to have another trial supplant the one I'd been watching. NOT a nice thing to do viewers! Don't start showing one unless you're gonna show it start to finish. Hmph!

[annalyzer]

Someone had a great avitar on here yesterday; can't remember who it was; but it was something like this "I don't miss you, I miss the person you were". And when I read that; I thought; how true is that.

Yes I saw that too SG and it is so true.

[bambam]

the def is going to put a shrink on the stand--per jean c. oh boy, i can just imagine!

[Xmygrits]

:mornincoffee:

Mornin Corn~
LOL, I swear, every time I see THAT cat, I laugh out loud.

[bigkitty]

:mornincoffee:

Cornblossom, you always make me smile. Today you caused me to laugh out loud with the signature at the bottom of your post. Please don't ever leave!:girl_haha:

jmo, imo, etc.

[TigressPen]

Mornin Corn~
LOL, I swear, every time I see THAT cat, I laugh out loud.



I do too. He reminds me of Garfield. :67302:

[Sherbie]

http://www.whiotv.com/news/15244327/detail.html

Thank you, Kell. Well that's a shame, but I imagine the state will retry her in short order.

On a happier note, your little doggy is so sweet! I want to pick him/her up for some cuddly-wuddlying every time I see that pic.

Lisa is making a good point right now. If you want to frame your husband for poisoning you, why not ingest a tiny amount and then go to the dr. and say, "I think I'm being poisoned, would you test me?" That way, you get to frame the husband AND live to see him suffer for it. Common sense. Sorely lacking in some of the defense supporters, IMO.

[bambam]

testifying today:


Dr. Sprios

Det. R (recall)

Lori Brown

"Several outta town" folks

[kellabeck]

Y'know--- something to bear in mind. When a defense is "I am being framed" that is an admission that the defendant looks guilty. Or else how would the frame work?

[KellBell]

So today we have Dr. Spiros, Lori Brown, and Albee says he has out of town witnesses lined up for Wednesday, I wonder if he thinks these two witnesses will take the whole day...

Does anyone know what these exhibits are that the defense is talking about.

[bambam]

i just realized it's 9:15!! what's up?

[shortcake]

Cornblossom, you always make me smile. Today you caused me to laugh out loud with the signature at the bottom of your post. Please don't ever leave!:girl_haha:

jmo, imo, etc.

What Corny's already being funny and I missed it. Gotta go look!

By the way, Mornin Everybody!:mornincoffee:

[TigressPen]

Thank you, Kell. Well that's a shame, but I imagine the state will retry her in short order.

On a happier note, your little doggy is so sweet! I want to pick him/her up for some cuddly-wuddlying every time I see that pic.

Lisa is making a good point right now. If you want to frame your husband for poisoning you, why not ingest a tiny amount and then go to the dr. and say, "I think I'm being poisoned, would you test me?" That way, you get to frame the husband AND live to see him suffer for it. Common sense. Sorely lacking in some of the defense supporters, IMO.



I feel common sense, logic and substance are all lacking in defense case so far. I missed a lot of yesterdays and had to read up but I didn't see anything that caught my eye that would make me say hmmm that makes a solid point. I actually am disappointed. I thought Albee was going to be a go-getter with his defense.

[sciencegirl]

Y'know--- something to bear in mind. When a defense is "I am being framed" that is an admission that the defendant looks guilty. Or else how would the frame work?

Excellent point Kella - Never saw it that way.

WE'RE LIVE

[bambam]

live!

[kellabeck]

Ole Marky looking all perky today and smiling at the jury which prolly hates his guts by now.

[Cornblossom]

Spiro..Herzell(?) on the stand...he's a shrink

[kellabeck]

How typical. TTV would rather serve some stale Cutts than some hot steamin' Jensen defense.

[KellBell]

What's with all these ancient doctors that Albee calls.

[Xmygrits]

How typical. TTV would rather serve some stale Cutts than some hot steamin' Jensen defense.
:girl_haha: I was visualizing something of a warm pile on a cold yard!

[Sherbie]

Mornin Corn~
LOL, I swear, every time I see THAT cat, I laugh out loud.

Me too...truly captures the essence of cats. Just needs a "You may pet me (when I'm good and ready)" tag! I hope you feel better soon! :1222423:

[JoolzRoolz]

How typical. TTV would rather serve some stale Cutts than some hot steamin' Jensen defense.

Well, at least they spent 15 minutes on the Jensen trial. That's more than I can say for Best Defense and Courtside yesterday. The Amy Yasbeck lawsuit??!! Give me a break! At least Cutts is somewhat compelling.

[bigkitty]

See you all later everybody!:happy0207:

I really need to take care of some errands but I've been so interested in this trial everything is being pushed to the back burner. I must be good today.:D

jmo, imo, etc.

[kellabeck]

This guy was very disarming by saying "emeritus" means "over the hill." Nice chuckle out of that. Who are they showing in the audience, a middle aged man with silver hair and glasses?

This shrink didn't treat Julie, I am assuming. And can only speak in general terms. Jambois, I predict, will turn him into a pros. witness.

[KellBell]

suicideology...oh jesus

[TigressPen]

Doc just described good-ol-boy Mark, not Julie. :67302:

[Cornblossom]

What's with all these ancient doctors that Albee calls.
the young ones are too busy becoming old? LMAO

[Sherbie]

I feel common sense, logic and substance are all lacking in defense case so far. I missed a lot of yesterdays and had to read up but I didn't see anything that caught my eye that would make me say hmmm that makes a solid point. I actually am disappointed. I thought Albee was going to be a go-getter with his defense.

Same here. I almost feel sorry for Albee. Oh boy, I bet this dr's CV is gonna stretch out a few miles. Wonder if there was an Airplane! character based on this guy, too. :girl_haha:

[Cornblossom]

Cornblossom, you always make me smile. Today you caused me to laugh out loud with the signature at the bottom of your post. Please don't ever leave!:girl_haha:

jmo, imo, etc.
LMAO where would I go? LMAO

[annalyzer]

Where's Kindee today?

[JoolzRoolz]

What's with all these ancient doctors that Albee calls.

Probably so Jambois can't impeach based on lack of experience.

I just saw Ratzberg in the gallery.

[jcc]

I think Mr. Jambois missed the boat by not putting a pyschiatrist on the stand who could explain MJ and his pyschological pathology.

[TigressPen]

Same here. I almost feel sorry for Albee. Oh boy, I bet this dr's CV is gonna stretch out a few miles. Wonder if there was an Airplane! character based on this guy, too. :girl_haha:



:67302: It does seem to be the movie of the trial.

[Xmygrits]

Me too...truly captures the essence of cats. Just needs a "You may pet me (when I'm good and ready)" tag! I hope you feel better soon! :1222423:
Thanks. I have two kitties who do not fit the typical kitty persona. "Skeeter and Sara (aka Fluffy Butt) are my babies.

This doc is a total :0001: geesh.

[KellBell]

I think Mr. Jambois missed the boat by not putting a pyschiatrist on the stand who could explain MJ and his pyschological pathology.

Maybe he is saving it for rebuttal after Albee gets his "experts" on.

[TigressPen]

I think Mr. Jambois missed the boat by not putting a pyschiatrist on the stand who could explain MJ and his pyschological pathology.


You know, I wondered about that and wondered, too, if he was during rebutal to offset some of these defense witnesses.

[JoolzRoolz]

This guy was very disarming by saying "emeritus" means "over the hill." Nice chuckle out of that. Who are they showing in the audience, a middle aged man with silver hair and glasses?

This shrink didn't treat Julie, I am assuming. And can only speak in general terms. Jambois, I predict, will turn him into a pros. witness.

According to TTV he did not treat Julie directly. He apparently reviewed her medical records and is going to give his opinion of her diagnosis.

[Cornblossom]

Where's Kindee today?
hopefully NOT iced packed!

[mitch]

ok i really like this doctor. salt of the earth.

lets see how long it lasts.

[KellBell]

apparently Albee doesn't know the difference between an MD and a PhD

[spunkylubbock]

Mornin' y'all

Who was the guy they showed dozing off?

[kellabeck]

Who was the guy they showed dozing off?

Mark?

[texaslinda]

I think Mr. Jambois missed the boat by not putting a pyschiatrist on the stand who could explain MJ and his pyschological pathology.

Totally agree! That would have been great! If this guy can talk about Julie even though he never saw her, why couldn't someone talk about MJ? I wonder is there was a legal reason Jambois didn't do that?:0009:

[KellBell]

[QUOTE=Sherbie;106213]
On a happier note, your little doggy is so sweet! I want to pick him/her up for some cuddly-wuddlying every time I see that pic.
QUOTE]
Snipped

Thanks, she is a lover girl, she never leaves my side.

[sciencegirl]

Where's Kindee today?

I'm guessing she is without power after yesterday's ice storm.

[kellabeck]

I am telling you! JAMBOIS IS GONNA TURN HIM INTO LUNCH.

[bambam]

so he never saw julie? he only rendered an opinion based on his review of....stuff?

[Sherbie]

If I'm not mistaken, Jambois can't put on a dr. to testify as to MJ's state of mind unless he submitted to (or was ordered by the court to undergo) a psych evaluation. And even then, might not be able to go into it unless the defense calls the doctor or the defendant testifies. I believe there are pretty strict rules under which that kind of evaluation or testimony would come in.

ETA: On second thought, I suppose it might be possible to bring on a dr. to testify as to psychosexual issues and porn in general, but I still don't think that would be allowed.

[kellabeck]

OMG! He interviewed Mark!!!!!!

[Swabby]

Good Morning!

Wow, another "nothing" witness for the defense.

Mr. Jambois; "Did you ever meet or treat Julie Jensen?"

Dr Spiro; "Uh, no"

Jambois; "No further questions".

[TigressPen]

What mark 'thought' had happened or what did 'happen'!!

[spunkylubbock]

Totally agree! That would have been great! If this guy can talk about Julie even though he never saw her, why couldn't someone talk about MJ? I wonder is there was a legal reason Jambois didn't do that?:0009:

That's what I was thinking. Too bad this doc couldn't talk to Julie. Oh right, she's DEAD!!

[texaslinda]

I am telling you! JAMBOIS IS GONNA TURN HIM INTO LUNCH.

Is that a butterfly on your head?

[bambam]

Good Morning!

Wow, another "nothing" witness for the defense.

Mr. Jambois; "Did you ever meet or treat Julie Jensen?"

Dr Spiro; "Uh, no"

Jambois; "No further questions".

really! i know if i were on a jury, i would prolly disregard anything a dr. had to say that NEVER saw the "patient"!! sheesh!

[Kara]

So this guy was hired by the defense to do a "psychological autopsy:. Gosh...I wonder what determination he made and how many dollars per hour he earned reaching that determination....

*rolling eyes*

Good morning everybody!

[KellBell]

Totally agree! That would have been great! If this guy can talk about Julie even though he never saw her, why couldn't someone talk about MJ? I wonder is there was a legal reason Jambois didn't do that?:0009:

Good question, is that legal, within the rules or whatever? Do they ever call people like profilers etc?

It would be interesting to hear a diagnosis of Mark, I am sure we could add lots of insight!!

[kellabeck]

If I'm not mistaken, Jambois can't put on a dr. to testify as to MJ's state of mind unless he submitted to (or was ordered by the court to undergo) a psych evaluation. And even then, might not be able to go into it unless the defense calls the doctor or the defendant testifies. I believe there are pretty strict rules under which that kind of evaluation or testimony would come in.

I think you are very right.

IF the defense were "insanity" and his state of mind were at issue, MJ would have to submit to shrinks, both defense and prosecution.

This guy spoke to MJ, his sister, son, pastor, Dan and Flo, too. Wow! A panoply of liars!!

Garbage in, garbage out.

[jcc]

Did he interview any of the GRIFFIN family or any of the neighbors? They only interviewed Mark's family? What is wrong with THAT picture? He says neighbors declined. I guess we need to get them back up and ask them...course we already heard them say Julie was fine. And brother Paul gave a statement.

[kellabeck]

Is that a butterfly on your head?

It is. A Tithorea tarracina.

[kellabeck]

Did he interview any of the GRIFFIN family or any of the neighbors? They only interviewed Mark's family? What is wrong with THAT picture?

He is saying they refused.

[KellBell]

Oh good Lord, I am getting a headache already, this guy is so unappealing I can't even manage to make notes about him.

[Kara]

so he never saw julie? he only rendered an opinion based on his review of....stuff?
He interviewed Mark and Mark's family to reach his determination. What a stinking pile of hooey.

[johnielee333]

:1222423: julie was not mentally ill & she did not kill herself !
mark killed her & this defense make's me sick !

[kellabeck]

Good Morning!

Wow, another "nothing" witness for the defense.

Mr. Jambois; "Did you ever meet or treat Julie Jensen?"

Dr Spiro; "Uh, no"

Jambois; "No further questions".


I predict, swabby, that he will question this doctor and turn him very effectively to his own uses.

[texaslinda]

If I'm not mistaken, Jambois can't put on a dr. to testify as to MJ's state of mind unless he submitted to (or was ordered by the court to undergo) a psych evaluation. And even then, might not be able to go into it unless the defense calls the doctor or the defendant testifies. I believe there are pretty strict rules under which that kind of evaluation or testimony would come in.

ETA: On second thought, I suppose it might be possible to bring on a dr. to testify as to psychosexual issues and porn in general, but I still don't think that would be allowed.

That explains it. IMO Jambois has been doing a great job--I wondered if it might be a legal thing or it seems to me he would have called someone...

[sciencegirl]

Might as well give Jambois a fork and a knife; as he is going to eat this Dr. up.:zm10:

[Sherbie]

OMG! He interviewed Mark!!!!!!

Well, now...that could get interesting on cross and rebuttal, huh?

I am so sick of this "psychological autopsy" junk, both in Spector and in this case. It's impossible, IMO, to truly assess someone psychologically without their being alive to participate.

[KellBell]

I think you are very right.

IF the defense were "insanity" and his state of mind were at issue, MJ would have to submit to shrinks, both defense and prosecution.

This guy spoke to MJ, his sister, son, pastor, Dan and Flo, too. Wow! A panoply of liars!!

Garbage in, garbage out.

Thanks, I must have missed Sherbies original post, this guy is putting me to sleep. Poor jury.

[spunkylubbock]

He is saying they refused.

Thank goodness they refused. Can you imagine what this defense paid gun would have come up with if he had talked to the Griffins? I'm glad they declined to join in on the smear job on their sister!

[KellBell]

Depression is the leading causes of death in the united states???? I think that is crap!!!

I am going to do some googleing....I don't believe that for a minute.

[TigressPen]

Well, now...that could get interesting on cross and rebuttal, huh?

I am so sick of this "psychological autopsy" junk, both in Spector and in this case. It's impossible, IMO, to truly assess someone psychologically without their being alive to participate.




I don't have a problem with them in a non bias setting.

[texaslinda]

It is. A Tithorea tarracina.

It's beautiful. Are they already out where you live? It's still too cold in Texas for butterflies and anyway we don't get too many big ones like that in the city...

[sciencegirl]

:1222423: julie was not mentally ill & she did not kill herself !
mark killed her & this defense make's me sick !

Julie was not even close to being depressed. I speak from experience. I think she was scared more than anything; 1) that Mark was trying to kill her, and 2) fear of losing her children. Her active live, volunteering at school, book club, etc., shows she was not depressed.

[bambam]

Well, now...that could get interesting on cross and rebuttal, huh?

I am so sick of this "psychological autopsy" junk, both in Spector and in this case. It's impossible, IMO, to truly assess someone psychologically without their being alive to participate.

ITA sherb! it's ridiculous!

[KellBell]

Liar Liar pants on fire!!! Depression is not the leading cause of death in the U.S.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm

[mitch]

I predict, swabby, that he will question this doctor and turn him very effectively to his own uses.

ITA.

i'm still liking this guy.

[shortcake]

Is he going to talk about people becoming suicidal from listening to boring testimony?

[sciencegirl]

Depression is the leading causes of death in the united states???? I think that is crap!!!

I am going to do some googleing....I don't believe that for a minute.

I thought it was 1st - heart disease and 2nd, breast cancer.

[jcc]

Not only don't I like Mr. Albee's voice, but I don't even like looking at him. That probably isn't a very nice thing to say, but he elicits very negative energy!

[Xmygrits]

It is. A Tithorea tarracina.

LOL! Looks like a Monarch to me! :D

[sciencegirl]

Is he going to talk about people becoming suicidal from listening to boring testimony?

:67302:

[mitch]

Liar Liar pants on fire!!! Depression is not the leading cause of death in the U.S.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm

i thought he said "one of the leading causes of death"

[sciencegirl]

Not only don't I like Mr. Albee's voice, but I don't even like looking at him. That probably isn't a very nice thing to say, but he elicits very negative energy!

He does. I swear he no only wears the same suit and shirt each day; but he sleeps in them.:hifive:

[KellBell]

Or here is a good one

http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html

[sciencegirl]

i thought he said "one of the leading causes of death"

Even if he did say that; I don't believe it's one of the leading causes of death.

[shortcake]

Depression is the leading causes of death in the united states???? I think that is crap!!!

I am going to do some googleing....I don't believe that for a minute.Did you hear him go back and qualify the statement with suicide is the leading cause of death of those who attempt it? Gotta think about that one.:waitasec:

[TigressPen]

Well, Geez, if I was fed antifreeze and was sick as a dog, I'd be miserable too!!!

[JoolzRoolz]

i thought he said "one of the leading causes of death"

He did.

[vintage_rose]

Spiro say's "bleak look of the future?" Uh Yeah! I'd say if I thought my husband was trying to kill me I'd have a bleak look of the future too! Aaaargh!

[bambam]

oh my!! so he KNOWS what julie's DEEP FEARS were!!! sheesh!!

[TigressPen]

He does. I swear he no only wears the same suit and shirt each day; but he sleeps in them.:hifive:


Like Matlock! LOL He always wore same suit to court and anywhere else he went. :girl_haha:

[jcc]

Liar Liar pants on fire!!! Depression is not the leading cause of death in the U.S.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm

Perhaps of the pyschological diagnoses, depression has the highest death rate... :rolleye0001:

Deep fear to be seen like her mother.... that comes from years of her husband putting that in her head.... I know it!

[kellabeck]

It's beautiful. Are they already out where you live? It's still too cold in Texas for butterflies and anyway we don't get too many big ones like that in the city...


Actually that particular bfly is from Costa Rica. So it's never seen here except for inside the conservatory where I volunteer!

Memo to Doctor: Please stop clearing your throat in the microphone!!!!

[lyndawitha"y]

Oh good Lord, I am getting a headache already, this guy is so unappealing I can't even manage to make notes about him.

I hate to say this, but this fellow is typical of Psychiatrists..They have a tendency to look at the worst case scenerio, by symptomology..as they are usually called in because the target person is " Way Out There"..and these specialists tend to interpret them to the highest degree of "Psycopathology"!

I think, Jambois can give this expert a whole lot of "Hypothetical Situations", without naming names, that will be good to expose Mark's devient characteristics..Sure hope he does..as I think Mark, had BIGGER ISSUES..than Julie.

Mood Disorder..Yiks...Julie came by this because of real events..not imagined events!..Psychiatricaly speaking, "Situational Depression" is treatable..as Depression with deep rooted psychopatholgy..is a diferent ballgame!

[Swabby]

I predict, swabby, that he will question this doctor and turn him very effectively to his own uses.

I hope you are right.

I don't know how much value the jurors will assign to this guy. Very little, I imagine.

Swabby

[annalyzer]

It is. A Tithorea tarracina.

Along with honeybees I notice very few butterflies anymore. :girl_sad:

[shortcake]

Tell me what kind of outlook someone will have after they have suffered 7 years of false stalking with porno by the man you think loves you. Tell me the effect of that good doctor. Oh, I'm getting mad!

[bambam]

Like Matlock! LOL He always wore same suit to court and anywhere else he went. :girl_haha:

LOL i used to watch matlock! and i swore i never would, but it ended up being one of my fave shows! yeah, all of his suits looked exactly alike! i remember an episode where his daughter bought him a new, different one...he couldn't STAND wearing it! :67302:

[KellBell]

This is so crap, he can't diagnos someone he hasn't met and from info from one doctors appointment, one incident of crying because of marital problems.

Jesus, I hope this guy doesn't get ahold of me or he would put me in a mental institute cuz I have cried a million times about things that upset me. I also like many people don't want to inherit bad traits of my parents. Isn't that NORMAL??? Quick, get the straight jacket!

[vintage_rose]

Julie was not even close to being depressed. I speak from experience. I think she was scared more than anything; 1) that Mark was trying to kill her, and 2) fear of losing her children. Her active live, volunteering at school, book club, etc., shows she was not depressed.

ITA!!! I can't imagine how frustrating this must be for Julie's brothers to have to sit through and listen to.

[texaslinda]

Not only don't I like Mr. Albee's voice, but I don't even like looking at him. That probably isn't a very nice thing to say, but he elicits very negative energy!

I agree. Everything about him is depressing. Maybe this boring doctor should be talking to Albee about his problems? ...Like having a guilty client!

[Sherbie]

I don't have a problem with them in a non bias setting.

I might not either, in that type of setting. When it's used as it is here, though, the expert has been hired to see if he can find what the defense wants him to find. That influences how he looks at the evidence, IMO. Not that he'd lie, necessarily, but that he'd do his best to make things fit the defense theory.

You can't dissect psychological issues postmortem like you can physical issues. There's no tumor, no disease process that you can point at and scientifically say that, without a doubt, it contributed to death. Unless there's a long, detailed history from medical sources (such as psychiatric treatment, inpatient stays, etc.), then it's all too subjective, even for an objective evaluator, IMO.

[KellBell]

i thought he said "one of the leading causes of death"

I could have misheard but I went to over 10 sites and it wasn't on any of the lists.

[sciencegirl]

She was going to be too sick to pick her son up; because she was going on PAXIL, you idiot. Not that she wouldn' be there because she was going to kill her self.

Hey doc; now make sure you leave out all of the relevant information and facts; why don'tcha. Idiot.

[jcc]

This is such baloney! I can barely stand to listen to it.

[spunkylubbock]

Spiro say's "bleak look of the future?" Uh Yeah! I'd say if I thought my husband was trying to kill me I'd have a bleak look of the future too! Aaaargh!
So in 2 months tiime she goes from mild depression to suicidal. I wonder if this doc included in his evaluation the fact that she had been porn stalked for 7 years. And that she told Dr. Borman that her kids were everything to her.

I have a feeling the jury isn't going to by this guy's testimony.

[bambam]

This is such baloney! I can barely stand to listen to it.

me either! a complete waste of time, if ya ask me! i sure hope the jury sees thru this...more smoke and mirrors!!

[TigressPen]

Newsflash Doc!!! Normal non depressive people have up and down days!!!

[mitch]

Even if he did say that; I don't believe it's one of the leading causes of death.

i don't either, but i am no expert or have any experience with the mental health area.

just a little OT, but here in CA with have a huge homeless population. it is very sad and many many of them have mental health issues.

[KellBell]

I feel closed minded because I want to just shut this off or put him on mute because he is so way off base. But I won't.

It must be so hard for Julie's brother to hear this. My heart goes out to him. They keep showing him and it is breaking my heart.

[Kara]

What is the quack talking about? Recurrent episodes of depression? She was mildly depressed in 90 and then again in 98 when she believed her husband was trying to kill her. Is that recurrent?

[shortcake]

so he never saw julie? he only rendered an opinion based on his review of....stuff?

yeah, based on his review of stuff and the opinions of others that would be testifying for the defence. How credible--not!

[jcc]

So in 2 months tiime she goes from mild depression to suicidal. I wonder if this doc included in his evaluation the fact that she had been porn stalked for 7 years. And that she told Dr. Borman that her kids were everything to her.

I have a feeling the jury isn't going to by this guy's testimony.

And let's not forget she suspects her husband is trying to kill her!

I'll agree with this statement:

She was enormously upset before her death.

That fits with testimony from the Wojt's, Det. Ratz, and Theresa DeFazio. She was enormously upset because she was fearing for her life.


Sexuality...Mark says she lost all interest in sexuality? I think MJ is hardly the one to set the meter for sexuality norms. AND he even said HE declined her advances, per his emails to Kelly.

Change in appetite... that is because she was afraid to eat at home!!! Fear of being poisoned can be a delusion in a depressed person. here we go.

I think the defense is going to sink here. If the jury is already leaning toward guilt, the jury will just sit and hear this testimony the way we are... and pick it apart, one by one.

Husband said there had been many sleepless nights on Dec 2, yet Julie never mentioned it on Dec 1.

[sciencegirl]

Suicide rates are higher in Wisconsin????? Prove it doctor.

[vintage_rose]

This is such baloney! I can barely stand to listen to it.

All her "symptoms" are signs that JJ was reacting as a normal person would if they thought someone might kill them...She was more normal than all these people put together!

[dojewo]

Ok, everyone watch out for us Wisconsinites, we might be suicidal

[Xmygrits]

I might not either, in that type of setting. When it's used as it is here, though, the expert has been hired to see if he can find what the defense wants him to find. That influences how he looks at the evidence, IMO. Not that he'd lie, necessarily, but that he'd do his best to make things fit the defense theory.

You can't dissect psychological issues postmortem like you can physical issues. There's no tumor, no disease process that you can point at and scientifically say that, without a doubt, it contributed to death. Unless there's a long, detailed history from medical sources (such as psychiatric treatment, inpatient stays, etc.), then it's all too subjective, even for an objective evaluator, IMO.

Not to mention the fact psychology and psychiatric treatment is NOT an exact science! It is exactly his "PAID" opinion, not necessarily "FACT".

[KellBell]

Newsflash Doc!!! Normal non depressive people have up and down days!!!

Exactly, what a crappy world it would be to NOT be able to feel emotion. If it were not for sadness we wouldn't appreciate happiness and joy. Why not just drug the world so we don't feel anything and walk around in a trance...

Oh a minute ago he said she could have been mildly depressed now he says enormously...which is it doc???

[texaslinda]

Actually that particular bfly is from Costa Rica. So it's never seen here except for inside the conservatory where I volunteer!

Memo to Doctor: Please stop clearing your throat in the microphone!!!!

Oh, that explains it! Are you in Georgia? There is a fantastic butterfly conservatory there. It's way out in the country. I'll get back on topic, but I just couldn't figure out how you had butterflies this early in the year if we don't have them in Texas yet (as far south as you can go...) That explains it...

This whole line of questioning is very depressing as MJ victimized his wife once, and now is doing it all over again. I hope he burns in hell...

[ja77]

Hey all, Thanks for all the good posts of the "psycho" psychologist. I am watching Cutts closing arguments so I have paused my MJ watching. Please keep the running dialogue of his testimony going for me, please!!

[shortcake]

she lost interest! he was a sicko! that will make anyone lose interest!

[KellBell]

You know, the jury are normal people just like us so if we can see this is crap then the jury is likely to see it too. That somehow makes me feel better.

[sciencegirl]

Mark says she lost interest in sex??? I believe Mark was telling Kelly via email when he and Julie were having sex. What a liar.

[RayStar]

I hope Jamblois asks this dr. about the day JGJ was born how depressed she was!!!

[shortcake]

not preparing for Thanksgiving might ialso suggest a woman that was possibly given AF in early November and had been ill

[Sherbie]

I feel closed minded because I want to just shut this off or put him on mute because he is so way off base. But I won't.

It must be so hard for Julie's brother to hear this. My heart goes out to him. They keep showing him and it is breaking my heart.

This is such a flashback to how Lana Clarkson was disparaged in the Spector trial. It's still a little too fresh (and disgusting) to me. I too feel that I don't want to give him my full attention because I know what he's going to say and what his bottom line is going to be. It's just as implausible in this case as it was in Lana's.

You know, it seems if he wanted to give a truly objective opinion about Julie's state of mind, he would NOT use her accused murderer as a source of information. In fact, looks like he would totally discount anything Mark or his family (who have reason to lie to protect him) had to say about Julie and go with totally objective evidence instead. But that wouldn't do the trick, would it?

[kellabeck]

Ha! Albee picked up from the doctor that "criterion" is the singular of "criteria" and has stopped saying the "criteria is..."

Gotta give'im that.

[TigressPen]

I might not either, in that type of setting. When it's used as it is here, though, the expert has been hired to see if he can find what the defense wants him to find. That influences how he looks at the evidence, IMO. Not that he'd lie, necessarily, but that he'd do his best to make things fit the defense theory.

You can't dissect psychological issues postmortem like you can physical issues. There's no tumor, no disease process that you can point at and scientifically say that, without a doubt, it contributed to death. Unless there's a long, detailed history from medical sources (such as psychiatric treatment, inpatient stays, etc.), then it's all too subjective, even for an objective evaluator, IMO.


Yeah, agreed. Still, it is a good thing in less problematic deaths than Julie's was. Just the crime scene, the body positioning and inconsistent statements from Mark, the high-five, the neighbors talking about how Mark acted the day she passed all fit more of the murder scenario than suicide to me.

And this doc didn't talk to neighbors etc... all he had was Mark and Mark's family. The fibbers for Dad and high fiving Dad who was glad Julie was out of picture IMO. He needed more info before he came to court to testify.

I'd think her convo with Doc 2 days before she died is very telling, that she was concerned for herself. Not that she was contemplating suicide.

[vintage_rose]

She failed to eat because she thought MJ was trying to POISON her! Helloooooooooo????

[spunkylubbock]

You know, the jury are normal people just like us so if we can see this is crap then the jury is likely to see it too. That somehow makes me feel better.
I hope so. This guy is making me furious! He should be ashamed for bashing Julie like this. He has absolutely nooooo common sense!

[sciencegirl]

We really need to have direct contact with Jambois so he can ask or remember to ask some of our questions.

[gramvof14]

Even if he did say that; I don't believe it's one of the leading causes of death.Well it isn't on the list of ten so how can it beleading cause of death.Also this is all hear say by MJ and family they are all liars so how can he come up with a diagnosis of depression.:duh::thud2:

[andersson33]

Hello everyone!

There's nothing I like better than waking up and listening to the dulcet tones
of a paid liar.

For that reason I'm: :nonono:

What a jack-arse.

:mad:




I hope Jamblois asks this dr. about the day JGJ was born how depressed she was!!!

[Xmygrits]

Mark says she lost interest in sex??? I believe Mark was telling Kelly via email when he and Julie were having sex. What a liar.

I heard him say that. He was basing her signs of depression on the fact JJ had lost interest in sex. OK, so how does he know this as fact? Because she refused advances from Mark? When ever I am in an unhappy relationship and was being abused, the LAST thing I wanted to do was give my body to the creep abusing me. That did not mean I'd lost interest in sex...I still fantasized of taking Dale Jr. for 5 hours straight!!!! Jess sayin...Hogwash Doc.

[sciencegirl]

Keep in mind; all of this so called psychological evidence is coming from Mark himself.

[RayStar]

We really need to have direct contact with Jambois so he can ask or remember to ask some of our questions.
YES

[texaslinda]

Mark says she lost interest in sex??? I believe Mark was telling Kelly via email when he and Julie were having sex. What a liar.


She probably lost interest because MJ is a perv...

[shortcake]

now we go from one sleepless night, to nights. what the heck? this guy is so toast when Jambois gets up there

[Bernie]

All evidence the Doc used came from MJ or his Family what a joke

[vintage_rose]

Hey Doc! Some people stop eating not just because some one is trying to poison them, but also because they are soooo stressed out they lose their appetite....and thinking your spouse is going to poison you certainly qualifies!~

[shortcake]

We really need to have direct contact with Jambois so he can ask or remember to ask some of our questions.:hifive:I just had that same thought. And thought don't we kid ourselves in thinking they care what we think.

[jcc]

All her "symptoms" are signs that JJ was reacting as a normal person would if they thought someone might kill them...She was more normal than all these people put together!

I agree with you. That isn't the way the defense is painting it, but I believe it is the way the jury will receive it.

[sciencegirl]

Oh my hear comes the poop story and Julie being agitated.

[johnielee333]

ITA!!! I can't imagine how frustrating this must be for Julie's brothers to have to sit through and listen to.


its so sad ! i hate mark & what he's doing ! this defense make's me sick ! i really feel for julie,her boys & her brothers ! mark is a sick person !

[texaslinda]

This explains why she wasn't getting any sleep. She was scared out of her mind. This guy is already testifying for the prosecution!

She should have listened to her gut feel. She was right all along, just didn't want to believe the father of her children was this evil... He deserves the death penalty...

[sciencegirl]

:hifive:I just had that same thought. And thought don't we kid ourselves in thinking they care what we think.

I think they do care. I'm sure they have assistants on these boards all the time. Trying to grasp; where they stand; what they're missing; what we think.

[dojewo]

I wonder if Lovelaw is still recovering from her Birthday? Maybe we should all talk quietly.

[kellabeck]

Oh, that explains it! Are you in Georgia? There is a fantastic butterfly conservatory there. It's way out in the country. I'll get back on topic, but I just couldn't figure out how you had butterflies this early in the year if we don't have them in Texas yet (as far south as you can go...) That explains it...

This whole line of questioning is very depressing as MJ victimized his wife once, and now is doing it all over again. I hope he burns in hell...


Doctor, she wasn't imagining the danger. She was MURDERED.

No, I am in Manhattan. The conservatory is in the American Museum of Natural History and we have a live bfly exhibit every winter.

[vintage_rose]

not preparing for Thanksgiving might ialso suggest a woman that was possibly given AF in early November and had been ill

I hadn't thought of that! Very good point!

[Cornblossom]

FIVE LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH, USA, AGES 15-24, 1998:

1) Accidents 51.8% 12,752
(2) Homicide 21.3% 5,233
(3) Suicide 16.3% 4,003
(4) Cancer 6.8% 1,670
(5) Heart Disease 3.9% 961



TRENDS IN CAUSES OF DEATH FROM 1979 TO 1998, USA
Alzheimer's Disease < 1 % +1,200 %
Septicemia < 1 % +91 %
Chronic Obstructive Lung 5 % +46 %
Diabetes mellitus 3 % +39 %
Hypertension < 1 % +26 %
Pneumonia/influenza 4 % +18 %
Nephritis < 1 % +2 %
Cancer 23 % -6 %
Suicide < 1 % -11 %
All Causes 100 % -18 %
Homicide < 1 % -28 %
Accidents 4 % -30 %
Heart Disease 31 % -37 %
Stroke 7 % -40 %
Liver Disease < 1 % -40 %
Atherosclerosis < 1 % -67 %

[spunkylubbock]

I heard him say that. He was basing her signs of depression on the fact JJ had lost interest in sex. OK, so how does he know this as fact? Because she refused advances from Mark? When ever I am in an unhappy relationship and was being abused, the LAST thing I wanted to do was give my body to the creep abusing me. That did not mean I'd lost interest in sex...I still fantasized of taking Dale Jr. for 5 hours straight!!!! Jess sayin...Hogwash Doc.
You are soooo right on that one! He's taking the word of the abuser Mark for his Julie-bashing diagnosis! Grrrrrrrr!!!

[JoolzRoolz]

Keep in mind; all of this so called psychological evidence is coming from Mark himself.

Yep - we really have to remember that. From what I can tell he is giving his opinion in good faith based on that. I don't think it's fair to call the doc a liar.

[sciencegirl]

Notice he doesn't say anything about Mark's role in the marriage? The poor soul!!!! How dare you call Julie that.

[ja77]

Did you hear that? He spoke to David and he said that his mother had problems with him hanging with friends!! How many friends was a EIGHT-year-old hanging with!! This man is a farce!! Get him off the stand!!

[TigressPen]

I heard him say that. He was basing her signs of depression on the fact JJ had lost interest in sex. OK, so how does he know this as fact? Because she refused advances from Mark? When ever I am in an unhappy relationship and was being abused, the LAST thing I wanted to do was give my body to the creep abusing me. That did not mean I'd lost interest in sex...I still fantasized of taking Dale Jr. for 5 hours straight!!!! Jess sayin...Hogwash Doc.




Hear Hear!! :67302: with Dale, Jr comment. Saturday was Awesome!! I wonder if this doc knows of Marks little side hobby and that Julie saw some rather graphic sexual pics that he threw in her face for 7 years!! Good grief I wouldn't want to have sex with a man who was so accusatory either!!

[bambam]

the stigma of mental illness....puh--leeeeeze! i'm going to puke! ignoring now...til jambois comes on and sets him straight!

[andersson33]

Suicide rates are higher in Wisconsin????? Prove it doctor.

What?

Gee, I'll have to tell my friends around here.
They've never tried to kill themselves.

What's WRONG with them?

I'm so angry with this glib little man, his attempt to sound caring--eeeeek.

May he be struck down with laryngitis right this minute!

:mad:

[shortcake]

I'm feeling there's a lot of anger on the board here today. This is very sad. I feel we are going down the wrong road and need to ask for help. But where can we get it? Could this doctor please help our poor souls. Will we ever get out of this part of the testimony? I'm not seeing an end in sight.

[jcc]

Oh brother~ how compassionate he is about mental health stigma, while he is on the stand furthering the 'crazy woman' mentality. How ironic is this.

[Sherbie]

Oh, please, doctor -- you're making me gag! "The poor soul was suffering," so condescending and so obviously using the ploy of kind-hearted-doctor-feels-sorry-for-victim. Go f yerself, buddy.

[gramvof14]

HER HUSBAND ,HER HUSBAND SAID SHE DID THIS AND THAT AND WE ARE SUPPOSE TO BELIEVE A MAN THAT WAS TORTURING HER AND PUTTING PORN PICS ALL AROUND THE HOUSE. WHAT A BUNCH OF BS. OH THE POOR SOUL WAS SUFFERING , YES SHE WAS AT THE HANDS OF HER HUSBAND, DOCTOR S.:doh:

[kellabeck]

Oh, here it is:

SHORT SHRIFT from Jean Casarez
a brief summary of the LIVE trial from Wisconsin
interrupts the rerunning of yesterday's testimony in the Cutts trial

:rolleyes:

Do they gauge the interest in this trial by the number of msgs in the abyss? Do they think the incredible drop off is attributed to lack of interest rather than the fleeing of good posters, driven out by the bridge dwellers??

[andersson33]

the stigma of mental illness....puh--leeeeeze! i'm going to puke! ignoring now...til jambois comes on and sets him straight!

:puke:

Agreed.
This guy is going to ruin my whole day.

:duh:

[TigressPen]

Did you hear that? He spoke to David and he said that his mother had problems with him hanging with friends!! How many friends was a EIGHT-year-old hanging with!! This man is a farce!! Get him off the stand!!



Oddly his friends included Jensen family children ... I wonder if she did think about what SIL etc were saying in front of her children when she wasn't around.

[jcc]

Did you hear that? He spoke to David and he said that his mother had problems with him hanging with friends!! How many friends was a EIGHT-year-old hanging with!! This man is a farce!! Get him off the stand!!
You are so right. Developmentally, this is something we might hear about in a child in the 12-16yo range.

[mitch]

I agree with you. That isn't the way the defense is painting it, but I believe it is the way the jury will receive it.

i am a little worried about the men on this jury after this test.

[johnielee333]

so let us take the word of a murderer & his lying sister & mentally ill family - NOT !!!!!!

[KellBell]

Hey idiot! Why are you relying on info from Mark and Laura???

[Xmygrits]

the stigma of mental illness....puh--leeeeeze! i'm going to puke! ignoring now...til jambois comes on and sets him straight!

He is using suggestive personal words to influence the jury while giving his opinion, "This poor woman...didn't want to deal with the stigma of mental illness..." bla bla bla:parting:

[kellabeck]

Where is the evidence that she turned down the job at the school??? I have heard that only from defense witnesses.

What we have heard is that Mr Mangi was calling to offer her the job and was told she was asleep for a long time. She died not knowing she had gotten the job.

So what is this carp??

[spunkylubbock]

Did you hear that? He spoke to David and he said that his mother had problems with him hanging with friends!! How many friends was a EIGHT-year-old hanging with!! This man is a farce!! Get him off the stand!!
Wonder if the doc asked David what he thought of his father refusing to take his mother to the hospital & then his mother was dead later that day?

[TigressPen]

i am a little worried about the men on this jury after this test.



I don't believe that Tylenol story!!!

[jcc]

Those psalms and stuff... are probably in memory of her mother.