April 9 Afternoon/April 10th Morning Thread

[KellBell]

Jump on!

[andersson33]

Jump on!

Thanks Kell!

:0012:

[kindee]

Cool breeze, Beatnik Buddies!


idiot lawyer is arguing with the judge AGAIN! gah!

[KellBell]

They must have a ton of cameras in this courtroom. There are so many different angles

[KellBell]

She doesn't take any chit does she. Go Judge!

[kindee]

They must have a ton of cameras in this courtroom. There are so many different angles



I really like the akai feed or whatever that is. Love being able to see the gallery.

[StoneFox]

Thank you for the new thread. The other one wouldn't load properly, and I'm not even sure if my posts were getting posted.

[sciencegirl]

Thanks Kell :zm10:

[IfIMay]

OMG! He just asked the Judge if she was going to testify! CONTEMPT on this fool, Judge.

[KellBell]

Thank you for the new thread. The other one wouldn't load properly, and I'm not even sure if my posts were getting posted.

You're welcome. I hate it when it freezes like that.

[kindee]

The defense atty says snottily "Are YOU going to testify, judge?"

What an azzwipe he is. holy carp!

[Cornblossom]

OMG this guy is way better than Albee at pizzing off judges

[sciencegirl]

Corn; you are so right This defense attorney is sooooo much like Albee.

[StoneFox]

WHOA!!!! :shock: defense attorney just asked the judge if she was going to testity. :girl_haha:

[kindee]

OMG! He just asked the Judge if she was going to testify! CONTEMPT on this fool, Judge.




He's about the worst little snot of an atty. I've ever seen. I don't think there is any love lost between him and this judge. I hope she slaps him silly.

[KellBell]

Thanks Kell :zm10:

No problem!

This attorney is going to be even more entertaining than Albee.

[TigressPen]

WHOA!!!! :shock: defense attorney just asked the judge if she was going to testity. :girl_haha:



If I was her, I'd hold him in contempt.

[Cornblossom]

Clean Up in Aisle 10

[sciencegirl]

So; let me ask this stupid question. This kid on the stand pled to 2nd degree murder; because???? He witnessed the whole thing and helped dispose of the body?? Or he didn't tell anyone that it was going to happene??

[kindee]

You know who this Little Defendant reminds me of? Shawna Nelson---both have practiced their "poor me" expressions and hope the jury buys it.

[Try2Win]

this defense lawyer might be turning off the jurors.

tigers are gonna win tonight. jmo

[Cornblossom]

So; let me ask this stupid question. This kid on the stand pled to 2nd degree murder; because???? He witnessed the whole thing and helped dispose of the body?? Or he didn't tell anyone that it was going to happene??
all the above

[SummerMadness]

Is anybody else streaming this trial live or just CNN?

[sciencegirl]

all the above

Okie dokie - I'm thinkinig that this kid is the son of the defense attorney. They are both arrogant little skunks.

[andersson33]

This kid is talking his way OUT of his plea deal.
And that's fine with me.

[StoneFox]

If I was her, I'd hold him in contempt.

I am surprised she hasn't yet. Maybe she doesn't want to cause a problem with the trial moving forward. It's almost like this attorney wants her to hold him in contempt.

[KellBell]

How in the world is the kid supposed to know all the ins and outs of the law

[sciencegirl]

Is anybody else streaming this trial live or just CNN?

clickondetroit was supposed to carry it; but I don't think they did. You might want to check that.

[kindee]

OMG did you see the atty. roll his eyes and shake his head at the judge? Really, I hope she holds him in contempt. He's a d*ckweed. And I don't mean duck.

[Cornblossom]

Is anybody else streaming this trial live or just CNN?http://www.clickondetroit.com/index.html

[StoneFox]

This kid is talking his way OUT of his plea deal.
And that's fine with me.

Me too! :howdy:

[IfIMay]

http://mfile.akamai.com/12942/live/reflector:38614.asx

This is a view of the attorney and gallery.

[bambam]

oh lawsy this judge has had it with this guy!! i got a phonecall and haven't left yet and was listening... lol but i'm gone now!

[Xmygrits]

OMG did you see the atty. roll his eyes and shake his head at the judge? Really, I hope she holds him in contempt. He's a d*ckweed. And I don't mean duck.

What is a dockweed then?

[SummerMadness]

clickondetroit was supposed to carry it; but I don't think they did. You might want to check that.

Thanks SG. I just can't get cnn to work all of a sudden, and I am mad as he!!.

[Cornblossom]

Okie dokie - I'm thinkinig that this kid is the son of the defense attorney. They are both arrogant little skunks.
I have never seen the like in all my born days!

[TigressPen]

this defense lawyer might be turning off the jurors.

tigers are gonna win tonight. jmo



I know he is defending his client and as much as that client makes me ill, I understand his attack mode. But, he is arguing unreasonably with the Judge and being disrespectful of her. If I were a juror, it would turn me off.

[KellBell]

So; let me ask this stupid question. This kid on the stand pled to 2nd degree murder; because???? He witnessed the whole thing and helped dispose of the body?? Or he didn't tell anyone that it was going to happene??

Yeah, I am kind of scratching my head about that too. I know he was wrong for not doing so many things in relation to this but did he really need to plea to second degree? IMO he made a bad deal. He did wrong but I don't know that I would call it second degree.

[IfIMay]

Thanks SG. I just can't get cnn to work all of a sudden, and I am mad as he!!.


http://mfile.akamai.com/12942/live/reflector:38614.asx

[Cornblossom]

What is a dockweed then?cousin to "richard"weed LMAO

[kindee]

http://mfile.akamai.com/12942/live/reflector:38614.asx

This is a view of the attorney and gallery.





Thanks Iffy, I just went and got your link but you beat me to it. I like this feed and picture.

[andersson33]

This "kid's" eyes are laughing.
He thinks he's better than the system.

[StoneFox]

Oops~judge is going to start throwing things at the def attorney.

[Cornblossom]

I know he is defending his client and as much as that client makes me ill, I understand his attack mode. But, he is arguing unreasonably with the Judge and being disrespectful of her. If I were a juror, it would turn me off.
he's sounding illiterate

[IfIMay]

here comes the smackdown!

[Xmygrits]

cousin to "richard"weed LMAO

Rickweed??? sorry sorry sorry...I think I get it! :innocent1:

[kindee]

OHHHHH smackdown!!!! You go judge!!! Whack the little clown upside his head!

GO GO GO GO GO!

[Xmygrits]

OMG, she is gonna kick is ass!

[Try2Win]

kick his ass to 8 mile road judge

[PatC]

Oops~judge is going to start throwing things at the def attorney.

Darn it..... I lost track of the smack downs but looks like this is going to be a doozy.

[SummerMadness]

http://mfile.akamai.com/12942/live/reflector:38614.asx

This is a view of the attorney and gallery.

I finally got audio. THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

[StoneFox]

LOLOLOL~~~get ready~here it comes~she's going to lay into him big time.

[mitch]

oh watch out now u idiot cda

[sciencegirl]

OH my...here comes the Judge :basic44:

[bambam]

omg!!! do NOT mess with this PMSing judge!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!

[kindee]

I have never seen the like in all my born days!




I guess this dockweed has gotten away with being a snotty azzed bully before.

[TigressPen]

You go, Judge!!!

[sciencegirl]

You go, Judge!!!

:zm10:

[kindee]

Darn it..... I lost track of the smack downs but looks like this is going to be a doozy.




Now he's interrupting her and accusing her of "Walking all over" him.

Where's Fred's whip when we need it???? :francis:

whoa she's gonna blow!

[SummerMadness]

SMACKDOWN!! Love this judge:zm10

Does this attorney know his little psychopath is going down?

[kindee]

OH my...here comes the Judge :basic44:



Here come da judge!
Here come da judge!

Order in the courtroom,
Here come da judge!

Any other old beatniks remember LaffIn? :basic44:

[sciencegirl]

Now he's interrupting her and accusing her of "Walking all over" him.

Where's Fred's whip when we need it???? :francis:

whoa she's gonna blow!

Don't ya just love this when the judges get pizzed. Make the entire trial worthwhile :basic44:

[TigressPen]

:zm10:



All plea deals go with perjury if they don't tell the truth on stand!!! Get with it Mr. Thomas. Charge him Judge!!!

[kindee]

SMACKDOWN!! Love this judge:zm10

Does this attorney know his little psychopath is going down?




Obviously he does. This is all just smoke, mirrors and raging bullChit.

[SummerMadness]

Here come da judge!
Here come da judge!

Order in the courtroom,
Here come da judge!

Any other old beatniks remember LaffIn? :basic44:


Is the judge an older lady? I can't see her face.

[Xmygrits]

Now he's interrupting her and accusing her of "Walking all over" him.

Where's Fred's whip when we need it???? :francis:

whoa she's gonna blow!

He thinks he can get away with walking on this female judge and he is probably loving her gettting so upset and in HIS little pea brain, he is telling himself, "that is why woman don't make good judges".


*Fred hands the judge her whip*

[sciencegirl]

This judge reminds me of a movie actress. I can't think of her name; but I can see her in this movie; where she was an business woman with a small boy and she meets a guy with a small girl...

[kindee]

Don't ya just love this when the judges get pizzed. Make the entire trial worthwhile :basic44:




I've never seen any atty. deserve to be :71541: more than this little bozo.

My theory is that defendants and atty's are matched in he!!.

This supports my theory. :francis:

[Cornblossom]

Hi Ho Hi Ho it's off to jail I go LMAO

[lovelaw]

Obviously he does. This is all just smoke, mirrors and raging bullChit.

You can say that again!!

I got called away................and I am AGAIN!!

BBL!~:0012:

[Xmygrits]

Is the judge an older lady? I can't see her face.

If I were to give a good guess to her age, I'd say 45-47 and a good lookin 45-47 at that!

[kindee]

He thinks he can get away with walking on this female judge and he is probably loving her gettting so upset and in HIS little pea brain, he is telling himself, "that is why woman don't make good judges".


*Fred hands the judge her whip*




Now THAT would be hilarious, really! And I can see her doing it.

Whip 'im judge!!!!!

[Cornblossom]

SMACKDOWN!! Love this judge:zm10

Does this attorney know his little psychopath is going down?
I thinks he's going with him LMAO

[kindee]

Is the judge an older lady? I can't see her face.




Maybe 48-50. But he has no respect for her, that much is clear.

Who here thinks he just helped his sick little psycho of a client?

I'D LIKE A SHOW OF HANDS, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[KellBell]

This judge reminds me of a movie actress. I can't think of her name; but I can see her in this movie; where she was an business woman with a small boy and she meets a guy with a small girl...

and he forces her to relax and enjoy herself? I can picture them in the back of a taxi or car... Is that the one?

[Cornblossom]

If I were to give a good guess to her age, I'd say 45-47 and a good lookin 45-47 at that!
the huzzy LMAO

[Xmygrits]

LOL, she called his blubber CARP!!! ha ha ha!

[StoneFox]

:bump: :hifive: :howdy: GO JUDGE!!!

[TigressPen]

Obviously he does. This is all just smoke, mirrors and raging bullChit.



I bet the jury sneak a peek to see if Mr. Thomas is still standing when they came back. lol

[sciencegirl]

After all that; one stinkin question and we're done for the day.

[Xmygrits]

Ha, if looks could kill, he'd be dead on the floor!

"Anything further Counsel?"

[StoneFox]

He rattled her cage.

[Xmygrits]

Dang! That was the best darn smack down I've seen yet! And howz come we can't have the flag birdy in focus?

[kindee]

I bet the jury sneak a peek to see if Mr. Thomas is still standing when they came back. lol



And I bet they could hear the slapdown from the jury room!

AND I bet they were all :hifive: each other :francis:

[Try2Win]

Is the judge an older lady? I can't see her face.

i am guessing 45 - 50 tops

[browneyes]

Oh my goodness, what was the judge so mad about? My Mom called and I had to turn the volume down. :z0tdntknw:

[Cornblossom]

He rattled her cage.
he may have rattled her cage but she spanked his monkey LMAO

[kindee]

OMG, Mr. Thomas the defense atty is giving the looks to the jury!!!!!!!!!!
Judge is calling him on it. D*ckweed Indeed!

[PatC]

Ha, if looks could kill, he'd be dead on the floor!

"Anything further Counsel?"

I think if you looked closely there for a moment whil the jury was out you could see smoke coming from the judges ears.


http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/PatC_pics/smilies/judge_pounding.gif

[Xmygrits]

he may have rattled her cage but she spanked his monkey LMAO

Booh yeah! :hifive:

[kindee]

he may have rattled her cage but she spanked his monkey LMAO



:67302:

yes she did.

Can you believe him giving the jurors the fish eye? What a maroooon!

[sciencegirl]

OMG, Mr. Thomas the defense atty is giving the looks to the jury!!!!!!!!!!
Judge is calling him on it. D*ckweed Indeed!

I wondered what happened. I walked out in the kitchen and I missed what they were saying.

[PatC]

Oh my goodness, what was the judge so mad about? My Mom called and I had to turn the volume down. :z0tdntknw:


He basically kept ignoring her rulings!

[mitch]

i've been waiting to tell ya all what i saw last night.

In the senator's questioning of general petraeus there was a man sitting right in front of the senators doing the questioning and he was using that little talk box that this court reporter is using. it flashed so quick i had to rewind and slo mo it, but sure enough it was exactly like the one this guy is using. i have never seen it before.

[Xmygrits]

Welp, court is adjourned for the day, just in time for me to ride my pony home.

See ya'z in the morn!

[Try2Win]

They look so loving and supportive of each other. I pray their marriage stays strong. :innocent0001:

[Cornblossom]

:67302:

yes she did.

Can you believe him giving the jurors the fish eye? What a maroooon!

you can't make this stuff up LMAO

[mitch]

he may have rattled her cage but she spanked his monkey LMAO
:67302::67302:

[Try2Win]

he may have rattled her cage but she spanked his monkey LMAO

i think it is miller time, but i quit drinking.

i would like to buy that judge a six pack. :zm10:

[kindee]

I wondered what happened. I walked out in the kitchen and I missed what they were saying.




I bet he gave the old evil eye to the woman who was so upset by the gruesome testimony earlier today.

[sciencegirl]

See ya all tomorrow my good friends :love0085: :happy0207:

[PatC]

They look so loving and supportive of each other. I pray their marriage stays strong. :innocent0001:

I do too, but I know the statistics for couples who lose a child is not good. Of course, their "child" was 26 at the time and I think that makes a difference.

I'd really love to know the 'back story' about the victim. This is where I really miss CTV and their coverage. Apparently the victim had turned into something of a minor hoodlum, but did he slid into that partly because of the black cloud over his head because at 17 he had a 14 YO girlfriend? or was he already on the way back then? Know what I mean?

[kindee]

you can't make this stuff up LMAO


I can't believe this joker is in practice. He CAN'T have gotten away with acting like a 4 year old brat in front of any other judges!

[sciencegirl]

I bet he gave the old evil eye to the woman who was so upset by the gruesome testimony earlier today.

He's right up there with Albee, isn't he??

[kindee]

See ya all tomorrow my good friends :love0085: :happy0207:




Off to do way too much laundry, SG? Hint: put a lot of wet towels and jeans in the washer. HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[kindee]

He's right up there with Albee, isn't he??




Oh my yes. It's like a Bad Breed.


And later, taters. Hasta man~ana!

[sciencegirl]

I do too, but I know the statistics for couples who lose a child is not good. Of course, their "child" was 26 at the time and I think that makes a difference.

I'd really love to know the 'back story' about the victim. This is where I really miss CTV and their coverage. Apparently the victim had turned into something of a minor hoodlum, but did he slid into that partly because of the black cloud over his head because at 17 he had a 14 YO girlfriend? or was he already on the way back then? Know what I mean?

Something was out of whack, IMO. I mean what is a 26 year old doing hanging around 17 year olds?

[gramvof14]

Here you go Judge you will need this tomorrow.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/whip.jpg

[sciencegirl]

Off to do way too much laundry, SG? Hint: put a lot of wet towels and jeans in the washer. HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

:67302: Think I'll use a whole box of detergent. I love bubbles....and they will be everywhere. :basic44:

[kindee]

Gram, I LOVE it! I want me one of those whip thingies.

[kindee]

:67302: Think I'll use a whole box of detergent. I love bubbles....and they will be everywhere. :basic44:




:zm10:

[gramvof14]

See ya all tomorrow my good friends :love0085: :happy0207:
Have a good night SG and anyone else that is leaving:happy0207:

[gramvof14]

Gram, I LOVE it! I want me one of those whip thingies.
I was on the phone and trying to hear at the same time and I sure think the judge will need it for that lawyer tomorrow.:francis::basic44:

[Cornblossom]

:0012:

[PatC]

Here you go Judge you will need this tomorrow.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/gramvof14/whip.jpg

Oh, good one gram.
:girl_haha:

[PatC]

Gram, I LOVE it! I want me one of those whip thingies.


Kindee---- I thought you held the patent.




:kidding-01:

[PatC]

You know, as much as I deplore what he did, I still think that last witness did a good job of keeping his composure on the witness stand, even under a pretty rigorous cross examination.

See y'all tomorrow.

[gramvof14]

Oh, good one gram.
:girl_haha:
I will save it for tomorrow she will need it. haha:basic44:

[SummerMadness]

You know, as much as I deplore what he did, I still think that last witness did a good job of keeping his composure on the witness stand, even under a pretty rigorous cross examination.

See y'all tomorrow.

Is the cross done, or is there more tomorrow?

[kindee]

Kindee---- I thought you held the patent.




:kidding-01:



hey I heard that! :girl_haha:

[PatC]

Is the cross done, or is there more tomorrow?

It's over. The judge released him before she adjourned for the day.

[Baranis]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/stadium.weblogsinc.com/tmz/tmz_soundstream_LA_mute.swf

TMZ live feed of Za Za's husband assault charge. He struck a photog.

Sorry, off topic..

[PatC]

hey I heard that! :girl_haha:

:022:<--<:022:<--<:022:

[andersson33]

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/15813723/detail.html

If you want to read about what you heard today. :girl_sad:

See you tomorrow a.m. for more horrific happenings in the twisted world of the "Boys" from River Rouge.

http://bestsmileys.com/sad/6.gif

[PatC]

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/category/trials/

Jean Casarez has an on line blog too. "I visited these three crime scenes with forensic pathologist Dr. Daniel Spitz. Stay tuned for his analysis of the crime, which may include issues not raised in court."

[Cat]

Hi Pat,
OMG, not Spitz.................eww, I remember him from Spector.

[IfIMay]

That was Werner, Cat. This is Daniel. Wasn't he the worst? Well, him and Baden and DeMaio.

[Cat]

That was Werner, Cat. This is Daniel. Wasn't he the worst? Well, him and Baden and DeMaio.

Oh, thanks for correcting me, Iffy. Duh. Yep, Werner was the worst, along with Baden and DeMaio.

[PatC]

I'd like to see some one hire Kathy Reichs again.... like in the Father Robinson trial.

Sad to say, but after Spector, I've lost all credibility in Henry Lee.

[SLSmith]

Good a.m.

For anyone that is interested, posted Alex Letkemann's testimony from around 2:00 pm forward on YoutTube/RealityCanbeEvil.

best to all.

[Try2Win]

Good a.m.

For anyone that is interested, posted Alex Letkemann's testimony from around 2:00 pm forward on YoutTube/RealityCanbeEvil.

best to all.

Good Morning :mornincoffee:

I always watch channel 4 (clickondetroit.com) on tv in the morning (I love Guy Gordon) and they said more than once they will be covering the trial on live stream. I have been watching the trial on cnn.com

Also, they say that Alex is still on the stand, I thought they were done with him? I guess I am confused. He held up fairly well yesterday. I can't stand that defense lawyer, he looks familiar to me.

Seeing the victim's parents in the courtroom crying must be hard on the jury. I know it would be hard for me to be a juror in this trial. JMO

[Try2Win]

this defense lawyer might be turning off the jurors.

tigers are gonna win tonight. jmo


Detroit Tigers 7
Boston Red Socks 2

Go Tigers !!!!

Whose your Tiger? Mine is Magglio Ordonez. What a cutie:

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn295/SKB131/magglio.jpg

[Try2Win]

It's over. The judge released him before she adjourned for the day.

that is what i am confused about. on the local news they are saying that alex will be back on the stand today. prosecution has not rested yet, so i am very curious for what is instore for today.

[Try2Win]

Hi Pat,
OMG, not Spitz.................eww, I remember him from Spector.

This Spitz that Jean is talking about is the son. He is the pathologist for either Macomb or Oakland County. His father Werner Spitz was pathologist for Wayne County for many many years but is now retired. I think I got that right but going to google now to see.

Here I just googled Werner:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=werner+spitz

And now Daniel:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=daniel+spitz+pathologist&spell=1

[carnnell]

:mornincoffee::mornincoffee:

Fresh coffee for one and all as well as refills for the early birds

Good morning good people!!!

Well yesterday was powerful, tense and boiling. I thought Alex did well testifying both on direct and on cross. Many thought he had a dissociative affect, I disagree. I thought Alex had a control affect for the sake of testifying. He held his breath several times indicating he was reacting to what he had to tell the jury and everyone else. During the crime, he testified he did not handle what JP did very well. He testified he went to the police to tell them what happen.

What was telling to me what JP's eyes. Prior to Alex's testimony, I noticed a differential between the brown in his Iris and the black of his Iris. Yet, when Alex testified JP's eyes went black with his Iris' and pupil not differentiating. JP's eyebrows extended over his eyes too. What does this mean? IMO, the black eyes represented deadness, his dark shadow, nothing there, etc. During my professional experience working in prisons, I have seen this same eye characteristic in inmates with severe personality disorder.

When I watched the defense attorney attempt to pull different manipulation out of desperation reminds of the attorneys in the Spector Trial. Can you imagine this great Judge presiding in that trial? oh lordy mercy. That would have been something.

As always both my professional opinion and personal opinion

:1222423: Daniel and his family :1222423:

[TigressPen]

that is what i am confused about. on the local news they are saying that alex will be back on the stand today. prosecution has not rested yet, so i am very curious for what is instore for today.



I don't think I can take much more of AL. His testimony and how he showed no emotion, no obvious remorse for his 'friend's' death and stared at Pros's every move made me feel really queasy. That was hard to listen too. I wonder if I'd make it through JP's testimony (if he testifies) without :puke:

[lost indie]

I don't think I can take much more of AL. His testimony and how he showed no emotion, no obvious remorse for his 'friend's' death and stared at Pros's every move made me feel really queasy. That was hard to listen too. I wonder if I'd make it through JP's testimony (if he testifies) without :puke:

Hiya...

:basic45:

I had to miss the end of yesterday. How did they get caught? Did Alex turn himself in?

[lost indie]

I don't think I can take much more of AL. His testimony and how he showed no emotion, no obvious remorse for his 'friend's' death and stared at Pros's every move made me feel really queasy. That was hard to listen too. I wonder if I'd make it through JP's testimony (if he testifies) without :puke:

As jaded as I am after watching all these trials...I was totally sickened by Alex. Even the guy who hacked up that girl in the bathtub didn't affect me like this.

[TigressPen]

:mornincoffee::mornincoffee:

Fresh coffee for one and all as well as refills for the early birds

Good morning good people!!!

Well yesterday was powerful, tense and boiling. I thought Alex did well testifying both on direct and on cross. Many thought he had a dissociative affect, I disagree. I thought Alex had a control affect for the sake of testifying. He held his breath several times indicating he was reacting to what he had to tell the jury and everyone else. During the crime, he testified he did not handle what JP did very well. He testified he went to the police to tell them what happen.

What was telling to me what JP's eyes. Prior to Alex's testimony, I noticed a differential between the brown in his Iris and the black of his Iris. Yet, when Alex testified JP's eyes went black with his Iris' and pupil not differentiating. JP's eyebrows extended over his eyes too. What does this mean? IMO, the black eyes represented deadness, his dark shadow, nothing there, etc. During my professional experience working in prisons, I have seen this same eye characteristic in inmates with severe personality disorder.

When I watched the defense attorney attempt to pull different manipulation out of desperation reminds of the attorneys in the Spector Trial. Can you imagine this great Judge presiding in that trial? oh lordy mercy. That would have been something.

As always both my professional opinion and personal opinion

:1222423: Daniel and his family :1222423:



Excellent summation, Carnell!! I'd felt the holding of breath was a short pause to 'remember' which version he'd told to get that plea deal. Seriously, I did. And it was fear of being charged with perjury and losing the 20 to 30 year compared to life without parole. I noticed the eyes had no real emotion in them, his voice tone showed no remorse for his actions, or for the death of DS. Actually, I haven't seen sorrow from any of these witnesses that JP is dead.

I was wondering why his forehead never really showed frowns when his replies to a few questions had a slight questioning tone, like he wasn't sure he completely understood the question.

You gave me something to think about. I'll watch the eyes more closely when court resumes.

[sciencegirl]

Morning peeps :basic44:

I have never seen so much rain in my entire life. We have 3 inches so far and it will be raining the rest of the day. OMG!!!!

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n31/dibbera/Smileys/rain-18.gif

[TigressPen]

Morning peeps :basic44:

I have never seen so much rain in my entire life. We have 3 inches so far and it will be raining the rest of the day. OMG!!!!

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n31/dibbera/Smileys/rain-18.gif


:mornincoffee:Yep. Rain headed through Ark., La., Missouri, and parts of TN. :(

[sciencegirl]

:mornincoffee:Yep. Rain headed through Ark., La., Missouri, and parts of TN. :(

We're supposed to have golf ball size hail late this morning or early afternoon.

:shock:

[TigressPen]

As jaded as I am after watching all these trials...I was totally sickened by Alex. Even the guy who hacked up that girl in the bathtub didn't affect me like this.



I think I remember the one you are talking about, I think. He went and bought a saw and was seen on store tape, told the cashier he needed it to cut up a turkey? And then went to Mexico with his girlfriend. They left her in the bathtub?

[TigressPen]

We're supposed to have golf ball size hail late this morning or early afternoon.

:shock:



Stay safe, SG. I hope Kindee is safe today also. This line of storrms is suppose to stay around through today and tomorrow.

[lovelaw]

We're supposed to have golf ball size hail late this morning or early afternoon.

:shock:

:shock::francis:TAKE CARE!!



BRB!~:0012:

[TigressPen]

Hiya...

:basic45:

I had to miss the end of yesterday. How did they get caught? Did Alex turn himself in?



He knew his goose was a goner. I think he went back later after the initial interview and still told partial truths. He will be sentenced the 23rd of this month, signed a plea deal last week.

What really gets me is these kids, including Alex Mullins, who volunteered to help JP doesn't appear to have thought they'd be in just as much trouble as JP was, regardless who actually did the murder.

[sciencegirl]

Stay safe, SG. I hope Kindee is safe today also. This line of storrms is suppose to stay around through today and tomorrow.

Oh thanks; I will :71526:

[sciencegirl]

OH my....Kindee is under a tornado warning right now. They are covering it on Fox News. 70 mph winds.

For Kindee:love0085::innocent0001:

[IfIMay]

This Spitz that Jean is talking about is the son. He is the pathologist for either Macomb or Oakland County. His father Werner Spitz was pathologist for Wayne County for many many years but is now retired. I think I got that right but going to google now to see.

Here I just googled Werner:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=werner+spitz

And now Daniel:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=daniel+spitz+pathologist&spell=1

iirc, Son totally disagreed with Pops in Spector. That would have been an interesting Thanksgiving dinner. Pops using the turkey as an example of shooting in the head..

What time does this trial start? I can never remember what time zone MI is in.

[lost indie]

I think I remember the one you are talking about, I think. He went and bought a saw and was seen on store tape, told the cashier he needed it to cut up a turkey? And then went to Mexico with his girlfriend. They left her in the bathtub?

Yep...that was the one. We actually saw the head and hands in a sack...

:(

[carnnell]

iirc, Son totally disagreed with Pops in Spector. That would have been an interesting Thanksgiving dinner. Pops using the turkey as an example of shooting in the head..

What time does this trial start? I can never remember what time zone MI is in.

Michigan is EDT

I don't know what time the trial is to begin though.

[IfIMay]

OH my....Kindee is under a tornado warning right now. They are covering it on Fox News. 70 mph winds.

For Kindee:love0085::innocent0001:

You guys be careful! You've had more than your share of this awful weather. And here we sit over in Atlanta in the middle of a bad drought. One lake (to the west) is back at normal pool, but Lanier (where we get our drinking water) is still well below summer full.

:innocent0001: for you guys.

[sciencegirl]

Does anyone have a live feed link yet? TTV is covering OJ???:faintTHUD:

[IfIMay]

Michigan is EDT

I don't know what time the trial is to begin though.

Thanks! for some reason, I always want to put it in Central time. :doh:

[sciencegirl]

Michigan is EDT

I don't know what time the trial is to begin though.

It usually starts at 8:00 central time.

[gramvof14]

Morning all:mornincoffee:I hope SG,Kindee,BAM and anyone else that is in the path of those storms stay safe.:love0085:Is AL going to be back on the stand today?? And That defense lawyer drives me crazy.:71541::doh:

[Try2Win]

did the mod say yesterday that we can do daily threads for this trial, regardless of number of posts?

[sciencegirl]

Morning all:mornincoffee:I hope SG,Kindee,BAM and anyone else that is in the path of those storms stay safe.:love0085:Is AL going to be back on the stand today?? And That defense lawyer drives me crazy.:71541::doh:

No; he was excused yesterday. Not sure who is up next.

Why oh why is TTV covering OJ? :nonono:

[sciencegirl]

did the mod say yesterday that we can do daily threads for this trial, regardless of number of posts?

No; we need to get to 800 posts before we start a new thread.

[TigressPen]

Yep...that was the one. We actually saw the head and hands in a sack...

:(


Yeah, and I went OMG! That was one strange young man and I remember the father didn't impress me either, he was a hard one. Arrogance.

[Try2Win]

No; we need to get to 800 posts before we start a new thread.

ok

i see this thread was retitled appropriately to display today's date also.

all is good. :)

[TigressPen]

Morning all:mornincoffee:I hope SG,Kindee,BAM and anyone else that is in the path of those storms stay safe.:love0085:Is AL going to be back on the stand today?? And That defense lawyer drives me crazy.:71541::doh:



I think Thomas went a little overboard with how he argued with the Judge in jury presence. I understand he is trying to get everything he can on record for down the road appeals, and applaud him for that, but he really struck my anger side yesterday.

[TigressPen]

CNN needs to take one of these 'briefing' links and give us a view inside courtroom!!

[bambam]

OH my....Kindee is under a tornado warning right now. They are covering it on Fox News. 70 mph winds.

For Kindee:love0085::innocent0001:

:mornincoffee: mornin' peeps! tornados headed our way too.... i'm in little rock. there were warnings all over the eastern central and northern central state..... now they are saying we will be hit later today... (i'm central) sooooo... guess we will be heading to the storm cellar later, aarrggh!
i just cancelled my appt for today. i'm gonna stay on here for as long as i can tho!! :grin:

[sciencegirl]

:mornincoffee: mornin' peeps! tornados headed our way too.... i'm in little rock. there were warnings all over the eastern central and northern central state..... now they are saying we will be hit later today... (i'm central) sooooo... guess we will be heading to the storm cellar later, aarrggh!
i just cancelled my appt for today. i'm gonna stay on here for as long as i can tho!! :grin:

:love0085: Bam :love0085:

[TigressPen]

:mornincoffee: mornin' peeps! tornados headed our way too.... i'm in little rock. there were warnings all over the eastern central and northern central state..... now they are saying we will be hit later today... (i'm central) sooooo... guess we will be heading to the storm cellar later, aarrggh!
i just cancelled my appt for today. i'm gonna stay on here for as long as i can tho!! :grin:



Stay safe, Bam, it appears the season has hit with force this year. :(

[bambam]

Stay safe, Bam, it appears the season has hit with force this year. :(

yep. i just hope hurricane season doesn't hit hard too.... since i go back and forth from here to the gulf coast... where both my sons are now.... :(

[dojewo]

Morning all, those nasty storms are still hanging around for some of us, I hope everyone stays safe. We are suppose to get rain this morning and then possibly snow on Saturday. I thought we were done with that!

So is anyone live yet?

[mitch]

No; we need to get to 800 posts before we start a new thread.


good morning SG are you in the path of the storms too? sure hope you bam kindee et al are safe.

i think ttv would cover it if OJ farts wrong. i don't mind if they have a trial about it but last time there was just a hearing they started on it the day before and milked it until the day after. if they bypass this trial in MI for a stupit hearing i will be pissed. does somebody have the click on detroit link?

[PatC]

Hi everybody. I just went back and caught up reading. I hope everybody stays safe from the weather. So far we're just dreary, but they're forecasting T-storms.

I agree with Carnnell's reaction to Alex yesterday. I didn't at all feel he had a flat affect. I just thought he was working hard at holding it together and making sure he did what the pros. and his atty. undoubtedly told him to do which was answer the questions... don't let anyone make you angry... don't volunteer info... wait for the attys to ask for more info if they want it... etc., etc., etc.

I can't believe TTV is showing OJ! :duh:

[StoneFox]

Good Morning :mornincoffee:

a cold, gray, cloudy, snowy day here in colorado. :girl_sad:

[PatC]

Do we have a live feed anywhere?

[Try2Win]

ttv is now covering michigan trail. no live links yet.

[Try2Win]

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4

keep trying

i see courtroom

[mollybrown]

Morning Chickies,

:0012: Cool this morning in Door County. Looking for snow mixed with rain today. I wasn't able to watch much of yesterday but reading back it sounds like it was a very emotional day. Looks like TTV is covering the trial right now. Hoping it rains so I don't have to go to work and turn over those flower beds LOL I'll hang here as long as I can. :hifive:

[carnnell]

iirc, Son totally disagreed with Pops in Spector. That would have been an interesting Thanksgiving dinner. Pops using the turkey as an example of shooting in the head..

What time does this trial start? I can never remember what time zone MI is in.

Michigan EDT

[dojewo]

ttv is now covering michigan trail. no live links yet.
Wouldn't you know if DH is watching Monk

[lost indie]

We have live feed...

[TigressPen]

Link on CNN

[Try2Win]

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4

keep trying

i see courtroom

bump

[sciencegirl]

Do we have a live feed anywhere?

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4

[StoneFox]

another juror working with a defendant's relative.

[mollybrown]

One juror works with someone who is related to the defendent.

[TigressPen]

Here we go again. Juror stuff

[mitch]

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4

keep trying

i see courtroom

i just saw the camera move on the eagle, so we know at least they have a stream designated for the trial.

[StoneFox]

:girl_sad: I can't hear what the juror is saying.

[mitch]

:girl_sad: I can't hear what the juror is saying.

i htink they weere just hearing it from jean on ttv no live feed yet.

[gramvof14]

:girl_sad: I can't hear what the juror is saying.
Jean just said we are not allowed to hear what they are saying.:shock:

[sciencegirl]

i htink they weere just hearing it from jean on ttv no live feed yet.

We have live feed mitch

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4

[sciencegirl]

Jean just said we are not allowed to hear what they are saying.:shock:

Whut??? I was just listening to the entire thing on the live feed.

[PatC]

Jean just told Lisa Bloom that right now they're talking to a juror who had to report that when s/he went to work last night s/he found out that someone at work is related to the defendant. They're having to question the juror now to make sure s/he can be impartial I guess.

Jean mentioned her surprise that there are only two alternates. She said she'd have expected more on a hi-profile case like this.

[TigressPen]

I am not sure I feel comfortable with this juror staying and possible being a delib juror

[mitch]

We have live feed mitch

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4

thanks sg, i had my sound turned down. does everybody still just have pic of the eagle?

[Xmygrits]

Mornin Folks!

I am listening to the questioning of the juror by the judge on CNN.live. I cannot believe this juror didn't come forward in the beginning.

"He can't be impartial" per the juroro. He is being dismisssed for cause.

[sciencegirl]

I am not sure I feel comfortable with this juror staying and possible being a delib juror

I agree TP. I wouldn't want him to stay on.

He's just been dismissed. :shock:

[Try2Win]

as should be. jmo

[IfIMay]

Juror dismissed for cause. He knows cousin of JP from school.

[mollybrown]

Juror dismissed for cause. One alternate left. :(

[sciencegirl]

thanks sg, i had my sound turned down. does everybody still just have pic of the eagle?

yup; got the eagle

[dojewo]

I am not sure I feel comfortable with this juror staying and possible being a delib jurorsound like they are dismissing the Juror

[bambam]

thanks sg, i had my sound turned down. does everybody still just have pic of the eagle?

that's all i have. but you can them talking.

[PatC]

Whut??? I was just listening to the entire thing on the live feed.

I guess they just dismissed one juror. Now there are only 13. I wonder if they know we can hear?

[gramvof14]

Whut??? I was just listening to the entire thing on the live feed.
Sorry SG I had my puter on mute DUH:doh:

[dojewo]

I guess they just dismissed one juror. Now there are only 13. I wonder if they know we can hear?

I'm glad we could hear it

[PatC]

I hope the echo effefct goes away when they go live.

[sciencegirl]

I guess they just dismissed one juror. Now there are only 13. I wonder if they know we can hear?

I don't know; but I heard every single word. Even heard his first name.

[lovelaw]

I guess they just dismissed one juror. Now there are only 13. I wonder if they know we can hear?



I hope we can get through the entire trial with only ONE alternate!~


:francis:

[mitch]

well i have to admit i wouldn't be disappointed if i got dismissed from the juror. i was questioning last night if i was going to continue even following this case.

something about kids just makes me uneasy.

[PatC]

I'm glad we could hear it

Anything really interesting other than the relationship to the defendant?

[StoneFox]

Jean just said we are not allowed to hear what they are saying.:shock:

rut-roh :waitasec:

[dojewo]

I hope the echo effefct goes away when they go live.
I don't have an echo Pat

[lost indie]

Sorry SG I had my puter on mute DUH:doh:

I do that ALL the time...

:francis:

[sciencegirl]

Sorry SG I had my puter on mute DUH:doh:

Someone said that Jean said we were not to hear any of this; and we did.:shock:

[TigressPen]

Mornin Folks!

I am listening to the questioning of the juror by the judge on CNN.live. I cannot believe this juror didn't come forward in the beginning.

"He can't be impartial" per the juroro. He is being dismisssed for cause.



At first she was going to keep him, she thought he implied he could be impartial. I was concerned.

[PatC]

Well we know now that Alex WAS finished yesterday.

[Try2Win]

see i knew alex was done.

[StoneFox]

:confused: so the juror was dismissed.

[TigressPen]

Someone said that Jean said we were not to hear any of this; and we did.:shock:


We heard the last juror questioning too. :shock:

[StoneFox]

is this another friend?

[Try2Win]

:confused: so the juror was dismissed.

yes

[bambam]

yup; got the eagle

SG, they just said we are going to prolly get golf ball OR soft ball size hail too!!!! :eek:

[PatC]

I don't have an echo Pat

:duh: I apparently had two windows open on top of each other. :faintTHUD:

[sciencegirl]

We heard the last juror questioning too. :shock:

Well see....that's what I remember also. And I couldn't understand why this would be any different.

[mitch]

try 2, are the neighborhoods that these kids live in are they good or bad do you know.

[sciencegirl]

:duh: I apparently had two windows open on top of each other. :faintTHUD:

:)

[PatC]

Second young man dressed up with a dark shirt and light colored tie. I like that look, but is it "in" now?

[StoneFox]

is there some significance to all these friends wearing black to court?

[bambam]

:duh: I apparently had two windows open on top of each other. :faintTHUD:

:67302: i did that the other day... i think i had THREE windows going... it was driving me nuts!! FINALLY i figured it out!! :francis:

[dojewo]

:duh: I apparently had two windows open on top of each other. :faintTHUD:I totally crashed yesterday when I did that. Computer totally froze up.

[carnnell]

This is the Sean where everyone hung out. I just love his "English" *whimper* I KNOW the suburbs have really great schools. uuuuuuug

[PatC]

Someone said that Jean said we were not to hear any of this; and we did.:shock:

Jean just said they had an open courtroom but TTV wasn't showing it cause it was the questioning of the juror.

[TigressPen]

Well see....that's what I remember also. And I couldn't understand why this would be any different.


maybe we weren't suppose to hear it either. we have in other trials too so I didn't think anything about it. LOL I am glad we got to hear it though. I am just shocked that all these people doesn't realize they work with, or a family member works with so and so connected to the trial.

[gramvof14]

Someone said that Jean said we were not to hear any of this; and we did.:shock:
That was me I just tivo it back to see what she said and she just said that they could not show it because it involved a juror. Me bad:71541:

[PatC]

maybe we weren't suppose to hear it either. we have in other trials too so I didn't think anything about it. LOL I am glad we got to hear it though. I am just shocked that all these people doesn't realize they work with, or a family member works with so and so connected to the trial.

I can't say it surprises me. I had no idea who most of my co-workers were related to back before I retired. We just didn't have that much time for personal conversation.

ETA: And if I'd been related to a person like this defendant I sure as h3ll wouldn't have been admitting it to ANYBODY!

[StoneFox]

maybe we weren't suppose to hear it either. we have in other trials too so I didn't think anything about it. LOL I am glad we got to hear it though. I am just shocked that all these people doesn't realize they work with, or a family member works with so and so connected to the trial.

That surprises me too TP! I would think the human resources would know these people are serving on a jury and know the case they are serving on. It would seem they might inform the person of possible conflicts. Maybe it is a huge company and that isn't possible. :z0tdntknw:

And if this person is unable to listen to the testimony without bias, then it sounds like this person has more than a working relationship.

[mollybrown]

I can either watch the live cnn feed and not post OR watch TTV and post. hmmmm :22wink:

[TigressPen]

is there some significance to all these friends wearing black to court?


I was thinking about that also. Maybe it is style there this winter and they haven't gotten their spring clothes out. Then again, maybe it's another reason. One I don't like thinking about because I think of Columbine and other schools. :a1chic:

[mitch]

i wonder why JP didn't like Dan. and i wonder how JP had the money to loan both dan and alex also owed him $100.

[PatC]

I can either watch the live cnn feed and not post OR watch TTV and post. hmmmm :22wink:

Decisions.... decisions....:waitasec:

[TigressPen]

I can either watch the live cnn feed and not post OR watch TTV and post. hmmmm :22wink:


Can you open 2 separate windows? One for this forum and another for CNN feed?

[PatC]

That surprises me too TP! I would think the human resources would know these people are serving on a jury and know the case they are serving on. It would seem they might inform the person of possible conflicts. Maybe it is a huge company and that isn't possible. :z0tdntknw:

And if this person is unable to listen to the testimony without bias, then it sounds like this person has more than a working relationship.

Was the juror a man or woman? Could it possibly be a good excuse to get out of having to hear more of this?

[mollybrown]

i wonder why JP didn't like Dan. and i wonder how JP had the money to loan both dan and alex also owed him $100.

I imagine that neither one of them will be paying him back any time soon. Bad plan there JP :grin:

[sciencegirl]

is there some significance to all these friends wearing black to court?

It's called "gangsta" or something like that; meaning gangster. Black shirt and white tie. My nieces use the word all the time; They say they're gangsta's; which they aren't.

[dojewo]

Was the juror a man or woman? Could it possibly be a good excuse to get out of having to hear more of this?
It sounded like a man

[Xmygrits]

maybe we weren't suppose to hear it either. we have in other trials too so I didn't think anything about it. LOL I am glad we got to hear it though. I am just shocked that all these people doesn't realize they work with, or a family member works with so and so connected to the trial.

Me too. I think they already knew they knew these people. I mean, come on! It was all over the news for how long? People were talking...they knew! Doesn't make sense to sit there with their mouth shut until now.

[mollybrown]

Was the juror a man or woman? Could it possibly be a good excuse to get out of having to hear more of this?

On the live feed it sounded like a man and he went to high school and worked with a man who is JP's cousin.

[Try2Win]

try 2, are the neighborhoods that these kids live in are they good or bad do you know.

middle class nice homes ranging from $150,000 - $250,000

livonia has superior schools than westland

canton has newer homes, some priced in the $300,000

i use to live in the subdivion where the murder happened. those homes range from $180,000 - $200,000

livonia cops are top notch

the part of westland that boarders livonia (where these kids went to school) is the west end and somewhat safer. there are other parts of westland that are not very well kept where houses range from $65,000 - $100,000

hope that helps.

[sciencegirl]

Was the juror a man or woman? Could it possibly be a good excuse to get out of having to hear more of this?

It was a man. He graduated high school in 1992.

[PatC]

I was thinking about that also. Maybe it is style there this winter and they haven't gotten their spring clothes out. Then again, maybe it's another reason. One I don't like thinking about because I think of Columbine and other schools. :a1chic:

I never thought about Columbine, just that I like the look. I remember buying my DH a dark shirt and beautiful bright pink tie to wear together.... but it was years ago and I still like the look, but I didn't know it was still around.

[TigressPen]

That surprises me too TP! I would think the human resources would know these people are serving on a jury and know the case they are serving on. It would seem they might inform the person of possible conflicts. Maybe it is a huge company and that isn't possible. :z0tdntknw:

And if this person is unable to listen to the testimony without bias, then it sounds like this person has more than a working relationship.


Yeah, he said he went to school with the relative if JPs (Mark?) and they were friends then but he didn't see him now. So where was the conflict, maybe Mark doesn't stand behind his relative so why couldn't he be able to look him in the eye. I'd have thought the Orlewizc name would've made the juror question whether there was a relationship when he discovered what trial he would be serving on.