Shawna Nelson Discussion

[andersson33]

Hi everybuddy!

I thought I'd start a weekend thread. We were past 800 posts on the other one...
Have a nice night, I'll see you back here on Monday or over the weekend!

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[TigressPen]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/10831912/detail.html


911 tape and other videos here. Including arrest affidavit and images from crime scene. Powerful stuff!!!

[TigressPen]

I just watched a short video of Iggy's testimony and caught something he said. When asked about the email txt that Shawna sent to Heather, he said it was a photo of "the baby Christian' -- the baby. Not my son. That makes me mad. How cold toward his child!! And also the reporter said when she became pregnant in 04 she had an abortion. With his agreement.

Then he acted like he wanted to cry when talking about being told his wife was dead.

His father also knew he had fathered a son with Nelson.

[TigressPen]

Shawna has to be a dumb lady. I can't believe she was actually a cop's wife! She made jailhouse call to her sister, Debra Smith, on Feb. 4 and asked her to sign on to destroy internet evidence (pictures). Her sister told her she could get in trouble and apparently since no pictures from the site Pix Place had been deleted, she didn't do as Shawna asked.

[TigressPen]

Ken Nelson, Shawna's husband, had filed for divorce in 05 but they reconciled when she became pregnant (this must have been her pregnancy with Christian) ... he at that time was working for Weld Co., SO.



http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/10965727/detail.html

According to the Tribune, Weld District Attorney Ken Buck requested to withdraw from the case, citing that he "has reasonable basis to believe that the District Attorney's Office for the 19th Judicial District cannot continue to prosecute this matter."

Citing several sources, the newspaper said the reason for the withdrawal was that because it could create a conflict of interest if a Weld County prosecutor had been involved with the suspect's husband.

[TigressPen]

The story of Michelle Dawn Moore is really interesting!!

She not only conspired with Shawna but was also a Weld Co. Deputy and living with a police officer from Greeley, Timothy Young.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14650061/detail.html


Shawna's actions has changed the lives and destroyed so many.

[TigressPen]

In this article, there is info concerning Shawna's other threatening activities to rivals that she threatened to violently deal with.

Also in another instance that Nelson said she would kill the dogs of a Weld County prosecutor who was dating her husband.


http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14170355/detail.html


This woman is nutso and needed help!! I am surpried the defense isn't using the mentally ill defense. She does have issues and apparently has for a long time. She can't deal with losing!!

[lost indie]

What is it that's so "off" about Iggy? My first thought was Asperger's. He doesn't seem to be able to show proper emotional response. I've seen the term hinky to describe him but it seem like more than that to me.

And...what on earth did these women see in him? Even with some of the recent "bad guys" on trial lately....I could kind of see what the women might have found to be desirable. With Iggy I can see absolutely nothing.

[lost indie]

In this article, there is info concerning Shawna's other threatening activities to rivals that she threatened to violently deal with.

Also in another instance that Nelson said she would kill the dogs of a Weld County prosecutor who was dating her husband.


http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14170355/detail.html


This woman is nutso and needed help!! I am surpried the defense isn't using the mentally ill defense. She does have issues and apparently has for a long time. She can't deal with losing!!

Was the grim reaper mask ever found?

[TigressPen]

Was the grim reaper mask ever found?


:mornincoffee:
I don't know. But the gun wasn't. Her husband pulled her over after the shooting and it's believed he got rid of the gun. I've been reading the affidavits looking to see what all they confiscated. No mask mentioned yet that I can see. Of course, it doesn't mean it isn't listed on one of them. LOL

I'm dealing with kiddies and trying to read too.

[TigressPen]

What is it that's so "off" about Iggy? My first thought was Asperger's. He doesn't seem to be able to show proper emotional response. I've seen the term hinky to describe him but it seem like more than that to me.

And...what on earth did these women see in him? Even with some of the recent "bad guys" on trial lately....I could kind of see what the women might have found to be desirable. With Iggy I can see absolutely nothing.



I don't know if it's the cop in him or just him period. They can become rather hardened to emotions.
When he testified and acted like he was about to cry when telling of being at the hospital with his daughter and told of Heather's death, it seemed off to me. Too controlled or something. But again, that could be the cop in him.

[TigressPen]

The way the affidavit reads, they do have the mask. The Pros probably brought it out when he questioned witnesses on the stand who witnessed the shooting. The fox video wasn't all that great. We missed hearing some evidence due to that. But, Fox said they are working to improve that too. :)

[TigressPen]

I am just shocked by this woman's history of threats and that absolutely Nothing was done about it! The writing on the wall was there and this murder could have been avoided. IMO

[TigressPen]

Albert Einstein said: Life is sacred, that is to say, it is the supreme value to which all other values are subordinate.


I think people like Shawna and Mark Jensen put themself above life, and forgot that personal pleasures, wants and needs are subordinate to the lives they took and to those still living who they victimized such as the children and families, friends and all others.

[TigressPen]

Deleted this because it was a misstatement. LOL

[Baranis]

:mornincoffee:
I don't know. But the gun wasn't. Her husband pulled her over after the shooting and it's believed he got rid of the gun. I've been reading the affidavits looking to see what all they confiscated. No mask mentioned yet that I can see. Of course, it doesn't mean it isn't listed on one of them. LOL

I'm dealing with kiddies and trying to read too.

Thank you for keeping us updated. Great source of info to understand the background of this case.
I found this article[reader's digest form] that gives some more info about mask and gun.
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=64773

[awakening2lite]

I have to DITTO Baranis post. Great job Tigress and others for keeping us up to date and interested in the case.

Thanks

[TigressPen]

This case just gets more and more of a conundrum. Ken Nelson heard the call when he was at work. He and another officer, Hulsey, left the PD and headed toward Nelson's house. Enroute, they saw the truck with Shawna driving and pulled it over. Both officers exited their vehicle ( I assume a police unit) and went up to the truck. Ken began yelling at Shawna then left her with Hulsey and went to his home to check on his children.

In the meantime (while Ken was headed home) another officer arrived and found Hulsey with Shawna. He noticed the dark clothing she was wearing and that she wasn't wearing shoes.

Later, after a search warrant was granted to search Ken and Shawna's home, a pair of black shoes were found on the roadside close to the residence. These shoes are believed to belong to Shawna and are the shoes LE believes Shawna wore the night of the shooting.

However, the truck was towed after the third officer arrived where Hulsey was with Shawna. The gun wasn't found inside the vehicle. Nor was her shoes.

I'd read that it's suspected Ken got rid of the gun. But, that gun missing and Shawna's shoes being found near the residence means Shawna went back home before she was pulled over by Ken and Hulsey. So she could have gotten rid of the gun too.

Ken stated that Shawna told him she had sold it to someone. When and to whom is the question of the day. LOL

The affidavit part two lines all this out. When Ken resigned from the department, he turned his gun in along with his badge. But it wasn't the murder weapon.

[andersson33]

Hi all!

How's your Saturday treating you--so far? Well, I hope.

And TP, I so agree with what I'm reading as your sense of exasperation with "people like this."
I'm exasperated with these people, too. They are self absorbed as adolescents and teenagers are self absorbed. They are completely careless and mindless to the consequences of their selfish actions. They are everything I taught my daughter not to be, not to aim for, not to value, not to aspire to...yet here they are, and in deep trouble for an act of murder upon one of their own.
These people recognize no boundaries when it comes to getting what they want. And they sure as heck lack the ability and moral capacity to create boundaries for themselves.
So what have we here? One murdered woman, at least 2 maybe 3 (?) small children as collateral victims--and a bunch of other pseudo adults like Luigi or whoever testified yesterday (Ignasio/Iggy), all typically claiming to be the victims in this mess they created.

I don't know if there is/are any "good guys" in this scenario. I have to read more, but as soon as I begin, I get angry at the "players" all over again.

This is sort of like watching a stage play unfold, but as you sit out in the audience, you begin to wonder which character you are supposed to applaud, because all of them are equally unlikeable.

Ugh.

[Baranis]

Tigress,
Where was Michelle Moore at 6:15 pm 1/23/07? Was she babysitting?
If Shawna went back home before being pulled over, where was Shawna going?
I'm just trying to wrap my mind around the events.

[bambam]

hey peeps! i've been trying to read up on this case today.... my puter keeps acting up, i'm losing my connection over and over and over...aaarrrggghhh!!!!

[TigressPen]

Tigress,
Where was Michelle Moore at 6:15 pm 1/23/07? Was she babysitting?
If Shawna went back home before being pulled over, where was Shawna going?
I'm just trying to wrap my mind around the events.




Shawna had planned on killing Heather the day before she actually did. This is according to Michelle. Michelle was going to be at Shawna's home and Shawna was going to drug Ken with Ambien so he would be sleeping. And Michelle was going to be there with the kids while Ken slept as an alibi and say Shawna was taking a bath if anyone called. However, Heather had left work early that day and the plan fell through.

Since the murder didn't go down on 22nd., the two went out to dinner and Shawna told Michelle she was going to carry it out the next day. Shawna told her: when I call you tomorrow and tell you
I am taking a bath, you will know it is over. And Shawna did do that. Michelle knew she'd killed Heather.

IIRC Michelle was at work when Shawna killed Heather on the 23rd.

[awakening2lite]

What are the charges against Michelle?

[TigressPen]

Tigress,
Where was Michelle Moore at 6:15 pm 1/23/07? Was she babysitting?
If Shawna went back home before being pulled over, where was Shawna going?
I'm just trying to wrap my mind around the events.



I surmise that Shawna went back home after the shooting, disposed of the shoes (and possibly the gun) left and headed to the liquor store she used as an alibi.

I listened to one broadcast from last year and the reporter said Shawna's oldest child actually had his karaoke sound up high to tell Mom while she was bathing (because she'd told the kids she was going take a bath and left to shoot Heather instead) that her favorite TV show was coming on in 30 minutes. I forget the TV show's name.

[TigressPen]

What are the charges against Michelle?



Conspiracy to commit first degree murder
and
Criminal intent to commit first degree murrder

these charges stem from the 22nd intent to kill Heather .. Heather had left work early that day.

[TigressPen]

hey peeps! i've been trying to read up on this case today.... my puter keeps acting up, i'm losing my connection over and over and over...aaarrrggghhh!!!!


I know all about those aaarrrggghhhs!! I hate it when I have server problems with connection to the internet. And it does have its days! :francis:

[TigressPen]

Thank you for keeping us updated. Great source of info to understand the background of this case.
I found this article[reader's digest form] that gives some more info about mask and gun.
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=64773



You are right it is!! Thanks for finding it. I read today that TruTV
is supposed to do one of those Snapped shows from the details of it.
If they are also filming the trial too, then why can't they show it live!! :(

[Baranis]

What are the charges against Michelle?
Conspiracy. She had prior knowledge of a murder plot and to be an alibi in part of the plot.
She[26] was a Weld County Sheriffs Deputy[4 yrs] and quit in Sept. 2006.

[sciencegirl]

Hi all - Just wanted to let you know that MSNBC is having a 3 part series on right now called "When Forensic Fails". That are doing the Stallings cases coming up in their program. It's 4:30 Central Time right now.

[TigressPen]

Hi all - Just wanted to let you know that MSNBC is having a 3 part series on right now called "When Forensic Fails". That are doing the Stallings cases coming up in their program. It's 4:30 Central Time right now.



Cool!! Thanks for the heads up, SG! I can watch it while preparing dinner before the race comes on at 6:30....

[TigressPen]

Conspiracy. She had prior knowledge of a murder plot and to be an alibi.
She[26] was a Weld County Sheriffs Deputy[4 yrs] and quit in Sept. 2006.



It makes you furious doesn't it. That she talked about doing this with Shawna for weeks and didn't say a thing to her superiors. She wasn't in denial that Shawna was just all talk either!! I just get angry at how many had to know of Shawna's revenge attribute and did nothing to stop her. :mad:

[Baranis]

This is what I found about airing the program Snapped.
""Snapped" is in its sixth season and is one of Oxygen's highest rated shows, said Zudek, who expects Shawna Nelson's trial to air this summer."
Article dated 2/21/2008.
Third paragraph from the bottom.
http://www.mywindsornow.com/article/GR/20080221/NEWS/724006065/-1/nco

[Baranis]

It makes you furious doesn't it. That she talked about doing this with Shawna for weeks and didn't say a thing to her superiors. She wasn't in denial that Shawna was just all talk either!! I just get angry at how many had to know of Shawna's revenge attribute and did nothing to stop her. :mad:

Leads me to believe that Ken Nelson knew what happened from the onset of the scanner broadcast. I'm sure he heard Shawna speak about her plot.
IMO

[TigressPen]

Leads me to believe that Ken Nelson knew what happened from the onset of the scanner broadcast. I'm sure he heard Shawna speak about her plot.
IMO



He knew of her relationship with Iggy and IMO how violent she could be. For sure!! I don't know if he knew of the plotting with Michelle. Michelle was living with a Greeley PD officer too. Can you imagine how he felt when told of all this and she was arrested?

[Baranis]

He knew of her relationship with Iggy and IMO how violent she could be. For sure!! I don't know if he knew of the plotting with Michelle. Michelle was living with a Greeley PD officer too. Can you imagine how he felt when told of all this and she was arrested?

I agree, she could have kept her plot secret from Ken, but her past dealings with external marital affair should have drawn a red flag for any LE employee.
Ken must have known about Shawna seeking the sole parental rights of the child[between Iggy and Shawna]. Iggy did not recognize the child as his.
Can you imagine the heat in the household?

[TigressPen]

I agree, she could have kept her plot secret from Ken, but her past dealings with external marital affair should have drawn a red flag for any LE employee.
Ken must have known about Shawna seeking the sole parental rights of the child[between Iggy and Shawna]. Iggy did not recognize the child as his.
Can you imagine the heat in the household?



Ken did know about the child when she filed for sole custody. And also, she had a tattoo of Iggy's name on her ankle!!

[TigressPen]

This is what I found about airing the program Snapped.
""Snapped" is in its sixth season and is one of Oxygen's highest rated shows, said Zudek, who expects Shawna Nelson's trial to air this summer."
Article dated 2/21/2008.
Third paragraph from the bottom.
http://www.mywindsornow.com/article/GR/20080221/NEWS/724006065/-1/nco



I have watched Snapped quite a few times. Most of those deal with spousal or BF/GF murders.


Thanks for the article! I'll keep a look out for this one to see how well they document it. TV always adds a spin from different perspectives that makes you say, I don't remember that happening or being said that way in court.

In years to come, we will see it on justcie files and some other show format. I just feel that. LOL

[Baranis]

Ken did know about the child when she filed for sole custody. And also, she had a tattoo of Iggy's name on her ankle!!

Dang, Tigress, who needs internet dating services, just become a member of LE and let the good times roll. I'm not trying to paint a bad picture of LE agency's, but this case has many participants that have blind eyes to the obvious.
What does Shawna have to gain for seeking full custody?[relinquishing Iggy's paternal rights]

[TigressPen]

Dang, Tigress, who needs internet dating services, just become a member of LE and let the good times roll. I'm not trying to paint a bad picture of LE agency's, but this case has many participants that have blind eyes to the obvious.
What does Shawna have to gain for seeking full custody?[relinquishing Iggy's paternal rights]



IMO she did it just to be vindictive. The papers from her lawyer was asking him to relenquish all rights to the child. She'd already sent the text to Heather with Christian's pic with the message Iggy's flesh and blood.



How right you are! Who needs a dating service! :girl_haha: One is sitting in units supposedly protecting the public! It's what you call Internal. Keeping it in the family. Boys in blue family... I do have respect for cops but when a few go bad it looks bad for all. That isn't fair but it's a fact.

Iggy had told her he couldn't afford child support and wasn't paying any. Shawna wanted to keep him, to torment him, and IMO that's why she told Ken the baby was Iggy's and forced Iggy to tell Heather. When it didn't cause Heather to leave Iggy she took her revenge on Iggy a step further. Shawna knew his heart really belonged to Heather and his daughter. (That isn't to say I don't feel he has a degree of responsibility in Heather's death and that's something he has to live with the rest of his life).

Shawna and Ken were separated when she became pregnant with Christian in 05. They reconciled when Ken discovered she was pregnant. At that time I guess he assumed the child was his. Sad sad stuff. Two different LE agencies involved. Too many cops and even a prosecutor involved in this whole affair. (Ken had a relationship with the Pros)


It's better viewing than a daytime Soap Opera!! LOL

[Baranis]

Thanx Tigress,
Is it known if the child is in fact fathered by Iggy?
Sorry for all the questions. I do appreciate all your responses.

[TigressPen]

Thanx Tigress,
Is it known if the child is in fact fathered by Iggy?



So far, I haven't seen where DNA test were performed but the pic of it looks like him. Of course, that could be because I assume it's a fact.
And too, before she could get legal papers for him to relinquish rights, she'd have to prove the child was his. Or so it seems. So DNA may have been performed.

Heck! he could belong to some other cop! She had a habit of affairs! :67302:

The child is an innocent victim. Ken has the child, I think. So he must love him.

[Baranis]

The Dec 18, 2006 text message shows her[Shawna] anger and warning.
Soon Garraus[Iggy] received several text messages. One of them included a picture of Shawna's infant son, with a message underneath saying, "Ig's flesh and blood."
Another text:
"My loyalty is gone. I loved u and u f***** me. Be prepared."
Wow, is all I can say.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15385413/detail.html

[Baranis]

I was looking for the defense theory and found it.
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20080220/NEWS/900537724

"The defense argued that Nelson did have an affair with Ignacio Garraus, but on the night of the killing, she was across town, driving to the liquor store."

The defense failed to mention that SN was shoeless with holster, amunnition, black mask and dressed in dark clothing, matching vehicle fleeing the scene.

Now I can discount the holster and ammunition.[cop stuff]
Not the mask, dark clothing, being shoe less and vehicle match.

[Bernie]

Wow...I had to read up on this case ..... :INhouseReading04:....Im still not over the Jensen case :duh:.....You would think this bunch a little brighter being cops ect but guess not..:waitasec:.....:howdy:

[bambam]

:mornincoffee:

my puter was acting wacky all day yesterday... i think it needed a rest! i turned it off all night, and it seems to be much better today! lol

now maybe i can :INhouseReading04: enough to get caught up......

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[TigressPen]

Wow...I had to read up on this case ..... :INhouseReading04:....Im still not over the Jensen case :duh:.....You would think this bunch a little brighter being cops ect but guess not..:waitasec:.....:howdy:



It's hard to get over a case such as the Jensen case. He epitomizes a person with no conscience. Hopefully the sentencing on Wed will give more closure to it.

[TigressPen]

:mornincoffee:

my puter was acting wacky all day yesterday... i think it needed a rest! i turned it off all night, and it seems to be much better today! lol

now maybe i can :INhouseReading04: enough to get caught up......

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It felt the stress we all felt during Marky's trial! :67302:

[bambam]

It felt the stress we all felt during Marky's trial! :67302:

that's what i'm thinkin too! :yes2:

[TigressPen]

I was looking for the defense theory and found it.
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20080220/NEWS/900537724

"The defense argued that Nelson did have an affair with Ignacio Garraus, but on the night of the killing, she was across town, driving to the liquor store."

The defense failed to mention that SN was shoeless with holster, amunnition, black mask and dressed in dark clothing, matching vehicle fleeing the scene.

Now I can discount the holster and ammunition.[cop stuff]
Not the mask, dark clothing, being shoe less and vehicle match.



Yeah, and that's a sad sad defense. Surely she can't seriously think it's believeable since her best friend has turned state's evidence against her. And the fact that when her husband and Hulsey stopped her and the thrid officer arrived she had no shoes!! She was going in a liquor store with no shoes? Yeah, right!!

[TigressPen]

that's what i'm thinkin too! :yes2:


I hate it when I have server problems. But more when I have trouble with the computer.

[Baranis]

Yeah, and that's a sad sad defense. Surely she can't seriously think it's believeable since her best friend has turned state's evidence against her. And the fact that when her husband and Hulsey stopped her and the thrid officer arrived she had no shoes!! She was going in a liquor store with no shoes? Yeah, right!!

Michelle Moore is going to be a witness I want to see on the stand. She tried to lie in the beginning and later recanted and told the truth.

"Moore had previously told police that she had no knowledge of Shawna Nelson's alleged involvement in the killing. But on Nov. 14, Moore disclosed the new information to police. Nelson's trial was slated to begin next week, but her lawyers argued successfully to have it postponed while they studied Moore's statements."
Last paragraph.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_7519785

Check the weather history for 1/23/2007
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KAPA/2007/1/23/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

29 degrees, now that is cold for my bare feet with socks.

[Baranis]

Even if I try to remove the fact that all involved are LE, I'm still left with a bunch of idiots.
The more I read, the more I wonder, what the heck were they thinking?

ETA, Heather was not LE. She was an employee at a credit union[since 1993]. She is the only one that is not with LE.

[bambam]

wow. i just read almost everything. the 911 tape where no one was willing to do mouth to mouth or cpr is freaky.

[Baranis]

wow. i just read almost everything. the 911 tape where no one was willing to do mouth to mouth or cpr is freaky.

If I read correctly, Heather was shot twice in the head. The visual shock could have been the reason.

[TigressPen]

If I read correctly, Heather was shot twice in the head. The visual shock could have been the reason.



Yeah, the blood alone would have shock value. I don't think CPR would help at that point anyway. I looked for a autopsy report for the bullet angle and trajectory in the body evidence. But haven't discovered it on any of the sites I have read on. I hope she died instantly. The idea of her suffering is horrific to imagine.

[bambam]

If I read correctly, Heather was shot twice in the head. The visual shock could have been the reason.

yeah, im sure it was. apparently there was a lot of blood. and, it would have done no good anyway. it was just weird to listen to-- i think the 911 operator didn't know what to make of it.

[bambam]

i just have to say.... i am still finding it rather difficult to "get into" another trial... MJ still too fresh on our minds, i suppose. well, for me, anyway.....

[Baranis]

i just have to say.... i am still finding it rather difficult to "get into" another trial... MJ still too fresh on our minds, i suppose. well, for me, anyway.....

I agree, I admit, I'm a trial junkie.
:doh:

[annalyzer]

i just have to say.... i am still finding it rather difficult to "get into" another trial... MJ still too fresh on our minds, i suppose. well, for me, anyway.....

Usually a trial like this one doesn't interest me. Cut and dried we know she murdered her lover's wife. But like Friday I will have it on as background noise as I tend to mom and post when I get the chance. I'm not used to chat boards so the one they had up Friday was interesting to me for awhile.

But since there are no other live trials that I know of I guess this one will have to do. :0009:

[annalyzer]

wow. i just read almost everything. the 911 tape where no one was willing to do mouth to mouth or cpr is freaky.

Have you ever seen a photo of a person with a gunshot wound to the head/face? :a1chic:

[cavimom]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/10831912/detail.html


911 tape and other videos here. Including arrest affidavit and images from crime scene. Powerful stuff!!!

Thanks tigress cool site.. c ya all monday!

[cavimom]

But since there are no other live trials that I know of I guess this one will have to do. :0009:[/QUOTE]

I agree.. I HOPE TTV will be showing a better one but fo r now...this one it is.. LOL

[sciencegirl]

Howdy folks:basic45:

Does anyone know how long this trial is expected to last. Trying to decide if I want to read up and catch up. Also, do we know if there is going to be a live feed on Wednesday for the Jensen sentencing. TIA

[bambam]

Have you ever seen a photo of a person with a gunshot wound to the head/face? :a1chic:

i posted upthread that i'm sure it was because of all the blood, and the horror of it that no one could give mouth to mouth, and the fact that it would do no good. just seemed like the 911 operator really didn't know what to make of it, that's all. i'm sure i would've declined to do it myself--it was probably obvious that she was dead.

[bambam]

Howdy folks:basic45:

Does anyone know how long this trial is expected to last. Trying to decide if I want to read up and catch up. Also, do we know if there is going to be a live feed on Wednesday for the Jensen sentencing. TIA

yep. live feed for sentencing at 9am ct, i believe.

[StoneFox]

Howdy folks:basic45:

Does anyone know how long this trial is expected to last. Trying to decide if I want to read up and catch up. Also, do we know if there is going to be a live feed on Wednesday for the Jensen sentencing. TIA

Hi All :happy0207:

Just popping by for a quick read, then off again.

They project the Nelson trial to last 2 weeks.

[StoneFox]

I know a lot of us posted Friday that we got an icky feeling from Iggy, the husband of the deceased. I was reading some comments by locals on the Greeley Tribune site. Looks like we aren't alone in our feelings.

http://www.greeleytribune.com/section/comments?sid=200829656968

[StoneFox]

Summary of witness testimony at this page. It includes the testimony of the Heather and Iggy daughter.

http://www.greeleytribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200829656968

"Victim's 10-year-old daughter testifies

The small frame of Victoria Garraus settled in behind the microphone.

The 10-year-old resembled the photo shown earlier of her late mother, Heather Garraus, who was killed on Jan. 23, 2007.

Friday morning in Shawna Nelson's murder trial, Victoria , wearing a brown dress and white sweater, quietly spoke into the microphone about the last conversation she had with her mother.

It was just a simple question about her homework, but her mother was able to help over the phone.

Later that evening, Victoria answered a different kind of phone call. A call for her father carrying the tragic news that her mother was dead.

Victoria recounted for jurors that day's events. She testified that she spent the entire afternoon with her father, Ignacio Garraus, eating ice cream and grocery shopping. Victoria said she went home and worked on her homework while her father cooked hamburgers. When the call came, she went with her father to the scene."

[StoneFox]

A synopsis of the witness list in the Nelson trial:

A review of the witness list in Shawna Nelson's trial showed:
305 Joint prosecution and defense witnesses listed. It's likely that not all of them will testify, though.
At least 46 People who currently or formerly worked for the Greeley Police Department.
At least eight People who currently or formerly worked for the Weld County Sheriff's Office.
At least five People who were employed at the Colorado State Employee's Credit Union in Greeley at time of the shooting.
At least three Officers from other law enforcement agencies: Windsor, Fort Collins, Eaton.
At least two Prominent Greeley businessmen.
One Mayor.
Note: All figures are approximations.

[Baranis]

Time Line:
6:05pm: Shawna[alone] leaves house[6547 W. 19th St.] to travel to College Green Liquor Store[18 blocks from home] http://www.collegegreenliquor.com/vipRewards.html[4681 W. 20th St.]
Arrives at store to realize that she is without purse, returns home[another 18 blocks] to retrieve purse.

6:15pm shots fired and later Heather is pronounced dead.

6:25pm Shawna was stopped[65th Ave & 18th St.] by her husband Ken Nelson accompanied by Kell Hulsey.

6:32pm Shawna is arrested.

Here is my map of locations.
Hope this helps.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=105176568628076506337.000446ed34b976702e240&ll=40.399902,-104.730263&spn=0.10798,0.203247&z=12

[StoneFox]

Yeah, and that's a sad sad defense. Surely she can't seriously think it's believeable since her best friend has turned state's evidence against her. And the fact that when her husband and Hulsey stopped her and the thrid officer arrived she had no shoes!! She was going in a liquor store with no shoes? Yeah, right!!

Not to mention, that Winter was one of the coldest we have had in Colorado in a while. I checked the weather for January 23, 2007. Around the time Heather was murdered, the temperature was 26 degrees. By the time Nelson was arrested, it had dropped to it had dropped to 19 degrees. I doubt seriously she went to the liquor store barefoot, or any place barefoot at that time of the year.

[Baranis]

Travel time between Shawna's house to Credit Union.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=8940866053267156153,40.397549,-104.697647&saddr=6547+w+19th+st&daddr=2505+11th+Ave+%4040.397549,-104.697647&mra=cc&dirflg=h&sll=40.400975,-104.742175&sspn=0.053989,0.101624&ie=UTF8&z=13

ETA, she never stopped or went to the liquor store. I question her time of departure to liquor store.
IMO

[bambam]

Travel time between Shawna's house to Credit Union.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=8940866053267156153,40.397549,-104.697647&saddr=6547+w+19th+st&daddr=2505+11th+Ave+%4040.397549,-104.697647&mra=cc&dirflg=h&sll=40.400975,-104.742175&sspn=0.053989,0.101624&ie=UTF8&z=13

ETA, she never stopped or went to the liquor store. I question her time of departure to liquor store.
IMO

yeah, i was trying to figure out if she actually went to the LQ store... at least ONE time, to help establish her alibi.. like did she walk in the store, and then act like she forgot her purse?? and then leave to go do the deed? cos it seems that i read somewhere that she went to the LQ store at 6:05pm????? anyway, LQ stores such as that one usually have cameras, so it would be easy to check if she ever did go the first time. but i don't think she did. her story is such a crock!! i mean they've got witnesses that it was a female voice that said "get on your knees" and that it was her same build.... and she sped off in a truck that fits the description that ppl gave!! sheesh! plus she had already told her friend that she was gonna do it... with that code thing about "taking a bath".... geeeezzz , that doesn't even cover alot more stuff... like the clothes she was wearing, etc..... this is a total no-brainer!! the def must have NOTHING to work with!!

[Baranis]

BamBam, her original alibi was Michelle Moore. When prior plan failed, Shawna went into just do it and make up things for false alibi's. Busted big time.
I wondered about the Liquor store and it appears that this store would have a sign reading, no shirt, no shoes, no service. Package[hard liquor] stores are strict.

[awakening2lite]

Do the liquor store have cameras in the parking lot? That seems to be fairly common anymore.

[Baranis]

Do the liquor store have cameras in the parking lot? That seems to be fairly common anymore.

http://www.collegegreenliquor.com/vipRewards.html

This store appears to be high end. If not parking lot cams but at least entry cams.
JMO.

[Baranis]

Did my maps help?
It seems that Shawna needed to show her time as innocent. Such as going to Liquor store and have to go back home only to return. Look at the map, odd that the liquor store is mid line between crime scene and home. Hence her statement that she had forgot her purse.

[TigressPen]

Travel time between Shawna's house to Credit Union.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=8940866053267156153,40.397549,-104.697647&saddr=6547+w+19th+st&daddr=2505+11th+Ave+%4040.397549,-104.697647&mra=cc&dirflg=h&sll=40.400975,-104.742175&sspn=0.053989,0.101624&ie=UTF8&z=13

ETA, she never stopped or went to the liquor store. I question her time of departure to liquor store.
IMO



When Shawna left the crime scene she ran west then south, got into the truck and drove off south. When she was arrested, she was on 20th Street near a house. Whether that house was near her own, I don't know. The Liquor Store is 4681 W. 20th... at the corner of 47th Ave... Interesting.


I read a lot yesterday but couldn't find exactly where they found the shoes, just that they were near her house.

[TigressPen]

Time Line:
6:05pm: Shawna[alone] leaves house[6547 W. 19th St.] to travel to College Green Liquor Store[18 blocks from home] http://www.collegegreenliquor.com/vipRewards.html[4681 W. 20th St.]
Arrives at store to realize that she is without purse, returns home[another 18 blocks] to retrieve purse.

6:15pm shots fired and later Heather is pronounced dead.

6:25pm Shawna was stopped[65th Ave & 18th St.] by her husband Ken Nelson accompanied by Kell Hulsey.

6:32pm Shawna is arrested.

Here is my map of locations.
Hope this helps.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=105176568628076506337.000446ed34b976702e240&ll=40.399902,-104.730263&spn=0.10798,0.203247&z=12



You know, the affidavit says Shawna was taken in the night of the shooting and the truck was towed. And article I read stated: Police found the suspected shooter in her car outside a home on 20th Street and booked her into the Weld County Jail overnight.

Something is off with all these stops. Where she was when Ken and Husley stopped her - And where she was when she was arrested. (And she never left that scene because Husley stayed with her)

[TigressPen]

Summary of witness testimony at this page. It includes the testimony of the Heather and Iggy daughter.

http://www.greeleytribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200829656968

"Victim's 10-year-old daughter testifies

The small frame of Victoria Garraus settled in behind the microphone.

The 10-year-old resembled the photo shown earlier of her late mother, Heather Garraus, who was killed on Jan. 23, 2007.

Friday morning in Shawna Nelson's murder trial, Victoria , wearing a brown dress and white sweater, quietly spoke into the microphone about the last conversation she had with her mother.

It was just a simple question about her homework, but her mother was able to help over the phone.

Later that evening, Victoria answered a different kind of phone call. A call for her father carrying the tragic news that her mother was dead.

Victoria recounted for jurors that day's events. She testified that she spent the entire afternoon with her father, Ignacio Garraus, eating ice cream and grocery shopping. Victoria said she went home and worked on her homework while her father cooked hamburgers. When the call came, she went with her father to the scene."



You know what is sad about the child's testimony to me. She was testifying for her father more than against Shawna. She told them what she and her dad had done all day, and that he was home with her cooking hamburgers when the call came in. Alibi for him.

[TigressPen]

I am ready for this trial to commence because I want to know more about all the internal situations with Shawna. I feel it is a shame that her lawyer went with the she was at liquor store when the shooting went down and not a mental defense. But, I guess Shawna insisted she was innocent and then when Michelle came clean about the plot to kill Heather, he was stuck with it.


I hope she gets a good defense. Her lawyer was rather monotone Friday and didn't seem real impassioned about the defense to me. I don't think they ever looked at anyone but her as the suspect, and that may bite them in behind too. It'll be interesting to see if this case heats up.

[annalyzer]

Morning everyone. I'll be at the hospital most of the day. Mom has pneumonia in one lung and was admitted yesterday. Say a prayer for her please. :love0085:

[TigressPen]

Morning everyone. I'll be at the hospital most of the day. Mom has pneumonia in one lung and was admitted yesterday. Say a prayer for her please. :love0085:



The flu and pneumonia is bad this year. I will say a prayer for your mother and do hope she is better before day is over! :1222423:

[tbrito1]

The flu and pneumonia is bad this year. I will say a prayer for your mother and do hope she is better before day is over! :1222423:

good morning everyone. I'm watching the sentencing of bobby cutts right now so i'll be back as soon as it's over.:happy0207:

[StoneFox]

Morning everyone. I'll be at the hospital most of the day. Mom has pneumonia in one lung and was admitted yesterday. Say a prayer for her please. :love0085:

Prayers for mom and you annalyzer :1222423:

[tbrito1]

Prayers for mom and you annalyzer :1222423:

morning stone. where is everyone? i created a new thread for today but noone's here yet??:0009:

[TigressPen]

Prayers for mom and you annalyzer :1222423:



StoneFox, all the links provided by you and Harlett have been on tremendous help studying the background of this case. Thanks for sharing all of them with us!!!

I do hope the video feed is better today. We missed testimony Friday due to the constant buffering. Wish they were on YouTube!! Or one of the sites.

[TigressPen]

morning stone. where is everyone? i created a new thread for today but noone's here yet??:0009:



I am headed there now!! Didn't see it.

[tbrito1]

I am headed there now!! Didn't see it.

it was there but someone deleted it?? WHY??

[TigressPen]

it was there but someone deleted it?? WHY??


This one has been retitled. Probably because it has so few comments on it.

[StoneFox]

I caught a snippet of the local news this morning. I think I heard them say Moore and Ken Nelson would testify today. Not totally sure about it, but I am interested to hear Moore testify. She knows the motive and all the facts that led up to Heather's murder.

OMG!! LKBaden on with B&P this morning. I was hoping I would never have to hear her voice again.

[StoneFox]

morning stone. where is everyone? i created a new thread for today but noone's here yet??:0009:

Cool, I'll be right over there. I didn't notice it when I logged on this morning.

ETA: Never mind...I just read back. Will stay here.

[mitch]

good morning everyone. hope the camera and the sound works better today on this trail.
i am watching Bcutts sentencing and LKB is on B&P

[tbrito1]

This one has been retitled. Probably because it has so few comments on it.

your right, just got a pm from the moderator because it hasn't reached 800 posts, no new thread can be created yet.

[StoneFox]

StoneFox, all the links provided by you and Harlett have been on tremendous help studying the background of this case. Thanks for sharing all of them with us!!!

I do hope the video feed is better today. We missed testimony Friday due to the constant buffering. Wish they were on YouTube!! Or one of the sites.

I agree about the quality of the feed. Hopefully they have worked out some of the bugs and it will be better for us today.

[dojewo]

Morning everyone. I'll be at the hospital most of the day. Mom has pneumonia in one lung and was admitted yesterday. Say a prayer for her please. :love0085:Morning everyone, Anna, sorry to hear about the pneumonia but I'm sure they will take great care of her in the hospital. Still sending prayers your way.:1222423:

[StoneFox]

good morning everyone. hope the camera and the sound works better today on this trail.
i am watching Bcutts sentencing and LKB is on B&P

Did LKB get an eye lift and a nose job? She looks more pulled together, if you know what I mean. :girl_haha:

[dojewo]

Does anyone know how long this trial will last? Did they give any timeline?

[tbrito1]

Does anyone know how long this trial will last? Did they give any timeline?

i think they said it's expected to last 15 days...

[mitch]

Did LKB get an eye lift and a nose job? She looks more pulled together, if you know what I mean. :girl_haha:


thats what i think, she actually looks good, not over pulled or what ever it is they do when they look like plastic.

[dojewo]

i think they said it's expected to last 15 days...Well I have to do a little more reading to catch up then.

[StoneFox]

Does anyone know how long this trial will last? Did they give any timeline?

estimate it at 2 weeks, 15 days.

[StoneFox]

thats what i think, she actually looks good, not over pulled or what ever it is they do when they look like plastic.

All that time around the beautiful people in L.A. got to her. Well, except for PPie and that other orange woman Hayes. :basic45:

[dojewo]

estimate it at 2 weeks, 15 days.Thanks Stonefox, I hope I can join you for some of it

[kindee]

good morning everyone. I'm watching the sentencing of bobby cutts right now so i'll be back as soon as it's over.:happy0207:




me too, and me too! :girl_haha:

[StoneFox]

Thanks Stonefox, I hope I can join you for some of it

I hope so too dojewo. Always a pleasure to post with you. :0012:

[mitch]

is it live yet?

[tbrito1]

me too, and me too! :girl_haha:

Kindee, I just posted asking if you were here?

http://media.myfoxcleveland.com/cutts/trial.html

[tbrito1]

is it live yet?

not yet....

http://media.myfoxcolorado.com/live/index2.html

[dojewo]

I hope so too dojewo. Always a pleasure to post with you. :0012:
I'm over watching the Bobby Cutts sentencing also to many things to do in one day. LOL

[tbrito1]

not yet....

http://media.myfoxcolorado.com/live/index2.html

we are live

[mitch]

not yet....

http://media.myfoxcolorado.com/live/index2.html

hi ya TBrito i thought it started at 8 30 mountain time

oh i see live shot of the court room

[tbrito1]

hi ya TBrito i thought it started at 8 30 mountain time

oh i see live shot of the court room

Hi Mitch, i'm getting so confused, i have the bobby cutts trial, shawna and help find the missing board up!!!! YIKES!!! I"M AT WORK!!!! :0doh:

[mitch]

Hi Mitch, i'm getting so confused, i have the bobby cutts trial, shawna and help find the missing board up!!!! YIKES!!! I"M AT WORK!!!! :0doh:

lmao i'm watching Bcutts on TTv so i paused it.

i watched MJ along with DMack streaming at the same time oh my that made me crazy.

[kindee]

Kindee, I just posted asking if you were here?

http://media.myfoxcleveland.com/cutts/trial.html




I have both feeds live but I think I'll stay here for this one. :happy0207:


oh yeah, I just posted on that chatboard in Greeley. HEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[TigressPen]

Hi Mitch, i'm getting so confused, i have the bobby cutts trial, shawna and help find the missing board up!!!! YIKES!!! I"M AT WORK!!!! :0doh:



We are live and they are showing crime scene evidence video and explaining the streets etc...

[bambam]

:mornincoffee:

hey all, i'm not quite here yet... but plan to be shortly....

[Baranis]

We are live and they are showing crime scene evidence video and explaining the streets etc...

There is l lot of snow on the ground.

[kindee]

We are live and they are showing crime scene evidence video and explaining the streets etc...




I know there is no good place to be murdered but what a cold, dark, lonely place to be killed...:0001:

[TigressPen]

I know there is no good place to be murdered but what a cold, dark, lonely place to be killed...:0001:



Yep. The tire track looks perfectly imprinted in the snow. Did you see the large pool of blood?

[kindee]

Yep. The tire track looks perfectly imprinted in the snow. Did you see the large pool of blood?




OOOOH yes. Horrifying. Did those tire tracks lead to anything?

[Baranis]

Yep. The tire track looks perfectly imprinted in the snow. Did you see the large pool of blood?


Yes, perfect sample for tire track impression.

Here is a back up live feed.
http://mfile.akamai.com/12930/live/reflector:59818.asx

[Cornblossom]

anyone else getting a reporter standing around but court voices?:mornincoffee:

[bambam]

ok why is there a news guy on the screen while we hear testimony? and then i can hear both of them talking at once... are my feeds messed up? or what? sorry i just sat down and pulled this up

[Baranis]

ok why is there a news guy on the screen while we hear testimony? and then i can hear both of them talking at once... are my feeds messed up? or what? sorry i just sat down and pulled this up

Try this link
http://mfile.akamai.com/12930/live/reflector:59818.asx

[kindee]

anyone else getting a reporter standing around but court voices?:mornincoffee:




yeah, they seem to be trying to broadcast 2 things at once. :mornincoffee:

[TigressPen]

OOOOH yes. Horrifying. Did those tire tracks lead to anything?



They were headed south and that was the route the shooter drove when leaving the crime scene. I assume they proved they were of the same tires on Ken and Shawna's truck. This is the CSI guy, I think Reidel called him Keller, not sure because sound wasn't good.

[TigressPen]

We can't see the evidence because of the reporter still standing and waiting outside to give an update. They aren't doing well with switch overs. LOL

[mitch]

mark or whatever his name is over on the live chat explained that they will be interupting live feeds throughout the day for live news updates.

check check check check. lmao

[mitch]

did you all see dude vanish into thin air?

[TigressPen]

yeah, they seem to be trying to broadcast 2 things at once. :mornincoffee:



DNA also ties her to the crime!! She is a goner for sure if that is fact.

[Cornblossom]

that reporter should take lessons from Jean or beth

[kindee]

They were headed south and that was the route the shooter drove when leaving the crime scene. I assume they proved they were of the same tires on Ken and Shawna's truck. This is the CSI guy, I think Reidel called him Keller, not sure because sound wasn't good.




They looked good enough to match to a specific car or truck.

[kindee]

that reporter should take lessons from Jean or beth




I kind of felt sorry for him standing out there all alone. :girl_haha:

[kindee]

DNA also ties her to the crime!! She is a goner for sure if that is fact.





woooooooops.

[Cornblossom]

did you all see dude vanish into thin air?kinda skeery wasn't it LMAO

[mitch]

kinda skeery wasn't it LMAO

yeah it was.

very strange they way they did that.

[bambam]

they think you're her friend, kindee lmao

[kindee]

kinda skeery wasn't it LMAO



How do you think HE feels about now? :girl_haha:

[TigressPen]

You know, if Ken actually did reach most of his body inside the truck when he pulled Shawna over as the HS kid said, he would've gotten residue from the gun on him and his clothes if he took it from her. She wore gloves and it'd be on those also, I think.

[mitch]

they think you're her friend, kindee lmao

lmao yeah kindee why you so defensive for her?

you playing JFlo today or what.:girl_haha:

[kindee]

they think you're her friend, kindee lmao




THEY think she WANTED to get caught on purpose. That's goofy.

[kindee]

lmao yeah kindee why you so defensive for her?

you playing JFlo today or what.:girl_haha:




I don't know when or how I got defensive for her. :francis: Maybe it's my Monday Morning Muahaha! :grin:

[bambam]

i have no coffee, this sux.... i can't wake up

[mitch]

i have no coffee, this sux.... i can't wake up


i only had yuban this morning which is almost as bad as none.

[mitch]

I don't know when or how I got defensive for her. :francis: Maybe it's my Monday Morning Muahaha! :grin:

they just haven't watched enough trials to know that defendants are idiots and the things they do are mind boggling.

like MMG putting DH into her own matching kenneth cole.:girl_haha:

[bambam]

i only had yuban this morning which is almost as bad as none.

im gonna head out to the store to get some, i can't take it!

:0012:BRB!

[Cornblossom]

How do you think HE feels about now? :girl_haha:
he's out there in Cyberland LMAO

[Cornblossom]

THEY think she WANTED to get caught on purpose. That's goofy.maybe thin air makes em think that way LMAO

[TigressPen]

Here we go. Someone else left tracks etc and did the dirty deed!! Strobel is on a you didn't investigate anything but any one that led away from Shawna role. Attack Investigations defense. LOL

[TigressPen]

maybe thin air makes em think that way LMAO



Sounds like fans of defendant. LOL

[kindee]

maybe thin air makes em think that way LMAO




Sometimes people take the obvious and just twist it into balloon animals.

IF she wanted to get caught, she should be yelling I'M GUILTY AND PROUD OF IT! right about now...

[kindee]

they just haven't watched enough trials to know that defendants are idiots and the things they do are mind boggling.

like MMG putting DH into her own matching kenneth cole.:girl_haha:




Yeah, maybe it's their first trial.

[awakening2lite]

Hi Everyone!!!

Prayers go out to Anna and her mom.

[mitch]

is this a DP trial?

[kindee]

is this a DP trial?




I think not.

[Cornblossom]

they sure don't keep witnesses on the stand very long do they?

[StoneFox]

Sometimes people take the obvious and just twist it into balloon animals.

IF she wanted to get caught, she should be yelling I'M GUILTY AND PROUD OF IT! right about now...

:girl_haha: yeah, she wouldn't be saying she was going to the liquor store barefoot in 19 degree temperature. The only thing on her mind was she WANTED Iggy. With Heather out of the way, she thought she had him.

WHY anybody would want a cheating man is beyond me. Oh, that's right, she was a cheating woman. How silly of me to forget. :duh:

[shortcake]

they sure don't keep witnesses on the stand very long do they?

Good Morning Ladies! Anything interesting this morning? I'm multitasking with corresponding between lawyers, drs. and such this morning. Haven't been able to focus on anything here!

[TigressPen]

Sad that Shawna ruined her life by killing Heather. She dispatched for 13 years.

She ruined numerous other lives with her actions that night too.

[mitch]

shawna is a nut job, no doubt about that.

but IMO iggy started this whole mess into play.

to bad his wife payed the price.

[TigressPen]

Good Morning Ladies! Anything interesting this morning? I'm multitasking with corresponding between lawyers, drs. and such this morning. Haven't been able to focus on anything here!



We've heard from Crime scene investigator, and a video of the scene and evidence, including a perfect set of tire tracks. We've heard defense ask about other tracks and attempt to downplay Shawna's truck tracks.

Lead investigator on stand now.

ETA: we also saw a pool of blood and other evidence like the shell casings, her purse etc...

[kindee]

:girl_haha: yeah, she wouldn't be saying she was going to the liquor store barefoot in 19 degree temperature. The only thing on her mind was she WANTED Iggy. With Heather out of the way, she thought she had him.

WHY anybody would want a cheating man is beyond me. Oh, that's right, she was a cheating woman. How silly of me to forget. :duh:



WAIT WAIT WAIT she was barefoot?

[kindee]

they sure don't keep witnesses on the stand very long do they?




No they move right along!

[TigressPen]

shawna is a nut job, no doubt about that.

but IMO iggy started this whole mess into play.

to bad his wife payed the price.



I don't think Iggy thought during the time he was with her that she'd resort to murder of Heather but I do believe he, her husband and numerous others knew she had a propensity for violence. They had too see that since she had sent hateful and threatening text messages in the past. Including one to Ken's ex GF, a prosecutor, that she'd kill her dogs.

[TigressPen]

WAIT WAIT WAIT she was barefoot?



yes, they found a pair of black shoes believed to be hers on the roadside near her home. She was barefoot when Ken and Hulsey pulled her over and when she was arrested.

[kindee]

yes, they found a pair of black shoes believed to be hers on the roadside near her home. She was barefoot when Ken and Hulsey pulled her over and when she was arrested.




hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm going to the liquor store barefoot?

no way jose (cuervo)!

[shortcake]

We've heard from Crime scene investigator, and a video of the scene and evidence, including a perfect set of tire tracks. We've heard defense ask about other tracks and attempt to downplay Shawna's truck tracks.

Lead investigator on stand now.

ETA: we also saw a pool of blood and other evidence like the shell casings, her purse etc...

Thanks, Tig! I'm trying to watch now, but I'm sure I'll get pulled away again soon! Everything just seemed to move so slow on Friday.

[TigressPen]

The clock on the wall behind witness chair is giving me flashbacks!! LOL

[TigressPen]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm going to the liquor store barefoot?

no way jose (cuervo)!


My thoughts were Yeah, Right!! LOL I'm wondering if the liquor store has video of that night. It's a nice store. Baranis put up a pic of it.

[bambam]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm going to the liquor store barefoot?

no way jose (cuervo)!

maybe she was going to the drive-thru lol

[StoneFox]

WAIT WAIT WAIT she was barefoot?

:yes2: yeppers, when she was arrested.

[bambam]

was she barefoot, or wearing socks??? which would be even weirder! wait, how cold was it outside???? and NO shoes, huh?? okie dokie

[kindee]

My thoughts were Yeah, Right!! LOL I'm wondering if the liquor store has video of that night. It's a nice store. Baranis put up a pic of it.




She never got there.

[TigressPen]

maybe she was going to the drive-thru lol



I don't see a drive-thru but it could be in back. LOL


http://www.collegegreenliquor.com/vipRewards.html

[StoneFox]

shawna is a nut job, no doubt about that.

but IMO iggy started this whole mess into play.

to bad his wife payed the price.

I think Iggy plays right in to the nut job category too, maybe not as much over the edge.

You're right mitch, if not for Iggy's actions, his wife would still be alive and his daughter would still have a mother.

[bambam]

if they had a camera in the parking lot, they would be able to see if she even drove up (the first alleged time) when she oops, forgot her purse!

[StoneFox]

I can't believe they have 48 LE on the witness list in this trial. That is way over the top, IMO.

[TigressPen]

She never got there.



She said she did but realized she didn't have her purse so was going back home to get it.

[kindee]

was she barefoot, or wearing socks??? which would be even weirder! wait, how cold was it outside???? and NO shoes, huh?? okie dokie


I think they said 17 degrees or so? In the video there is snow all over.

[bambam]

I don't see a drive-thru but it could be in back. LOL


http://www.collegegreenliquor.com/vipRewards.html

that's the ONLY way i go to the LQ store! usually in my pj's!! drive-thru only!!

:kidding-01:about the pj part!

[kindee]

I don't see a drive-thru but it could be in back. LOL


http://www.collegegreenliquor.com/vipRewards.html




She was gonna drive through? :a1chic::party52::a1chic:

[bambam]

i have coffee now... everything will be A-OK!! lol

[StoneFox]

I don't see a drive-thru but it could be in back. LOL


http://www.collegegreenliquor.com/vipRewards.html

I don't think that location would have a drive-thru. It is in a strip mall. Their would have to be a street on the back side of the strip for it to have a drive-thru.

[TigressPen]

I can't believe they have 48 LE on the witness list in this trial. That is way over the top, IMO.



I think they not only are prosecuting her but defending Ken too... up his credibility as a witness against her. And defending Iggy too. Hence the daughter's testimony (Iggy's) of her dad being at home with her and that he was grilling burgers when they got the call about her mother.

[bambam]

I don't think that location would have a drive-thru. It is in a strip mall. Their would have to be a street on the back side of the strip for it to have a drive-thru.

it looks like a pretty large store! seems like it's the smaller stores that have a drive-thru...hmm it's possible that it does... but doesn't look like it would. it doesn't matter.. we know she didn't go there!!! lol

[kindee]

I think they not only are prosecuting her but defending Ken too... up his credibility as a witness against her. And defending Iggy too. Hence the daughter's testimony (Iggy's) of her dad being at home with her and that he was grilling burgers when they got the call about her mother.




That's all true. I think the defense is definitely pointing fingers right back at IG.

It won't work but it could muddy the waters I suppose.

[mitch]

it looks like a pretty large store! seems like it's the smaller stores that have a drive-thru...hmm it's possible that it does... but doesn't look like it would. it doesn't matter.. we know she didn't go there!!! lol

running to store for ciggys
BRB

[TigressPen]

I think they said 17 degrees or so? In the video there is snow all over.



Baranis checked the weather map for that night and said it was around 29 degrees. With wind chill, no way would she be sock footed or barefooted. Unless she is totally wacked out.

[bambam]

Baranis checked the weather map for that night and said it was around 29 degrees. With wind chill, no way would she be sock footed or barefooted. Unless she is totally wacked out.

i think it's safe to say that she's one wacked out beeeotch!! look what she did!!!!! she's a friggin' NUT case!!!

[TigressPen]

That's all true. I think the defense is definitely pointing fingers right back at IG.

It won't work but it could muddy the waters I suppose.


Seems like something is working around town, the way some folks on fox chat are talking about how she could be innocent!!

At least that is how I have viewed some of their comments. I don't buy it. Too much pointing finger at her. Including her best friend. So unless best friend did it, and she transported her there, Shawna is Guilty!!

[kindee]

I don't think that location would have a drive-thru. It is in a strip mall. Their would have to be a street on the back side of the strip for it to have a drive-thru.




That is the lamest alibi I ever heard even IF it were true. Which it ain't. imo.

[bambam]

there's NO WAY this chick is innocent!! no way, i tell ya!!!

[bambam]

HEY!! tbrito!!! where you at????!!

[TigressPen]

i think it's safe to say that she's one wacked out beeeotch!! look what she did!!!!! she's a friggin' NUT case!!!



And they really should've gone for nut case defense! This one about going to buy beer isn't making the grade!!

[bambam]

i need some sympathy ya'll... im in a yucky situation today!!! dh's truck is broke down, he had to take my car to work!!! i have no way out for the rest of the day!!!! waaaaa!!

[bambam]

And they really should've gone for nut case defense! This one about going to buy beer isn't making the grade!!

just goes to show ya... LOVE makes ppl CRAZY!!! she was a "great" dispatcher! that's what the guy said!! she musta had a lil bit of sense!

[kindee]

And they really should've gone for nut case defense! This one about going to buy beer isn't making the grade!!




If she hadn't planned this for days or weeks, and hadn't involved her best friend and others (and made threats to the victim on the record) it might have flown.

She IS not very bright, and "thought" (though it's a dumb plan) she might get away with it. She didn't get out of the area before everyone in town knew it was her.

[kindee]

i need some sympathy ya'll... im in a yucky situation today!!! dh's truck is broke down, he had to take my car to work!!! i have no way out for the rest of the day!!!! waaaaa!!




awwwwww RATS, that's the worst. I hate cars.

[mitch]

back right in time.

[Cornblossom]

i need some sympathy ya'll... im in a yucky situation today!!! dh's truck is broke down, he had to take my car to work!!! i have no way out for the rest of the day!!!! waaaaa!!did you tell him walking wasn't crowded? LMAO :kidding-01:

[bambam]

here's a lil secret for ya... i am POOKIE!! lol

[mitch]

mr mitcht takes my car on days when he is doesn't need his tools. i secretly love it because it gives me an excuse not to go out.

[bambam]

did you tell him walking wasn't crowded? LMAO :kidding-01:

corn i tried!! i would've taken him, but he has to drive around during the day... so there was no way!!

[bambam]

mr mitcht takes my car on days when he is doesn't need his tools. i secretly love it because it gives me an excuse not to go out.

my dh needs his tools too! so i don't know what the heck he's doin in my car!! he better not put his nasty tools in my car!! lol

[dojewo]

here's a lil secret for ya... i am POOKIE!! lol
LOL, I had no idea, but I knew that you must have known me.

[bambam]

LOL, I had no idea, but I knew that you must have known me.

lol i love the "pookie" nic!! haha, i need to register it at IS-- wait, i tried already, and it was taken!! lol

[mitch]

my dh needs his tools too! so i don't know what the heck he's doin in my car!! he better not put his nasty tools in my car!! lol

i feel you. there is nothing worse then going grocery shopping and opening up my trunk and it is full of samples and tools.

oh i get so pissed.

but since my car is a little volovo and great on gas, it sure saves us a ton on gas.

[dojewo]

lol i love the "pookie" nic!! haha, i need to register it at IS-- wait, i tried already, and it was taken!! lolTry Pookie2

[bambam]

i feel you. there is nothing worse then going grocery shopping and opening up my trunk and it is full of samples and tools.

oh i get so pissed.

but since my car is a little volovo and great on gas, it sure saves us a ton on gas.

oh i know! i used to have a volvo and i loved it!! now i have a camry, and i love it too!! lol

[StoneFox]

it looks like a pretty large store! seems like it's the smaller stores that have a drive-thru...hmm it's possible that it does... but doesn't look like it would. it doesn't matter.. we know she didn't go there!!! lol

I just sent them an email asking about drive-thru service and serveillance cameras. I'll let ya'll know if they reply.

:0012:

[bambam]

Try Pookie2

yep, or spelling it different.. pooky, pookee you know!! lol

[bambam]

I just sent them an email asking about drive-thru service and serveillance cameras. I'll let ya'll know if they reply.

:0012:

well cool beans fox! good idea!

[kindee]

here's a lil secret for ya... i am POOKIE!! lol





pookie bam! :girl_haha:

[bambam]

pookie bam! :girl_haha:

lol POOKIE BAM!! how SILLY is that??? :67302:

[mitch]

oh i know! i used to have a volvo and i loved it!! now i have a camry, and i love it too!! lol

lol is you husband in construction.

if yes when you open up the door to his truck does shit just come falling out. and does it stink?

[dojewo]

pookie bam! :girl_haha:I like that one!

[StoneFox]

She never went in the liquor store per this guy's testimony. Guess that answers the question about it being a drive-thru. She forgot her purse...SURE!

[StoneFox]

She is a cool fish in this LE video they are showing.

[bambam]

lol is you husband in construction.

if yes when you open up the door to his truck does shit just come falling out. and does it stink?

omg yes!! he is a contractor!! and YES, when i open the door to his van... EVERYTHING starts falling out!! and it stinks!!! sometimes i work with him.... so i know a lil bout it!! lol:67302:

[kindee]

lol POOKIE BAM!! how SILLY is that??? :67302:




Sounds like a name for a widdle wuv bug! :love0085:


A chatter just said NO drive through on that particular store.

Go figger. :girl_haha:

[kindee]

She is a cool fish in this LE video they are showing.




guess she DIDN't want to get caught after all!

[mitch]

She is a cool fish in this LE video they are showing.


i can't really see her in the video, but her voice sounds like she is one cold fish. can you actually see her in the video.

[kindee]

She never went in the liquor store per this guy's testimony. Guess that answers the question about it being a drive-thru. She forgot her purse...SURE!



no purse
no shoes
got mask, though, and GUN! hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Maybe she did think she could pull this off and run home without anyone knowing she'd left home?

[bambam]

is this vid just of her sitting there?? i guess so... i left the room, dh came back!! lol she is saying "ohhh god" isn't she????

[TigressPen]

is this vid just of her sitting there?? i guess so... i left the room, dh came back!! lol she is saying "ohhh god" isn't she????



Acting for the camera!!!

[StoneFox]

i can't really see her in the video, but her voice sounds like she is one cold fish. can you actually see her in the video.

only when she moved her head.

[StoneFox]

no purse
no shoes
got mask, though, and GUN! hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Maybe she did think she could pull this off and run home without anyone knowing she'd left home?

yeah, she planned that out really good, didn't she? not the brightest bulb on the tree it seems. :a1chic:

[shortcake]

good grief! is this gonna be as long as Jensen's video? sure not as interesting yet.

[mitch]

only when she moved her head.

now i can see her a little better. i wish i coudl actually see her face and expression. she's a nut case.

[bambam]

she's a pretty cool customer for someone who just cold blooded murdered! yikes!

[kindee]

Acting for the camera!!!




Oh yes, she knows this drill.

[kindee]

yeah, she planned that out really good, didn't she? not the brightest bulb on the tree it seems. :a1chic:




No she's not. It does make you wonder WHY she thought she could get away with this lame brained scheme.

[StoneFox]

No she's not. It does make you wonder WHY she thought she could get away with this lame brained scheme.

:girl_haha: because lame-brained people think everybody is as lame-brained as they are.

oh, she is waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh now.

[TigressPen]

only when she moved her head.



I have the media player feed up and you can see better. It's fuzzy but a larger picture.

[shortcake]

Oh my goodness! She said, "if it starts getting FUNKY" she'll ask for an attorney. What's with that word with these nutcases?

[StoneFox]

she's a pretty cool customer for someone who just cold blooded murdered! yikes!

now that she is being going to be detained, she is getting nervous and scared, but you are right, she is one cold fish. one would think she would be seeing poor heather's face and bloody body, but no, she is all about herself.

[bambam]

so she was "on the road" when she realized she didn't have her purse?? is that what she said??

[StoneFox]

Oh my goodness! She said, "if it starts getting FUNKY" she'll ask for an attorney. What's with that word with these nutcases?

:67302: must be their 'funky' state of mind.

[TigressPen]

No, who was I suppose to have shot!! Nothing! She is acting!

[bambam]

heeeere she goes.....waaaaaaaaaaaa

[StoneFox]

I have the media player feed up and you can see better. It's fuzzy but a larger picture.

I started using media player too. Yes, a much better picture and you can enlarge it to see things better. I think I will stick with it.

Thanks for the recommendation. :zm10:

[TigressPen]

so she was "on the road" when she realized she didn't have her purse?? is that what she said??



She said she went to liquor store, got out and realized she didn't have her purse and was headed back home for it when Ken stopped her.

[TigressPen]

She also left her small children alone to go do this murder. Or as she claims go to liquor store!!

[kindee]

:girl_haha: because lame-brained people think everybody is as lame-brained as they are.

oh, she is waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh now.




Truer words were never typed!


Does anyone know how old the kids were she left at home alone on her barefooted beer run that freezing night?

[bambam]

wha?? i missed it. something about green peppers and mushrooms... making me hungry!! lol

[TigressPen]

Now she says she didn't get out truck!

[TigressPen]

wha?? i missed it. something about green peppers and mushrooms... making me hungry!! lol



After she picked up subway for kids, she went to store to purchase foods for her diet. Guess that was green peppers and mushrooms. The ol' I have a headache and don't feel like cooking excuse!! LOL

[TigressPen]

I wish we had a hardcopy of this interview.

[Cornblossom]

Oh my goodness! She said, "if it starts getting FUNKY" she'll ask for an attorney. What's with that word with these nutcases?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUm6TCbEK0g