Verdict watch February 19, 2008

[KellBell]

Good morning all, I could barely sleep with anticipation for today.

[sciencegirl]

Good morning all, I could barely sleep with anticipation for today.

Hi Kell:basic45:

Same here!!! I was so jacked up last night I couldn't fall asleep and I've been up since 4 AM. Went back and read some of the final posts when Jammy was done and I teared up all over again. He was just amazing. If we don't get a guilty verdict out of that closing; then what the heck does it take these days.

[KellBell]

I just checked to see if the last video of Jam was up because at the end I had taken my laptop to the kitchen and started dinner so I wasn't glued to it and wanted to see the very end again. Hopefully it will be up later. Gotta go run my daughter to school. I will be back in 30 minutes.

[Roamer]

So the jury is out?

[TigressPen]

Good morning all you early posters and later ones too!! It's possible I won't be here most of the day but I hope I can at least be here when the verdict comes in!! Actually, I am hoping I won't have to be away at all, but real life calls sometimes.

[TigressPen]

So the jury is out?



They start their deliberations this morning. Court resumes at 8:30 for jury.

[gramvof14]

Goodmorning all:mornincoffee: Well the big day is here and lets pray that the jurors use their common sense together with the evidence.:love0085::basic44:

[KellBell]

I'm back with breakfast in hand. I can't believe how excited and anxious I am about this trial.

[kellabeck]

Good morning!
I know it was a long trial but the choice for the jury is a simple and stark one. And Mr Jambois laid it out for them yesterday: it's either murder and cover up or a suicide and frame up.

I will post more of my notes.

[KellBell]

Looks like all the videos from yesterday are up. I am rewatching the states rebuttal closing again.

[gramvof14]

I'm back with breakfast in hand. I can't believe how excited and anxious I am about this trial.
I think your not alone Kell, I can't get over Jambois how awesome he was I knew he was saving the best till he heard Albee's CA. and he exceded my expectations.:hifive:

[gramvof14]

Good morning!
I know it was a long trial but the choice for the jury is a simple and stark one. And Mr Jambois laid it out for them yesterday: it's either murder and cover up or a suicide and frame up.

I will post more of my notes.
Morning Kella you and Joolz did a great job with all your notes thanks.:1222423:

[IfIMay]

Good morning! Now starts the tortured hours of waiting and hoping that justice is done in this case. Jambois couldn't have been more clear on the evidence. It's there to convict, imho.

[KellBell]

I think your not alone Kell, I can't get over Jambois how awesome he was I knew he was saving the best till he heard Albee's CA. and he exceded my expectations.:hifive:


I agree! I posted after Jambois finished his closing arguments that it was good but anti-climatic but after his rebuttal it felt complete. He gave it that last little uhmf that it needed to deliver the passion and emotion that it deserved. I thought Albee's closing was flat and non-effective. I hope the jury doesn't deliberate for days. I might have an anxiety attack if they do. Either that or my spring cleaning will be done in a flash.

[IfIMay]

Yes...don't think I said it yesterday, but Joolz and Kella rocked the note-taking. I was so impressed and thankful. I've gone back to read your notes several times.

[KellBell]

Good morning Kella, are you paying close attention to the murder in your area, the psychiatrist? I was reading to try to find out if he confessed fully or if he plans to plead guilty. I am just thinking a full trial would be horrific for the family. I fear he may plead insanity. It seems he was institutionalized for most of his adult life, he might be able to get away with an insanity plea. That is scary.

[kellabeck]

Why do we stand up when you enter and leave the courtroom? It's b/c you are ministers of justice. You are the finders of fact. And the evidence was presented to you as public officers.

KLB's testimony is the stuff that people gossip about. But we did not elicit this testimony to embarrass her or humiliate her or to make you think she is a bad person.

There were reasons why that testimony was elicited. First, what is the likelihood of having that convo about all her past lovers in great detail would not be remembered? And how likely would it occur two years into a relationship rather than near the beginning?

KLB was not telling you the truth. She wanted to minimize when sex began with MJ. At the forfeiture hearing she testified there was one sexual encounter in Oct or Nov. Then when reminded of the penalties for perjury she changes her testimony and says that if you count oral sex there were a number of encounters before that.

After the break he resumed with the reasons for the excruciating detail in the KLB testimony. Her bias. She was trying to get her lies to match MJ's lies to Ratz (no sex before JJ died). Only after she was reminded and she consulted with her atty -- just as it happened in the earlier hearing, it happened here that she changed her story and suddenly the convo could have taken place in 1998.

The embarrassing details of the convo were only brought up AFTER she lied and then when she was told that the date of the convo was a "material fact" is when she conceded the earlier time.

Kelly Jensen was untruthful. Who tipped her off?> You heard the defendant with your own ears in that recorded phone call. "That convo didn't happen in 1998." Trying to get their stories straight. And why? WHO WAS USING THE INTERNET 16 OCT 1998?

It's important to the defense that you not think of the Mercury Fulminate search (10:15? 18?) was by MJ. And "cross wiring pool pum" causing it to blow up. And the nicotine site at 10:36. At 10:46 the office list at Stifel, search for the branch listing search. 10:47 Ron Wruck. 10:49 directory-- John Joseph 10:53 Colorado Springs office John T Jock Joseph.

That's why we went through the list of KLB's lovers. In the fall of 98, the manager's meeting in St Louis, KLB and JJJ.

Weird preoccupation of MJ with penises and comparisons: size, length, girth, shape. Why? Because it revealed a bizarre preoccupation so you will have an insight into the porn stalking which began after JJ's brief affair with Perry Tarica and continued up to the KLB affair.

That last really interested me. Was there no more porn stalking once Mark hooked up with the company mattress? Did his obsessing over her supplant his need to punish Julie? And was it also that he was plotting his ultimate revenge??

Notes to be continued...

[KellBell]

I was just thinking about Mark Jensen, Scott Peterson, Darren Mack and David Tarloff. Monsters come in all shapes, sizes and from all walks of life. It scares the hell out of me sometimes when I think that you just really don't know people and anyone you pass on the street or a neighbor or even a spouse has the potential to be a brutal murderer. Something sticks out in my mind about todays article on CNN.com about David Tarloff, a neighbor said something like, they never expected it, he was quiet. I hear that so much in murder cases. My mother always said "it's the quiet ones you have to watch out for" I always thought she was talking about men in relationship to sex but now I wonder...

[kellabeck]

Good morning Kella, are you paying close attention to the murder in your area, the psychiatrist? I was reading to try to find out if he confessed fully or if he plans to plead guilty. I am just thinking a full trial would be horrific for the family. I fear he may plead insanity. It seems he was institutionalized for most of his adult life, he might be able to get away with an insanity plea. That is scary.

I was paying attn only b/c it was so close to home and so horrific and scary to think this maniac was running around out there. So we are all grateful to NYPD for a quick resolution. I expect David Tarloff will be locked up for the rest of his life and it's sad that our system is such that someone has to do something so egregious before action is taken and it can't be prevented. I feel bad for his family.

I anticipate his CDA will go for insanity and there is evidence of mental problems in the past. All I care is that he's never out.

That is not the kind of trial that interests me, though. I will look to the outcome, but if NYS had cameras in the courtroom, it's not the kind of trial that I like. I like the domestic CE cases like Jensen and Peterson East and West. My cup of tea.

Strange tea.

[KellBell]

I wondered why Jam didn't focus more on the fact that Mark had terrorized Julie for 7 years with the stalking and if he was capable of that then imagine what he was doing with making Julie think she was crazy about other things, like making her fear for her life by leaving scary list around, syringes, computer searches, threatening to take her children or worse, hurting them, God knows what else. I wouldn't put anything past him. The mental and psychological abuse he put her through was horrific. I would take a beating over that any day. Some people don't understand abuse if it isn't physical. They often go hand in hand but sometimes it is only mental and psychological. In my opinion, the mental is worse.

[KellBell]

I was paying attn only b/c it was so close to home and so horrific and scary to think this maniac was running around out there. So we are all grateful to NYPD for a quick resolution. I expect David Tarloff will be locked up for the rest of his life and it's sad that our system is such that someone has to do something so egregious before action is taken and it can't be prevented. I feel bad for his family.

I anticipate his CDA will go for insanity and there is evidence of mental problems in the past. All I care is that he's never out.

That is not the kind of trial that interests me, though. I will look to the outcome, but if NYS had cameras in the courtroom, it's not the kind of trial that I like. I like the domestic CE cases like Jensen and Peterson East and West. My cup of tea.

Strange tea.

I totally understand and agree, I don't get into the other type as much either. A simple "crazy man" serial killer is far different from the every day joe turned murderer. I can't begin to wrap my mind around a serial killer who does it for sport but the husband, like Jensen and Peterson intrigue me and make me want to get inside their head and figure out what makes them tick.

[TigressPen]

Regardless of how I feel about his defendant, I feel Albee put up an excellent fight for his rights. And deservedly so, unfortunately. I have always had a hard time dealing with rights of killers vs rights of their victims. IMO Mark Jensen disregarded his victim's rights and should be thrown in jail and the key lost to his cell. It's easy to think the rights of the victim's families should supercede the rights of the murderer. But, how do we know for sure a defendant is really guilty unless we hear all the evidence against them or they openly say, I did it.

I do believe Albee had a good strong CA. He did ramble a bit there at the end and should have closed at least 15 minutes before he did but he could have caused a juror or two to think, that makes sense.

I just hope if he did, that those who are leaning toward defense aren't on the seated 12. I hope the jury goes into that room, discuss the whys of how they feel and come to an agreement of guilty as charged. Julie deserves justice and her family deserves closure.

[sciencegirl]

I was just thinking about Mark Jensen, Scott Peterson, Darren Mack and David Tarloff. Monsters come in all shapes, sizes and from all walks of life. It scares the hell out of me sometimes when I think that you just really don't know people and anyone you pass on the street or a neighbor or even a spouse has the potential to be a brutal murderer. Something sticks out in my mind about todays article on CNN.com about David Tarloff, a neighbor said something like, they never expected it, he was quiet. I hear that so much in murder cases. My mother always said "it's the quiet ones you have to watch out for" I always thought she was talking about men in relationship to sex but now I wonder...


I took this quiz on-line; where you went through about 3 pages of sex offenders. There were maybe 50 pictures in all. And you had to check a box under the pic if you thought they were a sex offender. While I didn't do to bad on the quiz; I was astounded at some of the pics I missed. Just looking at them; I would never have thought they were sex offenders. It was really an interesting quiz.

[kellabeck]

continuing with discussion of the porn stalking...

There was one photo with writing on it -- "Is his as big as mine?" Who else would pose such a question? Who else had the motive to do this?

"the illustrious Dr Spiro, offensive in bias and manner and arrogance..." (Sorry! I was so entranced by his characterization of Dr Spiro that I didn't write down the rest!! Oops!)

Dr Borman was a good source information...And talk about people being bought and paid for! Aaron Dillard at least admitted he was!

Dr Spiro -- this expert knew what tone of voice LK would have used had that convo taken place! This hired expert tells you what was goin on in Julie Jensen's mind. And the source of the information he based that opinion on is sitting right her. The man who murdered her!

He told you JJ "was delusional." Dr Denton was hired by the defense but had to concede the truth. He was deeply alarmed by the (OWN DRUG SUPPLY) list. JJ showed the list to Kosman and to LK. It's unfortunate she didn't show it to Dr Denton. And remember what LK said to JJ "You have no idea what he is capable of."

Remember the testimony of Ed Klug. I never heard of him until July 07. OBJECTION! EK told you he didn't come forward because he was so afraid of getting involved. MJ was his boss.

Ed Klug HAD NO MOTIVE TO MAKE HIS TESTIMONY UP. He told his wife of the convo with MJ at the time it was happening. And you had the testimony of Ron Wruck who saw EK the next morning, disheveled and EK said, I've been up all night with MJ talking about killing our wives.

Think of all the people who have to be lying for MJ to be innocent. Ed Klug, Joanne Klug, Ron Wruck, Stacy Bauer, Quin Yorton... And even Dawn Cooper corroborates the drinking and spouse bashing. MJ didn't tell EK what he did until after she left.

MJ loves to talk. He talked in the county jail. He talked to EK. He was drinking and thinking about JJ, because he had poisoned her. He was calling her, checking on her to see if she was dead yet.

And Joanne Klug has the better memory. Wives often do. But she was not drinking that night. Ed was. And what of EK's demeanor? Did he appear to be lying? He had a reason to be ashamed for having the convo and not coming forward but he had no reason to make it up.

EK's testimony was corroborated by unbiased witnesses. EK's testimony was a dagger to the heart of the defense's case.

While you are listening to Mr. Albee, a fine attorney, and you are thinking "this is ludicrous" -- remember: he is stuck with the story that JJ committed suicide and framed her husband.

Wait for the part where he explains where JJ's anger and vitriol is. Where is the evidence of such a devious nature?

What is her motive to leave her children motherless and fatherless?

Ask yourselves. Where is the sense?

To frame someone using a poison which causes a horrible slow death.
That isn't typically found at autopsy.
And erasing references to it in the computer.

Where is the capability to get up and go to the computer and look up "cyanosis" "tachycardia" and "coma"?? How did she get up out of bed on 3 December -- "Am I in a coma?" Who is looking up the symptoms and progression of the illness to see when she's is going to die? And who is erasing those searches to cover his tracks? The defendant.

[KellBell]

I took this quiz on-line; where you went through about 3 pages of sex offenders. There were maybe 50 pictures in all. And you had to check a box under the pic if you thought they were a sex offender. While I didn't do to bad on the quiz; I was astounded at some of the pics I missed. Just looking at them; I would never have thought they were sex offenders. It was really an interesting quiz.


I would like to take that quiz, I have always thought I had an eye for those creeps.

[sciencegirl]

I would like to take that quiz, I have always thought I had an eye for those creeps.

I'll see if I can find it; it was a couple of years ago. I thought I had an eye for them too; but you'll be quite surprised. They even included women sex offender's pics in the quiz. I totally blew it on the women.

[kellabeck]

I disagree, Tigress. I don't think he had a good strong CA. He rambled and rambled all over the place and any chance he had, imo, was destroyed by his verbal diarrhea and his mistatements of fact which offend juries.

His two big experts, Spiro and Rumack, were exposed as charlatans. To act like they were unbiased scientists was absurd. His one honest witness, Dr Denton, was turned around to the State's side when all the evidence not given to him was presented.

I don't think that Albee had a lot to work with but he blathered away any hope he had.

[girlfriday]

I'm still curious about the list of lovers.

Does anyone know the names, in order?


---------
jmo

[sciencegirl]

I'm still curious about the list of lovers.

Does anyone know the names, in order?


---------
jmo

No; but I've got copies of the pictures :67302:

[kellabeck]

Believe it or not, I think it's good for an attorney to leave a few points out of the CA. For example, Mr Mangi's testimony. One or more of the proponents of guilt will raise that, and the flirting and fun at the Christmas party, as examples of MJ's callousness and uncaring. Jurors love to put the puzzle pieces together.

I was once on a jury for a case in which the defendant testified. I pointed out two things he said which were completely illogical to his defense and made no sense with the physical facts. At the start of delibs I was only one of two who thought he was guilty (5 NG and 5 undecided) but by the end, at the mistrial b/c of the stealth juror, we were 10 G and just the 2 NGs, one being the stealth and the other a wingnut who was listening to her. We could have had a verdict had the stealth juror not lied her way onto the jury.

[kellabeck]

I'm still curious about the list of lovers.

Does anyone know the names, in order?

Not that interested frankly.

[lost indie]

Not that interested frankly.

That doesn't mean girlfriday can't be...

:confused:

[tbrito1]

good morning everyone. On my way into work. Will be here paying attention shortely.

[RayStar]

Regardless of how I feel about his defendant, I feel Albee put up an excellent fight for his rights. And deservedly so, unfortunately. I have always had a hard time dealing with rights of killers vs rights of their victims. IMO Mark Jensen disregarded his victim's rights and should be thrown in jail and the key lost to his cell. It's easy to think the rights of the victim's families should supercede the rights of the murderer. But, how do we know for sure a defendant is really guilty unless we hear all the evidence against them or they openly say, I did it. SNIPPED:mornincoffee:
This first paragraph is on target. Your last sentence is powerful. I have to hope the guilty are punished. Too bad most offenders rarely admit guilt.<-LOL What would I have to post about if we only saw/heard of the sentencing only. LOL Anyway I agree with your post.:hifive:

[TigressPen]

I'm still curious about the list of lovers.

Does anyone know the names, in order?


---------
jmo



I think someone added a list on that the day Kelly testified. So, you can check that day's thread.

[KellBell]

I'm still curious about the list of lovers.

Does anyone know the names, in order?


---------
jmo

I bet Kelly can't even put a complete list together. She probably has way too many to count.

[johnielee333]

:mornincoffee::s1gyahoo:

[bigkitty]

Good morning all!:happy0207:

I wasn't able to join you all yesterday because my son is off this week from school. I did listen to the closing arguments by having him leave wisn in an open window while he played Runescape with his pals.

I thought Mr. Jambois hit alll the important points. No important stone was left unturned. His rebuttal was excellent. I can say this without the benefit of having the visual part of his closing. I'm counting on the jury to see the horses, not the zebras.:yes2:

[KellBell]

Actually GF, if you go to youtube the videos of Kellys testimony are up there so you could look there too to listen to the list. I will see if I can find it for you also.

[KellBell]

:mornincoffee::s1gyahoo:

Morning Johnnie!

[sciencegirl]

That doesn't mean girlfriday can't be...

:confused:

:girl_haha: morning indie!!!!!

[kellabeck]

That doesn't mean girlfriday can't be...

:confused:


Did I say that girlfriday can't be? I don't recall typing that.

[girlfriday]

No; but I've got copies of the pictures :67302:

You are kidding! :girl_haha:

[TigressPen]

I disagree, Tigress. I don't think he had a good strong CA. He rambled and rambled all over the place and any chance he had, imo, was destroyed by his verbal diarrhea and his mistatements of fact which offend juries.

His two big experts, Spiro and Rumack, were exposed as charlatans. To act like they were unbiased scientists was absurd. His one honest witness, Dr Denton, was turned around to the State's side when all the evidence not given to him was presented.

I don't think that Albee had a lot to work with but he blathered away any hope he had.



Any defense attorney can only spin the evidence against their client. Really, all they are doing is making sure the State proves their case. I liked Albee and didn't have a problem with his actions in the courtroom. He was, after all, fighting for the rights his client deserves. It's what this country is built on. Our rights.

I never consider a defense attorney as anything but brave. Some, are lousy lawyers and don't fight a good battle for their clients. I've seen trials where i felt that. Some are better than that, others are superb. On a 1 - 10 level. I'd say Albee is a 7.


Albee's CA obviously worried Jambois or he wouldn't have given such a long rebuttal. He too, rambled some there at the end of his rebuttal, but not so much to lose my interest in what he was saying. I stayed alert to both lawyers.

However, I will say. May the State win this case.

[johnielee333]

Morning Johnnie!

good morning kellbell ! :D

[tbrito1]

:mornincoffee:ok, i was thinking last night.......Can you imagine how MJ's kids must feel knowing that their father is obsessed with "you know whats"?????

[girlfriday]

OK, no :thud2: knock downs over lil ole me. I'm one of those people who tries to reconcile all the stuff that my mind questioned. I just want to see that list to clear up something in my mind.

Thanks for the suggestions. I think I'll check Kelly's testimony again.

Thanks :INhouseReading04:

[sciencegirl]

You are kidding! :girl_haha:

Hey; I'm a single girl!!! What do you expect?:) I'll try to find those names for ya; just give me some time, ok?

WISN has the clock up. Get ready to see what Albee has to say about the alternates.

[lovelaw]

WOO HOO!! VERDICT WATCH!!~

Good morning!~

[sciencegirl]

:mornincoffee:ok, i was thinking last night.......Can you imagine how MJ's kids must feel knowing that their father is obsessed with "you know whats"?????

And, his oldest son is 17 and a senior in highschool. I hope they haven't teased him too much. This is a tradegy all the way around.

[tbrito1]

WOO HOO!! VERDICT WATCH!!~

Good morning!~

morning lovelaw!:happy0207:

[sciencegirl]

WOO HOO!! VERDICT WATCH!!~

Good morning!~

Morning Lovey -

I don't think I slept a wink last night. I am absolutely wired today. I mean think about it; today could really be the day we get the verdict.:s1gyahoo:

[Bernie]

Morning all...:howdy:

[tbrito1]

And, his oldest son is 17 and a senior in highschool. I hope they haven't teased him too much. This is a tradegy all the way around.

can you imagine the harrassment this kid must be getting. MJ is a very selfish man!!! Didn't think of any conseqeunces what so ever!!!!

[shortcake]

Morning All!
At least we get court proceedings a little earlier today! I'm so anxious about the verdict coming down. I have lots of things going on this afternoon and tomorrow morning. So place your bets, somewhere in that time frame the verdict will come down.

[KellBell]

OK, no :thud2: knock downs over lil ole me. I'm one of those people who tries to reconcile all the stuff that my mind questioned. I just want to see that list to clear up something in my mind.

Thanks for the suggestions. I think I'll check Kelly's testimony again.

Thanks :INhouseReading04:

I was looking through the videos and I can't find it. I will keep looking until court resumes...

[tbrito1]

Morning Lovey -

I don't think I slept a wink last night. I am absolutely wired today. I mean think about it; today could really be the day we get the verdict.:s1gyahoo:

what was the results of the vote? I say 3 hours for until we hear a verdict!!!:s1gyahoo:

[kellabeck]

my notes, as far as I went, of Craig Albee's CA.

If he spent, he said, 5 mins talking about each day of the trial, that would take up his entire 2 hrs. So he would hit only the highlights.

On Aug 14, 2007, Aaron Dillard arrived at the Kenosha County Jail. Albee goes to the easel and gets out his "liar convict conman" chart.

AD thought a lot of things were funny. Had no remorse. And he found his Get Out of Jail Free card when he met MJ. He knew who he was. He knew about Ed Klug. He read the EK TS.

Why be receptive to AD? Why come up with a new cause of death? Why was MJ charged if they didn't know it? Why did they change their theory?

The States' original EG theory collapsed. The second EG theory lacked scientific basis to exclude suicide. JJ was suffering from depression. And she had no reason not to seek help.

The prosecution's "gambit" at the 11th hour-- They ask how could AD concoct this story? Robert Jambois said in his OS- "I don't know." AD got Ratzburg's TS at the same time as EK's TS.

[wi_twin_mom]

Morning everyone!! I couldn't watch closing arguments yesterday, but I'm catching up on YouTube! How do they usually announce that the jury has come in with a verdict?? I have to work today- but have "people" who can watch the TV or wisn.

[KellBell]

And, his oldest son is 17 and a senior in highschool. I hope they haven't teased him too much. This is a tradegy all the way around.

Actually David is 18 now and from what Pinky and I investigated the other day he may have his own apartment. MAY, not positive on that but there is a David Jensen that has an apartment in Plesant Prarie. He turned 18 last month.

[johnielee333]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t74/johnielee3/th14.gif

for julie


http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t74/johnielee3/Julie205.png

[KellBell]

what was the results of the vote? I say 3 hours for until we hear a verdict!!!:s1gyahoo:

Check the poll thread for wagers on how long the jury will be out.

[sciencegirl]

what was the results of the vote? I say 3 hours for until we hear a verdict!!!:s1gyahoo:

Here ya go!!!

1-12 Hours 15 39.47%
13-24 hours 4 10.53%
2 days 6 15.79%
3 days 12 31.58%
4+ Days 1 2.63%
Voters: 38. You have already voted on this poll

[tbrito1]

Actually David is 18 now and from what Pinky and I investigated the other day he may have his own apartment. MAY, not positive on that but there is a David Jensen that has an apartment in Plesant Prarie. He turned 18 last month.

thanks kellbell!

[kellabeck]

Jean Casarez just said something about the defense having some science on their side that JJ might have taken a large dose herself and it metabolized slowly WITH HER FATTY LIVER.

I remember the subj. of her liver came up with Dr Mainland and she said JJ's liver WAS NOT FATTY. That what I recall. Anybody remember it different?

[shortcake]

can you imagine the harrassment this kid must be getting. MJ is a very selfish man!!! Didn't think of any conseqeunces what so ever!!!!

Someone from that area said that things were going ok at the school. Of course that was back when all the kinky info first began to come to light.

[sciencegirl]

Actually David is 18 now and from what Pinky and I investigated the other day he may have his own apartment. MAY, not positive on that but there is a David Jensen that has an apartment in Plesant Prarie. He turned 18 last month.

But, he's still in highschool right? I think Jean said he was. And good for him getting an apartment and getting away from Kelly. I wish he could go to the courts and get Douglas to live with him.

[tbrito1]

Here ya go!!!

1-12 Hours 15 39.47%
13-24 hours 4 10.53%
2 days 6 15.79%
3 days 12 31.58%
4+ Days 1 2.63%
Voters: 38. You have already voted on this poll

Thanks Sciencegirl!

[sciencegirl]

Someone from that area said that things were going ok at the school. Of course that was back when all the kinky info first began to come to light.

I sure hope so. How can you not think about these two boys now. They are ever present in my mind.

[KellBell]

But, he's still in highschool right? I think Jean said he was. And good for him getting an apartment and getting away from Kelly. I wish he could go to the courts and get Douglas to live with him.


Yes he is a senior

[sciencegirl]

Clock is up on WISN. It's 8:15 and that's when the lawyers are due back to argue this issue about the alternates.

[tbrito1]

did you all see the poll that WISN has?

Do you think that Mark Jensen is guilty of killing his wife with antifreeze?
Choice Votes Percentage of 1843 Votes
Yes 1443 78%
No 280 15%
I'm not sure 120 7%

[KellBell]

anyone have clock???

[JoolzRoolz]

Regardless of how I feel about his defendant, I feel Albee put up an excellent fight for his rights. And deservedly so, unfortunately.
<snip for space>


I agree with most of what you wrote. I think Albee did what he could and kept an eye on MJ's constitutional rights. I did not like some if not most of Albee's tactics but, again, I guess he really didn't have much to work with as far as defending his client.

I don't think Albee's CA was all that great. True, I think he may have made a point here or there to cause a juror to pause and hesitate but he focused too much on Dillard IMO. I think the jury may have walked away with the impression "is that all he's got?". But I guess we'll see. I don't think the verdict will come back as quick as most people here are hoping. I think it's going to be at least 3 days.

PS Good morning everybody! My first verdict watch! WHEEEEEEEE!

[bigkitty]

And, his oldest son is 17 and a senior in highschool. I hope they haven't teased him too much. This is a tradegy all the way around.


I feel so sorry for the boys. I think the younger boy is probably humiliated by his dad's obession with wieners. The 17 year old I'm sure is having a hard time, but I remember my son at 13 and how sensitive he was. MJ really makes me ill. This case has caused me lose sleep. I can't imagine being related to that monster, let alone having him for a dad.

I've been so upset the past few days. I'm absolutely terrified this man is going to get away with this. I don't know how to express how much this case has upset me. To my very core.

I see Julie's face and it breaks my heart that for the last 7 years of her life she tried so hard to be the best wife and mother she could be, to make amends for her mistake with Perry. And all along that creep was torturing her. The fact that she died not knowing that Perry really cared for her and that he would never have done such a horrible thing to her is just one more terrible fact in this case.

[KellBell]

did you all see the poll that WISN has?

Do you think that Mark Jensen is guilty of killing his wife with antifreeze?
Choice Votes Percentage of 1843 Votes
Yes 1443 78%
No 280 15%
I'm not sure 120 7%

yikes, I better go put my two cents in...

[annalyzer]

Clock is up on WISN. It's 8:15 and that's when the lawyers are due back to argue this issue about the alternates.


Mornin SG and everyone.

[lovelaw]

Here ya go!!!

1-12 Hours 15 39.47%
13-24 hours 4 10.53%
2 days 6 15.79%
3 days 12 31.58%
4+ Days 1 2.63%
Voters: 38. You have already voted on this poll


Let's hope it is option 1!~
But, wow....it looks like it is either going to be short or long as far as the majority goes!~ We take a big jump from 1-12 hours right up to 3 days!~

I guess though, that 12 hours could span 2 days! SO...I bet we are right on target with option 1!~ YEE HAH!~

[sciencegirl]

anyone have clock???

Got the clock and just got the tone. Should be any minute now.

[lost indie]

:girl_haha: morning indie!!!!!

Good morning sciencegirl....

Cold and snowy here...Reuben and Asher are delighted I'm home today...

:basic45:

[JoolzRoolz]

Jean Casarez just said something about the defense having some science on their side that JJ might have taken a large dose herself and it metabolized slowly WITH HER FATTY LIVER.

I remember the subj. of her liver came up with Dr Mainland and she said JJ's liver WAS NOT FATTY. That what I recall. Anybody remember it different?


I remember as you do. It was emphasized in her rebuttal testimony. She said she looked at a sample under a microscope and found no evidence of a fatty liver.

[bambam]

mornin peeps! are we all still doin the happy dance today?? i know i am! wooohooooo!!!http://th69.photobucket.com/albums/i43/reliance6791/th_b674c897.gif

[sciencegirl]

Let's hope it is option 1!~
But, wow....it looks like it is either going to be short or long as far as the majority goes!~ We take a big jump from 1-12 hours right up to 3 days!~

I guess though, that 12 hours could span 2 days! SO...I bet we are right on target with option 1!~ YEE HAH!~

Yeah; I really need to change that in the future. But when I post 2 days; it really means 48 hours of deliberations. It's just easier to finish it off by days and I don't feel like calculating all of the hours.:)

[johnielee333]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t74/johnielee3/throos4re.gif

for julie

[tbrito1]

anyone have clock???

yep
http://www.wisn.com/video/14992953/detail.html

[bigkitty]

Mornin SG and everyone.


Hi Annalyzer! Love the new avatar.:)

[andersson33]

good morning!
:mornincoffee:

[IfIMay]

Jean Casarez just said something about the defense having some science on their side that JJ might have taken a large dose herself and it metabolized slowly WITH HER FATTY LIVER.

I remember the subj. of her liver came up with Dr Mainland and she said JJ's liver WAS NOT FATTY. That what I recall. Anybody remember it different?

I like Jean a lot, but she seems to have gotten a lot wrong in this trial. She needs to check her sources cause it sounds like she's only talking to Albee.

[sciencegirl]

Mornin SG and everyone.

I just love your avatar. Smile everytime I see it. And, good morning anna:basic44:

[tbrito1]

mornin peeps! are we all still doin the happy dance today?? i know i am! wooohooooo!!!http://th69.photobucket.com/albums/i43/reliance6791/th_b674c897.gif

someone's fired up again this morning!!!! :basic44:

:innocent0001: for a guilty verdict soon!!!

[sciencegirl]

I like Jean a lot, but she seems to have gotten a lot wrong in this trial. She needs to check her sources cause it sounds like she's only talking to Albee.

I have to give Jean a pass on this one. She was right in the middle of the Jensen trial; then had to fly out to Vegas to cover the DMack case; then back to snowbound Wisconsin for the rest of Jensen. I'd be exhausted if I were her.

[lost indie]

I have to give Jean a pass on this one. She was right in the middle of the Jensen trial; then had to fly out to Vegas to cover the DMack case; then back to snowbound Wisconsin for the rest of Jensen. I'd be exhausted if I were her.

Not to mention what it would do to your sinus' and skin...

[bigkitty]

mornin peeps! are we all still doin the happy dance today?? i know i am! wooohooooo!!!http://th69.photobucket.com/albums/i43/reliance6791/th_b674c897.gif


Good morning Bambam!:)

Like the dancer.

The thing is i just feel like :1187603408.CR.Mothe today. I'm so afraid someone on the jury will buy what the defense is selling and that MJ will go free. I know that Mr. Jambois did an awesome job, but after reading over on the dark side I know that there are still some people out there with thinking as twisted as Albee's. I'm sorry but I find Albee to be a disgusting POS just like his client. For him to use this defense it shows me a man totally lacking in human decency.

[bambam]

someone's fired up again this morning!!!! :basic44:

:innocent0001: for a guilty verdict soon!!!

yeeeeaah buddy!!!! you betcha!!! ready for that big Gverdict!!!

man, if they end up goin for days.... it's gonna totally freak all of us out!! i just hope it's quick and painless....painless for us...but painFUL for MJ!!

[lovelaw]

Yeah; I really need to change that in the future. But when I post 2 days; it really means 48 hours of deliberations. It's just easier to finish it off by days and I don't feel like calculating all of the hours.:)

I know what you mean!! :girl_haha: And I follow you!~

[kellabeck]

MJ told _____ (didn't catch the name) that JJ "didn't want help." You saw the Ratz interview. Ratz asked MJ to take -- p 125- a polygraph and MJ says "yeah." And he reads the times he's asked and agrees to a polygraph test. Several times he said yes to a polygraph.

11 Mar 2002 we have Dr Long's 3 pp report stating there was a "large amt" of EG in JJ's stomach. Days later MJ is charged.

There is "so much evidence" about JJ's depression and suicide.

There's an aha kind of moment based on Long's report. Defense experts point out it wasn't a large amt, it was a half teaspoon and that could be residual or leftover in a glass. There is "nothing that shows this is a homicide."

Aug 07 there are holes in the pros. case. What if defense experts hadn't been competent enough to discover Long's mistake? And then he mentions the many "wrongful convictions" that happen and innocent defendants are wrongfully convicted.

Dr Lavin was fired over a dispute in this case. OBJECTION. overruled. Dr Mainland didn't want the same thing to happen to her. There is not enough EG research. And Dr Mainland is biased.

In her testimony about the 3-5 hr half-life of EG and the extreme low amout of EG that is lethal that she used, she showed her bias.

[IfIMay]

I have to give Jean a pass on this one. She was right in the middle of the Jensen trial; then had to fly out to Vegas to cover the DMack case; then back to snowbound Wisconsin for the rest of Jensen. I'd be exhausted if I were her.

She's a journalist. She has an obligation to get the facts before she speaks. But, I'm sure she's tired of the whole lot.

[kellabeck]

What is an engineering tech?
Oh, no! There's an engineer on the jury!!

I hope the engineer doesn't make it into the 12!

[sciencegirl]

OMG!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jean just said there is an Engineering Tech on this jury. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[kellabeck]

The Wisconsin law needs changing. There is no reason to dismiss the alternate jurors and potentially cause a mistrial!!

[kellabeck]

But she read the whole 19. It's only 12, so let's hope the engineer is in the 7.

[sciencegirl]

Live

[kellabeck]

live

[bigkitty]

What is an engineering tech?
Oh, no! There's an engineer on the jury!!

I hope the engineer doesn't make it into the 12!


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!:eek:

[KellBell]

OMG!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jean just said there is an Engineering Tech on this jury. :1187603408.CR.Mothe


It will be ok, I have a good feeling about this. Some engineers are rational. The evidence is overwhelming. We will get our verdict. Breathe in, breathe out.

[andersson33]

So true, about killers. They walk invisibly among us.

We had an employee years back. A young man in his twenties. Pleasant, but not outgoing. Nice, sort of shy, but nice. No problems with attendance or his work.
He worked for us a couple of years, and then quit.
The next time I heard his name was on the television. He'd gone into a McDonalds in Beloit Wisconsin and shot and killed several people, then shot and killed himself.
I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
He was pleasant. Good worker. Pleasant.
And he was a killer.

I still reel from that.
There was no explanation as to "why."








I was just thinking about Mark Jensen, Scott Peterson, Darren Mack and David Tarloff. Monsters come in all shapes, sizes and from all walks of life. It scares the hell out of me sometimes when I think that you just really don't know people and anyone you pass on the street or a neighbor or even a spouse has the potential to be a brutal murderer. Something sticks out in my mind about todays article on CNN.com about David Tarloff, a neighbor said something like, they never expected it, he was quiet. I hear that so much in murder cases. My mother always said "it's the quiet ones you have to watch out for" I always thought she was talking about men in relationship to sex but now I wonder...

[bambam]

Good morning Bambam!:)

Like the dancer.

The thing is i just feel like :1187603408.CR.Mothe today. I'm so afraid someone on the juror will buy what the defense is selling and that MJ will go free. I know that Mr. Jambois did an awesome job, but after reading over on the dark side I know that there are still some people out there with thinking as twisted as Albee's. I'm sorry but I find Albee to be a disgusting POS just like his client. For him to use this defense it shows me a man totally lacking in human decency.

oh, don't you know that all of us here cringe at the thought of that possibility! we've seen it happen too much in recent trials. and when you look at how the NG's think over on the other board-- it just seems incredible that anybody could come up with the stuff they post! it's mind-boggling! and then you think-- well, we have em here--what if there's one on the jury?? cos that's all it would take! it's a skeery thought! but we need to just stay positive and hope and pray for the best--that julie will finally get justice, and her poor family can have closure after all this time!!

[shortcake]

where's the robe, judge?

[KellBell]

Can't the judge just order alternates to stay??? This seems like they are making a big deal out of a no brainer but I am just a watcher.

[kellabeck]

Judge is saying that he didn't intend his remarks yesterday to be coercive. "No reason to lower the bond" and yesterday he was talking about rescheduling any retrial that it would prolly be after the appellate courts settled the matter of the admissability of JJ's letter, and the dying declaration complicating matters.

Yesterday he was indeed trying to get the defense to go along with the keeping of the alternates.

Now he is CYA

[girlfriday]

Hey; I'm a single girl!!! What do you expect?:) I'll try to find those names for ya; just give me some time, ok?

WISN has the clock up. Get ready to see what Albee has to say about the alternates.

Thanks! I found the list. The order of it didn't give me what I had hoped to learn. But at least I can stop wondering

Thanks again!

[kellabeck]

Albee spoke to the lawyer of Steve Avery. That judge had held a few jurors, one was lost at delibs and an alternate substituted.

[girlfriday]

I was looking through the videos and I can't find it. I will keep looking until court resumes...

Thanks! I found the list over at the other forum (I just searched for John Joseph)

[kindee]

I remember as you do. It was emphasized in her rebuttal testimony. She said she looked at a sample under a microscope and found no evidence of a fatty liver.



nope. NO fatty liver. So that shoots the single dose theory out the window yet AGAIN.

Mornin' peeps! :mornincoffee: Let's get that jury clock tickin'!!!

[KellBell]

They need to change the statute if you ask me. This is stupid.

[texaslinda]

Morning! What happened? Nothing on WISN? Has it gone to the jury yet?

[lovelaw]

There is nothing good to say about that statute! WI law needs to change!~ JMO

[andersson33]

So he's going to keep all 7?

What's the argument about, then?

[sciencegirl]

Thanks! I found the list. The order of it didn't give me what I had hoped to learn. But at least I can stop wondering

Thanks again!

Great news girlfriday - Glad you found what you are looking for.

[KellBell]

YEAH JUDGE!! Keep them all!!!

[kellabeck]

"Guessing at how things will be in the future."

Albee is agreeing to holding back a few juors. Jambois is amenable. Judge is saying that his choice is to let them all go --- or wait. He is keeping all 7. Why not? he says. They've seen it all. If I were one of the 7, he says, he'd rather sit with the 6 others than alone.

Albee wonders if they will talk about the case. Judge says no more than before.

[kindee]

Can't the judge just order alternates to stay??? This seems like they are making a big deal out of a no brainer but I am just a watcher.



KellBell love the Dobie! :love0085:


So albee is doing what? Setting up another mistrial motion? ALL trials have alternates dismissed. What does he want???????

[lovelaw]

nope. NO fatty liver. So that shoots the single dose theory out the window yet AGAIN.

Mornin' peeps! :mornincoffee: Let's get that jury clock tickin'!!!



:girl_haha:

YES! Let's get ticking!~:hifive:

[sciencegirl]

Morning! What happened? Nothing on WISN? Has it gone to the jury yet?

Try this link. We are live

http://www.wisn.com/video/14992953/detail.html

[KellBell]

Oh Albee shut up, just because they are together doesn't mean they will talk about the case, just instruct them not to talk, they have been together for the last 7 weeks... grrr Albee try try try, fight fight fight till it is over... which I hope will be soon.

[SummerMadness]

nope. NO fatty liver. So that shoots the single dose theory out the window yet AGAIN.

Mornin' peeps! :mornincoffee: Let's get that jury clock tickin'!!!

:mornincoffee:ALL

I am worried about the "the fly in the ointment" aka-the engineer.

[bambam]

jam only wants to keep 2!

[kindee]

Looks like all the videos from yesterday are up. I am rewatching the states rebuttal closing again.




Where is jambois' rebuttal closing? TIA anyone---

[sciencegirl]

KellBell love the Dobie! :love0085:


So albee is doing what? Setting up another mistrial motion? ALL trials have alternates dismissed. What does he want???????

The law in WI says that all alternates are to be dismissed. The judge doesn't want to do it in case someone gets sick, etc. Albee wants them all dismissed; so a mistrial would be called if someone had to be excused.

[kellabeck]

Wisconsin posters--- perhaps contacting your state reps to change that statute is in order. I have never ever heard of any case where alternates are not held during delibs esp. in a long case where delibs might be protracted. That is sooooo stupid.

[kindee]

:mornincoffee:ALL

I am worried about the "the fly in the ointment" aka-the engineer.



Didn't he say there were TWO of them in the pool? :shock:


WHY does that seem to happen? :sad0119:

[andersson33]

Albee: get rid of all of them. I know why he wants that.
Jambois: keep two. 2 is enough.
Judge: keep all.

I think this argument is silly.

[IfIMay]

Where is jambois' rebuttal closing? TIA anyone---

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=realitycanbeevil&search_type=

in segments.

[lovelaw]

This is one thoughtful Judge!~

[kellabeck]

Judge saying that he will send them home with instructions not to talk, and CALL them if needed!! OMG! That is not a good idea!!

[lovelaw]

Wisconsin posters--- perhaps contacting your state reps to change that statute is in order. I have never ever heard of any case where alternates are not held during delibs esp. in a long case where delibs might be protracted. That is sooooo stupid.



:zm10:

[sciencegirl]

Where is jambois' rebuttal closing? TIA anyone---

There's an entire thread Kindee. He was magnificant in his rebuttal. Videos are all there on the thread.

[bambam]

what? he was gonna keep em all-- now he's sending them home? oh but they can't talk about the case. so that means he's keeping them- but letting them go home??

[texaslinda]

Try this link. We are live

http://www.wisn.com/video/14992953/detail.html

Thank you thank you thank you!!!! Couldn't find it anywhere!!!

[shortcake]

Don't send them home. You know they'll be exposed to media and God knows what else. We'll definitely end up with accusations of jury misconduct should something come up later. Keep all 7 and give them board games.

[mitch]

good morning everyone. i see the judge is going to keep all seven alternates.

i hope this jury comes back quickly.

[kindee]

:girl_haha:

YES! Let's get ticking!~:hifive:


Move that clock with precision
Til we get a decision!

:basic44::basic44::basic44:

[kellabeck]

Didn't he say there were TWO of them in the pool? :shock:


WHY does that seem to happen? :sad0119:

there's an "engineering tech"-- dunno what that is. and "an engineer" in the 19. Fingers crossed they are in the 7.

[lovelaw]

Judge saying that he will send them home with instructions not to talk, and CALL them if needed!! OMG! That is not a good idea!!

I AGREE!! BAD IDEA!~

[KellBell]

KellBell love the Dobie! :love0085:


So albee is doing what? Setting up another mistrial motion? ALL trials have alternates dismissed. What does he want???????

Thanks!

[Bernie]

Wisconsin posters--- perhaps contacting your state reps to change that statute is in order. I have never ever heard of any case where alternates are not held during delibs esp. in a long case where delibs might be protracted. That is sooooo stupid.

It is stupid..like the judge I am writting my representitive.....Defense is praying for a mistrial :shock: :howdy:

[lost indie]

Thanks! I found the list. The order of it didn't give me what I had hoped to learn. But at least I can stop wondering

Thanks again!

What were you looking for...

now I'm curious...

:0012:

[kindee]

There's an entire thread Kindee. He was magnificant in his rebuttal. Videos are all there on the thread.




Thanks! When I checked late last night all was up but that one.

Thanks all for gathering and posting the videos. Love it love it love it!!!!!

[kellabeck]

Judge Seesaw rules and is keeping all 7!!!

Yikes! I need dramamine when he is ruling!!

[bigkitty]

I have to go everybody.:girl_sad: I love my son, but dangit he hogs the computer when he's home. He walks around behind me like a shark until I give it up.

For Julie, her boys, her brothers and all the Griffin family and friends!:1222423::1222423::1222423:

[SummerMadness]

Didn't he say there were TWO of them in the pool? :shock:


WHY does that seem to happen? :sad0119:

TWO??!!! I heard one, and immediately had Spector dry heaves.
I bet the engineer was an Albee pick.

[KellBell]

Don't send them home. You know they'll be exposed to media and God knows what else. We'll definitely end up with accusations of jury misconduct should something come up later. Keep all 7 and give them board games.


Yeah, monopoly and a deck of cards and maybe some poker chips. :basic44:

[shortcake]

Where is jambois' rebuttal closing? TIA anyone---

all the videos are posted on here under a thread entitled as Jambois Closing Arguments (something like that anyway)

[lost indie]

It is stupid..like the judge I am writting my representitive.....Defense is praying for a mistrial :shock: :howdy:

I thought I saw mark smile....

but it might have been gas...

[johnielee333]

jam only wants to keep 2!

bambam, where did you get your avatar ? i love jimi hendrix !

[kellabeck]

Turn off the mics so we don't hear the names, Judge!!

[KellBell]

I have to go everybody.:girl_sad: I love my son, but dangit he hogs the computer when he's home. He walks around behind me like a shark until I give it up.

For Julie, her boys, her brothers and all the Griffin family and friends!:1222423::1222423::1222423:


Keep an eye on CNN or TruTV. I am betting on a verdict before 5 today...

[andersson33]

Can they deliberate into the evening?

[kindee]

Thanks!




HAd me a Dobie, Damien. He was too smart for his own good but man was he fun and funny. I miss the heck out of that dog.

I feel so bad for the alternates who get sent home. Can you imagine? I'd REALLLLY want to stick around to have my say in THIS one.

[sciencegirl]

Thanks! When I checked late last night all was up but that one.

Thanks all for gathering and posting the videos. Love it love it love it!!!!!

Kindee; I'm not trying to rub this in; but dang; I wish you could have been here yesterday afternoon. It was so emotional

[lovelaw]

Move that clock with precision
Til we get a decision!

:basic44::basic44::basic44:

Tick Tock
Mark's head is on the block!~

:basic44:

[need2no]

I thought I saw mark smile....

but it might have been gas...



:girl_haha:

[sciencegirl]

Tick Tock
Mark's head is on the block!~

:basic44:

Albee looks like he could puke; doesn't he.

[lovelaw]

Kindee; I'm not trying to rub this in; but dang; I wish you could have been here yesterday afternoon. It was so emotional

IT WAS FANTASTIC!~ :hifive:

Plus....we just MISSED ya Kindee!~:girl_sad:

[KellBell]

I thought I saw mark smile....

but it might have been gas...

:girl_haha:

If so he has had alot of beans in jail... He has gas more than anyone I know...:a1chic:

[kindee]

Kindee; I'm not trying to rub this in; but dang; I wish you could have been here yesterday afternoon. It was so emotional




I KNEW that the minute I left it would get gooooooooood. So you can thank ME for leaving. Also, since my mammo is tomorrow morning, the verdict will come in THEN. Miss Kindee predicts.

I knew he had it in him. I'm THRILLEd he pulled it out even if I had to miss it.

:eyebrow1qb:

[shortcake]

I thought the computer was to shuffle the names and decide who went and who stayed. What's with drawing them out of a box?

[girlfriday]

Did anyone here Patrick Griffins music? BEAUTIFUL!!!

[andersson33]

Turn off the mics so we don't hear the names, Judge!!

Don't they do numbers?

[lovelaw]

HAd me a Dobie, Damien. He was too smart for his own good but man was he fun and funny. I miss the heck out of that dog.

I feel so bad for the alternates who get sent home. Can you imagine? I'd REALLLLY want to stick around to have my say in THIS one.


Me too!! I'd HATE to leave after all of this!~ No, no!! I won't go!~

[lovelaw]

Albee looks like he could puke; doesn't he.

A-YEP!~

[SummerMadness]

HAd me a Dobie, Damien. He was too smart for his own good but man was he fun and funny. I miss the heck out of that dog.

I feel so bad for the alternates who get sent home. Can you imagine? I'd REALLLLY want to stick around to have my say in THIS one.

Do you still have Bad Larry? Why was he bad?:71526:

[jcc]

And Mr Jambois laid it out for them yesterday: it's either murder and cover up or a suicide and frame up.



Good morning everyone!

I agree... Mr. Jambois did a fabulous job. I think it could be a short deliberation because he laid it all out there so nicely for them. They'll review his list, and review Albee's list.... and within the context of choices Jambois suggests... I have faith they will see murder and a cover up.

It is really so obvious, isn't it?

[bigkitty]

Keep an eye on CNN or TruTV. I am betting on a verdict before 5 today...


I hope so Kellbell. The right one.

Have a great day everybody.:)

[KellBell]

Did anyone here Patrick Griffins music? BEAUTIFUL!!!

No but I would LOVE to, do you have a link??

[sciencegirl]

I love it. Two forms. Guilty and Not Guilty. No lessers; nothing.

[kindee]

IT WAS FANTASTIC!~ :hifive:

Plus....we just MISSED ya Kindee!~:girl_sad:




I stuck around an hour longer than I should have anyway---so you thought it was as slammin' as everybody else lovelaw? I'm :francis: even IF I missed it. When deliberations start I'll watch the whole thing.

No engineers!
No engineers!
No engineers!

[bambam]

bambam, where did you get your avatar ? i love jimi hendrix !

omg i'm a jimi freak from he!! i be lovin me lots of jimi!! i've tons of jimi pics that i got off the web. just google images of jimi-- he was photographed sooo much, there's alot to choose from! this is my second one i've posted, you musta missed the first one!

sorry for the little OT folks...... back to verdict watch!:grin:

[sciencegirl]

Oh God; I hope the engineer tech is an alternate. Hopefully; Jean will be able to tell us soon.

[sciencegirl]

I stuck around an hour longer than I should have anyway---so you thought it was as slammin' as everybody else lovelaw? I'm :francis: even IF I missed it. When deliberations start I'll watch the whole thing.

No engineers!
No engineers!
No engineers!

Yes Kindee; we have an engineer tech. :1187603408.CR.Mothe Oh; maybe you meant as a deliberating juror. Sorry.

[mitch]

this is the craziest thing i have ever seen.

[SummerMadness]

I love it. Two forms. Guilty and Not Guilty. No lessers; nothing.


There are no lessers?

[kindee]

Do you still have Bad Larry? Why was he bad?:71526:




Oh yes I do! Why is he bad? He was born bad. But really, somebody spoiled that cat. When I find out who, I'm gonna :71541:...myself.

:girl_haha:


Are we going to know who is left on this jury? Oh, please, no engineers I'm BEGGIN' ya!!!!!!:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[kellabeck]

The numbers of the 7 spares: 3108 648 1188 4104 2089 4806 3088

Aren't they gonna swear in the bailiffs???

[kindee]

Yes Kindee; we have an engineer tech. :1187603408.CR.Mothe Oh; maybe you meant as a deliberating juror. Sorry.



Yes, I meant do NOT pick his/her name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course the engineer(s) made the cut. You all KNOW it.

[sciencegirl]

There are no lessers?

Nope. It's either Guilty or Not Guilty of First Degree Murder.

[sciencegirl]

Yes, I meant do NOT pick his/her name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course the engineer(s) made the cut. You all KNOW it.

Hopefully; Jean will update us soon.

[andersson33]

Jensen's pouting.

[SummerMadness]

Nope. It's either Guilty or Not Guilty of First Degree Murder.


Good!!

[girlfriday]

What were you looking for...

now I'm curious...

:0012:

I was hoping the order of the names would give some clue as to the time frame of the encounters to look at the list relative to her relationship with Mark - but I couldn't make any conclusion based on the bits of information we have.

[kellabeck]

I thought the computer was to shuffle the names and decide who went and who stayed. What's with drawing them out of a box?

They are very low tech out there. And yes, didn't they say the computer would shuffle them??

Ah! He is swearing in the bailiffs!!!!

[KellBell]

Oh God; I hope the engineer tech is an alternate. Hopefully; Jean will be able to tell us soon.


I have a premenition that 4806 was the engineer....

[sciencegirl]

Game On!!!!!:s1gyahoo: Start time: 8:53

[SummerMadness]

Jensen's pouting.


He was grinning like an idiot before.

[bambam]

I have a premenition that 4086 was the engineer....

:shock:really??? why??

[johnielee333]

omg i'm a jimi freak from he!! i be lovin me lots of jimi!! i've tons of jimi pics that i got off the web. just google images of jimi-- he was photographed sooo much, there's alot to choose from! this is my second one i've posted, you musta missed the first one!

sorry for the little OT folks...... back to verdict watch!:grin:

i saw your first one too just didnt get around to telling you i liked it. jimi was great ! i wish i would of been old enough to go see him in person. thanks for the info.

Mark is guilty !

[kellabeck]

Jambois is asking about how close he has to stay --- Judge says 20 minutes away. And RJ wants to go to Madison to vote. PRIMARY DAY in Wisconsin today!!

[SummerMadness]

7 women 5 men- dead man walking...

[need2no]

HAd me a Dobie, Damien. He was too smart for his own good but man was he fun and funny. I miss the heck out of that dog.

I feel so bad for the alternates who get sent home. Can you imagine? I'd REALLLLY want to stick around to have my say in THIS one.


A few years ago as an alternate I sat through a malpractice hearing for a week. When this case went to the jury for deliberations I was sent back to work and had to provide at least two phone numbers where I could be contacted if something happened to one of the jurors and I needed to replace him/her. I found this experience to be annoying, frustrating and even somewhat stressful as I wanted my say in the outcome of this case, or at the very least to be there for the verdict, especially after sitting through the hearing for a week.

I didn't learn the verdict until months later when I ran into one of the jurors at a gas station and asked her about the outcome of the case. BTW-I wasn't happy with the verdict. :girl_sad:

I can't imagine if I had sat through this case and then was not allowed to be involved in the deliberations. Arghhh...

[sciencegirl]

7 women 5 men- dead man walking...

Where'd you hear that summer?? I was so hoping for more women.

[SummerMadness]

Oh yes I do! Why is he bad? He was born bad. But really, somebody spoiled that cat. When I find out who, I'm gonna :71541:...myself.

:girl_haha:


Are we going to know who is left on this jury? Oh, please, no engineers I'm BEGGIN' ya!!!!!!:1187603408.CR.Mothe


You know what they say Kindee- Dogs have owners, cats have staff.

[Shotzie]

:mornincoffee: It's 6:49 out here in Ca..but I am up..What did I miss?
Jambois was fanatiic yesterday so hopefully the jurors listened Good..
GUILTY GUI:LTY GUILTY

R.I.P. JULIE :1222423: JUSTICE WILL BE DONE.

[lovelaw]

Game On!!!!!:s1gyahoo: Start time: 8:53

AND AWAAAAAAAAAAAAY WE GO!!

Only 20 minutes lead time to get to court for the parties!! WOW!~

[KellBell]

:shock:really??? why??


Cuz I am weird like that, don't think I am crazy but I get a weird feeling sometimes about stuff, most of the time I am right but sometimes not. So I like to test myself, so I put it out there and we will see if I am right.

[SummerMadness]

Where'd you hear that summer?? I was so hoping for more women.

On Bloom and Politan, Jean said it.

[girlfriday]

No but I would LOVE to, do you have a link??

http://web.mac.com/grifmusic/iWeb/Julie/Music.html

[sciencegirl]

On Bloom and Politan, Jean said it.

Thanks so much; I missed it.

[kellabeck]

First thing, the jury explodes with the relief of being released from the admonition of not talking!! Laughter is sometimes heard from the jury room. There first task is to select a foreperson.

Let's hope they choose wisely b/c that choice can affect the delibs if not the outcome.

They have gotten to know each other over 6 weeks -- and I just thought of LauraLee and her brother. Is he on the jury?? --- and they should know which personality is the one to be the foreperson.

The bad ones have been the big big big notetakers. The MD/JD on Peterson, the engineer on Spector. Both of those were like court reporters creating their own TSs. They were HORRIBLE forepersons!!

The best ones are the middle children. The negotiators, the facilitators who are good at talking to both sides and getting delibs on track. That's who is best picked.

Ooh, Marky looks happy. Does he think he's going home soon?

[lost indie]

On Bloom and Politan, Jean said it.

The up-side is that men seem way more weirded out about Mark's penis obsession.

[jcc]

Jensen's pouting.

and now he's laughing.... and soon will be crying.

[SummerMadness]

Thanks so much; I missed it.

No problem, I'm still wating to hear if the engineer made it. Hope not.

[bambam]

Cuz I am weird like that, don't think I am crazy but I get a weird feeling sometimes about stuff, most of the time I am right but sometimes not. So I like to test myself, so I put it out there and we will see if I am right.

no offense...but i hope your powers are off right now and you are wrong!! lol omg! jensen sitting there and laughing his head off about something! yeah, go ahead and laugh now buddy-- you won't be laughing when they read the big GUILTY verdict!!:lex_10:

[kindee]

I like Jean a lot, but she seems to have gotten a lot wrong in this trial. She needs to check her sources cause it sounds like she's only talking to Albee.




She is presenting the defense caca as facts when she reports, and then acts like they are viable and supported. I know she is supposed to try and present both sides of the case but if you just watched her you would think the defense claims were FACTS.

[KellBell]

HAd me a Dobie, Damien. He was too smart for his own good but man was he fun and funny. I miss the heck out of that dog.

I feel so bad for the alternates who get sent home. Can you imagine? I'd REALLLLY want to stick around to have my say in THIS one.

He is a mutt, I don't know what he is except we think his mom might be a border collie mix. My sister had dobermans, those were awesome dogs. You couldn't ask for a better watch dog but so loving with the family and kids.

[RayStar]

Judge's mid-section reminded me of Alfred Hitchcock when he stood up. LOL

[KellBell]

So forgive the newbie in me, what are they still doing in the courtroom? Are they going to just stay there?

[tbrito1]

MJ's smirk iritates the hell outta me!!!

Jurors are making a list of evidence that they want to see.....

[andersson33]

He is a mutt, I don't know what he is except we think his mom might be a border collie mix. My sister had dobermans, those were awesome dogs. You couldn't ask for a better watch dog but so loving with the family and kids.

I thought you were talking about MJ. LOL.

[lovelaw]

WOW! Bailiff says jury is making a list of evidence they want ALREADY!! They are raring to go!~

[shortcake]

Jambois is asking about how close he has to stay --- Judge says 20 minutes away. And RJ wants to go to Madison to vote. PRIMARY DAY in Wisconsin today!!He should have done an absentee ballot when he knew this case was coming. Didn't they originally plan for 8 wks in this trial? I'm glad the judge told him he could leave at 5. Can you imagine the verdict coming in, but Jambois being 90 min away? We'd all be :basic45: :basic44: :francis: :innocent0001:

[kindee]

no offense...but i hope your powers are off right now and you are wrong!! lol omg! jensen sitting there and laughing his head off about something! yeah, go ahead and laugh now buddy-- you won't be laughing when they read the big GUILTY verdict!!:lex_10:



If I were that woman I'd move away a little further to tell you the truth.

Did you get some sleep Bam?

Oh, they have to give up the courtroom!!! :1187603408.CR.Mothe

jury clock started at 8:52 a.m. or so. Hope the TruTV people keep the clock up all day but they haven't been doing that much.

[tbrito1]

WOW! Bailiff says jury is making a list of evidence they want ALREADY!! They are raring to go!~

you owe me a glass of wine Lovelaw!!!:zm10:

[SummerMadness]

The up-side is that men seem way more weirded out about Mark's penis obsession.


Hopefully none of the men in the jury has a penis obsession or a nick name for their member.

[sciencegirl]

If we don't have a verdict before 2:00; please keep checking this news site for a verdict and let us all know.

http://www.wisn.com/index.html

[kellabeck]

Good morning everyone!

I agree... Mr. Jambois did a fabulous job. I think it could be a short deliberation because he laid it all out there so nicely for them. They'll review his list, and review Albee's list.... and within the context of choices Jambois suggests... I have faith they will see murder and a cover up.

It is really so obvious, isn't it?

ITA!

The jury is asking for a list of the evidence.

We can make a list of the facts for which there is no innocent explanation.

I'll start:
11 days after Julie's death and his computer was seized, MJ told Dr Borman that "Julie called for the Nicotrol."

[kindee]

He is a mutt, I don't know what he is except we think his mom might be a border collie mix. My sister had dobermans, those were awesome dogs. You couldn't ask for a better watch dog but so loving with the family and kids.




Well his head looks all Doberman. And he's adorable. :love0085:

[KellBell]

no offense...but i hope your powers are off right now and you are wrong!! lol omg! jensen sitting there and laughing his head off about something! yeah, go ahead and laugh now buddy-- you won't be laughing when they read the big GUILTY verdict!!:lex_10:


No, I think he was struck. I don't think the engineer is deliberating. Sorry if that came out wrong.

3108,1188,648,4104,2089,4806,3088....not going in.

premenition...4806 is the engineer.

[andersson33]

So forgive the newbie in me, what are they still doing in the courtroom? Are they going to just stay there?

Nope. Someone else is moving in, to use it.
They'll have to wait elsewhere. Like their "offices" or -- where does Jensen go? Do they have a holding cell?

[tbrito1]

If I were that woman I'd move away a little further to tell you the truth.

Did you get some sleep Bam?

Oh, they have to give up the courtroom!!! :1187603408.CR.Mothe

jury clock started at 8:52 a.m. or so. Hope the TruTV people keep the clock up all day but they haven't been doing that much.

Trutv hasn't been doing much of anything lately. I would love to know if their ratings went up or down since the transition...

[sciencegirl]

WOW! Bailiff says jury is making a list of evidence they want ALREADY!! They are raring to go!~

Crud; I missed that too. They sure picked a forum fast; didn't they?

[kellabeck]

Another fact for which there is no innocent explanation:

MJ asked for Ambien for his constantly sleeping wife.

[andersson33]

Ya hay!
Wisconsin jurors get started right away.

We could have a verdict this afternoon. That wouldn't be out of line.

[Cornblossom]

7 women 5 men on jury and have already gave list of evidence they want...so sayeth jean:mornincoffee:

[KellBell]

I thought you were talking about MJ. LOL.

:67302:

[vintage_rose]

Good morning everyone!
Today's the day! I wanted to pass along the information that Julie's brother posted an additional picture of Julie on their website under PHOTOS. It's a nice black and white photo of her on a swing, probably when she was about 16. I hope more people will send in photos of her. www.oursisterjulie.com

[jcc]

I'm hoping that WISN just keeps the clock up all day... and I will keep the volume up... and hopefully will hear if anything happens. Too bad we can't all register for text message alerts on the this!

[SummerMadness]

ITA!

The jury is asking for a list of the evidence.

We can make a list of the facts for which there is no innocent explanation.

I'll start:
11 days after Julie's death and his computer was seized, MJ told Dr Borman that "Julie called for the Nicotrol."


Why would she double erase the computer searches if she is trying to frame Mark? on the day she can barely speak or walk?

[KellBell]

Crud; I missed that too. They sure picked a forum fast; didn't they?

My guess is after spending 7 weeks together you can kind of "feel" who the leader will be.

[gramvof14]

No problem, I'm still wating to hear if the engineer made it. Hope not.
Hi Summer they already made a list of what evidence they want in that room.wow they work fast.:)

[andersson33]

7 women 5 men on jury and have already gave list of evidence they want...so sayeth jean:mornincoffee:

Good morning corny! What's your guess as to length of deliberations? I know it's early but....

[girlfriday]

Good morning everyone!
Today's the day! I wanted to pass along the information that Julie's brother posted an additional picture of Julie on their website under PHOTOS. It's a nice black and white photo of her on a swing, probably when she was about 16. I hope more people will send in photos of her. www.oursisterjulie.com

Did you hear the music they made in her honor? I really like it!

[sciencegirl]

I'm hoping that WISN just keeps the clock up all day... and I will keep the volume up... and hopefully will hear if anything happens. Too bad we can't all register for text message alerts on the this!

The judge said there is another Judge coming into that courtroom. So, I'm thinking we have to rely on TTV or Wis. news site.

[shortcake]

7 women 5 men on jury and have already gave list of evidence they want...so sayeth jean:mornincoffee:

sounds like a good mix, just wonder what their occupations are!

Mornin to ya, Corn!

[kellabeck]

Another NO INNOCENT EXPLANATION FACT:

The incriminating searches were double deleted when JJ was laid up in bed and dying. MJ could have done it and had the motive. JJ could not have done it and had no motive.

[vintage_rose]

Did you hear the music they made in her honor? I really like it!

Yes I did! I'm going to get a copy of the CD when it's available.

[SummerMadness]

Hi Summer they already made a list of what evidence they want in that room.wow they work fast.:)

Morning grammy- Yes, that was fast.
I wanted them to take a vote and have it be unanimous GUILTY in the first 5 minutes. Can you guess what the first word out of Albee's mouth would be?

[DeeJay]

Why don't they let us watch the next court case? :girl_haha: The clock's still up. :love0085:

They just need to turn the mics back on & let us watch while we're waiting on a verdict. :girl_haha:

[andersson33]

Time to shower. I rolled out of bed and stumbled into the office--but I need a shower to wake up.

I trust the jury won't come back before I get back. lol.

[JoolzRoolz]

Morning grammy- Yes, that was fast.
I wanted them to take a vote and have it be unanimous GUILTY in the first 5 minutes. Can you guess what the first word out of Albee's mouth would be?

Mistrial!

[tbrito1]

thank you vintage rose.

You know, after looking at all of the pictures, there seemed to be many happy times and makes you wonder how a family with so many happy times goes so wrong. You see all of the smiles and it just doesn't make sense to me. life is strange I tell ya!!! JMO:1187603408.CR.Mothe