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awakening2lite
04-16-2008, 02:33 PM
Wednesday, April 16, 2008

SALT LAKE CITY - While Texas officials are keeping quiet about what they seized from the Fundamentalist LDS Church's ranch, authorities and lawyers in Utah and Arizona are hoping it can reinvigorate their investigations into the polygamous sect.

"My personal hope is it will jump-start it," Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff told the Deseret Morning News. "But I don't know how long it will be before that information is shared with us."

The Utah Attorney General's Office has been conducting an organized-crime probe into FLDS leader Warren Jeffs and the church, but Shurtleff admits the investigation has stalled, mostly because authorities cannot get their hands on evidence.


Papers, computer equipment and other evidence seized when Jeffs was arrested in Nevada in 2006 is in the custody of the FBI. It is the subject of legal battles over whether some of it is "privileged communication" between the religious leader who was once on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list and his followers.

The FBI confirmed it served a federal search warrant on the YFZ Ranch April 8, but declined to comment on what was seized, saying it is part of a pending federal case.

"The application and affidavit in support of the search warrant are sealed and will remain sealed; no further comment will be made as this is a pending investigation," Richard Roper, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Texas, said in a statement Thursday.

Shurtleff said he has been told authorities in Texas seized "lots of records, hard drives and computer records" from the temple on the YFZ Ranch.

A judge in Texas will likely have to decide to what extent - if any - the evidence is protected by privilege.

Already, lawyers for the court-controlled United Effort Plan Trust want to see some of that evidence.

"We're taking steps to get those documents," said Jeffrey L. Shields, a lawyer for the UEP Trust. "It may not relate to the kids, but it may relate to the trust."

The UEP Trust was the financial arm of the FLDS Church until it was taken over by a judge in Salt Lake City's 3rd District Court in 2005 over allegations that Jeffs and other FLDS leaders mismanaged it. Shields said the former trustees for the UEP have not given them a single piece of paper about how the trust was managed. The court-appointed accountant now in charge of the UEP Trust also has an $8.8 million judgment against Jeffs and the FLDS Church.

"We have a judgment against the church. It may relate to some of the assets there," Shields said Thursday.

Lawyers for former members of the FLDS Church who are suing Jeffs and the church also wouldn't mind seeing what was seized.

"The whole thing is of interest to us," said Greg Hoole. "Whether or not it's something we're going to be using in our litigation, we haven't made any decisions."

Hoole is also the attorney for Elissa Wall, who was Washington County's star witness in its case against Jeffs. The FLDS leader was convicted of performing a marriage between the then-14-year-old girl and her 19-year-old cousin. Wall has been in Texas meeting with prosecutors about their case.

In Arizona, Jeffs is facing charges of sexual conduct with a minor and incest, accusing him of performing more child-bride marriages. Mohave County Attorney Matt Smith expressed interest in what was seized.

"Until we actually are allowed to view any evidence found at the Texas ranch, I cannot tell you if it would help us in any of our pending cases," Smith said in an e-mail to the Deseret Morning News. "I am hopeful that it will be of utility to our cases."

Jeffs is currently in the Mohave County Jail in Kingman. If he is aware of the raid in Texas, authorities are not saying. The Mohave County Sheriff's Office would only say that during the hour each day that Jeffs is allowed out of his cell, he mostly uses the phone.

"Warren Jeffs is protected by the Fifth Amendment and his counsel and cannot be interviewed and will not be giving any statements to anyone," Smith said.

source: http://www.kingmandailyminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&subsectionID=1&articleID=15064

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This certainly expands the child sexual abuse probe in Texas!

Roamer
04-16-2008, 02:56 PM
You can pretty well bet Jeff's knows exactly what's going on in Texas, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's ordering some of it.

That's a very interesting article, A2L.

Walton
04-16-2008, 03:08 PM
Jeffs is currently in the Mohave County Jail in Kingman. If he is aware of the raid in Texas, authorities are not saying. The Mohave County Sheriff's Office would only say that during the hour each day that Jeffs is allowed out of his cell, he mostly uses the phone.

Very interesting indeed. Thanks awakening2lite. :1222423:

awakening2lite
04-16-2008, 03:19 PM
YW Roamer and Walton,

I think this case is much bigger than originally thought. It's going to be interesting to see it unfold!

I agree with you Roamer, Jeffs is likely controlling everything via phone.

Any ideas on the organized crime, Walton?

awakening2lite
04-16-2008, 03:28 PM
EXCERPT

The FBI confirmed it served a federal search warrant on the YFZ Ranch April 8, but declined to comment on what was seized, saying it is part of a pending federal case.

"The application and affidavit in support of the search warrant are sealed and will remain sealed; no further comment will be made as this is a pending investigation," Richard Roper, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Texas, said in a statement Thursday.

Shurtleff said he has been told authorities in Texas seized "lots of records, hard drives and computer records" from the temple on the YFZ Ranch.

A judge in Texas will likely have to decide to what extent - if any - the evidence is protected by privilege.

Already, lawyers for the court-controlled United Effort Plan Trust want to see some of that evidence.

"We're taking steps to get those documents," said Jeffrey L. Shields, a lawyer for the UEP Trust. "It may not relate to the kids, but it may relate to the trust."

source (OP)

Walton
04-16-2008, 03:47 PM
YW Roamer and Walton,

I think this case is much bigger than originally thought. It's going to be interesting to see it unfold!

I agree with you Roamer, Jeffs is likely controlling everything via phone.

Any ideas on the organized crime, Walton?

I knew it was big. I still know that this is far from being over.


There are a whole bunch of things that the Feds could charge Warren and crew with. When Warren got stopped in Nevada the things seized I thought might give them enough. They must have needed even more.

Warren had a list of "safe places" and names of people that were helping him while he was on the run. I kept saying those that were living in glass houses better start pulling the drapes cuz people were gonna start looking in. jmo

Check out this article written March 6th 07
http://www.mohavedailynews.com/articles/2008/03/08/news/opinion/opinion1.txt

I tried to find that only picture of Warren being escorted to court but can't seem to get it. It was listed on Brooke Adams blog dated the end of Feb. It could have been anyone, that is how much they tried to cover this guy up.

awakening2lite
04-16-2008, 03:59 PM
I knew it was big. I still know that this is far from being over.


There are a whole bunch of things that the Feds could charge Warren and crew with. When Warren got stopped in Nevada the things seized I thought might give them enough. They must have needed even more.

Warren had a list of "safe places" and names of people that were helping him while he was on the run. I kept saying those that were living in glass houses better start pulling the drapes cuz people were gonna start looking in. jmo

Check out this article written March 6th 07
http://www.mohavedailynews.com/articles/2008/03/08/news/opinion/opinion1.txt

I tried to find that only picture of Warren being escorted to court but can't seem to get it. It was listed on Brooke Adams blog dated the end of Feb. It could have been anyone, that is how much they tried to cover this guy up.

How all of this will relate to the Trust will be interesting, too.

EXCERPT

The UEP Trust was the financial arm of the FLDS Church until it was taken over by a judge in Salt Lake City's 3rd District Court in 2005 over allegations that Jeffs and other FLDS leaders mismanaged it. Shields said the former trustees for the UEP have not given them a single piece of paper about how the trust was managed. The court-appointed accountant now in charge of the UEP Trust also has an $8.8 million judgment against Jeffs and the FLDS Church.

"We have a judgment against the church. It may relate to some of the assets there," Shields said Thursday.

Lawyers for former members of the FLDS Church who are suing Jeffs and the church also wouldn't mind seeing what was seized.

source: (OP)

Walton
04-17-2008, 12:20 PM
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695271118,00.html

Here in Colorado, a number of homes have reportedly served as safe havens for Fundamentalist LDS Church leader Warren Jeffs when he was a fugitive on the FBI's Most Wanted list.

In a lawsuit, Jeffs' former courier Wendell Musser alleged that he acted as a caretaker for several of the FLDS leader's wives living in secret homes in the Colorado towns of Williamsburg, Florence and Westcliffe. (In 2005, Jeffs' brother Seth was arrested near Pueblo, Colo., with cash, cards, phones and documents addressed to the FLDS leader.) Search warrant returns taken from the raid on the YFZ Ranch detailed "mail from houses in hiding," but authorities have not provided additional details.

"The men that are going in hiding are wanted by the law, wanted for questioning or wanted for depositions in a civil case, so they have to put up things to hide them," said Sam Brower, a private investigator working for lawyers suing the FLDS Church.

Warren Jeffs, 52, was convicted last year in Utah on charges of rape as an accomplice. In Arizona, he is facing more charges accusing him of performing more child-bride marriages.

With the search still on for the 16-year-old "Sarah" whose phone calls of abuse and sexual assault triggered the Texas raid, Brower said it is possible the girl could be hidden away in a "safe house."

"That girl could be anywhere," Brower said. "They have the ability to make her disappear."

Some in law enforcement are keeping an eye out

Nut44x4
05-05-2008, 03:38 PM
We seem to have a lot of threads on FLDS in different areas and I wasn't sure where to put this. If it needs to be moved, please do.

FLDS Prophet Jeffs under suicide watch in Arizona
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 05/05/2008 12:29:45 PM MDT

FLDS prophet Warren Jeffs has been placed under suicide watch in Arizona, where he awaits trial on charges of criminal incest and sexual assault.
The Fort Worth (Texas) Star-Telegram reports that Jeffs is described as emaciated as he waits, 23 hours a day and alone, in his cell.
The 52-year-old Jeffs, head of the polygamous Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, earlier was convicted of rape-as-an-accomplice in Utah.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9159693

Details
05-05-2008, 03:47 PM
Might be time for an FLDS forum. In the lines of Help Find the Missing - maybe we could look at how some of the Lost Boys could be found and helped too...

I don't know how much to trust Utah - the LE, officials there seem soft on the cult. Talking about how they're not sure if Texas did the right thing, abandoning your children is a misdemeanor (and their solution to Lost boys is not to prosecute the parents, or stiffen the laws, but to make it easier for them to be emancipated - WTF???!), they've had a hundred years to do something. Jeffs has been in power for a fair bit, with the additional abuses he's created - and they still have done little. I'm not sure about Texas giving Utah free access to the docs unless there's nothing that would cause a problem for FLDS to know, because I really worry that they've got at least some moles, sympathizers in their organizations - information might not stay confidential.

Roamer
05-05-2008, 03:52 PM
Warren Jeffs isn't going to kill himself. He loves himself too much.

I think all these FLDS threads should go in the family violence forum, so let's put them all there from now on, ok?

Nut44x4
05-05-2008, 06:58 PM
I agree....no way would he do himself in.