Darren Mack Trial: [UPDATE] To Be on DATELINE 7/11

[animallady]

Welcome All. I think that we will really enjoy this board!!! I've been told that if there is interest in this thread, we will be given a forum. So, come on over.:basic44: animallady

[TobyTiger]

Welcome All. I think that we will really enjoy this board!!! I've been told that if there is interest in this thread, we will be given a forum. So, come on over.:basic44: animallady
THANK YOU!

JANUARY HEARING SET FOR MOTION TO WITHDRAW MACK'S PLEA (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071207/NEWS01/712070515/1321/NEWS)

12/07/07 Reno Gazette-Journal

A hearing date for Darren Mack's motion to withdraw his guilty plea has been set by the judge overseeing Mack's murder and attempted murder case, a prosecutor said Thursday.

Judge Douglas Herndon, a Clark County district judge assigned to the case, told Mack's lawyer William Routsis and Special Prosecutor Christopher Lalli they will argue the point in Las Vegas on Jan. 16, the day before Mack's two-day sentencing hearing, Lalli said.

Herndon gave Lalli until Jan. 7 to respond to the motion filed late Wednesday by Routsis. And he gave Routsis until Jan. 14 to reply to Lalli's response. The sentencing hearing is Jan. 17-18.

Lalli declined to comment on Mack's motion and said he has started working on his brief.

Mack, 46, is accused of fatally stabbing his 39-year-old estranged wife, Charla, on June 12, 2006, and then shooting their divorce judge, Chuck Weller, in his third-floor chambers.

Mack had pleaded not guilty and not guilty by reason of insanity. His trial, moved to Las Vegas to secure an impartial jury, began Oct. 24.

But it ended abruptly Nov. 5, just before his defense team was set to begin their case, when Mack agreed to plead guilty to first-degree murder and agreed to a conditional plea on the charge of attempted murder with a deadly weapon.

As part of the plea, Mack would face life in prison with the possibility of parole in 20 years. If Herndon diverged from that sentence, Mack could reverse his plea, under the agreement with prosecutors.

But in another surprise move, Mack last week dismissed his lawyers and hired a new attorney to help him file a request to drop his guilty pleas. In his motion, Routsis said that Mack was confused about what he was admitting.

"Further, when asked whether he had the occasion to discuss the issues in the plea agreement with his attorneys, Mack's answer was, 'the issues?'" Routsis said in the motion.

"Remarkably, Mack was never canvassed as to the enumerated constitutional rights which he was giving up by entering his pleas," Routsis added. "The court merely asked whether he discussed with his attorneys 'the rights that you're giving up by pleading guilty.'"

Routsis also said that Mack had been treated poorly in the Clark County Detention Center, and on the morning he entered his pleas, he had been deprived of sleep, food and water and had been unable to consult with his family about his change in plans.

A hearing was set for Monday in Washoe District Court to confirm the scheduling plans.

[Precisely]

:puke:This man's tactics truly make me ill. I hope we get to see him fumble all over himself in the new hearing to withdraw his guilty plea. Arrogance personified, imo.

[TobyTiger]

:puke:This man's tactics truly make me ill. I hope we get to see him fumble all over himself in the new hearing to withdraw his guilty plea. Arrogance personified, imo.
Since he will be withdrawing the plea he may be more articulate than he was when he was accepting it. Between his signature on the agreement (being different than his normal writing) and his seeming inability to comprehend what he was pleading to it is not a surprise that he has withdrawn it. He may be withdrawing his praise for Judge Herndon also when this is over.

[GollyGeeWhiz]

I am here. Not sure if my avatar arrived, though.:0doh:

Why yes it did! :happy0158:

[TobyTiger]

I am here. Not sure if my avatar arrived, though.:0doh:

Why yes it did! :happy0158:
Hey GGW!!!
:happy0158::love0085:

[GollyGeeWhiz]

Hey GGW!!!
:happy0158::love0085:

Hey Toby!:hifive: :basic44:

[TobyTiger]

Hey Toby!:hifive: :basic44:
Good to see you here! Make yourself at home!
:zm10:

[GollyGeeWhiz]

Good to see you here! Make yourself at home!
:zm10:

Looks like you've been here awhile! I didn't know about this board 'til I just saw animallady's post on the CTV board.

Not sure what I'd do in mid-January without a place to come and discuss the latest and greatest WRT DMack. Sure hope LasVegasOne is planning to stream the video again.

P.S. Love all the smilies here!!:grin:

[TobyTiger]

Looks like you've been here awhile! I didn't know about this board 'til I just saw animallady's post on the CTV board.

Not sure what I'd do in mid-January without a place to come and discuss the latest and greatest WRT DMack. Sure hope LasVegasOne is planning to stream the video again.

P.S. Love all the smilies here!!:grin:
Just since last week! There's a Sports forum in the Open Discussion section which I have been at also.

Freshwater is also starting another board to replace Crime Library on Jan. 1.

I am also hopeful that there will be cameras in the courtroom for Mack's hearing and sentencing.

[animallady]

Hi Toby & GollyGee,

Are you still there? What do you think about this board? Helloooo:s1gyahoo:
suz

[GollyGeeWhiz]

Hi AL :0012:

Thanks for the heads up on this board. I like it so far! Especially the :)'s! I haven't looked outside this thread yet, though!

Thanks for the invite!:howdy:

[animallady]

GollyGee,

Is that baby in the photo your own?:girl_haha: Too cute!:basic45:
Really loving these icons.:0012: Can you tell? Lo

[GollyGeeWhiz]

Nope! I have a rather extensive collection of silly pet pics that I've received as attachments to emails over the years. That little guy is one of my favorites. :D

I do have an in-real-life golden retriever, though. And 3 kitties. :girl_haha:

Is that one yours?

[TobyTiger]

Hi Toby & GollyGee,

Are you still there? What do you think about this board? Helloooo:s1gyahoo:
suz

I'm still here....sorry, I was watching the football game and didn't check back here for a few minutes.
:D

It's very nice here and thanks again to Harlett for having it!

[animallady]

Hi, again, Toby,

Looks like I missed GollyGee. I had to make a store run, and have been pretty much in & out all weekend. Also very grateful to Harlett!:happy0158: She has taken a big job on herself.

The latest Mack antics caused me increased concern re the CTV Board & trial coverage. Selfishly, I didn't want to be left out in the cold. Also, didn't want to lose touch with DM, Spector and Animal Planet posters. Always enjoy your posts, by the way. :yes2:

GollyGeeWhiz,

Very little better than silly animal pics. No, Miss Kitty isn't mine, but she reminds me of me after a shower - hair (white roots style) & mood.:D
I, too, have 3 kittys and 6 dogs. This has been bath & Frontline weekend here, and I am not very popular.:71526:

suz

[TobyTiger]

Hi, again, Toby,

Looks like I missed GollyGee. I had to make a store run, and have been pretty much in & out all weekend. Also very grateful to Harlett!:happy0158: She has taken a big job on herself.

The latest Mack antics caused me increased concern re the CTV Board & trial coverage. Selfishly, I didn't want to be left out in the cold. Also, didn't want to lose touch with DM, Spector and Animal Planet posters. Always enjoy your posts, by the way. :yes2:



suz
Thanks!

Hard to say what is going to happen with the board over there...it may still be around when Mack has his court appearances in January. What really is in question is whether or not there will be any televised trial coverage.

[animallady]

Broadcast of the hearings is big concern. I'm still hoping that TruTV will continue to carry live coverage & live stream; at least thru Jan. Didn't one of the local affiliates in LV carry live coverage? Maybe I'm thinking of another case. We are lucky to have locals posting with us.

I also followed the PS trial and his new trial proceeding will soon be starting up again. Oh woe is me.:1187603408.CR.Mothe I miss CourtTV.
:basic44:

[TobyTiger]

Broadcast of the hearings is big concern. I'm still hoping that TruTV will continue to carry live coverage & live stream; at least thru Jan. Didn't one of the local affiliates in LV carry live coverage? Maybe I'm thinking of another case. We are lucky to have locals posting with us.

I also followed the PS trial and his new trial proceeding will soon be starting up again. Oh woe is me.:1187603408.CR.Mothe I miss CourtTV.
:basic44:

It is my understanding that live feed was purchased by local stations from CTV.

I don't care for the changes taking place with the network either.

[TobyTiger]

MACK'S LAWYER: PLEA WAS 'FATALLY FLAWED' (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071210/NEWS18/71210029&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews)

Posted: 12/10/2007

The plea negotiations that abruptly ended Darren Mack’s murder trial last month were “fatally flawed” and he is eager to take the stand to proclaim his innocence as he has done for the last 16 months, his new lawyer said after a hearing on Monday.

Judge Douglas Herndon set up a schedule for both sides to file briefs on the motion, and ordered that an evidentiary hearing be held in Reno on Jan. 15-16, followed by oral arguments on Jan. 17.

If Mack’s motion to withdraw his plea is denied, Herndon said his sentencing hearing should also be held in Reno. He denied a request from the defense to postpone the sentencing, and held firm to the Jan. 18-19 dates. coercion, extortion and unethical behavior.

more at the link

[TobyTiger]

MACK LAWYER TO KEEP ASKING TO POSTPONE JANUARY HEARING (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007712120451)

Posted: 12/12/2007

Darren Mack's lawyer said Tuesday that he plans to file a motion asking the judge to postpone Mack's sentencing hearing to ensure that his defense team has enough time to focus on Mack's request to withdraw his guilty plea.

William Routsis had asked Judge Douglas Herndon to drop the sentencing dates during Monday's hearing and was denied. But on Tuesday, he said he was working on a formal motion to postpone the sentencing.

Routsis also said that he and co-counsel Bruce Lindsay still are reviewing Mack's declaration with him, and it is not expected to be released until today at the soonest.

"We just received voluminous discovery -- we're talking in the area of 9,000 pages -- that we need to go through," Routsis said. "We need time to go through that discovery."

The hearing for the plea motion is scheduled for Jan. 15-16, and the sentencing hearing is set for Jan. 17-18.

Reasons for the request were because the plea motion and the sentencing will require a lot of attention, and Mack's new lawyers, who took on the job Nov. 26, need to be familiar with the details of the case, they said.

"He's entitled to effective and prepared counsel," Routsis said.

Special Prosecutor Christopher Lalli objected to this suggestion during Monday's hearing, saying that it was only Dec. 10, and they had more than a month to prepare.

"There are people's lives that are floating in the wind," Lalli told Herndon. "There are victims who have emotionally suffered greatly."

At Monday's hearing, Herndon denied Routsis' request, saying they should have enough time because they will only need to focus on the sentence for the attempted murder with a deadly weapon charge and whether he'll run the two sentences concurrently or consecutively.

more at the link

[animallady]

Toby,
Thanks for posting updates & links!:)
:happy0207:

[TobyTiger]

Toby,
Thanks for posting updates & links!:)
:happy0207:
You're welcome!
:happy0207:

[TobyTiger]

Sorry...forgot to update this board while making my rounds...

MACK DEFENSE: WEAPONS CAN BE FOUND AT LANDFILL (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071222/NEWS/71222001/1321)

Posted: 12/22/2007

In a new motion filed late Friday, Darren Mack said that he told his previous lawyers where he put the gun that Charla Mack allegedly pointed at him before he stabbed her in what he said was self defense.

The motion also said he told the attorneys the whereabouts of the knife and bloody clothes, but they refused to tell the prosecution or go look for the weapons.

“(Mack) stated that he told (Scott) Freeman that he wanted someone to go to the local landfill to find these items, which would support his claim of self defense,” Gina Crown, an investigator for Mack’s new lawyer, said in a statement filed with the motion. “Mr. Freeman told (Mack) that the weapons would not be looked for.”

For this and a list of other reasons, Mack should be allowed to withdraw his guilty pleas and be granted a new trial, the motions said.

“We are mindful of the tragedy of Charla’s death — a death is horrible no matter how it happened,” said Mack’s new lawyer William Routsis. “But I’m trying to avoid another tragedy by having the truth come out.”

Freeman said late Friday that he had not seen the motion and declined to comment on Mack’s claims.

more at the link

[TobyTiger]

MACK TO FILE STATEMENT (http://www.rgj.com/blogs/judge-shooting/2008/01/macks-to-file-statement.html)

Darren Mack's girlfriend, Alecia Biddison, and brother, Landon sent out a message to media today saying that Mack's lawyer is ready to file Mack's declaration concerning what led to his guilty plea.

The press release stated:
Darren Roy Mack and his counsel, Mr. William J. Routsis II, esq. of the law firm of Laub & Laub, file a legal declaration to address the conditions that led to and culminated with the entrance of a guilty plea agreement.

more at the link

[TobyTiger]

MACK: "PSYCHOLOGICALLY RAPED" BY LAWYERS (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080107/NEWS18/80107050&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews)

Darren Mack said in a statement filed in court Monday that he was “psychologically raped” by his two lawyers, who assured him they would get him acquitted of murder and attempted murder charges, but changed their minds after they received the last payment in their $1.25 million in fees.

Mack also said that someone forged his signature on the guilty plea agreement, said his lawyers filed the motion claiming insanity without his consent and said one of his lawyers, David Chesnoff, lied during his opening statement to the court.

Chesnoff did not return a phone message Monday, and Scott Freeman declined to comment on Mack’s claims.

Mack, 46, was charged with killing his estranged wife, Charla, 39, on June 12, 2006, and then shooting their divorce judge, Chuck Weller, in his third-floor chambers.

Mack pleaded not guilty and not guilty by reason of insanity, but abruptly changed his plea Nov. 5, after the prosecution rested its case and his defense was to begin. He then dismissed Chesnoff and Freeman, hired new lawyers and has filed motions to withdraw the pleas and get a new trial.

Special Prosecutor Christopher Lalli filed his response to those motions Monday, saying Mack had plenty of time to discuss the plea change with everyone involved, signed the plea agreement and then answered questions from the judge about his decision.

Mack waived his rights, Lalli said, and the pleas should stand.

But Mack, in his 30-page declaration, said he was coerced.

When he returned from Mexico, he said he told his lawyers where to find the gun he claims Charla used against him and the knife he used, but they refused, and said they didn’t want the police to find them. Mack said they were important for his claim of self-defense, but his lawyers didn’t want them found, he said.

Mack also said he did not want to use the insanity defense, but Chesnoff pressured him into it. When they were trying to get him to change his plea, Mack said that Chesnoff said the insanity defense is rarely successful.

Mack said he was forced during the trial to stay in a sweltering jail cell isolated from his family, dehydrated and sleepless on a hard bed. The conditions led to a deterioration of his mental state, and left him vulnerable to pressure from his lawyers, he said.

more at the link

[TobyTiger]

STATE'S RESPONSE TO MACK'S MOTION TO REVERSE PLEA (http://news.rgj.com/assets/pdf/J79602117.PDF)

COURT DOCUMENT
PDF FORMAT
147 pages

:INhouseReading04:

[TobyTiger]

JUDGE WELLER DENIES MACK'S CLAIMS (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080108/NEWS18/80108027&theme=)

RENO GAZETTE-JOURNAL
Posted: 1/8/2008

Judge Chuck Weller, the family court judge who was shot in his court chambers in 2006, today denied claims by Darren Mack and others that he demanded $5 million from Mack in exchange for supporting Mack’s guilty plea agreement.

“I never said that to anyone and I never authorized anyone to say it on my behalf,” Weller said. “I am an honest and an ethical judge.”

In a declaration released Monday, Mack said that Weller and his lawyer, Cal Dunlap, called Mack’s former lawyer David Chesnoff and said they would go along with the plea deal if Mack paid him the money.

“I went back to the bench after being shot by Darren Mack because I believe the judiciary has an obligation to stand up against attacks against it,” Weller said.

When asked whether he planned to file a civil suit against Mack, Weller said he did not know.

“I still don’t know what I’m going to do,” Weller said.

more at the link

[animallady]

This sociopath just can't quit; can he??? I just knew his pleas were bogus, and didn't understand why the Judge did not stop the Hearing. It seemed to me that he was playing with the Court. And that signature on the agreement!!! Part & parcel of the "Big Deceit". :mad:

Don't know his reason (s). Of course, his attorneys (because they are good attorneys) would have told him that the State's case(s) was devastating and that he did not have a case (s). So, he decided to present a bogus plea which he would later withdraw. That would give him time to organize his devotees & tweak his lies. :mad:

His weapons would prove absolutely nothing. Unless his fingerprints are still on them.

Has a writer announced yet that he/she is doing a book on the case?


:mad:

[TobyTiger]

JUDGE CANCELS MACK SENTENCING (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080110/NEWS18/80110056&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews)

Judge Douglas Herndon has canceled next week’s sentencing for Darren Mack, and has instead opened those two days to allow for a longer hearing on Mack’s request to withdraw his guilty pleas, a court spokesman said today.

The plea hearing is set for Tuesday and Wednesday in Washoe District Court, and if he failed, the sentencing was to occur Thursday and Friday. But Herndon said that because the witness list and motions for the plea hearing is so long, he wanted to allow enough time to complete the process, said court spokesman Michael Sommermeyer.

“He said that sentencing would be continued so they could spend the time completing the motion to withdraw plea,” Sommermeyer said.

“I am resetting the sentencing, should it need to occur, for Feb. 7 and 8,” Herndon told Sommermeyer in an e-mail.

more at the link

[TobyTiger]

This sociopath just can't quit; can he??? I just knew his pleas were bogus, and didn't understand why the Judge did not stop the Hearing. It seemed to me that he was playing with the Court. And that signature on the agreement!!! Part & parcel of the "Big Deceit". :mad:

Don't know his reason (s). Of course, his attorneys (because they are good attorneys) would have told him that the State's case(s) was devastating and that he did not have a case (s). So, he decided to present a bogus plea which he would later withdraw. That would give him time to organize his devotees & tweak his lies. :mad:

His weapons would prove absolutely nothing. Unless his fingerprints are still on them.

Has a writer announced yet that he/she is doing a book on the case?


:mad:

Agree....he is manipulating the system as much as possible.

As for the weapons in the landfill: Mack fled to Mexico and did not surrender until approximately 10 days after the murder/attempted murder. If he was so concerned with the forensic evidence being found on the weapons, WHY did he dispose of them in a dumpster, which would be emptied at a landfill, and covered with tons of trash? Even in the summer of 2006 they would be nearly impossible to find. This is just more smoke and mirrors from him to try to postpone the inevitable, in my opinion.

[TobyTiger]

FAMILY: MACK READY, EAGER TO DEFEND HIMSELF (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080115/NEWS01/801150352/1321/NEWS)

Darren Mack's family and new lawyer said today that he is ready to withdraw his guilty pleas and defend himself against charges that he murdered his wife and shot their divorce judge.

"He's excited," Landon Mack said of his brother during a news conference at the family's pawn shop Palace Jewelry & Loan. "He has been muzzled. He's been trying for a very long time to tell his story."

Mack's former lawyers, David Chesnoff and Scott Freeman, again declined to discuss Mack's allegations that they failed to adequately defend him, forged his signature on the plea agreement and bullied him into a guilty plea.

"I will comment in court -- that's what professionals do," said Chesnoff, who is expected to be called to the stand during the three- to four-day hearing that begins this afternoon in Washoe District Court.

Mack's new lawyer, William Routsis, said he plans to present a case in which Chesnoff allegedly forced a Utah client to plead guilty -- a decision later reversed by the court.

"Mr. Chesnoff requested the defendant to lie, and he set up a plea agreement that the defendant was not aware of," Routsis said. The Michael Nikols case was "eerily similar" to the Mack case, Routsis said.

Mack is charged with fatally stabbing his estranged wife, Charla, and then firing a sniper shot at their divorce judge, Chuck Weller, on June 12, 2006. He went to trial and pleaded not guilty and not guilty by reason of insanity, but he changed his plea on Nov. 5, just before his defense team was to begin.

He soon dismissed Chesnoff and Freeman, hired Routsis and filed motions to withdraw his guilty pleas.

Routsis said Mack always has maintained his innocence. He also said his previous lawyers flubbed the case and were not prepared to defend him.

For example, Routsis said, after Freeman presented his self-defense argument in his opening statement, Chesnoff stood up and made "horrific" statements about Mack in support of the insanity plea to shooting Weller, including that Mack's brain was fried from the drug "Ecstasy."

more at the link

[TobyTiger]

EX LAWYER: MACK SAID CONSTITUTION GAVE HIM THE RIGHT TO SHOOT JUDGE (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080117/NEWS01/801170363/1002)

Posted: 1/17/2008

Darren Mack's former lawyer David Chesnoff testified Wednesday that Mack suffered from "a form of insanity" and believed that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution gave him the right to shoot a judge.

Although Mack objected to his former lawyers pursuing an insanity defense, Mack's position about his rights made it their only option, Chesnoff said.

"It's delusional to shoot family court judges who you don't like," Chesnoff said.

And when his lawyers held a mock cross examination with Mack before the defense was to begin its case, Dayvid Figler, a lawyer who helped Chesnoff on the case, said he told Mack that it would not go well if he testified.

His poor performance bolstered the argument that he should take a plea deal, Figler said.

"What was striking and graphic was Darren Mack's knee on his dying wife's head while the blood was spurting out," Figler said. "That testimony was something that didn't fit within self-defense as I understood it, and it would not be well received by a jury."

Tempers flared in Washoe District Court as Mack's new lawyer, William Routsis, questioned, argued with and pressed Chesnoff about the decisions he and Scott Freeman made since taking the case more than a year ago.

It became so hostile that at one point, Judge Douglas Herndon jumped in and told Routsis, "We're not kids," after Routsis responded to one of Chesnoff's answers with, "Oh really, Mr. Chesnoff?"

The hearing on his motion to withdraw his guilty pleas to killing his wife and shooting a judge continues today with testimony from Freeman, and possibly Mack himself, and may run through Friday.

more at the link

[TobyTiger]

JUDGE UPHOLDS PLEAS OF DARREN MACK (http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/13902382.html)

A judge on Friday denied former Reno pawn shop owner Darren Mack's motion to withdraw his pleas to killing his wife and shooting the judge who handled their divorce.

District Judge Douglas Herndon ruled that Mack accepted the plea deal voluntarily and knew the legal ramifications when he pleaded guilty to murdering his wife and the equivalent of no contest to attempted murder in the shooting of the judge.

"The defendant admitted he killed his wife. He admitted he shot the judge," Herndon said in issuing his decision that Mack was not entitled to a "do-over."

"There was no indication whatsoever that there was any issue with him understanding what we were going through in terms of the plea," he said, adding that Mack acted "intelligently" throughout the case.

"He stopped me on multiple occasions to ask for clarifications on matters or raise issues he wanted assurances on," Herndon said.

William Routsis, Mack's current lawyer, said they would appeal.

more at the link including video coverage

The sentencing hearing is scheduled for February 7-8, 2008

[GollyGeeWhiz]

Anyone have any idea why not one but TWO DMack holiday threads over at InSession have been closed and locked, with no explanation?

Have any of you ever seen that happen?

TIA.

[gramvof14]

Yes I have seen that happen alot over there. CW will close a board and leave us all in the dark. WHY would she close the crochet for Steph board, IMO she should at least explain WHY. Thats why I like it over here much better.JMOO

[Grande]

Jan. 24, 2008
MURDER-FOR-HIRE PLOT: Inmate sought hit from jail, police say
Valley judge, prosecutor and detective described as targets
By DAVID KIHARA
REVIEW-JOURNAL

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A Clark County inmate tried to take out a hit on a judge, a prosecutor and a cop who put him behind bars, authorities said.

The inmate, 42-year-old Daimon Hoyt, offered to pay a fellow inmate $30,000 to kill District Judge Michelle Leavitt, Deputy District Attorney Sandra DiGiacomo and Detective Bradley Nickell, authorities said.

Leavitt said Wednesday that Hoyt appeared in her court at least once on a burglary charge.

He acted "like a total gentleman," she said.

Hoyt was detained at the county jail, where he faces three counts of soliciting murder and more than three dozen unrelated charges including burglary, possession of stolen property and lewdness with a minor under the age of 14.

Hoyt, who authorities say is an eight-time convicted felon also known as Daimon Monroe, was arrested last fall on charges he was involved in a Las Vegas theft ring responsible for stealing about $2 million worth of goods. Police raided several locations in Las Vegas and recovered sports memorabilia, appliances and musical instruments that Hoyt and several others had stolen, authorities said.

Police said that on Aug. 8 they began receiving information from a Clark County Detention Center inmate that Hoyt was actively soliciting the murders of the prosecutor and police detective.

On Sept. 18, a jail inmate cooperating with authorities wore a wire and spoke to Hoyt during a recreation period. During the conversation, Hoyt called Leavitt a "bitch" and said he was scared she would sentence him to life in prison, according to a police arrest warrant.

During the conversation, Hoyt confirmed to the inmate that he wanted to kill the judge, DiGiacomo and Nickell, and discussed arranging payment for the killings, the warrant states.

Hoyt wanted DiGiacomo and Nickell dead because he blamed them for his arrest, the warrant states. DiGiacomo and Nickell both work on prosecuting repeat offenders and were working the burglary ring case.

He also accused both of violating his civil rights by carrying out an illegal search and seizure of his property, according to a handwritten February 2007 civil rights complaint filed in federal court.

From Oct. 1 to about mid-November, the jail informant told authorities -- including an agent from the local FBI -- about meetings with Hoyt. The informant passed along letters and notes to authorities written by Hoyt that mentioned the murder-for-hire plot and even stated that the price was $10,000 per killing, the warrant states.

DiGiacomo declined to comment on Wednesday. But District Attorney David Roger said his office takes such threats seriously.

"We're going to make sure he pays for his criminal actions," he said.

Leavitt, who learned about the plot on Tuesday night, said she wasn't intimidated by the threats.

"I think it's outrageous to make a threat like this on a judge. I think it's the breakdown in our society," she said. "If this becomes a practice, it's totally outrageous."

Leavitt said she never had any confrontations with Hoyt and was surprised when she learned he allegedly wanted to have her killed. She recalled that he appeared before her at least once while facing charges for involvement in a burglary ring. But he "was quiet. He doesn't talk back," she said.

Court officials said authorities have increased security around Leavitt, a single mother of three. They wouldn't go into detail about the security measures.

Hoyt's criminal history dates to 1992, when he was charged with burglary and grand larceny. More recently, in August 2007, authorities charged him with several counts of lewdness in connection with a sexual attack on his daughter and stepdaughter.

Authorities said murder-for-hire plots against judges and other court officials are rare. Edward Friedland, assistant court administrator, said there hasn't been a similar case here in at least five years. He did say, however, that authorities investigate about five threats of violence against judges each month.

In a high-profile 2006 case, Reno pawnshop owner Darren Mack was convicted of shooting Family Court Judge Chuck Weller in the chest, sniper-style from a parking garage near the judge's office.

Mack unsuccessfully tried to withdraw his plea in the case.

Leavitt said she wouldn't allow fear to rule her life. She recalled that her father, former Nevada Supreme Court Justice Myron Leavitt, also faced threats while serving on the bench.

"I guess I'm just sort of used to it. It's part of the job," she said.

Contact reporter David Kihara at dkihara@reviewjournal.com or (702) 380-1039.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/14177722.html

[kindee]

anyone here?

[sciencegirl]

I'm here.

[Topaz]

Darren Mack is being so rude --smirking behind the back of the prosecutor, and talking while the case is being opened.

I hope the Judge gives IT to him.... I don't see why the Judge does not
tell him to shut up?

How arrogant Mack is!

[sciencegirl]

Darren Mack is being so rude --smirking behind the back of the prosecutor, and talking while the case is being opened.

I hope the Judge gives IT to him.... I don't see why the Judge does not
tell him to shut up?

How arrogant Mack is!

Isn't it part of the plea deal that DMack gets to talk for as long as he wants???

[gramvof14]

anyone here?
yup I am here:0012:

[sciencegirl]

yup I am here:0012:

I'm thinking we all should be on this thread. I'll go post a link cause maybe not everyone saw the last one.

[TigressPen]

He is accurately portraying DMack!! Love this! His soul is bound in darkness and DM loves it that way, he would have never and will never change IMO

[kindee]

Are we here now? I have never seen anything like this killer.

[Xmygrits]

Isn't it part of the plea deal that DMack gets to talk for as long as he wants???

The judge did give him a time line and I am sure if he yaks too long the judge will cut him off.

[sciencegirl]

Are we here now? I have never seen anything like this killer.

I think we should be on this thread, huh? And yeah; DMack is a Wack!!!

[Kara]

Are we here now? I have never seen anything like this killer.

He really is a unique piece of work, isn't he.

I'd like to see his brain donated to science. They dont' have to wait for him to die to take it. :)

[kindee]

The judge did give him a time line and I am sure if he yaks too long the judge will cut him off.




Good. How can these people get up there and defend THAT GUY?????

[sciencegirl]

Here comes the wonderful and loving memories of DMack the Wack!!:67302:

[kindee]

He really is a unique piece of work, isn't he.

I'd like to see his brain donated to science. They dont' have to wait for him to die to take it. :)




His parents built the perfect beast.


Oh, suddenly the sober and reflective DMack shows up. CAUSE NOW THIS IS ALL ABOUT HIM!

[NewYorkDoll]

Here comes the wonderful and loving memories of DMack the Wack!!:67302:

I think the judge should ask him to stop talking during the proceedings or forfeit his "right" to go on his Founding Fathers rant.

[sciencegirl]

See DMack your long time friend's parents DIVORCED; they did not murder!!!!

[bigkitty]

Hi guys! Do you think that DM maybe wrote this speech for him?:waitasec:

Give me a break!:puke:

[sciencegirl]

Oh my gawd....I just can't take this :1187603408.CR.Mothe:1187603408.CR.

:67302:

[gramvof14]

I think we should be on this thread, huh? And yeah; DMack is a Wack!!!
A cold blooded killer.this guy saying all good things about him just wants to make me:puke:

[kindee]

Oh brother. Hey, Darren's kid looks just like him only young and with glasses.

Anybody feeling all warm and fuzzy towards DMack yet? Oh, the whole clan is just a crying! What about when DARREN KILLED CHARLA, huh people. THAT was a cocktail party. NOW you're all upset? uh huh.

[Kara]

The young man with the dark hair and dark framed glasses...is that Mack's son Jory? If so, he's kind of unfortunate looking, isn't he.

It looks like Biddy is beginning to realize her love is going to prison and she can't stop it.

[kindee]

Hi guys! Do you think that DM maybe wrote this speech for him?:waitasec:

Give me a break!:puke:



absolutely, they have choreographed this little performance.

Oh man, let go and let God.

DMack is just loving it! He really makes me hurl. :puke:

[NewYorkDoll]

Rubbing and picking at his nose: throw that in the body language tells he already exhibits: blinking, yawning, grinning.


Oh, smiling now, taking his walk down memory lane with his cousin on the stand. Mack is truly Whack.

[lost indie]

Let go and let God....


ahhhhhhh....

darren is all like "awwww shucks..."

:francis:

[kindee]

The young man with the dark hair and dark framed glasses...is that Mack's son Jory? If so, he's kind of unfortunate looking, isn't he.

It looks like Biddy is beginning to realize her love is going to prison and she can't stop it.




yeah, the poor kid. Can you imagine being Darren Mack's KID? In every way?

Darren has changed lives in a positive way? Not that I believe that, but...SO?

[sciencegirl]

Oh brother. Hey, Darren's kid looks just like him only young and with glasses.

Anybody feeling all warm and fuzzy towards DMack yet? Oh, the whole clan is just a crying! What about when DARREN KILLED CHARLA, huh people. THAT was a cocktail party. NOW you're all upset? uh huh.

It never ceases to amaze me how the family supports the killer. Either that or they are crying that he is going to jail.

This guy keeps talking about how losing a father, a mother, etc. is not favorable. What does he think DMack did to their own child.

[lost indie]

The young man with the dark hair and dark framed glasses...is that Mack's son Jory? If so, he's kind of unfortunate looking, isn't he.

It looks like Biddy is beginning to realize her love is going to prison and she can't stop it.

steroids you think?

[kindee]

IIIIIIIt's BIDDY!

[sciencegirl]

Isn't she the one that gave DMack google-eyes during the trial.

[Xmygrits]

Good. How can these people get up there and defend THAT GUY?????


Cut from the same cloth? The looks he keeps giving Biddy is barfable.

[bigkitty]

"My name is Alecia and I love a murderous psychopath"....:a1chic:

jmo

[sciencegirl]

Oh!!! Long time friend....2 years. She met him in 2006. Where is the family the judge said was supposed to be on.

[kindee]

Why is anything about her important to this case? me me me I I I me I me

[sciencegirl]

OH lordy, DMack is going to cry:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[lost indie]

"My name is Alecia and I love a murderous psychopath"....:a1chic:

jmo


:67302::67302::67302:

[kindee]

Cut from the same cloth? The looks he keeps giving Biddy is barfable.




She's as nutty as he is.

[sciencegirl]

Why is anything about her important to this case? me me me I I I me I me

OH my gawd. I am so credible by the media, etc. Where's the puking icon. Oh, here it is...:puke:

[Xmygrits]

Why is anything about her important to this case? me me me I I I me I me

Biddy is narcissistic too???? Ha! Go figure!

[Cat]

yup I am here:0012:


Me, too. Hi everybody.

Gram, I started pm'ing some people, but I'm thinking maybe we should just wait until we see key words (you know what I mean). :22wink:

[Kara]

steroids you think?

Darren? For sure! Don't know about Jory.

I guess Biddy hasn't had time to touch up her roots.

[Cat]

"My name is Alecia and I love a murderous psychopath"....:a1chic:

jmo

Ew, I wonder if there is a support group for people like that.

[NewYorkDoll]

The kid loves him and is crying and his father only cares for himself....It is heartbreaking what Mack's EGO has destroyed. Not just lives.

[bigkitty]

She is as crazy as him....now its all about her! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:duh::faintTHUD::mad::puke:

Sorry, can't listen to anymore of this drivel!

BTW, Jensen trial has resumed. I'm turning this trash off.

jmo, imo, etc

[kindee]

OH my gawd. I am so credible by the media, etc. Where's the puking icon. Oh, here it is...:puke:




I KNOW! That place is narcissist central, holy cow!

Anyhoo, she's not as credible as our own Cornblossom.

[lost indie]

I wonder if any of these people would want darren to babysit their kids...

[gramvof14]

Me, too. Hi everybody.

Gram, I started pm'ing some people, but I'm thinking maybe we should just wait until we see key words (you know what I mean). :22wink:

Yes Iknow what you mean I took care of the most immportant one if you know what I mean.

This woman sickens me,she is as sicko as he is.:puke:

[Cat]

Yes Iknow what you mean I took care of the most immportant one if you know what I mean.

This woman sickens me,she is as sicko as he is.:puke:

Great, gram. :love0085:

[kindee]

Mama Mack makes me sick to my stomach. This is the guy who killed her granddaughter's MOTHER for cripe's sake!

[Topaz]

TV Darren Lovefest is really bizarre!

Are we having a Roast and Toast? Or are we in a courtroom?:francis:

He is soooo obviously eating up this attention...I've never seen anything like it.

[kindee]

TV Darren Lovefest is really bizarre!

Are we having a Roast and Toast? Or are we in a courtroom?:francis:

He is soooo obviously eating up this attention...I've never seen anything like it.




I haven't either. The disconnect by these people is blowing me away.

[kindee]

are we posting here or there? mack's back live.

[Cat]

are we posting here or there? mack's back live.

I thought some were going to watch it. I am just sticking with MJ. Ok, I lied. I turned it on.

[Cat]

Darren is quite the talker, isn't he? He's talking about truth and justice. :67302:

[browneyes]

I can't believe Mack is going into all this detail. You would think he is just on trial for some corporate tax fraud or something...not murder.

NOTHING JUSTIFIES MURDER!!

[gramvof14]

What bunch of BS anyone in that court room needs to have hip boots.:shock:

[Cornblossom]

What bunch of BS anyone in that court room needs to have hip boots.:shock:
you know...if this had continued instead of the plea deal......he would still be on the stand from that time til now!!!

[TobyTiger]

He is accurately portraying DMack!! Love this! His soul is bound in darkness and DM loves it that way, he would have never and will never change IMO
GREETINGS!
Good to see you again!
:happy0207:

Good assessment of his character...or lack thereof.

[TobyTiger]

I can't believe Mack is going into all this detail. You would think he is just on trial for some corporate tax fraud or something...not murder.

NOTHING JUSTIFIES MURDER!!

Only in HIS mind...

He did what he had to do to eliminate an unnecessary evil...and the only remorse he likely feels is that he didn't complete the deed with Judge Weller.

[kindee]

Am I the only one here? Guess I'll go back to the other board.

[kindee]

I would be happy to post on here but it's no fun posting to myself.

[lost indie]

I'm here...

:basic44:

[Tracian]

I am watching the live feed, and what a piece of work.

[IfIMay]

I'm here but no feed for me.

[kindee]

Iffy that's just not right. Were you able to get it during the trial?

[kindee]

I am watching the live feed, and what a piece of work.





Have you ever seen anything like Darren Mack?

[Cat]

Have you ever seen anything like Darren Mack?

No, I have not. I was telling my DH about him last night. He was like :nocomment:

[Tracian]

Have you ever seen anything like Darren Mack?


Ted Bundy comes to mind.

[Cat]

I'm kind of glad Harlett asked us to come over here. I was getting :confused: with the two topic thread.

[annalyzer]

Who is that woman and who is she seeking a protection order from?

[kindee]

It's CHARLA MACK!

This is their divorce proceeding and that is Judge Weller on the bench.

Charla's family is in that courtroom today watching her testify from the grave and asking BEGGING for help.

She got her head cut off.

Her poor mom. Oh my God.

[Cat]

Who is that woman and who is she seeking a protection order from?

That is Charla. Her mom is watching this and crying. Poor woman, I feel so sorry for her.

[Tracian]

Who is that woman and who is she seeking a protection order from?



That was Charla Mack, before her murder, in the divorce video tape--the lady in the gallery who is crying is her mother.

[Xmygrits]

Who is that woman and who is she seeking a protection order from?

That is/was Charla Mack....poor woman!

[kindee]

Ted Bundy comes to mind.




THIS guy preyed on his own wife.

I am blown away, watching Darren give Charla the evil eye.

She must have been TERRIFIED of that monster.

[kindee]

That is Charla. Her mom is watching this and crying. Poor woman, I feel so sorry for her.



I can't imagine. Really, I am crying and I didn't even know Charla.

Darren? You are a sick freak.

[Tracian]

Watching that divorce video makes me so sad; he used his child to get his exwife...and poor Soorya, her daughters words were prophetic.

Mack was hostile in that courtroom, you can see the hate and anger...

[annalyzer]

That was Charla Mack, before her murder, in the divorce video tape--the lady in the gallery who is crying is her mother.

OMG

[Cat]

THIS guy preyed on his own wife.

I am blown away, watching Darren give Charla the evil eye.

She must have been TERRIFIED of that monster.

Can you imagine what that marriage was like?

[annalyzer]

That is/was Charla Mack....poor woman!


Will we be able to see that clip again since I misse most of it?

[lost indie]

I can't imagine. Really, I am crying and I didn't even know Charla.

Darren? You are a sick freak.


She was really scared of him...

[Tracian]

THIS guy preyed on his own wife.

I am blown away, watching Darren give Charla the evil eye.

She must have been TERRIFIED of that monster.


If he got away with this, she would not have been his only murder victim, IMO.

I agree, she was terrified...to bad the DP is off the table.

[Xmygrits]

Can you imagine what that marriage was like?

Judge Weller was so impartial and fair. He stayed so calm and open to listening to both sides. Totally goes to show how whacked was Mack. JackA

[annalyzer]

OMG Now I get it. The dark video is their divorce hearing!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kindee]

Weller (and everyone else!) bent over backwards for Darren Mack.

It still wasn't good enough for him.

[Cat]

Judge Weller is sitting there with his eyes closed like he is going back to that day in memory and feeling the feelings he felt that day.

[Xmygrits]

Will we be able to see that clip again since I misse most of it?

Possibly clips will be available later on KOLO.

[kindee]

If he got away with this, she would not have been his only murder victim, IMO.

I agree, she was terrified...to bad the DP is off the table.




If Judge Weller had died? He wouldn't have been able to testify that he suspected the shooter was DMack etc.

If both Charla and judge Weller had died as planned DMack may have gotten away to Mexico and never been heard from again.

I just read that that hearing with Charla was just 3 weeks before the murder/shooting.

3 weeks.

[gramvof14]

That was Charla Mack, before her murder, in the divorce video tape--the lady in the gallery who is crying is her mother.
Jean just said Charla was killed just 19 days after she made that emotional plead saying she was afraid of DM. how very sad:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[Cat]

It looks like Darren is enjoying the description of what the pain he caused to the Judge.

[Tracian]

OMG Now I get it. The dark video is their divorce hearing!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes, and Charla was murdered 19 days after that hearing, after telling the court how scared of him she was---19 days after his attorney is sitting there trying to make Charla out to be harassing poor Darren.

[Xmygrits]

Jean just said Charla was killed just 19 days after she made that emotional plead saying she was afraid of DM. how very sad:1187603408.CR.Mothe

Dmack is sitting there smiling while J Weller recounts the way his life was altered the day DM shot him. DM looks to thrilled and in MO is reliving the high he felt the day he pulled that trigger.

[Tracian]

If Judge Weller had died? He wouldn't have been able to testify that he suspected the shooter was DMack etc.

If both Charla and judge Weller had died as planned DMack may have gotten away to Mexico and never been heard from again.


I think Darren Mack is a sociopath, that would have continued killing when the 'mood' hit him.

OMG...did you see that clip of him saying:

"I lost a wife" This man has no soul

[Xmygrits]

Bravo Judge Weller! Standing Ovation here!

[TigressPen]

I can't believe he actually hired someone to try and date her through an online dating site! You could hear fear in her voice when she said she didn't want him to know her physical address. It's all so horribly sad.

[Tracian]

I can't believe he actually hired someone to try and date her through an online dating site! You could hear fear in her voice when she said she didn't want him to know her physical address. It's all so horribly sad.


So tragic...and so avoidable.

[gramvof14]

Bravo Judge Weller! Standing Ovation here!
yes I second that motion. Charla's poor mom having to hear her daughter plead for her life, while that bas#$rd is over there smiling. OH thank God I am not in that court room they would be hauling my azz off for smacking the hell out of him.


http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/KenshinPain.gif

[StickyBeak]

I would love for the sentencing to resume with JH saying, Ladies and Gentlemen, while DM was walking to mens room, after drinking all that water, he slipped and fell and his tongue got stuck in an electrial outlet. He has his just reward. JMO

[TigressPen]

Mack hearing is back live.

[Xmygrits]

I would love for the sentencing to resume with JH saying, Ladies and Gentlemen, while DM was walking to mens room, after drinking all that water, he slipped and fell and his tongue got stuck in an electrial outlet. He has his just reward. JMO


:zm10:

[Cat]

I would love for the sentencing to resume with JH saying, Ladies and Gentlemen, while DM was walking to mens room, after drinking all that water, he slipped and fell and his tongue got stuck in an electrial outlet. He has his just reward. JMO


StickyBeak, you are evil (but funny!). :s1gyahoo:

[TigressPen]

Oh man this is truly Right On!! He paints a portrait of the pain DM inflicted on that family from Charla's death and his actions since he killed her.

[Tracian]

Her brother is breaking my heart!!:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[kindee]

I can't believe he actually hired someone to try and date her through an online dating site! You could hear fear in her voice when she said she didn't want him to know her physical address. It's all so horribly sad.



19 days later...she was dead.

[Tracian]

Did Darren just say 'this is crap' to his attorney?

[Xmygrits]

Her brother is breaking my heart!!:1187603408.CR.Mothe

Mine too. Bless his heart. :1222423:

Amen little brother!

[kindee]

I would love for the sentencing to resume with JH saying, Ladies and Gentlemen, while DM was walking to mens room, after drinking all that water, he slipped and fell and his tongue got stuck in an electrial outlet. He has his just reward. JMO




HA out loud.

[kindee]

Did Darren just say 'this is crap' to his attorney?




He otta know "crap" when he hears it. :22wink:

[Xmygrits]

One thing tho...while little brother spoke, DM did not laugh.

[kindee]

yes I second that motion. Charla's poor mom having to hear her daughter plead for her life, while that bas#$rd is over there smiling. OH thank God I am not in that court room they would be hauling my azz off for smacking the hell out of him.


http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/KenshinPain.gif


gram you might be able to get away with it.

[Tracian]

I would love for the sentencing to resume with JH saying, Ladies and Gentlemen, while DM was walking to mens room, after drinking all that water, he slipped and fell and his tongue got stuck in an electrial outlet. He has his just reward. JMO


like the way your mind works.

[TigressPen]

Mine too. Bless his heart. :1222423:

Amen little brother!



I think it appropriate that Charla's brother and this man (didn't catch his name) is addressing the disdain and cold actions of both Darren and his family.

[Tracian]

I think it appropriate that Charla's brother and this man (didn't catch his name) is addressing the disdain and cold actions of both Darren and his family.


It's Charla's father, Jan, his last name is difficult to spell, at least for me.

[Tracian]

Sampsel is her father's last name

[kindee]

It's Charla's father, Jan, his last name is difficult to spell, at least for me.



omg, here comes Charla's mom. :1222423:

[TigressPen]

It's Charla's father, Jan, his last name is difficult to spell, at least for me.



He is very well spoken. I admire this victim's statement. God Bless him. :1222423:

[Tracian]

Soorya Townley, Charla's mother is on the stand now....

[gramvof14]

I think it appropriate that Charla's brother and this man (didn't catch his name) is addressing the disdain and cold actions of both Darren and his family.

Thats her father.I feel so bad for the whole family it is just breaking my heart.:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[TigressPen]

Oh God, here is Charla's mother. This is going to be the hardest of all to listen to. I am already choking up.

[annalyzer]

I despise Darren Mack. Rot in hell b@stard.

[gramvof14]

I despise Darren Mack. Rot in hell b@stard.

Ditto

[Tracian]

It is clear Charla came from a strong, loving family....I hope that they keep Erika with them, so she will have the same oppertunities, love and strength.

They are so brave, Charla is proud of them.
:1222423::1222423::1222423:

[Tracian]

Oh God, here is Charla's mother. This is going to be the hardest of all to listen to. I am already choking up.


Me too!!!! :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[kindee]

here's Darren: blinkblinkblinkblinkblinkblink

He's not interested..this isn't about him so he has no interest.

[TigressPen]

I despise Darren Mack. Rot in hell b@stard.


Perfectly said!

[Cornblossom]

and that b@stard complains of a hard bed???? This woman is going thru a pain that will never be cured.

[TigressPen]

OMG! I can't stop crying! :1187603408.CR.Mothe



God Bless you Soorya!:1222423:

[Tracian]

Are those sour looking people in the gallery it's family?

[Tracian]

OMG! I can't stop crying! :1187603408.CR.Mothe



God Bless you Soorya!:1222423:


I just grabbed my daughter and hugged her very tight, she is 20.

[kindee]

and that b@stard complains of a hard bed???? This woman is going thru a pain that will never be cured.




He is sitting there like he's watching Gilligan's Island or something.

Cold cold cold.

[IfIMay]

I can't believe I'm missing this. Just reading your reactions is breaking my heart.

[gramvof14]

and that b@stard complains of a hard bed???? This woman is going thru a pain that will never be cured.

May God bless me to never,never know the pain this poor mother is going through.And may God help this mother get through her pain.:1222423::1222423::1222423:

[TigressPen]

I just grabbed my daughter and hugged her very tight, she is 20.



I have 3 daughters and all 3 are grown and married. I hugged them in my heart. And texted.

[Tracian]

Darren has robbed me of my sense of peace....this poor woman, it is just soul ripping to hear her speak...

[annalyzer]

Who has custody of Charla's child?

[Cat]

May God bless me to never,never know the pain this poor mother is going through.And may God help this mother get through her pain.:1222423::1222423::1222423:

Oh, gram, I just prayed too that no violence will ever happen to my daughter or family.

[annalyzer]

I can't believe I'm missing this. Just reading your reactions is breaking my heart.



http://ww2.kolotv.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?vt1=l&d1=0&ClipId1=mms%3A//a894.l1185342780.c11853.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/894/11853/v0001/reflector%3A42780&LiveURI=mms%3A//a894.l1185342780.c11853.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/894/11853/v0001/reflector%3A42780&h1=Live

kolo not working for you?

[Tracian]

Who has custody of Charla's child?


Right now, Charla's mother, but IIRC she is fighting its family for custody.

[gramvof14]

Who has custody of Charla's child?
Her mother does I think.

[IfIMay]

it won't load. Don't understand. I guess it's overloaded with viewers or something. But thanks for trying.

[TigressPen]

I can't believe I'm missing this. Just reading your reactions is breaking my heart.


This is one of the most beautiful, painful, and prolific impact statements that I have ever heard. DM is just sitting there staring, no tears, no remorse.

[kindee]

I can't believe I'm missing this. Just reading your reactions is breaking my heart.




I never get this emotional. Soorya is talking about ALL the kids traumatized by this and whether they can ever trust adults.

:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[Tracian]

This is one of the most beautiful, painful, and prolific impact statements that I have ever heard. DM is just sitting there staring, no tears, no remorse.



Just before the break, it was leaning over talking to its attorney; I hope they are not even thinking of asking her questions.

[TigressPen]

Is that Darren's brother who was smiling! Argh!!

[kindee]

May God bless me to never,never know the pain this poor mother is going through.And may God help this mother get through her pain.:1222423::1222423::1222423:




Just a glimpse into her pain is overwhelming.

[Cat]

I feel so sad for this lady, but she is going to have to go through this grieving or she will die, too. She is just drowning in her grief. I have been there, and I know it takes a lot of work to have a life again.

[TigressPen]

Just before the break, it was leaning over talking to its attorney; I hope they are not even thinking of asking her questions.



I think her family would go into attack mode if he dared asked this beautiful lady and mother of the deceased questions. I would!!!

[kindee]

Is that Darren's brother who was smiling! Argh!!




something is wrong with those people. I mean big time wrong.

[IfIMay]

ok. so now I'm tearing up just reading that. Hopefully, I can watch some video tonight. thanks for sharing your impressions/feelings.

[TigressPen]

I feel so sad for this lady, but she is going to have to go through this grieving or she will die, too. She is just drowning in her grief. I have been there, and I know it takes a lot of work to have a life again.



Yes. Her grief is so intense that it is affecting her physically. :1222423:

[Cat]

something is wrong with those people. I mean big time wrong.

It's hard to believe they have souls.

[kindee]

I feel so sad for this lady, but she is going to have to go through this grieving or she will die, too. She is just drowning in her grief. I have been there, and I know it takes a lot of work to have a life again.



That's because they have no closure since Darren continues to kill Charla over and over and over.

He needs to shut up and disappear.

[Cat]

Yes. Her grief is so intense that it is affecting her physically. :1222423:

It is like bleeding inside. :1222423:

[Tracian]

It's hard to believe they have souls.


They are not human.

[kindee]

It's hard to believe they have souls.




Well you can clearly see how self centered elitist narcissistic sociopaths are MADE.

[Tracian]

I think her family would go into attack mode if he dared asked this beautiful lady and mother of the deceased questions. I would!!!


I certainly hope that the defense attorney is smart enough not to, but it seems that Darren is speaking to him quite a lot through her statement.

[Tracian]

Well you can clearly see how self centered elitist narcissistic sociopaths are MADE.


excellent observation.

[Cat]

It will certainly be no contest as to who raises the little girl.

[kindee]

excellent observation.



This spoiled brat killer was a family project. I would say, "They must be so proud" but...they do seem to be proud!

Dys Function Junction.

[Tracian]

It will certainly be no contest as to who raises the little girl.


Did you hear how its family was fighting her for custody?

[Tracian]

This spoiled brat killer was a family project. I would say, "They must be so proud" but...they do seem to be proud!

Dys Function Junction.


They seem indignant that he is in trouble at all!!!

[annalyzer]

Yes. Her grief is so intense that it is affecting her physically. :1222423:


Mack family may use this against her for custody.

[gramvof14]

DMacks son seems to be afected emotionaly maybe there is hope for him.

[TigressPen]

I certainly hope that the defense attorney is smart enough not to, but it seems that Darren is speaking to him quite a lot through her statement.



Probably about taking Erika from her too. :mad:

I just want to reach in and slap him so hard that his chin flattens back to his adams apple!

[kindee]

Who has custody of Charla's child?




Soorya does...as she just said, the Macks have sent not a penny in child support for Erica.

Lower than low. The worst of the worst.

Sick and scary.

[Tracian]

Beautiful, its mother reneged on paying child support because it does not what her too.

[Cat]

Did you hear how its family was fighting her for custody?

Yes, I did. I still think it will be no contest.

[kindee]

They seem indignant that he is in trouble at all!!!


Someone I am in contact with told me yesterday that The Mack family completely believes he's going to get a light sentence.


What is she playing, a video...oh no...oh no..of Charla singing?


BE A MAN! That's the song.

And he is not a man. He's not even a pig. He's nothing.

[Tracian]

Yes, I did. I still think it will be no contest.


from your mouth to god's ears...I agree with you, but the law sometimes is whacked.

[Tracian]

Someone I am in contact with told me yesterday that The Mack family completely believes he's going to get a light sentence.



Really? What is the weather like on their planet?:rolleye0001:

[TigressPen]

Hallelujah!! He is dangerous and manipulative and does need to be kept away from society. I pray this Judge sentences him to the maximum.

[Xmygrits]

Has anyone else noticed how Judge H seems to be very moved by Mom's plea.

[Tracian]

Oh, now it wipes away non exsistant tears...listening to the song...

[annalyzer]

Is that Charla singing?

[gramvof14]

OMG that did it I can't stop crying :1187603408.CR.Mothe:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[Xmygrits]

OMG that did it I can't stop crying :1187603408.CR.Mothe:1187603408.CR.Mothe

Me either :love0085:

[lost indie]

OMG...I can't see to type...

[gramvof14]

Is that Charla singing?
YES,YES

[Tracian]

Is that Charla singing?


Yes...in a song she wanted to sing to Darren about their problems..:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[TigressPen]

Yep. Sure she was just so violent and abusive toward him. This song just eludes her actions!! The *bleep-Bleep* deserves to get Death Penalty. :mad:

[annalyzer]

YES,YES


Wow what a beautiful voice. :1222423:

[Xmygrits]

Her last words in the song: "Be a man".....

30 minutes and he will be done.

[Tracian]

Yep. Sure she was just so violent and abusive toward him. This song just eludes her actions!! The *bleep-Bleep* deserves to get Death Penalty. :mad:


:zm10: Yes it does

[annalyzer]

Her last words in the song: "Be a man".....

30 minutes and he will be done.

what's the max he can get? I think he'll get it.

[Cat]

Has anyone else noticed how Judge H seems to be very moved by Mom's plea.

How could ANYONE not be moved? She did a wonderful job. I am in awe. I think I'd be crying so hard I wouldn't be able to get words out.

[Cat]

Wow what a beautiful voice. :1222423:

I will second that. Awesome.

[lost indie]

:zm10: Yes it does

I had to watch most of Charla's mom on mute...was able to listen to the song...

I wish we had the lyrics...

I'd like to hear it again...

Even on mute..mom kicked azz...

I'm proud of her courage...

[TigressPen]

what's the max he can get? I think he'll get it.



He can get 2 to 20 for her murder, and 20 each for the Judge attempted murder, and weapons charges. The Judge can have them run concurrent.

[gramvof14]

That was very upsetting and Please dear God give this woman the strength to cope with this terrible loss and to go on with her life and help her raise her granddaughter. In Jesus name.AMEN
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/prayers-1.gif

[Xmygrits]

what's the max he can get? I think he'll get it.


I think 40 yrs to life??? Maybe someone else knows?

[Xmygrits]

That was very upsetting and Please dear God give this woman the strength to cope with this terrible loss and to go on with her life and help her raise her granddaughter. In Jesus name.AMEN
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/prayers-1.gif

Aw Gram, you made me start crying all over again. I wish I had you as a momma!

[Tracian]

I think 40 yrs to life??? Maybe someone else knows?


Jean said, IIRC that if he gets the max and the sentences run consecutively, he would get basically LWOP.

If I understood her correctly.

[annalyzer]

That was very upsetting and Please dear God give this woman the strength to cope with this terrible loss and to go on with her life and help her raise her granddaughter. In Jesus name.AMEN
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/prayers-1.gif


That was beautiful Gram. God bless you. :1222423:

[Xmygrits]

Jean said, IIRC that if he gets the max and the sentences run consecutively, he would get basically LWOP.

If I understood her correctly.


OK, I am going to make a prediction...he'll get just that!

[gramvof14]

Aw Gram, you made me start crying all over again. I wish I had you as a momma!
Well you can, as far as my kids are concerned they tell me I am everybodys mom and grand mom. One of the niceses things my kids have said and they have said many.And I thank God every day for blessing me with 6 of them.

[TigressPen]

That was very upsetting and Please dear God give this woman the strength to cope with this terrible loss and to go on with her life and help her raise her granddaughter. In Jesus name.AMEN
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/prayers-1.gif


AMEN!

[TigressPen]

OK, I am going to make a prediction...he'll get just that!


Yeah. Give him plenty of time to change all those laws for us Free folk!!

[Cornblossom]

Yeah. Give him plenty of time to change all those laws for us Free folk!!
and for the dead beat dads!

[kindee]

I think 40 yrs to life??? Maybe someone else knows?




Depends on whether consecutive (stacked) or concurrent etc. but I think 40 years is what it's going to be.

[TigressPen]

and for the dead beat dads!



I just can't get over Darren's brother smiling all during Soorya's statement. Even Darren was basically straightfaced! My God, his family is scary. No wonder The Judge and his family feel they have to look over their shoulder, and Charla's nieces and nephews are scared he will come and hurt them, come through the bedroom closet.

[TigressPen]

The 30 minutes is just creeping. I am listening to Jensen trial but my brain refuses to wrap around what is being asked and answered. I'm not focused with it. All this depressive motions testimony just isn't reaching me.

[StickyBeak]

The Judge should add extra years for the wacky macky family, can't believe no one helping with support of Erika. Mothers statement just heart wrenching. I was glad to hear Chandra had a boyfriend before she was murdered. Suppose he will be added to the hit list along with this Judge, Lally, Mother, Brother, Father.
Hope "ELY" is the deepest black hole for this sub human. JMO 40 Years not enough, if so, there should be major restitution made for her familys loss and hardship.

Somebody stop this world I think I want to get off!!

[TigressPen]

Live in Court!!

[kindee]

Live in Court!!


judge sounds like he's emotional.

Go get him buddy.

[Tracian]

Live in Court!!


Keep us posted, TRU seems to be going to stupid stuff now :(

[Xmygrits]

Well you can, as far as my kids are concerned they tell me I am everybodys mom and grand mom. One of the niceses things my kids have said and they have said many.And I thank God every day for blessing me with 6 of them.

I'll hold you to that!:love0085:

[Cat]

That guy is still smiling. What the heck is there to smile about?

[Xmygrits]

Oh my goodness! The judge made reference to our message boards. He does his homework.

[Xmygrits]

That guy is still smiling. What the heck is there to smile about?

His smurk is making me ill.

[Cat]

I LOVE this judge.

[kindee]

Oh my goodness! The judge made reference to our message boards. He does his homework.



I wonder if the judge caught that "I love you Darren Mack and want to have our children" thread yesterday???? :girl_haha:

[IfIMay]

somebody keep us updated...Thanks! I am soooo pi$$ed to be missing this.

[TigressPen]

Go get'em All, Judge!!! I salute you!!

[Cornblossom]

That guy is still smiling. What the heck is there to smile about?
If he is married....his wife should be very very careful....he's scarey