MI vs Jean Pierre Orlewicz/ Teen Thrill Kill Murder Trial - 4/9/08

[PatC]

Since yesterday's thread is almost 70 pages long, I tho't I'd start a new one for today.

I have to be in and out today, but I'll try to keep up. :z0tdntknw:

[Try2Win]

i got pm'd from an admistrator here not to do so until there are 800 posts.

but i do think there should be a daily thread to this trial, regardless of how many posts per thread. jmo

[mollybrown]

Thanks Pat :)

[Roamer]

You got Pmd by a moderator, T2W.

I said Adm has asked that we let a thread run to 800 before posting another one.

Since you're over 700 now, and two of you have started a new one, we'll let this one stand and close the other.

Have a great day, everyone. :0012:

[lovelaw]

Made it!~

THANKS for the new thread!~

[PatC]

You got Pmd by a moderator, T2W.

I said Adm has asked that we let a thread run to 800 before posting another one.

Since you're over 700 now, and two of you have started a new one, we'll let this one stand and close the other.

Have a great day, everyone. :0012:

Thanks, Roamer.... we'll know better next time.

:0009:

[IfIMay]

why in the world would you do that (lift body into truck)? "I don't know". Truly frightening.

[TigressPen]

This is just so unbelieveable and heartbreaking. Isam said he didn't really believe JP had killed Daniel Sorenson - guess he went to see. God only knows.

But, why didn't he become all concerned about knowing before the murder and contact someone. Tell his parents. Something!! Instead he went there and helped load the body and took off his clothes and gave them to JP. I wonder what he'd have told cop if he'd been pulled over wearing only undershorts and Tee...

[lovelaw]

Molly,

Yes. I agree. The face of evil is not limited. Looks truly can be, and obviously are, deceiving. It's scary to consider, isn't it??

[IfIMay]

I guess no one was home when he got there naked to ask why. This is just crazy.

[StoneFox]

:confused: um~I think I got left behind. Was there a warning?

[mollybrown]

Boxers and a sweater. Maybe he was starting a new trend.

[dojewo]

I think at this point he was afraid of JP and just handed the clothes over.

[lovelaw]

why in the world would you do that (lift body into truck)? "I don't know". Truly frightening.

I imagine he was caught up in the moment. Was it peer pressure, or is he as evil as the others??? Hmmmmmmmm

[TigressPen]

Molly,

Yes. I agree. The face of evil is not limited. Looks truly can be, and obviously are, deceiving. It's scary to consider, isn't it??



Very!!! Look at that innocent look of JP's. I stated on other thread that I read he had a brother. Yesterday, I saw a young man sitting in court and he, too, had dark hair. Couldn't really tell if he had big eyes like JP. I wonder if he is the brother.

[mollybrown]

:confused: um~I think I got left behind. Was there a warning?


Hi Foxy :0012:

I tried to say that on the last thread but I must have brought the wrong keys because the door was locked. :grin:

[StoneFox]

I wish he had said I went to my room and puked. Good Lord! He drove his sister to her class. Something is very wrong with this guy. He has absolutely NO emotion in his voice. Everything is very matter-of-fact.

[dojewo]

I imagine he was caught up in the moment. Was it peer pressure, or is he as evil as the others??? Hmmmmmmmm
I kind of think at that point in the garage he just did as asked and wanted to get the heck out of there.

[lovelaw]

This is just so unbelieveable and heartbreaking. Isam said he didn't really believe JP had killed Daniel Sorenson - guess he went to see. God only knows.

But, why didn't he become all concerned about knowing before the murder and contact someone. Tell his parents. Something!! Instead he went there and helped load the body and took off his clothes and gave them to JP. I wonder what he'd have told cop if he'd been pulled over wearing only undershorts and Tee...



This boggles my mind too, Tigress. It is all so inconceivable, and flat out stupid!~

Ayyash really confounds me.

[mitch]

I think at this point he was afraid of JP and just handed the clothes over.

well i sure would be afraid of that twisted sick SOB if i went to that garage.

[StoneFox]

Hi Foxy :0012:

I tried to say that on the last thread but I must have brought the wrong keys because the door was locked. :grin:

Yes, and I was making a very smart and intelligent post on the other thread :67302: :kidding-01: and without warning, it was closed.

:grin:

[gramvof14]

I poster on the other thread but it said it was closed. Anyway Goodmorning all:mornincoffee:I have to get somethings done and then I can sit and watch this trial. These boys are very sick they show no emotion at all, they talk about killing someone like they were just having a chat over coffee. Sick, sick:71541::duh::doh::shock:

[TigressPen]

I imagine he was caught up in the moment. Was it peer pressure, or is he as evil as the others??? Hmmmmmmmm



Morbid curiosity, peer pressure, and fear too probably. But, I am angry and sickened over his silence.

[lovelaw]

I think at this point he was afraid of JP and just handed the clothes over.

I am feeling that way too at the moment. I wonder though, if I am being influenced by his looks and demeanor??? It seems that he may have been shell shocked though. I just feel it form this kid. Maybe he's bamboozled me.

[mollybrown]

Yes, and I was making a very smart and intelligent post on the other thread :67302: :kidding-01: and without warning, it was closed.

:grin:

Well you're here now so post away. :hifive:

[dojewo]

well i sure would be afraid of that twisted sick SOB if i went to that garage.Jp just got done stabbing and beheading a man and there was also a gun on the shelf, I would be fearing for my life if I was Izzy.

[lovelaw]

Very!!! Look at that innocent look of JP's. I stated on other thread that I read he had a brother. Yesterday, I saw a young man sitting in court and he, too, had dark hair. Couldn't really tell if he had big eyes like JP. I wonder if he is the brother.



I can't get over it! It is shocking...even though it shouldn't be any more.

Hmmm....I wonder. Younger, or older?? Must be tough on him.:(

[lovelaw]

I kind of think at that point in the garage he just did as asked and wanted to get the heck out of there.

Honestly, that is my feeling too. I wish I knew more about his background.

[TigressPen]

I am feeling that way too at the moment. I wonder though, if I am being influenced by his looks and demeanor??? It seems that he may have been shell shocked though. I just feel it form this kid. Maybe he's bamboozled me.


He at least shows a mild form of remorse. Yeah, he probably is still shell shocked over the consequences. He should thank his lucky stars that he was given immunity. But, I do have more feelings of sorrow for this kid than I did Alex Mullins. Mullins was just nonchalant.

[lovelaw]

Yes, and I was making a very smart and intelligent post on the other thread :67302: :kidding-01: and without warning, it was closed.

:grin:



ME TOO!!~ :girl_haha:

[lovelaw]

I poster on the other thread but it said it was closed. Anyway Goodmorning all:mornincoffee:I have to get somethings done and then I can sit and watch this trial. These boys are very sick they show no emotion at all, they talk about killing someone like they were just having a chat over coffee. Sick, sick:71541::duh::doh::shock:



:0012:


This is a tough one to comprehend Gram. I hate it!~:(

[gramvof14]

ME TOO!!~ :girl_haha:
HAHA me 3:girl_haha:

[lovelaw]

Morbid curiosity, peer pressure, and fear too probably. But, I am angry and sickened over his silence.

I agree.....all 3 most likely played a part.

I understand your anger.

I would like to know a lot more about DS.

[dojewo]

I am feeling that way too at the moment. I wonder though, if I am being influenced by his looks and demeanor??? It seems that he may have been shell shocked though. I just feel it form this kid. Maybe he's bamboozled me.I mentioned on the other thread that it has to be hard for him to testify when JP is staring him down, truthfully I think he is doing a good job at it.

[StoneFox]

He at least shows a mild form of remorse. Yeah, he probably is still shell shocked over the consequences. He should thank his lucky stars that he was given immunity. But, I do have more feelings of sorrow for this kid than I did Alex Mullins. Mullins was just nonchalant.

WOW~you guys are seeing and hearing something that I am not with this guy. I do not see or hear remorse. I hear a person speaking in a monotone voice with no emotions. It scares the holy creepola outta me that there are children out there in the world that have NO regard for human life. It's just another game they are playing, except this time it was real time.

:girl_sad:

[StoneFox]

ME TOO!!~ :girl_haha:

:grin: :happy0158:

[TigressPen]

OMG, this is so sick!! I hope JP gets life without parole.


In one statement secretly videorecorded in Canton Township, Letkemann told officers he was shocked when Orlewicz jumped Sorenson from behind and slit his throat.

"Dan asked something like, 'Why?' He was like whispering something," Letkemann said in a recording played Friday in court. "JP said, 'I know man. Just let it take over. Let it take over.' "

taken from: http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080216/METRO/802160356

[lovelaw]

He at least shows a mild form of remorse. Yeah, he probably is still shell shocked over the consequences. He should thank his lucky stars that he was given immunity. But, I do have more feelings of sorrow for this kid than I did Alex Mullins. Mullins was just nonchalant.


I agree on all points!~

[Xmygrits]

WOW~you guys are seeing and hearing something that I am not with this guy. I do not see or hear remorse. I hear a person speaking in a monotone voice with no emotions. It scares the holy creepola outta me that there are children out there in the world that have NO regard for human life. It's just another game they are playing, except this time it was real time.

:girl_sad:



ITA with you! Total flat afflect. A child is raised up in the way that he should go, so I also cast blame on these kids parents.


Mornin ya'll!

*xmy ducks n runs*

[TigressPen]

WOW~you guys are seeing and hearing something that I am not with this guy. I do not see or hear remorse. I hear a person speaking in a monotone voice with no emotions. It scares the holy creepola outta me that there are children out there in the world that have NO regard for human life. It's just another game they are playing, except this time it was real time.

:girl_sad:



Oh no,:lex_10: I am not saying this guy doesn't deserve to be in jail along side JP and AL. Not that!! :shock: I do sense some remorse in him though. Perhaps it's fear of the immunity being taken away. I really don't know. But he isn't as emotionless as Mullins was.

[kindee]

Made it!~

THANKS for the new thread!~




Once again you beat me by a hair!

:mornincoffee: all!

[lovelaw]

I mentioned on the other thread that it has to be hard for him to testify when JP is staring him down, truthfully I think he is doing a good job at it.

It must be very tough.

I do too. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I feel like he is sort of a victim in this himself. Granted, he did those things willingly. I just don't believe he thought about what he was doing....really.

[Try2Win]

good luck defense, so he wasn't there when Dan was murdered. JP told him everything. imo

[kindee]

I guess no one was home when he got there naked to ask why. This is just crazy.





uhhhhh I missed that part. WHAT? What about him being naked?

Shades of Lizzie Borden!~

[lovelaw]

WOW~you guys are seeing and hearing something that I am not with this guy. I do not see or hear remorse. I hear a person speaking in a monotone voice with no emotions. It scares the holy creepola outta me that there are children out there in the world that have NO regard for human life. It's just another game they are playing, except this time it was real time.



:girl_sad:


I respect that! I am even TRYING to think the worst of this kid, and I just can't. He seems like an unwitting participant. He just did the things they asked him to do, maybe because he though he'd better.

[dojewo]

WOW~you guys are seeing and hearing something that I am not with this guy. I do not see or hear remorse. I hear a person speaking in a monotone voice with no emotions. It scares the holy creepola outta me that there are children out there in the world that have NO regard for human life. It's just another game they are playing, except this time it was real time.

:girl_sad:
The sad part of this is kids of today are so desenseitized (sp?) with some of the games that they do play. This makes me wonder if an ordeal like this is really 'real' to them?

[Try2Win]

You got Pmd by a moderator, T2W.

I said Adm has asked that we let a thread run to 800 before posting another one.

Since you're over 700 now, and two of you have started a new one, we'll let this one stand and close the other.

Have a great day, everyone. :0012:

btw, this trial should be titled "Michigan vs. Jean Pierre Orlewicz"

JMO

[lost indie]

OMG you guys....

OMG OMG OMG OMG

I've been at my job for less than a year. I worked in manufacturing for thirty years. It was a huge shock when the plant closed. Now...I work in retail.

I like it and I am good at it. They actually send me thankyou cards in the mail. It actually makes me cry. No one in manufacturing EVER said thanks or good job.

I got a HUGE promotion today. When the boss asked me if I wanted it my face was like this----->:shock:

He told my coworkers in morning huddle and their faces looked like this------>:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:: shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:

I hate to pizz off my coworkers...I REALLY do. It will be way better money and more responsibility.

I still feel like-----?:faintTHUD:

[dojewo]

It must be very tough.

I do too. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I feel like he is sort of a victim in this himself. Granted, he did those things willingly. I just don't believe he thought about what he was doing....really.
Do you think JP threatened him at all?

[TigressPen]

uhhhhh I missed that part. WHAT? What about him being naked?

Shades of Lizzie Borden!~


When he helped dispose of the body, he gave JP his shirt and pants to put on so JP could get rid of his own. This witness drove home wearing a sweater (or Tee) and undershorts. And went and washed his car before going home!!!

[lovelaw]

OMG, this is so sick!! I hope JP gets life without parole.


In one statement secretly videorecorded in Canton Township, Letkemann told officers he was shocked when Orlewicz jumped Sorenson from behind and slit his throat.

"Dan asked something like, 'Why?' He was like whispering something," Letkemann said in a recording played Friday in court. "JP said, 'I know man. Just let it take over. Let it take over.' "

taken from: http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080216/METRO/802160356



I AGREE!

I remember that statement too!! It is CREEPY, and disgusting! It really shows his mindset.

I wonder if drugs were involved that day. I am thinking it is very possible.

[Xmygrits]

I respect that! I am even TRYING to think the worst of this kid, and I just can't. He seems like an unwitting participant. He just did the things they asked him to do, maybe because he though he'd better.

I have a question for you love.

If this kid (on the stand) was wearing a ball cap on backwards, a tank top that showed a skull tatoo all over his arms, and his baggy jeans down to his knees, would your opinion of him being a unwitting participant vary any?

[Try2Win]

Do you think JP threatened him at all?


no

[Xmygrits]

When he helped dispose of the body, he gave JP his shirt and pants to put on so JP could get rid of his own. This witness drove home wearing a sweater (or Tee) and undershorts. And went and washed his car before going home!!!

I think he knew full well what he was doing and he thought it was 'cool and badass' at the time.

[kindee]

OMG you guys....

OMG OMG OMG OMG

I've been at my job for less than a year. I worked in manufacturing for thirty years. It was a huge shock when the plant closed. Now...I work in retail.

I like it and I am good at it. They actually send me thankyou cards in the mail. It actually makes me cry. No one in manufacturing EVER said thanks or good job.

I got a HUGE promotion today. When the boss asked me if I wanted it my face was like this----->:shock:

He told my coworkers in morning huddle and their faces looked like this------>:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:

I hate to pizz off my coworkers...I REALLY do. It will be way better money and more responsibility.

I still feel like-----?:faintTHUD:


Congrats and I am SURE you deserve it. So sit back and cash the checks.

:hifive:


Hey, we can only use 15 smilies. Did anyone know that??? :girl_haha:

[TigressPen]

OMG you guys....

OMG OMG OMG OMG

I've been at my job for less than a year. I worked in manufacturing for thirty years. It was a huge shock when the plant closed. Now...I work in retail.

I like it and I am good at it. They actually send me thankyou cards in the mail. It actually makes me cry. No one in manufacturing EVER said thanks or good job.

I got a HUGE promotion today. When the boss asked me if I wanted it my face was like this-----

He told my coworkers in morning huddle and their faces looked like this------>:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:: shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:

I hate to pizz off my coworkers...I REALLY do. It will be way better money and more responsibility.

I still feel like-----?:faintTHUD:



CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! :1222423:

[dojewo]

OMG you guys....

OMG OMG OMG OMG

I've been at my job for less than a year. I worked in manufacturing for thirty years. It was a huge shock when the plant closed. Now...I work in retail.

I like it and I am good at it. They actually send me thankyou cards in the mail. It actually makes me cry. No one in manufacturing EVER said thanks or good job.

I got a HUGE promotion today. When the boss asked me if I wanted it my face was like this----->:shock:

He told my coworkers in morning huddle and their faces looked like this------>:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:: shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:

I hate to pizz off my coworkers...I REALLY do. It will be way better money and more responsibility.

I still feel like-----?:faintTHUD:
Congrats Lost Indie!

[mitch]

i keep coming back to something my husband told me along time ago.

i don't even know how this came into our conversation but he told me that his father told him something like this when he was a teenager "son sometimes you might have some dark thoughts violenence or evil. when you have those thoughts just know that it is not who you are and change your thoughts to something peaceful and of beauty" something like that anyway. my FIL kept a very close relationship with all 3 of his sons esp during the teen years.

my husband keeps both of our boys very close too.


so i wonder if young teenage males maybe because of hormones video games movies and lack of a father involved in there lives that they can do these kinds of things.

because girls as caty and mean as they can be during teen years they don't do these kinds of horrific murders not that i have ever heard of anyway.

[Xmygrits]

OMG you guys....

OMG OMG OMG OMG

I've been at my job for less than a year. I worked in manufacturing for thirty years. It was a huge shock when the plant closed. Now...I work in retail.

I like it and I am good at it. They actually send me thankyou cards in the mail. It actually makes me cry. No one in manufacturing EVER said thanks or good job.

I got a HUGE promotion today. When the boss asked me if I wanted it my face was like this----->:shock:

He told my coworkers in morning huddle and their faces looked like this------>:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:: shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:

I hate to pizz off my coworkers...I REALLY do. It will be way better money and more responsibility.

I still feel like-----?:faintTHUD:


Congratulations!!!!!!!!! Way to go!

[kindee]

When he helped dispose of the body, he gave JP his shirt and pants to put on so JP could get rid of his own. This witness drove home wearing a sweater (or Tee) and undershorts. And went and washed his car before going home!!!




geez louise, this was a planned little outing, was it not?

So: Ayyash. Is he getting of Scot free? What was his plea bargain?

[lovelaw]

ITA with you! Total flat afflect. A child is raised up in the way that he should go, so I also cast blame on these kids parents.


Mornin ya'll!

*xmy ducks n runs*


:0012::0012:


The relationship between the parents and the kids must be distant.....incomplete. It makes me angry, and sad.

[lovelaw]

Once again you beat me by a hair!

:mornincoffee: all!



:grin:

:0012::0012:

[kindee]

I respect that! I am even TRYING to think the worst of this kid, and I just can't. He seems like an unwitting participant. He just did the things they asked him to do, maybe because he though he'd better.




Maybe he's just being stoic and strong but I don't hear any remorse either.

I am hoping he is just staying strong for the circumstances. But the monotone and lack of affect have me wondering.


so he's not been charged with anything as long as he cooperates? Oh my my my.

[Xmygrits]

:0012::0012:


The relationship between the parents and the kids must be distant.....incomplete. It makes me angry, and sad.

Me too! Society pay's the price. We all pay the price in one way or the other.

BTW, I REALLY like this judge! I have been much more impressed with the female judges I've seen lately then their male counterparts. IMO

[lovelaw]

uhhhhh I missed that part. WHAT? What about him being naked?

Shades of Lizzie Borden!~


He had given up some of his clothing to the bloody defendant.

[StoneFox]

Oh no,:lex_10: I am not saying this guy doesn't deserve to be in jail along side JP and AL. Not that!! :shock: I do sense some remorse in him though. Perhaps it's fear of the immunity being taken away. I really don't know. But he isn't as emotionless as Mullins was.

I'll go there with you Tigress~the fear he might lose his immunity. I don't think he gave a flying flip this guy was killed or the fact he helped move a DEAD body. He fears only for himself. He went home, went to his room, put on clean clothes and drve his sister to her class. If he had any emotions, he would have been puking has head off and not been able to nonchalantly and calmly drive his sister to her class.

[Xmygrits]

Maybe he's just being stoic and strong but I don't hear any remorse either.

I am hoping he is just staying strong for the circumstances. But the monotone and lack of affect have me wondering.

Hey Mz Kindee, do you get "gut feelings" of people right off the bat and find out later your intuition was spot on?

[kindee]

Me too! Society pay's the price. We all pay the price in one way or the other.

BTW, I REALLY like this judge! I have been much more impressed with the female judges I've seen lately then their male counterparts. IMO




All except for the worst judge of all time, Judge Roberts.

Other than that I agree with you. I LOVE this judge. She rocks.

[lovelaw]

OMG you guys....

OMG OMG OMG OMG

I've been at my job for less than a year. I worked in manufacturing for thirty years. It was a huge shock when the plant closed. Now...I work in retail.

I like it and I am good at it. They actually send me thankyou cards in the mail. It actually makes me cry. No one in manufacturing EVER said thanks or good job.

I got a HUGE promotion today. When the boss asked me if I wanted it my face was like this----->:shock:

He told my coworkers in morning huddle and their faces looked like this------>:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:: shock::shock::shock:

I hate to pizz off my coworkers...I REALLY do. It will be way better money and more responsibility.

I still feel like-----?:faintTHUD:


CONGRATULATIONS!!~:zm10:

[lovelaw]

Do you think JP threatened him at all?


I think he would have said so if he did. I had been wondering the same though. So far, it seems he must not have.

[lost indie]

Thanks guys...

:zm10:

[TigressPen]

I AGREE!

I remember that statement too!! It is CREEPY, and disgusting! It really shows his mindset.

I wonder if drugs were involved that day. I am thinking it is very possible.



One of Letkemann's friends said he was shocked and didn't believe Letkemann could do such as he was accused but also said "We kind of drifted apart because he got involved in some stuff I didn't want to. He seems wild and like he would do some crazy things, but nothing like killing someone. It seems impossible to believe."

[StoneFox]

Oh, now we see some emotion, some concern, when he talks about his immunity deal. NAH, this guy cares ONLY for himself.

[kindee]

Hey Mz Kindee, do you get "gut feelings" of people right off the bat and find out later your intuition was spot on?



I like to think so---I'm just looking or listening for some remorse from this guy and I'm not seeing any. Maybe his emotions have been flattened by the material he is having to report and discuss so he is removing himself from it emotionally, but he looks sullen and irritated to have to be here.

But I know a lot of boys like this---sometimes it's a show, as one of you said, to look tough and badazz. Really they are babies inside. I'd have to know more.

But JP there is trying to cry and can't muster a tear. I think it's no mistake the two of them (and more) got together. Birds of a feather and all that.

[lovelaw]

I have a question for you love.

If this kid (on the stand) was wearing a ball cap on backwards, a tank top that showed a skull tatoo all over his arms, and his baggy jeans down to his knees, would your opinion of him being a unwitting participant vary any?



Good question!

His looks influenced me IMMEDIATELY! But, honestly, it is his testimony that has me considering his level of involvement, and his willingness in his participation.

Cross may change my opinion.

[kindee]

One of Letkemann's friends said he was shocked and didn't believe Letkemann could do such as he was accused but also said "We kind of drifted apart because he got involved in some stuff I didn't want to. He seems wild and like he would do some crazy things, but nothing like killing someone. It seems impossible to believe."




HMMMMMM that is very interesting. Plus, when I heard his parents' oblivious denial at that presser it was clear they didn't really know WHAT their son was doing nor was capable of. Psychopaths are very good at keeping their "real" life separate from the one they present to people. Even Ann Rule didn't know what the real Ted Bundy was like and she worked with him.

[Xmygrits]

Thanks guys...

:zm10:

Sooo, does this mean you are taking us all to lunch?

[lovelaw]

Congrats and I am SURE you deserve it. So sit back and cash the checks.

:hifive:


Hey, we can only use 15 smilies. Did anyone know that??? :girl_haha:

Not until I quoted the post!!~:girl_haha:

[Roamer]

Harlett said as long as there's a trial going on, starting a daily thread is fine. If it gets over 800 in a day, you can feel free to start a new one.

[bambam]

wow!! congrats to you, indie!!!!!

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj236/my2fast69/congratulations.gif



:mornincoffee: mornin' peeps!! i've had puter problems all morning... think i finally got it resolved!! who is this guy?

[kindee]

I'll go there with you Tigress~the fear he might lose his immunity. I don't think he gave a flying flip this guy was killed or the fact he helped move a DEAD body. He fears only for himself. He went home, went to his room, put on clean clothes and drve his sister to her class. If he had any emotions, he would have been puking has head off and not been able to nonchalantly and calmly drive his sister to her class.



I'm with y'all so far. I'm kind of concerned he's going to get complete immunity and be free to walk our streets. I hope he gets lots and lots of therapy, and that his parents don't just excuse his behavior as "boys will be boys" and peer pressure and such. If he wasn't troubled before, he is after this little foray into the world of murder.

[Try2Win]

Harlett said as long as there's a trial going on, starting a daily thread is fine. If it gets over 800 in a day, you can feel free to start a new one.

how about titling this trial properly as Michigan vs. Jean Pierre Orlewicz?

[lovelaw]

geez louise, this was a planned little outing, was it not?

So: Ayyash. Is he getting of Scot free? What was his plea bargain?


He will not be charged with being an accessory after the fact in exchange for his truthful testimony.

[Xmygrits]

snipped respectfully...
But I know a lot of boys like this---sometimes it's a show, as one of you said, to look tough and badazz. Really they are babies inside. I'd have to know more.

But JP there is trying to cry and can't muster a tear. I think it's no mistake the two of them (and more) got together. Birds of a feather and all that.


True. The child in them is in WAY over their heads and probably became more apparent to them only AFTER they were caught.

[kindee]

wow!! congrats to you, indie!!!!!

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj236/my2fast69/congratulations.gif



:mornincoffee: mornin' peeps!! i've had puter problems all morning... think i finally got it resolved!! who is this guy?




Hi Bam! Did you survive the storms, then? This dude helped to dispose of the body.

[bambam]

woohoo smack him down judge!

[lovelaw]

Maybe he's just being stoic and strong but I don't hear any remorse either.

I am hoping he is just staying strong for the circumstances. But the monotone and lack of affect have me wondering.


so he's not been charged with anything as long as he cooperates? Oh my my my.


He is a tough one to read, for me. I just have a feeling.

Correct. NADA!~

[Xmygrits]

wow!! congrats to you, indie!!!!!

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj236/my2fast69/congratulations.gif



:mornincoffee: mornin' peeps!! i've had puter problems all morning... think i finally got it resolved!! who is this guy?

Mornin Honey Bun? Hows the noodle today?

[lovelaw]

Me too! Society pay's the price. We all pay the price in one way or the other.

BTW, I REALLY like this judge! I have been much more impressed with the female judges I've seen lately then their male counterparts. IMO


VERY TRUE!~

I like her too. She rocks!~

[kindee]

He will not be charged with being an accessory after the fact in exchange for his truthful testimony.




Wow. I guess they have to give up the little fish to get the big one. But I also hope his parents don't just walk away from it and think it's behind them.

[bambam]

Hi Bam! Did you survive the storms, then? This dude helped to dispose of the body.

some storms last nite, but they say the tornadoey day will be tomorrow!! and i have an appt. tomorrow! :girl_sad: don't know if it will happen during the day or night.....

[kindee]

True. The child in them is in WAY over their heads and probably became more apparent to them only AFTER they were caught.




Really, I can see going along with something just to get out of it alive. And kids, they really don't know what consequences there might be until after the fact.

But I just wish he'd cry and say how sorry he is, how horrible he feels about it now.

I'm not seeing or hearing that.

[lovelaw]

One of Letkemann's friends said he was shocked and didn't believe Letkemann could do such as he was accused but also said "We kind of drifted apart because he got involved in some stuff I didn't want to. He seems wild and like he would do some crazy things, but nothing like killing someone. It seems impossible to believe."


Somewhere along the lines, these boy's lives went off track. A shame. Where were the parents in all of this??? I HAVE to wonder!~

[TigressPen]

Good question!

His looks influenced me IMMEDIATELY! But, honestly, it is his testimony that has me considering his level of involvement, and his willingness in his participation.

Cross may change my opinion.



He stated that when JP called and told him he didn't believe JP. But, I do still feel this young man has shown remorse for his actions. I don't know if it's remorse that Daniel Sorenson is dead, just that he regrets being a part of this. Not because he was caught, but because he did what he did instead of saying no, I am not going to be a part of this after he saw JP had killed and beheaded DS.


And I am still mad he isn't going to spend time in jail for his actions. I hate immunity deals. Less time spent I can deal with, but immunity makes me angry in any murder case.

[bambam]

Mornin Honey Bun? Hows the noodle today?

much better!! i have like a streak going from the corner of my left eye all the way back to almost the top of my ear.... dh says i should get one on the other side to match!! it's kinda like some exotic makeup technique... it's starting to grow on me... i'm kinda liking it!!! :67302:

[Xmygrits]

Heh, you can see the eye contact between JPO and the witness real well during sidebar. Everytime JP looks over at him on the stand, the witness (dont know his name) looks the other way.

[kindee]

some storms last nite, but they say the tornadoey day will be tomorrow!! and i have an appt. tomorrow! :girl_sad: don't know if it will happen during the day or night.....




the last report I heard said the storms are going to come in later tomorrow---so git 'er dun early! Yes, we are being terrified by the forecasts for tomorrow. I guess it's a classic setup for a major outbreak.


I am trying to see some emotion or remorse from this guy and I just amnot seeing it.

Maybe he's nervous...

[bambam]

this is not the STAR witness that copped the plea, is it???

[lovelaw]

I'm with y'all so far. I'm kind of concerned he's going to get complete immunity and be free to walk our streets. I hope he gets lots and lots of therapy, and that his parents don't just excuse his behavior as "boys will be boys" and peer pressure and such. If he wasn't troubled before, he is after this little foray into the world of murder.


It concerns me too. He, at LEAST, has issues dealing with peer pressure....right vs. wrong, doing the RIGHT thing vs. the easier thing etc... He definitely needs help.

[mitch]

some storms last nite, but they say the tornadoey day will be tomorrow!! and i have an appt. tomorrow! :girl_sad: don't know if it will happen during the day or night.....

do ya all have a cellar like the one in the Wizard of OZ.

btw that is my all time fav movie.

[kindee]

Heh, you can see the eye contact between JPO and the witness real well during sidebar. Everytime JP looks over at him on the stand, the witness (dont know his name) looks the other way.




That defendant is a scary little dude.

[lovelaw]

I have to pack up my baked goods and take them to school!!~

:0012::0012::0012:

BBL!!~

[Xmygrits]

much better!! i have like a streak going from the corner of my left eye all the way back to almost the top of my ear.... dh says i should get one on the other side to match!! it's kinda like some exotic makeup technique... it's starting to grow on me... i'm kinda liking it!!! :67302:

Battle wounds mah dear.

I am painted permanently all over my bod with scars from self inflicted accidental wounds. I'm a real prize to behold.

[mollybrown]

this is not the STAR witness that copped the plea, is it???


Izzy (the guy on the stand) helped load the body into the pick up truck. He got immunity.

[Xmygrits]

I have to pack up my baked goods and take them to school!!~

:0012::0012::0012:

BBL!!~

Have fun! Come back soon!

[StoneFox]

Somewhere along the lines, these boy's lives went off track. A shame. Where were the parents in all of this??? I HAVE to wonder!~

Caught up in their jobs, their golfing dates, their clubs, their public image, totally oblivious to their child's psychological development. Because they thought they had the appearance of being good in their circles, their children would too. They believed what their children told them and did not care enough to make sure the statements their children made were the truth. They were flying out the door at every opportunity to sustain their own image.

[bambam]

do ya all have a cellar like the one in the Wizard of OZ.

btw that is my all time fav movie.

my BIL does... and dh is sooooooo tornadophobic that we MUST go there whenever the T-word is mentioned!!! :girl_sad: i just hate it cos it's soooo small and claustrophobic!!!! aaaaccckkk!!!!

[bambam]

Izzy (the guy on the stand) helped load the body into the pick up truck. He got immunity.

ahh so this IS the one! this is the one i wanted to hear!

[lost indie]

JP reminds me of Damien from the Omen movies....

[TigressPen]

Somewhere along the lines, these boy's lives went off track. A shame. Where were the parents in all of this??? I HAVE to wonder!~


Trusting they had raised their kids to do right and that the kids were doing just that. Maybe they were latchkey kids. Both parents working with no adult supervision in younger years gives kids to much of a notion of freedom to do as they please to me. And many times those parents (perhaps out of a sense of guilt for not being there more) allow that freedom... But, this kid called his mom and asked permission to use the car. So, that says something for the parents.

[mollybrown]

ahh so this IS the one! this is the one i wanted to hear!

I think you also want to hear Alex L who took a plea last week to 2rd dregree murder in exchange for his testimoney. He was in the garage when JP killed DS

[TigressPen]

ahh so this IS the one! this is the one i wanted to hear!


I want to hear Letkemann's testimony.

[bambam]

JP reminds me of Damien from the Omen movies....

ooh he does! did you see my card i sent you on the other page?? congrats again!!! :hifive:

[lost indie]

ooh he does! did you see my card i sent you on the other page?? congrats again!!! :hifive:

I did...thanks..

Im still in shock...

[Xmygrits]

JP reminds me of Damien from the Omen movies....

You are right!!! I couldn't place who he reminded me of but that is it!

I'm going out to a lunch date ya'll - bbl.

:0012:

[bambam]

I want to hear Letkemann's testimony.

ok i'm getting confuzzed now..... maybe HE is the one i want to see... which one is the one who's gonna spill all the beans cos he copped a plea??? is it this guy? or the guy you're talking about?? :confused:

[mitch]

my BIL does... and dh is sooooooo tornadophobic that we MUST go there whenever the T-word is mentioned!!! :girl_sad: i just hate it cos it's soooo small and claustrophobic!!!! aaaaccckkk!!!!

tornados are so scary. i watch those extream weather shows and tornados are crazy. i have watched those twister sisters and storm chaser shows, but there pretty cheezy. i'm with Mr Bam i'd be heading to one of those cellars too. wouldn't want to land in Oz.

[mollybrown]

ok i'm getting confuzzed now..... maybe HE is the one i want to see... which one is the one who's gonna spill all the beans cos he copped a plea??? is it this guy? or the guy you're talking about?? :confused:

It's the guy we're talking about.

[dojewo]

I have to pack up my baked goods and take them to school!!~

:0012::0012::0012:

BBL!!~
see you later

[bambam]

I think you also want to hear Alex L who took a plea last week to 2rd dregree murder in exchange for his testimoney. He was in the garage when JP killed DS

thanks!! HE's the one! i was just asking a couple of posts up!

[Try2Win]

I never heard of this Steve guy before today. Maybe he will be next?

[TigressPen]

ok i'm getting confuzzed now..... maybe HE is the one i want to see... which one is the one who's gonna spill all the beans cos he copped a plea??? is it this guy? or the guy you're talking about?? :confused:



This witness, Isam Ayyash got immunity. Alex Letkemann got less time for his deal. He is the one who was with JP during the murder. Isam came afterward and helped dispose of body.

[Try2Win]

5 minutes

I love this judge. :girl_haha:

[mollybrown]

This witness, Isam Ayyash got immunity. Alex Letkemann got less time for his deal. He is the one who was with JP during the murder. Isam came afterward and helped dispose of body.

I think I read that Alex L took 2nd degree and 20-30 years. I don't believe he has been sentenced yet. His plea was just last week.

[bambam]

This witness, Isam Ayyash got immunity. Alex Letkemann got less time for his deal. He is the one who was with JP during the murder. Isam came afterward and helped dispose of body.

ok, sorry, i'm clear on this now. this one got immunity... and the other guy copped for 20 years, right?

[kindee]

JP reminds me of Damien from the Omen movies....




OMG I hadn't thought that but now that you mention it...:shock:

[TigressPen]

I think I read that Alex L took 2nd degree and 20-30 years. I don't believe he has been sentenced yet. His plea was just last week.



He hasn't. That will happen on 23rd of this month. But then, if he lies on stand and inconsistent with plea deal agreement testimony then that plea deal will go out the window. He had previously stated they forced him to plead guilty. Kept him in a cold cell without food etc etc...

[StoneFox]

He hasn't. That will happen on 23rd of this month. But then, if he lies on stand and inconsistent with plea deal agreement testimony then that plea deal will go out the window. He had previously stated they forced him to plead guilty. Kept him in a cold cell without food etc etc...

Oh, the Darren Mack confession defense. :71541:

[mollybrown]

WOW I hadn't read that TP. Well we will see how his testimoney plays out. It could be berry berry interesting.

[Try2Win]

Firefighters are battling a blaze at an assisted living home in West Bloomfield, Michigan.

Fly With Four: Watch Live: Fire Rescue At Nursing H0me

The fire started at Hechtman Federation Apartments, located at 6690 West Maple Road around 10:30 a.m.

The fire reportedly started on the third floor of the three story building.

Residents are being evacuated. Firefighters had to carry many residents down the ladder out of the windows and balconies of the upstairs floors.

Stay with Local 4 and ClickOnDetroit.com for further updates on this developing story.

[bambam]

what's the deal? i thought they were on a 5 minute break. why is it not listed on cnn now?

[annalyzer]

Firefighters are battling a blaze at an assisted living home in West Bloomfield, Michigan.

Fly With Four: Watch Live: Fire Rescue At Nursing H0me

The fire started at Hechtman Federation Apartments, located at 6690 West Maple Road around 10:30 a.m.

The fire reportedly started on the third floor of the three story building.

Residents are being evacuated. Firefighters had to carry many residents down the ladder out of the windows and balconies of the upstairs floors.

Stay with Local 4 and ClickOnDetroit.com for further updates on this developing story.

OMG those poor people. They must be absolutely terrified!

[TigressPen]

Oh, the Darren Mack confession defense. :71541:


Yep. And parents are standing behind him 100%. I don't know how they feel since plea deal but Dad had said once... Anyone who knows my family and me, and Alex in particular, knows this would be totally out of character. I love him,"

[mollybrown]

I'm off to get some work done. Later Tater.... :0012:

[kindee]

what's the deal? i thought they were on a 5 minute break. why is it not listed on cnn now?




I hate when they do that! Why? Why not just stay on the air for five flippin' minutes??????

[TigressPen]

Firefighters are battling a blaze at an assisted living home in West Bloomfield, Michigan.

Fly With Four: Watch Live: Fire Rescue At Nursing H0me

The fire started at Hechtman Federation Apartments, located at 6690 West Maple Road around 10:30 a.m.

The fire reportedly started on the third floor of the three story building.

Residents are being evacuated. Firefighters had to carry many residents down the ladder out of the windows and balconies of the upstairs floors.

Stay with Local 4 and ClickOnDetroit.com for further updates on this developing story.



OMG! That could be tragic for so many elderly. Ones on oxygen or needs other medical care for lungs ...

[bambam]

whew ok it's listed again

[gramvof14]

OMG you guys....

OMG OMG OMG OMG

I've been at my job for less than a year. I worked in manufacturing for thirty years. It was a huge shock when the plant closed. Now...I work in retail.

I like it and I am good at it. They actually send me thankyou cards in the mail. It actually makes me cry. No one in manufacturing EVER said thanks or good job.

I got a HUGE promotion today. When the boss asked me if I wanted it my face was like this----->:shock:

He told my coworkers in morning huddle and their faces looked like this------>:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:: shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:

I hate to pizz off my coworkers...I REALLY do. It will be way better money and more responsibility.

I still feel like-----?:faintTHUD:
congratulations Lost Indie that is wonderful I know, I know I am way behind, but I was on the phone with my son he is doing very good.

[mitch]

whew ok it's listed again

what cnn isn't listing the trial. where are you getting it?

[kindee]

congratulations Lost Indie that is wonderful I know, I know I am way behind, but I was on the phone with my son he is doing very good.




That is great news Gram! :love0085:

[bambam]

congratulations Lost Indie that is wonderful I know, I know I am way behind, but I was on the phone with my son he is doing very good.

that's great to hear, gram!! congrats to you too, then! :zm10:

[bambam]

what cnn isn't listing the trial. where are you getting it?

it's on the list to the side of the vid pics.... and it wasn't while ago (cnn) oops i think it's back now........nope. still only on the event list! aarrggh!

[dojewo]

congratulations Lost Indie that is wonderful I know, I know I am way behind, but I was on the phone with my son he is doing very good.This is great news Gram, I'm glad he's doing better.

[bambam]

aackk!! it says it's "in progress" but we can't get to it!!

[dojewo]

it's on the list to the side of the vid pics.... and it wasn't while ago (cnn) oops i think it's back now........nope. still only on the event list! aarrggh!
:girl_sad:I don't have it on my list, is anyone live?

[bambam]

:girl_sad:I don't have it on my list, is anyone live?

nope. but it's on the LIVE STREAM list and it says "in progress".........?????????

[Cat]

congratulations Lost Indie that is wonderful I know, I know I am way behind, but I was on the phone with my son he is doing very good.

Congratulations, lost indie; you must be a great worker. :zm10:

Gram, so glad son is doing well. :basic44:

[TigressPen]

:girl_sad:I don't have it on my list, is anyone live?



Mine goes to the fire. Which is so sad to see. All those elderly people in danger of smoke inhalation.

[Cat]

nope. but it's on the LIVE STREAM list and it says "in progress".........?????????

Hi bambam,
I HATE CNN. :girl_sad: I can't even get it most of the time.

[kindee]

Hi bambam,
I HATE CNN. :girl_sad: I can't even get it most of the time.




hiya Cat!

Is anyone getting the trial yet?????

[dojewo]

nope. but it's on the LIVE STREAM list and it says "in progress".........?????????
Don't tell my I have to resort to turning TTV on.

[bambam]

Hi bambam,
I HATE CNN. :girl_sad: I can't even get it most of the time.

hi cat! i think they are going to cover this fire before continuing with the trial..........????

[Try2Win]

i am watching insession now since cnn dropped our link.

[bambam]

CR@P!!! is this streamed on clickondetroit too??? they SAID they were going to have live feed!!!

[dojewo]

Mine goes to the fire. Which is so sad to see. All those elderly people in danger of smoke inhalation.
This is sad, those poor people must be scared chitless.

[Try2Win]

alex is next

[bambam]

i am watching insession now since cnn dropped our link.

i don't have ttv anymore :girl_sad: guess i'm SOL! :mad:

[Cornblossom]

CR@P!!! is this streamed on clickondetroit too??? they SAID they were going to have live feed!!!
:mornincoffee: It's no where anywhere.....it's like we are the forgotten ones LMAO

[Try2Win]

alex is on the stand

[lost indie]

congratulations Lost Indie that is wonderful I know, I know I am way behind, but I was on the phone with my son he is doing very good.

Thanks gram...and glad to hear about your son...

:s1gyahoo:

[Try2Win]

courtroom looks full, many young people, possibly alex's friends

[Cornblossom]

alex is next
no wonder CNN dropped it from their list...now we HAVE to watch TTV.....Jean said Alex was going to be the last states witness.......I wonder.

[TigressPen]

i don't have ttv anymore :girl_sad: guess i'm SOL! :mad:



CNN has 2 streams covering the fire!! One could be used for the trial. :(

[mitch]

alex in on the stand. JFlo got a hair cut.

[Try2Win]

they are talking about alex's agreement

[Try2Win]

split screen with jp and alex.

cnn cannot do that.

[mitch]

its back on cnn everyone

[Cornblossom]

its back on cnn

[bambam]

Don't tell my I have to resort to turning TTV on.

doj, the reason you weren't seeing it listed, is because i was looking at the homepage, where there is a list under "Live Schedule"..... it's still listed under there. but you can't click on it to view. i was wondering why you couldn't see it on the list!! lol

[Try2Win]

jp looks like he is going to cry

[TigressPen]

no wonder CNN dropped it from their list...now we HAVE to watch TTV.....Jean said Alex was going to be the last states witness.......I wonder.



I don't want to take the TV from my grandson to watch this. :( The cartoons playing now are his favs. At least until 11 central.

[gramvof14]

That is great news Gram! :love0085:
thanks Kindee I am still trying to catch up. haha

[Try2Win]

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4

[TigressPen]

It is back!!!

[bambam]

its back on cnn

FINALLY!! yea! hope they don't pull that chit no mo!!!

[kindee]

Don't tell my I have to resort to turning TTV on.




Ack, I did just in time for it all to come back live. Can't do Jami.

morning Do and Corn and all!! :mornincoffee:

[mitch]

jp looks like he is going to cry

yes he does. it's blows my mind what these kids did.

[bambam]

ok..NOW is this guy that took the plea?? who is this guy?

[dojewo]

doj, the reason you weren't seeing it listed, is because i was looking at the homepage, where there is a list under "Live Schedule"..... it's still listed under there. but you can't click on it to view. i was wondering why you couldn't see it on the list!! lol
Yes that would be it, I don't have the home page opened up because I clicked on a live link from someone earlier.

[StoneFox]

Yep. And parents are standing behind him 100%. I don't know how they feel since plea deal but Dad had said once... Anyone who knows my family and me, and Alex in particular, knows this would be totally out of character. I love him,"

Uh-huh, and we see how much the parents knew their son. :022:

[Cornblossom]

yes he does. it's blows my mind what these kids did.he's been rubbing his eyes all morning...I think he's trying to make tears:0012:

[dojewo]

Ack, I did just in time for it all to come back live. Can't do Jami.

morning Do and Corn and all!! :mornincoffee:Well I did turn on the tv just in time for CNN to come back on

[TigressPen]

ok..NOW is this guy that took the plea?? who is this guy?



Alex Letkemann.

[mitch]

Uh-huh, and we see how much the parents knew their son. :022:

i watcched the presser with this kids parents yesterday. the father just kept saying " you all need to know the REAL alex"

well dad i guess we are getting to hear it right from the babes mouth.

[Try2Win]

he's been rubbing his eyes all morning...I think he's trying to make tears:0012:

JP is going to chit his pants pretty soon. jmo

[kindee]

no wonder CNN dropped it from their list...now we HAVE to watch TTV.....Jean said Alex was going to be the last states witness.......I wonder.




I thought there were going to be 72 witnesses or something???? I sure hope the defense doesn't have that many!!!!!!

[bambam]

what? he made a serious MISjudgment??????? ya THINK??? and this kid just went along with it??????

[bambam]

THIS is the one i've been waiting for!!

[kindee]

i watcched the presser with this kids parents yesterday. the father just kept saying " you all need to know the REAL alex"

well dad i guess we are getting to hear it right from the babes mouth.



yep. Guess the parents were in the dark, eh?

[kindee]

he's been rubbing his eyes all morning...I think he's trying to make tears:0012:




That is EXACTLY what I think too. He's been trying to cry all day but it ain't working.

[StoneFox]

I see AlexL cleaned up his Jim Morrison look for trial. :eyebrow1qb:

[Cat]

Does anyone know if any of this trial is on YouTube or anywhere else? I can't get CNN, and I don't have TTV. :girl_sad:

[sciencegirl]

Morning all :love0085:

Running late this morning; had a doc appt early. All I can say is the parents of these kids must be so so proud. :eyebrow1qb:

[Cat]

Morning all :love0085:

Running late this morning; had a doc appt early. All I can say is the parents of these kids must be so so proud. :eyebrow1qb:

Hi SG. How is your back now?

[mitch]

what? he made a serious MISjudgment??????? ya THINK??? and this kid just went along with it??????

bring pot to school would be a serious MISjudgment.

playing look out to a murder to relieve a hundred dollar dept is just down right evil.

[StoneFox]

i watcched the presser with this kids parents yesterday. the father just kept saying " you all need to know the REAL alex"

well dad i guess we are getting to hear it right from the babes mouth.

I think everyboy but the parents knew the real Alex. They should get there heads out and see the sunshine. :rolleye0001:

[bambam]

Does anyone know if any of this trial is on YouTube or anywhere else? I can't get CNN, and I don't have TTV. :girl_sad:

nope, cat. don't think ya can get it anywhere but ttv or cnn. :girl_sad:

[Cornblossom]

INDIE:



http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s4/karsmi123/yr/yr0401.gif
Congrats!!

[sciencegirl]

Hi SG. How is your back now?

Oh; it's doing good. Thanks. How's everything with you?

[bambam]

LOVE the kiss pic corn!!!

[Cat]

nope, cat. don't think ya can get it anywhere but ttv or cnn. :girl_sad:

Thanks, Bam. Well, shucks. Normally, I don't miss having TTV, but I really wanted to hear if JP testifies.

[kindee]

I see AlexL cleaned up his Jim Morrison look for trial. :eyebrow1qb:




Sort of, but he still looks pretty much the same.

These young boys....just freaky.

[mitch]

yep. Guess the parents were in the dark, eh?


unbelievable i can't uderstand how parents could not know. they must have ignored or turned a blind eye to what and who these kids were hanging around with and doing.

[Cornblossom]

Does anyone know if any of this trial is on YouTube or anywhere else? I can't get CNN, and I don't have TTV. :girl_sad:it's supposed to be on here...but I can't find it:



http://www.clickondetroit.com/index.html

[StoneFox]

Oh yeah, this guy is a straight, upstanding kid. All he knew about the incident was the WHOLE PREMEDITATED thing.

[kindee]

Morning all :love0085:

Running late this morning; had a doc appt early. All I can say is the parents of these kids must be so so proud. :eyebrow1qb:




Hiya SG---no matter what, this DOES reflect badly on their parenting, sorry to say.

I'd be in denial too. :22wink:

:0012:

[Cat]

Oh; it's doing good. Thanks. How's everything with you?

I'm feeling somewhat better (flu). Just took 4th Z pill today. I have a doc appt at 2:00, my re-scheduled one. At least I can stay up and awake for a while. Still getting fever though--I thought that would be over by now.

[Cornblossom]

Morning all :love0085:

Running late this morning; had a doc appt early. All I can say is the parents of these kids must be so so proud. :eyebrow1qb:It won't be their upbringing talents.....they will blame it on the kids they run around with.:mornincoffee:

[bambam]

it's supposed to be on here...but I can't find it:



http://www.clickondetroit.com/index.html

NObody can find it there!! they LIED!!!

[kindee]

unbelievable i can't uderstand how parents could not know. they must have ignored or turned a blind eye to what and who these kids were hanging around with and doing.




Even after this "kid" admitted to what he did, the parents still wouldn't cop to it all.

You can see how it got to this point. yep yep yep.

[Cat]

it's supposed to be on here...but I can't find it:



http://www.clickondetroit.com/index.html

Thanks, Corny; I tried that, too. I'll live.

[StoneFox]

it's supposed to be on here...but I can't find it:



http://www.clickondetroit.com/index.html

After the OT3 debacle with clickondetroit, I'm not believing anything they say. Supposedly they would be carrying this trial live too, but I haven't been able to find the link on their site. Maybe I am overlooking it, or they have it hiding in an unknown location.

[sciencegirl]

Which kid actually did the killing?

[Cornblossom]

LOVE the kiss pic corn!!!
it goes well with your avatar LMAO

[kindee]

I'm feeling somewhat better (flu). Just took 4th Z pill today. I have a doc appt at 2:00, my re-scheduled one. At least I can stay up and awake for a while. Still getting fever though--I thought that would be over by now.



I wish you were 100%, Cat! That's not fair. But you probably got full-fledged sick before starting the antibiotics---they do sometimes take way too long to start the relief.

Stick with it and (((hugs))) girlie! :love0085:

[TigressPen]

I wonder if the Letkemann's and Orlewizc families are friends.

[Cornblossom]

Which kid actually did the killing?the one at the defense table

[lost indie]

Thanks corny...

love the pic...

:basic44::basic44::basic44:

[StoneFox]

Even after this "kid" admitted to what he did, the parents still wouldn't cop to it all.

You can see how it got to this point. yep yep yep.

Well kindee girl, the parents still have to keep up their image in the community. It can never be their fault.

[kindee]

Thanks, Bam. Well, shucks. Normally, I don't miss having TTV, but I really wanted to hear if JP testifies.




I wonder if he will? Since the claim is self-defense, I would think he might HAVE to in order to have a chance in hell of it flying.

[Cornblossom]

if that pros doesn't get his head out of the camera shot...his head is gonna roll LMAO

[andersson33]

it's supposed to be on here...but I can't find it:



http://www.clickondetroit.com/index.html

Good morning all!
:happy0207:

These "kids" are truly monsters. Talk about no remorse. The #2 guy on the stand right now sounds like he's reading the weather.

Guilty. I can't even begin to think NG. My mind won't work like that.
:(

[Cat]

Quoting Warhorse: I am sooo hoping this turns out to be true. Read here.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser...utv/default.asp

I hope this is true, also, especially if they stream some of them.

[bambam]

Which kid actually did the killing?

umm the one on TRIAL here...... :grin:

[kindee]

Well kindee girl, the parents still have to keep up their image in the community. It can never be their fault.



Oh, no, it won't be the kids' fault OR the parents' fault. It is self defense, so it must be the murdered dude's fault!

[sciencegirl]

the one at the defense table

Oh my; he did??? I thought he was just involved in destroying the body.

[sciencegirl]

Quoting Warhorse: I am sooo hoping this turns out to be true. Read here.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser...utv/default.asp

I hope this is true, also, especially if they stream some of them.

Link didn't work for me Cat.

[Cat]

Good morning all!
:happy0207:

These "kids" are truly monsters. Talk about no remorse. The #2 guy on the stand right now sounds like he's reading the weather.

Guilty. I can't even begin to think NG. My mind won't work like that.
:(

:0012: Hey, andersson, I haven't had the egg yet, but I had an egg salad sandwich the other day, does that count? I haven't had lipstick on since I got sick, maybe today.

[kindee]

Quoting Warhorse: I am sooo hoping this turns out to be true. Read here.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser...utv/default.asp

I hope this is true, also, especially if they stream some of them.



Cat, I can't get that to open no matter how I try. What does it say? :basic44:

[Cornblossom]

After the OT3 debacle with clickondetroit, I'm not believing anything they say. Supposedly they would be carrying this trial live too, but I haven't been able to find the link on their site. Maybe I am overlooking it, or they have it hiding in an unknown location.I found it a couple days ago....they had this little bitty pop up window for viewing and the volume was way down low.....I turned my audio way up and still hardly nothing.

[Cat]

Link didn't work for me Cat.

Sorry, I will try to copy it.

From a TVNewser tipster: "I understand that there is a move afoot to develop a legal television network in place of CourtTV."

Anybody know anything?

• Earlier: CourtTV Adjourns...

> More from an emailer: "I've heard it's more than 'afoot'...that it's a web based gavel-to-gavel network claiming to program multiple trials at the same time; consumer info; caught on tape segments, etc. Former CourtTV people are involved (there are lots of them) and it sounds like the launch is late 3rd quarter early 4th quarter this year...OJ?"

Posted by Chris | 08:57 AM | CourtTV/truTV | Email this post

[TigressPen]

This kid looks like he is scared to death to take his eyes off Pros. He has a long time in prison to think about his part in this murder. Inmates are going to love these kids. They did this to themself and I can't feel any sympathy for them. Evil evil plot and actions did this to them.

[lovelaw]

The defendant had the gun BEFORE Dan had it???

[bambam]

Link didn't work for me Cat.

me either

[kindee]

Good morning all!
:happy0207:

These "kids" are truly monsters. Talk about no remorse. The #2 guy on the stand right now sounds like he's reading the weather.

Guilty. I can't even begin to think NG. My mind won't work like that.
:(



:0012: ITA. I have seen no remorse for the dead guy. It's like another day at the office.

That JP, though? He's scary looking. I think he's giving the evil eye.

[Cornblossom]

Oh my; he did??? I thought he was just involved in destroying the body.

the one testifying now is the helper.......he took the plea deal to roll on JP.....he's facing 20 years I think.

[andersson33]

Quoting Warhorse: I am sooo hoping this turns out to be true. Read here.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser...utv/default.asp

I hope this is true, also, especially if they stream some of them.

Hi Cat!

The link doesn't work?

It's good news, though?

:basic44:

[kindee]

Sorry, I will try to copy it.

From a TVNewser tipster: "I understand that there is a move afoot to develop a legal television network in place of CourtTV."

Anybody know anything?

• Earlier: CourtTV Adjourns...

> More from an emailer: "I've heard it's more than 'afoot'...that it's a web based gavel-to-gavel network claiming to program multiple trials at the same time; consumer info; caught on tape segments, etc. Former CourtTV people are involved (there are lots of them) and it sounds like the launch is late 3rd quarter early 4th quarter this year...OJ?"

Posted by Chris | 08:57 AM | CourtTV/truTV | Email this post


OH HAPPY DAY!!!!!
:francis:


Really, I would pay good $$$ for that.

[Try2Win]

Good morning all!
:happy0207:

These "kids" are truly monsters. Talk about no remorse. The #2 guy on the stand right now sounds like he's reading the weather.

Guilty. I can't even begin to think NG. My mind won't work like that.
:(

JP admits to the killing, he is saying it was self-defense. BS but that is JP's story.

[kindee]

Oh my; he did??? I thought he was just involved in destroying the body.




It's that little dude who looks about 11 who was the instigator, mastermind and accused killer.

[TigressPen]

Oh, no, it won't be the kids' fault OR the parents' fault. It is self defense, so it must be the murdered dude's fault!



I don't place blame on parents either. Just the killers.

[andersson33]

:0012: ITA. I have seen no remorse for the dead guy. It's like another day at the office.

That JP, though? He's scary looking. I think he's giving the evil eye.

I was thinking the same thing earlier this morning.
At first he looks like (sort of) a boy scout.
But his eyes have become darker, and the circles underneath make them sunken--and he sure is doing some evil eye stuff.

Anyone know how tall JP is?

[Cornblossom]

Good morning all!
:happy0207:

These "kids" are truly monsters. Talk about no remorse. The #2 guy on the stand right now sounds like he's reading the weather.

Guilty. I can't even begin to think NG. My mind won't work like that.
:(
I think their parents better start sleeping with one eye open if they are ever freed.

[StoneFox]

Sorry, I will try to copy it.

From a TVNewser tipster: "I understand that there is a move afoot to develop a legal television network in place of CourtTV."

Anybody know anything?

• Earlier: CourtTV Adjourns...

> More from an emailer: "I've heard it's more than 'afoot'...that it's a web based gavel-to-gavel network claiming to program multiple trials at the same time; consumer info; caught on tape segments, etc. Former CourtTV people are involved (there are lots of them) and it sounds like the launch is late 3rd quarter early 4th quarter this year...OJ?"

Posted by Chris | 08:57 AM | CourtTV/truTV | Email this post

WAHOO!!!! Way to give it to 'em former ctv folks!! I'm lovin' it. ctv is it's own worst enemy. :s1gyahoo:

[mitch]

After the OT3 debacle with clickondetroit, I'm not believing anything they say. Supposedly they would be carrying this trial live too, but I haven't been able to find the link on their site. Maybe I am overlooking it, or they have it hiding in an unknown location.


Katy i wanted to respond to a post of your this am.

i am following the el dorado/FLDS thing in texas.

i am so glad that texas had the cohonas to remove ALL of the kids out of that cult. BTW you know they have a compound that they have been building for the last couple of years there in CO too. i wonder what is going on there and in the Dakotas.

[Try2Win]

I don't place blame on parents either. Just the killers.

same here, good parents can have bad kids. just like good kids can have bad parents.

jmo

[Cornblossom]

Sorry, I will try to copy it.

From a TVNewser tipster: "I understand that there is a move afoot to develop a legal television network in place of CourtTV."

Anybody know anything?

• Earlier: CourtTV Adjourns...

> More from an emailer: "I've heard it's more than 'afoot'...that it's a web based gavel-to-gavel network claiming to program multiple trials at the same time; consumer info; caught on tape segments, etc. Former CourtTV people are involved (there are lots of them) and it sounds like the launch is late 3rd quarter early 4th quarter this year...OJ?"

Posted by Chris | 08:57 AM | CourtTV/truTV | Email this post


Warhorse posted that? Well...she's in the know....I hope this is true.

[sciencegirl]

the one testifying now is the helper.......he took the plea deal to roll on JP.....he's facing 20 years I think.

Thanks Corn. I kinda got off track yesterday with all of the entertainment here. Yesterday was a great day!!!!! I had way too much fun:grin:

[gramvof14]

Thanks, Corny; I tried that, too. I'll live.
Hi Cat I am sorry you are still sick,I hope you start feeling better soon.(((hugs))):love0085:gramv

[Cat]

Warhorse posted that? Well...she's in the know....I hope this is true.

Yes, it was Warhorse, Corny.