Beheaded Murder Trial

[tbrito1]

Live on CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4

[sciencegirl]

I'm here. Thanks for the clean paper.:basic45:

[lovelaw]

I'm here. Thanks for the clean paper.:basic45:

I jusy have sound and a green screen on CNN and Clickondetroit!! Anyone else???????????

[tbrito1]

I jusy have sound and a green screen on CNN and Clickondetroit!! Anyone else???????????

i'm good here on CNN

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4

[gramvof14]

Live on CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4

Thanks tbrito for starting the thread for this trial:love0085:

[sciencegirl]

I jusy have sound and a green screen on CNN and Clickondetroit!! Anyone else???????????

I've got a great feed with sound from CNN. Judge is going to explain a few instructions before the lawyers start openings.

[tbrito1]

Thanks tbrito for starting the thread for this trial:love0085:

Your welcome gram!! This boy looks very sceerrreedd....I don't understand how a person looks so innocent and is able to do such a horrible crime....but then again, we haven't heard the trial yet so I should hold off on passing judgement just yet...:71541:to me.

[gramvof14]

I jusy have sound and a green screen on CNN and Clickondetroit!! Anyone else???????????
Mine is fine on CNN go off it and go back on Love:love0085:

[sciencegirl]

I didn't read all of the background on this as I didn't expect them to get started this fast. How old is this young kid? He looks like about 15.

[kindee]

I'm here but not "hear" IYKWIM.

[tbrito1]

why does the defendant have his back to the judge?

[kindee]

I didn't read all of the background on this as I didn't expect them to get started this fast. How old is this young kid? He looks like about 15.



If that. Sheesh! Hey did y'all see there is a verdict on Orange?

[tbrito1]

I didn't read all of the background on this as I didn't expect them to get started this fast. How old is this young kid? He looks like about 15.

he's 18, here's some info.

http://pysih.com/2007/12/02/alexander-letkemann-and-jean-pierre-orlewicz-appear-in-court/

[lovelaw]

I've got a great feed with sound from CNN. Judge is going to explain a few instructions before the lawyers start openings.

ALL GOOD NOW!~:zm10:

'Cept for kindee....................:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[gramvof14]

I didn't read all of the background on this as I didn't expect them to get started this fast. How old is this young kid? He looks like about 15.
He is 17 or 18 SG hard to believe at that age being so evil they just did it for fun.:shock:

[tbrito1]

I'm here but not "hear" IYKWIM.

:1187603408.CR.Mothe sorry Kindee

[lovelaw]

If that. Sheesh! Hey did y'all see there is a verdict on Orange?

NO! Where did you see that!~??

[Cornblossom]

I'm here but not "hear" IYKWIM.
I'd update for ya bud...but...I'm going over there>>>>>>>>LMAO

[kindee]

ALL GOOD NOW!~:zm10:

'Cept for kindee....................:1187603408.CR.Mothe




I've got a call in to DH. I'm going to try and give it another try.

*sigh* It's JUSt not my day.

[lovelaw]

I'm here but not "hear" IYKWIM.

:1187603408.CR.Mothe

Tomorrow it will be all better.:1222423:

[gramvof14]

If that. Sheesh! Hey did y'all see there is a verdict on Orange?
Really???? what is it ????:basic44:

[kindee]

NO! Where did you see that!~??




Update from Iffy--- and I don't think it's gonna be Not Guilty!

[sciencegirl]

I'm here but not "hear" IYKWIM.

We'll keep you posted Kindee. Judge is just giving the jury some instructions. What direct evidence is; what circumstantial evidence is; how to evaluate witnesses; use your own common sense; maintain an open mind, no talking to each other, the verdict must be unanimous.

Note books are going to be given to the jurors and will be collected each night.

The Prosecutor is going to begin his opening statements right now.

[lovelaw]

I'd update for ya bud...but...I'm going over there>>>>>>>>LMAO

:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[kindee]

Really???? what is it ????:basic44:



They are reading it at 2:30----

[lovelaw]

Update from Iffy--- and I don't think it's gonna be Not Guilty!

:basic44:From your mouth to the jury's ears!~

[kindee]

I'd update for ya bud...but...I'm going over there>>>>>>>>LMAO




Why, Corny? :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[tbrito1]

why is he not facing the jurors or judge, is that normal?

[lovelaw]

This kid looks so innocent. PROOF that looks can be deceiving!!! You can't judge a book by it's cover.....etc...etc.....

[tbrito1]

This kid looks so innocent. PROOF that looks can be deceiving!!! You can't judge a book by it's cover.....etc...etc.....

you absolutely right love!

[lovelaw]

He is 17 or 18 SG hard to believe at that age being so evil they just did it for fun.:shock:


UNbelievable! It is just sickening!~ This should be a death penalty case, IMO.

[lovelaw]

I've got a call in to DH. I'm going to try and give it another try.

*sigh* It's JUSt not my day.

GOOD LUCK!!~:basic44:

[sciencegirl]

The prosecutor is talking way too fast. Don't ya think.

[lovelaw]

why is he not facing the jurors or judge, is that normal?

I've never seen this before. It is odd that he has to turn around to view the evidence, and that he DOES. I had thought that maybe he was faced that way so he would not have to see the evidence...........but he turns to look.

He looks very distraught.........stoic.

[kindee]

I've never seen this before. It is odd that he has to turn around to view the evidence, and that he DOES. I had thought that maybe he was faced that way so he would not have to see the evidence...........but he turns to look.

He looks very distraught.........stoic.




He looks like he's gonna cry 'cause he didn't get a new Game Boy for Christmas or something.

Just WAY too young. But I do believe some of the most dangerous people are teenaged boys for many reasons.

These two...are over the top if what they are charged with is true.

[sciencegirl]

I've never seen this before. It is odd that he has to turn around to view the evidence, and that he DOES. I had thought that maybe he was faced that way so he would not have to see the evidence...........but he turns to look.

He looks very distraught.........stoic.

It's very strange; isn't it.

[lovelaw]

The prosecutor is talking way too fast. Don't ya think.

I was JUST going tp say that!!

SLOW DOWN DUDE!~

He "flapped the jaw" of the beheaded man, while holding it up, to make it look like it was talking! I am LIVID!!~

[sciencegirl]

I was JUST going tp say that!!

SLOW DOWN DUDE!~

He "flapped the jaw" of the beheaded man, while holding it up, to make it look like it was talking! I am LIVID!!~


I barely recall anything; he's talking so darn fast. I'm surprised the court reporter didn't tell him to slow down.

[bambam]

OMG!!! it started already????? i thought this was like at least a day away!!!!!


dang!!! i still have stuff to do today..... gonna go run like this..... :a1chic: so i can hurry back!!!!!!! :0012:

[sciencegirl]

So, are we going to have weird camera angles through this whole trial. We can't even see the prosecutor talk. All we have is a picture of the defendant. Sure don't want to be looking at him the entire time.

Does clickondetroit have a better camera angle????

[kindee]

I was JUST going tp say that!!

SLOW DOWN DUDE!~

He "flapped the jaw" of the beheaded man, while holding it up, to make it look like it was talking! I am LIVID!!~



ick.

And yeah, the pros. is like he's on speed or something. Too rapid fire.

[lovelaw]

He looks like he's gonna cry 'cause he didn't get a new Game Boy for Christmas or something.

Just WAY too young. But I do believe some of the most dangerous people are teenaged boys for many reasons.

These two...are over the top if what they are charged with is true.

That's it. He looks sad. I wonder what it stems from. Remorse?? Or regret because he got caught!??!~ I'm going with the later!~


I agree!~ These days teenagers are saturated with violence in every day life from games, to movies, to the Internet etc.... There is nothing hidden from our children these days!~

[lovelaw]

It's very strange; isn't it.

Very! I wonder.........is the jury only viewing his back?????

[lost indie]

NO! Where did you see that!~??

:s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo:

Justice for Laura...

:hifive::hifive::hifive::hifive::hifive:

[lovelaw]

I barely recall anything; he's talking so darn fast. I'm surprised the court reporter didn't tell him to slow down.

Same here! It's like he's in a race!~

[kindee]

That's it. He looks sad. I wonder what it stems from. Remorse?? Or regret because he got caught!??!~ I'm going with the later!~


I agree!~ These days teenagers are saturated with violence in every day life from games, to movies, to the Internet etc.... There is nothing hidden from our children these days!~




AND unless they are 18 or older they KNOW they are likely to be treated in the juvenile system if at all.

I think he has practiced his "poor sad me" face.

hey I fixed the sound! Sheesh.

But woooo hoooooooo! I think I'll hit the treadmill for a while and try and get out some of my bad karma.

[lovelaw]

So, are we going to have weird camera angles through this whole trial. We can't even see the prosecutor talk. All we have is a picture of the defendant. Sure don't want to be looking at him the entire time.

Does clickondetroit have a better camera angle????

I still have a green screen on clickondetroit. CNN is good though. I'd rather see more than this boy too!~

[sciencegirl]

OT3 Found GUILTY on all four counts.

[kindee]

:s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo:

Justice for Laura...

:hifive::hifive::hifive::hifive::hifive:




YES INDEEDY!!!!!!!!!

All of a sudden I feel a bit better. A just verdict in that case would go a long way with me today.
That was one swift verdict and I think there is a message in that.

[lovelaw]

:s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo:

Justice for Laura...

:hifive::hifive::hifive::hifive::hifive:


WOO HOO!! I take it they found him guilty!!!~:grin:

[carnnell]

:0012: Howdy folks!!!! :0012:

[gramvof14]

AND unless they are 18 or older they KNOW they are likely to be treated in the juvenile system if at all.

I think he has practiced his "poor sad me" face.

hey I fixed the sound! Sheesh.

But woooo hoooooooo! I think I'll hit the treadmill for a while and try and get out some of my bad karma.
WAAAAHOOOO glad you have sound Kindeee:love0085:

[kindee]

OT3 Found GUILTY on all four counts.




Thank God. :1222423:

[kindee]

:0012: Howdy folks!!!! :0012:




hellloooooooo carnnell~!!!!!!! :0012:

[lovelaw]

AND unless they are 18 or older they KNOW they are likely to be treated in the juvenile system if at all.

I think he has practiced his "poor sad me" face.

hey I fixed the sound! Sheesh.

But woooo hoooooooo! I think I'll hit the treadmill for a while and try and get out some of my bad karma.



ITA!~

GOOD, GOOD, GOOD!~:basic44:


I hope you can run it all out!!~ :love0085:

[kindee]

Same here! It's like he's in a race!~



Energy is good, and it sounds like the pros. knows this case forward and backward but the rest of us don't, and I doubt the jury does either.

He needs to s-l-o-w d-o-w-n.

[gramvof14]

OT3 Found GUILTY on all four counts.
WAAAAHOOOO justice for Laura:1222423::1222423:

[carnnell]

I lived in Detroit Metro area, (1967 -85) Northrup to Dearborn Hghts is a long way..

[TigressPen]

:0012: Howdy folks!!!! :0012:



Hi Carnnell!! Been a long time since you have joined us. :)

[lovelaw]

OT3 Found GUILTY on all four counts.

:basic44::zm10::grin::s1gyahoo::hifive:


:basic44::zm10::s1gyahoo::hifive::grin:

:s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo::s1gyahoo:

SWEET JUSTICE!~:1222423:

[lovelaw]

:0012: Howdy folks!!!! :0012:

:0012::grin::0012:

[sciencegirl]

I'm sorry folks; but this is the weirdest set-up in a courtroom that I have ever seen. The defendant isn't even sitting at the defense table. It's like he's off in a corner by himself or something. To strange. Sure wish we could see the prosecutor.

[lovelaw]

Energy is good, and it sounds like the pros. knows this case forward and backward but the rest of us don't, and I doubt the jury does either.

He needs to s-l-o-w d-o-w-n.

It is almost like he can't wait to get started with his CIC. But, yes, ITA! He needs to slow down. The jurors have notebooks, but no time to write!~

[kindee]

ITA!~

GOOD, GOOD, GOOD!~:basic44:


I hope you can run it all out!!~ :love0085:



I'm going to run for a quick 20 minutes. I need to get some of the frustration out.

But I'm watching and listening!!!! :howdy::basic44:

[KellBell]

sorry guys, i didn't know where you all went. I posted that OT3 was found guilty but the thread was empty...

[tbrito1]

I'm sorry folks; but this is the weirdest set-up in a courtroom that I have ever seen. The defendant isn't even sitting at the defense table. It's like he's off in a corner by himself or something. To strange. Sure wish we could see the prosecutor.

ITA!! This kids going to have a crooked neck by the time this trial is over...my neck is hurting by just looking at him....

[sciencegirl]

Energy is good, and it sounds like the pros. knows this case forward and backward but the rest of us don't, and I doubt the jury does either.

He needs to s-l-o-w d-o-w-n.


I barely know what the crime is at this point; he's talking so fast. I think it's also easier to understand someone who talks fast; if you can see them; WHICH BTW, we can't.

[mollybrown]

OT3 Found GUILTY on all four counts.

WOO HOO :zm10::hifive::s1gyahoo:

[lovelaw]

Hi Carnnell!! Been a long time since you have joined us. :)

I always think she's you, because of the avatar!~ This time I was sure to look twice!!

:0012::grin::0012:
to you too!~

[TigressPen]

I'm sorry folks; but this is the weirdest set-up in a courtroom that I have ever seen. The defendant isn't even sitting at the defense table. It's like he's off in a corner by himself or something. To strange. Sure wish we could see the prosecutor.



It is strange. Why isn't he at the end of the defense table. He's across the table from the lawyers with back to Judge and in front of the lawyers' podium.

[carnnell]

Hi Carnnell!! Been a long time since you have joined us. :)

My fellow Tiger.. (roar) :-) so good to virtual see you again. It has been awhile..

:1222423:

[mitch]

The prosecutor is talking way too fast. Don't ya think.


thanks for the link SG.

i looked for a thread for this trial but didn't see one, this site is hard to find people on.

anyway i've missed ya all.

glad OT3 got his justice.

i have to go back and read this thread

BRB

[lovelaw]

I'm sorry folks; but this is the weirdest set-up in a courtroom that I have ever seen. The defendant isn't even sitting at the defense table. It's like he's off in a corner by himself or something. To strange. Sure wish we could see the prosecutor.

TruTV is showing the Prosecutor. Too bad they are off the air in 4 minutes!~

[tbrito1]

thanks for the link SG.

i looked for a thread for this trial but didn't see one, this site is hard to find people on.

anyway i've missed ya all.

glad OT3 got his justice.

i have to go back and read this thread

BRB

Hiya Mitch & Carnell, nice to see ya!!:0012:

[lovelaw]

I'm going to run for a quick 20 minutes. I need to get some of the frustration out.

But I'm watching and listening!!!! :howdy::basic44:

YOU GO GIRL!~ :girl_haha:

[lovelaw]

sorry guys, i didn't know where you all went. I posted that OT3 was found guilty but the thread was empty...

HERE WE ARE!! LOL!~:grin::grin:

THANKS KELL!!~:girl_haha:

[gramvof14]

I'm sorry folks; but this is the weirdest set-up in a courtroom that I have ever seen. The defendant isn't even sitting at the defense table. It's like he's off in a corner by himself or something. To strange. Sure wish we could see the prosecutor.
I can see the Pro.on TruTv but that is about to end. It is a weird set up.:shock:

[KellBell]

I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet or not but I think the defense has deliberatley put this young defendant in a suit that is too big for him to make him look more childlike and innocent. He almost looks like he is playing dress up.

[sciencegirl]

TruTV is showing the Prosecutor. Too bad they are off the air in 4 minutes!~

Well, dang, why can't we see what TTV is seeing. It looks like we are going to spend the entire trial looking at this kid.

[tbrito1]

I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet or not but I think the defense has deliberatley put this young defendant in a suit that is too big for him to make him look more childlike and innocent. He almost looks like he is playing dress up.

I agree and thought the same thing....

[kindee]

thanks for the link SG.

i looked for a thread for this trial but didn't see one, this site is hard to find people on.

anyway i've missed ya all.

glad OT3 got his justice.

i have to go back and read this thread

BRB


Hiya Mitch...good to see you and everyone today! :love0085:

[lovelaw]

It is strange. Why isn't he at the end of the defense table. He's across the table from the lawyers with back to Judge and in front of the lawyers' podium.

Very strange set up. Maybe even the defense doesn't want to sit next to him!!!:022::022::022:

[mollybrown]

I can see the Pro.on TruTv but that is about to end. It is a weird set up.:shock:

Maybe the set up is weird because they had to set up larger tables. :z0tdntknw:

[carnnell]

I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet or not but I think the defense has deliberatley put this young defendant in a suit that is too big for him to make him look more childlike and innocent. He almost looks like he is playing dress up.


That is fair observation.. The face alone makes him look like about 12 year old even if his suite fit..IMO

[sciencegirl]

This motormouth needs to slow the heck down. I'm losing interest already.

[lovelaw]

thanks for the link SG.

i looked for a thread for this trial but didn't see one, this site is hard to find people on.

anyway i've missed ya all.

glad OT3 got his justice.

i have to go back and read this thread

BRB



:0012::0012::0012:

[tbrito1]

Very strange set up. Maybe even the defense doesn't want to sit next to him!!!:022::022::022:

:67302::67302:

who wants to place a bet?

This kid will cry and shed crocadile tears before this is over!!

[lovelaw]

I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet or not but I think the defense has deliberatley put this young defendant in a suit that is too big for him to make him look more childlike and innocent. He almost looks like he is playing dress up.

I agree!!~ It won't work!~ NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!~

[kindee]

I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet or not but I think the defense has deliberatley put this young defendant in a suit that is too big for him to make him look more childlike and innocent. He almost looks like he is playing dress up.



Oh yes, that's a tried and true tactic. You know they are playing that up.

OK, back in twenty.

[lovelaw]

Well, dang, why can't we see what TTV is seeing. It looks like we are going to spend the entire trial looking at this kid.

We might as WELL just have sound!! GRRRRRRRRRRRR

[carnnell]

:67302::67302:

who wants to place a bet?

This kid will cry and shed crocadile tears before this is over!!


lol

That was dumb question the Defense attorney just asked..

[tbrito1]

what is the defense theory? Are they saying that he didn't do it?

[TigressPen]

I always think she's you, because of the avatar!~ This time I was sure to look twice!!

:0012::grin::0012:
to you too!~



:67302: I noticed several members have the Tiger avatar.

[tbrito1]

ok, why does this guy remind me of kardashian?

[lost indie]

We might as WELL just have sound!! GRRRRRRRRRRRR

Did you guys try closing and reopening the cnn site?

That's what I did to get sound...

[lovelaw]

:67302: I noticed several members have the Tiger avatar.

It is a cool avatar!~:hifive:

[lovelaw]

ok, why does this guy remind me of kardashian?

YES!! The shape of his head!~

[TigressPen]

Justified? How can you justify beheading someone!!

[lost indie]

It is a cool avatar!~:hifive:

Yeah...it IS cool...

Lucky for me no one likes the pale dead woman...

:71526:

[lovelaw]

Did you guys try closing and reopening the cnn site?

That's what I did to get sound...

It's all good now...on CNN!!~

[lovelaw]

Justified? How can you justify beheading someone!!

Self defense don't cha know!!~?:faintTHUD:

[tbrito1]

YES!! The shape of his head!~

and his hair...

[lovelaw]

Yeah...it IS cool...

Lucky for me no one likes the pale dead woman...

:71526:

:67302::67302::67302::67302:

I guess no one likes to "stand for the truth" either!! :kidding-01: I know you ALL DO!!~

[lovelaw]

and his hair...

Yep. Just no white streak.

[PatC]

How long ago did this murder happen? Anybody know how big this boy and his friend were at the time and how big the victim was? It's hard to believe that two normal sized teens couldn't pick up a body and get it in the truck.

[carnnell]

Self defense don't cha know!!~?:faintTHUD:


These kids had to make sure their self defense was "thorough" :duh:

[tbrito1]

How long ago did this murder happen? Anybody know how big this boy and his friend were at the time and how big the victim was? It's hard to believe that two normal sized teens couldn't pick up a body and get it in the truck.

November 2007.

http://pysih.com/2007/12/02/alexander-letkemann-and-jean-pierre-orlewicz-appear-in-court/

[KellBell]

what is the defense theory? Are they saying that he didn't do it?

Self defense

[lovelaw]

How long ago did this murder happen? Anybody know how big this boy and his friend were at the time and how big the victim was? It's hard to believe that two normal sized teens couldn't pick up a body and get it in the truck.

IIRC, it was quite recently. In the last year or so.

[KellBell]

Justified? How can you justify beheading someone!!

I am sure he is going to say the other kid did that part.

[tbrito1]

I am sure he is going to say the other kid did that part.

the other kid i think pled guilty and got 20 years

[KellBell]

My internet is really sucky today. My feed on CNN is breaking up BAD! Grrrrr I really want to hear this whole story. Does click on detroit have feed yet?

[Try2Win]

I really try to watch all trials with the theory of "presummed innocent" but this trial is a hard one for me to be that way. I saw all the stories about this on the local news. I remember when the body was found in Northville, not far from where I live. These boys are sick MFers.

[tbrito1]

My internet is really sucky today. My feed on CNN is breaking up BAD! Grrrrr I really want to hear this whole story. Does click on detroit have feed yet?

cnn is working good for me.

here's the link to click on detroit
http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/15812061/index.html

[KellBell]

the other kid i think pled guilty and got 20 years

Yep, if this kid were smart he would have done the same. He would be out before he is 40. Just sayin, it would have been his best bet, now he will probably get life... stupid kids

[sciencegirl]

Oh; here comes the "loving son" "loving friend" :eyebrow1qb:

[lovelaw]

My internet is really sucky today. My feed on CNN is breaking up BAD! Grrrrr I really want to hear this whole story. Does click on detroit have feed yet?

http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/15812061/index.html

[tbrito1]

I really try to watch all trials with the theory of "presummed innocent" but this trial is a hard one for me to be that way. I saw all the stories about this on the local news. I remember when the body was found in Northville, not far from where I live. These boys are sick MFers.

WOW try, I can't wait to hear the evidence......this is definetly going to be a good one..IMO

[Try2Win]

the other kid i think pled guilty and got 20 years

His co-defendant, Alexander Letkemann, 18, of Westland, pleaded guilty to second-degree murder last week.

Letkemann faces 20 to 30 years in prison at his April 23 sentencing in Wayne County Circuit Court. He also pleaded guilty to disinterment and mutilation of a dead body, which carries up to a 10-year sentence.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/15813723/detail.html

[tbrito1]

Oh; here comes the "loving son" "loving friend" :eyebrow1qb:

don't forget about the teachers all loved him and said he was a very good student..:67302:

[lovelaw]

I really try to watch all trials with the theory of "presummed innocent" but this trial is a hard one for me to be that way. I saw all the stories about this on the local news. I remember when the body was found in Northville, not far from where I live. These boys are sick MFers.

I hear ya!~ This is a tough one. It is hard to get past the initial disgust, and settle down to listen.

[lovelaw]

"It's a gruesome thing, decapitating a head."

Ahhhh, ya, THAT makes sense!~

[tbrito1]

:shock:wonder if we'll get to see the grusome pic's?

[lovelaw]

Oh; here comes the "loving son" "loving friend" :eyebrow1qb:

And he was no doubt abused as a child.:rolleye0001:

[tbrito1]

"It's a gruesome thing, decapitating a head."

Ahhhh, ya, THAT makes sense!~

that is horrible....:puke: how do you get enough B_LLS to cut off a head?

[lost indie]

I really try to watch all trials with the theory of "presummed innocent" but this trial is a hard one for me to be that way. I saw all the stories about this on the local news. I remember when the body was found in Northville, not far from where I live. These boys are sick MFers.

I'm in MI too. There was a case a few years ago in Sparta where a teen killed another teen and beheaded him. He kept the head for several days in a sack in his room. He was making videos of himself with the head. Finally...he showed some peeps the head and they ratted him out.

I had a friend who knew the perp's family. Said they were good decent people...

[tbrito1]

Mom is testifying.

[KellBell]

Hmmm do you think I should go up to sit in on this one for a day and see what it is like? I don't want to see any beheaded pics though. I am not bothered by anything I see on TV but I wonder how I would do seeing actual pics on an overhead... yikes

[lovelaw]

that is horrible....:puke: how do you get enough B_LLS to cut off a head?

It's hard to imagine...let alone DO!~


Those were the fastes O.S. in trial history!~ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZoooom!

[tbrito1]

Hmmm do you think I should go up to sit in on this one for a day and see what it is like? I don't want to see any beheaded pics though. I am not bothered by anything I see on TV but I wonder how I would do seeing actual pics on an overhead... yikes

I would if i lived close enough...:a1chic:

[lovelaw]

I'm in MI too. There was a case a few years ago in Sparta where a teen killed another teen and beheaded him. He kept the head for several days in a sack in his room. He was making videos of himself with the head. Finally...he showed some peeps the head and they ratted him out.

I had a friend who knew the perp's family. Said they were good decent people...


:shock::francis::shock:

[mollybrown]

I switched to "clickondetroit" my that's a little bitty picture LOL

[KellBell]

that is horrible....:puke: how do you get enough B_LLS to cut off a head?

Ask Stephen Grant....

[tbrito1]

Ask Stephen Grant....

I can't he hasn't called me lately...:67302:

[mollybrown]

Was this family estranged?

[lovelaw]

Hmmm do you think I should go up to sit in on this one for a day and see what it is like? I don't want to see any beheaded pics though. I am not bothered by anything I see on TV but I wonder how I would do seeing actual pics on an overhead... yikes

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't want to see them either. NO WAY! I wonder if they have been ruled inadmissible???????? I think the jury should be allowed to see the heinous (under statement) nature of this crime.

[Try2Win]

River Rouge is a bad area. This victim could of been easily killed in his own neighborhood. He was a drug dealer as are many people who live in that area. But no one deserves to die, unless they take someone elses life. JMO

[mollybrown]

I switched to "clickondetroit" my that's a little bitty picture LOL

QUOTEING myself ROFLMAO I used the arrow and made the picture bigger, duh LOL

[Kara]

Hi gang...this first witness is the mother of who?

[tbrito1]

River Rouge is a bad area. This victim could of been easily killed in his own neighborhood. He was a drug dealer as are many people who live in that area. But no one deserves to die, unless they take someone elses life. JMO

thanks for the info try!

[mitch]

My internet is really sucky today. My feed on CNN is breaking up BAD! Grrrrr I really want to hear this whole story. Does click on detroit have feed yet?

http://www.clickondetroit.com/sh/flex2VideoPlayer/wmvPlayer.html?wmvPath=http://mfile.akamai.com/12942/live/reflector:38614.asx

[tbrito1]

QUOTEING myself ROFLMAO I used the arrow and made the picture bigger, duh LOL

:71541:to Molly......LOL

[TigressPen]

I'm wondering where the jury is seated. Odd odd setup in that court. Defense is saying this kid was intimidated by the older 'bully' I guess. Still guilty since he participated in the murder, decapitation, and attempted coverup.

[tbrito1]

Hi gang...this first witness is the mother of who?

she is the mother of the guy that was killed. Dan sorenson

[Try2Win]

Hmmm do you think I should go up to sit in on this one for a day and see what it is like? I don't want to see any beheaded pics though. I am not bothered by anything I see on TV but I wonder how I would do seeing actual pics on an overhead... yikes

I would go see this trial myself but then I have to pay for parking and pass all the homeless people begging from me on Jefferson Ave. :a1chic:

[KellBell]

I can't he hasn't called me lately...:67302:

He might need another pen pal....lol

[tbrito1]

I would go see this trial myself but then I have to pay for parking and pass all the homeless people begging from me on Jefferson Ave. :a1chic:

:022::022:

[mollybrown]

Hi gang...this first witness is the mother of who?


This is the victums mother. With the gag order on this trial. I'm not even sure WHO the victum is. :z0tdntknw:

[KellBell]

I would go see this trial myself but then I have to pay for parking and pass all the homeless people begging from me on Jefferson Ave. :a1chic:

Yikes, I didn't think of that....

[sciencegirl]

And he was no doubt abused as a child.:rolleye0001:

Aren't they all abused??? LOL

[tbrito1]

He might need another pen pal....lol

that reminds me, O/T can't recall who was following the bobby cutts trial but I got a copy of letters that he sent to someone that posted on one of our threads...pretty interesting..

[KellBell]

Whew, my stream is finally working well, knock on wood

[tbrito1]

Yikes, I didn't think of that....

Kell & Try, Carpool? going home for the day, will log on as soon as I get home..:0012:

[Kara]

she is the mother of the guy that was killed. Dan sorenson
Thank you. For some reason I thought Dan was considerably older than these boys but he must not have been terribly old if this is his mother.

[lovelaw]

Hi gang...this first witness is the mother of who?

:0012::0012:

Witness is the victim's mother.:(

[sciencegirl]

This is the victums mother. With the gag order on this trial. I'm not even sure WHO the victum is. :z0tdntknw:

I don't have a clue either. The motor-mouth prosecutor went so dang fast; I haven't a clue as to what this is about except that someone's head got chopped off.

[KellBell]

that reminds me, O/T can't recall who was following the bobby cutts trial but I got a copy of letters that he sent to someone that posted on one of our threads...pretty interesting..

Yeah I read them on the internet, that's why I said it. I figured you knew about his writings...hehehe

[carnnell]

I would go see this trial myself but then I have to pay for parking and pass all the homeless people begging from me on Jefferson Ave. :a1chic:

Jefferson Ave has that many homeless now? :( *sniff sniff*..

I remember River Rouge with factories and/or warehouses.. (picking the brain)..

I use to live in Dearborn (Ford Rd & Outer Drive) and Rosedale Park in the early 80's. I loved Rosedale Park..

[andersson33]

River Rouge is a bad area. This victim could of been easily killed in his own neighborhood. He was a drug dealer as are many people who live in that area. But no one deserves to die, unless they take someone elses life. JMO

River Rouge.
:a1chic:
Red River.

Bloody River....:a1chic:?

Why's it called River Rouge, Try2?
Do you know?
Curiously,
:basic45:

[lovelaw]

Aren't they all abused??? LOL

If they are on trial, YES!! LOL!~

[sciencegirl]

:0012::0012:

Witness is the victim's mother.:(

Who is the victim? Hold old? Do you know?

[lost indie]

Thank you. For some reason I thought Dan was considerably older than these boys but he must not have been terribly old if this is his mother.

Dan was 26....

[sciencegirl]

Good lord - at least let the kid sit on the end of the table. This looks so ridiculous. He has to turn around and look at the witnesses.

[KellBell]

anyone want to clue me in on what the victim's "lifestyle" was or what he was getting at when he asked about his lifestyle?

[lovelaw]

Thank you. For some reason I thought Dan was considerably older than these boys but he must not have been terribly old if this is his mother.

He LOOKS older, for sure. Anyone know the victim's, DS, age??????

[Try2Win]

Yikes, I didn't think of that....

I was down at that courthouse last week and then another time late last year. This last time I went, I brought ritz crackers to hand out to the homeless. They like money better but tough for them, I give them food.

It cost me $8 to park and I was only in the court for less than 2 hours.

[lovelaw]

Who is the victim? Hold old? Do you know?

Daniel Sorenson is the victim. I just asked if anyone knew his age, too. This is FLYING by!~

[KellBell]

Dr. Lavin? why does that sound familiar?

[lovelaw]

Dan was 26....

THNAK YOU!!

Was he an alleged drug dealer???????

[carnnell]

Daniel Sorenson is the victim. I just asked if anyone knew his age, too. This is FLYING by!~

Daniel Sorenson was 26

The Defendent on trial was 17

The Co-defendent was 18

[sciencegirl]

Dr. Lavin? why does that sound familiar?

Wasn't there a Dr. Lavin that was supposed to be called in the Jensen trial and there was a big controversy over her??

[andersson33]

Daniel Sorenson is the victim. I just asked if anyone knew his age, too. This is FLYING by!~

Indie said he was 26.

[sciencegirl]

Daniel Sorenson was 26

The Defendent on trial was 17

The Co-defendent was 18


Thanks carnnell

[Try2Win]

THNAK YOU!!

Was he an alleged drug dealer???????


yes

[KellBell]

I was down at that courthouse last week and then another time late last year. This last time I went, I brought ritz crackers to hand out to the homeless. They like money better but tough for them, I give them food.

It cost me $8 to park and I was only in the court for less than 2 hours.

Yikes, I forget what Detroit is like until I have to go up there. Most of my family live in the burbs like Sterling Heights etc.

[lovelaw]

Daniel Sorenson was 26

The Defendent on trial was 17

The Co-defendent was 18

Thank you!~

[lovelaw]

Wasn't there a Dr. Lavin that was supposed to be called in the Jensen trial and there was a big controversy over her??

The name is very familiar!

[kindee]

Hmmm do you think I should go up to sit in on this one for a day and see what it is like? I don't want to see any beheaded pics though. I am not bothered by anything I see on TV but I wonder how I would do seeing actual pics on an overhead... yikes



yes GO! It looks like there is plenty of room in the gallery.

[lovelaw]

Indie said he was 26.

Thank you!~


:0012::0012:

[kindee]

Wasn't there a Dr. Lavin that was supposed to be called in the Jensen trial and there was a big controversy over her??



I thought that name was familiar as well! :shock:

[Cornblossom]

He LOOKS older, for sure. Anyone know the victim's, DS, age??????
According to the Wayne County prosecutor, Kim Worthy, Jean Pierre Orlewicz 17 and Alexander James Letkemann 18 were charged with murder and mutilation of a dead body.

Neither money nor drugs was thought to be the motive behind this grisly murder. It is thought that the killing is what is known as a "thrill killing".

Daniel Sorensen(26) was lured to Orlewicz's grandfather's house on November 7th. Allegedly Orlewicz attacked him from behind slitting his throat. Daniel Sorensen also had several stab wounds to the back.

Sorensen's head was then sawed off and put into a Rubbermaid container. Later to be tossed into a river.

The body of Daniel Sorensen was then taken to a wooded area and a blowtorch was used to burn his hands and feet. Presumably this was done to hide the identity of the body.

Prosecutor Kym Worthy said the murder of Daniel Sorensen was well planned, well thought out and methodical. The garage floor had been covered where the murder took place. There were also cleaning materials on hand.

There may be 3 other persons of interest in the murder of Daniel Sorensen, but it is not clear if any more arrests will be made at this time.

Daniel Sorensen was a registered sex offender in both Illinois and Michigan. When his murder was first discovered, it was thought that this might be a motive for his murder. It now appears that his death was not linked to being a sex offender, but rather "thrill killing".

[andersson33]

Is that fellow in front of the witness--does he have an oxygen mask in his hands?

[KellBell]

Wasn't there a Dr. Lavin that was supposed to be called in the Jensen trial and there was a big controversy over her??

Yeah that's what I thought, let me check out my notes...oh poo, I deleted those files from the Jensen trial but yeah I thought Lavin in Jensen case was a toxicologist or something. Related maybe.

[lovelaw]

yes

Thank you. The defense will no doubt exploit that, if they can.

[lovelaw]

I thought that name was familiar as well! :shock:

Was it Lanvin?? It IS SO familiar!~

[andersson33]

According to the Wayne County prosecutor, Kim Worthy, Jean Pierre Orlewicz 17 and Alexander James Letkemann 18 were charged with murder and mutilation of a dead body.

Neither money nor drugs was thought to be the motive behind this grisly murder. It is thought that the killing is what is known as a "thrill killing".

Daniel Sorensen(26) was lured to Orlewicz's grandfather's house on November 7th. Allegedly Orlewicz attacked him from behind slitting his throat. Daniel Sorensen also had several stab wounds to the back.

Sorensen's head was then sawed off and put into a Rubbermaid container. Later to be tossed into a river.

The body of Daniel Sorensen was then taken to a wooded area and a blowtorch was used to burn his hands and feet. Presumably this was done to hide the identity of the body.

Prosecutor Kym Worthy said the murder of Daniel Sorensen was well planned, well thought out and methodical. The garage floor had been covered where the murder took place. There were also cleaning materials on hand.

There may be 3 other persons of interest in the murder of Daniel Sorensen, but it is not clear if any more arrests will be made at this time.

Daniel Sorensen was a registered sex offender in both Illinois and Michigan. When his murder was first discovered, it was thought that this might be a motive for his murder. It now appears that his death was not linked to being a sex offender, but rather "thrill killing".

:shock::shock::shock::faintTHUD:

[kindee]

Thank you. For some reason I thought Dan was considerably older than these boys but he must not have been terribly old if this is his mother.




Well hellloooooo Blonde! :happy0207:

[KellBell]

yes GO! It looks like there is plenty of room in the gallery.

It sure does,

I wish this kid would at least turn around, he is gonna have a sore neck if he keeps this up...

[Try2Win]

Is that fellow in front of the witness--does he have an oxygen mask in his hands?

I have seen that in other courtrooms and always wondered what that was all about. :z0tdntknw:

[lovelaw]

According to the Wayne County prosecutor, Kim Worthy, Jean Pierre Orlewicz 17 and Alexander James Letkemann 18 were charged with murder and mutilation of a dead body.

Neither money nor drugs was thought to be the motive behind this grisly murder. It is thought that the killing is what is known as a "thrill killing".

Daniel Sorensen(26) was lured to Orlewicz's grandfather's house on November 7th. Allegedly Orlewicz attacked him from behind slitting his throat. Daniel Sorensen also had several stab wounds to the back.

Sorensen's head was then sawed off and put into a Rubbermaid container. Later to be tossed into a river.

The body of Daniel Sorensen was then taken to a wooded area and a blowtorch was used to burn his hands and feet. Presumably this was done to hide the identity of the body.

Prosecutor Kym Worthy said the murder of Daniel Sorensen was well planned, well thought out and methodical. The garage floor had been covered where the murder took place. There were also cleaning materials on hand.

There may be 3 other persons of interest in the murder of Daniel Sorensen, but it is not clear if any more arrests will be made at this time.

Daniel Sorensen was a registered sex offender in both Illinois and Michigan. When his murder was first discovered, it was thought that this might be a motive for his murder. It now appears that his death was not linked to being a sex offender, but rather "thrill killing".



THANK YOU my corny!!~:girl_haha:

[lovelaw]

brb!!~:0012:

[kindee]

brb!!~:0012:




hurry it up missy! :girl_haha:

[mitch]

oh i like this judge,

she seems like one tough cookie.

[andersson33]

brb

Does that mean lovelaw has to burp? That's all I can come up with.

[Try2Win]

I think this attorney is one of the lawyers who was selected by Kym Worthy to be on the team going after the mayor of Detroit for his perjury charges.

[Kara]

Well hellloooooo Blonde! :happy0207:

Hey there girlfriend! Finally a live trial!!:0012:

[sciencegirl]

I have seen that in other courtrooms and always wondered what that was all about. :z0tdntknw:

He's the court reporter.

[kindee]

Hey there girlfriend! Finally a live trial!!:0012:




ain't it GRAND?!?!?! :basic44:

[gramvof14]

Daniel Sorenson is the victim. I just asked if anyone knew his age, too. This is FLYING by!~
I think he was 26

[mollybrown]

Wow 10 Stab wounds

[kindee]

brb

Does that mean lovelaw has to burp? That's all I can come up with.




She'll Be Right Back after she B.U.R.P.s :party52:

'scuse her. :girl_haha:

[kindee]

Wow 10 Stab wounds




13 stab wounds just to the torso, the throat slit, the head cut off, the arms and feet burned off....

Sure sounds like self defense to me! NOT! :rolleye0001:

[sciencegirl]

13 stab wounds just to the torso, the throat slit, the head cut off, the arms and feet burned off....

Sure sounds like self defense to me! NOT! :rolleye0001:

Yup; looks like we have a GUILTY here already. What the hell is wrong with kids today???

[lost indie]

13 stab wounds just to the torso, the throat slit, the head cut off, the arms and feet burned off....

Sure sounds like self defense to me! NOT! :rolleye0001:

As plausible as finding a dead girl during a robbery, ACCIDENTLY EJACULATING and stealing her secret santa present.....

but murder?

:shock::shock::shock:

[gramvof14]

According to the Wayne County prosecutor, Kim Worthy, Jean Pierre Orlewicz 17 and Alexander James Letkemann 18 were charged with murder and mutilation of a dead body.

Neither money nor drugs was thought to be the motive behind this grisly murder. It is thought that the killing is what is known as a "thrill killing".

Daniel Sorensen(26) was lured to Orlewicz's grandfather's house on November 7th. Allegedly Orlewicz attacked him from behind slitting his throat. Daniel Sorensen also had several stab wounds to the back.

Sorensen's head was then sawed off and put into a Rubbermaid container. Later to be tossed into a river.

The body of Daniel Sorensen was then taken to a wooded area and a blowtorch was used to burn his hands and feet. Presumably this was done to hide the identity of the body.

Prosecutor Kym Worthy said the murder of Daniel Sorensen was well planned, well thought out and methodical. The garage floor had been covered where the murder took place. There were also cleaning materials on hand.

There may be 3 other persons of interest in the murder of Daniel Sorensen, but it is not clear if any more arrests will be made at this time.

Daniel Sorensen was a registered sex offender in both Illinois and Michigan. When his murder was first discovered, it was thought that this might be a motive for his murder. It now appears that his death was not linked to being a sex offender, but rather "thrill killing".
Thanks Corny I have to leave pretty soon to pick up my youngest grand daughter at school bring her home and feed the rest of the kidos dinner my DD went into Boston with my DIL so she wouldn't be alone, my job is the kids.:love0085:

[mollybrown]

I'm having a heck of a time staying on line today. I'm sure glad I'm NOT getting to see the pictures that they are showing ((((((Dan's Family ))))))))

[mollybrown]

As plausible as finding a dead girl during a robbery, ACCIDENTLY EJACULATING and stealing her secret santa present.....

but murder?

:shock::shock::shock:

EGGACTLY LOL

[andersson33]

Yup; looks like we have a GUILTY here already. What the hell is wrong with kids today???

I guess they were just bored, you know, not much to do, one of them said ''hey, let's kill someone for the thrill of it."

:(:(:(

[TigressPen]

His parents are breaking my heart. :1222423:

[mitch]

i wish they would show the autopsy photos.

[andersson33]

Thanks Corny I have to leave pretty soon to pick up my youngest grand daughter at school bring her home and feed the rest of the kidos dinner my DD went into Boston with my DIL so she wouldn't be alone, my job is the kids.:love0085:

You are such a dear person, gramv.
Those kids are real lucky.
:love0085:

[mollybrown]

His parents are breaking my heart. :1222423:

Once a parent always a parent. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[Cornblossom]

Thanks Corny I have to leave pretty soon to pick up my youngest grand daughter at school bring her home and feed the rest of the kidos dinner my DD went into Boston with my DIL so she wouldn't be alone, my job is the kids.:love0085::love0085:

[kindee]

As plausible as finding a dead girl during a robbery, ACCIDENTLY EJACULATING and stealing her secret santa present.....

but murder?

:shock::shock::shock:




Oh yes, just as believable.

As in not at all.

I wonder if the little boy is going to take the stand and cwy? :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[kindee]

Thanks Corny I have to leave pretty soon to pick up my youngest grand daughter at school bring her home and feed the rest of the kidos dinner my DD went into Boston with my DIL so she wouldn't be alone, my job is the kids.:love0085:




(((hugs))) for your whole clan, Gram. :1222423:

[TigressPen]

Once a parent always a parent. :1187603408.CR.Mothe


Yep. I wouldn't be able to look at the pictures of my child's mutilated body either, hard enough just listening to the gory details of a death such as this one.

[gramvof14]

You are such a dear person, gramv.
Those kids are real lucky.
:love0085:
Thanks Anderson, as I am to be so blessed to have them.:love0085:

[bambam]

i'm baaaaaaaaaaccckkk........ have i missed a lot of terribly important testimony???? not to mention the opening statements aarrgghh

[kindee]

Thanks Anderson, as I am to be so blessed to have them.:love0085:



When's the great grandbaby due? I've got a new great niece-or-nephew due in September!

[kindee]

i'm baaaaaaaaaaccckkk........ have i missed a lot of terribly important testimony???? not to mention the opening statements aarrgghh




Not too much bam...this is I think the 3rd witness----:happy0207:

[bambam]

who's the man and woman they keep showing? sorry, i just got here....

[gramvof14]

(((hugs))) for your whole clan, Gram. :1222423:
Thanks kindee see you all later.:happy0207:

[Cat]

When's the great grandbaby due? I've got a new great niece-or-nephew due in September!

Ha ha, I'll raise you Gram and Kindee. I have 3 great nieces/nephews coming this year (one set of twins). :zm10:

[mollybrown]

How many witnesses is the Pros calling?

[bambam]

Not too much bam...this is I think the 3rd witness----:happy0207:

wow this witness as well as the pros seemed to be in high gear....wheeeeeeeeee have they been flying this whole time??

[Cat]

who's the man and woman they keep showing? sorry, i just got here....

Hi bam, me too. :love0085:

[Try2Win]

He's the court reporter.


so he talks into that thing? why not just record the witnesses?

[kindee]

Ha ha, I'll raise you Gram and Kindee. I have 3 great nieces/nephews coming this year (one set of twins). :zm10:



:shock::shock:

Your Christmas list is going to be loooooooooooooooooooooong.


Big time congrats!!!! :hifive:

[KellBell]

who's the man and woman they keep showing? sorry, i just got here....

Dr. Lavin the ME

Or do you mean in the gallery? if so that is Dan (the victims mother. she took the stand before this witness.

[bambam]

Thanks kindee see you all later.:happy0207:

ya leavin?? :love0085: {{{{{lotsa hugs!!}}}}}

[carnnell]

I don't know how this Defense attorney is going to show CIC self defense with the victim having defensive wounds, stab wounds in the victim's back and deep severe kneck wound.

As alway just my opinion

:1222423: Daniel and his family :1222423:

[kindee]

wow this witness as well as the pros seemed to be in high gear....wheeeeeeeeee have they been flying this whole time??




yep...and the pros. is a real speed demon.

I bet this trial moves fast. zoom zoom zoom.

[kindee]

Thanks kindee see you all later.:happy0207:




Best of luck to you and your son, Gram. :happy0207:

[bambam]

Dr. Lavin the ME

Or do you mean in the gallery? if so that is Dan (the victims mother. she took the stand before this witness.

:confused: huh?? that's the ME on the stand, right?? i was asking who the man and the woman sitting together that they keep showing was.....:z0tdntknw:

[StoneFox]

Found ya~~~New trial~~~WAHOO!!

[bambam]

:confused: huh?? that's the ME on the stand, right?? i was asking who the man and the woman sitting together that they keep showing was.....:z0tdntknw:

ok i gotcha! wow she testified?? and i missed it! :girl_sad: was it sad???

[KellBell]

:confused: huh?? that's the ME on the stand, right?? i was asking who the man and the woman sitting together that they keep showing was.....:z0tdntknw:

Yeah sorry, I reread your question and edited my answer...

[kindee]

Found ya~~~New trial~~~WAHOO!!





yayayayayay!

We're too happy for our own good! :francis:


bam that's the murdered man's parents we think...at least that's his mom. She was the first witness.

[Cat]

:shock::shock:

Your Christmas list is going to be loooooooooooooooooooooong.


Big time congrats!!!! :hifive:

Thank you, kindee. Huge family, we almost always have babies. It's hard on my daughter, because she can't have any. They are planning to adopt.

[kindee]

ok i gotcha! wow she testified?? and i missed it! :girl_sad: was it sad???




she held together very well. She really didn't have much information, though, imo.

[bambam]

Hi bam, me too. :love0085:

hi cat!! i'm trying to catch up here! i hate when i have to start out BEHIND already!! :girl_sad:

[andersson33]

Thanks kindee see you all later.:happy0207:

:0012:

See you later, gramv!!


:happy0207:

[kindee]

Thank you, kindee. Huge family, we almost always have babies.



Of course we'll have to see photos of the twins y'know. :love0085::love0085:

[Cat]

hi cat!! i'm trying to catch up here! i hate when i have to start out BEHIND already!! :girl_sad:

I read you, bam. We're always a day late and a dollar short. :girl_haha:

[KellBell]

You didn't miss much.

[Cat]

Of course we'll have to see photos of the twins y'know. :love0085::love0085:

I'm sure I'll have one for you.

[andersson33]

Ha ha, I'll raise you Gram and Kindee. I have 3 great nieces/nephews coming this year (one set of twins). :zm10:

:basic44::basic44::basic44:

Hi Cat! How are you feeling today?

:basic45:

[bambam]

she held together very well. She really didn't have much information, though, imo.

aww :girl_sad: it's always sad to see the mother of a victim.

did the victim know the perps?? :z0tdntknw:

[gramvof14]

When's the great grandbaby due? I've got a new great niece-or-nephew due in September!
I don't know the date yet have to ask my grandson I forgot to ask. ok I am out of here bbl:love0085:

[StoneFox]

yayayayayay!

We're too happy for our own good! :francis:


bam that's the murdered man's parents we think...at least that's his mom. She was the first witness.

I hope I get to watch most of this one. I'm ready to be too happy for my own good. :grin: