Closing Arguments Feb. 18 Afternoon Thread

[twinkiesmom]

New thread hop on.

[Xmygrits]

New thread hop on.
:basic44: I hopped!

Mmmm, pancakes!

[tbrito1]

check one two one two, hello?

[kindee]

helllloooooo gonna run a few errands.

[jcc]

Well.... I would agree there was no fire in Jambois delivery, but I think he hit all the main points. I don't see that there was any need for him to be all riled up. Now, depending upon what Mr. Albee has to say, we might see a different Jambois after that!

[Bernie]

Hello all.....the sun is out :francis: :howdy:

[kindee]

Hello all.....the sun is out :francis: :howdy:



send some my way Bernie. :happy0207:

[Bernie]

send some my way Bernie. :happy0207:

Will do :howdy:

[lovelaw]

helllloooooo gonna run a few errands.



Me too!!

BBL!~:0012:

[Alibar]

Jambois' smooth voice lulled me to sleep! Did he finish his CA?

[Swabby]

I was hoping that Jambois was going to go into the "sit on him" (Klug) thing one more time for the record of why Klug was scared, but maybe I missed it???...AOL kicked me off for a little bit.

Swabby

[bambam]

made it! be back after lunch!

[kellabeck]

Things that jumped out at me--

Starting with "Mark is being good to me"
explaining why she didn't tell Borman, why she felt the way she did.

THE POST-IT NOTE DISAPPEARED!!!
If JJ hadn't photographed the LIST it would never have been seen.
I didn't realize that!!!

Why did Mark lie about his whereabouts bet. noon and 3??

When he lied to Ratzburg about KLB and the affair, he was lying about his MOTIVE. JJ was already dead. No need to "save" his relationship with her. Really good point.

I loved when he compared Dr Spiro unfavorably to the snitches!

And Rumack to Aaron Dillard!!

And speaking of Dr Spiro and "People being bought and paid for-- at least AD
admitted" he was.

Ed Klug had no motive to make this story up. All the ppl who would have to be lying for MJ to be telling the truth.

MJ loves to talk

And then the setup while listening to Craig Albee-- and you are thinking "This is ludicrous"

REMEMBER-- he is stuck with the story that JJ committed suicide and framed her husband.

wait for the part...
where is the sense...?
where's the capability...?

to drag herself out of bed, go to his PC in his den and DOUBLE DELETE the incriminating searches if she was framing him??

What's the sense of her looking up "Am I in a coma?" "Am I cyanotic?"

Just great!!!!

[gramvof14]

I think he did a great job but I wish he had mentioned why didn't Mark call 911 when his son was asking him to take mommy to the hospital .Maybe he is waiting for his rebuttal for that.I hope so.

[KellBell]

OK I guess I posted on the wrong afternoon thread.

I wonder if mark's family will be there after lunch when Albee's CA start.

[JoolzRoolz]

I was hoping that Jambois was going to go into the "sit on him" (Klug) thing one more time for the record of why Klug was scared, but maybe I missed it???...AOL kicked me off for a little bit.

Swabby

I don't think he did. I think he, maybe wisely, decided to let the Thompson testimony go.

[TigressPen]

I was hoping that Jambois was going to go into the "sit on him" (Klug) thing one more time for the record of why Klug was scared, but maybe I missed it???...AOL kicked me off for a little bit.

Swabby



My DSL has been going in and out all day. Frustrating to say the least.

I think Jambois stressed some really great points but he wasn't real passionate. Same tone throughout. IMO

But, I doubt if Albee makes me want to :1187603408.CR.Mothe either when he gives his CA.


Joolz did some marvelous synops of the closing if you read them, you can catch up on anything you missed.

[KellBell]

I think he did a great job but I wish he had mentioned why didn't Mark call 911 when his son was asking him to take mommy to the hospital .Maybe he is waiting for his rebuttal for that.I hope so.

I was thinking that too. I thought he did good but it was anti-climatic for me. I was expecting a little more.

[mitch]

OK I guess I posted on the wrong afternoon thread.

I wonder if mark's family will be there after lunch when Albee's CA start.

i thought i saw his mother in a hat when the camera man was panning at the lunch break.

[TigressPen]

I think he did a great job but I wish he had mentioned why didn't Mark call 911 when his son was asking him to take mommy to the hospital .Maybe he is waiting for his rebuttal for that.I hope so.


I doubt if he can if Albee doesn't mention it in his CA. Rebuttal is to rebuke defense opinions only.

[annalyzer]

Things that jumped out at me--

Starting with "Mark is being good to me"
explaining why she didn't tell Borman, why she felt the way she did.

THE POST-IT NOTE DISAPPEARED!!!
If JJ hadn't photographed the LIST it would never have been seen.
I didn't realize that!!!

Why did Mark lie about his whereabouts bet. noon and 3??

When he lied to Ratzburg about KLB and the affair, he was lying about his MOTIVE. JJ was already dead. No need to "save" his relationship with her. Really good point.

I loved when he compared Dr Spiro unfavorably to the snitches!

And Rumack to Aaron Dillard!!

And speaking of Dr Spiro and "People being bought and paid for-- at least AD
admitted" he was.

Ed Klug had no motive to make this story up. All the ppl who would have to be lying for MJ to be telling the truth.

MJ loves to talk

And then the setup while listening to Craig Albee-- and you are thinking "This is ludicrous"

REMEMBER-- he is stuck with the story that JJ committed suicide and framed her husband.

wait for the part...
where is the sense...?
where's the capability...?

to drag herself out of bed, go to his PC in his den and DOUBLE DELETE the incriminating searches if she was framing him??

What's the sense of her looking up "Am I in a coma?" "Am I cyanotic?"

Just great!!!!

Great post. You should put this over "there" too. :hifive:

[TigressPen]

i thought i saw his mother in a hat when the camera man was panning at the lunch break.


Yeah. The camera panned to spectators when they went to lunch and she was wearing one.

[kellabeck]

Ma and Pa J were there.

Hey, Tigress!! Didja hear Jambois say there was no video of MJ's putting the AF in her juice???? 'Bout fell outta my chair!

[Cornblossom]

I doubt if he can if Albee doesn't mention it in his CA. Rebuttal is to rebuke defense opinions only.if there's 99 doors to open...Albee will open at least 98 LMAO

[kellabeck]

Joolz-- I don't want to duplicate your wonderful effort. Would you be amenable to my supplementing your synopsis with anything I noted you didn't? In the ole 2 heads are better than one notion??

[TigressPen]

Ma and Pa J were there.

Hey, Tigress!! Didja hear Jambois say there was no video of MJ's putting the AF in her juice???? 'Bout fell outta my chair!



Yeah and cracked up!! Thought about the earlier discussion we had. :67302:

[browneyes]

I know I am in the minority here, but I wasn't all that impressed with Jambois closing...hopefully, he will finish up with a bang this afternoon.

Of course, the evidence speaks for itself...imo. MJ is so guilty.

[tbrito1]

:0doh:ok, so before the defense starts with their closing what should i know about him?

[gramvof14]

I was thinking that too. I thought he did good but it was anti-climatic for me. I was expecting a little more.
I like the way he was so calm I think it goes over better that way and they catch every word he is saying,I think he is going to be stronger after Albee he doesn't want to tip his hand just yet and hopefully it is going to be him that does the rebuttal and not the woman sorry forgot her name.:basic44:

[kellabeck]

I know I am in the minority here, but I wasn't all that impressed with Jambois closing...hopefully, he will finish up with a bang this afternoon.

Of course, the evidence speaks for itself...imo. MJ is so guilty.


Why weren't you impressed?

[bambam]

hey did everybody already know this? i got it from cat toy:

On Friday I heard the TH on cnn say that KJ had "turned states evidence" against MJ; I had not heard that or realized that before. But; I do believe that LB was the TH who said it....and that makes sense why she has not been in the courtroom to support her "hubby" at all; especially today when she should have or could have been............but alas she isn't. So; I believe that LB has it right in that she had turned states evidence. She doesnt support her hubby at all at far as I can see.

[kellabeck]

I like the way he was so calm I think it goes over better that way and they catch every word he is saying,I think he is going to be stronger after Albee he doesn't want to tip his hand just yet and hopefully it is going to be him that does the rebuttal and not the woman sorry forgot her name.:basic44:

She is NOT going to do the rebuttal. NOT NOT NOT.

[bambam]

:0doh:ok, so before the defense starts with their closing what should i know about him?

omg!! somebody else needs to take this question! lol altho he may not act today like he normally does!! sheesh!

[kellabeck]

hey did everybody already know this? i got it from cat toy:

On Friday I heard the TH on cnn say that KJ had "turned states evidence" against MJ; I had not heard that or realized that before. But; I do believe that LB was the TH who said it....and that makes sense why she has not been in the courtroom to support her "hubby" at all; especially today when she should have or could have been............but alas she isn't. So; I believe that LB has it right in that she had turned states evidence. She doesnt support her hubby at all at far as I can see.

I do not see that at all. And if Lisa Bloom said it I am not impressed either.

Uh uh uh.

[Cornblossom]

hey did everybody already know this? i got it from cat toy:

On Friday I heard the TH on cnn say that KJ had "turned states evidence" against MJ; I had not heard that or realized that before. But; I do believe that LB was the TH who said it....and that makes sense why she has not been in the courtroom to support her "hubby" at all; especially today when she should have or could have been............but alas she isn't. So; I believe that LB has it right in that she had turned states evidence. She doesnt support her hubby at all at far as I can see.she was states evidence after they granted her immunity

[TigressPen]

:0doh:ok, so before the defense starts with their closing what should i know about him?



He gets midsentence, stops, starts over then stops and moves to new subject sometimes.

[mosaic]

:0doh:ok, so before the defense starts with their closing what should i know about him?

You mean Albee, the def? Well,when he gets backed against a wall we likes to go into a sputtering/indignant act, whine, and then get snarky. He is an awesome atty, he just got stuck with a real lemon. Oh, and he is a master of smoke and mirrors- kinda fun to watch, really. I'm looking forward to his CA!

[kellabeck]

:0doh:ok, so before the defense starts with their closing what should i know about him?

That he whines a lot. And when not whining he is asking for a mistrial. Or Sitting back with his hands clasped behind his head. Or his chin in his hand like he's bored. Or yelling at the judge and being petulant because he can't find the peer-reviewed articles he lied about to the judge.

[gramvof14]

if there's 99 doors to open...Albee will open at least 98 LMAO
OH that we can count on DON'T YOU THINK.HAHAHA

JOOLZ I want to thank you for your notes they were great,:1222423::zm10: keep up the good work.

[tbrito1]

He gets midsentence, stops, starts over then stops and moves to new subject sometimes.


ADD?

[sciencegirl]

I'm back!!! Joolz you ROCK!!!! Amazing updates; very thorough and meticulous. I'm all caught up. Thanks so much.

[TigressPen]

she was states evidence after they granted her immunity



Yep. It wasn't until she was assured that she wouldn't be charged with a crime that she told all!!

[tbrito1]

That he whines a lot. And when not whining he is asking for a mistrial. Or Sitting back with his hands clasped behind his head. Or his chin in his hand like he's bored. Or yelling at the judge and being petulant because he can't find the peer-reviewed articles he lied about to the judge.

Thanks for the heads up all!!!!:rolleye0001:

[sciencegirl]

I started a poll on how long the jury will be out. Go place your votes. :basic44:

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2567

[kellabeck]

widipedia says:
To turn state's evidence is when an accused or convicted criminal testifies as a witness for the state against his associates or accomplices. Turning state's evidence is occasionally a result of a change of heart or feelings of guilt, but more often is done in response to a generous offer from the prosecution, such as a reduced sentence or a favorable location for serving time. In particularly high-profile or dangerous cases such as Mafia trials, the witness may be offered immunity from prosecution even if he has committed serious crimes himself, up to and including murder. The state may also offer the witness a place in the witness protection program, giving them a new identity so they need not fear retaliation from their former accomplices.

[Cornblossom]

Yep. It wasn't until she was assured that she wouldn't be charged with a crime that she told all!!her being states evidence(well state witness) is nothing new LMAO

[bambam]

Yep. It wasn't until she was assured that she wouldn't be charged with a crime that she told all!!

so exactly what does that mean then? that she "turned states evidence"??:z0tdntknw:

[TigressPen]

ADD?



I thought it was more along the line that his head is so full of facts that he wants to bring out that he loses focus on what is more important ...

[StoneFox]

I don't think he did. I think he, maybe wisely, decided to let the Thompson testimony go.

I think so too Joolz! IMO, that bit about sitting on Klug during the trial wasn't very believable.

[Cornblossom]

so exactly what does that mean then? that she "turned states evidence"??:z0tdntknw:she testified against her husband

[gramvof14]

She is NOT going to do the rebuttal. NOT NOT NOT.
I sure hope your right but we have seen that before remember the PS trial.

[bambam]

her being states evidence(well state witness) is nothing new LMAO

so "being" states evidence and "turning" state evidence are the same? sorry, im a legal retard.....wait, that came out wrong....:67302:

[kellabeck]

I sure hope your right but we have seen that before remember the PS trial.

They did about same # of witnesses and are equals. Not true here. She was J's asst.

[bambam]

she testified against her husband

cos she was a pros witness? well CT knew that, right?? then what was that post about?? heck i don't hide my ignorance, i just let it all hang out! but i thought she one of those that "knew her stuff"...ya know... like y'all do!! lo:basic45:

[Cornblossom]

so "being" states evidence and "turning" state evidence are the same? sorry, im a legal retard.....wait, that came out wrong....:67302:
she didn't turn...they subpoenaed her,she took the 5th,they gave her immunity,she testified...that happened in the prelim and in this one......the pros knew it was going to happen this way....evidentally the TH wasn't "up" on what had/has happened in this trial.

[TigressPen]

so exactly what does that mean then? that she "turned states evidence"??:z0tdntknw:



I think she told them about all the sex stuff after she was assured she wouldn't be charged with accessory after the fact. Like, his wanting the list of all the men she'd slept with, that they'd had an affair in the office (not sexual IHO) Although I consider oral sexual. I can't remember what else they got from her but it has to be more.

[andersson33]

she was states evidence after they granted her immunity

Responsible and sensible.

This is why the judge admires you, corny.

Well, two of the reasons anyway.

:22wink:

[mosaic]

she didn't turn...they subpoenaed her,she took the 5th,they gave her immunity,she testified...that happened in the prelim and in this one......the pros knew it was going to happen this way....evidentally the TH wasn't "up" on what had/has happened in this trial.

Yep- and it still doesn't explain to me why, as his wife, she isn't there. Unless of course, the def knows that the very sight of her in the courtroom would be inflammatory, a constant reminder that he discarded JJ for her!

[Alibar]

:basic44: I hopped!

Mmmm, pancakes!

:67302: :67302:

[annalyzer]

I'm back!!! Joolz you ROCK!!!! Amazing updates; very thorough and meticulous. I'm all caught up. Thanks so much.


How are your brothers holding up SG? :1222423:

Sounds like you have a bunch of brothers too. I have five. Any sisters? None here.

[sciencegirl]

I think she told them about all the sex stuff after she was assured she wouldn't be charged with accessory after the fact. Like, his wanting the list of all the men she'd slept with, that they'd had an affair in the office (not sexual IHO) Although I consider oral sexual. I can't remember what else they got from her but it has to be more.

I agree Tigress. There isn't anything more sexual than oral sex. JMO.

[bambam]

she didn't turn...they subpoenaed her,she took the 5th,they gave her immunity,she testified...that happened in the prelim and in this one......the pros knew it was going to happen this way....evidentally the TH wasn't "up" on what had/has happened in this trial.

oh. well heck i knew that all along... i just didn't know all the lingo! i'm still learning! :basic45:

[TigressPen]

she testified against her husband



I think if she had gotten on the stand and took the 5th it would have shown guilt more than NG for Mark and her too.
But I don't know if the Judge would have allowed the jury to know she took 5th... So that was probably a factor in State agreeing to it... they needed her to say in jury presence what she did about the list etc...

[vintage_rose]

Good Afternoon everyone,
I just wanted to pass along the information that Julie's 50th birthday would have been this year on February 26. If you'd like to send her brothers a card/condolence you may do so at this address:
PO Box 580038 Pleasant Prairie WI 53158

[kellabeck]

Joolz--- with utmost respect, I am going to try to supplement your excellent summaries with my notes.

Joolz:
Starts with saying that when Julie died she felt she didn’t have to choose from option A – Mark was trying to kill her and option B – that Mark was trying to make her seem crazy and lose her children, because Mark was being kind and loving to her, as she told the neighbor in her phone call. I guess he is trying to cover why Julie would not have called for help if she thought she was poisoned.
"Mark was being good to me." All she wanted in this world. And he mentions the sedatives. WHERE WERE THEY FOUND? In the place where only one person had control of it. In the kitchen, the last place this loving mother would leave these meds. Now you know why would talk about poisons but not send the letter to LE. Not tell Borman. She knew he would refer her to a psychiatrist and call LE. The Post It Note-- OWN DRUG SUPPLY LIST--- Def's own witness Dr Denton was concerned by this list. Ominous. Wasn't sufficient for Kosman. Too bad JJ didn't show it to Dr Denton.

Brings up some of the things Julie did thinking her husband was trying to kill her in the weeks before her death – taking photos of the day planner, writing the letter, etc…

Brings up that a doctor testified that Julie was delusional and angry. Says that there has been no evidence that Julie was angry… that there was plenty of evidence that she was frightened, but not angry.

Brings up the defense suicide theory. Says that the defense is not just saying she committed suicide but that she was angry enough to try and frame her husband for her murder. He says the notion is utterly ridiculous – says there has been no evidence to support the defense theory that she framed her husband for murder.

Reminds them of CA's opening statement. Julie was "delusional" and "angry" You didn't hear that in testimony.

Brings up all the drugs in addition to the EG. Says that the EG wasn’t enough. Asks “who was it that called the doctor saying Julie couldn’t sleep and gets the prescription for Ambien?”. Brings up that Dr Borman did not have notes of Julie having a sleep disorder – that the sleep disorder didn’t even come up until Mark called the doctor the next day. Says that Mark used the Ambien to make Julie more malleable and susceptible to administer dose after dose of EG.

If only she had told Dr Borman of her suspicions. Dr B told you he would never have given MJ the Rx for Ambien

Asks jurors to consider their own experiences with alcohol, how it affects them, how long it affects them and that they should consider their experiences when weighing the evidence of the affects of EG.

Brings up the Ambien again – insinuates it’s ridiculous that Mark went out to get Ambien for his wife who was already sleeping at home. Brings up the theory that Mark drugged her to get her to ingest the EG again.

Hope you don't mind, Joolz!!

[Alibar]

I think she told them about all the sex stuff after she was assured she wouldn't be charged with accessory after the fact. Like, his wanting the list of all the men she'd slept with, that they'd had an affair in the office (not sexual IHO) Although I consider oral sexual. I can't remember what else they got from her but it has to be more.


Oral sex is sex. I don't care whether former President Bill Clinton agrees or not! :basic44:

[sciencegirl]

How are your brothers holding up SG? :1222423:

Sounds like you have a bunch of brothers too. I have five. Any sisters? None here.

I have 7 brothers (one passed at age 47 from Scleroderma) and 2 sisters. It was really sad. I didn't realize until today that my brother's best friend had died on my brother's birthday. My brother gave the eulogy and my heart broke for him. His friend died at age 48 so it was a reminder of my own brother's death. Thanks for asking. I'm a bit down this afternoon.

[TigressPen]

I agree Tigress. There isn't anything more sexual than oral sex. JMO.




I would much rather sit in witness chair and say, yes, I had intercourse with him knowing he was married and I was engaged.


Much better than saying I was intimate orally with him!! That is just more personal to me. Maybe I am just being prudish.

[tbrito1]

I have 7 brothers (one passed at age 47 from Scleroderma) and 2 sisters. It was really sad. I didn't realize until today that my brother's best friend had died on my brother's birthday. My brother gave the eulogy and my heart broke for him. His friend died at age 48 so it was a reminder of my own brother's death. Thanks for asking. I'm a bit down this afternoon.

i'm so sorry sciencegirl. :(

[Cornblossom]

Yep- and it still doesn't explain to me why, as his wife, she isn't there. Unless of course, the def knows that the very sight of her in the courtroom would be inflammatory, a constant reminder that he discarded JJ for her!even if they hadn't excused her as a witness..I believe she could have sat in the courtroom for the same reason the brother's were allowed to.....I do think the jury will notice her absence and
thinnk there's trouble in paradise...which mite cause them to think poor guy-losing his wife let's find him not guilty.

[cavimom]

hey did everybody already know this? i got it from cat toy:

On Friday I heard the TH on cnn say that KJ had "turned states evidence" against MJ; I had not heard that or realized that before. But; I do believe that LB was the TH who said it....and that makes sense why she has not been in the courtroom to support her "hubby" at all; especially today when she should have or could have been............but alas she isn't. So; I believe that LB has it right in that she had turned states evidence. She doesnt support her hubby at all at far as I can see.

Hmmm, If this had happened I think that the prosecution would have been able to put KJ back on stand or would have had more rebuttal evidence they didn't have before? Wouldn't we have heard that? :0009:
I really dont understand WHY she isnt there to support her LOVING husband.. DOESNT LQQK GOOD for MJ! Maybe because of the media, maybe they are following or harrasing her? Maybe she is at home online watching it online too>? Seems strange to me too though as I said before! :z0tdntknw: But then again that entire relationship is strange to me.

[mosaic]

OOOO they should be back any minute!!!

[Cat]

I have 7 brothers (one passed at age 47 from Scleroderma) and 2 sisters. It was really sad. I didn't realize until today that my brother's best friend had died on my brother's birthday. My brother gave the eulogy and my heart broke for him. His friend died at age 48 so it was a reminder of my own brother's death. Thanks for asking. I'm a bit down this afternoon.

:love0085::love0085::love0085:

[DeeJay]

Jambois is going to do the rebuttal as well....THIS trial is his project. He waited a LONG time for this to come to fruition....Ms Gabrielle didn't play a big roll in this trial.

Jambois came back from the roads & transportation just for the murder trial. He may have taken a pay cut, too! LOL!!

Ms G was there b/c they required one person currently working in the DA's office to sit in second chair.

[TigressPen]

Good Afternoon everyone,
I just wanted to pass along the information that Julie's 50th birthday would have been this year on February 26. If you'd like to send her brothers a card/condolence you may do so at this address:
PO Box 580038 Pleasant Prairie WI 53158



Would it be okay to do it via sister site?

[Cornblossom]

I think if she had gotten on the stand and took the 5th it would have shown guilt more than NG for Mark and her too.
But I don't know if the Judge would have allowed the jury to know she took 5th... So that was probably a factor in State agreeing to it... they needed her to say in jury presence what she did about the list etc...she took the 5th out of the jury's presence.

[annalyzer]

They're back!

[kindee]

We are live...is there a problem with the jury? Are all the alternates still there?

[lovelaw]

LIVE ACTION!!~

[jcc]

wow... I just finished a little power nap... ready and waiting...lol. What time did they say they'd be back. GREAT timing on my part...lol.

[JoolzRoolz]

Joolz-- I don't want to duplicate your wonderful effort. Would you be amenable to my supplementing your synopsis with anything I noted you didn't? In the ole 2 heads are better than one notion??


Absolutely! Please do so! I'm not a stenographer and do miss some stuff. For example, I remembered while I was eating my lunch that Jambois made a good point about Dr Denton - something about even he had to concede some points.

Thanks kellabeck!

[vintage_rose]

Would it be okay to do it via sister site?

I would think so...I don't see why not. :) I'm sure they would appreciate it.

[lovelaw]

wow... I just finished a little power nap... ready and waiting...lol. What time did they say they'd be back. GREAT timing on my part...lol.


WELL DONE!

I wonder if Albee took a power nap!!~ LOL!~

[kellabeck]

Joolz part 2 with my notes.

Brings up that Mark looked up the affects of EG on the internet as she lay dying. Insinuates that it is ridiculous to think that Julie Jensen herself went to look up the affects of EG poisoning – even says “Gee, should I get up out of my coma to look up why I might be in a coma?”.

Leads into internet usage evidence. Mentions a search for cruises after an email discussion with KJ. Mentions that there is no evidence the computer was used while Mark was at work. Mentions that someone went in and erased all the internet history during the hours Julie lay dying… again mentions that it’s unreasonable to think that Julie got up out of her comatose, cyanotic (sp?) state to erase the internet history.

Jambois puts up an email convo between MJ and KLB on the overhead. Matches the email times to searches on the internet for Winstar Cruises.

Jambois puts up another email convo between MJ and KLB where they discuss the Jan 1st deadline of whether to put a deposit on the cruise. Shows where KLB asked MJ if he’s got it “all figured out” and Mark replied “I think so…”… something about needing to work out the details. Shows where KLB prodded for the details and Mark’s reply was evasive. All this to show that there was a deadline/agreement between them of Jan 1st to decide what to do (go on the cruise?).

He quotes MJ: "Details are just noise in the bigger picture." and Jambois refers to "what passes for wit in this relationship" while going through their emails at this time (16 Oct) and puts them into the context of the internet searches the night before for botulism, pipe bombs, nictoine, and the stifel employee list.

Was there any evidence MJ was looking for a good divorce attorney? No. You saw searches for poisons and botulism.

He never expected a jury to see these searches! He 'd covered his tracks. "Bag hands" --- Mercury fulminate search. "shells" -- shotgun shells. Defazio--- JJ had seen him and that would help in her "looking crazy." And Terri Patentay (phonetic) WHO IS TERRI PATENTAY? HE DID NOT ELABORATE.

The list is gone!

Jambois then puts up some internet searches done shortly thereafter – searches for “underground” stuff, most of which Jambois thinks Mark was not interested in. Says Mark keeps looking and looking until he finds what he was looking for – just after midnight – things about poisoning, pipe bombs, botulism, etc… Points out the next thing Mark goes to is the employee list for the company he was working for. Asks the jury what a person who wanted to end his marriage should be looking for – divorce lawyers, division of property, etc… but what does Mark search for instead? Poisons, drugs, botulism, pipe bombs. Points out that Mark expected no jury would ever see this – that before he turned the computer over to the police he not only deleted but double-deleted the internet history.

[sciencegirl]

We are live...is there a problem with the jury? Are all the alternates still there?

I love this judge's laugh!!!!:girl_haha:

[JoolzRoolz]

Joolz--- with utmost respect, I am going to try to supplement your excellent summaries with my notes.

<snip for space>

Hope you don't mind, Joolz!!

Of course not! It's really excellent that you are doing so! Thanks!

[lovelaw]

"Strangled"!! LOL Freudian slip??????????

[annalyzer]

Strangled! Did you hear that? :shock:

[tbrito1]

:shock:Strangled?????

[cavimom]

LOL judge said STRANGLED.. LOL while looking at MJ! Haha

[jcc]

I like the way he was so calm I think it goes over better that way and they catch every word he is saying,I think he is going to be stronger after Albee he doesn't want to tip his hand just yet and hopefully it is going to be him that does the rebuttal and not the woman sorry forgot her name.:basic44:

Me, too. I think it presents as logical rather than just emotional.

[kellabeck]

Absolutely! Please do so! I'm not a stenographer and do miss some stuff. For example, I remembered while I was eating my lunch that Jambois made a good point about Dr Denton - something about even he had to concede some points.

Thanks kellabeck!

Oh, freat! I am glad you understood the spirit in which I offered my notes. They are merely to supplement yours.

I have done pt 1 and 2 and will do the others later.

[TigressPen]

she took the 5th out of the jury's presence.



Yep. And I doubt that Judge would have allowed them to call her just so she could do so in jury presence if they had not put on record that she had immunity for all testimony except perjury and the perjury agreement was still in effect for this trial.

[sciencegirl]

Strangled! Did you hear that? :shock:

:67302: Ya gotta love this judge!!!:hifive:

[tbrito1]

LOL judge said STRANGLED.. LOL while looking at MJ! Haha


I'm waiting for the judge to slip and say PENIS!!!:67302:

[jcc]

"Strangled"!! LOL Freudian slip??????????

In reference to what?

[kellabeck]

what was the strangled reference? I missed it.

[Cat]

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j257/midnightmewse/Smilies/thankyou.gif JoolzRoolz

[tbrito1]

what was the strangled reference? I missed it.

I think he was trying to say stranded and said stragled instead...:71541:

[sciencegirl]

In reference to what?

He meant to say scrambled as to the juror's names; I believe that's what he was referencing and the 7 that will have to sit out of deliberations.

[twinkiesmom]

she didn't turn...they subpoenaed her,she took the 5th,they gave her immunity,she testified...that happened in the prelim and in this one......the pros knew it was going to happen this way....evidentally the TH wasn't "up" on what had/has happened in this trial.

:zm10:
Yes, I think we would have heard a great deal more from Kelly Jensen if she had truly turned on her husband.

[cavimom]

OMG too funny, we ALL picked up on that! I guess Jammy didnt put us to sleep .. :67302:

[tbrito1]

He meant to say scrambled as to the juror's names; I believe that's what he was referencing and the 7 that will have to sit out of deliberations.

yea, yea, that's it!!!

[StoneFox]

Albee's CA up now! This might be interesting. How many ways can he twist the truth/testimony? How many people will he call liars?

Kelly still a no show in the gallery?

[gramvof14]

Good Afternoon everyone,
I just wanted to pass along the information that Julie's 50th birthday would have been this year on February 26. If you'd like to send her brothers a card/condolence you may do so at this address:
PO Box 580038 Pleasant Prairie WI 53158
OH my she was born on the same day and year of my second son he will be 50 this year.
RIP JULIE:1222423:

[kindee]

I have 7 brothers (one passed at age 47 from Scleroderma) and 2 sisters. It was really sad. I didn't realize until today that my brother's best friend had died on my brother's birthday. My brother gave the eulogy and my heart broke for him. His friend died at age 48 so it was a reminder of my own brother's death. Thanks for asking. I'm a bit down this afternoon.




I didn't see you'd returned. (((hugs))) big time bud. :1222423:

[TigressPen]

In reference to what?


he said strangled when meaning to say scrambled. LOL

[johnielee333]

sorry albee but i dont think anything you say will make us or the jury see that mark isnt guilty but go ahead & try

[cavimom]

I think he was trying to say stranded and said stragled instead...:71541:


He meant to say scrambled.. as in the juror names.. but said strangled LOL

[lovelaw]

what was the strangled reference? I missed it.

I believe it was in reference to "scrambling" of juror's names.

[tbrito1]

I believe it was in reference to "scrambling" of a juror's name.

i'm confused, what are they doing?

[browneyes]

Why weren't you impressed?

Gosh kella...I don't know...maybe Alan Jackson ruined me! :girl_haha:

I thought he was all over the place in the beginning and I didn't like seeing him sitting there and using such a monotone voice. It got better as it went on, but I'm sorry...I wasn't impressed. I know I'm in the minority here. :71526:

I prefer when they "tell a story" in their closing arguments...but, that's just me??????????????????? I don't think he needed to yell, but a little passion would have been nice.

[kindee]

"Strangled"!! LOL Freudian slip??????????




woooops. :shock:

[lost indie]

He meant to say scrambled.. as in the juror names.. but said strangled LOL

It would be such a bummer to end up being an alternate...

I'd be wrecked...

[cavimom]

Here we GO Albee wants to do some HINKY stuff... Listen carefully he will add stuff he's not supposed to! :lex_10:

[kellabeck]

over under on how many times Craig says "Stallings" and "large amount"

[tbrito1]

what is going on????

[kindee]

i'm confused, what are they doing?



Deciding how to seat the jury and get rid of the 7 others.

[Alibar]

I'm waiting for the judge to slip and say PENIS!!!:67302:


He said penis several times back when it was up for testimony!
:67302:

[RayStar]

He always wants to be the drama king!

[sciencegirl]

I didn't see you'd returned. (((hugs))) big time bud. :1222423:

Thanks Kindee. It's a sad day for me. I hope to get my bounce back soon.

:attention:

For those who missed my previous post; I have put up my usual poll "How long with the jury be out". Don't forget to vote.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2567

[cavimom]

does it really matter about the jurors names.. they were all picked by both sides! Albee being a big CRY baby azz wipe again!! :mad::71541:

[kindee]

It would be such a bummer to end up being an alternate...

I'd be wrecked...




ME TOO, especially in a case like this.

[JoolzRoolz]

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j257/midnightmewse/Smilies/thankyou.gif JoolzRoolz


Aww shucks - no problem! And Kellabeck's notes and excellent synopsis of the high points are really great.

Let the defense CA begin!

[Cornblossom]

Joooooooooooooooolz........thanks for keeping excellent notes for ushttp://bestsmileys.com/thumbs/2.gif

[cavimom]

Thanks Kindee. It's a sad day for me. I hope to get my bounce back soon.

:attention:

For those who missed my previous post; I have put up my usual poll "How long with the jury be out". Don't forget to vote.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2567

Thanks I voted and I am with the majority! :basic44:

[lovelaw]

i'm confused, what are they doing?



They were just talking abut the process by which they will choose alternate jurors.
:)

[Alibar]

Ain't that sweet of Albee to thank the jury as a starting point....

[TigressPen]

Good start off for Albee. With thanking jury.

[lovelaw]

ALbee starts off with Dillard!~ SURPRISE! SURPRISE!~

[tbrito1]

They were just talking abut the process by which they will choose alternate jurors.
:)

oh, thanks!

[pinetree]

I'm already sick of Albee....:rolleye0001:

[cavimom]

ALbee Kissin Juror Azzzzzzzzzzz PLEEEEASE!:shock:

So bad all he has is DILLARD! Geesh :z0tdntknw:

[IfIMay]

STARTING with Dillard? Wow. He really is scared of him.

[sciencegirl]

Joooooooooooooooolz........thanks for keeping excellent notes for ushttp://bestsmileys.com/thumbs/2.gif

That's a big Ditto for me. You gave up actually watching the trial and only listening and reporting. Now, that's a great poster.:0012:

[tbrito1]

ALbee starts off with Dillard!~ SURPRISE! SURPRISE!~

who's dillard???? don't slap me...:71541: I'll take care of that for ya....

[bambam]

what was the strangled reference? I missed it.

what?? i was in the shower!!

[lovelaw]

Thanks Kindee. It's a sad day for me. I hope to get my bounce back soon.

:attention:

For those who missed my previous post; I have put up my usual poll "How long with the jury be out". Don't forget to vote.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2567


:(

:1222423::love0085::1222423:

[jcc]

ALbee starts off with Dillard!~ SURPRISE! SURPRISE!~

He really thinks this is all about Dillard :0doh:

[cavimom]

I gotta wonder, how many jurors are thinking "Dillard" Thats all you got? I want you to PROVE to me MJ didnt do it!

[Cornblossom]

http://bestsmileys.com/rude/6.gif

[KellBell]

Of course he opens with Aaron Dillard.

[RayStar]

Dillard jacked Albee up! I hope Dillard is walking the straight and narrow because Albee is p.o.'d with him

[bambam]

STARTING with Dillard? Wow. He really is scared of him.

back to his freakin charts again!! arrgh!:rolleye0001:

[TigressPen]

I didn't see remorse in Dillard either. But, I haven't seen any in Mark Jensen either. maybe if guilty verdict comes in we will but that will be all for remorse for Mark going to jail and not Julie's death or his part in it either.

[tbrito1]

http://bestsmileys.com/rude/6.gif

:67302::67302::67302:

[StoneFox]

Albee just can't get over Dillard. I can't believe this is what he starts his CA with. IMO, the jury has probably discounted all the snitches. The evidence is there without Dillard's testimony.

The only thing I can figure is Albee thought the jury paid attention to Dillard's testimony and took a lot of notes. :0009:

I can't come up with any other explanation why Albee keeps harping on Dillard. :71541:

[sciencegirl]

He really thinks this is all about Dillard :0doh:

Isn't that amazing. He actually thinks Dillard is his key witnesses. OMG!!! what a loser.

[RayStar]

I gotta wonder, how many jurors are thinking "Dillard" Thats all you got? I want you to PROVE to me MJ didnt do it!

YES this is nuts.

[annalyzer]

I can discount Dillard's testimony and find guilty easy with all the other evidence.

[tbrito1]

:0009:rut row, where's that dam chart????

[sciencegirl]

I can discount Dillard's testimony and find guilty easy with all the other evidence.

Absolutely without question. I didn't need any of the cons to convince me Mark murdered Julie.

[Cornblossom]

Isn't that amazing. He actually thinks Dillard is his key witnesses. OMG!!! what a loser.I bet he still complains about dillard with his next client LMAO

[mosaic]

I can discount Dillard's testimony and find guilty easy with all the other evidence.

I totally agree!

[lovelaw]

Joooooooooooooooolz........thanks for keeping excellent notes for ushttp://bestsmileys.com/thumbs/2.gif

DITTO!~:girl_haha:

[TigressPen]

Isn't that amazing. He actually thinks Dillard is his key witnesses. OMG!!! what a loser.



Aaron Dillard's testimony was big for Pros but I think Klug was bigger.

[lyndawitha"y]

Mr. Klug is an attention seeker..that's been proved? He wanted so much attention he waits over 8 years to come forth!..I guess he is just slow..??

I wonder if Albee spotlight the plot to get Klug out of the way..as per snitches testimony..as I saw it..Klug was his Biggest obstical!..?

[cavimom]

I hope Jambois stands up in rebuttal and say "ALL ALBEE CAN DO IS TALK ABOUT DILLARD. WONDER WHY IS HE SO AFRAID OF DILLARD? Where was the TRUE proof that he didnt kill JJ

[kindee]

What in the WORLD is Albee doing? What was all that about? He stopped mid sentence and went to his assistant there.

Dillard's on trial? hmmmm

is Albee lost?

[sciencegirl]

I bet he still complains about dillard with his next client LMAO

:67302:

[cavimom]

:0009:rut row, where's that dam chart????
:67302:

[gramvof14]

He meant to say scrambled as to the juror's names; I believe that's what he was referencing and the 7 that will have to sit out of deliberations.
I am so sorry SG.


http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/prayers-1.gif

[jcc]

The state didn't CHANGE their theory, they qualified it.


HERE WE GO>..

1) DILLARD
2) LARGE (Dr. Long... reference to EG in stomach)
3) what was it?
4) Why didn't Julie didn't get help if she thought was being poisoned.

That's all he's got?

[bambam]

I bet he still complains about dillard with his next client LMAO

i bet he dreams of dillard! or would that be a nightmare? lol he's obsessed with dillard!! and charts!! lmao

[lovelaw]

who's dillard???? don't slap me...:71541: I'll take care of that for ya....

The *star* jailhouse snitch who brought forward evidence that MJ told him he smothered Julie by sitting on her back and pushing her face into her bed pillow.

LOL!! No slap from me!~

[cavimom]

Albee needs a valium too he has the STUTTER bug again today!

[bambam]

What in the WORLD is Albee doing? What was all that about? He stopped mid sentence and went to his assistant there.

Dillard's on trial? hmmmm

is Albee lost?

that was weird.... he sounds unsure of himself! albee!

[sciencegirl]

What in the WORLD is Albee doing? What was all that about? He stopped mid sentence and went to his assistant there.

Dillard's on trial? hmmmm

is Albee lost?

I have a feeling that this is going to be priceless!!!! In more ways than one. :francis:

[Cornblossom]

i bet he dreams of dillard! or would that be a nightmare? lol he's obsessed with dillard!! and charts!! lmao
Karma: Dillard as a snitch proving albee's client innocent LMAO

[lovelaw]

I can discount Dillard's testimony and find guilty easy with all the other evidence.



Same here! Dillard means diddly squat to me. I think he's a lying piece of ****!~

[cavimom]

Karma: Dillard as a snitch proving albee's client innocent LMAO
:67302:

[Kuriouz]

hey all!... could that be david behind albee??

[TigressPen]

The state didn't CHANGE their theory, they qualified it.


HERE WE GO>..

1) DILLARD
2) LARGE.
3) what was it?
4) Julie didn't get help.

That's all he's got?



They are good points to make in CA with the defense strategy. He is being consistent and should be.

[sciencegirl]

David alert????????????? Look in second to last row; boy on the end by the isle. Could it be. He's young enough. And there are tons of people on the Jensen side now.

Anybody?????? Whatcha think?

[lovelaw]

I bet he still complains about dillard with his next client LMAO

:67302:

It'll be his SODDI defense......some other Dillard did it!~

[kindee]

ALbee starts off with Dillard!~ SURPRISE! SURPRISE!~



It's all he's got. Maybe the jury will mistrust Dillard more than HIS client.

Maybe not.

This is going to be a looooooooong 2 hours.

[Alibar]

who's dillard???? don't slap me...:71541: I'll take care of that for ya....


Dillard is the jailhouse snitch who said Jensen told him he sat on Julie so as to hasten her death. I'm paraphrasing.

[cavimom]

Mark had said.. Mark Said... Ya Mark says he is innocent too.... GRRR

[lovelaw]

What in the WORLD is Albee doing? What was all that about? He stopped mid sentence and went to his assistant there.

Dillard's on trial? hmmmm

is Albee lost?


I have to say, I expected better.

[lovelaw]

The state didn't CHANGE their theory, they qualified it.


HERE WE GO>..

1) DILLARD
2) LARGE (Dr. Long... reference to EG in stomach)
3) what was it?
4) Why didn't Julie didn't get help if she thought was being poisoned.

That's all he's got?


I agree on all points!!~:zm10:

[Cornblossom]

I have to say, I expected better.kinda like his defense......a fizzle

[TigressPen]

Yeah, he was willing but never showed up to take it!! lawyer said no, no, no.

[kindee]

but but but he didn't TAKE the lie detector test did he?

[Swabby]

Albee, just as we expected...out of the gate with the whine.

We KNOW ONE thing for SURE! Albee never reads the boards, Dillard IS NOT important, either for my vote here OR as a juror. What a waste of time!

Swabby

[jcc]

They are good points to make in CA with the defense strategy. He is being consistent and should be.

What was the third thing he said, do you remember?

[sciencegirl]

but but but he didn't TAKE the lie detector test did he?

No; but Albee wanted to let everyone know that Mark was more than willing to. Yeah right!!!

[TigressPen]

Dillard is the jailhouse snitch who said Jensen told him he sat on Julie so as to hasten her death. I'm paraphrasing.


And pushed on her neck when he sat on her!! How could Dillard have known that too. Cause Marky told him!!

[lovelaw]

David alert????????????? Look in second to last row; boy on the end by the isle. Could it be. He's young enough. And there are tons of people on the Jensen side now.

Anybody?????? Whatcha think?

In the dark suit coat and darker shirt??? Looks young enough.

[tbrito1]

this is an AH HAH kind of moment!!!!!

[sciencegirl]

Albee is pathetic. He has gone from Dillard to Polygraph to EG in less than 5 minutes.

My prediction for the rest of his closing :faintTHUD::faintTHUD::faintTHUD::faintTHUD:

[TigressPen]

What was the third thing he said, do you remember?



depression I think.

[TigressPen]

In the dark suit coat and darker shirt??? Looks young enough.



I was looking for Kelly too but camera panned back to Albee. :( She may be there if that is David.

[sciencegirl]

In the dark suit coat and darker shirt??? Looks young enough.

Yeah; right on the isle seat. If it's him; too bad he wasn't there to hear his mom's side of this case.

[lovelaw]

It's all he's got. Maybe the jury will mistrust Dillard more than HIS client.

Maybe not.

This is going to be a looooooooong 2 hours.


Even if they do, IMO, it shouldn't matter. As SG mentioned, Dillard did not create the theory, he merely helped the State confirm it.

Yes. It will be looooooong....

[cavimom]

I want albee to talk about the Kelly LaBonte and all the e-mails and the planned trip and the computer searches!

[tbrito1]

Yeah; right on the isle seat. If it's him; too bad he wasn't there to hear his mom's side of this case.

is david julie and mj's son?

[sciencegirl]

I was looking for Kelly too but camera panned back to Albee. :( She may be there if that is David.

I doubt she's there today. It is Columbus Day and there's always a sale on mattresses on Columbus Day.:basic44:

[sciencegirl]

is david julie and mj's son?

yup.

[bambam]

what is wrong with him? it's like he's forgetting stuff and talking like he's not real sure what he's talkin about!

[TigressPen]

Lie detector results are not admissable I know. But, can Jambois come back and say, Mark never came in for a test in his rebuttal? I hope so because jury needs that cleared, Albee did good with that and reading how many times Mark agreed to do it.

[Kuriouz]

David had blonde hair in pictures of childhood but it is common for hair to darken with age.. it is possible that it's him.

[tbrito1]

yup.

did he testify? Is he still in touch with daddy?

[annalyzer]

Come on cameraman, MOVE THAT CAMERA! :francis:

[jcc]

Did he just say... you have to look at all the possibilities?????

He forgot to share that with his witnesses!

[JoolzRoolz]

Albee starts by thanking the jury for their patience and attention. Says him and Mr. Jensen really appreciate it.

Begins the CA by bringing up Aaron Dillard. Brings up that Dillard was facing a lot of jail time for his offenses. Goes to the flip chart and shows the Liar, Thief, etc… page. Says AD thought it was pretty funny – says AD thinks a lot of things are funny. Brings up the poor Lithuanians AD conned. Says that AD saw a get out of jail card with MJ and proceeded to formulate the best con of his life – said he recognized MJ from the news, knew of Ed Klug, etc… He portrays MJ as innocently/naively telling AD his story about Ed Klug and mistakes the prosecution was making – such as using Benedryl when the Benedryl in the house was capsules. Says that AD is a known con-man and asks the jury why the prosecution would rely on AD’s story? Why now after all these years?

Asks why did the state change it’s theory and relied on AD? Albee puts up a list on the overhead projector. Number 1: the states original EG theory collapsed when the defense showed Dr. Long’s report was based on a faulty premise; Number 2: that the second EG theory collapsed when they couldn’t prove multiple doses – could not disprove suicide; (missed 3 and 4).

Albee tells the jury should not be fooled by AD’s testimony in this case.

Brings up that Officer Reilly saw Mark Jensen at the scene and he was crying, upset. Reilly had asked MJ if Julie had been sick. MJ tells the officer that he was concerned about her not feeling well, that she was taking too many aspirin, etc… Albee says there was a worry on that first day, the day of her death, that this was suicide. Says the police had suspicions about the letter, about MJ’s worry for his wife, that Julie had told Mark that she did want help (medical).

Brings up the Ratzburg interview. Says the jury saw portions of it, saw Mark deny he killed his wife. Brings up Ratz asking MJ to take a polygraph. Points out that Mark said he was willing when Ratz asked him. Says that after Ratz asked if Mark had hurt her ribs Mark says no and he didn’t want a polygraph to show differently. Jumps by saying that nothing much happens after that – not until 2002.

Albee says in 2002 is when MJ is charged with homicide based on the large concentration of EG in JJ’s stomach. Points out that the large amount was only ½ teaspoon, not a stomach full. Says the state moved forward based on a large amount and it wasn’t until several years later that it was proved it was not.

Albee talks to holes in the state’s case where they cannot disprove suicide. Brings up that Dr. Lavin – the original ME – was fired over this case. Jambois objects that there is no testimony to that. The judge says he remembers something about it and overrules. Albee continues and says that Mainland was brought in knowing Lavin was fired and didn’t want to make the same mistakes Lavin did.

Moves on to Dr. Mainland. Insinuates that Dr Mainland did not want to concede to anything that would help the defense. Says Dr. Mainland had all the data but chose to highlight those things that support the prosecution (e.g. not acknowledging or wanting to acknowledge outlying numbers of EG half-life.

[TigressPen]

I doubt she's there today. It is Columbus Day and there's always a sale on mattresses on Columbus Day.:basic44:





:girl_haha:

[sciencegirl]

Lie detector results are not admissable I know. But, can Jambois come back and say, Mark never came in for a test in his rebuttal? I hope so because jury needs that cleared, Albee did good with that and reading how many times Mark agreed to do it.

Yes; he can. It's only the results that can't come in; and good ole' Albee opened the door on that one; and Jambois can adress it in his rebuttal.

[cavimom]

I doubt she's there today. It is Columbus Day and there's always a sale on mattresses on Columbus Day.:basic44:

:67302::67302:

[annalyzer]

I doubt she's there today. It is Columbus Day and there's always a sale on mattresses on Columbus Day.:basic44:

:67302:

[Kuriouz]

:girl_haha:I doubt she's there today. It is Columbus Day and there's always a sale on mattresses on Columbus Day.:basic44: hahaha (((SG))) hope you feel better.....you are surrounded by friends!!:love0085:

[lost indie]

I doubt she's there today. It is Columbus Day and there's always a sale on mattresses on Columbus Day.:basic44:

:67302::67302::basic44::zm10:

[jcc]

depression I think.

Thanks... yes, I think that might have been it. thanks.

[cavimom]

Yes; he can. It's only the results that can't come in; and good ole' Albee opened the door on that one; and Jambois can adress it in his rebuttal.

Lets hope he does/.. he isnt taking notes! :0doh:

[TigressPen]

Yes; he can. It's only the results that can't come in; and good ole' Albee opened the door on that one; and Jambois can adress it in his rebuttal.




Thank you. I wasn't sure.

[tbrito1]

:0doh:who doesn't know how much they make?

[Cat]

All that lying make Albee really dry.

[sciencegirl]

David had blonde hair in pictures of childhood but it is common for hair to darken with age.. it is possible that it's him.

I had dark hair when I was young and my hair has lightened with age.....if you catch my drift!!! Gotta love hairdressers :girl_sad:

[gramvof14]

I doubt she's there today. It is Columbus Day and there's always a sale on mattresses on Columbus Day.:basic44:
SG it is Presidents Day

[lovelaw]

kinda like his defense......a fizzle



A dud.

:faintTHUD:

[StoneFox]

Karma: Dillard as a snitch proving albee's client innocent LMAO

:girl_haha: a perfect example!

[TigressPen]

I thought the call to Wojt was the day before she died!!! Not the day of. Didn't Margaret Wojt say the last time she talked to Julie was the 2nd?

[JONOTWO]

Dr. Rumack said!! When, after lying about his fees????

[jcc]

Potato and Pepper! There... now we have the full defense. I'm sorry, I still can't give this guy the time of day.

[texaslinda]

Did MJ ever take a lie detector test? If so, does anyone know the results??

[Cornblossom]

:hifive::67302:I doubt she's there today. It is Columbus Day and there's always a sale on mattresses on Columbus Day.:basic44:

[kindee]

does it really matter about the jurors names.. they were all picked by both sides! Albee being a big CRY baby azz wipe again!! :mad::71541:



He DID want to see which names were on the top of that list. Oh yeah, he has some jurors on there he likes more than others for SURE.

[sciencegirl]

Lets hope he does/.. he isnt taking notes! :0doh:

How do you know he's not taking notes? I can only see Albee on my screen. Are you all getting a bigger picture somewhere else???

[Kuriouz]

SG it is Presidents Day

presidents day :girl_haha:or columbus day... it was still funny

[jcc]

I thought the call to Wojt was the day before she died!!! Not the day of. Didn't Margaret Wojt say the last time she talked to Julie was the 2nd?


Yep... still misleading... but I don't think the attorney purposefully misleading will sit well with the jury.

[tbrito1]

Potato and Pepper! There... now we have the full defense. I'm sorry, I still can't give this guy the time of day.

don't forget the pina colada!!:zm10:

[Cornblossom]

I thought the call to Wojt was the day before she died!!! Not the day of. Didn't Margaret Wojt say the last time she talked to Julie was the 2nd?it was the day before

[bambam]

wonder how many jurors went home and tasted antifreeze? i would have!

[kindee]

that was weird.... he sounds unsure of himself! albee!




He still does. He's just all over the place. And seems to totally get lost now and then.

[sciencegirl]

SG it is Presidents Day

that's what I meant. I forgot to screw my head on today. I'd better stop posting; I'm guess I'm not in the right frame of mind right now.

[pinetree]

Shut your mouth, Albee!!


Julie was doing things unknown to Mark??? Chatting on the phone, eating peppers and potatoes, roaming around the house.....:confused:

[TigressPen]

SG it is Presidents Day





Nice day for arguing the oral aspect of Mark and Kelly's relationship, huh. :67302:

[tbrito1]

:67302:wonder how many jurors went home and tasted antifreeze? i would have!

[lovelaw]

Albee is pathetic. He has gone from Dillard to Polygraph to EG in less than 5 minutes.

My prediction for the rest of his closing :faintTHUD::faintTHUD::faintTHUD::faintTHUD:



ALbee is still his usual melancholy self. BOR-ING!
By the end of this statment:
http://bestsmileys.com/silly/13.gif

[Cornblossom]

wonder how many jurors went home and tasted antifreeze? i would have!it's sweet

[Kuriouz]

I believe MJ told Det Ratz he would come back for a lie test then never did IIRC

[StoneFox]

The expression on Albee's face is driving me nuts!

Not only is his voice whining, his face is whining.

:francis:

[kindee]

Yep... still misleading... but I don't think the attorney purposefully misleading will sit well with the jury.




He is totally making it up. I do hope the jury is all over that intentional misleading (otherwise known as lying).

[TigressPen]

Shut your mouth, Albee!!


Julie was doing things unknown to Mark??? Chatting on the phone, eating peppers and potatoes, roaming around the house.....:confused:




Yep. That ol' malingering thing she was always doing. :mad:

[tbrito1]

The expression on Albee's face is driving me nuts!

Not only is his voice whining, his face is whining.

:francis:

he looks like he's constipated~:22wink:

[texaslinda]

I found the answer:

Mark Jensen might have agreed in his videotaped interview with police to take a polygraph test.

But that test never happened.

And jurors won’t be allowed to know that, Judge Bruce E. Schroeder said.

Polygraph evidence is not allowed in Wisconsin, as Schroeder informed jurors this afternoon.

Prosecutor Robert Jambois agreed that jurors should know that. But he also wanted them to know that, even though Mark Jensen agreed to take a lie detector test, no test was ever arranged; Mark’s lawyer made sure of that.

[bambam]

it's sweet

i was gonna taste it home, but we were fresh out!:(

[cavimom]

IM SORRY BUT IF MY HUSBAND WAS REFUSING HELP.. I WOULD CALL 911 IF HE WERE THAT SICK .. NO MATTER WHAT HE SAID! EXPLAIN THAT ALBEE!
Sorry not yelling.. speaking my mind stongly!:yes2:

[lovelaw]

I was looking for Kelly too but camera panned back to Albee. :( She may be there if that is David.

I haven't seen her yet. I'll watch for her.

If that is David, I wonder what he is thinking. Is he really listening?? Doubt it...he is probably tuned out.

[StoneFox]

Did MJ ever take a lie detector test? If so, does anyone know the results??

He never took one. He hired a lawyer instead. :rolleye0001:

[jcc]

Did MJ ever take a lie detector test? If so, does anyone know the results??

He never took it. They didn't allow this to come out in testimony, but ya know... if Albee brings it in suggesting his offer to take one shows his innocence, I think it only fair that Jambois should be able to simply state he never took it by advice of his attorney.