Marsilene Smith, 68 of Murfreesboro, TN MSG Since 12-06-2007

[Grande]

Police searching for missing woman

Police are searching for a 68-year-old woman whose Lincoln Navigator turned up abandoned in a Wal-Mart parking lot Friday morning.

Anyone with information regarding the whereabouts of Marsilene Smith of 406 Village Green is asked to call 911 immediately.

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Smith is an insulin-dependent diabetic and could go into shock if she does not receive treatment, police spokesman Kyle Evans said.

Glover Smith, the missing woman’s husband, told police Marislene had went shopping earlier in the day, but it was uncharacteristic of her to be out after dark.

Mrs. Smith is 5-foot-4 and has short, brownish-red hair. She was last seen wearing long sleeves, faded blue jeans and boots.

She normally shops at K-Mart, Old Time Pottery, Kroger, Stones River Mall and the Avenue Murfreesboro.

“We’re concerned for her health and general well being. It was a cold night,” Evans said.

http://dnj.midsouthnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071207/NEWS01/71207005

[Grande]

Local woman's mother missing
Saturday, December 8, 2007

The mother of a Shelbyville woman was reported missing Friday in Murfreesboro after her SUV was found abandoned.

Marsilene Smith, the 68-year-old mother of Leann Barnes of Shelbyville, was last seen shopping at K-Mart or Old Time Pottery on Thursday afternoon, but was reported missing by her husband Glover Smith after she did not return home after dark.

Murfreesboro police found her champagne-colored Lincoln Navigator in the Wal-Mart parking lot on South Rutherford Boulevard at 7 a.m. Friday morning. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigations was asked Friday afternoon to examine the vehicle.

Police spokesman Kyle Evans would not say if evidence of foul play was discovered but added that Smith would normally come home from shopping after dark.

Smith is insulin dependent and is at risk of going into shock and suffering from disorientation without her medicine, authorities said.

She is described as 5 feet 4 inches tall, 139 pounds, with short brownish red hair, blue eyes with glasses and was last seen wearing a long sleeve top, a blue jean jacket, faded blue jeans, and black zip-up boots.

Authorities are also examining hours of surveillance tapes from Wal-Mart for clues to the disappearance as well as footage from a nearby gas station.

http://www.t-g.com/story/1296228.html

[Grande]

Police: Man was driving missing woman's vehicle

DNJ staff reports

Surveillance video of a missing woman’s vehicle has Murfreesboro Police asking for the public’s help.

Wal-Mart parking lot surveillance video shows that Marcelene Smith, 69, was not in her Lincoln Navigator sports utility vehicle when it was left in the parking lot on South Rutherford Boulevard Thursday.

Glover Smith, the woman’s husband, reported his wife missing Thursday around 6 p.m.

The video shows what appears to be a man parking Smith’s vehicle, get a bike out of the trunk and bike away.

Anyone with information regarding the whereabouts of Smith or the man who was seen leaving her car is asked to contact police at 615-893-1311.

http://dnj.midsouthnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071208/NEWS01/71208009

[Grande]

Family takes search to streets
Sixty-nine-year-old woman missing since Thursday
By SAMANTHA E. WILLIAMS
sewilliams@dnj.com

Friends, neighbors and concerned community members joined together outside Barfield Elementary School at 1 p.m. today to address the public about Marsilene Smith, 69, who has been missing since Thursday.

Supportive hugs and kind words were given to Smith's daughter, LeAnn Barnes, as she thanked the community and law enforcement officers for their efforts in the search.

"My mother disappeared while shopping for Christmas," she said. "I want to say thank you to the police for their efforts. They are keeping me informed daily — hourly — of their progress."

Barnes said they had spent the previous day going to local businesses and putting up fliers with Smith's description and picture on them.

The family's plan now is to go door-to-door and place fliers in mailboxes.

"We want as many people as possible aware. Someone had to have seen something," said Jamie Barnes, LeAnn Barnes' brother-in-law.

Smith's husband reported her missing Thursday near 6 p.m., after she did not return home for several hours.

"She's a creature of habit," said David Barnes, LeAnn's husband and Smith's son-in-law. "She usually doesn't shop but an hour or two. She would have been back by dark. We knew something was wrong."

Smith had reportedly gone shopping near 1:30 p.m. Thursday.

"We are still considering this a missing persons case," Murfreesboro Police spokesman Kyle Evan said Sunday evening. "We want people to keep calling with any information they may have."

Smith's car, a Lincoln Navigator sports utility vehicle, was found in the Rutherford Boulevard Walmart parking lot. According to Wal-Mart surveillance video, an unknown man was driving the woman's SUV when it was left in the parking lot Thursday.

Evan said police are searching for a person of interest — the man who was seen riding a bicycle after leaving a missing woman's vehicle in the Walmart parking lot.

"We are looking for anyone who may have seen him and give us a description of him. On the tape we can see him cut off another vehicle. We want to know who that person was and to know if they have a description of him," Evan said. "He is a person of interest, not a suspect."

The man, in Smith's SUV is seen on the surveillance tape cutting off a white sedan with a sunroof, Evans said.

Police believe two or more occupants of that car may have seen the man and be able to offer information about him, Evans said.

Anyone who saw the man riding the bike in or around the Wal-Mart parking lot is asked to call police.

Evans said police want to know how the man came into possession of the vehicle, if he had contact with Smith and why he left it there.

Smith is 5-foot-4, weighs about 139 pounds and has short, strawberry blond hair. She was last seen wearing long sleeves, faded blue jeans and boots.

She normally shops at Kmart, Old Time Pottery, Kroger, Stones River Mall and The Avenue Murfreesboro.

Smith is an insulin-dependent diabetic and family members are worried about their loved one's health the longer she goes without her routine treatments.

"She usually takes her medicine in the morning before she eats," said David Barnes. "This is going on three consecutive days, and it's getting to the point of being dangerous."

Without medication, Smith could become disoriented or, worse, go into a diabetic shock, he said.

"She was a good person," he continued. "If she sensed that someone needed help, she would have offered it. But there are hundreds of cars that go up and down Rutherford Boulevard at 2 in the afternoon. Someone had to have seen something."

http://dnj.midsouthnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071210/NEWS01/712100312/1002

[The Kitchen Guy]

Police: Man was driving missing woman's vehicle

DNJ staff reports

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The video shows what appears to be a man parking Smith’s vehicle, get a bike out of the trunk and bike away.

Anyone with information regarding the whereabouts of Smith or the man who was seen leaving her car is asked to contact police at 615-893-1311.

http://dnj.midsouthnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071208/NEWS01/71208009

This is a very disturbing development.

[Grande]

This is a very disturbing development.

Agreed!

[Grande]

Person Of Interest Sought In Disappearance Case
Posted: Dec 10, 2007 04:34 PM CST

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. - Authorities continued the search for a 69-year-old woman who vanished Thursday while shopping.

Marsilene Smith was last seen shopping Thursday afternoon in Murfreesboro.

Murfreesboro police found her Lincoln Navigator in a Wal-Mart parking lot on South Rutherford Boulevard Friday morning.

Police are searching for a man they call a person of interest. Store surveillance video shows him driving her sports utility vehicle in the parking lot. The unknown man is also shown pulling out a bicycle from the trunk and riding away.

Smith's husband Glover Smith reported her missing when she didn't return home by nightfall.

Police also want to speak to witnesses who may help identify the man.

A couple seen in surveillance video riding in a nearby vehicle told police they didn't see the man. "Time is against us," said Maj. Clyde Atkinson of the Murfreesboro Police Department.

Anyone with information with this case or know the pair who may have spotted the man in Smith's Lincoln Navigator.

Smith's relatives spent the weekend handing out fliers and canvassing the area where she was last seen.

Police are also looking through surveillance video from nearby stores for clues.

Anyone with information about Smith is asked to call the Murfreesboro Police Department at 893-1311 or the department's Criminal Investigations Division at 893-2717.

Murfreesboro police plan to launch an aerial search Tuesday morning if the weather cooperates.

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=7477297

[Grande]

Missing woman’s cell phone found
Daily News Journal (subscription), TN - 10 minutes ago

Authorities located the cell phone of Marcelene Smith this afternoon off Barfield Crescent Road, Murfreesboro Police spokesman Kyle Evans said.

The phone was discovered by the police department, Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and U.S. Marshal Service, who are assisting local authorities in the search for Smith, a 69-year-old Murfreesboro woman who has been missing since Thursday.

There was no other evidence or clues around the phone, Evans said.

“Although there wasn’t a lot of new information in finding the cell phone, the case doesn’t end here. We’re continuing to investigate all avenues,” he said.

Smith’s husband reported her missing around 6 p.m. Thursday when she did not return home. She left her 406 Village Green home in the Barfield community about 1:30 p.m. that day to go shopping, he said.

Smith is an insulin-dependent diabetic and family members are worried about their loved one’s health the longer she goes without her routine treatments. Without medication, Smith could become disoriented or, worse, go into a diabetic shock, according to family members.

Smith is 5-foot-4, weighs about 139 pounds and has short, strawberry blond hair and blue eyes. She was wearing a blue jean jacket, faded blue jeans and black shoes.

Anyone with information is encouraged to call the Murfreesboro Police Department at 615-893-1311 or Crime Stoppers at 615-893-STOP.

[Pauli]

This lady lives about 20 miles from me...

[Grande]

This lady lives about 20 miles from me...

Geesh, I had no idea.

What a tragedy.

[Pauli]

I didn't know anything about it until I saw it on the news this morning. I haven't seen much news lately..

[Pauli]

Daughter of missing woman makes impassioned plea
By TURNER HUTCHENS
trhutchens@dnj.com (trhutchens@dnj.com)

— Turner Hutchens, 615-278-5161


The family of a missing woman is renewing calls for the public's help in finding an unidentified man seen riding a bicycle away from the woman's car. In a press conference Tuesday in the parking lot of the Rutherford Boulevard Wal-Mart, where the woman's car was found, LeAnn Barnes pleaded for help in finding her 69-year-old mother, Marcelene Smith.

LeAnn Barnes, left, the daughter of Marcelene Smith, BarnesÕ daughter, Christina, center, and sister-in-law Debbie Barnes hold a press conference about SmithÕs disappearance Tuesday. Her vehicle was found in the Wal-Mart parking lot on
It was the second such family press conference since Sunday, when family members gathered media at Barfield School and distributed fliers describing Smith.

Barnes asked again for the public's help to identify a man seen riding a bicycle away from her mother's Lincoln Navigator sports utility vehicle around 2:30 p.m. Thursday, the afternoon she went missing.

"I beg you, viewers, be my eyes and ears," she said.

A man pulled a bicycle from Smith's SUV around 2:30 p.m. Dec. 6, the day she went missing. Police are looking for the man with the bicycle.

A Wal-Mart parking lot surveillance video released by police shows a man parking Smith's vehicle, then get a bike out of the trunk of the SUV before biking south.
"Please, watch the video again," Barnes said.

She said that the man on the bicycle could be the key to finding out what happened to her mother. The man's features are difficult to make out on the video because of the distance across the parking lot from the camera.

A couple seen on video following the SUV into the parking lot that afternoon before entering the store contacted police after a public plea Monday, but were unable to offer any useful information, Murfreesboro Police Spokesman Kyle Evans said.

"When that door closed, it allowed us to go down other avenues of investigation," he said. "We're still looking through video tape. We're still following any lead we can."

Evans said he couldn't confirm statements by the family that a helicopter had been used Tuesday to aid in the search for the missing woman.

"We're not giving up on this," he said.

Smith's husband reported her missing around 6 p.m. Thursday when she did not return home. She left her 406 Village Green home in the Barfield community about 1:30 p.m. that day to go shopping, he said.

Detectives have not disclosed what, if anything, was found inside Smith's vehicle, which the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation examined for evidence on Friday.

Smith is an insulin-dependent diabetic and family members are worried about their loved one's health the longer she goes without her routine treatments. Without medication, Smith could become disoriented or, worse, go into a diabetic shock, according to family members.

Smith is 5-foot-4, weighs about 139 pounds and has short, strawberry blond hair and blue eyes. She was wearing a blue jean jacket, faded blue jeans and black shoes.

Anyone with information about the man who rode a bicycle away from Smith's vehicle is encouraged to call the Murfreesboro Police Department at 615-893-1311 or Crime Stoppers at 615-893-STOP.


http://dnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071212/NEWS01/712120325/1002

[Pauli]

Video interview with husband

Link
http://www.wsmv.com/video/14803116/index.html

[Audie]

Barfield Crescent Rd is a little over 5 miles long. Does anyone know where her cell phone was found on that road? A cross street or anything? I'm wondering if it was found on Barfield Crescent between Schoolside and Church.

The places that she shopped at including the WalMart, where her car was found, are NE of her home, across I-24. Barfield Crescent Rd mostly goes toward the SW except the short stretch I described above.

I'm going to assume that to get to those shopping areas she would go south from Village Green Circle on Schoolside St. Then east on either Innsbrooke Blvd or Barfield Crescent Rd to S Church St (US 231). Then north on S Church St, under I-24 and then it depends on where she was headed.

Right after you go under I-24 she could turn right on Rutherford and go NW to Walmart. About 6.5 miles from her home if she used Innsbrooke (11 min according to mapquest). A little further if she used Barfield Crescent Rd.

Was her husband at home when she left? I assume so, since they know she left 1:30. So then she wasn't jacked at home, unless he was asleep or something. JMO

[Audie]

The timeline is only an hour, so if she was killed (I pray thats not the case), I think he didn't have much time to do anything but dump her somewhere close that is secluded (daytime). Only time to dump her in water or on the ground and maybe cover her with leaves and/or branches. Then he would have to go get the bike and then to WalMart. JMO

[Grande]

Barfield Crescent Rd is a little over 5 miles long. Does anyone know where her cell phone was found on that road? A cross street or anything? I'm wondering if it was found on Barfield Crescent between Schoolside and Church.

I don't know at this point, it has not been stated in the media reports as far as I can tell.

The places that she shopped at including the WalMart, where her car was found, are NE of her home, across I-24. Barfield Crescent Rd mostly goes toward the SW except the short stretch I described above.

Based on the following statements she may have not made it to Walmart;

"Wal-Mart parking lot surveillance video shows that Marcelene Smith, 69, was not in her Lincoln Navigator sports utility vehicle when it was left in the parking lot on South Rutherford Boulevard Thursday."

"The video shows what appears to be a man parking Smith’s vehicle, get a bike out of the trunk and bike away"

Source: http://dnj.midsouthnews.com/apps/pbc...EWS01/71208009

It could be that she was abducted closer to her home and the perp drove the vehicle to Walmart perhaps because it was near his home or because it is an area familiar to him.

I'm going to assume that to get to those shopping areas she would go south from Village Green Circle on Schoolside St. Then east on either Innsbrooke Blvd or Barfield Crescent Rd to S Church St (US 231). Then north on S Church St, under I-24 and then it depends on where she was headed.

Right after you go under I-24 she could turn right on Rutherford and go NW to Walmart. About 6.5 miles from her home if she used Innsbrooke (11 min according to mapquest). A little further if she used Barfield Crescent Rd.

Was her husband at home when she left? I assume so, since they know she left 1:30. So then she wasn't jacked at home, unless he was asleep or something. JMO

I will look at the maps and familiarize myself with the region. I assume her husband was home when she left. I agree it would appear as if she was abducted after she left. Are there any rural shopping centers where there would be limited witnesses and activity? A gas station perhaps.

BBL, with more relevant information if possible.

[Grande]

Audi, Very short timeline indeed;

"She was a good person," he continued. "If she sensed that someone needed help, she would have offered it. But there are hundreds of cars that go up and down Rutherford Boulevard at 2 in the afternoon. Someone had to have seen something."

http://dnj.midsouthnews.com/apps/pbc...712100312/1002

This leads me to believe her vehicle was abandoned at around '2 in the afternoon'.

According to all the other reports she left her house at 1:30, which leaves a half an hour to an hour as you had stated.

Again, I need to look at the satellite images to get a better perspective. Thanks for your help!

[Grande]

Audie,

I concur, appx. 5.5 miles to Walmart where the vehicle was abandoned. http://i12.tinypic.com/6og4p4j.jpg

There is a river or creek just North West of her home as seen here> http://i10.tinypic.com/7wyqmfp.jpg but that seems to be it for water. My instincts tell me the corner of Church & Rutherford as seen here; http://i15.tinypic.com/6juq7fk.jpg might be a good place to look for potential witnesses/evidence. I would definitely be interested in the patch of woods on the North West Corner of the intersection!

[Audie]

Smith home
406 Village Green Cir

Barfield Elem School
350 Barfield Crescent Rd

Walmart
2900 S Rutherford Blvd

Cell Phone found
Barfield Crescent Road

Kmart
1266 Nw Broad St

Old Time Pottery
906 Park Ave

Stones River Mall
1720 Old Fort Parkway

The Avenue Murfreesboro
2615 Medical Center Pkwy

Kroger
2325 Memorial Blvd
831 S Tennessee Blvd
1776 W Northfield Blvd

[Grande]

Oops, I totally forgot about the cell phone. Thanks.

[Grande]

Very odd. It does appear as though she may have been South West of her home given the location her phone was found. It would appear as though something occurred there and then the POI took the vechile and left it in the Walmart parking lot. She may have been very close to her home when she was abducted.

I did note the river that runs through Barfield Cresent road and along Barfield all the way to Church St.. That is a scary proposition, imo.

Here are some updated images of some of the areas of interest;
http://i12.tinypic.com/6y02t0y.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/6z5s76u.jpg
http://i3.tinypic.com/6jpkyuo.jpg

There is a Dollar General, Walgreens & Eckerds at the intersection of S. Church St. and Barfield Cresent Rd. Just north of where her cell phone was discovered.

[Grande]

Kroger & Walgreen's in relation to the Smith residence & the location the cell phone was discovered.

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[Grande]

Kroger & Walgreen's in relation to the Smith residence & the location the cell phone was discovered.

http://i7.tinypic.com/879m71h.jpg

There's also a Dollar General & an Eckerd Pharmacy in between the Kroger & Walgreens.

[Pauli]

Audie,

I concur, appx. 5.5 miles to Walmart where the vehicle was abandoned. http://i12.tinypic.com/6og4p4j.jpg

There is a river or creek just North West of her home as seen here> http://i10.tinypic.com/7wyqmfp.jpg but that seems to be it for water. My instincts tell me the corner of Church & Rutherford as seen here; http://i15.tinypic.com/6juq7fk.jpg might be a good place to look for potential witnesses/evidence. I would definitely be interested in the patch of woods on the North West Corner of the intersection!


There is not much water in that area at all, just a few creeks here and there.. I forgot about the river too.

ETA... it's not a big river.. not very wide or deep to the best of my knowledge.

[Pauli]

Audie,

I concur, appx. 5.5 miles to Walmart where the vehicle was abandoned. http://i12.tinypic.com/6og4p4j.jpg

There is a river or creek just North West of her home as seen here> http://i10.tinypic.com/7wyqmfp.jpg but that seems to be it for water. My instincts tell me the corner of Church & Rutherford as seen here; http://i15.tinypic.com/6juq7fk.jpg might be a good place to look for potential witnesses/evidence. I would definitely be interested in the patch of woods on the North West Corner of the intersection!


Traffic wise that is a pretty busy area. It's the main Hwy from M'boro leading South to Shelbyville and the smaller surrounding towns. There has been quite a bit of new home construction in that whole area.

[Pauli]

Barfield Crescent Rd is a little over 5 miles long. Does anyone know where her cell phone was found on that road? A cross street or anything? I'm wondering if it was found on Barfield Crescent between Schoolside and Church.

The places that she shopped at including the WalMart, where her car was found, are NE of her home, across I-24. Barfield Crescent Rd mostly goes toward the SW except the short stretch I described above.

I'm going to assume that to get to those shopping areas she would go south from Village Green Circle on Schoolside St. Then east on either Innsbrooke Blvd or Barfield Crescent Rd to S Church St (US 231). Then north on S Church St, under I-24 and then it depends on where she was headed.

Right after you go under I-24 she could turn right on Rutherford and go NW to Walmart. About 6.5 miles from her home if she used Innsbrooke (11 min according to mapquest). A little further if she used Barfield Crescent Rd.

Was her husband at home when she left? I assume so, since they know she left 1:30. So then she wasn't jacked at home, unless he was asleep or something. JMO


In M'Boro.. there are 2 Walmarts. She probably would have gone to the one on her side of town if she was heading out to shop. It's near Old Time Pottery and the other stores and the malls she liked to shop at.. That one is at 200 Old Fort Parkway. She would probably leave her home and go towards the church where her cell was found, the opposite direction from Church St. There is a backroad that turns to the right, it's called N Barfield Rd. You would go to Hwy 99 (Salem Pike), turn Rt. and then up to Hwy 96 (old ft pky) there are a bunch of shopping centers there. By taking the back way she would miss all the heavy traffic.

Around the N Barfield/Salem Pike area is kinda rural looking in areas. I could make a little trip over that way this weekend and get pix if you want.

[Pauli]

Missing woman's daughter begs for info on bicyclist
By Lisa Marchesoni - Dec. 11, 2007 - 2:52 PM

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/photos/Full8110.jpghttp://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/photos/Full8110.jpg A missing woman’s daughter pleaded for information about an older man riding a bicycle removed from her mother’s Lincoln Navigator at 2:30 p.m. Thursday at Wal-Mart on Rutherford Boulevard.

Marsilene Smith, 69, who lives behind Kroger’s on South Church Street, was reported missing last Thursday. Her Lincoln Navigator was found about one hour later at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart videotape showed an older man retrieved a bicycle from the back of the vehicle and rode toward Applebee’s.

During a press conference Tuesday, Smith’s daughter, Lee Ann Barnes, flanked by her daughter, Christina, sister-in-law Debbie Barnes and friends, distributed a flyer with her mother’s photograph and the bicyclist’s grainy photograph. Locating the man on the bicycle will hopefully lead to her mother, she said.

Click here to download flyer (http://www.murfreesboropost.com/photos/File875.pdf)
Click here to see a larger version of the bike photo (http://www.murfreesboropost.com/photos/File876.jpg)

“I beg you viewers, be my eyes and ears today,” Barnes said. “Help us find this individual. Keep us in your prayers.”
She described the bicyclist as an older white man wearing a dark cap and tan jacket. The bicycle appeared to be a girl’s or woman’s bicycle. She hopes someone who saw the man riding the bicycle will recognize him and call police with information. The bicycle was not her mother’s bicycle and she didn’t know why the bicycle was inside her mother’s SUV.

“We do think he might have some details,” Barnes said of the bicyclist, adding he might have contacts with someone who knows about her disappearance. “I don’t know where she is.”

She and other family members distributed flyers with different photographs of her mother Saturday, Sunday and Monday in hopes someone might recognize her and have information about her whereabouts. “I do anything I can,” Barnes said while trying to keep her composure. Tennessee Highway Patrol’s pilot and helicopter conducted an aerial search Tuesday of the Barfield community while uniformed officers and detectives searched on the ground. Barnes said Murfreesboro Police are “doing an excellent job.”

People who have information about the bicyclist or Smith’s disappearance may call the Criminal Investigations Division at 893-2717, Murfreesboro Police Department’s communications center at 893-1311 or Crime Stoppers at 893-STOP.

http://www.murfreesboropost.com/news.php?viewStory=8110

[Pauli]

Very odd. It does appear as though she may have been South West of her home given the location her phone was found. It would appear as though something occurred there and then the POI took the vechile and left it in the Walmart parking lot. She may have been very close to her home when she was abducted.

I did note the river that runs through Barfield Cresent road and along Barfield all the way to Church St.. That is a scary proposition, imo.

Here are some updated images of some of the areas of interest;
http://i12.tinypic.com/6y02t0y.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/6z5s76u.jpg
http://i3.tinypic.com/6jpkyuo.jpg

There is a Dollar General, Walgreens & Eckerds at the intersection of S. Church St. and Barfield Cresent Rd. Just north of where her cell phone was discovered.

If you look at your 3rd pix..past your yellow pin.. you will see an upside down triangle. In the middle of that triangle sits a church, I am assuming that's where the phone was found.

[Grande]

Thanks HO.

The media reports stated her vehicle was found at the Walmart on Randolph Rd.. I am particularly interested in the apartment complexes accross the street. I firmly believe the vehicle was left there out of convenience. I will post some better images of the area surrounding Walmart.

[Grande]

Area surrounding Walmart on Randolph Rd. where Marsilene's vehicle was discovered;

http://i8.tinypic.com/6khvm2q.jpg
http://i8.tinypic.com/87kuqsj.jpg
http://i11.tinypic.com/7x3giee.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/817dh0x.jpg

[Pauli]

Thanks HO.

The media reports stated her vehicle was found at the Walmart on Randolph Rd.. I am particularly interested in the apartment complexes accross the street. I firmly believe the vehicle was left there out of convenience. I will post some better images of the area surrounding Walmart.


I know the vehicle was at Randolph Rd, but according to her family she always shopped at the one on Old Ft Pky... I am thinking that she headed toward her regular shopping place and was somehow stopped along the way. Perhaps the person with the bike was having a problem of some sort. Maybe someone she knew.. she could have been going to give him a ride somewhere and that's how the bike got in her vehicle. That person then drove to the other Walmart where she didn't shop, possibly in hopes they would not find the vehicle as quickly.

[Grande]

She left her home at 1:30 and her vehicle was discovered around 2:00 at the Walmart 5.5 miles away. Her phone was discovered South of Walgreen’s & Kroger on Barfield Crescent Rd. as seen here; http://i7.tinypic.com/879m71h.jpg. Both Walmart’s are in the opposite direction. This coupled with the very short timeline suggests to me she was probably at one of the aforementioned locations or that general vicinity near Barfield Crescent Rd. when she was allegedly abducted.

Points of interest;
http://i12.tinypic.com/6y02t0y.jpg.

[Pauli]

I am really wondering if her husbands time of when she left is not off...

[Grande]

I am really wondering if her husbands time of when she left is not off...

Could be. I would imagine they have done the cell phone triangulation analysis to determine when she left her home and the general area she was in and when.

Very frustrating not knowing...

[SJB]

I drove over to Murfreesboro yesterday just to look around all the areas that have been mentioned in the meida. I started at Marsilenes house. It seems to be one of those 55+ communities? It's also considered a private community, however it's not gated. It's just marked with a sign as you drive into the circle. I drove Village Green circle and noticed mainly elderly people in the area. The whole neighborhood, from Schoolside DR all the way down to Village Green Circle was a very quiet, well kept area. I found Marsilenes home and was kind of surprised that there were no cars or no signs of anyone at all being home. I guess I imagined there being lots of cars, family and friends, etc there but there wasn't a single car. The blinds were closed and as I said, it appeared as if no one was home.

I also noticed that all of the homes there have double car garages. It seemed most everyone parked in their garages. I know in some communities that's a requirement. However, with her SUV being pretty long I wondered if it would fit inside. But, if it did fit inside the garage then my theory of someone maybe snatching her as she was getting in her car would be "out the window" if she normally got into her car from INSIDE the garage, and then backed out.

The second thing that I noticed was that her home is the second home just as you enter the circle and someone would have had to have been really bold to snatch in her broad day light from the driveway as there are at least 10-25 homes that could have seen it happening. Her home is visibile to traffic going up and down her own street for quite a ways in both directions. Plus, there is a street that turns to the left just in front of her house and all of those houses would have a clear view of her home as well.

After I left her house I drove down to the church where LE stated they found the phone nearby. It's not far from her home at all. And, no disrespect to anyone who may live nearby the church but the area immediately surrounding the church looked a little rough. Small, run down homes, and old, old, mobile homes dotted the neighborhood. I wondered if maybe the person who took her lived nearby. However, if he did...he would have had a long trek back on that bike. Unless, he had a car someplace else that he rode to from the Walmart parking lot.

After leaving the church area I drove up and down Barfield Crescent and Barfield looking for anything that seemed like a good place not to be seen. There are several roads that lead off the main road, but they were muddy, very narrow roads and because I was in a car I didn't go down them. There are also alot of 4 wheeler paths around that area so there were fresh tire tracks every where.

There is a creek that runs along the road too, (with a bridge just before the church) and even though it appears to be relatively fast moving in places, it's also very shallow in places as well. Lots of debri (natural stuff, like sticks, logs, etc) too. So, if something or someone was in there I would think that the debri would have stopped the travel.

After I left Marsilenes area I went to Old Time Pottery and looked around there. I noticed they didn't have any surveilance cameras out in the parking lot. The only cameras nearby are the ones for Verizon and they were only at the entry ways and didnt seem to have the range to get anyone who wasn't walking in and out of that building (Verizon).

We know Walmart had surveilance so I didn't go there...and I forgot to check at Kroger, but I'm assuming they probably do as well.

I wish LE would release more information about the vehicle, for instance were the tires muddy? I know mine were. I drove down one road because there is a specific area that really piqued my interest. But, I turned around fearing I would get stuck. I have a Jeep 4x4 that I may go back over there in and check out the area again. But, I'm waiting for my girlfriend to be available to go with me because once I get to the area I want to see, I won't be visible from the main road.

I really wish the family would call for a volunteer search. IMO, the flyers were great for the first 48 hours, but at this point I think we can safely assume she's not walking around anywhere that someone is going to see her. In my sisters case, LE conducted a search looking for my sister using dogs, and planes and all kinds of things. But, they came up with nothing. Two days later my friends and family organized a search party of our own and found my sister in about an hour. She was approximately 300 yards away, lying in a field.

I guess that's why I feel such an urgency to search. She could be out there but because of LE limited resources and restrictions regarding search warrants they can only do so much. If they would release more about where she MIGHT be or where she might have BEEN at least those of us who want to look can go on our own and do so.

For Marsilenes family. :1222423:

SJB
Amy Mullins 1968-2007

[Grande]

I drove over to Murfreesboro yesterday just to look around all the areas that have been mentioned in the meida. I started at Marsilenes house. It seems to be one of those 55+ communities? It's also considered a private community, however it's not gated. It's just marked with a sign as you drive into the circle. I drove Village Green circle and noticed mainly elderly people in the area. The whole neighborhood, from Schoolside DR all the way down to Village Green Circle was a very quiet, well kept area. I found Marsilenes home and was kind of surprised that there were no cars or no signs of anyone at all being home. I guess I imagined there being lots of cars, family and friends, etc there but there wasn't a single car. The blinds were closed and as I said, it appeared as if no one was home.

I also noticed that all of the homes there have double car garages. It seemed most everyone parked in their garages. I know in some communities that's a requirement. However, with her SUV being pretty long I wondered if it would fit inside. But, if it did fit inside the garage then my theory of someone maybe snatching her as she was getting in her car would be "out the window" if she normally got into her car from INSIDE the garage, and then backed out.

The second thing that I noticed was that her home is the second home just as you enter the circle and someone would have had to have been really bold to snatch in her broad day light from the driveway as there are at least 10-25 homes that could have seen it happening. Her home is visibile to traffic going up and down her own street for quite a ways in both directions. Plus, there is a street that turns to the left just in front of her house and all of those houses would have a clear view of her home as well.

After I left her house I drove down to the church where LE stated they found the phone nearby. It's not far from her home at all. And, no disrespect to anyone who may live nearby the church but the area immediately surrounding the church looked a little rough. Small, run down homes, and old, old, mobile homes dotted the neighborhood. I wondered if maybe the person who took her lived nearby. However, if he did...he would have had a long trek back on that bike. Unless, he had a car someplace else that he rode to from the Walmart parking lot.

After leaving the church area I drove up and down Barfield Crescent and Barfield looking for anything that seemed like a good place not to be seen. There are several roads that lead off the main road, but they were muddy, very narrow roads and because I was in a car I didn't go down them. There are also alot of 4 wheeler paths around that area so there were fresh tire tracks every where.

There is a creek that runs along the road too, (with a bridge just before the church) and even though it appears to be relatively fast moving in places, it's also very shallow in places as well. Lots of debri (natural stuff, like sticks, logs, etc) too. So, if something or someone was in there I would think that the debri would have stopped the travel.

After I left Marsilenes area I went to Old Time Pottery and looked around there. I noticed they didn't have any surveilance cameras out in the parking lot. The only cameras nearby are the ones for Verizon and they were only at the entry ways and didnt seem to have the range to get anyone who wasn't walking in and out of that building (Verizon).

We know Walmart had surveilance so I didn't go there...and I forgot to check at Kroger, but I'm assuming they probably do as well.

I wish LE would release more information about the vehicle, for instance were the tires muddy? I know mine were. I drove down one road because there is a specific area that really piqued my interest. But, I turned around fearing I would get stuck. I have a Jeep 4x4 that I may go back over there in and check out the area again. But, I'm waiting for my girlfriend to be available to go with me because once I get to the area I want to see, I won't be visible from the main road.

I really wish the family would call for a volunteer search. IMO, the flyers were great for the first 48 hours, but at this point I think we can safely assume she's not walking around anywhere that someone is going to see her. In my sisters case, LE conducted a search looking for my sister using dogs, and planes and all kinds of things. But, they came up with nothing. Two days later my friends and family organized a search party of our own and found my sister in about an hour. She was approximately 300 yards away, lying in a field.

I guess that's why I feel such an urgency to search. She could be out there but because of LE limited resources and restrictions regarding search warrants they can only do so much. If they would release more about where she MIGHT be or where she might have BEEN at least those of us who want to look can go on our own and do so.

For Marsilenes family. :1222423:

SJB
Amy Mullins 1968-2007

WOW SJB I admire your determination, THANK YOU!

So you did go to the Walgreen's and take a right onto Barfield Crescent? That is the area I suspect she went first based on the timeline. We know she left her home at appx. 1:30pm. Sometime between 2:00pm & 3:00pm (probably closer to 2:00 from what I understand) her vehicle ends up at the Walmart on Randolph Rd. 5.5 miles from her house in the opposite direction (Appx. 10-15 minute drive). This leaves very little time for shopping let alone an abduction and disposal of evidence. The disposal of evidence would have been very hasty, perhaps under a bridge or in a wooded area.

Well, thank you very much I am very grateful to have your first hand account it helps to put things into perspective. I am particularly interested in the area from Marsilene's house down to the Walgreen's and then onto Barfield Crescent Rd. where her phone was found.

[Audie]

Marsilene calls her husband at 1:30 pm Thursday Dec 6 to say she is going Christmas shopping around town.

Last seen shopping at K-mart or Old Time Pottery.

Someone abandons her vehicle at approx 2:30 pm at the Rutherford Blvd walmart.

Her husband reports her missing at about 6 or 6:30 pm.

Her vehicle is found at 7 am the next morning, Friday Dec 7, by LE.

Her cell phone is found Tuesday night, Dec 11, on Barfield-Crescent Road near Barfield Baptist Church.

This is the first time I've read that she called her husband. Most reports say she left home at 1:30. That tells me that he wasn't home then. :0009:
http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=7464259&nav=menu374_1

[SJB]

WOW SJB I admire your determination, THANK YOU!

So you did go to the Walgreen's and take a right onto Barfield Crescent? That is the area I suspect she went first based on the timeline. We know she left her home at appx. 1:30pm. Sometime between 2:00pm & 3:00pm (probably closer to 2:00 from what I understand) her vehicle ends up at the Walmart on Randolph Rd. 5.5 miles from her house in the opposite direction (Appx. 10-15 minute drive). This leaves very little time for shopping let alone an abduction and disposal of evidence. The disposal of evidence would have been very hasty, perhaps under a bridge or in a wooded area.

Well, thank you very much I am very grateful to have your first hand account it helps to put things into perspective. I am particularly interested in the area from Marsilene's house down to the Walgreen's and then onto Barfield Crescent Rd. where her phone was found.

Hi Grande,

Yes, I did take a right onto Barfield Crescent at the Walgreens. I drove behind the Walgreens too and they had the typical dumpsters there behind the cinderblock/walled in area. The area behind the Walgreens is a pretty narrow drive. I would think that if you were driving back there and another car was approaching from the opposite direction both cars would have to kind of scoot over to be able to pass one another.

The road from Walgreens down to Marsilenes house has homes on the right side all the way down to Schoolside (the road you turn on to get to Village Green Circle). The left side of the road has some open field and businesses and some construction as well if I recall correctly. Between the Walgreens and her turn off onto Schoolside DR I really didn't see anything that looked like an opportune place for someone to force someone out of a car without being noticed. However, there is a baseball/recreation park a little further down Bar-Crescent that was virtually empty when I drove through it. The only opportunity I saw there was that the person that took the SUV could have forced her out of the vehicle and into one of the restrooms to avoid being seen. The ONE restroom that was furthest away and the one I really wanted to go into and check out (both mens and womens) had a car parked close by. So, I didn't go in. There's also a walking trail near that bathroom so I thought maybe the person who owned the vehicle could be on the trail.

But, that being said...as you enter the park there is a maintenance office on the right, and there seemed to be some activity in there. So, I'm thinking that the maintenance people maybe check those facilities on a daily basis ( I hope ) which would rule out the possibility of her being in there.

There is ALOT of wooded area on Bar Crescent, and Barfield. Plus, just before the church there is a small bridge that crosses the creek. Someone could have pulled off there and dumped stuff, that's a possibility. I also thought, maybe the guy pulled over on the bridge and made her jump. It wouldn't be a long jump for a younger person, although they would still likely get hurt because the water is very shallow in that area...maybe 3-4 ft deep. An elderly person making that jump would surely be injured...not to mention the temperature of the water. But, the oncoming traffic from both directions would be able to see a person stopped on that bridge so, who knows? I wanted to park, get out and look over but the bridge didn't have much of a shoulder and there seems to be alot of traffic through there. When I go back with the Jeep, I'm going to park off the road and walk down under the bridge.

I totally agree with you in that she had very little shopping time if the time she left home was reported correctly. Even though the Kroger is close to her house...if she had other shopping to do I would think she would probably go there last so she didn't have to leave refrigerated items (if she was buying them) in the car.

I'll probably go back over there tomorrow, unless it's snowing (we have a slight chance of snow) so if there's anything else inparticular you're interested in let me know and I'll check it out.

SJB
Amy Mullins 1968-2007

[SJB]

Marsilene calls her husband at 1:30 pm Thursday Dec 6 to say she is going Christmas shopping around town.

Last seen shopping at K-mart or Old Time Pottery.

Someone abandons her vehicle at approx 2:30 pm at the Rutherford Blvd walmart.

Her husband reports her missing at about 6 or 6:30 pm.

Her vehicle is found at 7 am the next morning, Friday Dec 7, by LE.

Her cell phone is found Tuesday night, Dec 11, on Barfield-Crescent Road near Barfield Baptist Church.

This is the first time I've read that she called her husband. Most reports say she left home at 1:30. That tells me that he wasn't home then. :0009:
http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=7464259&nav=menu374_1


Hmmm, if she did CALL home and didn't actually LEAVE home at 1:30 pm then that of course changes everything. But, like you...that's the first I've heard of it being a call. I'm skeptical of news reports when it comes to details.

I know in my sisters case there were many, although insignificant details that were mis-reported. Everything from her age, her middle name, where her family was flying in from...things like that. For instance, I live in Tennessee but previously lived in Florida. One of the newspapers reported that "Amy's relatives have flown in from as far away as Alaska, California, Tennessee and Florida". We don't have any family living in Florida anymore, but someone must have said that I lived in Florida at one time, but it surely wasn't me.

Again, I wish LE would come out and clear up these details and at least give a status report. Even if they aren't ready for the publics help yet, they have to know that the whole city and those around the area are very worried about this woman and her family.

SJB
Amy Mullins 1968-2007

[Audie]

Hi SJB,
Could a Navigator pull off at that bridge? When you are on the bridge can you see any homes or businesses?

[SJB]

Hi SJB,
Could a Navigator pull off at that bridge? When you are on the bridge can you see any homes or businesses?

No, ...It wouldn't have been able to pull over completely out of the lane of traffic. I can't remember exactly if there were any houses that could have seen, but someone standing, driving, or parked up near the church at the intersection could have seen someone stopped on the bridge for sure. I'll check it out on my next trip.

But, it looks like the road crews or forestry crews or something have recently cleared along that road and you COULD pull off just before the bridge and drive down almost nearly under the bridge. I know in my Jeep I could probably drive down to the waters edge and get back out without any problem. But, I don't know if her Navigator was 4 wheel drive and I think without it you'd be stuck down there especially given all the rain we've had over the past week. That's another reason why I'd like to know if her SUV had alot of mud on the tires...so we could know if he turned off onto any of those really narrow roads that lead out of sight.

[Pauli]

Marsilene calls her husband at 1:30 pm Thursday Dec 6 to say she is going Christmas shopping around town.

Last seen shopping at K-mart or Old Time Pottery.

Someone abandons her vehicle at approx 2:30 pm at the Rutherford Blvd walmart.

Her husband reports her missing at about 6 or 6:30 pm.

Her vehicle is found at 7 am the next morning, Friday Dec 7, by LE.

Her cell phone is found Tuesday night, Dec 11, on Barfield-Crescent Road near Barfield Baptist Church.

This is the first time I've read that she called her husband. Most reports say she left home at 1:30. That tells me that he wasn't home then. :0009:
http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=7464259&nav=menu374_1


Was she seen at Old Time Pottery that day?

1...The confusing part is if she was seen shopping at OTP why would she drive clear cross town and be in the area of the Walmart where her SUV was found when there is a Walmart within a mile of OTP.

2... If her phone was found at the church on Barfield Crescent it seems she would have disappeard in the area between her house and there before ever going to OTP or on her way home from shopping in that area.

Just for a general idea of the area..
Heading S from I 24..to go to Walgreens/Krogers on Church St. You will come to a stop light and on the rt there is a WT's gas/convenience store. Just behind the WT's is a pizza place and several other small stores in a little strip mall sort of place.

At the light you can only turn rt (W) and that is Barfield Crescent Rd

If you go thru the light (S) you will see Walgreens and Krogers, also on the rt.

If she did not want to take the backroads to OTP and the Walmart in that direction she would have gone N on Church, turned L on Warrior Dr, Rt on New Salem Hwy and LT on Old Fort Pky. Or she could take Church to I24 to Old Fort Pky.

The back way Barfield Crescent, Rt on N Barfield, Lt on New Salem, Rt on Cason and that brings you right to OTP.



Here are my questions.. If she was taken from/near OTP why did this person have a bike with them, they surely did not ride it there. Why did they drive back near her home and get rid of the phone.. and then drive to the other side of town to get rid of her vehicle.

If she was taken in the area of the Walmart where her vehicle was found, this would account for the bike because the person lived close enough in the area to be riding one in the first place. But why did they take her phone all the way to the church on Barfield Crescent instead of disposing it in the area they were in.

3... She called home to say she was going to do more shopping. I would assume she would do it in the area she was already in since there are so many stores there, including a Walmart. What doesn't make sense is the bike, unless there were 2 people involved and they already had a bike in the vehicle when they came upon her. It doesn't make sense where her phone was found, heading back in the direction of her home and the vehicle being in yet another direction.

If she was going to go to Krogers/Walgreen after leaving OTP and that area, the route she would have taken goes right past the Barfield Church. Much less traffic that way, more or less the backroads and it's a shourtcut. That would explain why her phone was found in the area of the church. It could also explain why her vehicle was found at the Walmart on the other side of town.. to maybe point any searches in that direction.

We still have the bike... to me it looks like there could have been 2 people. One waiting down the road to pick up the one that left Walmart on the bike.

I have been sitting here thinking about this today and it baffles the heck out of me.

[SJB]

Was she seen at Old Time Pottery that day?

1...The confusing part is if she was seen shopping at OTP why would she drive clear cross town and be in the area of the Walmart where her SUV was found when there is a Walmart within a mile of OTP.

2... If her phone was found at the church on Barfield Crescent it seems she would have disappeard in the area between her house and there before ever going to OTP or on her way home from shopping in that area.

Just for a general idea of the area..
Heading S from I 24..to go to Walgreens/Krogers on Church St. You will come to a stop light and on the rt there is a WT's gas/convenience store. Just behind the WT's is a pizza place and several other small stores in a little strip mall sort of place.

At the light you can only turn rt (W) and that is Barfield Crescent Rd

If you go thru the light (S) you will see Walgreens and Krogers, also on the rt.

If she did not want to take the backroads to OTP and the Walmart in that direction she would have gone N on Church, turned L on Warrior Dr, Rt on New Salem Hwy and LT on Old Fort Pky. Or she could take Church to I24 to Old Fort Pky.

The back way Barfield Crescent, Rt on N Barfield, Lt on New Salem, Rt on Cason and that brings you right to OTP.



Here are my questions.. If she was taken from/near OTP why did this person have a bike with them, they surely did not ride it there. Why did they drive back near her home and get rid of the phone.. and then drive to the other side of town to get rid of her vehicle.

If she was taken in the area of the Walmart where her vehicle was found, this would account for the bike because the person lived close enough in the area to be riding one in the first place. But why did they take her phone all the way to the church on Barfield Crescent instead of disposing it in the area they were in.

3... She called home to say she was going to do more shopping. I would assume she would do it in the area she was already in since there are so many stores there, including a Walmart. What doesn't make sense is the bike, unless there were 2 people involved and they already had a bike in the vehicle when they came upon her. It doesn't make sense where her phone was found, heading back in the direction of her home and the vehicle being in yet another direction.

If she was going to go to Krogers/Walgreen after leaving OTP and that area, the route she would have taken goes right past the Barfield Church. Much less traffic that way, more or less the backroads and it's a shourtcut. That would explain why her phone was found in the area of the church. It could also explain why her vehicle was found at the Walmart on the other side of town.. to maybe point any searches in that direction.

We still have the bike... to me it looks like there could have been 2 people. One waiting down the road to pick up the one that left Walmart on the bike.

I have been sitting here thinking about this today and it baffles the heck out of me.


Lots of good questions, Harlett. Those are many of the things that are puzzling to me too. If for example he had taken the SUV over at OTP or Walmart or even at Krogers the only reason I can think of him for having gone anywhere near her home is that maybe once he had the keys to her car, he also had the keys to her home. Maybe he was thinking he would go to her home and rob it as well, but then thought better of it not knowing what he would find there, i.e. a family, a spouse etc. And, assuming that was any part of his plan he would have had to be familiar with the area to find her house.

The bike thing confuses me too and leaves alot more questions then answers. My first thought when I saw the part about the bike was that the person who took the SUV might have bought it as a Christmas gift (using MS) cash, or credit or debit cards. Maybe after doing that he got paranoid and dumped the car, hopped on the bike and headed home.

It sure would be helpful to know if Walmart Cameras spotted him loading the bike into the SUV. I just keep thinking there has to be some really good reason that LE haven't released anymore details. They generally tell you if the C.C have been used, bank accounts, etc. And, if they had video of MS on a camera somewhere it seems they would have released that too since sometimes seeing a person in the environment will jar someones memory. But, since they've done none of the above it makes me wonder why.

I've already bugged the Chief police once in an email so I won't push my luck, but I sure would like to know why they aren't releasing any other pertinent details except that video from the parking lot.

[Pauli]

Audie,

I concur, appx. 5.5 miles to Walmart where the vehicle was abandoned. http://i12.tinypic.com/6og4p4j.jpg

There is a river or creek just North West of her home as seen here> http://i10.tinypic.com/7wyqmfp.jpg but that seems to be it for water. My instincts tell me the corner of Church & Rutherford as seen here; http://i15.tinypic.com/6juq7fk.jpg might be a good place to look for potential witnesses/evidence. I would definitely be interested in the patch of woods on the North West Corner of the intersection!


The spot you are wondering about is an open field, used to be horses in there. The woods are quite a ways back from the road. I wouldn't think anyone would chance doing anything there. It's very busy, right across the street is a Krystal on one corner, next to the field is Shoney's, I'm thinking on the other side is a county bus garage, a large gas station, and a couple of other restuarants. A lot of traffic in that aread during the day.

[Pauli]

SJB...

There is very little time frame for much of anything to be done..

If I remember right she had eaten at Cracker Barrel that day, I wish I could find where I read that.. if she did it's right there at church and I24.. in that same area are some motels and another WT's which is a little truckstop, several more gas/convenience stores, restuarants, fireworks store, couple of other little stores. I am wondering what time she was there, if that is correct information, and if that's where the call came from at 1:30 saying she was going to do more shopping.

[Audie]

Was she seen at Old Time Pottery that day?

1...The confusing part is if she was seen shopping at OTP why would she drive clear cross town and be in the area of the Walmart where her SUV was found when there is a Walmart within a mile of OTP.

2... If her phone was found at the church on Barfield Crescent it seems she would have disappeard in the area between her house and there before ever going to OTP or on her way home from shopping in that area.

Just for a general idea of the area..
Heading S from I 24..to go to Walgreens/Krogers on Church St. You will come to a stop light and on the rt there is a WT's gas/convenience store. Just behind the WT's is a pizza place and several other small stores in a little strip mall sort of place.

At the light you can only turn rt (W) and that is Barfield Crescent Rd

If you go thru the light (S) you will see Walgreens and Krogers, also on the rt.

If she did not want to take the backroads to OTP and the Walmart in that direction she would have gone N on Church, turned L on Warrior Dr, Rt on New Salem Hwy and LT on Old Fort Pky. Or she could take Church to I24 to Old Fort Pky.

The back way Barfield Crescent, Rt on N Barfield, Lt on New Salem, Rt on Cason and that brings you right to OTP.



Here are my questions.. If she was taken from/near OTP why did this person have a bike with them, they surely did not ride it there. Why did they drive back near her home and get rid of the phone.. and then drive to the other side of town to get rid of her vehicle.

If she was taken in the area of the Walmart where her vehicle was found, this would account for the bike because the person lived close enough in the area to be riding one in the first place. But why did they take her phone all the way to the church on Barfield Crescent instead of disposing it in the area they were in.

3... She called home to say she was going to do more shopping. I would assume she would do it in the area she was already in since there are so many stores there, including a Walmart. What doesn't make sense is the bike, unless there were 2 people involved and they already had a bike in the vehicle when they came upon her. It doesn't make sense where her phone was found, heading back in the direction of her home and the vehicle being in yet another direction.

If she was going to go to Krogers/Walgreen after leaving OTP and that area, the route she would have taken goes right past the Barfield Church. Much less traffic that way, more or less the backroads and it's a shourtcut. That would explain why her phone was found in the area of the church. It could also explain why her vehicle was found at the Walmart on the other side of town.. to maybe point any searches in that direction.

We still have the bike... to me it looks like there could have been 2 people. One waiting down the road to pick up the one that left Walmart on the bike.

I have been sitting here thinking about this today and it baffles the heck out of me.

A lot of questions, harlett, lol.

1. I agree with you. RE my orig post: I only saw that she was last seen shopping at KM or OTP from the news link posted at Jason Project. Not for sure she was last seen shopping anywhere.
2. No problem with #2, just that he had to have either had the bike with him when he encountered her, got the bike after he encountered her, or got the bike after she was out of the vehicle.
3. The news link says she called her husband. Right now we are not sure where she called from or where he was when she called. Until I read that story, I thought they were both home before she left.

I can only imagine she shopped at one place, if that, and it had to be short. I still think she is very close to home. Y'all?

[Pauli]

That's my feeling too that she's close to home.. if you saw the areas I know you would think even more so. I think the best places to start looking are around the church and in that vicinity.

[SJB]

That's my feeling too that she's close to home.. if you saw the areas I know you would think even more so. I think the best places to start looking are around the church and in that vicinity.

I agree that she's close to home. The place that I wanted to look but had to turn around for fear of getting stuck was just past the church. If you were to take a right at the church (or veer to the right at the fork in the road just before the church) it would put you onto Barfield Rd. Just down the road and past the houses, maybe a 1/4 mile I'm guessing there is a building on your right. There is a gravel drive along side of it that leads to the building which looks to be like some kind of maintenance building. It doesn't have any windows, just a door. There is also some kind of fence around the back of it that was about half open. The fence is sheet metal if IIRC.

There is an open field on the left side of the gravel drive with that black landscaping fence running the length of the field. There is also a "burm" (sp?) just beyond that fencing. If you go down behind that burm (which you could drive to) no one would see you from the road. Also, that creek is also RIGHT there behind the "burm".

This location is less then 5 minutes from her home. I really want to go check it out but it seems like such an obvious place that I keep thinking that LE would have already done that...but maybe not.

[Audie]

snip
had the bike with him when he encountered her,
got the bike after he encountered her,
got the bike after she was out of the vehicle.
snip
I don't usually quote my own posts, but I wanted to say that I don't think he had much time to do either of the last 2 scenarios. Possible, but a higher probability that he had the bike with him when they met. I have one question though. I read a post somewhere where the poster says that they can see tags on the bike wheels. Like it was just bought or something. Does anyone know any more about that?

[Audie]

That's my feeling too that she's close to home.. if you saw the areas I know you would think even more so. I think the best places to start looking are around the church and in that vicinity.ITA. Just looking at mapquest, I'm seeing quite a few places in the church vicinity. Is anyone out searching yet? Besides LE? I know how LE searches and it's usually not very good.

[KMcCann]

I have not heard of any searches at all, from LE or the family...at least none that the media has reported. I am watching constantly.

The reports that I have seen only stated she called her husband around 1:30 and said that she was going shopping...her vehicle is driven into Walmart right around 2:30. Traffic can be hectic in her area, going up Church St to Rutherford (to the Walmart). I think the search in the Walmart area for the guy on the bike was focused too much there...I haven't heard of anything being done in the area of her home or where the phone was found. Very puzzling.

I also have not heard any definite reports that she even made it anywhere to shop, only the places that she regularly shops. The time frame doesn't allow for much. I really think she has to be somewhere close to home.

I've not been all the way back in there...but where the basball fields/playground equipment is, there is even camping areas back in there..I believe you might have to hike to them from the front area somewhere.

I'm new at this, but I feel like there is so much that could be being done...and maybe it is...but the lack of any kind of news is really frustrating.

[SJB]

ITA. Just looking at mapquest, I'm seeing quite a few places in the church vicinity. Is anyone out searching yet? Besides LE? I know how LE searches and it's usually not very good.

When I was out there Friday no one was searching anywhere that I could see. I went up and down Barfield Crescent, and Barfield Rd, and her home.

Here are a couple of maps that I did this morning to show you the area that I've been talking about wanting to search on foot.

Just below the yellow line in this pic is a gravel, turning into mud, driveway and path leading back to that creek, once you drive behind the "burm" I don't think you could be seen.

http://i10.tinypic.com/6lc8cgk.jpg (The yellow line is for reference)

And to get an idea of the distance from the church to the spot I want to look at here's another link with X's marking the distance.

http://i2.tinypic.com/8af768x.jpg

[KMcCann]

Friday afternoon (around 4) is when I was out there driving up and down Barfield Crescent..like you I didn't see anyone..no activity, no media, nothing. I was truly surprised after finding her cell phone out there not to see anyone or anything. That water concerned me.

[Audie]

I agree that she's close to home. The place that I wanted to look but had to turn around for fear of getting stuck was just past the church. If you were to take a right at the church (or veer to the right at the fork in the road just before the church) it would put you onto Barfield Rd. Just down the road and past the houses, maybe a 1/4 mile I'm guessing there is a building on your right. There is a gravel drive along side of it that leads to the building which looks to be like some kind of maintenance building. It doesn't have any windows, just a door. There is also some kind of fence around the back of it that was about half open. The fence is sheet metal if IIRC.

There is an open field on the left side of the gravel drive with that black landscaping fence running the length of the field. There is also a "burm" (sp?) just beyond that fencing. If you go down behind that burm (which you could drive to) no one would see you from the road. Also, that creek is also RIGHT there behind the "burm".

This location is less then 5 minutes from her home. I really want to go check it out but it seems like such an obvious place that I keep thinking that LE would have already done that...but maybe not.I'm looking now on mapquest at the bridge and also trying find the area you are talking about. If I'm going west on BarCres Rd, do I turn right on Barfield Church Rd and go to Barfield Rd and then go 1/4 mile north on Barfield?

Did the Murfreesboro area get snow yesterday?

[KMcCann]

If you turn right onto Barfield Crescent off of S Church St, go approx 4 miles and you will see Barfield Baptist Church. You can either veer off to the right right before the church and then turn right onto Barfield Rd...or you can turn right just past the church and that puts you on Barfield Rd. It is all right there together. Then where sjb is talking about would be a short distance down Barfield from there I believe.

sjb...are you coming back down here today to look around at all?

[SJB]

I'm looking now on mapquest at the bridge and also trying find the area you are talking about. If I'm going west on BarCres Rd, do I turn right on Barfield Church Rd and go to Barfield Rd and then go 1/4 mile north on Barfield?

Did the Murfreesboro area get snow yesterday?

Yes, that's correct Audie. Past the bridge, towards the church, then take a right onto Barfield. There's kind of a "Y" there just before the church. You can go past the church and go right, or take the "Y" and continue onto Barfield Rd.

Not sure if Murfreesboro got snow. My girlfriend is in Cool Springs right now and she said they had really light flurries there as of about 30 minutes ago.

[Audie]

I see perfectly now. I should have checked for the latest posts before posting my question.

Would you know if those buildings are occupied on weekdays during the day? It looks like there are some vehicles parked around there in your pic. Good pic, btw. Is that google or google earth? I've been trying maps.live.com and mapquest. Maps.live uses a very old satellite photo. Mapquest uses a newer photo than maps.live, but yours seems recent and is clearer and zoomed in a bit more.

[Audie]

I think that would be a great place to search, unless people were at that building at that time.

I'm looking at another area that maybe someone could pull off into. Back at the BarCres bridge over the West Fork Stones River. East end .. north side. Did you look at that, SJB? It looks like it goes into the woods maybe 100 or 200 ft and may branch off back to the creek.

[Audie]

Using google earth, I am seeing so many good spots to search from Schoolside and BarCres all the way up Barfield to 99 (SalemPike?).

[SJB]

I think that would be a great place to search, unless people were at that building at that time.

I'm looking at another area that maybe someone could pull off into. Back at the BarCres bridge over the West Fork Stones River. East end .. north side. Did you look at that, SJB? It looks like it goes into the woods maybe 100 or 200 ft and may branch off back to the creek.

Hi Audie,

For those maps I just used google maps, then clicked the satellite view once I had the addresses in. It works pretty well. I also use google earth sometimes, but as I'm sure you've noticed sometimes areas are very clear and you can zoom way in. Then in other areas the terrain is very blurry and you can't zoom in far at all.

But, I've found the easiest is the regular google maps, with the satelllite view.

I THINK I know the area you're talking about...but I'd have to drive over there again to be sure. But, there are several paths cut into the woods where it looked like trucks or off road vehicles have used at one time or another, but most of them were blocked off with either logs, or rocks or some other debri to prevent anyone from passing through there. If you can send me a map picture of the area you're looking at I'll check it out. I thought about going over there today, but I'm not sure I'll make it. If not, hopefully I can tomorrow.

[Audie]

Hi Audie,

For those maps I just used google maps, then clicked the satellite view once I had the addresses in. It works pretty well. I also use google earth sometimes, but as I'm sure you've noticed sometimes areas are very clear and you can zoom way in. Then in other areas the terrain is very blurry and you can't zoom in far at all.

But, I've found the easiest is the regular google maps, with the satelllite view.

I THINK I know the area you're talking about...but I'd have to drive over there again to be sure. But, there are several paths cut into the woods where it looked like trucks or off road vehicles have used at one time or another, but most of them were blocked off with either logs, or rocks or some other debri to prevent anyone from passing through there. If you can send me a map picture of the area you're looking at I'll check it out. I thought about going over there today, but I'm not sure I'll make it. If not, hopefully I can tomorrow.Yea, it depends on the area. One map site will be blurry and another will be clear. I started using that maps.live site, placing pushpins at all of the pertinent locations. Then I realized that the maps weren't that good. Google and google earth seem to be the best for Murfreesboro.

That's the thing. I can't see if there are rocks, logs or gates. That's why reconning areas is so important. And should be done asap so the searches can begin in high probabilty areas. I really wonder what's going on. Is LE dragging their feet? Do they have a suspect that they are watching? Do they know something that they are not releasing, like maybe they know she's not in the area? Interesting that we are not hearing anything from anybody. It's been 10 days now. :0009:

I've never done the map pic thing before. Is it pretty easy?

[Pauli]

ITA. Just looking at mapquest, I'm seeing quite a few places in the church vicinity. Is anyone out searching yet? Besides LE? I know how LE searches and it's usually not very good.

I don't know if anyone is searching yet or not... I grew up in that area and there are a lot of places to look.

[Pauli]

Using google earth, I am seeing so many good spots to search from Schoolside and BarCres all the way up Barfield to 99 (SalemPike?).

There are a lot of areas in that direction to search. That was primarily farm land, some of it still is.

[SJB]

If you turn right onto Barfield Crescent off of S Church St, go approx 4 miles and you will see Barfield Baptist Church. You can either veer off to the right right before the church and then turn right onto Barfield Rd...or you can turn right just past the church and that puts you on Barfield Rd. It is all right there together. Then where sjb is talking about would be a short distance down Barfield from there I believe.

sjb...are you coming back down here today to look around at all?

Hi KM,

Sorry, I missed this post earlier.

I was thinking about going there today, but I have a few things around home I need to take care of first. If not, I'm going to try for tomorrow. Were you thinking of going out to look too?

[Grande]

What are the chances the perp is wearing clothes Marsilene purchased that day? How about the bike? (Probably not likely I suppose) I hadn't heard there were tags visible but I did note that the alleged perp had on what seemed like nice clothing.

Anyone have the Walmart surveillance photos handy?

[Grande]

This is about the largest surveillance images I can find;

http://dnj.midsouthnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071209/NEWS01/712090321/1002

[Grande]

It does look like there's something on the back wheel of the bike;

http://i3.tinypic.com/7ydnsjt.jpg

[Pauli]

I created a website for Marsilene

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/marsilene_smith.html

[KMcCann]

sjb...I had thought about going today...but I haven't been feeling real well...so maybe tomorrow as well.

[KMcCann]

The website is really nice!

[Audie]

I don't know if anyone is searching yet or not... I grew up in that area and there are a lot of places to look.You were the one to suggest that area first I think (and sjb second .. I believe). Either way I agree with you both. Not sure she's there but hi probabilty and no search there yet, so ...

I want to come up there really bad because my hinky meter is really going off on this one, if you know what I mean.

[Audie]

I created a website for Marsilene

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/marsilene_smith.htmlAwesome, Harlett. Every website and media link that keeps this in the public eye helps.

No new updates yet?

[Pauli]

You were the one to suggest that area first I think (and sjb second .. I believe). Either way I agree with you both. Not sure she's there but hi probabilty and no search there yet, so ...

I want to come up there really bad because my hinky meter is really going off on this one, if you know what I mean.

I think you and I may have the same hinky meter....

[Pauli]

The website is really nice!

Awesome, Harlett. Every website and media link that keeps this in the public eye helps.

No new updates yet?

Thanks KM and Audie..

I think that's important to get as much coverage as possible when someone goes missing. You see very little on the local stations about this case

[KMcCann]

I know...it is frustrating to live here and have NO news at all for days. I emailed the Chief of Police and one of the tv stations today asking if they had any new news or if there was possiblity of a search that the community could help with.

[Pauli]

No answer from him? You would think they would be jumping for volunteers for a search.. unless they already know something and are keeping it quiet for now. I have been looking and there has been nothing reported since Dec 12... nothing out of the family either. I hate when something just drops out of the news, how do they expect people to help find this woman when they do that.

[KMcCann]

No answer...I only sent it a bit earlier today.

This is the first one I've ever followed this closely and it is driving me nuts not to have any news or know if something is going on...OR to try to understand why the police or the family aren't doing everything they possibly can to find her.

[Audie]

If Marsilene "let" someone put a bike in her vehicle, it would be for two reasons.
The person was walking the bike or appeared to need help in some way and she stopped and asked him if he wanted ride.
The person approached her for a ride, either at her house or at her first stop and she said okay.
This is based on the facts as we have heard them from her husband. She was trusting. She would help people.
But maybe the facts are not as we have heard them. Or are only partially true. We still don't know if she was home at 1:30. We only know of one person involved. Was there maybe 2 perps? Was her husband involved? Doesn't seem so after hearing his tearful interview. I'm not so sure though. People can be good actors sometimes.
Now if she was jacked, at what point did he put the bike in her vehicle? Did he incapacitate her right there and then put it in? Stop somewhere to pick up the bike?
And why an older man on a girl's bike? All very confusing. I can't believe we haven't heard more by now.

[SJB]

I was searching for anything new on Marsilenes disappearance, and although there is no new NEWS, I did find this article which states that the family is now offering a $10,000 reward for information.

The article was very short and vague. Generally they state that the reward is being offered for the safe return of, or for information leading to the return of...but this just says for information.

At any rate, I hope it turns up something new and leads to Marsilenes whereabouts.

Here is the link to the article I found tonight.

http://www.wsmv.com/news/14875958/detail.html?rss=nash&psp=news

I saw KMcCanns post over on another board which said that the Chief of police said no public search was being planned at this time because they have no focal point for a search. Seems to me anyplace near where they found the phone would be a good place to start. I want to think that they're doing something, but truthfully it feels like they're doing nothing except trying to find the bicycle guy. Maybe that's just me though.

I'm going over tomorrow to search a few areas, but after that I guess I'll just keep sitting here impatiently waiting for news on Marsilene.

For her, her family and friends. :1222423:

[Pauli]

I wrote a letter to the editor of the Daily News Journal there and asked why no information and why no searches.. plus some other things.. Said I should receive a reply within 24 hrs.

[SJB]

I wrote a letter to the editor of the Daily News Journal there and asked why no information and why no searches.. plus some other things.. Said I should receive a reply within 24 hrs.

Thats great, Harlett. If nothing else, maybe between the emails to the Chief of Police and the requests to media they'll get the idea that the public wants and needs to hear what is being done to find Marsilene.

I really wish I had an email address to the family so that I could find out if they would like the publics help in a search. They seem like a very kind, quiet, sweet family and I wonder if maybe they're afraid of stepping out and doing anything on their own for fear of ticking off LE. It's a tight line to walk, by that I mean...doing what you feel is the right thing to do and doing what LE is telling you to do. I know that feeling, all too well.

There's not a person in my family who is afraid to stand up and be heard, so it wasn't a problem for us. But, I know for other families the very opposite could be true.

[Grande]

I was searching for anything new on Marsilenes disappearance, and although there is no new NEWS, I did find this article which states that the family is now offering a $10,000 reward for information.

The article was very short and vague. Generally they state that the reward is being offered for the safe return of, or for information leading to the return of...but this just says for information.

At any rate, I hope it turns up something new and leads to Marsilenes whereabouts.

Here is the link to the article I found tonight.

http://www.wsmv.com/news/14875958/detail.html?rss=nash&psp=news

I saw KMcCanns post over on another board which said that the Chief of police said no public search was being planned at this time because they have no focal point for a search. Seems to me anyplace near where they found the phone would be a good place to start. I want to think that they're doing something, but truthfully it feels like they're doing nothing except trying to find the bicycle guy. Maybe that's just me though.

I'm going over tomorrow to search a few areas, but after that I guess I'll just keep sitting here impatiently waiting for news on Marsilene.

For her, her family and friends. :1222423:


Yep, agreed. A good starting point for a search effort would be the area her phone was found from Church St. on back.

[Grande]

Also from Murfreesboro today;

Woman Identified In Murfreesboro Homicide
(*NOT MARSILENE SMITH*)
Posted: Dec 17, 2007 10:26 AM CST

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. - Investigators sifted through evidence early Monday morning to determine what killed a Rutherford County woman in her home.

Family members found the woman dead in her home on Grassland Drive in Murfreesboro Sunday afternoon.

The woman was identified as 36-year-old Melissa Atkins.

Officials were treating the death as a homicide but would not say what led them to believe so.

Investigators from the TBI, Rutherford County Sheriff's Office worked through the night to process the scene and gather forensic evidence. Crime scene tape was placed over the entire property.

It was unclear what evidence officials were looking for.

Atkins body was taken overnight to the medical examiner's office for an autopsy.

Police said Atkins' 5-year-old son was not home when the alleged homicide happened.

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=7506750

[Audie]

Y'all be careful when you go out there. Best not to be alone. Accidents can happen, dog bites, and if meth labs themselves are not hazardous enough, factor in the people protecting them. Good luck and be safe. Wish I was there to help ya.

[Grande]

Y'all be careful when you go out there. Best not to be alone. Accidents can happen, dog bites, and if meth labs themselves are not hazardous enough, factor in the people protecting them. Good luck and be safe. Wish I was there to help ya.


Good point!

[SJB]

Well, I went over to Murfreesboro today and searched those areas I had posted about before and several others as well. I took my Jeep this time which sits a little higher than average so I had a pretty good vantage point. I didn't get out and do any searching on foot since I was alone. But, I was able to get a good enough look at the areas that were bothering me to at least put my mind at ease knowing that if she is out there she's not some place obvious and visible.

I checked the places on the map that I posted, and under the bridge just before Barfield Baptist Church. The area that looks like the beginning of a drive way or a turn in just before the bridge is blocked off with logs and sticks and isn't accessible by car. But, you can see the end of it and there's just trash and junk piled at the back of it. I walked down under the bridge and didn't see anything there either.

I drove down lots of skinny, muddy, roads that twisted out of sight from the main road but didn't see anything out of the oridnary. I was looking for tire tracks, places where someone might have recently been stuff like that. There was one road that was particularly creepy and I ended up turning around before I got to the end of it because I couldn't see the end, plus it was getting really narrow and the trees and brush were so over grown that it would have hit the sides and top of the jeep. To get to the road you have to cross over a creek and a very old bridge that gives you the feeling that it might not hold. I sat there for about a minute before deciding whether I wanted to cross it or not but I finally did. Since the bridge was so skinny and rickety looking I kind of ruled that out as a place where someone in a panic and in a rush would go.

Also a correction about the Walgreens. I think it was Harlett that asked about the road behind Walgreens. I was thinking it was very narrow back there but that was a different block. The Walgreens on the corner of Church St and Innsbrooke has a very wide 3 lane (I think) pharmacy plus another lane for through traffic. Really no opportunity for anyone to do anything with her there and not be seen.

The Krogers didn't have any parking lot cameras that I could see, but they did have a surveilance camera outside in one of those bubble kind of things over one of the entrances. But, the store has two entrances and I didn't see one on the other entrance (maybe it's inside)?

Old Time Pottery. I had gone there once before and drove around but this time I actually went into the store because I had a return to make. They had Marsilenes missing poster there so I asked the cashier if they had heard anything about her or if she knew if Marsilene had been in the store. I specifically asked if they checked their cameras and she answered that they had checked their sales transactions for that day but didn't find any purchases by Marsilene using a credit card or check.

Oh, Grande...I know you said the area between Church St and her home would be a good area to look. I drove from Marsilenes house to the Kroger through the back roads which go through a couple of subdivisions. The whole area between Krogers and Marsilenes is all homes and yards. Their nice homes with well manicured yards and all fairly close together. So, if she was anywhere in between her home and Krogers I would think that someone would have found her by now.

I guess that's about it. If and until LE releases anything new or calls for a search I don't know where else I could look. The area out there is all farm land and fields around the church and without knowing exactly where the phone was found it's hard to decide where one might go. There are three different directions in which you could travel, so it would be hard to focus on a starting point without LE telling us where to go.

Btw, my Jeep is caked in mud now from all the off road driving. The day Marsilene went missing it was raining and I know it was wet when they found her vehicle the next morning. I don't know if any mud on the vehicle would have washed away or not (it would depend on how wet it was and how far he drove)...but if he did take the navigator off the paved road there's no way he couldn't have left a mud trail for at least a quarter mile from the point he left the road.

[Audie]

Is the Kroger you are talking about, the one on Tennessee Blvd?

[Pauli]

I would assume the one she is talking about is the one on the corner of Church and Barfield Crescent, next to Walgreens.. the TN Blvd one is in the other direction.

[Audie]

Thanks, Harlett. I did a search on walmarts last week, and only Memorial, Tennessee and Northfield came up I think.

[Grande]

Reward offered for info in missing woman case
Wednesday, December 19, 2007
By Brian Mosely

The family of a Murfreesboro woman who disappeared nearly two weeks ago is offering a reward for information concerning her whereabouts.
Marsilene Smith, the 68-year-old mother of Leann Barnes of Shelbyville, was last seen shopping at K-Mart or Old Time Pottery on Dec. 6, but was reported missing by her husband Glover Smith after she did not return home after dark.

The family is offering a $10,000 reward for any clues to her disappearence. They are asking citizens with any information to call Crimestoppers at (615) 893-STOP. Callers can remain anonymous.

Last week, Smith's cell phone was found on Barfield Crescent Road.

Police found Smith's champagne-colored Lincoln Navigator in the Wal-Mart parking lot on South Rutherford Boulevard at 7 a.m. Dec. 7. They are searching for a person of interest -- an unknown man seen was driving the woman's SUV when it was left in the parking lot, according to a surveillance video at Wal-Mart.

The man in question was seen riding a bicycle after leaving Smith's SUV in the parking lot. Anyone who saw the man riding the bike in or around the Wal-Mart parking lot that day is asked to call police.

Smith is insulin dependent and is at risk of going into shock and suffering from disorientation without her medicine, authorities said.

She is described as 5 feet 4 inches tall, 139 pounds, with short brownish red hair, blue eyes with glasses and was last seen wearing a long sleeve top, a blue jean jacket, faded blue jeans, and black zip-up boots.

http://www.t-g.com/story/1298622.html

[familyofmarcie]

Thank you so much for your interest in my mother. I have been searching for my mother in the area where her cell phone was found and where her SUV was found. Other than this, the police have given me no information on where else I might look. We, my friends and family, have obtained detailed maps of the area, including the topography, looking for places that she could have been. I asked police if we could search on ATVs, thinking that we might cover more area faster; but they wouldn't allow it stating that I might disturb their investigation. I just want to find my mother. I also wanted to appeal to farmers and hunters to walk their property in search of my mother, but they did not want me to do that either. I miss my mother and want to find her....
Please help me!!!!!!!!!

[Grande]

Thank you so much for your interest in my mother. I have been searching for my mother in the area where her cell phone was found and where her SUV was found. Other than this, the police have given me no information on where else I might look. We, my friends and family, have obtained detailed maps of the area, including the topography, looking for places that she could have been. I asked police if we could search on ATVs, thinking that we might cover more area faster; but they wouldn't allow it stating that I might disturb their investigation. I just want to find my mother. I also wanted to appeal to farmers and hunters to walk their property in search of my mother, but they did not want me to do that either. I miss my mother and want to find her....
Please help me!!!!!!!!!

familyofMarcie, my thoughts are with you and your family as you seek the answers to your mother's disappearance. Please let me know if there is anything I can do in particular to help facilitate your search efforts.

My heart goes out to you! :1222423:

[Pauli]

Thank you so much for your interest in my mother. I have been searching for my mother in the area where her cell phone was found and where her SUV was found. Other than this, the police have given me no information on where else I might look. We, my friends and family, have obtained detailed maps of the area, including the topography, looking for places that she could have been. I asked police if we could search on ATVs, thinking that we might cover more area faster; but they wouldn't allow it stating that I might disturb their investigation. I just want to find my mother. I also wanted to appeal to farmers and hunters to walk their property in search of my mother, but they did not want me to do that either. I miss my mother and want to find her....
Please help me!!!!!!!!!


familyofmarcie if there is anything at all we can do to help let us know. I live near Shelbyville myself so I am not far away. I can understand what you are going through and my thoughts are with you and your family :1222423:

[SJB]

Thank you so much for your interest in my mother. I have been searching for my mother in the area where her cell phone was found and where her SUV was found. Other than this, the police have given me no information on where else I might look. We, my friends and family, have obtained detailed maps of the area, including the topography, looking for places that she could have been. I asked police if we could search on ATVs, thinking that we might cover more area faster; but they wouldn't allow it stating that I might disturb their investigation. I just want to find my mother. I also wanted to appeal to farmers and hunters to walk their property in search of my mother, but they did not want me to do that either. I miss my mother and want to find her....
Please help me!!!!!!!!!


Hi, I'm glad you found this forum. We are praying for your Mother and your family. If you need help, with anything...please don't hesitate to ask. Many of us are sitting on "go" waiting to do anything we can to help in the search for your Mother.

:1222423:

[WarmNCozy]

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[FocusFactor]

familyofmarcie, LeAnn, I'm glad you came to this forum, and I encourage you to take advantage of the experience and help you will find here.
Several are local and will search (and have).
Don't let the police drop this. Yes, they have their hands already full and will let it slip away without any leads, but to you she is the world.
Organize searches, get publicity and you will get people to come out and help. If you are too overwhelmed to do the organizing, find someone to help you. An organization, a church, a community group.
Walk the woods, walk the fields. She is close. You will find her.
I wish you the best. You have my prayers.

[md0615]

I have been posting in a forum from the DNJ but, like all of ya'll are saying, nothing is happening anymore. I think about this family every day and would do anything to help the family with a search or wherever I could help. Leann, I don't know if you are having ideas about doing a community search, prayer vigil, etc, but if it could be made known to the public, I know there are lots of people close to you that are, like someone had posted earlier, just waiting for the word. Your family is in my family's thoughts and prayers.

[Audie]

So she did have a bike? I'm still suspicious of her husband.

See this forum where someone is posting as her grand daughter.

http://forums.dnj.com/viewtopic.php?t=20216&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30&sid=1ba84fbaa4c0e04859f77692a9bfddf1

[Audie]

I agree with those suggesting that TES should be called by LE or the family. The longer they wait the more the evidence disappears. I hope that if the family calls, that LE will cooperate. Sometimes they don't. See the stories about Donna Jou.

[Pauli]

I missed your post and sent you a link in a PM :serious:

[Audie]

It's been 3 weeks. Where is Marsilene?

[Grande]

Police search for Smith, clues
By BRANDON PUTTBRESE

The search for 69-year-old Marcie Smith, who went missing more than three weeks ago, has gone cold, police said.

The family has gone door-to-door on several occasions, soliciting any information from neighbors and residents who might have seen something, but their efforts have been fruitless. Now, Marcie Smith's husband is offering a $10,000 reward to anyone with information leading to the conviction of the person responsible for Smith's disappearance and the discovery of her body, according to a family member who contacted The DNJ by e-mail.

Glover Smith, the missing woman's husband, declined an interview with The Daily News Journal, saying he wanted to talk with his attorney first. He has not returned followup phone calls from The DNJ.

The family members who held two press conferences following Marcie Smith's disappearance and circulated fliers around town in attempts to locate her have not returned calls or responded to e-mail requests for interviews.

Finding Smith's cell phone off Barfield Crescent Road, about a mile from her home, on Dec. 11 was the last real break in the missing person's investigation, Murfreesboro police spokesman Kyle Evans said. But even the phone offered no useful information to her whereabouts.

"We're still treating this case as a top priority; following up all leads and angles in this investigation," Evans said. "We're hoping someone with information will come forward so we can find Mrs. Smith."

Smith's sports utility vehicle was found Dec. 7 in a Wal-Mart parking lot on Rutherford Boulevard, about seven miles from her Village Green Circle home in south Murfreesboro. Glover Smith reported her missing a day earlier after he said she failed to return from an afternoon shopping trip.

Store surveillance video showed a man pulling a bicycle from the missing woman's vehicle around 2:30 p.m. the day she disappeared, but police say they have been unable to identify the man in the image.

"We still need information about the guy on the bicycle," Evans said.

What's more confusing, police said, is where Smith's cell phone was found.

"It's not on the way between her home and Wal-Mart," Evans said. "It raises the question: How did the phone get there?"

Although police are treating the case as a missing-person investigation, police said, detectives would consider foul play. Unfortunately, there are no conclusions that can be drawn right now because of all the missing puzzle pieces, Evans said.

"There's no evidence to even suggest a crime has occurred," Evans said.

Without any leads, investigators have decided to forego searching the outskirts of Murfreesboro with dogs.

"There's nowhere to start," Evans said.

The Smiths live in a retirement community in the Innsbrooke subdivision off South Church Street. There was no answer at the couple's home Wednesday afternoon.

During a press conference earlier this month, LeAnn Barnes begged people with information about the man on the bicycle to come forward. The man's features are difficult to make out on the video because of the distance across the parking lot from the camera.

Detectives have not disclosed what, if anything, was found inside Smith's vehicle, which the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation examined for evidence.

Smith is an insulin-dependent diabetic and family members are worried about their loved one's health the longer she goes without her routine treatments. Without medication, Smith could become disoriented or, worse, go into a diabetic shock.

Smith is 5-foot-4, weighs about 139 pounds and has short, strawberry blond hair and blue eyes. She was wearing a blue jean jacket, faded blue jeans and black shoes.

Anyone with information about the man who rode a bicycle away from Smith's vehicle is encouraged to call the Murfreesboro Police Department at 615-893-1311 or Crime Stoppers at 615-893-STOP.

http://dnj.midsouthnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071228/NEWS01/712280327/1002

[Pauli]

ok, this jumps out at me

" Without any leads, investigators have decided to forego searching the outskirts of Murfreesboro with dogs."

Why would they not use dogs in the area her phone was found, doesn't make a lick of sense to me at all. At least it would be a starting point.

[FocusFactor]

ok, this jumps out at me

" Without any leads, investigators have decided to forego searching the outskirts of Murfreesboro with dogs."

Why would they not use dogs in the area her phone was found, doesn't make a lick of sense to me at all. At least it would be a starting point.


Oh come on, lazy lazy and dare I say STUPID cops.
No starting point???
-Her house.
--Where her car was left.
---Where her phone was left.
And how big can Murfreesboro be anyways? A good all-out search would at least put to rest where she ISN'T!

Jackasses.

[Pauli]

Oh come on, lazy lazy and dare I say STUPID cops.
No starting point???
-Her house.
--Where her car was left.
---Where her phone was left.
And how big can Murfreesboro be anyways? A good all-out search would at least put to rest where she ISN'T!

Jackasses.

Murfreesboro is pretty good sized, it's also a college town, large medical center, major shopping areas etc... The area where her vehicle was left really doesn't leave many places to, for lack of a better word, dispose of a body. It would be very hard to do anything like that during the time she disappeared due the the heavy traffic and amount of people in that area.. unless you go further on past heading out in the country a ways. Where her house is located you can travel between 1-2 miles and find all sorts of areas that you could dispose of a body, this is the area where her phone was found. You would only need to travel several miles S of that area to be in a rural area.. same thing heading W from where her phone was located.

[Pauli]

[December 26, 2007, 5:34 pm]
"Family Celebrates Bittersweet Christmas"

The family of Marsilene Smith spent their first holiday without their loved one. The 69 year old wife, mother and grandmother have been missing for almost three weeks.

Police found smith's car in the Wal-Mart parking lot December 6th, but since then no more significant leads have developed. Friends and family are keeping her on their minds.

"I don't remember the last Christmas without her,” said 15 year old Christina Barnes. “ We've never had Christmas without her."

Barnes says there are constant reminders of her grandmother this holiday season.

"Most of these were before I was even born,”..... she added.

Ever since Barnes can remember, her grandmother hand-crafted the ornaments that decorate their Christmas tree. Barnes says her grandmother's favorite holiday was Christmas.

"She was full of love and life. She was just a really nice person," Barnes said.

But this Christmas, after weeks of searching, Barnes says their family has come to a sobering realization.

"We've kind of come to terms with the fact that she's probably not alive."

Family members had hope a $10,000 reward incentive will lead to information in the disappearance. Smith was last seen leaving her home to run errands on Dec. 6th. Police found Smith's car last in a Wal-Mart parking lot.

http://www.wkrn.com/nashville/news/family-celebrates-bittersweet-christmas/134794.htm#top

[Audie]

She owns a cell phone that she took with her, but police said there weren't any calls made from it since her disappearance.

Two towers in Murfreesboro have detected a signal from the phone's GPS tracking device, but investigators cannot find it someone uses the phone.


This story writer's english isn't very good, but anyway I thought GPS was a satellite thing, not a cell tower thing. Maybe they work together somehow.

I wonder if this is how LE found the phone.

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?s=7464259

[Grande]

3 Posts of interest regarding Marsilene Smith. It is alleged that the posts were made by the same person. There are similarities in all of the posts that would suggest this in my opinion. These 3 posts seem to be what fueled the speculation directed towards her 71 year old husband. (The information was sent to LE and a member of Marsilene's family on Dec. 20th ) Grande.


MEME Says:
December 15, 2007 at 7:12 pm

“I HAVE SET AND READ ALL OF THESE BUT NO ONE HAS SAID MAYBE THE HUSBAND I AM NOT SAYING I KNOW THE MAN BUT I HAVE HEARD THAT THERE ARE POLICE REPORTS OF HIM ABUSING HER IN THE PAST. SO WHO KNOWS MAYBE HE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT! OMG I HOPE NOT!”

Source: http://wgns.wordpress.com/2007/12/12...llphone-found/

__________________________________________

rob
Memphis, TN
Reply »
8 hrs ago (Dec. 19, 2007)

"Face the facts her own son said that his dad killed her. Who knows what time she really left the house. Plus the man on the bike looks like a old person. I would be standing up paddleing and getting out of there fast? Mr.Smith has been in jail for beeting his wife in the past. The police need to lie detect him. Hope I'm wrong but something is fishy here."

Source: http://www.topix.com/city/murfreesbo...ound-abandoned

____________________________________________



http://i4.tinypic.com/6lw7kp5.jpg

Source: http://wgns.wordpress.com/2007/12/07...woman-missing/

[Audie]

Hmm. I started thinking him after someone said the guy on the bike looked older. But supposedly they didn't have a bike. Then we hear that she did. Now we hear rumors of past abuse. Hmm.

[Audie]

Police Shift Theory In Missing Woman Case
Posted: Dec 31, 2007 05:19 PM CST

MURFREESBORO, Tenn.- Marcie Smith disappeared without a trace three weeks ago in Murfreesboro. Police first thought she was a possible victim of a random carjacking, but now there's a possibility that someone close to Smith is responsible for her disappearance.

About three weeks ago, Marcie Smith, 69, disappeared. Her husband told Murfreesboro police she went shopping and never returned. The only evidence was surveillance video from a Walmart parking lot. It shows a man pulling a bicycle from Marcie's SUV and casually riding away.

"The posture would indicate it's probably an older person riding the bicycle," said Kyle Evans, a Murfreesboro Police Spokesperson.

Police have not found the man, and wonder if Marcie ever made it to Walmart. Initially her family went public, calling news conferences and canvassing neighborhoods.

Her husband Glover Smith was emotional asking anyone who may know her whereabouts to help. Smith gave a heartfelt plea after his wife disappeared, but now he's not talking.

"My understanding is that Smith hired an attorney and communication is very limited," said Evans.

Evans said there are still questions about the timetable of Marcie's disappearance. Her husband said she left at 1:30 to go shopping, and 55 minutes later her SUV turned up at the Walmart.

That raises the question: Could a stranger randomly carjack Marcia, kill her, dispose of a body and then casually park it in a crowded Walmart lot in less than an hour? Now the police are looking at the family.

"As of now not officially ruled suspects, but not ruling out someone from the family is involved in this case," said Evans.

But police said it's important to remember there's still no evidence of foul play or a crime. They've found no blood, no sign of a struggle and, most importantly, no body. The husband in this case Glover Smith is not officially a suspect, but he has hired an attorney.

There is still a chance Marcie Smith is alive; however, she is a 69-year-old, diabetic woman who is very insulin dependent. Most close to the case think it's possible, but unlikely Smith is still alive.

Contrary to some reports, Murfreesboro police said this is not a cold case. Solving Smith's disappearance remains a priority and a team of detectives continue to track down leads.

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=7562279

That's good that they are narrowing down a suspect, but why not search for Marci?

[Grande]

This is exactly why it has been so quiet lately imo. I still had hope that this would not turn out to be the case.

I am terribly sorry for everyone involved.

Poor Marcie...

[KittyMom]

I think the bike rider looked like an older man wearing a touring cap. Shame they can't find Marcie. :(

[Audie]

I think the bike rider looked like an older man wearing a touring cap. Shame they can't find Marcie. :(If they would look maybe they could.

Going to look at the pic again to look at that hat.

[Pauli]

If they would look maybe they could.

Going to look at the pic again to look at that hat.

I do not understand the not searching for her, unless they are waiting for someone to lead them to her.

[KittyMom]

http://http://www.dnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=D4&Date=20071209&Category=PHOTOGALLERIES01&ArtNo=712090801&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=2

Looking at these faces you have to wonder if they suspect GPS.

[Audie]

I do not understand the not searching for her, unless they are waiting for someone to lead them to her.That's what I'm thinking, too, Harlett. But why wait?

I found one pic earlier in the thread, but it was a little blurry. What is a touring hat, anyway?

[Audie]

http://http://www.dnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=D4&Date=20071209&Category=PHOTOGALLERIES01&ArtNo=712090801&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=2

Looking at these faces you have to wonder if they suspect GPS.Link won't work for me, KM. What do you see?

[KittyMom]

Link won't work for me, KM. What do you see?

http://www.dnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=D4&Date=20071209&Category=PHOTOGALLERIES01&ArtNo=712090801&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=2

see if this works...I'm having a time using the controls.

[Audie]

http://www.dnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=D4&Date=20071209&Category=PHOTOGALLERIES01&ArtNo=712090801&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=2

see if this works...I'm having a time using the controls.That works. Thanks.

[Grande]

I do not understand the not searching for her, unless they are waiting for someone to lead them to her.

I don't get it either.

[Audie]

Touring hat like this?

http://cdn.llbean.com/products/mens/23137/images/M23137_Charcoal.jpg

[Grande]

Touring hat like this?

http://cdn.llbean.com/products/mens/23137/images/M23137_Charcoal.jpg


That's what it looks like to me.

This is such a sad case.

[Audie]

That's what it looks like to me.

This is such a sad case.Thanks, buddy and I agree.

[Audie]

Happy New Year, y'all. I wish Marsi was able to have one. :missing:

[SJB]

I read the new article this morning about LE shifting the investigation. While its encouraging that they're "saying" that they're still investigating I hope that they truly are, and aren't just putting that out there to satisfy the publics concern in this case.

Since hearing the rumors about possible and previous domestic disputes between Marcie and her husband, and then her husbands refusal to take a polygraph, and his retaining a lawyer I have to admit that I have started to wonder if he could have been involved. But,...then I go back and watch his interview again...and I don't know what to think. Either he's innocent or he's one of the best actors I've ever seen. His tears are real, and he truly seems broken up.

Like we all do...I've tried to analyze his every move, word, body language and eye contact. And, although he rarely looks at the camera and mostly stares down at the ground I thought that maybe for a man of his age (his generation of men were taught not to cry) that maybe he was just ashamed and uncomfortable becoming that emotional in front of people? I'm not sure what to think.

Maybe because of past domestic troubles between he and his wife his attorney is worried about possible questions the examiner would ask. For instance:

Have you ever hit your wife?
Have you ever intentionally harmed your wife?

If the answer to either of those questions is yes, he's got problems.

If they asked him point blank, did you have anything to do with your wifes disappearance and he failed that question, again...he's got problems.

If LE agreed to keep questioning only to current events for example and asked the question "Did you have anything to do with your wifes disappearance?" and the attorney still won't let Mr. Smith take the polygraph based on that question then I would be more and more inclined to think he has something to hide.

So many "if's", and questions and not nearly enough being done to look for Marcie. It feels like an ugly, and painful repeat of what happened in my sisters case. LE put ALL of their efforts into finding the person they assumed was responsible for her murder, and seemed to put NO effort into actually finding my sister.

[Justiceguy]

...........

Since hearing the rumors about possible and previous domestic disputes between Marcie and her husband, and then her husbands refusal to take a polygraph, and his retaining a lawyer I have to admit that I have started to wonder if he could have been involved. ...............

So many "if's", and questions and not nearly enough being done to look for Marcie. It feels like an ugly, and painful repeat of what happened in my sisters case. LE put ALL of their efforts into finding the person they assumed was responsible for her murder, and seemed to put NO effort into actually finding my sister.


I respect your viewpoint, from your most unfortunate experience in your family. However, it is ALSO starting to look to me like the husband is somehow involved. I just can't easily dismiss him as a suspect, despite his tearful appearance. I think that's why the police never supported a volunteer search, I think police know something they aren't telling us.

JMO

[KittyMom]

Touring hat like this?

http://cdn.llbean.com/products/mens/23137/images/M23137_Charcoal.jpg

Yep.

[KittyMom]

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=7562279

"The posture would indicate it's probably an older person riding the bicycle," said Kyle Evans, a Murfreesboro Police Spokesperson.

points that jumps out...

*video of person driving car into parking lot, removing bicycle and riding away
*police suspect bike rider is older...as is victim
*spouse has hired atty and is no longer openly communicating with LE

NEVER have I read of a case where a person of interest left on a bicycle.
I don't remember ever reading of a case where the victim AND a POI are both older.
When the spouse lawyers up, there is usually reason to suspect that person.

moo

[SJB]

I respect your viewpoint, from your most unfortunate experience in your family. However, it is ALSO starting to look to me like the husband is somehow involved. I just can't easily dismiss him as a suspect, despite his tearful appearance. I think that's why the police never supported a volunteer search, I think police know something they aren't telling us.

JMO

Justiceguy, I definitely agree with you regarding why the police (nor the family) have supported a volunteer search...to me, that's been the strangest part of this whole thing and it's made me say to myself...."wait a second...somethings not right here".

The police always know more then we do, and they always hold things back that only the perp would know. But, it still puzzles me that they've held everything so close to the chest. For instance, the bike. They could at least clarify if it was HER bike or not. At the very least people could try and recall if a neighbor or someone suddenly owned a womens bike with neon accents.

[SJB]

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=7562279



points that jumps out...

*video of person driving car into parking lot, removing bicycle and riding away
*police suspect bike rider is older...as is victim
*spouse has hired atty and is no longer openly communicating with LE

NEVER have I read of a case where a person of interest left on a bicycle.
I don't remember ever reading of a case where the victim AND a POI are both older.
When the spouse lawyers up, there is usually reason to suspect that person.

moo

The only crime I can think of, or know of where the suspect has left on a bicycle is the armored car robbery that happened in Arizona in 2004. I remember seeing the story a long time ago, but it was recently featured again on AMW on 12/8/07, the suspects name is Jason Derek Brown. He was recently added to the FBI's 10 most wanted list.

Here's a link to his crime. http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=29538

[Justiceguy]

Justiceguy, I definitely agree with you regarding why the police (nor the family) have supported a volunteer search...to me, that's been the strangest part of this whole thing and it's made me say to myself...."wait a second...somethings not right here".

The police always know more then we do, and they always hold things back that only the perp would know. ...... For instance, the bike. .....

Indeed....where did the bike come from and where is it now??? A grandchild's bike? A neighbor's? The bike is a really solid lead. I bet the make and model bike have been narrowed down, and sales records of the bike model inventoried.

Another thing noted by a reader in the Murfeesboro paper, the rather early-on comment by the hubby that his wife "was"...past tense. This within hours or a day of her disappearance!!!

[KittyMom]

The only crime I can think of, or know of where the suspect has left on a bicycle is the armored car robbery that happened in Arizona in 2004. I remember seeing the story a long time ago, but it was recently featured again on AMW on 12/8/07, the suspects name is Jason Derek Brown. He was recently added to the FBI's 10 most wanted list.

Here's a link to his crime. http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=29538

That is interesting. Who would think to look for a bank robber riding a bike?

[Audie]

http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/humor/robbery.htm

eta: a little levity during this tragic event.

[Grande]

Happy New Year, y'all. I wish Marsi was able to have one. :missing:

One day Marcie's story will be told and it will be glorius!

Happy New Year pal!

[Grande]

Husband Of Missing Woman Retains Lawyer
Posted: Jan 3, 2008 07:14 PM CST

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. - Marcie Smith vanished nearly a month ago.

Police have not ruled out the possibility of foul play or involvement of her husband.

Police said Palmer Smith is not an official suspect in his wife's disappearance.

But his attorney John Norton believes he's become a focus of the investigation and that that isn't right.

"I think absolutely he had nothing to do with the disappearance of his wife," Norton said.

Norton believes Murfreesboro police are trying to build a case against his client.

"I am concerned police may conclude their case with a charge against the wrong person -- Palmer Smith," he said.

Police declined comment about new leads, but acknowledged that Smith and his remain part of the investigation.

"As of now, they are not officially ruled as suspects, but we're not eliminating the possibility that someone in her family is involved in the case," said Kyle Evans, a Murfreesboro police spokesman.

The only hard piece of evidence in the case is surveillance video from a Wal-Mart parking lot.

It shows a man pulling a bicycle from Smith's SUV the day her family reporter her missing. The man is shown casually riding away on the bicycle.

Norton said police confiscated Palmer Smith's bicycle and searched his home.

"It was extremely hurtful to him," Norton said.

Norton said Palmer Smith spent more than eight hours answering questions from police. Now, he lets his attorney to do all the talking.

"Oftentimes people who have not done anything wrong still need lawyers to buffer them from news journalists, to buffer them from the police," Norton said.

Police said this is a missing person's case because there is no sign of any crime committed.

Police have not asked Palmer Smith to take a lie detector test. Norton said it is not something they have discussed.

Palmer Smith reported his wife his missing after he said she failed to return home from a shopping trip to Wal-Mart on Dec. 6.

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=7575127

[FocusFactor]

I had not realized the husband had a bike. Interesting. They talked to him for 8 hours and now the atty is worried they will arrest the "wrong person".

And no searching going on.

The guy riding away from the SUV looks like an older man. I wonder if Marcie isn't someplace around the house? His timeline could be as far off as he needs it to be.

eta-- a question...
The first stories report his name is Glover, now it's Palmer.
Huh?

[KittyMom]

hmmm...if he's done nothing wrong why would he need to be buffered from police?

[Grande]

hmmm...if he's done nothing wrong why would he need to be buffered from police?

Yep, doesn't sound good.

[Audie]

I see that Marsilene has been added to the TES website.
www.txeq.org

[Grande]

I see that Marsilene has been added to the TES website.
www.txeq.org

I was told the family has in fact formally contacted TES.

:1222423:

[Audie]

Human Remains Found In Murfreesboro
Officials Not Yet Sure Of Identity, Sex Of Remains

Reported By Marc Stewart
POSTED: 7:13 pm CST January 4, 2008
UPDATED: 10:58 pm CST January 5, 2008

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. -- Police are investigating the discovery of a human skull that was first found in Murfreesboro on Friday afternoon.

The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation confirmed that a skull was found in a rural area near a rock quarry behind the Stones River National Battlefield Park.

Detectives from the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Department and the TBI searched the woods near the battlefield.

Authorities continued the search on Saturday morning and found more remains close to where the skull was found.

Officials said they are not sure if the skull belongs to a man or woman, the identity or how long it has been there.

The skull was found in rough terrain on private property.

Officials said detectives would remain at the scene throughout the night to investigate.

http://www.wsmv.com/news/14982851/detail.html

[Grande]

Points of interest (Updated);

http://i5.tinypic.com/6svufb9.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/8ajwvoy.jpg

http://i3.tinypic.com/6podob4.jpg

[Grande]

More bones found after skull discovery
Posted: 8:31 AM Jan 7, 2008
Last Updated: 8:31 AM Jan 7, 2008

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. (AP) -- Officials have discovered more bones near where a skull was found on Friday outside the Stones River Battlefield.

Detective Sgt. Dan Goodwin says investigators are examining the remains, which they believe to be human, to try to determine the person's age and sex and when they died.

The Rutherford County Sheriff's Office is working with other agencies to see if the bones can be linked to any missing persons cases.

(Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/13496887.html

[Grande]

China Renee Videon & Meri Shannon Allen also missing from Rutherford County, TN.

[Pauli]

We have a thread on here for China, she has been missing quite a while now.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=33

[boroan]

Hi! First post here, but I've been following Marcie's disappearance since the morning I first saw it reported on Channel 2 (WKRN) in Nashville. My gut tells me the bones found in the Battlefield area will prove to be too old to have anything to do with Marcie (I don't think there's any chance they're Civil War-era, however!). Interestingly, it won't be the first time human bones have been found in that same general vicinity; approximately 20 years ago a human skull was found about a mile away on a road that has since been closed that used to go through the park. As best I can remember, that skull was never identified, although I believe they did determine that it was female.

On the third photo above, with the "A" location marker for the rock quarry -- look to the bottom center of the photo, next to the road cutting diagonally through the top left corner of the picture. This is pretty much the exact location the bones were found in; I believe they would have been between the road (Old Nashville Highway, which runs between the Union Cemetery to the north/main park entrance south of the road) and the smaller dark green quarry lake. There is a small park there called General Rosecrans' Headquarters that is on the south, or left, side of the road; it's just a small grassy area with a concrete pad and a cannonball pyramid marking a Confederate general's headquarters, and there is a six- or eight-space parking lot there as well. Based on the report in the local paper, park visitors were exploring that small "pocket" park when they found the skull last Friday. The Battlefield is very busy this time of year, as the battle took place December 31, 1862 - January 3, 1863 and there are always a series of commerative events happening over the New Year's holiday.

Unfortunately there has been no local coverage on Marcie since the last report from Channel 5 (WTVF) -- I have to give them credit, they've done the best job with this story and stayed on it better even than our local newspaper. Having seen the video they had on their website briefly that showed the man on the bike actually riding away from the car -- wish it was still there, the photos just aren't the same -- I really have to wonder what her husband's timeline for that day looks like. There has been no mention of where he was...

[Grande]

Welcome Baroan!

Thanks for the input, we have also been following Marsilene's case very closely hoping for some resolution.

Keep us up to date if you hear anything and we will do the same.

For Marcie and her family :1222423:

[boroan]

Bones are reported to possibly be those of a missing 3-year-old from Smyrna, TN. Her name is Analyce Guerra, missing for several months. WSMV in Nashville reported this at the end of last week, no confirmation yet, Daily News Journal in Murfreesboro has also speculated that it could be her. Her home was only a few miles, maybe 10 at most, from the location the bones were found.

[Pauli]

Hi boroan and welcome to the board. I'm not far from M'boro and I am so dissatisfied with the lack of coverage on Marcie's case and what seems to be no search efforts.

[TURBOTHINK]

The timeline is only an hour, so if she was killed (I pray thats not the case), I think he didn't have much time to do anything but dump her somewhere close that is secluded (daytime). Only time to dump her in water or on the ground and maybe cover her with leaves and/or branches. Then he would have to go get the bike and then to WalMart. JMO

Or..she stopped to help him. Maybe he acted like he had wrecked his bike or had a flat tire and she allowed him to put his bike in her SUV to take him to get it fixed. Then he attacked her, and took the SUV. From the google picture it appears there is a small stream or river right past the hwy xcross going toward Walmart.

[TURBOTHINK]

Points of interest (Updated);

http://i3.tinypic.com/6podob4.jpg

They should look in the rock quarry water. That is a very popular place for killers to put their victims because they are so deep and so cold. I used to do some salvage diving and those things are full of cars, washers, etc.

[KittyMom]

Bones are reported to possibly be those of a missing 3-year-old from Smyrna, TN. Her name is Analyce Guerra, missing for several months. WSMV in Nashville reported this at the end of last week, no confirmation yet, Daily News Journal in Murfreesboro has also speculated that it could be her. Her home was only a few miles, maybe 10 at most, from the location the bones were found.

I remember that case. She was the baby that disappeared in the middle of the night. At first they thought she wondered away but then there was talk of a ex-bf that had a grudge.

[boroan]

Those quarry ponds are really nowhere near either Marcie's home or the Walmart where her SUV was found; I'd be surprised if she was there. My gut doesn't lead in that direction at all. The larger ponds are in an active quarry off a very busy 4-lane highway, and I believe the entrance is gated. The smaller one where the bones were found is inactive, but on private land -- obviously someone can get to it to dispose of someone, but I don't think it has anything to do with Marcie.

I suspect Marcie is somewhere in very close proximity to her home. Although she lived in a duplex in a large neighborhood, there are wide open fields, small streams, etc. within a mile or two of her house. There is a hill with a fire tower that's been the scene of some pretty weird events in the past (parties, hangouts, that kind of thing) that's relatively isolated and very steep terrain. There are several construction sites with large dumpsters within blocks of Marcie's home that didn't seem to be closely attended when I drove out in that area just before New Year's; might have been a perfect opportunity for someone looking for a quick disposal site. There is also a large county park just across the road from her neighborhood that has acres of woodlands.

I believe the local LE know more than they're letting on and are waiting for someone, Scott Peterson-style, to revisit the site where Marcie was left and to lead them to her. I think it's only a matter of time, and I'd bet the farm (if I had one!) that someone is under surveillance...

I just hope that those who care about Marcie know she hasn't been forgotten, and there are those of us who hope they will find answers soon.

[Grande]

Boroan

I agree, it's only a matter of time imo.

Thanks for providing your insight, we are grateful.

For Marcie and her family :1222423:

[Grande]

Police subpoena TV interviews with Smith family
By BRANDON PUTTBRESE
bputtbrese@dnj.com

Murfreesboro Police have subpoenaed unedited footage of interviews with friends and family members of Marcie Smith, who’s been missing for six weeks, from four Nashville television news stations.

Murfreesboro department spokesman Kyle Evans delivered the court requests today to News Channel 5, Fox 17, News 2 and Channel 4 News.

“We’re looking for any footage from the case to see if it will help us develop any new clues or potential witnesses,” Evans told DNJ.com

Smith's sports utility vehicle was found Dec. 7 in a Wal-Mart parking lot on Rutherford Boulevard, about seven miles from her Village Green Circle home in south Murfreesboro. Her husband, Glover Smith, reported her missing a day earlier after he said she failed to return from an afternoon shopping trip.

Store surveillance video showed a man pulling a bicycle from the missing woman's vehicle around 2:30 p.m. the day she disappeared, but police say they have been unable to identify the man in the image.

http://dnj.midsouthnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080117/NEWS01/80117021

[boroan]

There's some pretty good discussion happening on the article linked above. Hopefully that was the intent of the police department in issuing the update in the case. It's been quite a while since they made any kind of statement at all, I imagine this will start some tongues wagging and hopefully make somebody start to get a little nervous...

[Grande]

Hey there boroan. Thanks for the info!

Did you happen to review post #108 in this thread on page 6? Pay particular attention to the date and the aliases used in the 3 'posts of interest'. If you happen to see any comments from a 'MEME' or 'Rob'/'Robert' please let us know.

Thank you!

[emmeblu]

Wonder why LE does not do a ground search. Call in help from the public, get it organized and start a search. With the time frame in which she was taken, she cannot be too far from home. Call Ted Miller and get his team to come search.

:1222423:Praying Marcie is safe and will be found alive.

[Pauli]

We suggested early on that the family call Equusearch.. don't understand why searches have not been done. There are quite a few areas within a mile or so from her home that I think should be.

[emmeblu]

We suggested early on that the family call Equusearch.. don't understand why searches have not been done. There are quite a few areas within a mile or so from her home that I think should be.

What is up with that? If she is dead and her body is located, it will most likely hold some major clues on the killer. If she was kidnapped and killed, the killer was fast, real fast and did a good job of getting rid of her body. Sounds like a planned thing to me but ?? who knows.

[boroan]

Hey there boroan. Thanks for the info!

Did you happen to review post #108 in this thread on page 6? Pay particular attention to the date and the aliases used in the 3 'posts of interest'. If you happen to see any comments from a 'MEME' or 'Rob'/'Robert' please let us know.

Thank you!

Yes, I did read that and checked out the thread on WGNS afterward. I don't recall seeing any posts by that person(s) on any DNJ articles, but I think the poster "air man" on the Court TV/In Session forum bears a strong resemblance to that person(s). Harlett, I noticed that you posted over on that board, what do you think about air man's posts?

The Smiths moved to Murfreesboro from the Memphis area, around Cordova if I remember correctly, and Rob/Robert shows Memphis as his location on the WGNS board. There were some Memphis posters who showed up on the DNJ who were staunch supporters of Glover/Palmer Smith (still can't figure out which name he really uses!), so I don't think any of them were Meme/Rob/Robert. I tried searching for any mention of Marcelene on Memphis tv stations or newpaper websites back in mid-December while the case was still getting pretty decent coverage and didn't turn anything up, so they may have been gone from that area for several years.

In other news, WSMV (Nashville Channel 4) has refused to turn over their unedited video footage to the M'boro police for their investigation. This aggravates me to no end -- that smacks of potential obstruction of justice to me! I'm assuming Channel 2, WKRN, had already turned theirs over since they're the only local station that wasn't subpoenaed. I had heard one of their reporters mention in the very early days of the case, while they were still reporting from the Walmart parking lot, that they'd been asked to turn over the footage; my guess is that they complied with the request immediately and the other stations didn't. Go Channel 2 (they're my favorite station anyway)!!!!

I'm confused, too, about why there were never any coordinated searches. We still have a lot of undeveloped land in the part of Rutherford County where the Smith home is, and even in Bedford County which is also fairly close to where Marcie lived. I know a search operation is expensive, but you'd think that if nothing else the police might want to "stage" one to try to draw out the perpetrator on this. If they're skipping this step for cost alone, that's a horribly cheap way to look at a human life, in my opinion.

This whole case makes me sad on so many levels -- if Marcie had been 19, or even 29, instead of 69, things would have been different! She'd be a fixture on Greta, Nancy, and the others nightly. She's attractive, blonde, fit, upper-middle-class; there's video of elements of the potential crime that's very interesting; there are attractive, telegenic family members who were appealing to the media, at least in the early days; she's apparently vanished into thin air; all the things that make for the kind of disappearance that normally grips a nation. Ageism rears its ugly head...

[Grande]

I read 'Air Man's 2 posts, and ITA that it bears a STRONG resemblence to the aforementioned posts by Rob/Robert, MEME.

Very sad. Are any of the family video's in question still available on the web?

Thanks for helping in bringing awareness on behalf of Marsilene's family.

[Pauli]

I read airman's posts and had the same feeling Grande..

As for the search, the family could have requested TexasEquusearch to come in. They volunteer their search efforts and the way it usually works is area people will help with getting business' to donate food, water, paper supplies etc.. and TES coordinates the searches. They ask for volunteers to help with the search and registration of the searchers. So it wouldn't have cost to local LE much at all other than some of their time. I know myself and others would have been there to help with things..

This reminds me so much of Naomi's case Grande where nothing much at all was done until TES came in.. and then they found her after 1 1/2 days of searching. It frustrates the heck out of me that more is not done in the very beginning to find these people.

[Grande]

I was told a couple weeks ago that Marsilene's family has in fact formally contacted TES.

Hopefully we will get some resolution soon.

For Marsilene's family :1222423:

[Pauli]

Great.. I had sent them the information about TES, but have never heard anything back from them.

[Grande]

Channel 4 won't give police its video footage in missing person case
By BRANDON PUTTBRESE • Gannett Tennessee • January 18, 2008

A Nashville television station says it will not turn over unedited video footage subpoenaed by Murfreesboro police on Thursday in a missing person case.

Channel 4 News Director Matthew Hilk said the station receives subpoenas every week and the station tries to comply with them.

"But as a matter of policy, the station does not turn over unedited footage," Hilk said.

Murfreesboro police subpoenaed footage from WSMV-Channel 4, WTVF-Channel 5 and WZTV-Channel 17.

The footage includes interviews with friends and family of Marcie Smith, who has been missing for six weeks.

Murfreesboro police spokesman Kyle Evans delivered the subpoenas Thursday.

"We're looking for any footage from the case to see if it will help us develop any new clues or potential witnesses," Evans said.

Smith's sport utility vehicle was found in a Wal-Mart parking lot on Rutherford Boulevard, about seven miles from her Village Green Circle home in south Murfreesboro.

Her husband, Glover Smith, had reported her missing a day earlier, saying she had not returned from an afternoon shopping trip.

Store surveillance video showed a man pulling a bicycle from the missing woman's vehicle around 2:30 p.m. the day she disappeared. The man then rode out of the parking lot.

Police say they haven't been able to identify the man.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080118/NEWS03/801180417/1017/NEWS01

[boroan]

The only videos I can locate at the moment are available on Channel 5's website at this link:

http://wtvf.com/Global/story.asp?s=7464259

One is a canned piece from the Walmart lot, the other is a small edited segment of the interview with Marcie's husband. It's interesting because it was done either on the day of or the day after her disappearance, and he states that he doesn't know what he's going to "do without her".

I'll keep trying to find the videos with her daughter and granddaughter asking for the public's help. Her daughter was obviously very distraught and very genuine. Her granddaughter wrote several times on the DNJ forums and seems to be a sharp cookie; I never saw her interviewed by the tv reporters, but the girl seems to be very interested in getting to the bottom of this and is internet-savvy. Rob/Robert mentioned a son in one of the WGNS posts, but I haven't seen any hint of one in the local coverage so I don't know if he lives in the area if there really is one. I doubt if I'll find anything on Channel 4's website! :22wink:

[boroan]

http://www.fox17.com/newsroom/top_stories/vid_547.shtml

Good find here -- this is the first time I've seen this video myself. It has the SUV pulling into the Walmart parking lot, the man on the bike riding away, and Marcie's daughter, Lee Ann Barnes, appealing to the public all in the same clip! I've seen bits and pieces of these in other places, but not all in one like this (guess I need to pay more attention to the Fox station for coverage of this case, huh?). At the very end, there's an overview of the Barfield area of town from the top of "Tiger Hill", the hill I mentioned in a previous post that's near Marcie's home. It's a weirdly high hill in a mostly flat county, so you can see for miles from the top of it, and it's got a lot of hiding places in the woods both on top of it and in places on the flanks.

[Grande]

Awesome, thanks for the links boroan!

[missthegirls]

Hi everyone.........I've been following this very sad case and check here everyday because I know that you guys are staying on top of it...thank you!

I wanted to say something about the search that everyone wishes would happen and has not. I'm no expert, that's for sure, but when my daughter and granddaughter, Jennifer and Adrianna, vanished I literally begged for a search. TES, Laura Recovery Center, Klaas Kids and TN Search and Rescue Dog Assoc along with approx 5 counties of volunteer fire and rescue all agreed to do a search for the girls...........but..........law enforcement would not support their efforts............so, no search was ever done. Maybe law enforcement will not support TES coming in Marsilene's case. Believe me, I have BEGGED.........each time that one of these agencies has tried to talk to LE about it, they just tell them that they don't think that it is necessary and that if a search is needed they can handle it, thanks anyway! My family even had a search all lined up with all the food, water, first aid, maps, motel rooms booked, etc at one time and LE canceled it by pulling their support at the last hour! Maybe our case is different, but all I am saying is, you never know what LE is doing or not doing, and they tell the family things that influeince their decisions in ways that you later discover was not the correct path to take. I would give anything if I could get a search for my girls, if its not too late and I would love to see a search done for this sweet lady.........I'll keep praying for both.....
IMO

[Pauli]

I hate hearing that happened to you.. I can't figure out why the LE would not take all the help they could in doing a search. I know in Naomi Arnette's case they were not too happy about TES coming in.. LE had almost 4 months to look for her and found nothing.. TES found her in 1 1/2 days. I think it's a shame that some places do not bring in search teams and dogs immediately when this happens.

[MsMath]

I've been lurking for at least a month, checking every day for new posts. I live outside of Murfreeboro and I am just torn to pieces over this case. I'm sure being close and being diabetic has alot to do with that.

The day the video of her husband was shown on the news and her husband said something about living without her, it immediately sent up a red flag for me that he knows he will be living without her and he doesn't think she is coming home.

I would like to ask about this... the husband said they had been married 51 years, is he LeeAnn's biological father? If not, then who is and where is he?

THANKS for taking your time to read my concerns and my question.

[boroan]

I haven't heard anything to indicate that Glover/Palmer Smith isn't Lee Anne's natural father. I'm pretty sure Christina, her 16-year-old daughter, is her only child, and she has referred to him as her grandfather several times in her comments on the DNJ articles.

[Pauli]

welcome to the board MsMath... I'm from the area also... I hate that there is nothing at all being said about this case.

[MsMath]

If he is LeeAnn's biological father, why wouldn't they appear together and have a "united front" to find her? Why wouldn't LeeAnn say "how can my father live without my mother?" Its probably me just being silly but I think that would appeal to all people who have lost a spouse or suffered a death close to them.

If he is her biological father, I understand more why everything is hush hush. LeeAnn really couldn't do anything without "dad's" permission and LE... she is fighting a huge battle both ways.

There appears to be interest on the internet regarding this case; I can't figure out why LE isn't dropping a little information to see what draws whom out.

I'll have to think about this for a little longer... I've always assumed he was her stepdad.

[MsMath]

Harlett,

I check EVERY day; several times some days. It just drives me nuts that NOTHING is being said or released. I teach in Murfreesboro, but I live in Bedford County.

[MsMath]

Here's a link to a "new" article in the DNJ today:

http://www.dnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080120/NEWS01/801200319/1002

The police spokesperson, Kyle Evans, was quoted as saying, "Some of the things we're going to focus on are interviews with the people who saw Marcie last and the people who are closest to this case."

[MsMath]

Here's a link that has a TON of articles about this case.

http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=11660&st=0

It lists the "same" articles from different sources and it's funny to look at the differences. The "Post" said that LeeAnn said the bike was not her mother's bike. None of the others said that.

Here's a quote from one of the News Channel 5 articles:

Investigators said Smith called her husband around 1:30 p.m. to tell him she was going Christmas shopping around town.

Smith is a diabetic who depended on insulin.

Her husband Glover Smith called police when his wife didn't return home.

"Whether somebody abducted her, I think that started it because I think if she had a reaction, she would have gone somewhere to get something to drink or eat," he said. "Or maybe, under the circumstances, she can't go get it now."

[boroan]

MsMath -- Glover/Palmer was in pictures with Lee Anne and Christina early after the disappearance, where they were passing out flyers. I think this was at the Walmart where her car was found. Lee Anne also spoke at that same site, and Christina was shown on camera with her. Glover/Palmer wasn't shown in the video of that event, and neither he nor Christina spoke at it. The only interview I've ever seen of him is the one where he spoke at his home, seated in the chair, and several stations have versions of that. It must have been some sort of open interview where they could all film it, and then they chose to edit it their own way and post the sections of it that they wanted. I strongly feel that he is Lee Anne's natural father and that may have a great deal to do with why it's difficult for her to push the investigation any more than she already has. She would be in a horrible position; Christina has already alluded to the fact that they are well aware that many people suspect her grandfaher in her posts on the local newspaper. She has also asked for people to continue to search for her grandmother and to throw out any ideas they might have on the DNJ forum, and asked them not to worry about shielding her feelings even if other posters had concerns about her grandfather.

[boroan]

By the way, thanks for the link to the crimeandjustice.us site, MsMath! In reading through some things on there that I hadn't seen before, I realized that the press conference I referred to above wasn't at Walmart, it was actually held at Barfield Elementary School just around the corner from Marcie's home on the Sunday after her disappearance. Lee Anne apparently did all the speaking for the family at that press conference, or at least no one else was shown speaking in any of the local media coverage.

[KittyMom]

I don't understand why LE doesn't send the video of the bike rider to NASA. I've read other cases where that was done so that NASA could enhance the quality of the film and determine details that can't be seen now...like the guy's face.

[Audie]

Human Remains Found In Murfreesboro
Officials Not Yet Sure Of Identity, Sex Of Remains

Reported By Marc Stewart
POSTED: 7:13 pm CST January 4, 2008
UPDATED: 10:58 pm CST January 5, 2008

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. -- Police are investigating the discovery of a human skull that was first found in Murfreesboro on Friday afternoon.

The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation confirmed that a skull was found in a rural area near a rock quarry behind the Stones River National Battlefield Park.

Detectives from the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Department and the TBI searched the woods near the battlefield.

Authorities continued the search on Saturday morning and found more remains close to where the skull was found.

Officials said they are not sure if the skull belongs to a man or woman, the identity or how long it has been there.

The skull was found in rough terrain on private property.

Officials said detectives would remain at the scene throughout the night to investigate.

http://www.wsmv.com/news/14982851/detail.htmlIf I have my information correct, these are the remains of 2 yr old Analyce Guerro, missing from Smyrna, TN since April of 2006.

[packy]

By wanting all those unedited interviews, it does look like they suspect her husband or another person close to them. But why they didn't do a ground search early on is still very frustrating. I wonder does anyone drive over that old rickety bridge that SJB saw.

I thought too like was mentioned earlier that maybe someone on a bike could have acted like they needed help or even fell in front of her car and acted hurt so she would take them to a hospital or home which could be another reason to put the bike in the trunk. But why take the car to a Walmart and risk being seen by shoppers and cameras.

My heart goes out to all of the family in this very sad case.

[SJB]

It was reported last night on the local news that Palmer Smith, husband of missing Murfreesboro woman Marsilene Smith has been accused of harrassing another Murfreesboro woman.

The woman being harrassed called Murfreesboro Police and filed a complaint. Here is the link to the full article.

After seeing this report I felt a little foolish. I remember watching his tearful plea for the return of his wife and I believed what he was saying...I bought it all..hook, line and sinker. In light of this new information,...he doesn't look nearly as innocent to me anymore. Just another case which goes to show ME that how things look, and what you THINK you know can be deceiving.

I hope Murfreesboro LE will tighten the screws down on him now that it appears he may not be so innocent after all. Marcy's family needs to bring her home...and I'm afraid he knows exactly where she is. JMO.

http://www.fox17.com/newsroom/top_stories/vid_1303.shtml

SJB
www.helpfindamy.com

[Grande]

WOW SJB, that's interesting thanks for the update.

I'm going to post the entire text of the article in the event they provider takes it down. In some cases after a period of time has passed they get removed, I just want to make sure we have it if that happens.

Thanks again!

[Grande]

Harassment Claim Filed Against Murfreesboro Man
FOX 17 News – By: John Dunn

"I'm uncomfortable with the whole situation. He's just a very shady character to me," says Teresa Goodwin.

His wife has been missing for three months, now Palmer Smith is accused of harassing another woman.

She says she told him but he wouldn’t go away.

Teresa Goodwin says Palmer Smith called her repeatedly and made her very uncomfortable.

Now she has filed a complaint with police.

Officers are familiar with Smith, he reported his wife Marcie missing from their Murfreesboro home back in December.

"He was what I would say aggressively pursuing me," says Teresa Goodwin.

Teresa Goodwin is still shaken by her experience with Palmer Smith.

"He comes across as very charming, very charismatic, he's not a nice guy," says Goodwin.

It has been three months since we first heard Smith make an emotional appeal after his wife Marcie disappeared.

"If anybody knows where she is I wished they'd help us," said Palmer Smith in December.

There’s still no word on what happened to Marcie, and Palmer Smith is apparently moving on.

"I can't imagine being with someone for 51 years and then 60 days later you're out chasing skirts all over town," says Goodwin.

39 year old Teresa Goodwin says she first met Smith at Toot’s restaurant last week.

But she says things became strange when he gave her cash, showed up at the hair salon where she works, and then started calling her.

"He called where I worked several times, trying to get me to go out with him," says Goodwin.

Goodwin says she wasn’t interested in a relationship with the 73 year old Smith and told him to stop calling.

She says she watched that mysterious video of a man on a bicycle riding away from Marcie Smith’s SUV, and while Palmer Smith has never been charged, Goodwin is convinced it was him.

"It's him, it's so him, I don't understand why people aren't recognizing him on that bike because I had no problem," says Goodwin.

Teresa Goodwin says she eventually got fed up, and when Palmer Smith called her Tuesday, she called police.

We tried reaching Palmer Smith about the harassment complaint, but no one answered his door or his phone.

Teresa Goodwin, who is a single mother, says she’s concerned about her safety, and more worried than ever about what happened to Marcie Smith.

"And I just hope they find this woman, and I feel really bad at what could have happened to her," says Goodwin.

Murfreesboro Police are not commenting on this complaint, and they have not identified Palmer Smith as a suspect in his wife’s disappearance.

However, that investigation remains active.

http://www.fox17.com/newsroom/top_stories/vid_1303.shtml

[Claudia]

Very interesting news. Puts a new spin on things for me.

[Pauli]

It still burns me that they will not search the areas to the W of Marcie's house. Hmmm, he hangs out at Toots... that is an establishment that is a spin off of Hooters... Maybe I should start spending some time there, I might be able to meet Mr. Smith :grin:

[KittyMom]

Oh, boy...yuck! There is no telling what poor Marsie put up with all those years.

Harlotte---If you meet up with this old coot let me know...I've got a big bottle of soap with your name on it. lol

[KittyMom]

http://www.toots.com/locations/murfreesboro.php

860 NW Broad Street
Murfreesboro, TN 37129

looks like a family type eatery

[Pauli]

M'boro is a college town and Toots is pretty much a hangout for the college age... you do get families and some older.. the waitress' wear pretty much the same things as the 'hooter girls' wear... short shorts and tight tops:grin: When there is a MTSU game in town it's the party spot.

[KittyMom]

M'boro is a college town and Toots is pretty much a hangout for the college age... you do get families and some older.. the waitress' wear pretty much the same things as the 'hooter girls' wear... short shorts and tight tops:grin: When there is a MTSU game in town it's the party spot.

okay...scratch the family description lol

Sounds like you'll have to wear your best push-up bra and Daisy Dukes. :22wink: Got some pom-pom? :girl_haha:

[KittyMom]

I do feel sorry for the children. This has to be heart-breaking for them. Not that they think he is responsible for her disappearing. But, to have a Dad acting so in the public at his age has to be an embarrassment.

[Pauli]

okay...scratch the family description lol

Sounds like you'll have to wear your best push-up bra and Daisy Dukes. :22wink: Got some pom-pom? :girl_haha:

I would fit right in if that's what I wore..

[Pauli]

I do feel sorry for the children. This has to be heart-breaking for them. Not that they think he is responsible for her disappearing. But, to have a Dad acting so in the public at his age has to be an embarrassment.


It was just on our local news that both Mr. Smith and his attorney one John Norton are both denying that this latest incident is false. Did I mention that Mr. Norton is one of the top Criminal Attorneys in the state.. I used to do work for him.. he is a very very good attorney, quite intelligent... oh, he wins about 97% of his cases.

[KittyMom]

It was just on our local news that both Mr. Smith and his attorney one John Norton are both denying that this latest incident is false. Did I mention that Mr. Norton is one of the top Criminal Attorneys in the state.. I used to do work for him.. he is a very very good attorney, quite intelligent... oh, he wins about 97% of his cases.

Do you think the woman is making this up? It should be easy enough to prove that she is..phone records and such.

[Pauli]

I would say LE would check into that.. hopefully. Also, Smith & Attorney may be saying that he was not harassing her and that part is false, not the calling part. They only give you little tidbits of info. My guess Attorney would say something like... "yes, Mr. Smith called her.. he lost his wife, is lonely and needed someone just to talk to"

[Audie]

I would fit right in if that's what I wore..Hmmm.

Harlett, with that outfit, maybe you could make friends and get him to tell you where he put his wife. Just don't go to his house or get in his car, esp if there is a bicycle in it.

[Grande]

:67302:

[Pauli]

:shock: you owe me a clean monitor Audie....:girl_haha:

[Grande]

Husband Of Missing Woman Faces Harassment Allegations
Resident Files Report With Murfreesboro Police
Reported By Marc Stewart
UPDATED: 10:03 am CDT March 20, 2008

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. -- The husband of a missing Murfreesboro woman is in the middle of a police investigation.

http://i28.tinypic.com/34ifsk6.jpg

Glover Smith's wife Marci disappeared just before Christmas, and he is now accused of harassing a different woman.

In her 20 plus years as a hairdresser, Teresa Goodwin has met plenty of people, but an encounter last week at a Murfreesboro restaurant has caused her concern.

Goodwin said she was sitting at the bar next to Smith, and she said he seemed articulate and very charismatic.

Goodwin said after her encounter with Smith that he later came to her salon for a haircut.

"He really creeped me out," said Goodwin.

After that incident, Goodwin said Smith kept calling her and stopping by the store.

"Yesterday he started calling me at work again, and I was so disturbed I called the police," said Goodwin.

On Wednesday, she filed a report with the Murfreesboro Police Department.

According to the police report, an officer called Smith and told him no to contact Goodwin in any form. Police are keeping watch on Goodwin's salon.

"It's not unlike hairdressers to go out. We always keep our business cards, people need services. It's called marketing, so we hand our cards out. Now I don't feel that safe anymore," said Goodwin.

Channel 4 called Smith for this story, but he hung up the phone on reporter Marc Stewart.

Murfreesboro police would not discuss this case on camera, but they have described the disappearance case of Smith’s wife as a top priority.

Smith's wife's sport utility vehicle was found parked in December at the Murfreesboro Wal-Mart, but there still is no sign of the woman.

Marci Smith's family is offering a $10,000 reward to help find her.

http://www.wsmv.com/news/15651927/detail.html

[Audie]

Just amazing the difference between Murfreesboro LE and the Henry County S.O. who is asking for help in the search for Rachel Conger. :shock:

[Pauli]

You are so right Audie... M'boro LE has not wanted any help from the beginning.. and they have not done any searches of the areas that I think need to be searched... especially the ones where Marcie's phone was found.

[Pauli]

Just now on our local news....

It seems that the first woman that Smith harassed just a month after Marcies disappearing was also harassed by him again this week.. this is a different woman, not the hairdresser that is in the above article...

2 neighbors saw smith parked in front of woman's home on 2 different occasions... he has been calling her home and leaving messages on her answering machine.. wanted her to take him to the optometrist...

[KittyMom]

Just now on our local news....

It seems that the first woman that Smith harassed just a month after Marcies disappearing was also harassed by him again this week.. this is a different woman, not the hairdresser that is in the above article...

2 neighbors saw smith parked in front of woman's home on 2 different occasions... he has been calling her home and leaving messages on her answering machine.. wanted her to take him to the optometrist...

eeeewwwwwwwwww...forget about baiting him HOH. He's wacko.

[Pauli]

LOL.. I can just hear John (his lawyer) right now..... GD Palmer, WTF are you thinking... I can't effin believe you are this stupid...:grin: and that's the mild part before he starts one of his client lectures....

[Pauli]

Another complaint filed against missing woman's husband


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The Murfreesboro woman forced to call police after the husband a woman missing since last year would not leave her alone is not alone.

A second woman has now come forward and said Palmer Smith, the husband of Marsilene Smith, who disappeared in early December 2007 and has not been seen since, has been harassing her.

The woman lives in the Smith's neighborhood and did not want to appear on camera.

According to the police report however, Smith called her four times, leaving messages on her answering machine.

The woman told police, "It seemed like he wanted to talk."

Every since his Marsilene Smith's disappearance, neighbors said they have been on edge, particularly the female ones who live alone.

In the report, the neighbor, who lives by herself, said Smith has been seen parked in front of her residence on two occasions.

Another neighbor who spoke with News 2 off camera said Marsilene Smith visited her just days before her disappearance. She said she was complaining about her husband and even used the words "we don't even like each other."

News 2 spoke with Teresa Goodwin Thursday. She filed a report with police after she said Smith would not stop calling her.

Palmer Smith declined to comment about the allegations of harassment when he was confronted by News 2 at his home Friday.

http://www.wkrn.com/global/story.asp?s=8053213

[KittyMom]

LOL.. I can just hear John (his lawyer) right now..... GD Palmer, WTF are you thinking... I can't effin believe you are this stupid...:grin: and that's the mild part before he starts one of his client lectures....

Sounds like this puke needs someone to talk to him this way. Can you imagine how his kids feel?

[Audie]

LOL.. I can just hear John (his lawyer) right now..... GD Palmer, WTF are you thinking... I can't effin believe you are this stupid...:grin: and that's the mild part before he starts one of his client lectures....
LMAO Harlett!

[Audie]

Okay ... Im gonna have to just come up there and search myself, I guess. Need permission first though. :z0tdntknw:

[Pauli]

I swear Audie, I don't understand why they have not searched the areas to the West of their home... As far as I can find they have not done any ground searches anywhere.

[emmeblu]

My goodness but this case bothers me so bad. I cannot believe they have not done a ground search in every which of direction!
What is up with the husband out after all these women? Sounds like he has some major issues.

:1222423:For Marsilene Smith's children
I know this has got to be very difficult for them. I'd be sitting in LE office everyday wanting a status and where they have been looking.

Thanks for the updates on the husband's weird activity. Sounds sick to me.
JMO

[Pauli]

Developments In Missing Murfreesboro Woman Case
Posted: April 9, 2008 08:10 PM
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MURFREESBORO, Tenn. - There are developments in the case of a missing Murfreesboro woman.

Marcie Smith disappeared nearly six months ago.

The only evidence in the case is this surveillance video from a Wal-Mart parking lot. It shows someone riding a bicycle after parking Smith's sports utility.

Police said her husband, Palmer Smith is not a suspect, but they are monitoring his behavior.

Police have compared the case to the Janet March case. Perry March, a former Nashville attorney, was convicted of murdering his wife, Janet, who disappeared without a trace.

In August 2006, he was found guilty of second-degree murder. Her body has never been found.

Marcie Smith disappeared last December. At the time, her husband, Palmer Smith asked for help to find his wife.

But he has stopped talking and hired a lawyer.

He is also accused of stalking.

Teresa Goodwin said he approached her at a bar and later showed up at her work. She filed a harassment report.

Goodwin said Smith talked of his wife in the past tense.

This remains a missing person's case. Investigators have not found a body. Marcie Smith could be alive.

But NewsChannel 5 has learned Palmer Smith purchased a coffin and headstone for his wife.

"That doesn't mean he's guilty of anything more than that strange behavior, but we do take it seriously and it's part of the overall investigation," said Murfreesboro Police spokesman Kyle Evans.

Smith could not be reached for comment. But the attorney has said that Smith didn't have anything to do with his wife's disappearance.

Video at link

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=8144736

[ferretplay]

Can anybody tell me besides the husband, when was the last time anybody saw or spoke to Marcie ? Sounds like the husband had plenty time to set this up. Maybe he planned to kill her or maybe they got in an argument which got out of control. Then he had to cover it up.
The circumstances of an hour to be abducted,killed,disposed of, the phone in an odd location & her vehicle taken to a shopping parking lot does not make sense. Why was any of these done ?
Seems the story & answers always comes back to the husband. Sounds like the husband is alittle off, harrassing women, buying a casket so soon & without a body??? Sounds a little mental to me.This man does not sound like he is the typical grieving husband.:eyebrow1qb:

[packy]

It is very mysterious, someone parking the car and riding away on a bike, and the actions of the husband are unusual although we're all so different in how we react.

[KittyMom]

But NewsChannel 5 has learned Palmer Smith purchased a coffin and headstone for his wife.


Well, if he killed her he expects her to be found. I do wonder what he had put on the headstone...hmmmmm.

[Audie]

I don't believe we have heard about anyone, besides her husband, that saw her last. You'd think someone would remember seeing her that day or the day before. LE might know and aren't saying anything. I'd say more about what I think might be happening (I don't know anything) except I'm afraid that the person responsible might be reading this. I don't want to give him any ideas.

JMO

[Claudia]

I wish someone would do something to find Marsilene. It has been too long. I keep waiting to hear something. Anyone heard anything about search efforts, or has LE given up on her??? :cryintime:

[KittyMom]

I wish someone would do something to find Marsilene. It has been too long. I keep waiting to hear something. Anyone heard anything about search efforts, or has LE given up on her??? :cryintime:

I'm with you, Claudia. I keep waiting for an announcement that her hubby has been arrested and her remains found. Frankly, I think LE knows that he is responsible and are hoping that he'll slip up and lead them to her. I think he's a mean ole coot. Shame for her children.

[Claudia]

I'm with you, Claudia. I keep waiting for an announcement that her hubby has been arrested and her remains found. Frankly, I think LE knows that he is responsible and are hoping that he'll slip up and lead them to her. I think he's a mean ole coot. Shame for her children.

It is really driving me crazy. I mean, this has just been going on & on. I never felt there was a huge effort made. I could be wrong, but it's just the way I feel.

I agree with you about the husband. I hope something gives soon.

[Pauli]

You are not wrong Claudia, I live within 20 miles of Marsilene. There is nothing that has been done, as far as I can tell. No searches, no nothing. There are plenty of places, in my opinion, near her home that should/could be searched. LE is not saying anything at all.....

[Claudia]

You are not wrong Claudia, I live within 20 miles of Marsilene. There is nothing that has been done, as far as I can tell. No searches, no nothing. There are plenty of places, in my opinion, near her home that should/could be searched. LE is not saying anything at all.....

Why do you suppose that is? Do you think they know something, or do they just not care?

[Pauli]

Beats the heck out of me Claudia. So many missing cases are like this.. that's why they fall through the cracks and are forgotten. If LE has anything at all, they are being very quiet about it.

[Claudia]

Beats the heck out of me Claudia. So many missing cases are like this.. that's why they fall through the cracks and are forgotten. If LE has anything at all, they are being very quiet about it.

That's so sad. I never knew before HFTM how many people went missing & are never found. If they got 1/10 of the media attention the deserve, every person would know exactly how many there are.

I bet LE has nothing & they are just putting in the minimum effort necessary. that seems to be the common theme in missing persons cases.

[KittyMom]

I'm absolutely amazed that this woman is still missing and no arrests have been made in her disappearance. Come on!!!!! How does her abductor get caught on camera pulling a freakin' bike out of the back of her car and riding away and LE has no clue who the guy is??????? This is yet another unbelieveable case. Says something about the cameras in parking lots. They aren't worth the electricity to run.

[Claudia]

I'm absolutely amazed that this woman is still missing and no arrests have been made in her disappearance. Come on!!!!! How does her abductor get caught on camera pulling a freakin' bike out of the back of her car and riding away and LE has no clue who the guy is??????? This is yet another unbelieveable case. Says something about the cameras in parking lots. They aren't worth the electricity to run.

No kidding, KM. This is ridiculous. I feel horrible for her family.

[boroan]

bump...I was reading another crime website just now and found they have expanded to include an area for each state. Within the Tennessee site, there was a topic for links to local missing persons sites; I clicked on the one for Rutherford County and found it was actually a link to the Sheriff's Department's website. There are only two missing persons listed on it, both female, and neither of them Marcie Smith! As a Rutherford County resident, I'm steaming mad to find that she has apparently fallen completely off the radar. The last news I heard was regarding her husband -- apparently he had a serious motorcycle accident (he'd bought a Harley sometime after Marcie disappeared) and was in a Nashville hospital back in the late spring of this year. Since then, I haven't heard a peep. Does anyone out there have any information on this case?

[Pauli]

I live in the area also boroan and I have not been able to get any information about Marcie at all..

[Claudia]

Poor Marsilene... seems she has been forgotten. Very sad. :cray:

FWIW, I haven't forgotten.

[Roamer]

Does anyone think she was located? Sometimes the press doesn't tell us that.

[Lolina]

Did they ever do a search of the Smith house with dogs?

Also, does anyone have any photos of Mr. Smith sitting up in which his posture is visible? Might be good to compare to the photos of the man on the bike.

[Pauli]

Does anyone think she was located? Sometimes the press doesn't tell us that.

No, she hasn't been.. I live down the road from her daughter... and I do work now and then for her husband's attorney. I asked John several weeks ago if they had any more info on Marcie and he said no....

[KittyMom]

I saw something new had been posted and got excited. I thought maybe this poor lady had been found. I just don't get this case.

[grammybears]

I keep hoping that Marci would have been found by now. It is so strange that no one had seen or heard from her.So does anybody think she might have been killed at home after going to Wal Mart ?

[boroan]

I sent an email to the editor of our local paper, the Daily News Journal, today asking if they planned to do any follow-up on this case since we're approaching the one-year anniversary of Marcie's disappearance. I'll let you all know if I hear anything from him. I also asked him if they could prod law enforcement to get something moving on finding either Marcie or her killer, since it doesn't seem that there's any interest in either!

[boroan]

Got a response from the DNJ editor this morning:

Thanks for the feedback and the reminder. It's a story we need to revisit and will.

Thanks again.

Jimmy Hart
Executive Editor
The Daily News Journal
Murfreesboro, Tenn.
615.278.5150 ofc
615.893.4186 fax
hart@dnj.com
Visit www.dnj.com

Nice to know they'll follow up on it -- I'm going to hold him to it.

Grammybear: No, I don't think she was killed after the Walmart video was made; I think she was killed between the time she was seen at Cracker Barrel with her husband that morning (around 6:00 a.m.) and the time the SUV was left at Walmart (2:30 p.m.). I also believe her body was left somewhere off Barfield Crescent Road, in the vicinity of the church yard where her cell phone was found. My guess is that something happened after they left Cracker Barrel, either in the heat of the moment or planned; she was left out in the country (and "the country" doesn't mean it was far from her house; it gets pretty rural just a couple of miles from where she lived); he discovered her phone was still in the vehicle after she'd been removed from it and chucked it out the window thinking it would never be found; he drove to the Walmart across town and abandoned the vehicle. I would say the bike was loaded at the time she was killed -- it likely happened at home, and the coverup plan was either hatched then, or had been in the works for a while. I also think he drove straight from the disposal site to Walmart. And honestly, all this leads to a scary suspicion that it was premeditated: Marcie's granddaughter wrote in comments on the DNJ that the police had seized her grandmother's bike and said it wasn't the one in the video. Several people commented that the bike appeared to be a child's model, and that it appeared to be new, because there seems to be paper in the spokes like you'd find in a cheap bike from a discount store. If that's the case, it would imply premeditation, with the bike bought for that specific purpose and then disposed of sometime between when the SUV was abandoned (2:30 p.m.) and when Palmer reported Marcie missing (approx. 6:00 p.m.).

Lolina: See these three pictures for posture comparison. And no, I never heard of any search of their home, with dogs or otherwise.

Photo of Palmer (Glover?) Smith at the time of the disappearance:
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POI on bike photo:
http://www.murfreesboropost.com/photos/Full8072.jpg

Photo of Palmer Smith in car, April 2008; compare to bike photo (note the jacket in particular -- look familiar?):
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Three articles on what Palmer was up to in the spring of this year:
http://www.wkrn.com/global/story.asp?s=8050894
http://www.wkrn.com/global/story.asp?s=8053213
http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=8144736

Awfully quick to be moving on from the disappearance of your wife of 50+/- years, don't you think? Especially when there was apparently NO active search for her by the family after the first week or so...

I'm still looking for the brief article I saw in the DNJ about his motorcycle accident; I'm thinking it was around June. There was never any followup that I was able to find, so I'm not even sure the man is still alive. He was pretty seriously injured, and may have been in some type of rehab(?). There is something to be said for the idea of karma... I did find this brief mention from the newspaper in the area where the accident happened:
http://www.topix.com/county/marshall-tn/2008/07/husband-of-missing-murfreesboro-woman-hospitalized-following-motorcyle-accident

That's all I can turn up today -- now if we could just turn up the heat on the Rutherford County Sheriff's department to find this lady, and get to a point where there will justice for her!

[Grande]

Excellent post Boroan. Stick around here we need more advocates such as yourself!

[Lolina]

The posture and especially the shoulder stance of the man on the bike matches Mr. Smith's. Am I the only one that thinks so? Can't police see this? Haven't they taken a photo of him on a bike and tried to match it? Especially since word is that he owned a bike, so we know he was capable of riding a bike, and look at that, he even bought a motorcycle-- guess that other little bike wasn't fast enough for him!
:francis:

[PinkPony]

Excellent post Boroan. Stick around here we need more advocates such as yourself!

I agree, Grande:hifive:

Great post Boroan, and yes, please do stick around.

PP

[boroan]

The posture and especially the shoulder stance of the man on the bike matches Mr. Smith's. Am I the only one that thinks so? Can't police see this? Haven't they taken a photo of him on a bike and tried to match it? Especially since word is that he owned a bike, so we know he was capable of riding a bike, and look at that, he even bought a motorcycle-- guess that other little bike wasn't fast enough for him!
:francis:

Lol, no you aren't the only one who thinks so! I think those three pictures I posted are pretty convincing. I don't know if the fact that there isn't a body is hampering this investigation, or if law enforcement has just lost interest in it; I sure hope it's not the latter. There are too many instances of convictions without a body for me to believe they couldn't use circumstantial evidence in this case, since there is certainly a lot of it.

Oh, I need to apologize to the Rutherford County Sheriff's Department for complaining about there being no mention of Marcie on their missing persons website; I realized in my research today that the Murfreesboro Police Department actually has jurisdiction over this case. So, pressure needs to be applied to the MPD to make something happen on this instead of the RCSD...

[grammybears]

Boran, thank you for the information. I always thought it was strange that the family did not do any searches after the first week. Something is not right. So they had breakfast and the vehicle was spotted at WalMart around 2;30. That gives around 5-6 hours that anything could have happened. I sure wish we would hear more and especially that Marci had been found.

Welcome to the boards and I hope we hear more from you.

[Nut44x4]

No new info on missing woman --- November 30, 2008

It's been almost a year since 69-year-old Marcie Smith disappeared from a Murfreesboro Wal-Mart parking lot and police are no closer to finding her.

Smith's sports utility vehicle was found Dec. 7 in a Wal-Mart parking lot on Rutherford Boulevard, about seven miles from her Village Green Circle home in south Murfreesboro.

Glover "Palmer" Smith, her husband, reported her missing a day earlier. He said she failed to return from an afternoon shopping trip.

Murfreesboro Police spokesman Kyle Evans has previously said he wishes Smith's family and the police department could find some closure in the case.

"It's still an open case and we are actively investigating it," Evans said. "However, there is no new information on her disappearance at this time."

Store surveillance video captured in December showed a man pulling a bicycle from the missing woman's vehicle around 2:30 p.m. on Dec. 6, but police have been unable to identify the man in the image. The man's features are difficult to make out on the video because of the distance across the parking lot from the camera.

According to Evans, information is still lacking about the man seen on the bicycle, and police have not been able to determine how Smith's cell phone ended up at Barfield Cresent Road. The location where her cell phone was found is not between her home and Wal-Mart.

Evans said police are still treating the case as a missing-person investigation, but detectives are considering foul play as a possibility.

"But there's still no evidence to even suggest a crime has occurred," Evans previously said.

Murfreesboro Police had warned Palmer to refrain from contacting another woman a little more than three months after his wife went missing.

The woman, Teresa Goodwin, said Palmer continued to call on her at work, even after she asked him to stop. He had introduced himself as the husband of the missing Murfreesboro woman when the two first met.

The Daily News Journal learned in early August that Palmer was hospitalized June 22 after being involved in what a Tennessee State Trooper labeled an "incapacitating" motorcycle accident. He spent time in Vanderbilt University's intensive care unit, as well as Baptist Hospital, following the accident. He has since been released, but his status today is unknown.

Palmer, who was initially cooperative with the media and law enforcement following his wife's disappearance, now declines interviews with DNJ reporters, referring them instead to his attorney.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/D4/20081130/NEWS01/811300314

[boroan]

No new info on missing woman --- November 30, 2008

It's been almost a year since 69-year-old Marcie Smith disappeared from a Murfreesboro Wal-Mart parking lot and police are no closer to finding her.

Smith's sports utility vehicle was found Dec. 7 in a Wal-Mart parking lot on Rutherford Boulevard, about seven miles from her Village Green Circle home in south Murfreesboro.

Glover "Palmer" Smith, her husband, reported her missing a day earlier. He said she failed to return from an afternoon shopping trip.

Murfreesboro Police spokesman Kyle Evans has previously said he wishes Smith's family and the police department could find some closure in the case.

"It's still an open case and we are actively investigating it," Evans said. "However, there is no new information on her disappearance at this time."

Store surveillance video captured in December showed a man pulling a bicycle from the missing woman's vehicle around 2:30 p.m. on Dec. 6, but police have been unable to identify the man in the image. The man's features are difficult to make out on the video because of the distance across the parking lot from the camera.

According to Evans, information is still lacking about the man seen on the bicycle, and police have not been able to determine how Smith's cell phone ended up at Barfield Cresent Road. The location where her cell phone was found is not between her home and Wal-Mart.

Evans said police are still treating the case as a missing-person investigation, but detectives are considering foul play as a possibility.

"But there's still no evidence to even suggest a crime has occurred," Evans previously said.

Murfreesboro Police had warned Palmer to refrain from contacting another woman a little more than three months after his wife went missing.

The woman, Teresa Goodwin, said Palmer continued to call on her at work, even after she asked him to stop. He had introduced himself as the husband of the missing Murfreesboro woman when the two first met.

The Daily News Journal learned in early August that Palmer was hospitalized June 22 after being involved in what a Tennessee State Trooper labeled an "incapacitating" motorcycle accident. He spent time in Vanderbilt University's intensive care unit, as well as Baptist Hospital, following the accident. He has since been released, but his status today is unknown.

Palmer, who was initially cooperative with the media and law enforcement following his wife's disappearance, now declines interviews with DNJ reporters, referring them instead to his attorney.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/D4/20081130/NEWS01/811300314


Ughhhh, crappy article! It's obvious they didn't even bother to re-interview anybody from the MPD, because they keep stating that the Kyle Evans comments were things he'd "previously said". I know more about the case than they've bothered to learn... This is nothing more than a cobbled-together rehash of previous articles. They can't even get the name right; they keep referring to "Palmer" at the end of the article, as if they're on a first-name basis with him! Sorry folks, our local paper is now owned by Gannett, the publisher of the Tennesseean, and this article is just a reprint of the one written for the DNJ and cross-published today. Murfreesboro's hometown paper is now a piece of junk.

And why can't they locate Palmer Smith? The fact that he's gone underground and the family apparently isn't interested in pursuing this smells awfully fishy to me.

[packy]

I wonder how many local people saw the picture of the man on the bike. Someone shopping that day may have seen him but aren't aware of the case since there didn't seem to be a whole lot of search effort.

[Faith]

Missing Woman Case Still a Mystery

Posted: Dec 6, 2008 10:17 PM

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MURFREESBORO, Tenn.- It's a shocking case that's still a mystery. It was one year ago when 69-year-old Marcy Smith disappeared in Rutherford County, and investigators are still looking for a breakthrough in this case.

Murfreesboro Police have gone through the facts and the evidence with a fine tooth comb, and so far they've found some suspicious leads but no smoking gun.

Last December Palmer Smith made an emotional appeal to the public one day after his wife, Marcy Smith, went missing while out on a shopping trip.

"We've been together for 51 years, don't know what life will be like without her," said her husband Palmer Smith.

In the coming days, friends and family members, including Marcy's daughter Leann Barnes, searched desperately for the missing woman.

"I know someone out there can help us find my mother," said Barnes.

But there was no sign of Marcy, and in the weeks and months ahead, a series of perplexing clues would cast suspicion over the last person you might expect, her husband Palmer Smith.

In surveillance video taken at a Wal-Mart parking lot, someone drives Marcy's SUV into a crowded area, then pulls a bicycle out of the trunk and rides away.

"The posture certainly appears like it could be an older person on the bike," said Kyle Evans with Murfreesboro Police.

Shortly after the video was released, Palmer Smith stopped talking to media and the police about the case and hired an attorney. Although Marcy Smith has never been found, News Channel 5 discovered earlier this year that Palmer Smith had already purchased a funeral plan for his wife.

"That doesn't mean he's guilty of anything but unusual behavior, but that is part of our investigation," said Evans.

Murfreesboro Police didn't talk about the case Saturday because they say, right now, there are no new developments to report. But it is important to remember that this is still a missing person's case. There's been no proof of foul play, though police aren't ruling that possibility out.

News Channel 5 attempted to contact Palmer Smith Saturday, but the family declined to speak with us.

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=9471370

[Faith]

Attorney: Map Could Provide Clues In Missing Woman's Case

Posted: Dec 9, 2008 06:22 PM

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. - Murfreesboro detectives are investigating a link between a recently acquired map and a missing woman.

Marcie Smith disappeared without a trace one year ago.

Investigators have a map that could lead to the location of her body.

Attorney John Norton represents Palmer Smith whose wife disappeared in Murfreesboro. Police have reviewed surveillance video from Wal-Mart. The video shows a man pulling a bicycle from Marcie Smith's vehicle in the parking lot. The video was captured on the day Smith disappeared.

Someone sent a map from Memphis to Palmer on Saturday, which was the first anniversary of his wife's disappearance.

The map pointed to a road, which is located on marshy land near the Mississippi River. The area is about one hour north of where the Smiths lived in Covington, Tenn.

Detectives believe the map may show the location of her body. They plan to search the area in Lauderdale County in West Tennessee.

It remains unclear who sent the map.

"Somebody who has some knowledge about the disappearance of and death of Marcelline Smith," Norton said.

The envelope and The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation has the map and an envelope, which will both be tested.

TBI agents declined comment, but Murfreesboro police consider the map an important clue.

Norton said his client didn't have anything to do with his wife's disappearance.

Norton said Marcie Smith didn't have any life insurance. Her husband has access to all of the family's assets so he'd have nothing to gain by revealing the location of a body if he killed her and stashed the body.

Video

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=9493855

[KittyMom]

:rolleyes: What a load. On the one year anniversary, the person who disappeared his wife is suddenly going to develop a conscience and send him a map of where to find her. I'll just bet that LE is interested in that map. IF they can prove that it was created by Palmer, they're going to send him to jail for the rest of his short life.

[packy]

This is very strange. Who knows if it shows a true indication of where she may be found or that it is a hoax.

[boroan]

I'm with you Kittymom, this is a load of crap! Lauderdale County is at least a 3 1/2 - 4 hour drive from Murfreesboro, what possible reason could someone other than her husband have to drop off a little old lady's body there and send cute li'l clues to the location a year later? There was a comment on a local site way back on this case where someone suggested that Palmer Smith had been seen in west Tennessee around the time of Marcie's disappearance, and that it wasn't normal for him to be down there. I'll see if I can find that comment and post it.

Sounds to me like Palmer's either grown a little bit of a conscience and wants his wife to have a proper burial, or he thinks he's committed the perfect crime and wants to finish the thing. Either way, I sure hope the TBI is doing some fingerprint and DNA testing on the mysterious envelope!

[boroan]

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I heard it was Tuesday Nov 29th. Do you mean Tuesday Dec 2nd?
Also, rumor has it the husband has made several trips in the past few weeks to the house they still own in Covington.


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I thought that house was sold. That would be a good place to look.


The above is the forum comments I remembered -- they were written on January 29, 2008. Covington is in Tipton County, just south of Lauderdale County.

Here's a later comment:

cov1

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The house in Covington has not been sold. Someone in the neighborhood stated there is an unused septic tank on the property. Makes you wonder?????