Jensen Verdict Watch Feb 20 Morning

[Alibar]

I'm probably not here when first person arrives. I hope by the time I am up and about, the verdict of GUILTY will have been brought in!

Good morning, everyone! :) :) :)

[kellabeck]

From your keyboard to God'd ears, alibar!
Good morning!
I hope today is the day! JUSTICE FOR JULIE!

The clock is around 14 hours 7 minutes.

The jury is being thorough and they are talking. That they went late said "progress" to me rather than "deadlock." Had they been at loggerheads they might have quit and gone home to regroup and start fresh today. That they instead continued lends credence to the hope that they thought they were relatively close.

I can't wait to see the smirk wiped off Jensen's ugly puss.

[mosaic]

Hee Hee.. I'm off to bed, ladies. Just thought I'd take the opportunity to post in an AM thread for a change.

I'll be back if there is a verdict- I'm gonna leave my laptop runnng with the live feed window and the volume up. Hopefully it'll wake me up. Man, I'm gonna be a grumpus tomorrow. :) Errr, today!

I hope you're right, kell. That sounds logical to me. I mean, if there is some wingnut you would think everyone else would have a headache long before 14hrs!

See you later...

[kellabeck]

Just reading through the thread that went on without me last night and I read so much anxiety and even despair.

Given recent mistrials for obviously guilty defendants, I understand the anxiety as we worry about the possible wingnut who might hold out and cause a hung jury. I have long acknowledged that is possible.

But peeps have been talking about an acquittal! And I just have to try to talk them down off the ceiling and reiterate my utter conviction -- ahem -- that that is just NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

The worst that could happen here is a mistrial, Mark would remain in custody and then there would be a retrial. No trips home to celebrate in the driveway with Kelly humping his leg. He is not Phil Spector.

And we do not know what they are talking about back there. But you have to know that there are not TWELVE wingnuts ignoring this Everest of evidence! One or two, perhaps. Not all of them.

And where is the evidence to support the LUDICROUS defense of Suicide and Frame Up? Any scrap came out of the mouth of a Jensen or a paid Jensen hack.

EVERYTHING else points to Murder and Cover Up and Mark as the perp.

Yesterday I was trying to create a list of all the facts that have NO innocent explanation. The defense cannot get around these:

Mark did not call 911 despite her condition, despite the doctor, his son, his coworker's advice.

How can that be consistent with anything but GUILT?

Mark called the doctor 11 days after JJ died (and his PC was seized) to say "J asked for the nicotrol."

Why would an innocent man do that?? He would not.

Julie was DYING on Thursday morning. We know that b/c she DIED! And yet the defense wants the jury to believe she crawled out of bed to double delete the incriminating internet searches with which she was using to frame her innocent hubby.

Only one person had a motive to double delete those searches. Mark.

I could go on. Everywhere you turn, there is INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE. It is everywhere including from the mouths of defense witnesses.

What the jury requested last night from Dr Borman's notes was his instruction to Mark to take Julie to the ER if she deteriorated. Did he? No.

And let's not forget. SHE DID NOT SMOTHER HERSELF.

His guilt is so plain to us. It will be to the jury. I feel more confident than I did during the very nerve-wracking Scott Peterson deliberations where we didn't have a camera in the courtroom. And there were juror substitutions, and let's not forget Justin Wingnut to make everyone crazy. And yet they saw reason. And it wasn't that hard for them once they got rid of the JD/MD.

Take heart. Have faith. The jury is prolly more like us than not. And you can be sure that there are at least --- AT LEAST -- 8 or 9 of us on that panel judging a very guilty and DETESTABLE man. They will remind the minority that they are to search for the TRUTH not a doubt.

And we KNOW the truth. Soon will come the reckoning.

[Roamer]

I've only been following this trial through your threads here, but IMO I don't see how anyone with common sense could find him anything but guilty.

[kellabeck]

Of course you are right, roamer. There is nothing to point to innocence, just smoke and mirrors to try to obscure the incriminating evidence.

With such a long trial and so much media attention about one of the biggest decisions in one's life a person is forced to make-- we cannot begrudge them the time to do it right and to their satisfaction. To know in their hearts they deliberated fully and fairly.

We forget because we have been deliberating now for 7 weeks, since the beginning. They were not given that luxury. They have only had 14 hours to talk about it.

Yes, we are concerned about mistrial. But do you think these regular folks in dairyland, salt of the earth types, are gonna go for "Julie killed herself and set Mark up" piffle? No way!

[IfIMay]

Anybody know when they will start this morning. I collasped last night before they did. I'm with you, Kella. It's only day 1. How many days was the Michael Peterson jury out? They had a lot of piffle to work through (although I couldn't see it), but they came back with the right and just verdict.

[kellabeck]

I think 9:30 central.

[kellabeck]

I am struck by something Jambois wisely told the jury-- in order to believe the defense they would have to believe that Julie was not only depressed enough to commit suicide, she was VINDICTIVE enough to frame her innocent husband and orphaned her young sons.

That is just not believable. There is no evidence to support that at all.

[CopperDog]

Good Morning All,:happy0207: I had my grandsons for a week so didn't get a chance to post. Had some time read what you were saying and that's it.

Have to say this jury is dedicated, Wow!!!

Also had never seen this done with jurors, this totally confuses me, what is the point in having alternates the whole time, only to release them when deliberations start?

I'm still saying they will come back with a Guilty.

[IfIMay]

Must have been a serious Defense Attorney lobby in WI to get that law passed. It makes no sense to release the alternates...but most defense attorneys don't make sense either.

Maybe they slept on a verdict last night. I still think they are close because of the late hour. If you had a deep valley to overcome, why would you stay and fight until 11 at night when you know you can just start again the next morning?

[IfIMay]

Hiya Copper! Hope you had fun with the grandsons. We had to listen to Albee's paid hacks. YIKES!

[CopperDog]

Hiya Copper! Hope you had fun with the grandsons. We had to listen to Albee's paid hacks. YIKES!

Had a great time they are 3 and 5, was so cold here they couldn't go outside, so we stayed in. To say the least they have lots of energy.

Heard bits and pieces of Albee, glad I didn't have to suffer like the rest of you did.

[IfIMay]

I remember when my niece and nephew were those ages, and yep...energy to spare. They grow so fast! My nephew's a freshman in college this year.

I'm ready for a verdict. I have no doubt that when we do, it will be guilty.

[CopperDog]

I remember when my niece and nephew were those ages, and yep...energy to spare. They grow so fast! My nephew's a freshman in college this year.

I'm ready for a verdict. I have no doubt that when we do, it will be guilty.

Going to run to the store, want to be back before the jury is.
Keep my seat for me.:)

[cavimom]

Good Morning Everyone :happy0207:
LQQKing forward to a GUILTY verdict today! :girl_haha::basic45:

[cavimom]

I am struck by something Jambois wisely told the jury-- in order to believe the defense they would have to believe that Julie was not only depressed enough to commit suicide, she was VINDICTIVE enough to frame her innocent husband and orphaned her young sons.

That is just not believable. There is no evidence to support that at all.

Good morning Kell... Lets just HOPE this comment sticks in the mind of the Jurors!:innocent0001:

[IfIMay]

question - can the dismissed alternates talk to media now? I'd sure love to hear what they thought of the case and having to sit in a room until 11:00 last night only to be dismissed.

[cavimom]

question - can the dismissed alternates talk to media now? I'd sure love to hear what they thought of the case and having to sit in a room until 11:00 last night only to be dismissed.

No not until there is a verdict.. per JS :basic45:

Also I am confused here.. ALL 19 jurors including the alternates were called back today!

[kellabeck]

Iffy, if I read the thread late last night, the judge decided NOT to release the alternates. He read the statute (which needs changing tout suite! What a stupid law!) and was threatening to let them go but changed his mind. Yeah. Judge Seesaw. Go figure.

Your posts this morning are very sensible, as always. Everybody calm down. It's not a long time, not really. Not when you compare it to the deliberating time we have had.

[cavimom]

Sorry to go O/T but wondering what trail WE are watching next. I want to be able to find you all after the Verdict here. Cnn website mentioned this trial, it begins today I believe..
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15339552/detail.html

Thanks in advance..~kim~

[IfIMay]

really? I fell asleep last night and missed the end of the day. Wonder why they'd have to come back if they've been dismissed. Color me confused, too, Cavi.

[IfIMay]

Iffy, if I read the thread late last night, the judge decided NOT to release the alternates. He read the statute (which needs changing tout suite! What a stupid law!) and was threatening to let them go but changed his mind. Yeah. Judge Seesaw. Go figure.

Your posts this morning are very sensible, as always. Everybody calm down. It's not a long time, not really. Not when you compare it to the deliberating time we have had.


oh. I guess I need more coffee. :mornincoffee: Thanks, Kella, for clarifying that. So he called Albee and raised him 7 alternates? Go Judge. He was pissed at him last night.

[cavimom]

really? I fell asleep last night and missed the end of the day. Wonder why they'd have to come back if they've been dismissed. Color me confused, too, Cavi.

Ya, thats the thing they were NOT dismissed... I HOPE thats not grounds for a Mistrial? You KNOW Albee will have something to say about it! :duh:

[cavimom]

oh. I guess I need more coffee. :mornincoffee: Thanks, Kella, for clarifying that. So he called Albee and raised him 7 alternates? Go Judge. He was pissed at him last night.


YES and it was MUSIC TO MY EARS :basic44:

[TigressPen]

Good morning All!! You guys are at it early after a late night! LOL

[dojewo]

Morning all, my eyes are not adjusted yet this morning. We sure have a hard working Jury, I wonder if there will be any kind of time suggestions given to them today?

[wi_twin_mom]

Morning!!!! :mornincoffee: What a night!!! I wish I could be with you guys today but I have to go into work for a sick friend. (She is the one who came to court with me.) I'm e-mailing her all the websites so she can watch and call me with any updates. Does anyone have the cnn link?? TIA

[shortcake]

Good Mornin Peeps!

Can't believe I'm gonna get to be here this a.m. when this starts again. I was supposed to be at dr. office but his office called at 8 this morn to say he's sick and so we have to reschedule. Honestly, folks I didn't pray for him to be sick. Really I dint!

Now I just have to wonder how much more will we see the fireworks fly in that courtroom today. Trying to figure this Albee out. Wouldn't common sense tell ya that disrespect doesn't get ya very far. I've just never seen anything like him.

[cavimom]

Morning!!!! :mornincoffee: What a night!!! I wish I could be with you guys today but I have to go into work for a sick friend. (She is the one who came to court with me.) I'm e-mailing her all the websites so she can watch and call me with any updates. Does anyone have the cnn link?? TIA


http://www.cnn.com/CRIME/
http://www.wisn.com/video/14992953/detail.html

[kellabeck]

Boy, Albee really brought out the pizzy puppet last night, didn't he? He and Judge shouting at each other. Mark may be smirking but Craig has the better grip on reality and he knows the only hope he has is his beloved mistrial.

The most pro-defense THs yesterday were not sanguine about Marky's hopes. That MJ is still yukking it up shows that the delusional one is and always was HIM.

[TigressPen]

Ya, thats the thing they were NOT dismissed... I HOPE thats not grounds for a Mistrial? You KNOW Albee will have something to say about it! :duh:



I sure don't understand this jury thing. The Judge said he couldn't dismiss any of them because if one of the deliberaters couldn't come to court then it'd been a mistrial. So why the thing with Albee last night and Jambois last nite about sending jurors home? I'm confused!! What if it's one of the alternates who can't make it today?

[cavimom]

I sure don't understand this jury thing. The Judge said he couldn't dismiss any of them because if one of the deliberaters couldn't come to court then it'd been a mistrial. So why the thing with Albee last night and Jambois last nite about sending jurors home? I'm confused!! What if it's one of the alternates who can't make it today? :shock:

RUH ROH, Something else to stress about.. LOL
:francis:

[kellabeck]

I went over to IS this morning just to peek around. Their poll reflects about 90% G.

And I read a couple of posts from one of the DFs claiming that part of the "exonerating evidence" is that the incriminating internet activity of Dec 2 and 3 "was not deleted" but left to be found.

And that evidence of asphyxia was never found in the autopsy.

What contortions the DFs have to do to dredge up "facts" that exonerate their skeevy little freakish hero.

And forgive me for patting myself on the back, but I am very proud of having named the formerly "NGs" with their true and just moniker: DEFENSE FANS. The term has stuck and I am delighted. Even they have embraced it which is pretty funny, actually. Shows how deluded they are not to understand the siteeation.

Let's get goin' already! I want a verdict this morning!!!

[TigressPen]

Good Mornin Peeps!

Can't believe I'm gonna get to be here this a.m. when this starts again. I was supposed to be at dr. office but his office called at 8 this morn to say he's sick and so we have to reschedule. Honestly, folks I didn't pray for him to be sick. Really I dint!







Sure you didn't!! We believe you. And Albee didn't argue get yelled at either! :67302:

Great that you get to hear fireworks from start today. :girl_haha:

[tbrito1]

:shock:

RUH ROH, Something else to stress about.. LOL
:francis:

Good morning everyone.....see that there's still no verdict!!! I have a question that I thought about last night....if this happened in 1998 why is the trial only happening now???Sorry if that's a stupid question.....

[tbrito1]

is the clock up yet? all i'm seeing is 12 news sign??

[TigressPen]

I went over to IS this morning just to peek around. Their poll reflects about 90% G.

And I read a couple of posts from one of the DFs claiming that part of the "exonerating evidence" is that the incriminating internet activity of Dec 2 and 3 "was not deleted" but left to be found.

And that evidence of asphyxia was never found in the autopsy.


Let's get goin' already! I want a verdict this morning!!!




Boy are they not paying attention!! The quick pull up on 3rd was deleted! After all those arguments over who was at computer that morning how could anyone say differently? And the evidence of smothering is in the bruising behind the neck from the pressure place on it. (Forget the name the doc called what was bruised) and the bruising on the ribs!

[tbrito1]

is the clock up yet? all i'm seeing is 12 news sign??

Hello????? Anyone here??:flirt99:

[kellabeck]

When a verdict of guilty is reached by these twelve jurors and no substitutions are needed, then there will be no grounds of appeal on the alternates.

I am wondering if maybe Judge Schroeder has consulted some colleagues. I can't imagine any of the judges like the stupid statute which ties their hands vis a vis the alternates.

He has few choices:
follow the letter of the statute and release the alternates and risk a mistrial

keep the alternates for use if any of the original jurors drop out and in the event of conviction, risk reversal on appeal

He may have decided not to tempt fate on the former and go with the latter, knowing that his decision will be reviewed and that it will prevent a mistrial for now, anyway.

And it may be that he and his fellow judges want a case to test this statute. An appeals court could look at the judge's situation and agree with his decision to keep the alternates and not guarantee a mistrial, forcing this idiotic law to be struck down.

I don't know. Just speculating.

[TigressPen]

is the clock up yet? all i'm seeing is 12 news sign??



Jury doesn't have to be there until 9:30 this morning. We have a couple hours yet. I am ready now though! :)

[tbrito1]

Jury doesn't have to be there until 9:30 this morning. We have a couple hours yet. I am ready now though! :)

oh thanks!!! :mornincoffee:

[cavimom]

Good morning everyone.....see that there's still no verdict!!! I have a question that I thought about last night....if this happened in 1998 why is the trial only happening now???Sorry if that's a stupid question.....

GM Tbrito :basic45:

Good question. IIRC It took this long to gather evidence to charge MJ in 2002 then again in 2004. It took a long time to get the toxicology reports and get the letter admitted into evidence. Also they didnt have a definative COD. When Dillard came fwd the case (getting cold). Ed Klug didnt come fwd until 2004 also. Then MJ was arrested again and did not make bail this time. I may have the dates wrong but I am close. Someone please ring in here .......... I am sure I forgot lots of stuff but here is some... :waitasec:

[dojewo]

Hello????? Anyone here??:flirt99:
No clock yet for me.

http://www.wisn.com/video/14992953/detail.html

[TigressPen]

Good morning everyone.....see that there's still no verdict!!! I have a question that I thought about last night....if this happened in 1998 why is the trial only happening now???Sorry if that's a stupid question.....



Your question isn't stupid. They suspected Mark had killed her but didn't have enough good evidence to go to jury. After Klug came forward the ball began to roll, then after they arrested him the inmates strengthened Klugs statements.

[cavimom]

No clock yet for me.

http://www.wisn.com/video/14992953/detail.html
I dont have a clock yet either.. they are not starting until 9 30 WI time today :francis:

[gramvof14]

Morning all It was a long night and the alternates were not dismissed. the way I understood it was if the judge put a time limit on the jurors and made them stop at a certain time he would have to dismiss the alternates but if the jurors said they want to quit for the night then the judge can keep the alternates and have them come back also. I hope that makes sence Albee tried to fight the judge all night he wanted the judge to give the jurors a time limit and that is when the Judge lost it with Albee and told him I am not going to have a mistrial.There fore 19 jurors will be back this morning. now I have to go feed Cody and let him out. bbl:love0085:

[kellabeck]

Good morning everyone.....see that there's still no verdict!!! I have a question that I thought about last night....if this happened in 1998 why is the trial only happening now???Sorry if that's a stupid question.....

Not a stupid question and for greater detail go to the timeline at the oursisterjulie.com website.

But the short version is that Julie was murdered in Dec. 1998. Mark was not arrested until 2002. In the years since, until last summer, he was free on bail.

Murder defendants out on bail have one goal: delay, delay, delay.

Many rulings had to be made. Court dates were set and changed. The trial did not happen--- quite a coincidence --- until Mark's butt was behind bars and delays no longer suited him.

[shortcake]

I'm firing up trutv, hoping that somehow they can explain this jury thing. If they just sit there and debate about it like they don't know what's going on, I'm gonna mute them til I see the word VERDICT IN come across the screen.

[kellabeck]

Another fact for which there is no innocent explanation:

MARK NEVER CONTACTED A DIVORCE LAWYER.

[tbrito1]

GM Tbrito :basic45:

Good question. IIRC It took this long to gather evidence to charge MJ in 2002 then again in 2004. It took a long time to get the toxicology reports and get the letter admitted into evidence. Also they didnt have a definative COD. When Dillard came fwd the case (getting cold). Ed Klug didnt come fwd until 2004 also. Then MJ was arrested again and did not make bail this time. I may have the dates wrong but I am close. Someone please ring in here .......... I am sure I forgot lots of stuff but here is some... :waitasec:

great, thanks for the explanation...I'm surprised it took soooo long. I bet ya he thought he was free as a bird for this horrible crime...

[tbrito1]

Your question isn't stupid. They suspected Mark had killed her but didn't have enough good evidence to go to jury. After Klug came forward the ball began to roll, then after they arrested him the inmates strengthened Klugs statements.

thanks tigress!!! boy, thank god Klug came forward!!!:zm10:

[shortcake]

Not a stupid question and for greater detail go to the timeline at the oursisterjulie.com website.

But the short version is that Julie was murdered in Dec. 1998. Mark was not arrested until 2002. In the years since, until last summer, he was free on bail.

Murder defendants out on bail have one goal: delay, delay, delay.

Many rulings had to be made. Court dates were set and changed. The trial did not happen--- quite a coincidence --- until Mark's butt was behind bars and delays no longer suited him.

concisely put kella. I hadn't thought about the fact that him being behind bars had an effect on the delays stopping. Good point!

[kellabeck]

Klug did not come forward until FIVE YEARS after Mark's arrest.

[twinkiesmom]

GM Tbrito :basic45:

Good question. IIRC It took this long to gather evidence to charge MJ in 2002 then again in 2004. It took a long time to get the toxicology reports and get the letter admitted into evidence. Also they didnt have a definative COD. When Dillard came fwd the case (getting cold). Ed Klug didnt come fwd until 2004 also. Then MJ was arrested again and did not make bail this time. I may have the dates wrong but I am close. Someone please ring in here .......... I am sure I forgot lots of stuff but here is some... :waitasec:

Ed Klug came forward in 2007....Mark has been in custody since last August.

The battle over admitting the letter went all the way to the Supreme Court.

There were significant Albee delays during the period while Mark was out on bail.

[shortcake]

Gotta see when in 2007 Klug came forward. Was it after Jensen was in jail? Gotta go read.

[IfIMay]

Good morning everyone.....see that there's still no verdict!!! I have a question that I thought about last night....if this happened in 1998 why is the trial only happening now???Sorry if that's a stupid question.....

mainly due to the litigation required to get Julie's letter in to evidence. They took the fight to the WI supreme court, I believe. It was hearsay, but the court ruled that if the *accuser* (Julie, in her letter) wasn't around to be confronted because of the actions of the accused, it could be introduced.

There is a timeline of events in this case at www.oursisterjulie.com. Click on timeline. It will help with all the crazy ins and outs of the case.

[shortcake]

ooo showing the showdown between albee and judge!

[twinkiesmom]

Gotta see when in 2007 Klug came forward. Was it after Jensen was in jail? Gotta go read.

It was the plot to "sit on" Klug that ended up in bond being revoked for Mark.

[kellabeck]

Gotta see when in 2007 Klug came forward. Was it after Jensen was in jail? Gotta go read.

No. I believe it was Klug's evidence which caused Mark's bail to be raised and but his kiester in the cooly.

[KellBell]

Just wanted to say Good morning to all you fine posters. I am gonna go back to page one and catch up with you all in a few minutes. I had to get 2 diet cokes ready this morning, I am beat after that long night. Praying for a verdit by noon!

[shortcake]

can i say that lisa bloom's voice is very annoying to me?

[kellabeck]

It was the plot to "sit on" Klug that ended up in bond being revoked for Mark.

Don't think so, TM. The plot was hatched behind bars. MJ had to be in jail before he met DT and plotted to sit on EK.

[TigressPen]

oh. I guess I need more coffee. :mornincoffee: Thanks, Kella, for clarifying that. So he called Albee and raised him 7 alternates? Go Judge. He was pissed at him last night.



Yep. All 19 come back this morning and the alternates were admonished with same restrictions as the seated 12 were.

I wonder if any of the 19 took the motel/hotel gift. And will come to court wearing same clothes as last nite. Can hear it now, call home. Hon, I need you to drop off my clothes at a Hotel Jury Stay because I couldn't drive last nite. Bring undies!! :girl_haha:

[Swabby]

Good Morning Trial Junkies,

What a day we had yesterday!

I really understand why the judge is so concerned about something happening to one of the jurors. It has been apparent for a while now, that he thinks that Mark is guilty plus he knows a lot more than we do. If the Jensens' were willing to pay to have Klug "sat on", they are capable of doing about anything.

I do NOT trust Dan Jensen. I'm not so sure about Kelly at this point, but I wouldn't put it past her. She and Mark are some kind of sick and twisted soulmates. I do not believe that Albee would be involved directly, but I'm sure...for a price...he would defend them with all his heart.

I feel like $hit and I look like $hit. My eyes are still crossed. I doubt there is enough coffee in the house to fix this mess. But I am off to check anyway.

Swabby

[kellabeck]

Real Life calls me today requiring two forays out into the world. One midday for about a half hour.

The second midafternoon for about an hour and a half. With my luck, that's when the verdict will come in.

VOLUNTEER NEEDED! Someone who is going to be on hand watching and if it comes in then, give me a call on my cell? I can PM someone the number.

Oh, dear. Jean said the jurors looked tired and frustrated and upset late last night.

[PatC]

can i say that lisa bloom's voice is very annoying to me?

You certainly may. I've always felt it was too, but I guess I've finally gotten used to it now.

You guys are really at it early today. I have lots of :INhouseReading04: to do to catch up with you.

[tbrito1]

Yep. All 19 come back this morning and the alternates were admonished with same restrictions as the seated 12 were.

I wonder if any of the 19 took the motel/hotel gift. And will come to court wearing same clothes as last nite. Can hear it now, call home. Hon, I need you to drop off my clothes at a Hotel Jury Stay because I couldn't drive last nite. Bring undies!! :girl_haha:

oh and by the way, please make there clean Hon!!:girl_haha:

[tbrito1]

Real Life calls me today requiring two forays out into the world. One midday for about a half hour.

The second midafternoon for about an hour and a half. With my luck, that's when the verdict will come in.

VOLUNTEER NEEDED! Someone who is going to be on hand watching and if it comes in then, give me a call on my cell? I can PM someone the number.

Oh, dear. Jean said the jurors looked tired and frustrated and upset late last night.

I have a 10-11 meeting then a 1-2 but if you would like I can call you....

[KellBell]

Just reading through the thread that went on without me last night and I read so much anxiety and even despair.

Given recent mistrials for obviously guilty defendants, I understand the anxiety as we worry about the possible wingnut who might hold out and cause a hung jury. I have long acknowledged that is possible.

But peeps have been talking about an acquittal! And I just have to try to talk them down off the ceiling and reiterate my utter conviction -- ahem -- that that is just NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

The worst that could happen here is a mistrial, Mark would remain in custody and then there would be a retrial. No trips home to celebrate in the driveway with Kelly humping his leg. He is not Phil Spector.

And we do not know what they are talking about back there. But you have to know that there are not TWELVE wingnuts ignoring this Everest of evidence! One or two, perhaps. Not all of them.

And where is the evidence to support the LUDICROUS defense of Suicide and Frame Up? Any scrap came out of the mouth of a Jensen or a paid Jensen hack.

EVERYTHING else points to Murder and Cover Up and Mark as the perp.

Yesterday I was trying to create a list of all the facts that have NO innocent explanation. The defense cannot get around these:

Mark did not call 911 despite her condition, despite the doctor, his son, his coworker's advice.

How can that be consistent with anything but GUILT?

Mark called the doctor 11 days after JJ died (and his PC was seized) to say "J asked for the nicotrol."

Why would an innocent man do that?? He would not.

Julie was DYING on Thursday morning. We know that b/c she DIED! And yet the defense wants the jury to believe she crawled out of bed to double delete the incriminating internet searches with which she was using to frame her innocent hubby.

Only one person had a motive to double delete those searches. Mark.

I could go on. Everywhere you turn, there is INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE. It is everywhere including from the mouths of defense witnesses.

What the jury requested last night from Dr Borman's notes was his instruction to Mark to take Julie to the ER if she deteriorated. Did he? No.

And let's not forget. SHE DID NOT SMOTHER HERSELF.

His guilt is so plain to us. It will be to the jury. I feel more confident than I did during the very nerve-wracking Scott Peterson deliberations where we didn't have a camera in the courtroom. And there were juror substitutions, and let's not forget Justin Wingnut to make everyone crazy. And yet they saw reason. And it wasn't that hard for them once they got rid of the JD/MD.

Take heart. Have faith. The jury is prolly more like us than not. And you can be sure that there are at least --- AT LEAST -- 8 or 9 of us on that panel judging a very guilty and DETESTABLE man. They will remind the minority that they are to search for the TRUTH not a doubt.

And we KNOW the truth. Soon will come the reckoning.


You have awesome posts Kella, this is another one of them. I SO needed this this morning. I didn't sleep well at all, kept dreaming about the trial and well you know. I can't believe how invested I feel in this trial. Anywho, thanks for your post of reason. It helps with the anxiety.

[IfIMay]

Real Life calls me today requiring two forays out into the world. One midday for about a half hour.

The second midafternoon for about an hour and a half. With my luck, that's when the verdict will come in.

VOLUNTEER NEEDED! Someone who is going to be on hand watching and if it comes in then, give me a call on my cell? I can PM someone the number.

Oh, dear. Jean said the jurors looked tired and frustrated and upset late last night.

Jean's got quite a bit wrong. I bet they were tired. The rest..well. I'd like to hear that from someone else.

I would, Kella...but I'm at work and no guarantee I'll be at my desk. If no takers - I'll do my best. PM me in you need to.

[tbrito1]

You have awesome posts Kella, this is another one of them. I SO needed this this morning. I didn't sleep well at all, kept dreaming about the trial and well you know. I can't believe how invested I feel in this trial. Anywho, thanks for your post of reason. It helps with the anxiety.

speak of Anxiety, where's bam bam this morning...I'm sure she got about 1/2 hours sleep last night.....

[KellBell]

I am struck by something Jambois wisely told the jury-- in order to believe the defense they would have to believe that Julie was not only depressed enough to commit suicide, she was VINDICTIVE enough to frame her innocent husband and orphaned her young sons.

That is just not believable. There is no evidence to support that at all.


True, and that SO MANY people would have to be lying in this case for Mark's defense to be true.

[kindee]

Oh no...the jurors aren't going to be able to agree on a verdict imo. "tired and frustrated and upset" ain't good.

Off to my app't peeps. PLEASE take good notes!

[gramvof14]

OK I am back and have my coffee and a few ppl tried to PM me last night I am sorry my mesage box was full it is all clear now. Hope they come in today with a verdict.Morning to everyone.:love0085:

[tbrito1]

Oh no...the jurors aren't going to be able to agree on a verdict imo. "tired and frustrated and upset" ain't good.

Off to my app't peeps. PLEASE take good notes!

Drive safe Kindee!!!!:0012:

[kellabeck]

ANOTHER FACT WITH NO INNOCENT EXPLANATION:

Didn't MJ say that Julie was having trouble breathing on the 3rd and he rolled her over from her back??

[twinkiesmom]

Don't think so, TM. The plot was hatched behind bars. MJ had to be in jail before he met DT and plotted to sit on EK.

Agreed...Brain disconnected due to flu.

[tbrito1]

OK I am back and have my coffee and a few ppl tried to PM me last night I am sorry my mesage box was full it is all clear now. Hope they come in today with a verdict.Morning to everyone.:love0085:

Morning Gram, sure am tired this morning, i can't imagine how you all feel....:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[kellabeck]

I have a 10-11 meeting then a 1-2 but if you would like I can call you....

I need a phone pal on verdict watch bet. 2:30 and 4:15 pm eastern.

[TigressPen]

Oh, dear. Jean said the jurors looked tired and frustrated and upset late last night.




I think we have a holdout and that is why all the evidence is being called for. The stoic he's guilty ones is trying to drum some sense into that person or plural version. I refuse to believe it is a guilty voter holding off a NG voters!! And the NG ones are calling for the evidence to show reasonable doubt. What is reasonable for NG in it!! None!!

[sciencegirl]

Good morning all :0012:

I think I'm still in :shock: this morning and getting quite emotional. 14 hours of deliberations. Think about it. In a normal trial; that would be 2 days of deliberations already; if not more. No doubt in my mind there is a hold-out engineer!!!!

My only hope is that they reached a decision late last night and went home to sleep on it. If, when they get there, and start asking for more evidence; I think we are going to see a hung jury.:mad:

[KellBell]

Iffy, if I read the thread late last night, the judge decided NOT to release the alternates. He read the statute (which needs changing tout suite! What a stupid law!) and was threatening to let them go but changed his mind. Yeah. Judge Seesaw. Go figure.

Your posts this morning are very sensible, as always. Everybody calm down. It's not a long time, not really. Not when you compare it to the deliberating time we have had.

Yeah I DO NOT understand what happened with that. He said over and over that he is bound by the statute to dismiss them unless the attorneys stipulated (which I never heard them do) and then he kept them. It must have something to do with if he forced them to stop deliberating and go home for the day then he has to dismiss them, if they stop on their own then the alternates stay. That is the best I can come up with. Maybe we will get some clarification.

[tbrito1]

I need a phone pal on verdict watch bet. 2:30 and 4:15 pm eastern.

I leave work at 3:30 to pick up my boys and I don't get home until about 4:30 so unfortunetly, i'm not sure i can help Kella.....I'm sorry!:0001:

[tbrito1]

Good morning all :0012:

I think I'm still in :shock: this morning and getting quite emotional. 14 hours of deliberations. Think about it. In a normal trial; that would be 2 days of deliberations already; if not more. No doubt in my mind there is a hold-out engineer!!!!

My only hope is that they reached a decision late last night and went home to sleep on it. If, when they get there, and start asking for more evidence; I think we are going to see a hung jury.:mad:

There she is....:mornincoffee: sciencegirl...was very surprised this morning when i saw that there was no verdict. woke up at 5:00 am and ran to the puter but there was NOTHING...........:0doh:

[shortcake]

Question. When the police described things Mark took from the house, did you hear any mention of a picture of Julie or family pictures being taken? The only pics I remember him being concerned about were the playboy magazines with their pics.

Brain's just working in overdrive this morning.

[KellBell]

Good Mornin Peeps!

Can't believe I'm gonna get to be here this a.m. when this starts again. I was supposed to be at dr. office but his office called at 8 this morn to say he's sick and so we have to reschedule. Honestly, folks I didn't pray for him to be sick. Really I dint!

Now I just have to wonder how much more will we see the fireworks fly in that courtroom today. Trying to figure this Albee out. Wouldn't common sense tell ya that disrespect doesn't get ya very far. I've just never seen anything like him.

Really you dint??? Have you been listening to Albee again??? you shunt listen to him!!!

[IfIMay]

lol..trbito. I did the same thing. I had fallen asleep with my laptop on the bed, so I booted up first thing. Wasn't surprised by the no verdict. After that kind of day, I can imagine the emotion. I'd want to sleep on it, too.

[kellabeck]

I leave work at 3:30 to pick up my boys and I don't get home until about 4:30 so unfortunetly, i'm not sure i can help Kella.....I'm sorry!:0001:

thanks anyway, tbrito and iffy! Perhaps it won't be necessary and we will have our verdict before that.

[tbrito1]

lol..trbito. I did the same thing. I had fallen asleep with my laptop on the bed, so I booted up first thing. Wasn't surprised by the no verdict. After that kind of day, I can imagine the emotion. I'd want to sleep on it, too.

well I hope for Kella's sake (and the rest of you all) they come back with a verdict by noon......:girl_sad:

[twinkiesmom]

Really you dint??? Have you been listening to Albee again??? you shunt listen to him!!!

You know, the judge had every right to hold Albee in contempt many times now...but it would probably be a mistrial if he locked him up.

[sciencegirl]

There she is....:mornincoffee: sciencegirl...was very surprised this morning when i saw that there was no verdict. woke up at 5:00 am and ran to the puter but there was NOTHING...........:0doh:

I take this medicine that actually blunts my tears. I cannot cry. Seriously. One of the side effects. But this morning; I felt I was just going to burst into tears; then the phone rang and interuptted the first time I may have cried in 5 years. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[gramvof14]

Morning Gram, sure am tired this morning, i can't imagine how you all feel....:1187603408.CR.Mothe
Well it was about 1:00 am that I got to bed I never stay up that late so I expect to crash sooner or later.:shock:

[tbrito1]

I take this medicine that actually blunts my tears. I cannot cry. Seriously. One of the side effects. But this morning; I felt I was just going to burst into tears; then the phone rang and interuptted the first time I may have cried in 5 years. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

(hugs) for SG!!!:friends3:

[sciencegirl]

Oh lord; Vinnie just said the jury didn't leave until 1:00 in the morning. Dang, I wish they would pay attention and report accurately.

[kellabeck]

You know, the judge had every right to hold Albee in contempt many times now...but it would probably be a mistrial if he locked him up.

He'd prolly be in a cell with his pervy client.

[KellBell]

Good morning everyone.....see that there's still no verdict!!! I have a question that I thought about last night....if this happened in 1998 why is the trial only happening now???Sorry if that's a stupid question.....

That is a good question, I think it is a combination of alot of things. There are many trials that take a while from the time of the crime until the court date. One big thing was that they had to take the issue of Julies letter to the Supreme Court which took some time. This is a complicated case and they have really made sure they have their ducks in a row.

Check out Julies website, it has a great timeline. http://oursiterjulie.com

[kellabeck]

Oh lord; Vinnie just said the jury didn't leave until 1:00 in the morning. Dang, I wish they would pay attention and report accurately.

Maybe Vinnie thinks they are on the East coast!!

[KellBell]

is the clock up yet? all i'm seeing is 12 news sign??

Good morning by the way! Hope you have your coffee, it was a late night!!

[tbrito1]

QUOTE=gramvof14;125461]Well it was about 1:00 am that I got to bed I never stay up that late so I expect to crash sooner or later.:shock:[/QUOTE]

:thud2:[ (gram at 10:00 am!!!!

[shortcake]

Really you dint??? Have you been listening to Albee again??? you shunt listen to him!!!

yeah, i hope that's the only thing that i pick up from him. i have relatives that live in WI and hearing him talk (when he's not yelling) makes me think of them. the "shun't" really brings back memories of hearing them talk on vacations.

[tbrito1]

Oh lord; Vinnie just said the jury didn't leave until 1:00 in the morning. Dang, I wish they would pay attention and report accurately.

maybe that was Australian time?????:0doh:

[gramvof14]

I take this medicine that actually blunts my tears. I cannot cry. Seriously. One of the side effects. But this morning; I felt I was just going to burst into tears; then the phone rang and interuptted the first time I may have cried in 5 years. :1187603408.CR.Mothe
Goodmorning my friend how are you feeling this morning???:love0085:

[kellabeck]

How unlucky is Mark Jensen? Right before he can carry out his plan to murder his wife, she kills herself and frames him.

[shortcake]

Oh lord; Vinnie just said the jury didn't leave until 1:00 in the morning. Dang, I wish they would pay attention and report accurately.

yeah. that's what lisa opened the morning with, and I thought dumbutts. you're thinking eastern time, and even then it was 12:20.

[tbrito1]

Good morning by the way! Hope you have your coffee, it was a late night!!

morning Kell....you may want to give Bambam a shout out, she's not here yet.....I can just picture her now on her bed with clothes she had on yesterday, mouth wide open hair all over the place, and smoke coming out of her puter.....poor thing.....Bambam, come out come out where ever you are.....

[KellBell]

Your question isn't stupid. They suspected Mark had killed her but didn't have enough good evidence to go to jury. After Klug came forward the ball began to roll, then after they arrested him the inmates strengthened Klugs statements.

Actually they arrested him in 2002, he was released on bond and then Klug didn't come forward until July 2007. IIRC

[TigressPen]

Oh lord; Vinnie just said the jury didn't leave until 1:00 in the morning. Dang, I wish they would pay attention and report accurately.



The jury was sent out around 11:30 their time (an mine) last night. I can't believe they hung around until 1 this morning. Unless they were waiting for transportation to hotel.

[IfIMay]

I take this medicine that actually blunts my tears. I cannot cry. Seriously. One of the side effects. But this morning; I felt I was just going to burst into tears; then the phone rang and interuptted the first time I may have cried in 5 years. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

((hugs)) Verdict watch is the toughest...no information. And we are information junkies...lol. Keep the faith. I feel like the WI jury are more like us. Maybe one needs convincing a bit.

[kindee]

Good morning all :0012:

I think I'm still in :shock: this morning and getting quite emotional. 14 hours of deliberations. Think about it. In a normal trial; that would be 2 days of deliberations already; if not more. No doubt in my mind there is a hold-out engineer!!!!

My only hope is that they reached a decision late last night and went home to sleep on it. If, when they get there, and start asking for more evidence; I think we are going to see a hung jury.:mad:



ITA. And it's not the amount of time the jury's been out, it's the stuff they have requested and how MUCH of it. What more could they POSSIBLY need and what could it possibly prove that they don't already have? And I don't think it's an acquittal, but a hung jury here IMO is much the same thing.

*sigh* I hope we're wrong SG but it's walking like a duck and quacking like a duck.

[sciencegirl]

Goodmorning my friend how are you feeling this morning???:love0085:

Pretty crummy. This jury for all practical purposes has been deliberrating 2 days now. I'd love to know if this engineer is young or old. Anyone remember if they said younger man or older man?

[KellBell]

GM Tbrito :basic45:

Good question. IIRC It took this long to gather evidence to charge MJ in 2002 then again in 2004. It took a long time to get the toxicology reports and get the letter admitted into evidence. Also they didnt have a definative COD. When Dillard came fwd the case (getting cold). Ed Klug didnt come fwd until 2004 also. Then MJ was arrested again and did not make bail this time. I may have the dates wrong but I am close. Someone please ring in here .......... I am sure I forgot lots of stuff but here is some... :waitasec:

That's awesome, you remembered some things I forgot to mention.

[tbrito1]

How unlucky is Mark Jensen? Right before he can carry out his plan to murder his wife, she kills herself and frames him.

can you imagine?? how selfish!!!!

[TigressPen]

Actually they arrested him in 2002, he was released on bond and then Klug didn't come forward until July 2007. IIRC



So Dillard came forward before Klug? I thought it was vice-versa.

[sciencegirl]

ITA. And it's not the amount of time the jury's been out, it's the stuff they have requested and how MUCH of it. What more could they POSSIBLY need and what could it possibly prove that they don't already have? And I don't think it's an acquittal, but a hung jury here IMO is much the same thing.

*sigh* I hope we're wrong SG but it's walking like a duck and quacking like a duck.

Kindee; we are on the same track. We've been through this before. We know what happening and it's not looking good. My only hope is that they reached a decision late last night and went home to sleep on it.

[Xmygrits]

I feel like $hit and I look like $hit. My eyes are still crossed. I doubt there is enough coffee in the house to fix this mess. But I am off to check anyway.

Swabby

:love0085: Awww Swabby, I think your cute!

[tbrito1]

The jury was sent out around 11:30 their time (an mine) last night. I can't believe they hung around until 1 this morning. Unless they were waiting for transportation to hotel.

atleast Obama won!!!! they didn't even get to vote...

[IfIMay]

ITA. And it's not the amount of time the jury's been out, it's the stuff they have requested and how MUCH of it. What more could they POSSIBLY need and what could it possibly prove that they don't already have? And I don't think it's an acquittal, but a hung jury here IMO is much the same thing.

*sigh* I hope we're wrong SG but it's walking like a duck and quacking like a duck.

We were worried about Mikey's jury, too, though Kindee. It was so clear to us. They came back with the right verdict. I think these folks are more like the Durham jury than Spector's. I didn't follow the Orange trial.

[KellBell]

Morning all It was a long night and the alternates were not dismissed. the way I understood it was if the judge put a time limit on the jurors and made them stop at a certain time he would have to dismiss the alternates but if the jurors said they want to quit for the night then the judge can keep the alternates and have them come back also. I hope that makes sence Albee tried to fight the judge all night he wanted the judge to give the jurors a time limit and that is when the Judge lost it with Albee and told him I am not going to have a mistrial.There fore 19 jurors will be back this morning. now I have to go feed Cody and let him out. bbl:love0085:

Good morning Gram, I think that is the conclusion I have come to also, really makes sense looking back at how hard Albee was fighting to get the judge to send a note to the jurors, send them home etc. WHAT A JERK, in his defense though his only hope is a mistrial so it makes sense that he would try this. But luckily it didn't work.

[TigressPen]

((hugs)) Verdict watch is the toughest...no information. And we are information junkies...lol. Keep the faith. I feel like the WI jury are more like us. Maybe one needs convincing a bit.




We don't usually have as much courtroom activity during verdict watches. This one has been great with that.
Keeps us in the Know!!

[kindee]

Kindee; we are on the same track. We've been through this before. We know what happening and it's not looking good. My only hope is that they reached a decision late last night and went home to sleep on it.




But Jean C said they looked tired and frustrated when they left last night. I think they are tired of convincing you-know-who...when he is satisfied on one point he drags in another.

NOw I'm REALLY off to my app't. See y'all in a couple of hours. :happy0207:

[gramvof14]

Yeah I DO NOT understand what happened with that. He said over and over that he is bound by the statute to dismiss them unless the attorneys stipulated (which I never heard them do) and then he kept them. It must have something to do with if he forced them to stop deliberating and go home for the day then he has to dismiss them, if they stop on their own then the alternates stay. That is the best I can come up with. Maybe we will get some clarification.
Thats right KellBell thats the way I heard it also,not that I understand it, I did try to explain it a few pages ago. thats why Albee kept trying to get the judge to put a time limit on the jurors.:love0085:

[IfIMay]

We don't usually have as much courtroom activity during verdict watches. This one has been great with that.
Keeps us in the Know!!

True..I just meant that we don't know what the evidence being requested means to THEM. :francis: Maddening!

[KellBell]

thanks tigress!!! boy, thank god Klug came forward!!!:zm10:

Yes! Thank God, you know that whole "no snitching" thing isn't just a ghetto thing. People really don't like to get involved no matter who they are or where they come from. Good samaritains are hard to come by these days. Sad but true.

[gramvof14]

But Jean C said they looked tired and frustrated when they left last night. I think they are tired of convincing you-know-who...when he is satisfied on one point he drags in another.

NOw I'm REALLY off to my app't. See y'all in a couple of hours. :happy0207:
Catch you later Kindee.:happy0207:

[bambam]

morning Kell....you may want to give Bambam a shout out, she's not here yet.....I can just picture her now on her bed with clothes she had on yesterday, mouth wide open hair all over the place, and smoke coming out of her puter.....poor thing.....Bambam, come out come out where ever you are.....

:mornincoffee:

i thought i heard somebody calling me!! whew! what a night, huh? after sleeping on it a while, i've decided to completely change my thinking on this and turn it around into a positive by saying that the more closely they look at the evidence, the more convinced they will be that MJ is indeed guilty! how bout that? i can't stand the thought of a holdout-- therefore i'll not have that thought anymore! ha! :basic44:

[shortcake]

Well, since I haven't heard trutv ppl talk about it, I looked up the law on alternate jurors in Wisconsin and here's what I found:

Alternate jurors dismissed or retained
Before deliberations begin, alternate jurors are either removed and asked to remain in the event of the illness of a deliberating juror, or alternatively, they are dismissed from the jury. If the alternate jurors are dismissed, and one of the final twelve jurors becomes ill, is involved in a car accident, or cannot attend deliberations for some other reason, a mistrial is declared. A court can dismiss some or all of the alternate jurors.


Now who can disect what this means?

[KellBell]

It was the plot to "sit on" Klug that ended up in bond being revoked for Mark.

And a new judge took over the case and relooked at everything and raised his bond. I think the new judge helped a little too.

[IfIMay]

Is a clock up anywhere? Aren't they supposed to be starting now?

[TigressPen]

Kindee; we are on the same track. We've been through this before. We know what happening and it's not looking good. My only hope is that they reached a decision late last night and went home to sleep on it.



I agree. I'm concerned with what the jury has requested simply because of what it is, it's like they are trying to prove their point to a holdout.

Like the Docs note in her records that they said wasn't discernible and wanted to know if he could be asked about it.

[KellBell]

Yep. All 19 come back this morning and the alternates were admonished with same restrictions as the seated 12 were.

I wonder if any of the 19 took the motel/hotel gift. And will come to court wearing same clothes as last nite. Can hear it now, call home. Hon, I need you to drop off my clothes at a Hotel Jury Stay because I couldn't drive last nite. Bring undies!! :girl_haha:

:girl_haha:

I was thinking the same thing. I would have taken them up on the room thing if they let me run up a bar tab...:yes2:

[TigressPen]

Is a clock up anywhere? Aren't they supposed to be starting now?

No. Not until 9:30
Central time

[Bernie]

:howdy:Morning all......brrrrrrrrrrrrr....

[IfIMay]

No. Not until 9:30
Central time

thanks. I keep forgetting that central time. more :mornincoffee:

[TigressPen]

:girl_haha:

I was thinking the same thing. I would have taken them up on the room thing if they let me run up a bar tab...:yes2:



They may need a good stiff ( I cringe with that word. LOL ) drink.

[StoneFox]

Good Morning All :mornincoffee:

For those interested in the Shawna Nelson trial in Colorado, these links give some background on the case. I emailed a local station to find out if they would have live stream video of the trial. So far, I have not received a reply. I will call the station today. I am not seeing any reference on the pages to live streaming.

http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/20080218/SPECIAL_MEDIA/792557638
local newspaper

http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=CED551DE819E7F29EE4648B72EA9915D ?contentId=5820881&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1
local Fox station coverage (writing an email to them today)

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/slideshow/news/10833933/detail.html
slide show of murder scene

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15339552/detail.html
arrest documents links under Nelson photo

I'll let you guys know what I find.
Katy

[shortcake]

Oh my gosh. Lisa just said there's lots of testimony they haven't been able to show because of how late the court has gone each day. Hmmm...are you sure about that? Don't think it has anything to do with the fact that the THs constantly interrupt and the network stops airing things at 3 in the afternoon EST. How stupid do they think we are?

[KellBell]

Real Life calls me today requiring two forays out into the world. One midday for about a half hour.

The second midafternoon for about an hour and a half. With my luck, that's when the verdict will come in.

VOLUNTEER NEEDED! Someone who is going to be on hand watching and if it comes in then, give me a call on my cell? I can PM someone the number.

Oh, dear. Jean said the jurors looked tired and frustrated and upset late last night.

I will! I have to run out from 3:15 EST until 3:45 EST, maybe you could return the favor if it comes in while I am out? PM me if you didn't get a volunteer.

[sciencegirl]

Did anyone every find an official accurate list of who the jurors are? I know there were several submitted yesterday; but different lists.

[gramvof14]

Is a clock up anywhere? Aren't they supposed to be starting now?
Hi Iffy it is 9:30 WI time and 10:30 est morning:love0085:

[KellBell]

speak of Anxiety, where's bam bam this morning...I'm sure she got about 1/2 hours sleep last night.....

I'm more worried about SG! She is usually here bright and early. Bam usually comes in later and is on intermittenly.

[jcc]

Good morning!

[tbrito1]

:mornincoffee:

i thought i heard somebody calling me!! whew! what a night, huh? after sleeping on it a while, i've decided to completely change my thinking on this and turn it around into a positive by saying that the more closely they look at the evidence, the more convinced they will be that MJ is indeed guilty! how bout that? i can't stand the thought of a holdout-- therefore i'll not have that thought anymore! ha! :basic44:

morning friend!! was worried about ya...love the new attitude......I see the drugs i sent ya are finally kicking in...:basic44::s1gyahoo:

[TigressPen]

Good Morning All :mornincoffee:

For those interested in the Shawna Nelson trial in Colorado, these links give some background on the case. I emailed a local station to find out if they would have live stream video of the trial. So far, I have not received a reply. I will call the station today. I am not seeing any reference on the pages to live streaming.

http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/20080218/SPECIAL_MEDIA/792557638
local newspaper

http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=CED551DE819E7F29EE4648B72EA9915D ?contentId=5820881&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1
local Fox station coverage (writing an email to them today)

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/slideshow/news/10833933/detail.html
slide show of murder scene

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15339552/detail.html
arrest documents links under Nelson photo

I'll let you guys know what I find.
Katy




Thanks!! That is a sad case and could be interesting to watch.

[IfIMay]

Hi Iffy it is 9:30 WI time and 10:30 est morning:love0085:

Morning Gram! You outlasted me last night. I crashed about 10:00 eastern time. Missed the alternate fireworks.

[kellabeck]

I will! I have to run out from 3:15 EST until 3:45 EST, maybe you could return the favor if it comes in while I am out? PM me if you didn't get a volunteer.

But KB, I won't be here while you are out! 3:15-3:45 is in the middle of 2:30-4:15!

You can't help me and I can't help you! We both need volunteers.

[KellBell]

Good morning all :0012:

I think I'm still in :shock: this morning and getting quite emotional. 14 hours of deliberations. Think about it. In a normal trial; that would be 2 days of deliberations already; if not more. No doubt in my mind there is a hold-out engineer!!!!

My only hope is that they reached a decision late last night and went home to sleep on it. If, when they get there, and start asking for more evidence; I think we are going to see a hung jury.:mad:

You are here! I was still catching up and didn't see you made it. I was worried about you. It was a long night and silly court kept interrupting your rest. How ya feelin' this mornin'?

[sciencegirl]

OK folks; let's gather up for a big prayer before the day begins. Justice for Julie!!!

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb59/aingaelsmileys/grouphugg.gif

[shortcake]

I'm more worried about SG! She is usually here bright and early. Bam usually comes in later and is on intermittenly.

never fear, she is here. you must just be missing her posts.

[KellBell]

I leave work at 3:30 to pick up my boys and I don't get home until about 4:30 so unfortunetly, i'm not sure i can help Kella.....I'm sorry!:0001:

Sounds lie all 3 of us are going to be gone around the same time. I will be gone 3:15 EST to 3:45 EST

[sciencegirl]

You are here! I was still catching up and didn't see you made it. I was worried about you. It was a long night and silly court kept interrupting your rest. How ya feelin' this mornin'?

I'm good. Feeling emotional. But I was with all of you last night. Just had to be horizontal and listen and couldn't post. But, I was definitely feeling all of your pain.:love0085:

[TigressPen]

Morning Gram! You outlasted me last night. I crashed about 10:00 eastern time. Missed the alternate fireworks.



It was a yelling match between Judge and Albee!! Judge was determined to let jurors determine when they wanted to leave. And he stuck with his convictions!!!

[tbrito1]

Good Morning All :mornincoffee:

For those interested in the Shawna Nelson trial in Colorado, these links give some background on the case. I emailed a local station to find out if they would have live stream video of the trial. So far, I have not received a reply. I will call the station today. I am not seeing any reference on the pages to live streaming.

http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/20080218/SPECIAL_MEDIA/792557638
local newspaper

http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=CED551DE819E7F29EE4648B72EA9915D ?contentId=5820881&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1
local Fox station coverage (writing an email to them today)

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/slideshow/news/10833933/detail.html
slide show of murder scene

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15339552/detail.html
arrest documents links under Nelson photo

I'll let you guys know what I find.
Katy

thanks stone...i definetly want to watch this one......Let us know on the live feeds please..:0012:

[annalyzer]

Good morning!



Morning jcc and everyone. Trying to think positive here.

[kellabeck]

Did anyone every find an official accurate list of who the jurors are? I know there were several submitted yesterday; but different lists.

Here's what Jean C said yesterday:

1 male - truck driver
2 female - medical secretary
3 m - production asst/tester
4 f - retired
5 m - facilities mgr.
6 f - housewife
7 m - engineering technician
8 f - certified nursing asst.
9 f - proofreader
10 f- bookkeeper
11 f - unemployed
12 m - machine operator

[bambam]

morning friend!! was worried about ya...love the new attitude......I see the drugs i sent ya are finally kicking in...:basic44::s1gyahoo:

you so sweet to be worried! :love0085: yep! i reckon they are kickin in! i feel pretty good! hoping for a much better day today, ya know?? something has just GOT to right for a change!

[KellBell]

Question. When the police described things Mark took from the house, did you hear any mention of a picture of Julie or family pictures being taken? The only pics I remember him being concerned about were the playboy magazines with their pics.

Brain's just working in overdrive this morning.

Wow, yeah, that was pushed to the back of my mind. What a perv. They took his PC so he had to have something to look at. Crazy thing is he wasn't looking at the women in those mags. Sicko! If he wants to be gay just be gay. I get so grossed out when I find out married me are gay or do weird chit like this. Makes me gag.

[IfIMay]

It was a yelling match between Judge and Albee!! Judge was determined to let jurors determine when they wanted to leave. And he stuck with his convictions!!!

I'm so glad this Judge has found his voice in his courtroom. Albee is soooo disrespectful. I would have held him in contempt a LONG time ago.

[Xmygrits]

Good Morning All :mornincoffee:

For those interested in the Shawna Nelson trial in Colorado, these links give some background on the case. I emailed a local station to find out if they would have live stream video of the trial. So far, I have not received a reply. I will call the station today. I am not seeing any reference on the pages to live streaming.

http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/20080218/SPECIAL_MEDIA/792557638
local newspaper

http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=CED551DE819E7F29EE4648B72EA9915D ?contentId=5820881&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1
local Fox station coverage (writing an email to them today)

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/slideshow/news/10833933/detail.html
slide show of murder scene

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15339552/detail.html
arrest documents links under Nelson photo

I'll let you guys know what I find.
Katy


Girl!!! You're on top of it! Thanks for the info.

[sciencegirl]

It was a yelling match between Judge and Albee!! Judge was determined to let jurors determine when they wanted to leave. And he stuck with his convictions!!!

Could you absolutely believe Albee over that one last night. Wanted to send a note to the jurors. He wanted them to go home; no doubt in my mind. What's he afraid of? The little snit!!!

[Cornblossom]

I went over to IS this morning just to peek around. Their poll reflects about 90% G.

And I read a couple of posts from one of the DFs claiming that part of the "exonerating evidence" is that the incriminating internet activity of Dec 2 and 3 "was not deleted" but left to be found.

And that evidence of asphyxia was never found in the autopsy.

What contortions the DFs have to do to dredge up "facts" that exonerate their skeevy little freakish hero.

And forgive me for patting myself on the back, but I am very proud of having named the formerly "NGs" with their true and just moniker: DEFENSE FANS. The term has stuck and I am delighted. Even they have embraced it which is pretty funny, actually. Shows how deluded they are not to understand the siteeation.

Let's get goin' already! I want a verdict this morning!!!
:mornincoffee: You might find this hard to believe...BUT....one day...one trial YOU may find you're a DF.

[annalyzer]

It was a yelling match between Judge and Albee!! Judge was determined to let jurors determine when they wanted to leave. And he stuck with his convictions!!!


Did anyone ever figure out the alternate thing. If the judge sent the jurors home the alternates would have to be excused but since he let them stop when they wanted to stop the alternates stay? :confused:

[KellBell]

thanks anyway, tbrito and iffy! Perhaps it won't be necessary and we will have our verdict before that.

I'm crossing my fingers.

[Xmygrits]

OK folks; let's gather up for a big prayer before the day begins. Justice for Julie!!!

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:1222423:AMEN! :1222423:

[TigressPen]

Could you absolutely believe Albee over that one last night. Wanted to send a note to the jurors. He wanted them to go home; no doubt in my mind. What's he afraid of? The little snit!!!



I know. I don't understand it. He'd have bigger chance of having to defend even more evidence if it's a mistrial. State knows his case now. And they could battle harder, have more brought in to disprove his allegations.

[kellabeck]

Feeling the pull of Real Life here. I am recognizing how sucked in I get, how invested and emotional, how much I obsess over just verdicts and every little scrap of evidence...What suffers is everyday stuff. So many things that don't get done. So many times I hate leaving the puter b/c of this dang trial!
So I don't want to know about Shawna Nelson. I don't plan on following that trial. I am going to go with a bit of freedom from courtwatching. Another trial will come along down the road that sucks me back in.

[StoneFox]

Thanks!! That is a sad case and could be interesting to watch.

I just sent an email to the local Fox channel. Hopefully I will get a response from somebody about the case. Next step is to call the Larimer county court house and see if I can get an answer from them.

[KellBell]

I take this medicine that actually blunts my tears. I cannot cry. Seriously. One of the side effects. But this morning; I felt I was just going to burst into tears; then the phone rang and interuptted the first time I may have cried in 5 years. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

I don't know what I would do if I didn't cry. I read an article that it is very healthy to cry. It releases a hormone and reduces stress and anxiety. Guess that is why we all feel so much better after a good cry. I rent a tearjerker when I feel stressed to stimulate my tear ducts. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[TigressPen]

:1222423:AMEN! :1222423:



I raise my morning coffee cup to that!! :1222423:

[tbrito1]

I'm more worried about SG! She is usually here bright and early. Bam usually comes in later and is on intermittenly.

SG is here.....Bam is here as well...OUR FAMILY IS ALL PRESENT THIS MORNING AXIOUSLY AWAITING....

[tbrito1]

But KB, I won't be here while you are out! 3:15-3:45 is in the middle of 2:30-4:15!

You can't help me and I can't help you! We both need volunteers.

I can do the 3:15 to 3:30 shift??? If that helps?

[bambam]

:mornincoffee: You might find this hard to believe...BUT....one day...one trial YOU may find you're a DF.

:0012:hey corn! that's true! i'm wondering when a trial is going to come around where we're rooting for the defendant...man, that'll be a switch! well, i thought cynthia sommer was not guilty... but i never posted much during that trial.

[KellBell]

How unlucky is Mark Jensen? Right before he can carry out his plan to murder his wife, she kills herself and frames him.

:67302:

[TigressPen]

I just sent an email to the local Fox channel. Hopefully I will get a response from somebody about the case. Next step is to call the Larimer county court house and see if I can get an answer from them.



I hope you hear back from them. Anytime I hear of a case near or in Denver, I cringe thinking of JonBenet.

[jcc]

Did anyone ever figure out the alternate thing. If the judge sent the jurors home the alternates would have to be excused but since he let them stop when they wanted to stop the alternates stay? :confused:


I think that is it. Judge kept saying if "I dismiss them".... I have to let them go.

...but apparently if they ASK to go, it is a different ballgame.

Unless, in the end, Albee stipulated but did it off camera. Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe Jean C. will clean up questions on that. Because I am guessing!

[tbrito1]

:mornincoffee: You might find this hard to believe...BUT....one day...one trial YOU may find you're a DF.

morning corn!!!!! ooh i mean sweetie!!!:mornincoffee:

[TigressPen]

:0012:hey corn! that's true! i'm wondering when a trial is going to come around where we're rooting for the defendant...man, that'll be a switch! well, i thought cynthia sommer was not guilty... but i never posted much during that trial.



I had strong feelings of her innocence also. But, I wasn't a 100% sure of it. I woulda been a holdout on that jury. I want to watch trial 2.

[KellBell]

So Dillard came forward before Klug? I thought it was vice-versa.

No Klug came forward in July 07 then Jensen went to jail in August 07 and then while in jail he ran his mouth to Dillard.

[Cornblossom]

:0012:hey corn! that's true! i'm wondering when a trial is going to come around where we're rooting for the defendant...man, that'll be a switch! well, i thought cynthia sommer was not guilty... but i never posted much during that trial.That's why I don't really like calling names cause someday I mite be what I'm calling them today....and us calling names makes us no better than they are......I prefer NG's and G's.

[jcc]

I hope you hear back from them. Anytime I hear of a case near or in Denver, I cringe thinking of JonBenet.

Does anyone remember hearing of a case in the Boulder area where a woman was killed by her daughter or daughter's freinds? And kept in the trunk of the car for a while. Then Buried. Then dug up and moved? It was probably a year or two or maybe three ago.

[Cornblossom]

morning corn!!!!! ooh i mean sweetie!!!:mornincoffee:
:67302: that's what Mr Corn calls me cause he forgets my name LMAO

[dojewo]

:howdy:Morning all......brrrrrrrrrrrrr....I do agree with that Bernie, it's definately cold today.

Anyone have the clock up yet?

[kellabeck]

:mornincoffee: You might find this hard to believe...BUT....one day...one trial YOU may find you're a DF.

Do you mean an NG? That is possible. A DF? NEVER!! I will never just rah-rah a defendant and ignore evidence! I will never twist facts and lie.

I could never be a DF, corny! NEVAH!!!

[tbrito1]

Does anyone remember hearing of a case in the Boulder area where a woman was killed by her daughter or daughter's freinds? And kept in the trunk of the car for a while. Then Buried. Then dug up and moved? It was probably a year or two or maybe three ago.

i remember that!!! (I think!)

[annalyzer]

I had strong feelings of her innocence also. But, I wasn't a 100% sure of it. I woulda been a holdout on that jury. I want to watch trial 2.

I had strong feelings of guilt but just think it wasn't proved. I'm looking forward to the next trial too.

[tbrito1]

:67302: that's what Mr Corn calls me cause he forgets my name LMAO

I know, that's why i said it!!!:rolleye0001:

[sciencegirl]

That's why I don't really like calling names cause someday I mite be what I'm calling them today....and us calling names makes us no better than they are......I prefer NG's and G's.

Mornin Corn - ITA. It's totally name calling. We are either guilty or not guilty. I remember how torn I was on the McCowen case. I was a not guilty on that case. IIRC, the board was split 50% on that trial.

[TigressPen]

I do agree with that Bernie, it's definately cold today.

Anyone have the clock up yet?



We have 30 minutes until jury arrives. I think they go directly to begin deliberating once all 12 are in the room, and not come into courtroom. But, Albee will have something in his agenda to put Judge on bench so we will hear what everyone is doing. :67302:

[tbrito1]

I do agree with that Bernie, it's definately cold today.

Anyone have the clock up yet?

no clock yet. Not expecting the jurors until 10:30 est...

[KellBell]

:mornincoffee:

i thought i heard somebody calling me!! whew! what a night, huh? after sleeping on it a while, i've decided to completely change my thinking on this and turn it around into a positive by saying that the more closely they look at the evidence, the more convinced they will be that MJ is indeed guilty! how bout that? i can't stand the thought of a holdout-- therefore i'll not have that thought anymore! ha! :basic44:

Morning Bam. I am trying to catch up on reading, I have a couple pages to go and i will be with you all. This board is running fast and I am trying to read everything.

I am thinking positive with ya!!!

[kellabeck]

Corny, I see you have confused NG and DF.
Non DFs may land on either side of the fence or even sit on it.

A DF never sees or acknowledges one incriminating scrap of evidence against the defendants.

There is a big difference.

[gramvof14]

That's why I don't really like calling names cause someday I mite be what I'm calling them today....and us calling names makes us no better than they are......I prefer NG's and G's.
Morning Corny are you planning something we don't know about???hahahaJ/K
You are absolutely right.:love0085:

[sciencegirl]

I think that is it. Judge kept saying if "I dismiss them".... I have to let them go.

...but apparently if they ASK to go, it is a different ballgame.

Unless, in the end, Albee stipulated but did it off camera. Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe Jean C. will clean up questions on that. Because I am guessing!

He refused to dismiss any of them. They are all being held in a separate room while the jury deliberates. The alternates will also be back this morning. Judge said he was not going to take a chance with a Mistrial if one of the jurors fell ill; etc.

[lost indie]

SG is here.....Bam is here as well...OUR FAMILY IS ALL PRESENT THIS MORNING AXIOUSLY AWAITING....


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[annalyzer]

Do you mean an NG? That is possible. A DF? NEVER!! I will never just rah-rah a defendant and ignore evidence! I will never twist facts and lie.

I could never be a DF, corny! NEVAH!!!


Yes there is a big difference between a not guilty or a fence sitter and the defense fans. Like that lisa no matter what is proven as fact she will turn it around to fit her agenda or whatever.

[mitch]

:mornincoffee: You might find this hard to believe...BUT....one day...one trial YOU may find you're a DF.

i was in the MM trial. but that was before i found the boards. my daughter and i watched the trial on spring break and we both we're DF and fense sitting right to the end.

good morning everyone. i hope the jury is close to a verdict.

[TigressPen]

Mornin Corn - ITA. It's totally name calling. We are either guilty or not guilty. I remember how torn I was on the McCowen case. I was a not guilty on that case. IIRC, the board was split 50% on that trial.



In the Worthington murder? I would love a new trial in that one!! So much wasn't brought out in that one. I just felt it was a lot more that should have been heard.

[KellBell]

Oh my gosh. Lisa just said there's lots of testimony they haven't been able to show because of how late the court has gone each day. Hmmm...are you sure about that? Don't think it has anything to do with the fact that the THs constantly interrupt and the network stops airing things at 3 in the afternoon EST. How stupid do they think we are?

AMEN sista!

[annalyzer]

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And lost indie is here. :basic44:

[jcc]

i remember that!!! (I think!)

My sister lives in the area and is an administrator within the school district there, and these kids were HS students. Apparently they figured it out when neighbors complained about cars speeding up and down the street...because the motherless house had become a 'party house'. I think the story was that a girl was upset with her mom over something and decided she wanted her dead. I can't remember for sure, but I think it was the friends who carried out the deed.

[shortcake]

Did anyone ever figure out the alternate thing. If the judge sent the jurors home the alternates would have to be excused but since he let them stop when they wanted to stop the alternates stay? :confused:

I posted the law a few pages back and asked for any input, but I don't think I saw any. Pgs are moving fast again though, so I need to go back and check. I think there's a difference in releasing them because the day is over and dismissing them because their service is no longer needed. I believe the judge's biggest frustration is that Albee won't agree on a number of alternates to keep so the judge is left to decide to keep all or none. I'm just trying to think this through. Really wish Jean C would explain it on tv.

[KellBell]

Did anyone every find an official accurate list of who the jurors are? I know there were several submitted yesterday; but different lists.

female book keeper
female proofreader
female housewife
female medical secretary
female retired
female unkown
male engineer
male engineer tech
male truck driver
male production tester
male machine operator
female cna

[tbrito1]

http://bestsmileys.com/sad/1.gif

whats the matter Indie?

[sciencegirl]

In the Worthington murder? I would love a new trial in that one!! So much wasn't brought out in that one. I just felt it was a lot more that should have been heard.

That's the one. I'm not sure what the status is on that.

[sciencegirl]

female book keeper
female proofreader
female housewife
female medical secretary
female retired
female unkown
male engineer
male engineer tech
male truck driver
male production tester
male machine operator
female cna

Thanks Kell. Much appreciated.:love0085:

[lost indie]

And lost indie is here. :basic44:


:hifive:

Good morning.....

[Cornblossom]

Corny, I see you have confused NG and DF.
Non DFs may land on either side of the fence or even sit on it.

A DF never sees or acknowledges one incriminating scrap of evidence against the defendants.

There is a big difference.I haven't confused what you mean at all...I'm not stupid...I know exactly what you mean and I don't agree with it.....I think if anyone is going to be labeled it should be G or NG...and not for all trials-just the one going on now.......some of the people you say are DF's during this trial may NOT be in another trial...same as you say you'd never be. I just don't like labels.

[KellBell]

:mornincoffee: You might find this hard to believe...BUT....one day...one trial YOU may find you're a DF.

Good Point Corny. I can see it happening with me because I am sceptical sometimes.

BTW, GOOD MORNING! Pass me a cup of that?

[sciencegirl]

http://bestsmileys.com/sad/1.gif

Morning Indie - come on and hug with us. We're having a group hug and prayer before the jury gets to the courthouse.

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[lost indie]

Morning Indie - come on and hug with us. We're having a group hug and prayer before the jury gets to the courthouse.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb59/aingaelsmileys/grouphugg.gif

Good morning.....

:love0085:

[tbrito1]

:eyebrow1qb:where's lovelaw this morning?

[bambam]

In the Worthington murder? I would love a new trial in that one!! So much wasn't brought out in that one. I just felt it was a lot more that should have been heard.

isn't he supposed to be getting a new trial? i was never sure on that one..... was leaning NG for sure... but never really SURE-- does that make sense?? lol

[Cornblossom]

Morning Corny are you planning something we don't know about???hahahaJ/K
You are absolutely right.:love0085:That would cause me hives LMAO Even during Cody Posey...I knew he was guilty...I just wanted him tried and sentenced as a child.

[JoolzRoolz]

Just reading through the thread that went on without me last night and I read so much anxiety and even despair.

<snip for space>


Thank you kellabeck! Another voice of reason. Details posted something pretty great last night, too. I hope we can keep our nervousing friends off the ledge today :)

PS good morning everybody!

[KellBell]

That's why I don't really like calling names cause someday I mite be what I'm calling them today....and us calling names makes us no better than they are......I prefer NG's and G's.

I totally agree with you but is it possible that there are G's NG"s and DF's A defense fan I interpreted was someone who will always say NG no matter what the facts are, just for the sake of being a DF. Just my take on it.

[bambam]

:eyebrow1qb:where's lovelaw this morning?

she'll show up, she's a late arriver! :)

[kellabeck]

In the Worthington murder? I would love a new trial in that one!! So much wasn't brought out in that one. I just felt it was a lot more that should have been heard.

And I will bet that you could discuss that evidence fairly. That means you are an NG.

A DF is oogle and lisam and ryban et alia and remember that woman during PS who went challenged about evidence would say "asked and answered!"?? THOSE are DFs!!

DFs are not interested in the truth or in debate or in the evidence. They are there to cheer on the defendant and maybe stir up some trouble.

I don't believe mitch, that you were ever a DF in any trial. An NG? Yes. But not a DF.

[tbrito1]

Thank you kellabeck! Another voice of reason. Details posted something pretty great last night, too. I hope we can keep our nervousing friends off the ledge today :)

PS good morning everybody!

:mornincoffee:Joolz...still no verdict:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[tbrito1]

going to take alittle break brb

[TigressPen]

That's the one. I'm not sure what the status is on that.



The last I heard was last month when the Judge met and questioned all the jurors over all the racist activity etc that went on during deliberations. Defense was asking for a new trial. I haven't heard if Judge has made a decision yet or not.

[johnielee333]

:mornincoffee::happy0207::s1gyahoo:

[bambam]

"your buttocks on the desk with your feet on the arms of the chair so you can engage in cunnilingus?" ewwwwww kelly!! lol they just replayed gabrielle questioning KL! funny! kinda. sorta.

[kellabeck]

I haven't confused what you mean at all...I'm not stupid...I know exactly what you mean and I don't agree with it.....I think if anyone is going to be labeled it should be G or NG...and not for all trials-just the one going on now.......some of the people you say are DF's during this trial may NOT be in another trial...same as you say you'd never be. I just don't like labels.

I understand that and I appreciate that.

But I disagree with you that any of the DFs will ever be Gs. DFs are always DFs and there are always some in every trial perhaps under different hats but their methods are always the same: ignore evidence, lie and bash the victim and praise the defendant.

[Cornblossom]

Mornin Corn - ITA. It's totally name calling. We are either guilty or not guilty. I remember how torn I was on the McCowen case. I was a not guilty on that case. IIRC, the board was split 50% on that trial.I was and will always believe Guilty in that one cause of the sperm left behind...but that doesn't mean I'd call you a name or you me..would you? LMAO

[bambam]

gonna go make some scambled cheese eggs and toast bbl

[sciencegirl]

Thank you kellabeck! Another voice of reason. Details posted something pretty great last night, too. I hope we can keep our nervousing friends off the ledge today :)

PS good morning everybody!

It's not so much about nervousness per se'; it's just we have been through this so many times of late and have seen the justice system fail.

I can't remember his name at the moment; but a college student, killed a young lady in her room. He is caught on video tape. His DNA is there and confesses on video tape to a sexual act on the victim; and we all know DNA convicts; and what happens; it's a hung jury by one single woman who just happens to be an engineer.

I mean it literally blows your mind. Ya know what I'm saying? I'm not expressing myself well this morning; I don;t think.

[TigressPen]

And I will bet that you could discuss that evidence fairly. That means you are an NG.

A DF is oogle and lisam and ryban et alia and remember that woman during PS who went challenged about evidence would say "asked and answered!"?? THOSE are DFs!!

DFs are not interested in the truth or in debate or in the evidence. They are there to cheer on the defendant and maybe stir up some trouble.

I don't believe mitch, that you were ever a DF in any trial. An NG? Yes. But not a DF.



I have never been a DF. Never ever ever. A NG or G or a fence sitter, yes. I don't deliberately ignore and spin evidence just because I admire some defense attorneys or their handling of the uphill battle.

[KellBell]

OMG! I can't believe it! I actually caught up! It took me almost 2 hours! So if my posts seemed a little delayed I apologize. I was really trying to read everything and reply to alot because you guys are awesome and so intelligent. With that said, I really want a shower. So I will probably be catching up again... it's never ending. Be back in 10.

[lovelaw]

:eyebrow1qb:where's lovelaw this morning?





:basic44::basic44:HERE I AM!!:basic44:

Daughter had an ortho appt.!!~


I am HATING what Jean C. said about the jury last night! They looked, frustrated, and divided!~ :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[lost indie]

live...no action but courtroom...

[Cornblossom]

I understand that and I appreciate that.

But I disagree with you that any of the DFs will ever be Gs. DFs are always DFs and there are always some in every trial perhaps under different hats but their methods are always the same: ignore evidence, lie and bash the victim and praise the defendant.take the McCowan case if you will.........ScienceGirl says she thought Not Guilty...well she thinks Jensen is guilty.....is she a DF or not? We'll just agree to disagree and I'll stick to my belief there shouldn't be labels......by anyone.

[TigressPen]

It's not so much about nervousness per se'; it's just we have been through this so many times of late and have seen the justice system fail.

I can't remember his name at the moment; but a college student, killed a young lady in her room. He is caught on video tape. His DNA is there and confesses on video tape to a sexual act on the victim; and we all know DNA convicts; and what happens; it's a hung jury by one single woman who just happens to be an engineer.

I mean it literally blows your mind. Ya know what I'm saying? I'm not expressing myself well this morning; I don;t think.


Orange Taylor

[lost indie]

It's not so much about nervousness per se'; it's just we have been through this so many times of late and have seen the justice system fail.

I can't remember his name at the moment; but a college student, killed a young lady in her room. He is caught on video tape. His DNA is there and confesses on video tape to a sexual act on the victim; and we all know DNA convicts; and what happens; it's a hung jury by one single woman who just happens to be an engineer.

I mean it literally blows your mind. Ya know what I'm saying? I'm not expressing myself well this morning; I don;t think.

Orange Taylor....

[lovelaw]

she'll show up, she's a late arriver! :)

YOU'RE RIGHT!~

I always listen while I'm finishing up the morning dishes, and starting a load of laundry.....etc....I'm NAUGHTY!~

[JoolzRoolz]

:mornincoffee:Joolz...still no verdict:1187603408.CR.Mothe

Yea I know! But don't despair! New day new day. Maybe they went home to sleep on the verdict, will come in this morning and wrap it up and give the verdict in the afternoon.

[lost indie]

A different judge...

[gramvof14]

I posted the law a few pages back and asked for any input, but I don't think I saw any. Pgs are moving fast again though, so I need to go back and check. I think there's a difference in releasing them because the day is over and dismissing them because their service is no longer needed. I believe the judge's biggest frustration is that Albee won't agree on a number of alternates to keep so the judge is left to decide to keep all or none. I'm just trying to think this through. Really wish Jean C would explain it on tv.
I agree Shortcake and I tried to explain it a few pages ago.OH and goodmorning:love0085:

[TigressPen]

:basic44::basic44:HERE I AM!!:basic44:

Daughter had an ortho appt.!!~


I am HATING what Jean C. said about the jury last night! They looked, frustrated, and divided!~ :1187603408.CR.Mothe



Yeah, that makes me nervous!!!

[tbrito1]

YOU'RE RIGHT!~

I always listen while I'm finishing up the morning dishes, and starting a load of laundry.....etc....I'm NAUGHTY!~

morning love!!!:0012::0012:

[lovelaw]

A different judge...

WHAT?? I have no pic. of the courtroom.

[Swabby]

Here's what Jean C said yesterday:

1 male - truck driver
2 female - medical secretary
3 m - production asst/tester
4 f - retired
5 m - facilities mgr.
6 f - housewife
7 m - engineering technician
8 f - certified nursing asst.
9 f - proofreader
10 f- bookkeeper
11 f - unemployed
12 m - machine operator

This IS the correct list!

Only the engr. tech...no "real" engineer and not both of them.

Swabby

[Kara]

Good morning all! I'm glad I didn't stay up waiting for a verdict since it didn't happen. :)

They can return with a verdict quickly this morning though....preferably before nap-land calls me.

[lovelaw]

Yeah, that makes me nervous!!!

I HATE IT!~ I wanted them to look cohesive....I guess I should have known better!~

[lost indie]

WHAT?? I have no pic. of the courtroom.


It was there...the courtroom and a different judge. It's black now but my player is still running...

[Cornblossom]

YOU'RE RIGHT!~

I always listen while I'm finishing up the morning dishes, and starting a load of laundry.....etc....I'm NAUGHTY!~

:shock: what does your housekeeper do if you do all that? LMAO

[lovelaw]

morning love!!!:0012::0012:

:0012::mornincoffee:

[JoolzRoolz]

It's not so much about nervousness per se'; it's just we have been through this so many times of late and have seen the justice system fail.

I can't remember his name at the moment; but a college student, killed a young lady in her room. He is caught on video tape. His DNA is there and confesses on video tape to a sexual act on the victim; and we all know DNA convicts; and what happens; it's a hung jury by one single woman who just happens to be an engineer.

I mean it literally blows your mind. Ya know what I'm saying? I'm not expressing myself well this morning; I don;t think.

You are expressing yourself just fine :love0085: . I do understand where y'all are coming from and I know where justice should have prevailed it hasn't. BUT justice has prevailed in plenty of other cases - we have to believe this will be one of them.

Justice for Julie :1222423:

[dojewo]

live...no action but courtroom...Thanks Lost Indie.

[lovelaw]

Good morning all! I'm glad I didn't stay up waiting for a verdict since it didn't happen. :)

They can return with a verdict quickly this morning though....preferably before nap-land calls me.


LUCKY!~ Well....it was actually kind of fun!~


This morning?? I'll TAKE IT!~:basic44:


:0012:

[TigressPen]

It was there...the courtroom and a different judge. It's black now but my player is still running...



It may have been another case being heard. I hope!!