Sentencing of Mark Jensen

[kellabeck]

Continue here!


I brought this over:

Assuming that David has been sold a bill of goods about his mother's death, then today's statements in court must be quite a bucket of cold water in his face.

In his memory: a loving mother, begging his father to call an ambulance, waiting in the car when Daddy went into the house to find Mommy's body, the company mattress moving right in...

Surely the truth which he heard this morning resonates with his memories and not the carp he's been fed.

[kindee]

yes I wonder if David was even listening today. He may have tuned out. I wouldn't blame him a bit.

[kellabeck]

I do not believe that ignorance is bliss. I believe that WHEN the "oh, my god!" moment happens to them, they will seek out the truth.

The truth is painful but so are the lies they have been spoonfed.

I think the term "birth mother" came from Mark and Julie and that the boys have been taught to refer to Julie that way. I will bet they call Kelly "mom" and refer to their birth mother as "Julie."

[kindee]

But kella it doesn't work that way in reality. People are in denial until they are in a safe enough emotional place to process it. And if you rush them, it halts their own journey to the truth.

In psychology "we" see every sign of early sexual abuse but often the client has NO idea it even happened let alone the connections. You want to scream the truth to them but that is absolutely contraindicated. when they are ready, they will go there. How they are "ready" has to do with many factors, none of which I see present for David or Douglas YET. This atmosphere is not conducive to the healing process. As someone else said earlier, they need to get up and OUT and away for any "aha" moments to be possible, jmo.

[kellabeck]

But kella it doesn't work that way in reality. People are in denial until they are in a safe enough emotional place to process it.
SNIPPED FOR SPACE.

Well, I completely agree. I think you are right. Maybe one day when they are grown men with wives and children of their own.

[Swabby]

Thanks for the new thread!

Bringing this over. It will probably look terrible, but here it is:



Any reason why everyone is ignoring me today? I feel like Im talking to myself and it is no fun. Im not feeling the love people, AT ALL!!!


Sorry Summer,

Things are going at lightening speed today. In order for me to hear the Jensen sentencing on my computer, I couldn't comment at all. It was a L-O-N-G morning for me. I just now got caught up here, I am hopelessly behind elsewhere.

Not ignoring anyone on purpose!

Swabby

[SummerMadness]

Thanks for responding everyone, I thought I had B.O or something.
Shorty-I was not in court, I took my car in for servicing and it took forever, they finally gave me a loner and hightailed it out of there, I have a verdict to catch FGS!

[kindee]

Well, I completely agree. I think you are right. Maybe one day when they are grown men with wives and children of their own.




They had love once with Julie; I bet they have it in themselves somewhere to seek it out again. THEN maybe they can face the facts, as you say.

[wi_twin_mom]

I do not believe that ignorance is bliss. I believe that WHEN the "oh, my god!" moment happens to them, they will seek out the truth.

The truth is painful but so are the lies they have been spoonfed.

I think the term "birth mother" came from Mark and Julie and that the boys have been taught to refer to Julie that way. I will bet they call Kelly "mom" and refer to their birth mother as "Julie."

Hi kellabeck! I think you are so right, the kids think of Kelly as their mother. They were taught by Mark and Kelly that their mother abanded them and we are here to love you. What a strange and twisted family, the whole clan!

[vintage_rose]

Are any of our posters in this picture????

[kindee]

Lisa and Jami in a smackdown! Jami is a bully.

[kellabeck]

The company mattress is your mother. Your real mother is your birth mother and Bockle is your granddad.
Yikes!

[SummerMadness]

Thanks for the new thread!

Bringing this over. It will probably look terrible, but here it is:






Sorry Summer,

Things are going at lightening speed today. In order for me to hear the Jensen sentencing on my computer, I couldn't comment at all. It was a L-O-N-G morning for me. I just now got caught up here, I am hopelessly behind elsewhere.

Not ignoring anyone on purpose!

Swabby


No prob Swabby- I know how it is.:)

[bigkitty]

Thanks for responding everyone, I thought I had B.O or something.
Shorty-I was not in court, I took my car in for servicing and it took forever, they finally gave me a loner and hightailed it out of there, I have a verdict to catch FGS!


You smell like :1222423: I tell you!:D

[SummerMadness]

Lisa and Jami in a smackdown! Jami is a bully.


What did Jami do that you were mentioning before? I can only imagine...

[shortcake]

Thanks for responding everyone, I thought I had B.O or something.
Shorty-I was not in court, I took my car in for servicing and it took forever, they finally gave me a loner and hightailed it out of there, I have a verdict to catch FGS!
I knew something was up for you to miss the sentencing.

[mitch]

i was just watching TTV and Jami had some really wierd couple named i think the schmits. man was that women judy a goof ball and completly unable to put a coherent sentence together.

[kellabeck]

THIS is Jami in a nut--and I do mean nutshell:

"What happens when the victim is white and the ALLEGED perp is black.."

[shortcake]

What did Jami do that you were mentioning before? I can only imagine...

It's all about the Cutts case. Lisa referred to DP sentences for black convicts when whites are the victims and whites are the jury. Jami said "She said it, Lisa brought up race". She was pointing the finger because she always gets the emails. Lisa said she doesn't worry about emails, Jami said she does because she cares about viewers.

[wi_twin_mom]

Are any of our posters in this picture????

Yup, that's us behind the Jury. You can barley see me. I'm behind the lady in brown.

[SummerMadness]

I knew something was up for you to miss the sentencing.

yeah, it should have just taken a few minutes, but noooooooo.
I missed everything, now I'm waiting for them to call me to pick up, so I'll probably miss the Cutts verdict. I can't win:rolleye0001:

[kindee]

What did Jami do that you were mentioning before? I can only imagine...





"Why is race always an issue?" You know.

[kellabeck]

Did any of the locals get to talk to any of the jurors and thank them? What about Jammy??

[SummerMadness]

It's all about the Cutts case. Lisa referred to DP sentences for black convicts when whites are the victims and whites are the jury. Jami said "She said it, Lisa brought up race". She was pointing the finger because she always gets the emails. Lisa said she doesn't worry about emails, Jami said she does because she cares about viewers.

I saw that smackdown, but Kindee was talking about something that must have happened earlier today, probably on Jami's show. Does anyone know what *that* was about?

[kindee]

Are any of our posters in this picture????




Oh wow now I see it! xtra cool!

[shortcake]

I saw that smackdown, but Kindee was talking about something that must have happened earlier today, probably on Jami's show. Does anyone know what *that* was about?

Unless I see someone particularly interestin on her show, I either mute during that hour or cut it off. Sorry.

[lovelaw]

yeah, it should have just taken a few minutes, but noooooooo.
I missed everything, now I'm waiting for them to call me to pick up, so I'll probably miss the Cutts verdict. I can't win:rolleye0001:



Sorry you are having one of those days!~:1222423:

[mosaic]

OK, I missed it all, aparently. I read thru this thread, but the last one is HUGE! Wha' happened?

[kindee]

I saw that smackdown, but Kindee was talking about something that must have happened earlier today, probably on Jami's show. Does anyone know what *that* was about?




No, I don't watch Jami much either.

Oh, Jami DID have "friends" of Mark's and Julie's who totally trashed Julie and were totally unbelievable. I think Jami went lower than usual to drag those freaks out as credible. She hit an all time low.

[Pinkypoo]

Are any of our posters in this picture????


YES! I'm in the back...middle...glasses on.

[lovelaw]

Here We Go!

[SummerMadness]

Sorry you are having one of those days!~:1222423:


Thanks lovey-
I hope they hurry up with Cutts, I don't want to miss that too.
Is anyone watching the other trial in Colorado?

[Pinkypoo]

Did any of the locals get to talk to any of the jurors and thank them? What about Jammy??


No we just talk to the court cleark...she is a freind of mine.

[lovelaw]

Thanks lovey-
I hope they hurry up with Cutts, I don't want to miss that too.
Is anyone watching the other trial in Colorado?



Me too!

I watched a bit yesterday! I know several others were watching and posting on a chat!~

[wi_twin_mom]

Did any of the locals get to talk to any of the jurors and thank them? What about Jammy??

When we first went into the courtroom we got really good seats on the right side (looking at the Judge). The Jury came in and sat in front of us, then asked to see the delibration room. So we said that we would watch their coats. Then IIRC Kelly and David sat in front of them. When they came back from looking at the room they moved to the other side. Then we found out that we were on the Defense side. That was just the oposite of the trial. We didn't stay around very long afterwards.

[wi_twin_mom]

Look at all the cops in the room! Wow

[SummerMadness]

Holy cow- This is so lengthy? why can't this be done after the verdict?

[shortcake]

Thanks lovey-
I hope they hurry up with Cutts, I don't want to miss that too.
Is anyone watching the other trial in Colorado?

I've been trying. My timing has been pitiful as far as hearing the interesting testimony so I'm losing interest. It's just been a bit much to try to keep up with more than one trial at a time.

[wi_twin_mom]

How do I "quote" something from another thread to reply on this thread?

[Cat]

How do I "quote" something from another thread to reply on this thread?

Just copy and paste and note the poster's name.

[kindee]

How do I "quote" something from another thread to reply on this thread?




cut and paste it.

[SummerMadness]

Well... Cutts dodged that bullet sort of. He fared better than Mark, anyway.
I don't think he will ever see the light of day either.

[wi_twin_mom]

Just copy and paste and note the poster's name.

Thanks I was looking for a button to push.:shock:

[mosaic]

Wow, looks like I really DID miss the party! :z0tdntknw:

I just watched the sentencing on west coast In Session. I only caught the lawyers and the judge, but JS's statement was amazing. I knew I liked him!

I guess I'll go through the morning's thread while I listen to the TV.

I'm not watching the CO case, but I am lurking on the board since I miss you all so much! I'll probably jump back on the bandwagon with the next one, RL permitting.

[SummerMadness]

Later peeps, going to pick up the wheels

[wi_twin_mom]

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posted by wi_twin_mom:

Hi everyone,
I just got back from Kenosha. Wow, I'm glad I went!!! I don't know who the guy was that got kicked out. David walked into the courtroom with Kelly. I was there with PinkyPoo and jmrcville. I was wrong about Warhorse coming. We were dressed in pink and sat behind the Jury members. What a great Judge! He didn't impress me at the begining of the trial, but I love him now! After the sentencing Kelly and MJ's mom were out of views of the camera and said to each other that they would see each other later. They also said "I love you". Mr. Jesens was not around, so maybe he is the one who is having the problem with Laura. IMO
__________________
I yoosta be a Yooper.

[IfIMay]

Cutts question - will the sentences run concurrently? Who decides that? THX.

[vintage_rose]

A rumor is floating around ...don't know if it's true or not...
Friday night, 20/20..is doing a full hour on the Mark Jensen murder case.
Can anyone confirm this?

[wi_twin_mom]

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posted by wi_twin_mom:

Hi everyone,
I just got back from Kenosha. Wow, I'm glad I went!!! I don't know who the guy was that got kicked out. David walked into the courtroom with Kelly. I was there with PinkyPoo and jmrcville. I was wrong about Warhorse coming. We were dressed in pink and sat behind the Jury members. What a great Judge! He didn't impress me at the begining of the trial, but I love him now! After the sentencing Kelly and MJ's mom were out of views of the camera and said to each other that they would see each other later. They also said "I love you". Mr. Jesens was not around, so maybe he is the one who is having the problem with Laura. IMO
__________________
I yoosta be a Yooper.

Ok, figured it out! I need to edit this to say that the conversation occured between - Laura Koster and Ma Jensen not Kelly. Sorry. Thanks to jmrcville who corrected me!!!!!

[kindee]

Well... Cutts dodged that bullit sort of. He fared better than Mark, anyway.
I don't think he will ever see the light of day either.




no, but the fact they didn't go for lwop is a bit concerning to me. Still.

[kindee]

Cutts question - will the sentences run concurrently? Who decides that? THX.




judge hasn't said yet...

[wi_twin_mom]

A rumor is floating around ...don't know if it's true or not...
Friday night, 20/20..is doing a full hour on the Mark Jensen murder case.
Can anyone confirm this?

Yes, it will be the first hour of the show.

[SummerMadness]

no, but the fact they didn't go for lwop is a bit concerning to me. Still.

If they run it consecutively he'll never get out.
Maybe the teary display worked... now, Im really going

[vintage_rose]

Yes, it will be the first hour of the show.

Is that posted anywhere online? I can't find it on the 20/20 website. Thanks!

[kindee]

If they run it consecutively he'll never get out.
Maybe the teary display worked... now, Im really going




Oh, somebody bought the teary (not) confession for sure.

[mosaic]

They keep replaying the clip of MJ (almost) crying during sentencing- does anyone know when that occurred? Who was speaking that choked him up?

[vintage_rose]

They keep replaying the clip of MJ (almost) crying during sentencing- does anyone know when that occurred? Who was speaking that choked him up?

MJ choked up while he was listening to the letter Albee was reading from his sons David and Douglas. Here is the link:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/02/27/sot.jensen.albee.kids.cnn

[kindee]

They keep replaying the clip of MJ (almost) crying during sentencing- does anyone know when that occurred? Who was speaking that choked him up?



It was when ALBEE was reading "David and Doug's" letter asking the court to spare their dear father.

[bigkitty]

Ok, figured it out! I need to edit this to say that the conversation occured between - Laura Koster and Ma Jensen not Kelly. Sorry. Thanks to jmrcville who corrected me!!!!!


Interesting. It seemed strange to me the way the parents sat so far away from Laura (or rather, vice versa). I'm grateful for the little family I have.:yes2: We are small, but we back each other up.:)

[Pinkypoo]

Interesting. It seemed strange to me the way the parents sat so far away from Laura (or rather, vice versa). I'm grateful for the little family I have.:yes2: We are small, but we back each other up.:)

When Laura first came in today she sat in the back. Then later she moved up to the second row. The courtroom was full.

[wi_twin_mom]

Is that posted anywhere online? I can't find it on the 20/20 website. Thanks!

I found out through my brother. I haven't looked on-line yet.

[mosaic]

MJ choked up while he was listening to the letter Albee was reading from his sons David and Douglas.

Of course- that's what I figured. His chin got all quivery while contemplating his OWN loss. NOT while the bros were speaking, or Jamby, or the Judge...Holy cow, I'm having to watch my language! :mad:

[vintage_rose]

I found out through my brother. I haven't looked on-line yet.

Was that your brother sitting next to you in the court room?

[wi_twin_mom]

Was that your brother sitting next to you in the court room?

No, he didn't come today. I don't know who he was.

[Bayou Lass]

Hi ya'll - have you missed me? I have had a ton of work to do and have just been reading your posts off and on. All of you are JUST GREAT!!!! I was just watching Albee read the letter from the boys and wow........I don't think that they wrote that letter at all. If you read between the lines, it was all about how great their dad was, what he did for them and how hard he worked for his family. Total Bull! And, then the quivering chin and gulping of Mark, he still could not squeeze out a tear. The jerk got what he deserved, imo. I watched the brother tell about Julie and boy that brought tears to my eyes. She was really, truly loved by those men and deep down they truly do miss having her here on earth with them. I am glad that he mentioned David and Douglas in his speech as much as he did. Maybe they will realize how much that family cares for them and will reach out for that love.

[Cat]

Hi BL. Yes, it would be wonderful if they could have a relationship with their uncles and their families. It's going to be a hard row for those boys.

[Topaz]

was who made The Judge so angry?

Also, I really don't think David Jensen wrote all of that letter.
The sentence structure was too adult. My son at that age, who was
doing great writing, couldn't have done that.

Some of the wording was just too mature IMO. He may have said OK to the writer and given input...but I don't think he wrote it. JMO

Also I saw him ticcing away. Still must have those tics.

I really felt intensely sorry for him. It had to have been agony for him.:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[Bayou Lass]

was who made The Judge so angry?

Also, I really don't think David Jensen wrote all of that letter.
The sentence structure was too adult. My son at that age, who was
doing great writing, couldn't have done that.

Some of the wording was just too mature IMO. He may have said OK to the writer and given input...but I don't think he wrote it. JMO

Also I saw him ticcing away. Still must have those tics.

I really felt intensely sorry for him. It had to have been agony for him.:1187603408.CR.Mothe

I thought I heard or read somewhere that Mark said that the tics disappeared after Julie's death. Seems like that was just another fabrication.

[wi_twin_mom]

was who made The Judge so angry?

Also, I really don't think David Jensen wrote all of that letter.
The sentence structure was too adult. My son at that age, who was
doing great writing, couldn't have done that.

Some of the wording was just too mature IMO. He may have said OK to the writer and given input...but I don't think he wrote it. JMO

Also I saw him ticcing away. Still must have those tics.

I really felt intensely sorry for him. It had to have been agony for him.:1187603408.CR.Mothe

I was in the courtroom with PinkyPoo and we were just as shocked anyone. The Judge must have really good ears, we didn't hear anything. Unless he was making some jestures????

I don't think David wrote that letter alone. He was influenced by Kelly and Ma Jensen. JMO What kid calls their dead mother "birth mother". I've only heard that from someone who is adopted. Has anyone else heard someone use that term before?

[Pinkypoo]

Ok I just watched on Tivo the part where the judge yelled at that guy. I noticed that the K-news reporter was sitting RIGHT in front of that guy so maybe she will say something about it in the paper tomorrow.

[wi_twin_mom]

Ok I just watched on Tivo the part where the judge yelled at that guy. I noticed that the K-news reporter was sitting RIGHT in front of that guy so maybe she will say something about it in the paper tomorrow.

Oooooooh! Maybe we should check her blog!

[Pinkypoo]

Oooooooh! Maybe we should check her blog!

I just did...nothing there yet.

[wi_twin_mom]

Here is the letter from David and Douglas!

http://www.kenoshanews.com/media/jensensons.pdf

[IfIMay]

I want to see Jambois's comments again. He was awesome.

[wi_twin_mom]

I just did...nothing there yet.

Do you have a link? I was just there and can't find it. TIA

[Pinkypoo]

Latest comments are here that I have found. They don't post them all. Comments have to be approved before they are posted.

http://www.kenoshanews.com/article_comments/view_comments.php?articleNum=2602329

[Cornblossom]

if anyone watched Jami today....can you tell me what Jami and Lisa quarreled about? I was on the phone with my daughter and all I heard Lisa say is she didn't care about the emails jami got.

[Frankie Bones]

Thanks for responding everyone, I thought I had B.O or something.
Shorty-I was not in court, I took my car in for servicing and it took forever, they finally gave me a loner and hightailed it out of there, I have a verdict to catch FGS!
You smell lovely, Summer. I followed the scent from the last thread to here. I've always love the odor of engine oil. :)

[jmrcville]

I'm catching up here!!!! Thanks for the correction WI Twin Mom on who I heard say what to who!

Banfield cut off for the Cutts trial so I didn't get to see much on TV of what went on in front of us today. I'm surprised that Cutts got a 30 yr. eligibility, having admitted to killing Jessie and mark got NUTHIN'! :hifive:

ENJOYED meeting You today, Pinky!

[kindee]

if anyone watched Jami today....can you tell me what Jami and Lisa quarreled about? I was on the phone with my daughter and all I heard Lisa say is she didn't care about the emails jami got.



where you been, missy? :eyebrow1qb:

[kindee]

if anyone watched Jami today....can you tell me what Jami and Lisa quarreled about? I was on the phone with my daughter and all I heard Lisa say is she didn't care about the emails jami got.



Oh, it was about playing the race card. Are you SHOCKED?

[Pinkypoo]

I'm catching up here!!!! Thanks for the correction WI Twin Mom on who I heard say what to who!

Banfield cut off for the Cutts trial so I didn't get to see much on TV of what went on in front of us today. I'm surprised that Cutts got a 30 yr. eligibility, having admitted to killing Jessie and mark got NUTHIN'! :hifive:

ENJOYED meeting You today, Pinky!

Hey I had it recorded and MJ was almost crying when Albee read that letter. I couldn't belive it when I saw it. We sure didn't get a emotional feeling from Mark in the courtroom. Thats the first time I saw him look like he cared about anything!

[jmrcville]

OK, Wisconsin Girls! .........

What is a "Cringle?":71526:

[kindee]

Hey I had it recorded and MJ was almost crying when Albee read that letter. I couldn't belive it when I saw it. We sure didn't get a emotional feeling from Mark in the courtroom. Thats the first time I saw him look like he cared about anything!



yeah, the emotional factor was about an "eh" to a "whatever".

[wi_twin_mom]

OK, Wisconsin Girls! .........

What is a "Cringle?":71526:

A Kringle is really, really, goooood!

It's a flat oval shaped pastry. Yum Yum!

[vintage_rose]

OK, Wisconsin Girls! .........

What is a "Cringle?":71526:

Kringles are pastries. DELICIOUS light and flaky with filling (Strawberry, blueberry, almond paste, cherry, etc.,) and icing on top. If you ever taste one, you feel like you've died and gone to heaven. When we lived out of state, I couldn't believe no one knew what a kringle was. You can order them online if you'd like. YUM! https://store.ohdanishbakery.com/ohdb/str001?source=gglppc&kw=kringle

[jmrcville]

No one's TOLD me about THOSE!!!!!!!!!

[gramvof14]

Here is the letter from David and Douglas!

http://www.kenoshanews.com/media/jensensons.pdf
My feelings about that letter is he had someone coach him.If the boys loved there father so much why didn't David look at his father, why did he hang his head so much why didn't his father look at at him, And most of all if David felt his father was such a great father WHY DIDN'T HE READ THAT LETTER HIMSELF,HE IS AFTER ALL 18 YEARS OLD. I saw no emotion from David at all.That to me is very telling.I also saw no emotion from anyone in that family.

[wi_twin_mom]

I'm catching up here!!!! Thanks for the correction WI Twin Mom on who I heard say what to who!

Banfield cut off for the Cutts trial so I didn't get to see much on TV of what went on in front of us today. I'm surprised that Cutts got a 30 yr. eligibility, having admitted to killing Jessie and mark got NUTHIN'! :hifive:

ENJOYED meeting You today, Pinky!

Hi jmr! I haven't watch the tape yet. But I did see MJ's lip quiver. That's as emotional as he gets. I don't think that the memory of the kids crying with daddy is real. He has told that story so many times that the boys believed it!

[Frankie Bones]

Here is the letter from David and Douglas!

http://www.kenoshanews.com/media/jensensons.pdf
Thanks.

Look at the words...

Ordeal

Deeply

Desire

Devastated at her loss

This following phrase was odd... "...holding his sons on his lap.."
I found it odd that he didn't write, "While holding us in his lap".

Not that it really matters but I feel that Albee and Kelly had much to do with the composition of that letter.

[wi_twin_mom]

Thanks.

Look at the words...

Ordeal

Deeply

Desire

Devastated at her loss

This following phrase was odd... "...holding his sons on his lap.."
I found it odd that he didn't write, "While holding us in his lap".

Not that it really matters but I feel that Albee and Kelly had much to do with the composition of that letter.

Yes, and Ma Jensen had her hand in there too!

[IfIMay]

I think that whoever wrote the letter was recounting Mark's *memory* of holding the boys on his lap. I'm with you Frankie. The phraseology of that letter didn't come from the heart of a 18 year old young man aching for his Dad. I'm sure he had input, but he didn't write it. It wasn't in the first person at all.

[Pinkypoo]

OK, Wisconsin Girls! .........

What is a "Cringle?":71526:


Kringle...its a danish. They are big around here.

[Pinkypoo]

http://www.kringle.com/shopping/shopping.lasso?gclid=CJKY2LSo5ZECFQW0PAodbCT3gQ

[kindee]

My feelings about that letter is he had someone coach him.If the boys loved there father so much why didn't David look at his father, why did he hang his head so much why didn't his father look at at him, And most of all if David felt his father was such a great father WHY DIDN'T HE READ THAT LETTER HIMSELF,HE IS AFTER ALL 18 YEARS OLD. I saw no emotion from David at all.That to me is very telling.I also saw no emotion from anyone in that family.




the only emotion I saw from David suggested he did NOT agree with what that letter stated.

"coached". Yeah, I can go with that. How ya doin',Gram?

I didn't buy this from the first word out of Albee's mouth.

[jmrcville]

I went and read the letter from that kids that PinkyPoo so kindly posted for us. I've got an 18 year old son in college and I don't see him using the word "epitome" , "obscure" or "devestated as part of his vocabulary. This was yet another orchestration.......

You're in NH, I'm from Boston. Have you ever heard of a "Cringle"? I notice the WI girls spelled it with a "K" - Being that Kelly is also not from around here, and it's spelled with a "C" in the boy's letter, think SHE was the author?

[Frankie Bones]

Kringles are pastries. DELICIOUS light and flaky with filling (Strawberry, blueberry, almond paste, cherry, etc.,) and icing on top. If you ever taste one, you feel like you've died and gone to heaven. When we lived out of state, I couldn't believe no one knew what a kringle was. You can order them online if you'd like. YUM! https://store.ohdanishbakery.com/ohdb/str001?source=gglppc&kw=kringle I've had that in Holland as well. Sooo very good. We can buy them around here at Christmas time at the grocery store. They had blueberry and lemmon ones this past season.

[wi_twin_mom]

Kringle...its a danish. They are big around here.

Thanks PinkyPoo, I was trying to remember the word "danish"! That's just the right word.

[Frankie Bones]

Yes, and Ma Jensen had her hand in there too!

I hadn't even thought of their Grandmother! You could be right.

[jmrcville]

Thanks for the LINK, Pinky!!!!!! Do they have those in Cedarburg?
:basic45: <Told you I don't get out much!>

[kindee]

I went and read the letter from that kids that PinkyPoo so kindly posted for us. I've got an 18 year old son in college and I don't see him using the word "epitome" , "obscure" or "devestated as part of his vocabulary. This was yet another orchestration.......

You're in NH, I'm from Boston. Have you ever heard of a "Cringle"? I notice the WI girls spelled it with a "K" - Being that Kelly is also not from around here, and it's spelled with a "C" in the boy's letter, think SHE was the author?



"epitome" and "our birth mother Julie" stopped me in my tracks.

[Pinkypoo]

I went and read the letter from that kids that PinkyPoo so kindly posted for us. I've got an 18 year old son in college and I don't see him using the word "epitome" , "obscure" or "devestated as part of his vocabulary. This was yet another orchestration.......

You're in NH, I'm from Boston. Have you ever heard of a "Cringle"? I notice the WI girls spelled it with a "K" - Being that Kelly is also not from around here, and it's spelled with a "C" in the boy's letter, think SHE was the author?

wow thats a good catch!

[kindee]

I think that whoever wrote the letter was recounting Mark's *memory* of holding the boys on his lap. I'm with you Frankie. The phraseology of that letter didn't come from the heart of a 18 year old young man aching for his Dad. I'm sure he had input, but he didn't write it. It wasn't in the first person at all.




Iffy I really thought something was stinky from the first word out of ALBEE's mouth, didn't you?

[Bayou Lass]

My feelings about that letter is he had someone coach him.If the boys loved there father so much why didn't David look at his father, why did he hang his head so much why didn't his father look at at him, And most of all if David felt his father was such a great father WHY DIDN'T HE READ THAT LETTER HIMSELF,HE IS AFTER ALL 18 YEARS OLD. I saw no emotion from David at all.That to me is very telling.I also saw no emotion from anyone in that family.

Another thing that bothers me is that if Mark was so loved by them, why were they not in court to support their dad. I am sure that there were days that they could have been there. Where was Kelly every day? If I cared so deeply for someone I would find a way to be there to show support. She wasn't even there when the verdict was returned. Sounds crazy to me. That family shows no soul what-so-ever, no tears or anything close to being emotional, well, except for laughing and smiling like they were attending a cocktail party.

[Topaz]

Thanks.

Look at the words...

Ordeal

Deeply

Desire

Devastated at her loss

This following phrase was odd... "...holding his sons on his lap.."
I found it odd that he didn't write, "While holding us in his lap".

Not that it really matters but I feel that Albee and Kelly had much to do with the composition of that letter.

That letter was written by an experienced adult.
They may have shown it to David for his Okay...but I don't think he
wrote it either.

The tics were a pulling of one side of his mouth. The camera was focused on him, closely, and after the first side ways smile, at least 3 others followed and then the camera shifted off him quickly. It looked like a smirk at first, then I
remembered the tic history.

I have some medical history with ADHD and tics... my son has ADHD and developed tics from his meds. Finally we got him off the meds and the tics went away. But over the years I have had alot of contact with tic patients.
Their forum is :
http://www.latitudes.org/forums/index.php?showforum=1
If anyone here needs help, this forum is just excellent!
I am only there on a limited basis. But I was very interested in the tic
testimony. Tics do increase with stress. And patients can suppress them to a great extent if they are mild.
If David is reading here, please visit that forum if you need help.

[kindee]

gram are you ok?

[jmrcville]

I have to say, I found it very peculiar and quite odd that NO ONE, besides the letter from the kids, got up and spoke on Mark's behalf. I've watched ALOT of cases on CTV through the years and people ALWAYS get up on the defendent's behalf and ask for mercy from the judge. I'm not understanding WHY no one got up.

I thought, for sure, the father was going to speak when he showed up in a suit today. He handed something to Craig Albee and I thought it was a statement because David had just handed his in. (Must have been a payment though!) Clearly, the mother was going to have nothing to say - she didn't even bother to take her coat off through the whole thing!

[bigkitty]

Thanks.

Look at the words...

Ordeal

Deeply

Desire

Devastated at her loss

This following phrase was odd... "...holding his sons on his lap.."
I found it odd that he didn't write, "While holding us in his lap".

Not that it really matters but I feel that Albee and Kelly had much to do with the composition of that letter.


Hi Frankiebones!:happy0207:

David didn't write that letter. That was KJ's memory. It was an observation of a person WATCHING the scene of those boys on MJ's lap. The whole letter was a FRAUD IMO.

[kindee]

frankie if you go back and read we were all over this live.

[kindee]

I hadn't even thought of their Grandmother! You could be right.



We have the Collaboration Theory: Mark, Albee, the Jensen Duo, and Kelly.

David to sign.

[Bayou Lass]

You know I was wondering too why no one else from the Jensen Clan spoke up for Mark. No family, friends, nada.

[gramvof14]

the only emotion I saw from David suggested he did NOT agree with what that letter stated.

"coached". Yeah, I can go with that. How ya doin',Gram?

I didn't buy this from the first word out of Albee's mouth.
I am hanging in there DD has been calling me very upset she hasn't eaten since last night they did and MRI, and about 2:00 she had to drink berium for a cat scan and then they told her she could eat but no one has come to take her for the cat scan and she is very hungry she asked the nurse and they said they will come for her pretty soon that was an hour ago so by the time they come for her she will need to drink more of the berium what the hell so she is all upset and I don't blame her.

[bigkitty]

My son just got home from school. I played the part of B&F that showed the reading of the letter. He was as shocked as I was at Julie being referred to as "birth mother." He's 15, so a peer of David's. He also agreed that the letter sounded as though it was written in the third person, not first person. Therefore, definitely not written by David. He said that he would never refer to me as his "birth mother" after my death. I asked him "even if you had an awesome stepmother?" He said no. Not even then.

[kindee]

I am hanging in there DD has been calling me very upset she hasn't eaten since last night they did and MRI, and about 2:00 she had to drink berium for a cat scan and then they told her she could eat but no one has come to take her for the cat scan and she is very hungry she asked the nurse and they said they will come for her pretty soon that was an hour ago so by the time they come for her she will need to drink more of the berium what the hell so she is all upset and I don't blame her.



oh lawsy. honey, take a deep breath and a big hug (((gram))) from me.

I don't blame her either. Vent here, my friend, or pm me or email me. :love0085::1222423:

[wi_twin_mom]

We have the Collaboration Theory: Mark, Albee, the Jensen Duo, and Kelly.

David to sign.

Correct-a-mundo!!!!!

[Topaz]

It was really odd that no one stood up for Mark.

Justin Barber is the only one I saw that had no one too!

Why didn't MJ's parents make a statement? Same reason why Melanie McGuire's parents didn't? hmmmmm?

Why didn't Kelly make a statement? DUH?????

[Bayou Lass]

My son just got home from school. I played the part of B&F that showed the reading of the letter. He was as shocked as I was at Julie being referred to as "birth mother." He's 15, so a peer of David's. He also agreed that the letter sounded as though it was written in the third person, not first person. Therefore, definitely not written by David. He said that he would never refer to me as his "birth mother" after my death. I asked him "even if you had an awesome stepmother?" He said no. Not even then.

What a great thing for a son to say to his mother, makes you proud doesn't it? I have two grown sons and I would not trade them for the world. They are my best 'buds'.

[bigkitty]

I am hanging in there DD has been calling me very upset she hasn't eaten since last night they did and MRI, and about 2:00 she had to drink berium for a cat scan and then they told her she could eat but no one has come to take her for the cat scan and she is very hungry she asked the nurse and they said they will come for her pretty soon that was an hour ago so by the time they come for her she will need to drink more of the berium what the hell so she is all upset and I don't blame her.

Hi Gram!

I'm so sorry your daughter is going through all this. Can you please tell her that I am keeping her in my prayers?

For you and your daughter....:1222423:

[kindee]

My son just got home from school. I played the part of B&F that showed the reading of the letter. He was as shocked as I was at Julie being referred to as "birth mother." He's 15, so a peer of David's. He also agreed that the letter sounded as though it was written in the third person, not first person. Therefore, definitely not written by David. He said that he would never refer to me as his "birth mother" after my death. I asked him "even if you had an awesome stepmother?" He said no. Not even then.


3rd person indeed. I thought it sounded like a rally theme...not very engaged.

[ja77]

I just re-read through all of your posts and you all were right on the money. I was at work today so was unable to view it Live but I caught the replay on CNN. MJ PRETENDED to cry when Albee read that letter or at least, that is the way it seemed to me. He could not even muster a tear. I guess he would say he was being "prideful" but whatever, the man has no heart. And I agree that the son did not write that letter. His mother was murdered and he was not adopted!! So what was up with that "birth mother" crap!! Jeez he was 8-years-old so I am sure he has vivid memories of his mother. But, KJ and MJ has been working on those memories for 10-years!! I think MJ deserved that sentence because just like JJ's older brother stated, he had a CHOICE. Divorce was always an option, but he chose the easier and less costly way. I hope the boys get the help they need, MJ rots in jail, and KJ leads an unhappy life with a husband locked up and now a single parent.

I noticed the facial tics on both MJ and DJ! What is up with thoses? Do you think they come from nervousness? MJ couldn't even fake a tear, I guess he probably spends his days now looking over the transacripts of his trial so he can catch a loophole for his appeal. Does anyone know if Albee is going to arrange "protective" custody in the BIG house for MJ? I can't wait till he gets a load of those hardened criminals!!!:girl_haha: :basic44: They are going to make mincemeat out of him!! We will probably see him 10-years from now on some interview, still expressing his innonence but now covered with jailhouse tatoos!!!:67302:

[bigkitty]

What a great thing for a son to say to his mother, makes you proud doesn't it? I have two grown sons and I would not trade them for the world. They are my best 'buds'.

We are very lucky!:yes2:

[kindee]

Correct-a-mundo!!!!!



The oNE chance MJ had was sympathy for his kids. David..NO connection to the statement ALBEE read. imo. That REEKED of mark and kelly with a soupcon of Albee...

[Shotzie]

Hey, I just got lost. I went to vote on the questions is Kelly in cahoots? I couldn't find it on CNN so I typed in TruTV and they have a message board..Are they connected to In Session. they seem to have alot of members..Just curious if any of you know.
and does anyone have a link so I can Vote about Kelly..I think she was.?

[kindee]

Hey, I just got lost. I went to vote on the questions is Kelly in cahoots? I couldn't find it on CNN so I typed in TruTV and they have a message board..Are they connected to In Session. they seem to have alot of members..Just curious if any of you know.
and does anyone have a link so I can Vote about Kelly..I think she was.?



I went to vote on that earlier too and it was yesterday's poll.

:z0tdntknw:

[bigkitty]

I just re-read through all of your posts and you all were right on the money. I was at work today so was unable to view it Live but I caught the replay on CNN. MJ PRETENDED to cry when Albee read that letter or at least, that is the way it seemed to me. He could not even muster a tear. I guess he would say he was being "prideful" but whatever, the man has no heart. And I agree that the son did not write that letter. His mother was murdered and he was not adopted!! So what was up with that "birth mother" crap!! Jeez he was 8-years-old so I am sure he has vivid memories of his mother. But, KJ and MJ has been working on those memories for 10-years!! I think MJ deserved that sentence because just like JJ's older brother stated, he had a CHOICE. Divorce was always an option, but he chose the easier and less costly way. I hope the boys get the help they need, MJ rots in jail, and KJ leads an unhappy life with a husband locked up and now a single parent.

[snipped with respect]


Hi J! I totally agree. Especially with the last sentence.:yes2:

[wi_twin_mom]

3rd person indeed. I thought it sounded like a rally theme...not very engaged.

Now that I'm thinking about this - I don't think Albee had anything to do with the letter. He is smart enough to catch the 3rd party issue! This was all Kelly and Ma Jensen's work, for sure!!!

[kindee]

[QUOTE=wi_twin_mom;140023]Now that I'm thinking about this - I don't think Albee had anything to do with the letter. He is smart enough to catch the 3rd party issue! This was all Kelly and Ma Jensen's work, for sure!!![/QUOT


maybe...but do you really think he hadn't practiced reading that prop ahead of time? nope. This was staged staged staged jmo!

[DeeJay]

WELL, FOLKS! My internet server wasn't working this morning
and missed all the sentencing. My internet server was serving when I got home.

I'd planned on starting and recording the trial before I
had to leave for my hair appt.

I've only been able to pick up bits here & there.
I am happy at the sentence and happier with words the judge
chose to say to MJ. I really appreciate judges that say
a good deal of what my thoughts are about a murderer.
Not ALL judges do that.

Kinda disgusted with the so-called letter from the boys.
I am now even more disgusted with MJ & KJ for not being
honest with the boys about Julie! My god, who could NOT
tell those boys what a marvelous, loving & caring mother Julie was to them?

I saw David in court....oh my!:shock:....that boy is in need of a haircut & style.......about as bad as Shawna Nelson.

[bigkitty]

WELL, FOLKS! My internet server wasn't working this morning
and missed all the sentencing. My internet server was serving when I got home.

I'd planned on starting and recording the trial before I
had to leave for my hair appt.

I've only been able to pick up bits here & there.
I am happy at the sentence and happier with words the judge
chose to say to MJ. I really appreciate judges that say
a good deal of what my thoughts are about a murderer.
Not ALL judges do that.

Kinda disgusted with the so-called letter from the boys.
I am now even more disgusted with MJ & KJ for not being
honest with the boys about Julie! My god, who could NOT
tell those boys what a marvelous, loving & caring mother Julie was to them?

I saw David in court....oh my!:shock:....that boy is in need of a haircut & style.......about as bad as Shawna Nelson.


Hi DeeJay!:happy0207:

Justice was served today.:yes2:

[jmrcville]

I saw David in court....oh my!:shock:....that boy is in need of a haircut & style.......about as bad as Shawna Nelson.

LOL!!!!!! I've got an 18 year old and his hair is long and scraggly like that too! Not frizzy, but, still long and BLAH! I BEG him on a regular basis to get his hair cut!

[gramvof14]

oh lawsy. honey, take a deep breath and a big hug (((gram))) from me.

I don't blame her either. Vent here, my friend, or pm me or email me. :love0085::1222423:
I called her husband and told him to call the hospital and get after them she needs the cat scan now its been 3 hours since she drank the berium. He called them and they are takeing her now. I need to take a valium right now I have to go to my heart Doc tomorrow, so far heart is behaving thank God. the biggest thing he says to me is to avoid stress what a joke that is.

[DeeJay]

LOL!!!!!! I've got an 18 year old and his hair is long and scraggly like that too! Not frizzy, but, still long and BLAH! I BEG him on a regular basis to get his hair cut!


Well, I have not seen your son. But the problem with David's is, he does not know how to take care of it. He
needs DEEP CONDITIONING!!

[wi_twin_mom]

WELL, FOLKS! My internet server wasn't working this morning
and missed all the sentencing. My internet server was serving when I got home.

I'd planned on starting and recording the trial before I
had to leave for my hair appt.

I've only been able to pick up bits here & there.
I am happy at the sentence and happier with words the judge
chose to say to MJ. I really appreciate judges that say
a good deal of what my thoughts are about a murderer.
Not ALL judges do that.

Kinda disgusted with the so-called letter from the boys.
I am now even more disgusted with MJ & KJ for not being
honest with the boys about Julie! My god, who could NOT
tell those boys what a marvelous, loving & caring mother Julie was to them?

I saw David in court....oh my!:shock:....that boy is in need of a haircut & style.......about as bad as Shawna Nelson.

Hi DeeJay, I'm convinced that letter was the work of Kelly and Ma Jensen! The boys were told nothing nice about their mother because that would ruin MJ's alibi. Julie wasn't right in the head and committed suicide to get back at their Dad. How sick! He should be charged with child abuse also!

[gramvof14]

[QUOTE=wi_twin_mom;140023]Now that I'm thinking about this - I don't think Albee had anything to do with the letter. He is smart enough to catch the 3rd party issue! This was all Kelly and Ma Jensen's work, for sure!!![/QUOT


maybe...but do you really think he hadn't practiced reading that prop ahead of time? nope. This was staged staged staged jmo!
ITA he didn't write it or he was told what to write.

[kindee]

WELL, FOLKS! My internet server wasn't working this morning
and missed all the sentencing. My internet server was serving when I got home.

I'd planned on starting and recording the trial before I
had to leave for my hair appt.

I've only been able to pick up bits here & there.
I am happy at the sentence and happier with words the judge
chose to say to MJ. I really appreciate judges that say
a good deal of what my thoughts are about a murderer.
Not ALL judges do that.

Kinda disgusted with the so-called letter from the boys.
I am now even more disgusted with MJ & KJ for not being
honest with the boys about Julie! My god, who could NOT
tell those boys what a marvelous, loving & caring mother Julie was to them?

I saw David in court....oh my!:shock:....that boy is in need of a haircut & style.......about as bad as Shawna Nelson.

good point. If Mark and Kelly had been honest *cough* with the boys this would be a whole different story.

[DeeJay]

Hi DeeJay!:happy0207:

Justice was served today.:yes2:

YES!!! :hifive: loved, loved, loved to see the SMIRK wiped off MJ's ugly face.

I think it said a lot when KELLY had NOTHING to say on the behalf of MJ.

OH yes!!! I did get home in time to see Cutts get his, too!:hifive:

[kindee]

I called her husband and told him to call the hospital and get after them she needs the cat scan now its been 3 hours since she drank the berium. He called them and they are takeing her now. I need to take a valium right now I have to go to my heart Doc tomorrow, so far heart is behaving thank God. the biggest thing he says to me is to avoid stress what a joke that is.

Oh man I know. But honey. stop and accept this (((gramhug))).

breathe. :1222423:

[DeeJay]

good point. If Mark and Kelly had been honest *cough* with the boys this would be a whole different story.


I think it should be a CRIME, as in, against the law for ppl to keep the truth from the kids!

[DeeJay]

Hi DeeJay, I'm convinced that letter was the work of Kelly and Ma Jensen! The boys were told nothing nice about their mother because that would ruin MJ's alibi. Julie wasn't right in the head and committed suicide to get back at their Dad. How sick! He should be charged with child abuse also!


ITA with you. I don't believe the kids wrote a word of that
letter. Just signed it.

I agree, it is a form of child abuse. MJ & Kelly have mentally abused the kids by not telling them the truth.

In view of what the letter states, I doubt the kids will ever make contact with Julie's brothers.

IF that's truly the way the boys think of Julie, their "bio-mother" then they won't be interested in the $$$ they are
to aquire from her life insurance policy.

I mean if they really only see Julie as a woman that gave'
birth to them........then they shouldn't accept the $$$.

What say you?

[wi_twin_mom]

ITA with you. I don't believe the kids wrote a word of that
letter. Just signed it.

I agree, it is a form of child abuse. MJ & Kelly have mentally abused the kids by not telling them the truth.

In view of what the letter states, I doubt the kids will ever make contact with Julie's brothers.

IF that's truly the way the boys think of Julie, their "bio-mother" then they won't be interested in the $$$ they are
to aquire from her life insurance policy.

I mean if they really only see Julie as a woman that gave'
birth to them........then they shouldn't accept the $$$.


What say you?

Oh, I think they will accept the $! How else will they pay for college? MJ has no $ left and the parents are hocked up to their eyeballs!! I'm worried that they will be force (by Kelly and Ma & Pa) to use the $ to help their dad with the appeal. More brain washing going on!!!

[bigkitty]

Oh, I think they will accept the $! How else will they pay for college? MJ has no $ left and the parents are hocked up to their eyeballs!! I'm worried that they will be force (by Kelly and Ma & Pa) to use the $ to help their dad with the appeal. More brain washing going on!!!


I have the sincere hope that they (or maybe a close friend of theirs) have found these boards so they are able to consider the fact that their father really is guilty, and that they should keep the money for their education. I hope they will get transcripts of the trial, and maybe talk to the prosecutors and ask all the questions that must be going through their minds. And that they reach out to their uncles for the love and support that they will need to accept that their father did indeed kill their mother.

[Bernie]

YES!!! :hifive: loved, loved, loved to see the SMIRK wiped off MJ's ugly face.

I think it said a lot when KELLY had NOTHING to say on the behalf of MJ.

OH yes!!! I did get home in time to see Cutts get his, too!:hifive:

I had to go be infused and missed the Cutts sentance anyone know........:howdy:

[DeeJay]

Oh, I think they will accept the $! How else will they pay for college? MJ has no $ left and the parents are hocked up to their eyeballs!! I'm worried that they will be force (by Kelly and Ma & Pa) to use the $ to help their dad with the appeal. More brain washing going on!!!

Thank God! I thought everyone had left!! :022: And I just got here!

Well I think it would be stupid to take money from someone you care nothing about. Espeically to the depths
of how MJ has likely told them Lord knows what about Julie.
I don't think the boys have a very high opinion of Julie,
therefore it would be wrong to accept the $$$.

Yes I agree, I DO THINK the $$$ will be used for dad's
appeals. BANK ON IT.

MJ will tell David they will get the college $$$ later by some means, some how....b/c that's how devious MJ and
Kelly are. EVIL & DEVIOUS! They will screw over the kids
at any cost.

[DeeJay]

I had to go be infused and missed the Cutts sentance anyone know........:howdy:

57 years....he can't come up for parole eligibility until
he's 87 years old.
And that's just for coming before a parole board. Not that
he will get paroled.......he won't.

[wi_twin_mom]

Thank God! I thought everyone had left!! :022: And I just got here!

Well I think it would be stupid to take money from someone you care nothing about. Espeically to the depths
of how MJ has likely told them Lord knows what about Julie.
I don't think the boys have a very high opinion of Julie,
therefore it would be wrong to accept the $$$.

Yes I agree, I DO THINK the $$$ will be used for dad's
appeals. BANK ON IT.

MJ will tell David they will get the college $$$ later by some means, some how....b/c that's how devious MJ and
Kelly are. EVIL & DEVIOUS! They will screw over the kids
at any cost.
IIRC I heard Jambois talk about getting someone from the courts to watch over the $. I hope he does, this family is really sick! I think MJ has probablly talked about the $. He thinks he is still innocent(saying it doesn't make it true!) and that's his $.

[gramvof14]

Oh man I know. But honey. stop and accept this (((gramhug))).

breathe. :1222423:
thanks Kindee I needed that,your are very kind I am feeling better now that they took her for the cat scan.
Kindee that had to be so hard for the Griffin family to hear the letter and I won't say from David because I refuse to believe he wrote that.At 18 if he truely believed what was in that letter he would have read it himself.:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[Bernie]

57 years....he can't come up for parole eligibility until
he's 87 years old.
And that's just for coming before a parole board. Not that
he will get paroled.......he won't.

Thank you very much.....:howdy:

[wi_twin_mom]

Hi Gramof14,
I'm praying for you and your family.
:1222423:

[Bernie]

thanks Kindee I needed that,your are very kind I am feeling better now that they took her for the cat scan.
Kindee that had to be so hard for the Griffin family to hear the letter and I won't say from David because I refuse to believe he wrote that.At 18 if he truely believed what was in that letter he would have read it himself.:1187603408.CR.Mothe

I guess Im in the minority with my opinion that the boys probably did write that letter in support of thier father......I believe MJ did love his boys and while he is very evil he probably is worried about his boys future.........I feel for those 3 boys - MJ & KJ son also............:howdy:

[gramvof14]

Hi Gramof14,
I'm praying for you and your family.
:1222423:
Thank you WTM I appreciate it very much.:love0085:

[DeeJay]

Those Jensen boys have been under the thumbs and
total control, (just like Hitler's Nazis), of Mark &
Kelly for 10 years. The kid's minds are formed and
there's no turning back, not without professional intervention.

It's more difficult to de-program a bent mind than fix a broken leg.

You can bet the money David receives from his mothers'
estate, will go for the appeals. They need every cent of
that 50 grand now.

[DeeJay]

Thank you very much.....:howdy:


UR very welcome, Bernie. :howdy:

[DeeJay]

IIRC I heard Jambois talk about getting someone from the courts to watch over the $. I hope he does, this family is really sick! I think MJ has probablly talked about the $. He thinks he is still innocent(saying it doesn't make it true!) and that's his $.

David's 18, old enough to have his share NOW.

[DeeJay]

What is the name of the prison Jambois mentioned....I didn't catch it.

First MJ is going to Dodge for evaluation, but I couldn't
understand the name of the prison Dodge will send MJ
to.

It's suppose to be a 2 hour drive from Kenosha. It which
direction?

TIA!! :howdy:

[wi_twin_mom]

David's 18, old enough to have his share NOW.

Yes, but he wasn't when the death occured. I'm wondering if the insurance company will put it into trust for them. David might not be able to touch it, except for school tuition, until he is 25. I hope the insurance company has some leeway on how and when they distribute the money. Maybe someone on the board has some knowlege of how insurance companies handle stuff like this.

[wi_twin_mom]

What is the name of the prison Jambois mentioned....I didn't catch it.

First MJ is going to Dodge for evaluation, but I couldn't
understand the name of the prison Dodge will send MJ
to.

It's suppose to be a 2 hour drive from Kenosha. It which
direction?

TIA!! :howdy:

I think he is going to Waupun. pronounced "wah-pon" I think it north....I'll find out.

[gramvof14]

I guess Im in the minority with my opinion that the boys probably did write that letter in support of thier father......I believe MJ did love his boys and while he is very evil he probably is worried about his boys future.........I feel for those 3 boys - MJ & KJ son also............:howdy:
Why didn't he read it then if he is such a loving father and they love him, also why was there no emotion shown.I guess we will have to agree to disagree.I raised 2 sons and 4 Daughters I saw a lot of emotion when there father died and they all got up and spoke at his funeral because they loved him as well as he loved them.I saw no emotion from that family at all. BTW why was it writen in the third person very strange.

[kellabeck]

It was really odd that no one stood up for Mark.

Justin Barber is the only one I saw that had no one too!

Why didn't MJ's parents make a statement? Same reason why Melanie McGuire's parents didn't? hmmmmm?

Why didn't Kelly make a statement? DUH?????

Justin Barber's family wouldn't stand up for the jury, remember that???

[DeeJay]

Yes, but he wasn't when the death occured. I'm wondering if the insurance company will put it into trust for them. David might not be able to touch it, except for school tuition, until he is 25. I hope the insurance company has some leeway on how and when they distribute the money. Maybe someone on the board has some knowlege of how insurance companies handle stuff like this.

Way I always heard it, if the deceased didn't specify an
age or for what it's intended for, the beneficiary,
then when said beneficiary is of legal age, they can
have it at that time.

[wi_twin_mom]

Waupun Prison is in the city of Waupun. Its about half hour drive S.W. of Fond du Lac. It would be about a 2 hour drive from Kenosha.

[DeeJay]

I think he is going to Waupun. pronounced "wah-pon" I think it north....I find out.


I found it!! Maped it, too! hahaha!!

Like Banfield, I was SO HOPING they'd send him so far
far away it'd be a hardship for any family to visit him.

And who were the 2 nutcase friends of MJ's, that were interviewing on ctv? :rolleye0001: Simple minded ppl. :thud2:

How come they didn't speak in court today for their DEAR
FRIEND MJ? huh?

I still cannot get over Kelly having NOTHING to say today, not even for herself and Andrew. What was Kelly scared of? :71526:

[wi_twin_mom]

Way I always heard it, if the deceased didn't specify an
age or for what it's intended for, the beneficiary,
then when said beneficiary is of legal age, they can
have it at that time.

That's why I was asking for input about the subject. I wish we knew more. The lady from the insurance company that testified was too early in the trial to be on YouTube. :girl_sad:

[DeeJay]

Waupun Prison is in the city of Waupun. Its about half hour drive S.W. of Fond du Lac. It would be about a 2 hour drive from Kenosha.


It appears to have several highways that jog off. Get on and off different ones. Not an easy way to get there really.
GOOD!!! :basic44:

He's gonna have plenty of company 24/7 anyway. :girl_haha:

[wi_twin_mom]

I found it!! Maped it, too! hahaha!!

Like Banfield, I was SO HOPING they'd send him so far
far away it'd be a hardship for any family to visit him.

And who were the 2 nutcase friends of MJ's, that were interviewing on ctv? :rolleye0001: Simple minded ppl. :thud2:

How come they didn't speak in court today for their DEAR
FRIEND MJ? huh?

I still cannot get over Kelly having NOTHING to say today, not even for herself and Andrew. What was Kelly scared of? :71526:

I thougth I read on the "other site" that some lawyer posted that WI law doesn't allow the convicted family members to speak. Maybe that's why Albee read the letter?:0009:

[DeeJay]

That's why I was asking for input about the subject. I wish we knew more. The lady from the insurance company that testified was too early in the trial to be on YouTube. :girl_sad:

I missed the first few days, :1187603408.CR.Motheb/c I didn't have a 'live' link until then.

[DeeJay]

I thougth I read on the "other site" that some lawyer posted that WI law doesn't allow the convicted family members to speak. Maybe that's why Albee read the letter?:0009:

Hells bells, Kelly can WRITE! can she not? :francis:
LOL!!

[wi_twin_mom]

It appears to have several highways that jog off. Get on and off different ones. Not an easy way to get there really.
GOOD!!! :basic44:

He's gonna have plenty of company 24/7 anyway. :girl_haha:

Plus, he'll have lots of "his special body parts" to see and catagorize by size, shape, color, etc. :girl_haha:

[IfIMay]

Hells bells, Kelly can WRITE! can she not? :francis:
LOL!!

Kelly didn't speak or write cause she wants him gone. Divorce. Move on to the next victim...er married man. She got herself some highlights and better clothes...time to troll.

[DeeJay]

Justin Barber's family wouldn't stand up for the jury, remember that???

:0012: HELLO, KELLA!!!

Yes, you are right....Barber tribe remained seated. Judge should have held them in contempt.

(I'd had a trying day......:1187603408.CR.Mothe)

[wi_twin_mom]

Hells bells, Kelly can WRITE! can she not? :francis:
LOL!!

Maybe she'll get some kind of award for it!!!!!!!!!:67302:

[DeeJay]

Kelly didn't speak or write cause she wants him gone. Divorce. Move on to the next victim...er married man. She got herself some highlights and better clothes...time to troll.

:party52: wooot! LOL!!

I noticed her 'highlights.' Hey, does that not cost a few
buck$?

[DeeJay]

Maybe she'll get some kind of award for it!!!!!!!!!:67302:


I mean, lawdy!! She could have written something for the
sake of Andrew, don't ya think?

In Cutts, his ex spoke up for her kid w/ Cutts.

[wi_twin_mom]

:party52: wooot! LOL!!

I noticed her 'highlights.' Hey, does that not cost a few
buck$?

Yes! I thought she was poor and needed reduced lunch for the boys! It also looked like she was wearing alittle make-up today.

[Cornblossom]

IMO...she will keep the 14 yr old..Doug?.......around so he can baby sit the youngest when she goes out.

[wi_twin_mom]

I mean, lawdy!! She could have written something for the
sake of Andrew, don't ya think?

In Cutts, his ex spoke up for her kid w/ Cutts.

You know I thought that it was strange that the other son wasn't mentioned, not even in the letter. Now I'm wondering, with her past, if the kid is even MJ's!!!!!

[IfIMay]

I have a stoopid question. If Jensen's gonna be behind bars for the rest of his life, why does the Judge tell him the firearm restrictions? I doubt prison would say it was ok. Just curious. SLSmith has the brothers' statements up.

[DeeJay]

Yes! I thought she was poor and needed reduced lunch for the boys! It also looked like she was wearing alittle make-up today.

Indeed. there was a remarkable difference in her today, compared to appearance in the trial.

Those highlights cost a few buck$..I just had a bad cut &
perm today and it cost 80 buck$, plus the gratuity.

[wi_twin_mom]

My dh just called I'm meeting him for supper. Maybe I'll be back later. It depends what's on tv tonight.

[DeeJay]

You know I thought that it was strange that the other son wasn't mentioned, not even in the letter. Now I'm wondering, with her past, if the kid is even MJ's!!!!!


His or not....he has the Jensen name & raised in that
household.

It is so odd, Kelly didn't at least speak for Andrew. Those
statements go on the court & prison records for future.

[DeeJay]

I have a stoopid question. If Jensen's gonna be behind bars for the rest of his life, why does the Judge tell him the firearm restrictions? I doubt prison would say it was ok. Just curious. SLSmith has the brothers' statements up.


I thought that was a bit strange thing to say.

I LOVE how the judge got his 2 cents worth into MJ. :zm10:

I reckon inmates having firearms is against the rules. :francis:
:girl_haha:

[need2no]

I have a stoopid question. If Jensen's gonna be behind bars for the rest of his life, why does the Judge tell him the firearm restrictions? I doubt prison would say it was ok. Just curious. SLSmith has the brothers' statements up.


I know it's only protocol but when the judge was rattling off about the firearms and not being able to vote I actually laughed out loud and thought to myself...like Mark really gives a big hoot about those things right now. I dare say Mark probably wishes that was all he had to be worried about and concerned with today and in the future.

[kellabeck]

Hey, I just got lost. I went to vote on the questions is Kelly in cahoots? I couldn't find it on CNN so I typed in TruTV and they have a message board..Are they connected to In Session. they seem to have alot of members..Just curious if any of you know.
and does anyone have a link so I can Vote about Kelly..I think she was.?

Schotzie that wasn't a poll question but an essay question! The winner said, yes, she knew MJ was going to dispose of his wife.

[DeeJay]

Let's see.........

Mark Jensen is a....

Con man

Liar

Cheat

Thief

Murderer (now, one step above Dillard.)

Dillard is only lookin' at 7 yrs. max in a min.
secuity prison.

Jensen's got LWOP in a Max prison. :s1gyahoo:

[kellabeck]

Good one, DeeJay!!!!

[jcc]

I'm sitting in a motel on the lobby computer... does anyone have the link... is there a youtube video of the sentencing?

I heard that he got life without parole, my husband texted me that much.

I was trying to catch up on 90 pages of posts here.... and got as far as seeing that both David and Kelly were there.... but have no idea what was said.

I have a few minutes here, and will have a few more in the morning, but if there is a link someone could drop me it would be of great help. I was so bummed to have to miss this.

[DeeJay]

I'm sitting in a motel on the lobby computer... does anyone have the link... is there a youtube video of the sentencing?

I heard that he got life without parole, my husband texted me that much.

I was trying to catch up on 90 pages of posts here.... and got as far as seeing that both David and Kelly were there.... but have no idea what was said.

I have a few minutes here, and will have a few more in the morning, but if there is a link someone could drop me it would be of great help. I was so bummed to have to miss this.


Yes, check YOUTUBE....

[DeeJay]

Good one, DeeJay!!!!

Thanks! :howdy:

The image of Albee in court penning that list when
Dillard was being crossed just popped into my mind
& I just HAD to post the NEW list. :hifive:

[twinkiesmom]

Thanks for the LINK, Pinky!!!!!! Do they have those in Cedarburg?
:basic45: <Told you I don't get out much!>

The Kringles I've seen in Northern Illinois were imported from a bakery in Racine.

[DeeJay]

The Kringles I've seen in Northern Illinois were imported from a bakery in Racine.

What are Kringles & where's the link? :0009:

I live in Nevada and we don't know Kringles. :girl_haha:

[DeeJay]

Albee beats everything, you know that?

Jambois was asked by the judge if he wished to speak,
and Jambois, (being the respectful gentleman he is),
was saying he wanted to wait until the family,
(Julie's brothers) had their say first.

DANG! IF Albee didn't butt in and say HE had a LETTER
from the JENSEN BOYS, he'd like to READ FIRST! :duh:
WHAT AN IDIOT!! BUTTING IN!! :71541:

The judge hadn't asked Albee squat! Did he think the judge wouldn't
give the Jensen tribe a chance to speak...:rolleye0001:

[twinkiesmom]

I think the letter is too badly written to have been composed by David Jensen, an 18-year-old honor student with aspirations of medical school. He would have been trained to write better than that for the written portion of the college boards.

I am guessing Kelly on this one (with the help of a spell checker)...do not believe she went to college or excelled in high school...

Some "educated" words (e.g, obscured, devastated, etc) were thrown into the document to make it seem like a scholar wrote it but really poor fluency overall. Some sentences are just fragments. Tenses jumping all over the place. Missing prepositions.

Use of third person in the holding David and Douglas is a giveaway. David would not have had a vivid memory of seeing himself and Douglas held.

I don't think Albee had anything to do with this other than possibly asking it be done. Whoever composed this is not used to putting thoughts on paper in a coherent fashion. And for anyone not familiar with the school systems today, children are trained to write as soon as they can hold a pencil. My ten year olds write better sentences than this (albeit with a more limited vocabulary).

[twinkiesmom]

What are Kringles & where's the link? :0009:

I live in Nevada and we don't know Kringles. :girl_haha:

Racine is apparently the home of the Kringle:
http://www.kringle.com/
https://store.ohdanishbakery.com/ohdb/str001
http://www.larsenskringle.com/
http://www.racinedanish.com/

[DeeJay]

Racine is apparently the home of the Kringle:
http://www.kringle.com/
https://store.ohdanishbakery.com/ohdb/str001
http://www.larsenskringle.com/
http://www.racinedanish.com/

They look a bit like cross between poptarts & strudel.

[DeeJay]

I didn't get to hear Mr.
Jambois's statement to the court & can't find
it online, video or in print.

Has anyone come across either of those? TIA.

[DeeJay]

The judges's chair in Kenosha doesn't recline or swivel.
Maybe that's why he did so much reclining in Elkhorn.
He was lovin' that chair! :girl_haha:

It looks more like a throne with a large emblem on it.

I like the looks of that Kenosha courtroom. :basic45:

[IfIMay]

I didn't get to hear Mr.
Jambois's statement to the court & can't find
it online, video or in print.

Has anyone come across either of those? TIA.

I've been waiting for it, too. He was so eloquent. I'll let you know if I find it.

[DeeJay]

Folks, know what I gained from between
the lines of the letter written by (ahem) the boys?

I will bet there isn't & hasn't been a trace of Julie in
the MJ house since her death. No photos, no momentos,
zip, zilch, nada.

And if MJ had Julie cremated, where are her ashes? Not
in that house. Who really thinks MJ or Kelly would have
kept those ashes?

Lordy, MJ made no bones about putting her personal
belongings out for the rubbish collector straight away.
Ya think he'd keep her ashes? I do not.

One of Julie's brothers said today they didn't get anything
from MJ of Julies.

I think Paul got Julie's car but he may have paid MJ
for it. I am not sure of the transaction.

[Lynn Gweeny]

I've been waiting for it, too. He was so eloquent. I'll let you know if I find it.

Mr. Jambois' statement is about 3/4 of the way into the audio link.

Listen to the sentencing hearing, including letters from Mark Jensen's sons, Julie Jensen's brothers, and the final decision by judge Bruce Schroeder

http://www.620wtmj.com/podcasts/newstogo/16027057.html?video=pop&t=a

If the link above does not work, click on:

Mark Jensen Sentenced To Life Without Parole
Feb 27, 2008 at 10:52 AM CST

Listen to the sentencing hearing, including letters from Mark Jensen's sons, Julie Jensen's brothers, and the final decision by judge Bruce Schroeder

http://www.620wtmj.com/results?keywords=Listen+to+the+Mark+Jensen+sentenc ing+hearing&searchType=gen&submit.x=20&submit.y=16

[DeeJay]

Mr. Jambois' statement is about 3/4 of the way into the audio link.

Listen to the sentencing hearing, including letters from Mark Jensen's sons, Julie Jensen's brothers, and the final decision by judge Bruce Schroeder

http://www.620wtmj.com/podcasts/newstogo/16027057.html?video=pop&t=a

If the link above does not work, click on:

Mark Jensen Sentenced To Life Without Parole
Feb 27, 2008 at 10:52 AM CST

Listen to the sentencing hearing, including letters from Mark Jensen's sons, Julie Jensen's brothers, and the final decision by judge Bruce Schroeder

http://www.620wtmj.com/results?keywords=Listen+to+the+Mark+Jensen+sentenc ing+hearing&searchType=gen&submit.x=20&submit.y=16


HOT DANG!! :hifive: THANK YOU!! :howdy:

[IfIMay]

Thank you sooo much for the link, Lynn G. I really appreciate it. Jambois was *on* it. He spoke for Julie and her family today.

[RayStar]

I wonder what Julie's sons have been taught all of these years. How can anyone be so hateful as to want to erase the life of a mother. Julie was a mother. I am so glad the judge saw MJ for what he was/is. I hope some charge can be levied against KJ. Probably not. I can dream. So cold are MJ and KJ. It was totally unbelievable today to hear Albee read that letter supposedly from Julie's sons. I felt pain and I think her brothers had to be seething. People have posted where were friends of MJ's. I have wondered also. No one spoke of their friendship.
I hope Julie's sons will one day want to learn more about their mother. Perhaps they willl realize that MJ and KJ wanted to wipe their mother's existence away like soiled toliet tissue.
Many posters have questioned Julie's reason for staying and why she never told anyone other than the Wojts. Maybe if she had worked outside of the home she would have had more contact with ADULTS and well perhaps. Yes some of this was exhibited when she told David's teacher. I see Julie as being a caregiver putting herself last always. Too bad she was so too trusting.
I hope the Griffin family will let the boys come to them and not persue any contact. I pray in time they will.
Sorry for the rant. THIS IS JUST AWFUL!

[need2no]

Mr. Jambois' statement is about 3/4 of the way into the audio link.

Listen to the sentencing hearing, including letters from Mark Jensen's sons, Julie Jensen's brothers, and the final decision by judge Bruce Schroeder

http://www.620wtmj.com/podcasts/newstogo/16027057.html?video=pop&t=a

If the link above does not work, click on:

Mark Jensen Sentenced To Life Without Parole
Feb 27, 2008 at 10:52 AM CST

Listen to the sentencing hearing, including letters from Mark Jensen's sons, Julie Jensen's brothers, and the final decision by judge Bruce Schroeder

http://www.620wtmj.com/results?keywords=Listen+to+the+Mark+Jensen+sentenc ing+hearing&searchType=gen&submit.x=20&submit.y=16



:happy0207: Lynn! It is great to see "the link queen" posting over here. Hope you remember me, it's been a little while.

[Lynn Gweeny]

:happy0207: Lynn! It is great to see "the link queen" posting over here. Hope you remember me, it's been a little while.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/Hello%20Check%20In/wavesmile.gif need. I'm the http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/MB%20Expressions/noobie.gif here, but as you can see, I brought my http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/MB%20Expressions/link.gif with me. :girl_haha:

[need2no]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/Hello%20Check%20In/wavesmile.gif need. I'm the http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/MB%20Expressions/noobie.gif here, but as you can see, I brought my http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/MB%20Expressions/link.gif with me. :girl_haha:

Yes you did and I'm not surprised a bit..you always seem to have just the right links in your back pocket and whip them out at just the right time!

Hope you will hang out at this board often, it is great here and I know you will like this place. :)

[DeeJay]

Thank you sooo much for the link, Lynn G. I really appreciate it. Jambois was *on* it. He spoke for Julie and her family today.


He was also trying to plant the seed of truth in the mind
of David....seek the truth....read :INhouseReading04: the
transcripts of the trial.

I was impressed he used two of my words for MJ...
DEVIOUS & EVIL.

[SusiePMcD]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/Hello%20Check%20In/wavesmile.gif need. I'm the http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/MB%20Expressions/noobie.gif here, but as you can see, I brought my http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/MB%20Expressions/link.gif with me. :girl_haha:


OH Lynn! So happy to SEE you here:howdy::s1gyahoo::0012::love0085:

WELCOME

I have been watching the hearing on Youtube tonight...work really gets in

the way!!LOL...Glad you came over to this great place.

Hats off to my favorite "LINK QUEEN"

now back to reading:INhouseReading04:I cheated as usual..I jumped to the last

page to say HELLO everyone!!!

I must say the hearing was emotional for me. May Julie rest in peace,

knowing her killer husband went down...and he "will get ..HIS DUE" in prison!

May god help her boys through this. Julie will be forever watching over them.

[Audie]

3 big time sentences in one day. Mark Jensen, Bobby Cutts, and this dude.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/5576562.html

[ja77]

I was thinking about Mark and Julie's son as I was driving home and I had one of those "lightbulb" moments and was wondering if anyone has wrote about this on the board or thought about it.

We all saw David Jensen in the courtroom this morning and noticed that he is a nice looking young man. In fact, he looks like "I believe" Mark would have looked when he was younger. I also noticed the closeness that he has with Kelly Jensen. So my question is this: David Jensen is now "technically" the man of the household and is an adult (18), so is it too far of a reach for me to worry about a relationship that could potentially develop between he and KJ? I mean, they are probably both suffering since MJ has been sent to prison and are probably offering each other comfort. So who thinks that a relationship (sexual I mean) could possibly develop between them? Am I way off base? I mean we all know what KJ is capable of so seducing a lonesome, confused young man far out her reach? Let me know if this is just one of my crazy thoughts!!:shrug: :eyebrow1qb:

[DeeJay]

3 big time sentences in one day. Mark Jensen, Bobby Cutts, and this dude.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/5576562.html

WOW! Death penalty? IL? :confused:

I thought IL nixed the DP years ago. :z0tdntknw:

[SusiePMcD]

You smell lovely, Summer. I followed the scent from the last thread to here. I've always love the odor of engine oil. :)



HELLO FRANKIE:howdy::basic44:nice to SEE you:basic44:

was just back reading and saw you here!:0012:WELCOME:girl_haha:

[bigkitty]

The judges's chair in Kenosha doesn't recline or swivel.
Maybe that's why he did so much reclining in Elkhorn.
He was lovin' that chair! :girl_haha:

It looks more like a throne with a large emblem on it.

I like the looks of that Kenosha courtroom. :basic45:

DeeJay, I thought the same thing!:D He was having a grand old time in that Elkhorn chair!:girl_haha:

[SusiePMcD]

I think that whoever wrote the letter was recounting Mark's *memory* of holding the boys on his lap. I'm with you Frankie. The phraseology of that letter didn't come from the heart of a 18 year old young man aching for his Dad. I'm sure he had input, but he didn't write it. It wasn't in the first person at all.


DITTO.....the wording is SO..........wrong!!!!!!

[SusiePMcD]

Iffy I really thought something was stinky from the first word out of ALBEE's mouth, didn't you?

Hi Kindee...Yes ...I could SMELL it here in TEXAS!!!!!:francis:

[bigkitty]

I was thinking about Mark and Julie's son as I was driving home and I had one of those "lightbulb" moments and was wondering if anyone has wrote about this on the board or thought about it.

We all saw David Jensen in the courtroom this morning and noticed that he is a nice looking young man. In fact, he looks like "I believe" Mark would have looked when he was younger. I also noticed the closeness that he has with Kelly Jensen. So my question is this: David Jensen is now "technically" the man of the household and is an adult (18), so is it too far of a reach for me to worry about a relationship that could potentially develop between he and KJ? I mean, they are probably both suffering since MJ has been sent to prison and are probably offering each other comfort. So who thinks that a relationship (sexual I mean) could possibly develop between them? Am I way off base? I mean we all know what KJ is capable of so seducing a lonesome, confused young man far out her reach? Let me know if this is just one of my crazy thoughts!!:shrug: :eyebrow1qb:

Hi J! It makes me ill to even consider that thought, but knowing what I know of KJ, it wouldn't surprise me at all. That woman has no morals. The thought crossed my mind also. You aren't alone in that.

[SusiePMcD]

You know I was wondering too why no one else from the Jensen Clan spoke up for Mark. No family, friends, nada.

Hi BL...something else I found so odd. Marks parents were not close at

all...NO holding hands or...closeness odf ANY kind. FGS...there son is going

to prison forever and they are NOT even consoling (sp) each other!!!!!!:0009:

[shortcake]

Something about David's demeanor was definitely wrong, but there was so many possible reasons for the way he seemed, it would be hard to know the exact one, if there is only one, without some serious counseling. Any who have read my posts for a while know these boys have been on my heart and will continue to be so for some time to come.

[SusiePMcD]

IMO...she will keep the 14 yr old..Doug?.......around so he can baby sit the youngest when she goes out.

:shock:yep...while she goes Mattress jumping!!!:shock:

(guess markie will be doing the same thing...kinda...on a cold concrete floor!)

:67302:

[wi_twin_mom]

I was thinking about Mark and Julie's son as I was driving home and I had one of those "lightbulb" moments and was wondering if anyone has wrote about this on the board or thought about it.

We all saw David Jensen in the courtroom this morning and noticed that he is a nice looking young man. In fact, he looks like "I believe" Mark would have looked when he was younger. I also noticed the closeness that he has with Kelly Jensen. So my question is this: David Jensen is now "technically" the man of the household and is an adult (18), so is it too far of a reach for me to worry about a relationship that could potentially develop between he and KJ? I mean, they are probably both suffering since MJ has been sent to prison and are probably offering each other comfort. So who thinks that a relationship (sexual I mean) could possibly develop between them? Am I way off base? I mean we all know what KJ is capable of so seducing a lonesome, confused young man far out her reach? Let me know if this is just one of my crazy thoughts!!:shrug: :eyebrow1qb:

I was thinking about this same thing earlier today and dismissed it as a crazy thought on my account. I guess I was too afraid to post about it. But now that you've brought it up, Kelly is very needy, as we all know! Think about all the teachers having sex with their students! It's not as far fetched as we think. I so hope we're wrong!

[SusiePMcD]

You know I thought that it was strange that the other son wasn't mentioned, not even in the letter. Now I'm wondering, with her past, if the kid is even MJ's!!!!!

Time for a DNA test :shock:

[SusiePMcD]

Let's see.........

Mark Jensen is a....

Con man

Liar

Cheat

Thief

Murderer (now, one step above Dillard.)

Dillard is only lookin' at 7 yrs. max in a min.
secuity prison.


Jensen's got LWOP in a Max prison. :s1gyahoo:


:basic44::zm10::basic44:puts a smile on my face

[Bernie]

I wonder what Julie's sons have been taught all of these years. How can anyone be so hateful as to want to erase the life of a mother. Julie was a mother. I am so glad the judge saw MJ for what he was/is. I hope some charge can be levied against KJ. Probably not. I can dream. So cold are MJ and KJ. It was totally unbelievable today to hear Albee read that letter supposedly from Julie's sons. I felt pain and I think her brothers had to be seething. People have posted where were friends of MJ's. I have wondered also. No one spoke of their friendship.
I hope Julie's sons will one day want to learn more about their mother. Perhaps they willl realize that MJ and KJ wanted to wipe their mother's existence away like soiled toliet tissue.
Many posters have questioned Julie's reason for staying and why she never told anyone other than the Wojts. Maybe if she had worked outside of the home she would have had more contact with ADULTS and well perhaps. Yes some of this was exhibited when she told David's teacher. I see Julie as being a caregiver putting herself last always. Too bad she was so too trusting.
I hope the Griffin family will let the boys come to them and not persue any contact. I pray in time they will.
Sorry for the rant. THIS IS JUST AWFUL!

I believe she also told the cop who befriended her............the one who along with the det. first saw the photo and were no help to her.......in fact I believe the nieghbor Wojts over the cop when he said JJ talked to him and she motioned like the cop thought she was nuts..........I wonder if he is haunted.....:howdy:

[SusiePMcD]

The judges's chair in Kenosha doesn't recline or swivel.
Maybe that's why he did so much reclining in Elkhorn.
He was lovin' that chair! :girl_haha:

It looks more like a throne with a large emblem on it.

I like the looks of that Kenosha courtroom. :basic45:


It looked like a "kings" throne:basic45:

[Bernie]

3 big time sentences in one day. Mark Jensen, Bobby Cutts, and this dude.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/5576562.html

Another evil psyco....:howdy:

[DeeJay]

WHOA! Who on the Jensen
side of the courtroom got tossed out!!? :shock:

I just now saw that on youtube! :francis:

I'd like to know who that guy was and what he
did to anger the judge whilst he was reading the
history of a "Dying Declaration."

[Bernie]

I was thinking about Mark and Julie's son as I was driving home and I had one of those "lightbulb" moments and was wondering if anyone has wrote about this on the board or thought about it.

We all saw David Jensen in the courtroom this morning and noticed that he is a nice looking young man. In fact, he looks like "I believe" Mark would have looked when he was younger. I also noticed the closeness that he has with Kelly Jensen. So my question is this: David Jensen is now "technically" the man of the household and is an adult (18), so is it too far of a reach for me to worry about a relationship that could potentially develop between he and KJ? I mean, they are probably both suffering since MJ has been sent to prison and are probably offering each other comfort. So who thinks that a relationship (sexual I mean) could possibly develop between them? Am I way off base? I mean we all know what KJ is capable of so seducing a lonesome, confused young man far out her reach? Let me know if this is just one of my crazy thoughts!!:shrug: :eyebrow1qb:

There is a photo of MJ in 1978 on JJ brothers site.......I believe he was either 18 or 19 at the time.....:howdy:

[SusiePMcD]

It looked like a "kings" throne:basic45:


uuuummmmm....looks like i'm talkin to myself!!! LOl...guess it is time for bed..goodnight all

...and THANK for all the great posts...and keeping me in the loop.:basic45:

[Bernie]

WHOA! Who on the Jensen
side of the courtroom got tossed out!!? :shock:

I just now saw that on youtube! :francis:

I'd like to know who that guy was and what he
did to anger the judge whilst he was reading the
history of a "Dying Declaration."

I think Pinky also was left wondering and she was there.....:howdy:

[Pinkypoo]

WHOA! Who on the Jensen
side of the courtroom got tossed out!!? :shock:

I just now saw that on youtube! :francis:

I'd like to know who that guy was and what he
did to anger the judge whilst he was reading the
history of a "Dying Declaration."

I don't know who he was....but I'm taking a good guess and saying it's a crazy poster over on the Kenosha News boards named UncleBob. He seems to be "sorta" fessing up to it. He's not telling why he was thrown out if it's him.

[wi_twin_mom]

One story about being in the courtroom today just popped into my head.....

When we were waiting for the sentencing to begin Jambois walked in with Ms. Gabrielle. We noticed his hair was not combed. I was worried what everyone would say on the boards (not here!) about his hair! He finally stopped by the ppl behind us to say hello to someone. They mentioned to him about his hair, he quickly ran his fingers through his hair to fix it. Then he must have combed it or gone in back because he looked good on camera. Just another memory from today!

[DeeJay]

Time for a DNA test :shock:

I dunno but I think it's strange they didn't get married
until Kelly was about 5 months pregnant.

I really don't think MJ had any intentions of marrying
Kelly....I truly don't.

By law, little Andrew is a Jensen b/c he was born under
the Jensen name.

I feel kinda sorry for that little guy, he's what only about 4 or 5?
Can't come close to comprehending what's happened.

[Pinkypoo]

Yes all of us there on our side of the courtroom had no freiggen idea what happened until the judge yelled at him.
It's my mission now to find out what it was all about. LOL

[Pinkypoo]

One story about being in the courtroom today just popped into my head.....

When we were waiting for the sentencing to begin Jambois walked in with Ms. Gabrielle. We noticed his hair was not combed. I was worried what everyone would say on the boards (not here!) about his hair! He finally stopped by the ppl behind us to say hello to someone. They mentioned to him about his hair, he quickly ran his fingers through his hair to fix it. Then he must have combed it or gone in back because he looked good on camera. Just another memory from today!

OMG I forgot about that. It was to darn funny!

[Bernie]

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg48/bernieh/f4fb748c.jpg


Mark in 1978

[DeeJay]

I don't know who he was....but I'm taking a good guess and saying it's a crazy poster over on the Kenosha News boards named UncleBob. He seems to be "sorta" fessing up to it. He's not telling why he was thrown out if it's him.

I was NOT expecting anything like that, I was engrossed
in what the judge was saying. When the judge
started shouting at someone, I jumped back in my chair!! :girl_haha:

I didn't hear any of the anchors on tv say anything about
it. Nor Jean.

PLEASE!!! Someone find out WHO that was!!:basic44:

[Pinkypoo]

Good Heavens! If you put Davids hair on Mj's face in that pic....they could be twins!

[DeeJay]

Yes all of us there on our side of the courtroom had no freiggen idea what happened until the judge yelled at him.
It's my mission now to find out what it was all about. LOL


OMG!! Will you do that for us? PLEASE!!:hifive:

It's gonna drive me nutz until I find out....not that I'd know him, just curiousity, dontcha know. :girl_haha:

[Bernie]

Good Heavens! If you put Davids hair on Mj's face in that pic....they could be twins!

My thought exactly.......oh and thanks for your reporting today.......:howdy:

[Pinkypoo]

I know it's killing me too! LOL

[Bernie]

OMG!! Will you do that for us? PLEASE!!:hifive:

It's gonna drive me nutz until I find out....not that I'd know him, just curiousity, dontcha know. :girl_haha:

If that was unclebob at least I saw what the........looks like...:0doh:

[wi_twin_mom]

I don't know who he was....but I'm taking a good guess and saying it's a crazy poster over on the Kenosha News boards named UncleBob. He seems to be "sorta" fessing up to it. He's not telling why he was thrown out if it's him.

Did you see this on the KN boards?? I've read some of them before, he is really weird!!!! Think of the NGs on the other board and put them on steriods!! Thats what that uncle bob reminds me of. We didn't hear him make any noise. I think he must have been mocking the Judge by making faces! How sad a grown man would do this!

[DeeJay]

Good Heavens! If you put Davids hair on Mj's face in that pic....they could be twins!

Closeup in today's videos, David has Julie's eyes. Everything else, is a carbon copy of Mark.

QUESTION!! Did you not hear what the heckler had said?
The judge heard him and he was further away than the
spectators.

I wish I know what he said. Not so much who he is, but
I'd sure appreciate both.

[DeeJay]

If that was unclebob at least I saw what the........looks like...:0doh:


Oh I see, a poster on a local bb? I've not seen that
bb.

[wi_twin_mom]

Closeup in today's videos, David has Julie's eyes. Everything else, is a carbon copy of Mark.

QUESTION!! Did you not hear what the heckler had said?
The judge heard him and he was further away than the
spectators.

I wish I know what he said. Not so much who he is, but
I'd sure appreciate both.

Check out my post on the last page, at the bottom....

[DeeJay]

Did you see this on the KN boards?? I've read some of them before, he is really weird!!!! Think of the NGs on the other board and put them on steriods!! Thats what that uncle bob reminds me of. We didn't hear him make any noise. I think he must have been mocking the Judge by making faces! How sad a grown man would do this!


Oh, okay so he was making jestures, like the court
jester? :girl_haha: How lame.

[Orchid Corsage]

I was thinking about Mark and Julie's son as I was driving home and I had one of those "lightbulb" moments and was wondering if anyone has wrote about this on the board or thought about it.

We all saw David Jensen in the courtroom this morning and noticed that he is a nice looking young man. In fact, he looks like "I believe" Mark would have looked when he was younger. I also noticed the closeness that he has with Kelly Jensen. So my question is this: David Jensen is now "technically" the man of the household and is an adult (18), so is it too far of a reach for me to worry about a relationship that could potentially develop between he and KJ? I mean, they are probably both suffering since MJ has been sent to prison and are probably offering each other comfort. So who thinks that a relationship (sexual I mean) could possibly develop between them? Am I way off base? I mean we all know what KJ is capable of so seducing a lonesome, confused young man far out her reach? Let me know if this is just one of my crazy thoughts!!:shrug: :eyebrow1qb:

ja77, it crossed my mind! I sure hope not tho.

[DeeJay]

Check out my post on the last page, at the bottom....


Got it! I'm straightened out now.

But I thought the judge was looking down at his
document at that moment. That's what led me
to think he'd "heard" heckling.

[wi_twin_mom]

Well, I think I've just about had it. Had a rough night and got up early for court. Good night everyone. Don't forget to watch 20/20 Fri. night. Maybe we can all gettogether during the show to discuss it. Just an idea.........

[DeeJay]

Well, I think I've just about had it. Had a rough night and got up early for court. Good night everyone. Don't forget to watch 20/20 Fri. night. Maybe we can all gettogether during the show to discuss it. Just an idea.........

I've had a long day as well.

But I'm not on the same time zone, so I can't join in
on the discussion with ya. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[Bernie]

Well, I think I've just about had it. Had a rough night and got up early for court. Good night everyone. Don't forget to watch 20/20 Fri. night. Maybe we can all gettogether during the show to discuss it. Just an idea.........

Good nite....:howdy:

[wi_twin_mom]

I've had a long day as well.

But I'm not on the same time zone, so I can't join in
on the discussion with ya. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

Come and discuss with us anyway....you'll know what we're talking about.
Night all.