February 14th Afternoon Discussion

[sciencegirl]

Here we go folks.

[lovelaw]

Present!~

[Kara]

Hello

[vintage_rose]

Here too!

[kindee]

I think we're scaring the mods with our 800 post threads. HEEEEEEEEEEE

[annalyzer]

Here. :basic45:

[troubledblondie]

Here we go folks.


lordy yall may need to put a GPS system on me lol

so i can keep up:kidding-01:

[shortcake]

Looks like my neighbor's visit and daughter's phone call helped me miss the defense resting, but I take it that it was no big deal.

[spunkylubbock]

Hi folks! It looks like everyone is making it over here!

[sciencegirl]

I keep forgetting about the post count. I'm using to counting pages at that dark place

[sciencegirl]

Looks like my neighbor's visit and daughter's phone call helped me miss the defense resting, but I take it that it was no big deal.

It was absolutely no big deal. Actually, took me by surprise.

[kindee]

lordy yall may need to put a GPS system on me lol

so i can keep up:kidding-01:




Ya done good, and your kitty avatar is adorable!

Come on judge, YOU said your motto is "let it all in and let the jury decide".

:innocent0001:


The judge doesn't link the photographs with the plot? WHAT? WHAT?

[annalyzer]

Looks like my neighbor's visit and daughter's phone call helped me miss the defense resting, but I take it that it was no big deal.


So the defense rested? What was their defense again? :z0tdntknw:

[gramvof14]

It was absolutely no big deal. Actually, took me by surprise.

Thanks SG for the afternoon thread:)

[shortcake]

Don't think Jambois is going to get anywhere with his rebuttal requests here. Remember this morning that judge said when he believes he's going to rule against a side, he will question them more so they will have chance to argue their point. Hmmm

[jcc]

So the defense rested? What was their defense again? :z0tdntknw:

I think the defense is Mark says he didn't do it. Oh... and his mom and dad and sister say so too.

[mitch]

Here we go folks.

thanks SG

[johnielee333]

come on judge

[lost indie]

I keep forgetting about the post count. I'm using to counting pages at that dark place

Poor warhorse...

:1187603408.CR.Mothe

I miss her lost in the abyss....

even the rats jumped off the Titanic...

[kindee]

Albee is going to argue against EVERY possible rebuttal witness.

I say the jury doesn't get this until Tuesday.

[mitch]

why didn't Jambois bring this PI in the CIC?

[Xmygrits]

Aaddaaa baa leeb abaleeeb bleeeb....

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Xmygrits/albee.jpg

Thank you Mr. Albee

[sciencegirl]

Thanks SG for the afternoon thread:)

You're welcome everyone :s1gyahoo:

[annalyzer]

Poor warhorse...

:1187603408.CR.Mothe

I miss her lost in the abyss....

even the rats jumped off the Titanic...


She has been invited here hasn't she?

[spunkylubbock]

Albee is going to argue against EVERY possible rebuttal witness.

I say the jury doesn't get this until Tuesday.

Kindee, weren't you the one who predicted this before Albee rested? Or was it someone else?

[kindee]

Don't think Jambois is going to get anywhere with his rebuttal requests here. Remember this morning that judge said when he believes he's going to rule against a side, he will question them more so they will have chance to argue their point. Hmmm




I think the judge is going to bend over backwards during this rebuttal to preserve the issues for appeal; this one is already a minefield. I bet the judge doesn't let in everyone Jambois wants. :girl_sad:

[JoolzRoolz]

why didn't Jambois bring this PI in the CIC?

He said something about "just talking to him Saturday". But that is a good question.

[Orchid Corsage]

So the defense rested? What was their defense again? :z0tdntknw:

Annalyzer, :0009:

For Jambois! :1222423:

Justice for Julie :1222423:

Hey you great posters, I am leaving the buidling for awhile! Have fun, see you all later! :) it's shop or starve! LOL :022: Bye Bye off I go out into the cold! :happy0207:

[annalyzer]

You're welcome everyone :s1gyahoo:

:basic44:

[jcc]

How can Albee say they didn't dispute the facts of the stalking part of the case. I'd have to sit and think about it, but I remember them denying it and denying it.

Oh... they denied it during cross of prosecution case, not during the defenses CIC. Strategy.

[kindee]

Kindee, weren't you the one who predicted this before Albee rested? Or was it someone else?




Yes I did. Because he can, and it might work.

[sciencegirl]

Albee is going to argue against EVERY possible rebuttal witness.

I say the jury doesn't get this until Tuesday.

I got thinking about that; and I think you're right. Albee has to whine half of the trial day; heck; it may not happen till next Friday the way he rambles on.

[jcc]

Bye Bye off I go out into the cold! :happy0207:

Stay warm!

[lovelaw]

Albee is going to argue against EVERY possible rebuttal witness.

I say the jury doesn't get this until Tuesday.

I'll be surprised if it is Monday. But, they do have all day tomorrow. Sooooo...maybe.

QUESTION:

Why would MJ think that Julie would think it was her in the pics??

[sciencegirl]

Annalyzer, :0009:

For Jambois! :1222423:

Justice for Julie :1222423:

Hey you great posters, I am leaving the buidling for awhile! Have fun, see you all later! :) it's shop or starve! LOL :022: Bye Bye off I go out into the cold! :happy0207:

:0012: See ya soon Orchid and as always, hurry back.

[kindee]

I think the defense is Mark says he didn't do it. Oh... and his mom and dad and sister say so too.


Welllllll, the sister, maybe not so much...:girl_haha:

[annalyzer]

Annalyzer, :0009:

For Jambois! :1222423:

Justice for Julie :1222423:

Hey you great posters, I am leaving the buidling for awhile! Have fun, see you all later! :) it's shop or starve! LOL :022: Bye Bye off I go out into the cold! :happy0207:


Be careful and see you later. And pick me up some candy for Valentine's day would ya? :flirt99:

[mitch]

He said something about "just talking to him Saturday". But that is a good question.

he may have just spoken to him sat, but he has been on the witness list since day one.

[lovelaw]

Annalyzer, :0009:

For Jambois! :1222423:

Justice for Julie :1222423:

Hey you great posters, I am leaving the buidling for awhile! Have fun, see you all later! :) it's shop or starve! LOL :022: Bye Bye off I go out into the cold! :happy0207:

:0012:

[Orchid Corsage]

She has been invited here hasn't she?


I think WH posted here a few times, very early on! I have noticed she posts at the MJ site on Tru sometimes. I wish she was here. :)

[annalyzer]

I'll be surprised if it is Monday. But, they do have all day tomorrow. Sooooo...maybe.

QUESTION:

Why would MJ think that Julie would think it was her in the pics??

Only the back of the woman's head was showing and it looked like her hair? :0009:

[sciencegirl]

OMG!!! Judge!!! What are you thinking!!!!

[lovelaw]

Was Julie thinking that MJ 'photo shopped" her into the photos? Otherwise, she would have to know if it was her....right???????????

[sciencegirl]

Did you all see Mark just laugh out loud when Albee started in? What a piece of work.

[spunkylubbock]

Annalyzer, :0009:

For Jambois! :1222423:

Justice for Julie :1222423:

Hey you great posters, I am leaving the buidling for awhile! Have fun, see you all later! :) it's shop or starve! LOL :022: Bye Bye off I go out into the cold! :happy0207:
Bye Orchid!:happy0207: BTW, I haven't told ya that I love your avatar!

Jambois in my hero!!!

[vintage_rose]

QUESTION:

Why would MJ think that Julie would think it was her in the pics??

I'm confused about the photos too. If Julie thought the photos were of her...and she only had a brief affair that weekend with PT....who took the photos? They were taken in her house? and by whom?

[bigkitty]

Annalyzer, :0009:

For Jambois! :1222423:

Justice for Julie :1222423:

Hey you great posters, I am leaving the buidling for awhile! Have fun, see you all later! :) it's shop or starve! LOL :022: Bye Bye off I go out into the cold! :happy0207:

See you later Orchid Corsage!

[lovelaw]

Only the back of the woman's head was showing and it looked like her hair? :0009:


But........if I was actually "IN" a picture like THAT, I'd remember it.

[spunkylubbock]

Go Jammy!!!!!! Get a Griffin on the stand!!

[annalyzer]

Was Julie thinking that MJ 'photo shopped" her into the photos? Otherwise, she would have to know if it was her....right???????????

Unless she thought that her ex lover, "the creep", secretly took photos of them?

[kindee]

Albee doesn't want any Griffin brothers on the stand. huh. Imagine that.

[StoneFox]

I'll be surprised if it is Monday. But, they do have all day tomorrow. Sooooo...maybe.

QUESTION:

Why would MJ think that Julie would think it was her in the pics??

I'm wondering about that too. The ONLY way is if Mark told her that. If Mark told her he got a phone call the day of getting a porno pic on his truck, and the caller said it was Julie.

Very, very sad :1187603408.CR.Mothe

She tried so hard to please him, to be the perfect wife and mother, she would even believe his lies!

[sciencegirl]

Albee doesn't want any Griffin brothers on the stand. huh. Imagine that.

Albee makes me vomit

[lost indie]

Julie's dad was a boy scout leader...

ironic that....

nah....won't go there...

:71526:

[KellBell]

oh Judge come on! Why does Albee get to trash the Jensens and Jambois can't rebut that????

[lovelaw]

I'm confused about the photos too. If Julie thought the photos were of her...and she only had a brief affair that weekend with PT....who took the photos? They were taken in her house? and by whom?

I really don't get it.

I would think that ANY person would know if it was really them in a picture of that nature....having certainly remembered the incident????

[kindee]

Was Julie thinking that MJ 'photo shopped" her into the photos? Otherwise, she would have to know if it was her....right???????????


She never looked at them. She'd glance and look away.

She must have told Mark what KIND of affair she and Perry had. And the photos weren't exactly "faces".

Yeah, she did think it was "the creep" who had photo'd her.

So the judge can't put on the Griffin brothers?

THAT is outrageous. Really, judge.

Oh, man.

[texaslinda]

Argue it, Jammy!!!

I just saw Bobby Cutts jury is still out! How can that be? And will that happen here???Have juries gone stupid all of a sudden? If it looks like a duck and quacks--it's a DUCK!

Ok, I'm stepping down from the soapbox... It's just killin' me...

[sciencegirl]

Oh yeah; Paul is going to testify about conversations he had with Mark. Yipppe Skippeee. Perfect for rebuttal.

[troubledblondie]

bbl gotta get the kids

[mitch]

judge is making a mistake by not letting jambois put on the brothers to rebut what the pastor said about the family.

[kindee]

I really don't get it.

I would think that ANY person would know if it was really them in a picture of that nature....having certainly remembered the incident????



She probably did think it could have been her. But it wasn't.

[shortcake]

Patrick and Paul will be testifying. Wow!

[mitch]

albee is getting flustered.

[kindee]

judge is making a mistake by not letting jambois put on the brothers to rebut what the pastor said about the family.




I agree. this is NOT fair nor right. They need to rebut that pastor! cripes!


Not fair. not fair at all.

Julie gets slammed and needs to answer the lies. Oh, judge. I've lost all hope for this trial. You don't have a clue, man.

[lovelaw]

Unless she thought that her ex lover, "the creep", secretly took photos of them?


Possible.....IF she did THAT with Perry. It would also seem that Perry would have been "otherwise occupied", and not in a "position" (no pun intended) to take pictures of that nature.

[kindee]

Julie's dad was a boy scout leader...

ironic that....

nah....won't go there...

:71526:




Sounds like the Griffins were the REAL Scout family, doesn't it? *sigh*

[sciencegirl]

I think Albee is going to end up with a severe stuttering problem when this trial is over.

Shut up your face Albee.

[bigkitty]

What the heck! I do not understand the judge's thinking re Ellis, and not allowing one of the Griffins to take the stand after the Griffins were basically slandered by the defense. I am not happy! This seems to be totally unfair to Julie!:mad:

Spiro, Denton and that Pastor brought all this up for rebuttal IMO.

[KellBell]

I'm confused about the photos too. If Julie thought the photos were of her...and she only had a brief affair that weekend with PT....who took the photos? They were taken in her house? and by whom?


I am and have been SOOO confused about Julie thinking the photos were of her. I have said many many times that I would know if someone took pictures of me HOWEVER....warning...scary story here...

I dated a guy years ago who had a brother who was a ladies man (to put it nicely) and they lived in a condo together. One day while visiting the guy I was dating showed me that his brother had a hidden camera in his closet facing his bed that he would video tape girls he brought home :shock:

Needless to say I didn't marry that guy... too close for comfort for me.

[shortcake]

Albee thinks he kept the door closed. Has his office really not been reading the boards? Maybe they're just reading a different one. Oh I do hope!

[johnielee333]

shut up albee

[sciencegirl]

but, but, but, but, but, Albee you are a loser.

[mitch]

I think Albee is going to end up with a severe stuttering problem when this trial is over.

Shut up your face Albee.


OMG SG i was just saying the same thing.

SHUT up albee and let us get on with it.

[kindee]

Possible.....IF she did THAT with Perry. It would also seem that Perry would have been "otherwise occupied", and not in a "position" (no pun intended) to take pictures of that nature.




Mark convinced her it was Perry; he must have taken the photos without her knowledge (Julie's inference). Whatever Julie told Mark, he used THAT against her. So he must have known something we don't.

Oh, let me tell you I know a COACH who was taking photos for YEARS and nobody knew it. Not hard to do at ALL---or Julie must have been convinced.

eta. the coach used a video surveillance camera in slow mo and just stopped the stills he liked. He was nowhere near the camera or the 'action' at the time.

[JoolzRoolz]

he may have just spoken to him sat, but he has been on the witness list since day one.

Yea he said that too. I think the point was he decided not to call him during CIC and something was said Sat to make him want to put him on rebuttal. :0009:

[jcc]

Albee makes me vomit

me too

[lovelaw]

She probably did think it could have been her. But it wasn't.

But, WHY would she THINK it was her????? Unless...as I suggested earlier, she thought he was "fabricating" the photos and "adding" her to them as a form of emotional torture??

Otherwise, I don't understand why she would believe it was her in the pics.

[annalyzer]

Possible.....IF she did THAT with Perry. It would also seem that Perry would have been "otherwise occupied", and not in a "position" (no pun intended) to take pictures of that nature.

I guess she told Mark that they did do "that". And if Perry? was at her home all weekend he would have had the opportunity to hide a camera, or video camera and then take stills from it. I don't know.

[spunkylubbock]

OMG SG i was just saying the same thing.

SHUT up albee and let us get on with it.

My sentiments EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!

[Xmygrits]

Albee..........http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Xmygrits/smilyshutup1391.gif

[shortcake]

Possible.....IF she did THAT with Perry. It would also seem that Perry would have been "otherwise occupied", and not in a "position" (no pun intended) to take pictures of that nature.
It's possible that Mark led her to believe that Perry had probably set something up to set her up for photos unknown to her. If they were closeup pics and she never really looked at the pics up close, she could have fallen for the accusations... I'm just trying to think.

[kindee]

I am and have been SOOO confused about Julie thinking the photos were of her. I have said many many times that I would know if someone took pictures of me HOWEVER....warning...scary story here...

I dated a guy years ago who had a brother who was a ladies man (to put it nicely) and they lived in a condo together. One day while visiting the guy I was dating showed me that his brother had a hidden camera in his closet facing his bed that he would video tape girls he brought home :shock:

Needless to say I didn't marry that guy... too close for comfort for me.



yep. It's WAY more common than we want to think.

and IF Mark convinced Julie it WAS Perry, she would have figured the same thing---he had managed to photo her somehow.

But man, what a mental nightmare.

Poor jury. Are they sitting in the jury room all this time?

[KellBell]

Albee...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o257/ksquare71/1188833636735.gif

[bigkitty]

I guess she told Mark that they did do "that". And if Perry? was at her home all weekend he would have had the opportunity to hide a camera, or video camera and then take stills from it. I don't know.


I think your right. MJ probably convinced her that Perry had hidden a videocamera somewhere in the room.

[jcc]

http://th170.photobucket.com/albums/u272/DrNickDC/th_tantrum.jpg
Albee is crying again. (except he's not this cute)

[sciencegirl]

Here we go. Albee is going to call for a Mistrial, you watch.

[StoneFox]

judge is making a mistake by not letting jambois put on the brothers to rebut what the pastor said about the family.

A agree mitch!!

Who better as rebuttal witnesses :z0tdntknw:

ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Albee absolutely gets on my last nerve with the garbage he argues.

I can't believe any of these arguments are grounds for appeal. They are beyond the realms of reason.

[texaslinda]

Did I hear the judge say "The defense is going nowhere?"

[lovelaw]

Mark convinced her it was Perry; he must have taken the photos without her knowledge (Julie's inference). Whatever Julie told Mark, he used THAT against her. So he must have known something we don't.

Oh, let me tell you I know a COACH who was taking photos for YEARS and nobody knew it. Not hard to do at ALL---or Julie must have been convinced.

eta. the coach used a video surveillance camera in slow mo and just stopped the stills he liked. He was nowhere near the camera or the 'action' at the time.



If she believed the photos were truly her, then I think she had more than a one night stand with Perry.

*ICK* What is wrong with some people?!~ Disgusting, and disturbing!

[Xmygrits]

http://th170.photobucket.com/albums/u272/DrNickDC/th_tantrum.jpg

Perfect!

[johnielee333]

albee is so disrespectful to this judge , he should go to jail

[spunkylubbock]

Here Albee goes again. Does anyone else think he does this....whines, agrues about all this stuff for the appeal just to intimidate Judge Schroeder?

[texaslinda]

http://th170.photobucket.com/albums/u272/DrNickDC/th_tantrum.jpg
Albee is crying again. (except he's not this cute)



:67302:

[jcc]

jury is out for this.

[KellBell]

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o257/ksquare71/Baby-Cry.gif

[lovelaw]

Albee...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o257/ksquare71/1188833636735.gif


:67302:
His arms are going to fall off!~

[sciencegirl]

Albee -

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x319/thehoneedew01/SMILEY%20FACES/Crazy.jpg

[annalyzer]

If she believed the photos were truly her, then I think she had more than a one night stand with Perry.

*ICK* What is wrong with some people?!~ Disgusting, and disturbing!


It was a three day stand.

[StoneFox]

Albee...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o257/ksquare71/1188833636735.gif

:girl_haha: Good one KellBell!!

(sorry about your BIL. I have great emapthy for you and your family.)
:1222423:

[sciencegirl]

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o257/ksquare71/Baby-Cry.gif

Oh; that's priceless. :67302:

[kindee]

But, WHY would she THINK it was her????? Unless...as I suggested earlier, she thought he was "fabricating" the photos and "adding" her to them as a form of emotional torture??

Otherwise, I don't understand why she would believe it was her in the pics.



Imo she thought Perry was the perp. So he MUST have got the photos, and it might well have BEEN her. In her mind. She could have thought it was her--I think she did??? We are missing each other here lovelaw. She must have indeed confessed to Mark the nature of her affair with Perry.

Why wouldn't she think it was her if she was in that situation and Perry became "the creep"? And she didn't study the photos; I doubt she looked at them at all. No doubt the "features" were all...anatomically correct as it were. Close to her coloring, etc. And probably perry's...measurements. At a glance, it would probably look...realistic?

[sciencegirl]

Kindee - I'm sure I have nothing to worry about missing the closing arguments with Albee's rambles.

[jcc]

I think Albee just makes things up.... this is such baloney. He gives false arguments... that requires awfully quick thinking to back up with example... even though you know its baloney... and hopes he gets his way on false premise. Sleeze.

[lovelaw]

It's possible that Mark led her to believe that Perry had probably set something up to set her up for photos unknown to her. If they were closeup pics and she never really looked at the pics up close, she could have fallen for the accusations... I'm just trying to think.



That is possible. But, man, a one stand goes a long way I guess!~ :francis:

[kindee]

If she believed the photos were truly her, then I think she had more than a one night stand with Perry.

*ICK* What is wrong with some people?!~ Disgusting, and disturbing!



I think it was over a long weekend.

You know, maybe she was lonely and reaching out to a friend. It happens.

[jcc]

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o257/ksquare71/Baby-Cry.gif


THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST!!! PLEASE KEEP IT HANDY FROM NOW TILL THE END!!!!

[mitch]

Here we go. Albee is going to call for a Mistrial, you watch.


everybody go buy a 12pack. because he is going to make a motion after every rebut witness.

[shortcake]

o/t Have ya'll seen the picture from when Albee requested for the change of venue? Schroeder has a much nicer, fancier courtroom I must say

[sciencegirl]

This judge has really come around since the first week of the trial. I was really worried about him. He couldn't remember anything; he wasn't listening at times; and now, look at him; he has to tell Albee what was testified to. LMAO

[KellBell]

What if MARK took pictures of her without her knowing...I wouldn't put anyting past him.

[texaslinda]

That is possible. But, man, a one stand goes a long way I guess!~ :francis:

I just don't know how she could have thought that, as she and Perry didn't do what was depicted in the pictures, did they??? I thought the testimony by Perry is that they just had regular sex...

[KellBell]

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o257/ksquare71/judge-3.gif

[Xmygrits]

*snipped* She must have indeed confessed to Mark the nature of her affair with Perry.

Why wouldn't she think it was her if she was in that situation and Perry became "the creep"? And she didn't study the photos; I doubt she looked at them at all. No doubt the "features" were all...anatomically correct as it were. Close to her coloring, etc. And probably perry's...measurements. At a glance, it would probably look...realistic?


I have a hunch Mark FORCED Julie to divulge every single tiny detail of the one night stand between her and Perry. Perhaps if oral sex occured, Mark focused on that big time, thus the content of the photos she assumed was of her. Again, just my hunch.

[lovelaw]

Imo she thought Perry was the perp. So he MUST have got the photos, and it might well have BEEN her. In her mind. She could have thought it was her--I think she did??? We are missing each other here lovelaw. She must have indeed confessed to Mark the nature of her affair with Perry.

Why wouldn't she think it was her if she was in that situation and Perry became "the creep"? And she didn't study the photos; I doubt she looked at them at all. No doubt the "features" were all...anatomically correct as it were. Close to her coloring, etc. And probably perry's...measurements. At a glance, it would probably look...realistic?



It makes some sense considering that she may have told MJ of the acts they performed together. AND...I BELIEVE MJ would have asked her EVERY detail.

I see it...I see it now.....just needed to talk it out!~:girl_haha:

[kindee]

What if MARK took pictures of her without her knowing...I wouldn't put anyting past him.


I think she knew since MARK for sure wasn't there "that" weekend, it HAD to be Perry.

[lovelaw]

I have a hunch Mark FORCED Julie to divulge every single tiny detail of the one night stand between her and Perry. Perhaps if oral sex occured, Mark focused on that big time, thus the content of the photos she assumed was of her. Again, just my hunch.



Just what I posted below yours!~ I'll BET he did, too!~

[sciencegirl]

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[KellBell]

I think she knew since MARK for sure wasn't there "that" weekend, it HAD to be Perry.

I just mean he could have taken pictures of her, left them out and led her to believe Perry had taken them and he was the stalker.

[kindee]

It makes some sense considering that she may have told MJ of the acts they performed together. AND...I BELIEVE MJ would have asked her EVERY detail.

I see it...I see it now.....just needed to talk it out!~:girl_haha:



EVERY detail, including Perry's...Boy Scout. So it probably DID match up well in the photos. Mark had a large collection from which to choose...sort of a perp lineup for BJ photos...

[Xmygrits]

Just what I posted below yours!~ I'll BET he did, too!~

I saw that! :zm10:

[jcc]

What if MARK took pictures of her without her knowing...I wouldn't put anyting past him.

I think many of the photos were of close up bj's, were they not? It might be hard to tell...

[kindee]

I just mean he could have taken pictures of her, left them out and led her to believe Perry had taken them and he was the stalker.




I think the "star" of the photos wasn't the woman or her face but the...boy scout.

[gramvof14]

OMG Albee give it a break its comming in stop running your mouth off.:0doh::doh::71541:

[kindee]

I think many of the photos were of close up bj's, were they not? It might be hard to tell...



right. I don't think the "faces" were identifiable, and I don't think Julie looked very closely at any rate.

[sciencegirl]

OMG Albee give it a break its comming in stop running your mouth off.:0doh::doh::71541:

He can't help himself; can he?? I have never seen a defense lawyer like him in my life. At least you could laugh at Bruce Cutler; but Albee can really raise your blood pressure.

[lovelaw]

I just don't know how she could have thought that, as she and Perry didn't do what was depicted in the pictures, did they??? I thought the testimony by Perry is that they just had regular sex...

I am thinking that was an understatement of the facts.

[Xmygrits]

I think many of the photos were of close up bj's, were they not? It might be hard to tell...

Thats what I'm thinking. And since she was already emotionally distrought over the fling, she probably did not look very long at the pictures, but turned away embarressed...ashamed. Poor girl.

[RayStar]

OMG Albee give it a break its comming in stop running your mouth off.:0doh::doh::71541:


Yippee

[sciencegirl]

Ted Vogt on the stand. I love him.

[kindee]

Ted Vojt on for the pros rebuttal. here we go!

[KellBell]

I think the "star" of the photos wasn't the woman or her face but the...boy scout.

O I C

interesting...

[lovelaw]

Ted Vojt on for the pros rebuttal. here we go!

BRING IT!~:hifive:

[sciencegirl]

Ted Vogt on the stand. I love him.

I LOVE HIM!!!! I didn't realize Julie told Ted that.

[JoolzRoolz]

I LOVE HIM!!!! I didn't realize Julie told Ted that.

Told Ted what? I missed it ::shakes fist at phone:: .

[sciencegirl]

Albee you A$$

[Xmygrits]

Oh Albee is a total jackass. There! I said it, black and white.

[sciencegirl]

Did you hear Albee. Why are you looking at the prosecutor??? OMG I hate Albee so much.

[jcc]

Mr Wojt is SO credible overall. I wish he'd just say he didn't mention it that day. There were lots of things he knew that he probably didn't mention.

If Albee is a jerk to him... well, I'm not sure the jury can dislike Albee any more than they already do.

[mitch]

albee is a dickhead, that's probably why MJ has him as his lawyer.

JMO

[Xmygrits]

albee is a dickhead, that's probably why MJ has him as his lawyer.

JMO

:shock: I knew there was a reason why I loved you!!!!! Ya mah kinda girl!

[annalyzer]

Who is this witness?

[annalyzer]

albee is a dickhead, that's probably why MJ has him as his lawyer.

JMO


:girl_haha:

[sciencegirl]

Who is this witness?

Next door neighbor that Julie gave her letter to.

[RayStar]

Good witness

[JoolzRoolz]

Who is this witness?

Neighbor of the Jensens. He testified during pros CIC that Julie thought her husband may be trying to kill her, testified to Julie being upset on occasions, and he was the one Julie gave the sealed letter to to be given to the police in the event of her death.

[annalyzer]

Next door neighbor that Julie gave her letter to.


:basic44:

[RayStar]

albee is a dickhead, that's probably why MJ has him as his lawyer.

JMO
ITA:zm10::hifive::faintTHUD:

[jcc]

Albee is really making brownie points with the jury here....

http://th111.photobucket.com/albums/n145/semaanassemany/th_poop.jpg

[spunkylubbock]

Mr Wojt is SO credible overall. I wish he'd just say he didn't mention it that day. There were lots of things he knew that he probably didn't mention.

If Albee is a jerk to him... well, I'm not sure the jury can dislike Albee any more than they already do.

I'm not sure about that. I'm hating Albee more right now. If he keeps badgering Wojt I don't think it's gonna help Mark's case.

[sciencegirl]

This jury is going to hate Albee after the way he is treating Ted.

[StoneFox]

That's just down right rude of Albee to hand him that stack of papers and tell him to look for his statement.

Obviously Albee knows exactly where that statement is and could have been a NICE person and pointed it out.

:71541:

[mitch]

Albee is really making brownie points with the jury here....

http://th111.photobucket.com/albums/n145/semaanassemany/th_poop.jpg

OMG that is discustin.

lmao

[sciencegirl]

Albee is really making brownie points with the jury here....

http://th111.photobucket.com/albums/n145/semaanassemany/th_poop.jpg

ewwwwwwwwwww; but darn funny. :67302:

[annalyzer]

O/T Are you supposed to add one degree to an underarm temperature?

[JoolzRoolz]

O/T Are you supposed to add one degree to an underarm temperature?

Yep.

[jcc]

I wish he could just say... I knew a lot that isn't in that report.

Geepers... not like they could interview him for weeks. How could you possibly anticipate what might become important.

[sciencegirl]

That's just down right rude of Albee to hand him that stack of papers and tell him to look for his statement.

Obviously Albee knows exactly where that statement is and could have been a NICE person and pointed it out.

:71541:

I think the fact is; it's not in the report. That's what he's tryiing to get him on. Why didn't you tell Det. Ratz about this.

[mitch]

the only thing the jury is going to remember is when TW said i don't know about all those papers i just know what julie said.

[shortcake]

O/T Are you supposed to add one degree to an underarm temperature?

yes, who's sick?

[kindee]

Albee is really making brownie points with the jury here....

http://th111.photobucket.com/albums/n145/semaanassemany/th_poop.jpg



Oh iiiiiiiiiiiiiiyyyyyyyyuuuuuuuuck! :67302:

[sciencegirl]

I love it. Would you like to review your preliminary hearing. Um, No. Gotta love it.

[spunkylubbock]

That's just down right rude of Albee to hand him that stack of papers and tell him to look for his statement.

Obviously Albee knows exactly where that statement is and could have been a NICE person and pointed it out.

:71541:

Albee can't be nice!!! He can only be "fake nice!"

[kindee]

I love it. Would you like to review your preliminary hearing. Um, No. Gotta love it.




That was funny.

:girl_haha:

[KellBell]

OK gotta take DD to the movies. Keep good notes. I will check back later.

[sciencegirl]

That was funny.

:girl_haha:

Ted is so credible and likeable. I wish he were my neighbor.

[sciencegirl]

OK gotta take DD to the movies. Keep good notes. I will check back later.

Bye Kell :0012:

[jcc]

I'm not sure about that. I'm hating Albee more right now. If he keeps badgering Wojt I don't think it's gonna help Mark's case.

You are absolutely right. I didn't think I could despise him any more... yet, I also find I'm despising him more, too.

He is definitely not going to help his case... and I hope at some point the judge will tell Albee enough is enough.

[mitch]

I love it. Would you like to review your preliminary hearing. Um, No. Gotta love it.

:party52:he is good.

[StoneFox]

I think the fact is; it's not in the report. That's what he's tryiing to get him on. Why didn't you tell Det. Ratz about this.

:girl_haha: :o:waitasec: Oh, looks like I got lost there.

Thank you for letting me know what is going on SG :0012:

[sciencegirl]

:girl_haha: :o:waitasec: Oh, looks like I got lost there.

Thank you for letting me know what is going on SG :0012:

No problem whatsoever.

[StoneFox]

I love it. Would you like to review your preliminary hearing. Um, No. Gotta love it.

:hifive: that was a good one!

[jcc]

Albee moves into his condescending posturing of hands behind his head... and his snot voice. ARGHHHHH>>>


Good answer, Mr. Wojt. I said it many times.... I don't decide what is important to write down.

[sciencegirl]

Drop it Albee... No don't...keep going. Make the jury hate you more.

[annalyzer]

yes, who's sick?

Dang took forever to get on here.

My poor momma. Late stages of Alzheimer's on hospice and sick on top of that. I just brought her home from the nursing home last Monday to care for her here and take better care of her. She was sick when I brought her home and they hadn't even started giving her meds yet. She's had a low grade fever for dayssss. Down now at 99.5.

[spunkylubbock]

Wow! Wojt is holding up very well under Albee's badgering. I really like him too.

[shortcake]

Poor guy. I think some things get lost in translation. I just hope he doesn't offer up anything that opens another door.

[bigkitty]

Albee is wasting his time. It's clear that this guy remembers Julie telling him this info and that he relayed it many times. Like he said, he thought it was important, even if the detective didn't. I think he's extremely credible.

[StoneFox]

O/T Romney annouces he is backing McCain.

[mitch]

i remember some crazy chit that's been said to me. one thing i'll never forget that was said more then 25 years ago. this girl at a party told everybody that her boyfriends penis' pet name was "Homer Freeway" i will never forget it as long as i live.

and her boyfriend turned red and was PISSED. lmao

[DeeJay]

I WISH the judge would put a STOP to Albee and badgering that nice man!

[JoolzRoolz]

Dang took forever to get on here.

My poor momma. Late stages of Alzheimer's on hospice and sick on top of that. I just brought her home from the nursing home last Monday to care for her here and take better care of her. She was sick when I brought her home and they hadn't even started giving her meds yet. She's had a low grade fever for dayssss. Down now at 99.5.

{{{{annalyzer}}}} {{{{annalyzer's momma}}}}

[annalyzer]

Ted is so credible and likeable. I wish he were my neighbor.

Me too. And he has no reason to lie.

[sciencegirl]

Excellent rebuttal witness. Nice way for Jambois to end his case.

[StoneFox]

Dang took forever to get on here.

My poor momma. Late stages of Alzheimer's on hospice and sick on top of that. I just brought her home from the nursing home last Monday to care for her here and take better care of her. She was sick when I brought her home and they hadn't even started giving her meds yet. She's had a low grade fever for dayssss. Down now at 99.5.


:love0085: for you

:1222423: for mom

[spunkylubbock]

There Mark goes again! http://bestsmileys.com/movingeyes/3.gif http://bestsmileys.com/movingeyes/3.gif http://bestsmileys.com/movingeyes/3.gif http://bestsmileys.com/movingeyes/3.gif http://bestsmileys.com/movingeyes/3.gif

[annalyzer]

{{{{annalyzer}}}} {{{{annalyzer's momma}}}}


Thanks sweetie I needed that hug. :1222423:

[bigkitty]

Wow! Wojt is holding up very well under Albee's badgering. I really like him too.


Me too. Julie was lucky that she had such a good friend. I can see why she confided in him. He's a very good man. Did anyone else notice the disdain he has for Albee? I totally understand that.

[kindee]

You know, if someone said to me "I think my husband's going to poison me; if I die, he did it" I think I would be hyper-vigilant as to her (and her husband's) coming and goings, what they said etc. It might take you a while to put all the pieces together (Laura K's part in it all), and it might start coming out when you were being asked questions by LE and investigators.

[annalyzer]

O/T Romney annouces he is backing McCain.

Any chance Romney would run for vice? They'd get my vote.

And thanks.

[sciencegirl]

Thanks sweetie I needed that hug. :1222423:

Here's one from me anna. We all need a hug sometimes.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/smartypantz32/Blog%20gifs/Smiley/hug.gif

[kindee]

Me too. Julie was lucky that she had such a good friend. I can see why she confided in him. He's a very good man. Did anyone else notice the disdain he has for Albee? I totally understand that.




yes, he doesn't care for Albee much, does he? :girl_haha:

[sciencegirl]

Any chance Romney would run for vice? They'd get my vote.

And thanks.

That's why he endorsed McCain in my opinion. I don't think McCain wants either Romney or Huckabee as his VP.

[JoolzRoolz]

Me too. Julie was lucky that she had such a good friend. I can see why she confided in him. He's a very good man. Did anyone else notice the disdain he has for Albee? I totally understand that.

He must be following the trial because it seems to me his level of disdain for Albee is much higher than it was during his original testimony. IMO of course.

[shortcake]

Dang took forever to get on here.

My poor momma. Late stages of Alzheimer's on hospice and sick on top of that. I just brought her home from the nursing home last Monday to care for her here and take better care of her. She was sick when I brought her home and they hadn't even started giving her meds yet. She's had a low grade fever for dayssss. Down now at 99.5.


:1222423: Sorry she's not feeling well. God bless you for taking care of her.

[sciencegirl]

The jury is seeing right through all of this. And laughing at Albee. Or wanting to smack him. Probably the latter.

[annalyzer]

Here's one from me anna. We all need a hug sometimes.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/smartypantz32/Blog%20gifs/Smiley/hug.gif


You all are such an amazingly wonderful group of people. Love you all. :1222423:

[Bernie]

He must be following the trial because it seems to me his level of disdain for Albee is much higher than it was during his original testimony. IMO of course.

I think most of Pleasant Prairie is :howdy:

[jcc]

His is so obnoxious. I don't how anyone can think obnoxious makes a good lawyer.

[sciencegirl]

You all are such an amazingly wonderful group of people. Love you all. :1222423:

And we love you :1222423:

[lovelaw]

Dang took forever to get on here.

My poor momma. Late stages of Alzheimer's on hospice and sick on top of that. I just brought her home from the nursing home last Monday to care for her here and take better care of her. She was sick when I brought her home and they hadn't even started giving her meds yet. She's had a low grade fever for dayssss. Down now at 99.5.


:1222423:

(((HUGSS)))

[JONOTWO]

Both Albee and MJ were so pleased about the witness' answers they seemed to be gloating. BUT WAIT!! After the judge slapped him, Albee sat in his chair, hands behind his head, scowling.

[JoolzRoolz]

Uh oh - looks like the jury is getting ushered out again.

[annalyzer]

I think most of Pleasant Prairie is :howdy:

I love your avatar. Cracks me up every time I see it. :girl_haha:

[mitch]

i like the way you get to hear side bars in WI

[bigkitty]

I don't know if anyone else is having this happen...for the past few days every time I refresh my screen its taking me back to my previous post, making me have to constantly scroll down again and again to the newest posts. Does anybody know how to fix this? Thanks in advance.

[kindee]

The jury is seeing right through all of this. And laughing at Albee. Or wanting to smack him. Probably the latter.



I seriously doubt Albee is winning any popularity contests in that courtroom and/or town.

Not to mention Mark Jensen.

[annalyzer]

I don't know if anyone else is having this happen...for the past few days every time I refresh my screen its taking me back to my previous post, making me have to constantly scroll down again and again to the newest posts. Does anybody know how to fix this? Thanks in advance.

Me too. Happens almost every time. The mod said to go clear to the bottom on the black and refresh.

[StoneFox]

Any chance Romney would run for vice? They'd get my vote.

And thanks.

Hmmm, not sure. You know they do all these negotiations for positions before they decide if they will back the other candidate. I'm thinking McCain already has a running mate in mind. He could appoint Romney to another high-ranking position.

Like the dem party wants Edwards appointed as Atty General if dem party wins.

[spunkylubbock]

The jury is seeing right through all of this. And laughing at Albee. Or wanting to smack him. Probably the latter.

I agree! Albee doesn't get it that continued badgering of Wojt is not gonna go well with this jury. Wojt is probably very similar to some of the jurors so they can put themselves in his position.

[JoolzRoolz]

I don't know if anyone else is having this happen...for the past few days every time I refresh my screen its taking me back to my previous post, making me have to constantly scroll down again and again to the newest posts. Does anybody know how to fix this? Thanks in advance.

It happens to me as well. I have no idea how to fix it or if it can be.

[mitch]

I seriously doubt Albee is winning any popularity contests in that courtroom and/or town.

Not to mention Mark Jensen.

after this the whole damn clan needs to move west. they can lost in all the odd balls out here.

[kindee]

Both Albee and MJ were so pleased about the witness' answers they seemed to be gloating. BUT WAIT!! After the judge slapped him, Albee sat in his chair, hands behind his head, scowling.



Nobody has told them how bad that smirky gloat thing is, on Albee, MJensen and the parents behind them.

Nothin' to smirk about here, peeps.

[jcc]

I don't know if anyone else is having this happen...for the past few days every time I refresh my screen its taking me back to my previous post, making me have to constantly scroll down again and again to the newest posts. Does anybody know how to fix this? Thanks in advance.
Happens to me, too. I've heard several say the same thing. I was thinking of changing my settings so that the last post is at the top... but after so many years of reading forums this direction, I'm not sure I could get used ot it. And, I'm not sure if it would help, or if it would jump the other direction...lol.

[sciencegirl]

I don't know if anyone else is having this happen...for the past few days every time I refresh my screen its taking me back to my previous post, making me have to constantly scroll down again and again to the newest posts. Does anybody know how to fix this? Thanks in advance.

This has been happening to me since day one. Driving me crazy. Some people say if you click on the last post before you refresh it will take you to the last post; but it didn't work for me. Harlett said if you click on the black space below the last post and then refresh; it should work. It doesn't for me. I have been scrolling down everytime I refresh for 7 weeks now.

[gramvof14]

Any chance Romney would run for vice? They'd get my vote.

And thanks.
Anna for you and your mom.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/hugs.jpg

[annalyzer]

Hmmm, not sure. You know they do all these negotiations for positions before they decide if they will back the other candidate. I'm thinking McCain already has a running mate in mind. He could appoint Romney to another high-ranking position.

Like the dem party wants Edwards appointed as Atty General if dem party wins.


Anybody would be preferable to Cheney. :022:

[StoneFox]

That's why he endorsed McCain in my opinion. I don't think McCain wants either Romney or Huckabee as his VP.

(especially not huckelberry)

:D

[StoneFox]

Anybody would be preferable to Cheney. :022:

:hifive:

[kindee]

after this the whole damn clan needs to move west. they can lost in all the odd balls out here.




heeeee mitch? I moved from Missouri (age 14) to SAN FRANCISCO (for 26 years) and then BACK to Missouri. 'Dem odd balls? 'Dey're everwhir. :girl_haha:


You are opening the door Albeeeeeeee!

I'm gonna call him CARLTON from now on (any oldies on here remember Rhoda and Carlton her doorman?)!!!!!:francis:

[Bernie]

I love your avatar. Cracks me up every time I see it. :girl_haha:

I like yours also.....:howdy:

[sciencegirl]

(especially not huckelberry)

:D

The only chance McCain has at being president is if Hillary is the dem nominee. No way is McCain going to beat Obama, IMO.

[gramvof14]

This has been happening to me since day one. Driving me crazy. Some people say if you click on the last post before you refresh it will take you to the last post; but it didn't work for me. Harlett said if you click on the black space below the last post and then refresh; it should work. It doesn't for me. I have been scrolling down everytime I refresh for 7 weeks now.
SG it happens to me but not all the time drives me crazy.:shock:

[mitch]

It happens to me as well. I have no idea how to fix it or if it can be.

it happens after you post.

this is what i do.

i post then hit my back arrow key twice and you will end up at the point where you were. then when you refresh it won't take you back to your post.

i hope that makes sense.

[kindee]

I agree! Albee doesn't get it that continued badgering of Wojt is not gonna go well with this jury. Wojt is probably very similar to some of the juror so they can put themselves in his position.



Really, in my trial watching experience, the "smart" defendants like OJ, DMack, MPeterson, SPeterson...really are in charge of their defense strategies. I think Mark really dislikes Mr. Vojt and is probably jealous of him. So he is pushing for and enjoying the bashing. just imo! The defendant is in charge.

short break

[kindee]

Uh oh - looks like the jury is getting ushered out again.




They're getting ushered in and out more than Britney Spears in child custody court! :a1chic:

[bigkitty]

Thanks JCC, JoolzRoolz, Annalyzer and Sciencegirl for answering. At least I'm in good company. Strange though cause it just started to happen a few days ago. Very, very annoying.

[Bayou Lass]

The only chance McCain has at being president is if Hillary is the dem nominee. No way is McCain going to beat Obama, IMO.


Amen to that!!!

[shortcake]

Yep, I called him that last week. Along with Mr. WD40.:zm10:

[kindee]

Thanks JCC, JoolzRoolz, Annalyzer and Sciencegirl for answering. At least I'm in good company. Strange though cause it just started to happen a few days ago. Very, very annoying.



I would help you but I'd only make it worse. I'm technologically impaired! :doh:

[bigkitty]

it happens after you post.

this is what i do.

i post then hit my back area key twice and you will end up at the point where you were. then when you refresh it won't take you back to your post.

i hope that makes sense.

I'm going to try it right now. Thanks.

[kindee]

Yep, I called him that last week. Along with Mr. WD40.:zm10:




Carlton? WELL now we must be of a certain age!!! :hifive:

I LOVED Rhoda. Funnier 'n'ell.

[RayStar]

This jury is going to hate Albee after the way he is treating Ted.

YES and now I really know what hatred is!!!

[gramvof14]

I must say Albee has been completely obnoxious all day,he is driving me crazy
here is his medal that he won.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/obnoxious.gif

[Baranis]

Albee, with his appeal experience, is getting his workout during the Pros. rebuttal witness'.
How long has the jury actually been present today for testimony?
His partner Glynn, did not take long to argue his point with the judge and politely agreed with the judge's decision.
Me thinks that Albee has a sandbox somewhere in his house missing a bucket and shovel.

[spunkylubbock]

Really, in my trial watching experience, the "smart" defendants like OJ, DMack, MPeterson, SPeterson...really are in charge of their defense strategies. I think Mark really dislikes Mr. Vojt and is probably jealous of him. So he is pushing for and enjoying the bashing. just imo! The defendant is in charge.

short break

I didn't think about that angle but even so, Albee keeps pushing & pushing & pushing. Maybe he's getting paid on a per OBJECTION! count! :girl_haha:

[shortcake]

SG it happens to me but not all the time drives me crazy.:shock:

I put my posts viewable count back at 20 like someone else suggested and I'm not having the problem anymore.

[DeeJay]

Does anyone else think MJ did not know about Julie and Mr. Vojt chatting over the back fence, until the investigation started?

I think IF MJ knew he would have taunted Julie about her "friendship" with Mr. Vojt.

It seems like MJ didn't want Julie having friendships with anyone. MJ is one jealous and devious person.

Errrrr.....Maybe Mark DID! But Julie's not alive to say.

[lovelaw]

I didn't think about that angle but even so, Albee keeps pushing & pushing & pushing. Maybe he's getting paid on a per OBJECTION! count! :girl_haha:

He should be able to retire then!!~:D

[bigkitty]

I would help you but I'd only make it worse. I'm technologically impaired! :doh:


Me too.:girl_sad:

:D

[dojewo]

DH is in training for me, he's starting to watch the trial when I'm downstairs. I got a chance to run up and once again, they are on break. What time will they be back?

[kindee]

I must say Albee has been completely obnoxious all day,he is driving me crazy
here is his medal that he won.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/obnoxious.gif



Oh, I know a lot of folks who needs 'em one of those!

Live I THINK.. I heard the judge, anyhoooooooo

[DeeJay]

I must say Albee has been completely obnoxious all day,he is driving me crazy
here is his medal that he won.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/obnoxious.gif

ALL DAY? :francis:

SEVEN WEEKS by my count. :girl_haha:

[annalyzer]

I put my posts viewable count back at 20 like someone else suggested and I'm not having the problem anymore.

I changed mine to 20. Testing, testing, 123.

[jcc]

I put my posts viewable count back at 20 like someone else suggested and I'm not having the problem anymore.

Ah! that is interesting! I do have mine set at 40. I'm also trying the reverse order thing, newest post always at top. It doesn't seem to be that hard to get used to after all, once I realized that current talk is always on page 1 and not the last page. :duh:

[texaslinda]

Does anyone else think MJ did not know about Julie and Mr. Vojt chatting over the back fence, until the investigation started?

I think IF MJ knew he would have taunted Julie about her "friendship" with Mr. Vojt.

It seems like MJ didn't want Julie having friendships with anyone. MJ is one jealous and devious person.

Errrrr.....Maybe Mark DID! But Julie's not alive to say.

Yep. That's what I think too. I don't think he knew how good a friend Mr. Vojt was and I think he was sideswiped with that note! Poor Julie, putting up with him for so long...

[dojewo]

I put my posts viewable count back at 20 like someone else suggested and I'm not having the problem anymore.I had mentioned that the other day, At least I don't have to sort thru to many posts that way.

[kindee]

Does anyone else think MJ did not know about Julie and Mr. Vojt chatting over the back fence, until the investigation started?

I think IF MJ knew he would have taunted Julie about her "friendship" with Mr. Vojt.

It seems like MJ didn't want Julie having friendships with anyone. MJ is one jealous and devious person.

Errrrr.....Maybe Mark DID! But Julie's not alive to say.




I think her conversations with Mr. Vojt and the letter Mark first saw in his "interview" were indeed complete surprises to him.


We are LIIIIIIIVE!

[JoolzRoolz]

I have a few questions re closing arguments for you seasoned trial watcher vets:

1) Who usually goes first, pro or def?
2) Does the side that goes first get to address things said by the one who goes second?
3) Can objections be raised during closing arguments?
4) Does the judge interrupt closing for jury breaks?

TIA!

[annalyzer]

I must say Albee has been completely obnoxious all day,he is driving me crazy
here is his medal that he won.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/obnoxious.gif


lol Thanks Gram for the beautiful hug earlier. :1222423: