Entwhistle Trial - June 10th cont.

[London Lass]

New page...new day.

:mornincoffee: MORNING (when you eventually wake up)...apart from Anna...

:0012:

[lost indie]

Good morning....

:francis:

well color me stupid here..

I was re-reading the timeline of the case...

didn't realize that Joe was target shooting with the SAME gun used to kill Rachel and Lily..

Friday
20 Jan 06
The Matterazzos were not at home on Friday when it is alleged NE returned the handgun. [DA]

Friday
20 Jan 06
8:14 PM BMW entered the garage at approximately 8:14 pm, left at 9:34 pm [DA]

Friday
20 Jan 06
~8 PM Surveillance tape show him near the airport international terminal. The last scheduled flight the UK is at 8:30 pm [BG]

Friday
20 Jan 06
10:00 PM Credit card and gas station records show that the defendant made a gasoline purchase shortly after 10:00 pm on Route 9 in Chestnut Hill [DA]

Friday
20 Jan 06
10:49 PM Airport records revealed that the car entered the garage at approximately 10:49 PM on January 20, 2006 [JBA]

Saturday
21 Jan 06
Morning Airline records show that at approximately 7:07 am on January 21, 2006, the defendant purchased a one way ticket to London, England, by telephone [DA][DA2]

Saturday
21 Jan 06
JM uses his .22-caliber firearms [JM in MBA]


Yikes...

:shock:

[London Lass]

I missed that it was the same gun...don't know how I missed that? :blondblush113268230

MORNING Indie! :0012:

[lost indie]

I missed that it was the same gun...don't know how I missed that? :blondblush113268230

MORNING Indie! :0012:

Glad I wasn't the only one to miss it. Poor Joe.....

what an awful feeling that must have been...

[London Lass]

Glad I wasn't the only one to miss it. Poor Joe.....

what an awful feeling that must have been...

So is that why that stupid man kept on and on and on about the bloody guns?

[lost indie]

So is that why that stupid man kept on and on and on about the bloody guns?

I guess it was.

Now if we could figure our why they kept harping on about Rachel's high school years and the friends she had over back then.

I kept waiting for the defense to ask Michael if he ever had sex with Rachel. Seemed headed that way....

[London Lass]

I know...he does go on! I think he is just trying to say that everyone who she ever met...EVER is a suspect! Never mind the lack of means, motive etc! Stupid man with his gormless grin, and his client sitting there with that smug look on his face! :madranting94dp:

[kellabeck]

Is there something in the defense attorney playbook which advises: "Make sure your killer uh-- client -- keeps a smug look on his face"?

Good morning, all!

[London Lass]

Is there something in the defense attorney playbook which advises: "Make sure your killer uh-- client -- keeps a smug look on his face"?

Good morning, all!

:girl_haha:

Morning Kellabeck - and byeeee everyone...off to my app, I hope to catch the afternoon part of the trial!

Speak to you all later!

Byeeeeeeeee! :0012:

[LiveLaughLuv]

:mornincoffee:

I haven't watch this trial yet, was skipping jury selections.

I remember when this happened, that he fled to Britan after his claim of finding his family dead in bed, claiming he panicked. He was heavily in debt, not working and had life insurance on his family. Which I believe was the motive for this senseless killing of his family. I guess the love of money is the root of all evil.


Is this trial on CTV umm TruTV? I'll tune in in about an hour.

Catch you when you get back, London.

[Karental]

:mornincoffee:

I haven't watch this trial yet, was skipping jury selections.

I remember when this happened, that he fled to Britan after his claim of finding his family dead in bed, claiming he panicked. He was heavily in debt, not working and had life insurance on his family. Which I believe was the motive for this senseless killing of his family. I guess the love of money is the root of all evil.


Is this trial on CTV umm TruTV? I'll tune in in about an hour.

Catch you when you get back, London.


Mornin' LLL - yes the trial is on CTV (with commercials) or online on CNN/Live or several local stations including

http://www3.whdh.com/news/specialcoverage/entwistle/index

This one^^ has a split screen so you can see the trial from two angles.

[wi_twin_mom]

Good morning all!:mornincoffee:

Still surviving the flooding here. All but one bridge is closed downtown and the field at the bottom of my hill looks like a lake! We got more rain this morning, I hope it ends soon!

I did some reading on the thread for yesterday and saw some of the testimony on utube. Looks like I missed some good stuff. I w*rk today and Thurs. and then I'm FREEEEEEE for the summer!!!!!!!!:basic44:

[lost indie]

Mornin' LLL - yes the trial is on CTV (with commercials) or online on CNN/Live or several local stations including

http://www3.whdh.com/news/specialcoverage/entwistle/index

This one^^ has a split screen so you can see the trial from two angles.

Hey karental..

:0012:

Did you realize that Joe was shooting the gun used to kill Rachel and Lilly when he went to the gun club that Saturday? That totally eluded me...

:shock:

[Karental]

Hey karental..

:0012:

Did you realize that Joe was shooting the gun used to kill Rachel and Lilly when he went to the gun club that Saturday? That totally eluded me...

:shock:

I did not realize that until you noted it upthread. I was shocked - but I think it shows that Neil knew which gun his fil usually used and he probably knew Joe was planning on going to the club. That shows more premeditation to me.

[wi_twin_mom]

Hey karental..

:0012:

Did you realize that Joe was shooting the gun used to kill Rachel and Lilly when he went to the gun club that Saturday? That totally eluded me...

:shock:

Hi LI! I missed that. (I didn't see all of the videos though.) That poor man! They still got DNA from the gun after it was fired? Did he normally go shooting on Saturdays? Maybe NE knew this and thought the DNA would be damaged, covering his tracks (I don't think he was that intelligent!)

[lost indie]

I did not realize that until you noted it upthread. I was shocked - but I think it shows that Neil knew which gun his fil usually used and he probably knew Joe was planning on going to the club. That shows more premeditation to me.

I think this trial is going to have lots of twists and turns.

Wonder why all the questions to Michael about Rachel's highschool years and her friends back then. Seemed odd to me...

[LiveLaughLuv]

Mornin' LLL - yes the trial is on CTV (with commercials) or online on CNN/Live or several local stations including

http://www3.whdh.com/news/specialcoverage/entwistle/index

This one^^ has a split screen so you can see the trial from two angles.


Thanks LI. I will be tuning in, I have some catching up to do.

[Karental]

I have no idea what that whole thing was about Rachel - unless to insinuate Michael had a "thing" for Rachel and couldn't bear to see her with another man. I think this defense is just throwing out all kinds of things so at closing they can say any number of people had motive, means, and opportunity, so therefore it's not reasonable that Neil did it.*

* Note to lurking defense intern - we're not buying it and neither is the jury...

[Karental]

All - I have to go to a meeting. I'll be back later and catch up on the "updates' thread.

[kindee]

Glad I wasn't the only one to miss it. Poor Joe.....

what an awful feeling that must have been...



OMG now I feel even worse for the guy. No wonder they thought he was a suspect, though.

:mornincoffee: everyone!

[kindee]

Good morning all!:mornincoffee:

Still surviving the flooding here. All but one bridge is closed downtown and the field at the bottom of my hill looks like a lake! We got more rain this morning, I hope it ends soon!

I did some reading on the thread for yesterday and saw some of the testimony on utube. Looks like I missed some good stuff. I w*rk today and Thurs. and then I'm FREEEEEEE for the summer!!!!!!!!:basic44:



EXCELLENT, woo hooooooooo! :zm10:

[lost indie]

OMG now I feel even worse for the guy. No wonder they thought he was a suspect, though.

:mornincoffee: everyone!

Can you imagine how Priscilla felt when she found out it was JOE'S gun?

I know nothing about guns...but Neil must have cleaned it after he used it. Joe seemed to be the type that always cleaned his guns after he used them. I would think he would have noticed it had been used otherwise.

[kindee]

We've got annoying piercing shriek and some action in the courtroom...

[mitch]

morning all.

[kindee]

Can you imagine how Priscilla felt when she found out it was JOE'S gun?

I know nothing about guns...but Neil must have cleaned it after he used it. Joe seemed to be the type that always cleaned his guns after he used them. I would think he would have noticed it had been used otherwise.



Oh, man, you know she had to feel horrible...and myself,not LIKING guns much...

[kindee]

morning all.




:mornincoffee:

[kindee]

Where is everyone? We are getting ready to go live...NE just came in. He reminds me of William Kennedy Smith.

[lost indie]

morning All.

:0012:

[TigressPen]

Can you imagine how Priscilla felt when she found out it was JOE'S gun?

I know nothing about guns...but Neil must have cleaned it after he used it. Joe seemed to be the type that always cleaned his guns after he used them. I would think he would have noticed it had been used otherwise.



I don't think Joe could have noticed it was used. Unless he knew it had been cleaned and he smelled of it and smelled gunpowder and not cleaning oils. I doubt if he would have done that though. I imagine he just took the gun, loaded it and began shooting. :(

I think the defense is beating an unbelieveable theory to say Joe killed Rachel and that baby. Even if he'd have killed Rachel, he had no reason to kill the baby. None.

[kindee]

Thank heavens the shriek alarm is done. We are live!!!!

starting out the day with a sidebar...*sigh*

[lost indie]

I see that blogger in the courtroom. He's a meaty boy..

:022:

[kindee]

I see that blogger in the courtroom. He's a meaty boy..

:022:



Oh funny L. Ah yes, hard to miss him ain't it?

Hey, on my WBZ page there is a news tease that says "McCowen stabbed". That's not Christopher McCowen, is it, anyone know?

[lost indie]

Oh funny L.

Hey, on my WBZ page there is a news tease that says "McCowen stabbed". That's not Christopher McCowen, is it, anyone know?

:shock:

yep...he was shanked...

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view/2008_06_10_Source:_Inmate_stabs_Truro_killer/srvc=home&position=also

[kindee]

:shock:

yep...he was shanked...

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view/2008_06_10_Source:_Inmate_stabs_Truro_killer/srvc=home&position=also




holy carp. :45024:

[mitch]

these folks in MASS are so english looking and sounding to me.

even their towns and streets sound english.

not like out here in the west.

[lyndawitha"y]

New page...new day.

:mornincoffee: MORNING (when you eventually wake up)...apart from Anna...

:0012:

Top of the Mornin to ya!:love0085:

Watching on TtV now..but will set up live feed soon!!

So glad to be able to chat while watching...he hee:yes2:

[kindee]

these folks in MASS are so english looking and sounding to me.

even their towns and streets sound english.

not like out here in the west.



Oh absolutely. They are only once removed from the MotherLand; I love Boston (my BFF is from Haverhill) but it's the only place on earth I refuse to drive in. Man, not only are the drivers loonies (sorry locals!) but getting through the roundabouts etc. is nerve wracking.

But it's just a mahvelous place to hang out. :grin:

[kellabeck]

In NYC we are being asked to cut down on power usage so that we can avoid a blackout. Some tall buildings are going w/o elevator service! Yikes!!
I am signing off and not putting my AC on today if I can help it.
I'll check in later.
Bye!!

[mitch]

Oh absolutely. They are only once removed from the MotherLand; I love Boston (my BFF is from Haverhill) but it's the only place on earth I refuse to drive in. Man, not only are the drivers loonies (sorry locals!) but getting through the roundabouts etc. is nerve wracking.

But it's just a mahvelous place to hang out. :grin:



funny those round abouts over there.

a couple of the newer shopping centers that have been built here in the last ten years have round abouts in them. I hate them.

[kindee]

In NYC we are being asked to cut down on power usage so that we can avoid a blackout. Some tall buildings are going w/o elevator service! Yikes!!
I am signing off and not putting my AC on today if I can help it.
I'll check in later.
Bye!!



man, that is freaky. Folks were asking for you yesterday. Hope all goes well and you can check back in.

[kindee]

funny those round abouts over there.

a couple of the newer shopping centers that have been built here in the last ten years have round abouts in them. I hate them.




They are just accident magnets if you ask me. I just hate them too.

[TigressPen]

Where is everyone? We are getting ready to go live...NE just came in. He reminds me of William Kennedy Smith.


The accused rapist? He does!! I felt sorry for the victim in that trial. The judge wouldn't allow previous acts to come in as evidence.

[mitch]

were the heck is Cat, i saw WTM this morning posted, but we haven't heard from Cat.

hope all is ok for her.

[kindee]

The accused rapist? He does!! I felt sorry for the victim in that trial. The judge wouldn't allow previous acts to come in as evidence.




They had like 8 other victims in the hall waiting to testify. Oh yeah, that trial STANK. :madranting94dp: And then what's his name the defense atty. MARRIED one of the jurors. :eyebrow1qb:

[wi_twin_mom]

funny those round abouts over there.

a couple of the newer shopping centers that have been built here in the last ten years have round abouts in them. I hate them.

We are getting them in S.E. WI! I don't like'em either!

[kindee]

were the heck is Cat, i saw WTM this morning posted, but we haven't heard from Cat.

hope all is ok for her.




There are a lot of posters MIA. Check in, please, people! :basic45:

[wi_twin_mom]

were the heck is Cat, i saw WTM this morning posted, but we haven't heard from Cat.

hope all is ok for her.

Yup! I'm here for a few more min.!

[wi_twin_mom]

There are a lot of posters MIA. Check in, please, people! :basic45:

There are 16 members and 4 guests logged on here.

[kindee]

Yup! I'm here for a few more min.!




Can't wait 'til you're freeeeeeeeee! :francis:

[mitch]

Yup! I'm here for a few more min.!

what about cat's area of WI

i have been watching the flooding on the live feed and it looks really bad.

[mitch]

oh i hate this attorney.

[dojewo]

Morning all, checking in, I'm still getting caught up, hope everyone is well today

[wi_twin_mom]

Can't wait 'til you're freeeeeeeeee! :francis:

Me toooooo!!!!!:basic44:

[kindee]

Morning all, checking in, I'm still getting caught up, hope everyone is well today




:mornincoffee: do!

I do not care for either defense atty. either. Not exactly a Dream Team imo. :lex_10:

[mitch]

what the heck is heating oil.

lmao j/k

[dojewo]

what about cat's area of WI

i have been watching the flooding on the live feed and it looks really bad.
The flooding is real bad here Mitch but not so much were Cat lives. Luckely I'm not in a flooded area but over the weekend my road looks like a river.

[kindee]

what about cat's area of WI

i have been watching the flooding on the live feed and it looks really bad.



Well I hope she checks in soon. We have a lot of posters from up that way.

:girl_sad:

[wi_twin_mom]

what about cat's area of WI

i have been watching the flooding on the live feed and it looks really bad.

I think cat is from N.E. WI (Green Bay Area). They didn't get the storms as much as we did in the Milwaukee area.

[TigressPen]

They had like 8 other victims in the hall waiting to testify. Oh yeah, that trial STANK. :madranting94dp: And then what's his name the defense atty. MARRIED one of the jurors. :eyebrow1qb:


I can't remember the name!! I do remember the Judge. Her name was Lupo and that is my maternal family name so she is likely roundabout kin.

[dojewo]

:mornincoffee: do!

I do not care for either defense atty. either. Not exactly a Dream Team imo. :lex_10:
Actually these attys are boring, nothing like the Jensen case.

[mitch]

The flooding is real bad here Mitch but not so much were Cat lives. Luckely I'm not in a flooded area but over the weekend my road looks like a river.


i feel so bad for you all.

i live in folsom ca we have a big lake not far from my home. it is made by a huge dam that dams the Sacramento and the American Rivers. yesterday watching what was going on was like Oh to close to home for me.

[kindee]

I can't remember the name!! I do remember the Judge. Her name was Lupo and that is my maternal family name so she is likely roundabout kin.




I just remembered---Roy Black? ick.

[dojewo]

I think cat is from N.E. WI (Green Bay Area). They didn't get the storms as much as we did in the Milwaukee area.WTM, how bad did you get it? You're a little further south then me.

[TigressPen]

This attorney comes across as attacking with every witness she questions. It's irritating!!

[wi_twin_mom]

i feel so bad for you all.

i live in folsom ca we have a big lake not far from my home. it is made by a huge dam that dams the Sacramento and the American Rivers. yesterday watching what was going on was like Oh to close to home for me.

Did you see that Lake Delton, WI Dells Area, is no more? They keep showing the house that breaks apart and falls in the water. How sad.

[kindee]

i feel so bad for you all.

i live in folsom ca we have a big lake not far from my home. it is made by a huge dam that dams the Sacramento and the American Rivers. yesterday watching what was going on was like Oh to close to home for me.




Hey I was living in the SF Bay area when you guys had those massive floods...like 1996 or so? I watched all day as they tried to get a dog, Rodeo, off a roof. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

Did I tell you before that I ran the gymnastics program in the city of Vacaville for years? I also worked at Woodland? Is that the little town? West of Sacto.

[dojewo]

i feel so bad for you all.

i live in folsom ca we have a big lake not far from my home. it is made by a huge dam that dams the Sacramento and the American Rivers. yesterday watching what was going on was like Oh to close to home for me.We have a lake in Wisconsin Dells that is no longer a lake. It's a big vacation spot and those people are going to suffer. I guess all that water found other places to go. Homes were being swept away as the water rushed.

[kindee]

This attorney comes across as attacking with every witness she questions. It's irritating!!




She does...now why would she be attacking this witness?

[mitch]

Did you see that Lake Delton, WI Dells Area, is no more? They keep showing the house that breaks apart and falls in the water. How sad.

yes we saw it.

there was another house that also was being shown but it stayed in tact and floated down the river. Mr Mitch was like "now that house was well built see how it's staying together and not breaking up"

he was impressed.

[wi_twin_mom]

WTM, how bad did you get it? You're a little further south then me.

Downtown Waukesha is closed down. Almost all the bridges are closed. I went to check it out yesterday and the water is up to the bottom of the bridges! They've closed businesses and re-routed traffic. The Fox river at the bottom of my hill has turned the field into a lake. And we got more rain this morning!

[LiveLaughLuv]

Did you see that Lake Delton, WI Dells Area, is no more? They keep showing the house that breaks apart and falls in the water. How sad.


I saw that too last night on the news. Hoping whoever lives in that flood stricken area are all safe and sound.

[TigressPen]

She does...now why would she be attacking this witness?

The only thing I got from all that removal of property mess is she is trying to say, evidence was possibily destroyed.:madranting94dp:

[StoneFox]

:mornincoffee: EV1

I was soooooo hoping I would get to watch the trial all day today, but real life and Mercury retrograde have other ideas on it. :eyebrow1qb:

[kindee]

SO atty. Page is trying to say THIS lady stole some documents from the house? I guess there are papers missing and likely Neil himself took them. But the atty is trying to say THIS woman actually took them. Sheesh almighty.

Anybody But Neil is the recurring theme. Oh, an attorney took them. uh huh Ms. Page.

[dojewo]

Downtown Waukesha is closed down. Almost all the bridges are closed. I went to check it out yesterday and the water is up to the bottom of the bridges! They've closed businesses and re-routed traffic. The Fox river at the bottom of my hill has turned the field into a lake. And we got more rain this morning!
Oh so you're in the Waukesha area, I thought you were in Kenosha or something like that. I have some family in Waukesha and I guess everyone there is fine, but it's heck getting around town.

[wi_twin_mom]

Have a great day everyone! I'm off to w*rk. I'll check in later today. Oh, I forgot to tell everyone, my son got a job and started working yesterday!!!! Bye!

[dojewo]

Why would the judge say that? She was on her way back to the stand anyhow.

[kindee]

The only thing I got from all that removal of property mess is she is trying to say, evidence was possibily destroyed.:madranting94dp:




Yeah, STOLEN by some attorney. Not Neil, for sure, maybe this woman or maybe another attorney but apparently something is missing and NEIL didn't take it!

:rolleye0001:

And of course the stolen checks or whatever would have exonerated her client had they not been stolen by this witness or someone else....:rolleye0001: again.

[mitch]

Hey I was living in the SF Bay area when you guys had those massive floods...like 1996 or so? I watched all day as they tried to get a dog, Rodeo, off a roof. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

Did I tell you before that I ran the gymnastics program in the city of Vacaville for years? I also worked at Woodland? Is that the little town? West of Sacto.


yes woodland is west of Sac, by Davis. but it has really grown as has much of the area's surronding SAC.

i knew that you had lived on the eastbay. iirc concord area. Vacaville is pretty much the same or at least it looks the same as i soom through it on Hwy 80 the big Nut Tree signs hasn't changed since i was a kid.

[kindee]

Why would the judge say that? She was on her way back to the stand anyhow.




I don't know but this poor woman got beat up on the stand. If I were her I'd be ticked off---she was accused of stealing from the house and then berated by the judge for no apparent reason.

:girl_sad:

[lyndawitha"y]

This attorney comes across as attacking with every witness she questions. It's irritating!!


Ms. Page certainly does have an annoying way of asking questions...I can see why I read so many comments on her in yesterdays thread

:groan:

[LiveLaughLuv]

SO atty. Page is trying to say THIS lady stole some documents from the house? I guess there are papers missing and likely Neil himself took them. But the atty is trying to say THIS woman actually took them. Sheesh almighty.

Anybody But Neil is the recurring theme. Oh, an attorney took them. uh huh Ms. Page.


Mostly they are discussing renting a home vs buying a home and having a three month lease. I never knew they would or could give a three month lease or why someone would take a lease that short.

[dojewo]

:mornincoffee: EV1

I was soooooo hoping I would get to watch the trial all day today, but real life and Mercury retrograde have other ideas on it. :eyebrow1qb:Morning Fox, I can only be here for a while this morning too. RL sure gets in the way sometimes.

[gramvof14]

They are just accident magnets if you ask me. I just hate them too.
Morning Kindee,and Mitch and everyone else:mornincoffee:I slept late this morning and now I am hurring to get things done.:basic44::basic44:
BTW the those Round abouts are called Rotary's and we are use to them, but I agree they are a pain in the neck. haha:girl_haha:Who is this woman on the stand.???

[kindee]

yes woodland is west of Sac, by Davis. but it has really grown as has much of the area's surronding SAC.

i knew that you had lived on the eastbay. iirc concord area. Vacaville is pretty much the same or at least it looks the same as i soom through it on Hwy 80 the big Nut Tree signs hasn't changed since i was a kid.




Oh, the Nut Tree! We used to stop there all the time going back and forth from SF to Sacto. Hadn't thought of it in years, but one of my fondest memories took place there. After a gymnnastics meet with my team when I was competing. Ahhhhhhhhh we did have us some fun. The Nut Tree! :girl_haha:

We first moved to Hayward when we were "kids", but I lived all over the Bay Area, moved to Walnut Creek when I married my DH.

[kindee]

Morning Kindee,and Mitch and everyone else:mornincoffee:I slept late this morning and now I am hurring to get things done.:basic44::basic44:
BTW the those Round abouts are called Rotary's and we are use to them, but I agree they are a pain in the neck. haha:girl_haha:Who is this woman on the stand.???



:mornincoffee: GramV! Pamela Jackson now on the stand. Not sure why.

[dojewo]

I don't know but this poor woman got beat up on the stand. If I were her I'd be ticked off---she was accused of stealing from the house and then berated by the judge for no apparent reason.

:girl_sad:When she was walking to the stand and the Judge said that she had a AWE look on her face.

[lyndawitha"y]

Can you imagine owning a home like that..having new tenants get murdered there, getting your home back, then trying to sell it?..It must of been a nightmare for her!

[kindee]

Mostly they are discussing renting a home vs buying a home and having a three month lease. I never knew they would or could give a three month lease or why someone would take a lease that short.




There are apparently some missing documents and NEIL didn't take them, says Ms. Page the defense atty.

And this lady is the local Welcome Wagon...

[StoneFox]

Morning Fox, I can only be here for a while this morning too. RL sure gets in the way sometimes.

Morning Doj!
Seems lately RL has a mind of its own...won't take direction. LOL

[kindee]

:mornincoffee: EV1

I was soooooo hoping I would get to watch the trial all day today, but real life and Mercury retrograde have other ideas on it. :eyebrow1qb:



RATS! Well check in when you can girlie. :0012:

[lovelaw]

:mornincoffee: Good morning! Multi-tasking this morning! WOW! It is different when the kids are home from school! But, I love it!

The landlord was a tough cookie. Defense could not manipulate her one bit! Though, I don't understand what it was she was getting at anyway! Papers?? Perhaps the landlord absconded with the murderer's (NOT NE of course) confession?? HA!~

[dojewo]

Can you imagine owning a home like that..having new tenants get murdered there, getting your home back, then trying to sell it?..It must of been a nightmare for her!I heard new people are living in the house, anyone know if they are renting or did they buy?

[mollybrown]

SO atty. Page is trying to say THIS lady stole some documents from the house? I guess there are papers missing and likely Neil himself took them. But the atty is trying to say THIS woman actually took them. Sheesh almighty.

Anybody But Neil is the recurring theme. Oh, an attorney took them. uh huh Ms. Page.

Morning evryone :love0085:

Kindee I thought I heard page ask the owner of the house about some boxes too. :z0tdntknw:

[kindee]

:mornincoffee: Good morning! Multi-tasking this morning! WOW! It is different when the kids are home from school! But, I love it!

The landlord was a tough cookie. Defense could not manipulate her one bit! Though, I don't understand what it was she was getting at anyway! Papers?? Perhaps the landlord absconded with the murderer's (NOT NE of course) confession?? HA!~



morning love! Yeah, that's the ticket! The ONE thing that would PROVE NE isn't the killer was STOLEN from the house by the landlady OR an evil prosecutor don'tchaknow. :22wink:

[sciencegirl]

Morning to all my peeps - :howdy:

How's everyone doing today? I have to scurry around here and take a shower, get dressed and go get my second series of injections in an hour. I'll be back with all of you as soon as I get back.

[kindee]

Morning evryone :love0085:

Kindee I thought I heard page ask the owner of the house about some boxes too. :z0tdntknw:


:mornincoffee:


I don't understand why atty. page has to ATTACK such benign witnesses. :madranting94dp:

[kindee]

Morning to all my peeps - :howdy:

How's everyone doing today? I have to scurry around here and take a shower, get dressed and go get my second series of injections in an hour. I'll be back with all of you as soon as I get back.



Later tater! Hurry back.

[dojewo]

:mornincoffee: Good morning! Multi-tasking this morning! WOW! It is different when the kids are home from school! But, I love it!

The landlord was a tough cookie. Defense could not manipulate her one bit! Though, I don't understand what it was she was getting at anyway! Papers?? Perhaps the landlord absconded with the murderer's (NOT NE of course) confession?? HA!~
Morning Love, yes I love the school-less days. I can't believe they would blame the owner of the house for taking the papers.

[StoneFox]

:mornincoffee: Good morning! Multi-tasking this morning! WOW! It is different when the kids are home from school! But, I love it!

The landlord was a tough cookie. Defense could not manipulate her one bit! Though, I don't understand what it was she was getting at anyway! Papers?? Perhaps the landlord absconded with the murderer's (NOT NE of course) confession?? HA!~

Yup...lady def is no match for the landlord. :girl_haha:

[lyndawitha"y]

I heard new people are living in the house, anyone know if they are renting or did they buy?

That lady said she had sold the property..but now not sure if new people living there own or rent from the new owners?..

I am sure she was glad to unload that investmentespecially with what the real Estate Industry is like today!!

[annalyzer]

Quick hello. I've got it on but busy right now. Hope everyone is having a great morning. :mornincoffee:

[dojewo]

Morning to all my peeps - :howdy:

How's everyone doing today? I have to scurry around here and take a shower, get dressed and go get my second series of injections in an hour. I'll be back with all of you as soon as I get back.Hi SG, hope to see you in a bit.

[mollybrown]

:mornincoffee:


I don't understand why atty. page has to ATTACK such benign witnesses. :madranting94dp:

WOW this Welcome Wagon Lady is very nice. I want to be her friend. :11_2_104:

[kindee]

quick Hello. I've Got It On But Busy Right Now. Hope Everyone Is Having A Great Morning. :mornincoffee:




:0012:

[kindee]

WOW this Welcome Wagon Lady is very nice. I want to be her friend. :11_2_104:




She really is. She's no doubt excellent at her "job". :zm10:

[StoneFox]

:mornincoffee:


I don't understand why atty. page has to ATTACK such benign witnesses. :madranting94dp:

it makes no sense. they both do it...both def attys. it's like they think if they can take a tiny bite, they have disqualified all the witness testimony. they are too focused on the trivial. nutty! :rolleye0001:

[kindee]

hmmmmm NE appeared to adore the baby.

[lovelaw]

Morning evryone :love0085:

Kindee I thought I heard page ask the owner of the house about some boxes too. :z0tdntknw:

No doubt the REAL murder weapon was in one of the boxes, and it was chock full of the killer's (NOT NE, of course) fingerprints!~ That damn landlord!! She foiled the case!~ :22wink:

GOOD MORNING!~

[dojewo]

That lady said she had sold the property..but now not sure if new people living there own or rent from the new owners?..

I am sure she was glad to unload that investmentespecially with what the real Estate Industry is like today!!
This sure is a bad time to sell, but I would have second thought about living in that house.

[lovelaw]

I heard new people are living in the house, anyone know if they are renting or did they buy?


IIRC, the house was sold.:0012:

[kindee]

it makes no sense. they both do it...both def attys. it's like they think if they can take a tiny bite, they have disqualified all the witness testimony. they are too focused on the trivial. nutty! :rolleye0001:



They do both do it... as if the entire "cast" for the prosecution bonded together to frame poor Neil. Everyone is an enemy. It IS nutty!

[lovelaw]

morning love! Yeah, that's the ticket! The ONE thing that would PROVE NE isn't the killer was STOLEN from the house by the landlady OR an evil prosecutor don'tchaknow. :22wink:

Yep! Yep! It is all clear to me now!~




:grin:

[lyndawitha"y]

There has been much talk about the dogs not getting along..Just saw a pic of the Bassett Hound..was that Neil and Rachel's Dog..or the Rachel's folks?..What kind of dog was the other one..It makes me LOL just to think of Dogs as a motive to kill wife and baby!!

[mollybrown]

No doubt the REAL murder weapon was in one of the boxes, and it was chock full of the killer's (NOT NE, of course) fingerprints!~ That damn landlord!! She foiled the case!~ :22wink:

GOOD MORNING!~

The Welcome Wagon Lady DID IT :67302:

[dojewo]

Quick hello. I've got it on but busy right now. Hope everyone is having a great morning. :mornincoffee:
Hello Anna, hope all is well today, see you when you get a chance.

[kindee]

No doubt the REAL murder weapon was in one of the boxes, and it was chock full of the killer's (NOT NE, of course) fingerprints!~ That damn landlord!! She foiled the case!~ :22wink:

GOOD MORNING!~


Maybe the LANDLADY is the REAL KILLER!!!! :shock:

[kindee]

The Welcome Wagon Lady DID IT :67302:




HAHAHAHAHAHA! :zm10:


hey, people thought Scott P and Laci were perfectly happy, too.

[lovelaw]

quick Hello. I've Got It On But Busy Right Now. Hope Everyone Is Having A Great Morning. :mornincoffee:

:0012:

[dojewo]

WOW this Welcome Wagon Lady is very nice. I want to be her friend. :11_2_104:She seems like a very nice lady that would be good at a job like a welcome wagon.

[lovelaw]

Morning to all my peeps - :howdy:

How's everyone doing today? I have to scurry around here and take a shower, get dressed and go get my second series of injections in an hour. I'll be back with all of you as soon as I get back.

:0012:


GOOD :girl_haha:LUCK!!~

[kindee]

people also thought Mark and Lori Hacking were happy. Oh, and Mike and Kathleen Peterson. NO signs of any trouble until the wife turned up DEAD.

[lovelaw]

Morning Love, yes I love the school-less days. I can't believe they would blame the owner of the house for taking the papers.

:yes2:


It is the blame game!~

[dojewo]

IIRC, the house was sold.:0012:
But you don't know if the new owners are living there or if they are renting?

[lovelaw]

Yup...lady def is no match for the landlord. :girl_haha:

:zm10:

[StoneFox]

They do both do it... as if the entire "cast" for the prosecution bonded together to frame poor Neil. Everyone is an enemy. It IS nutty!

It puzzles me that def attys use that tactic...everyone bonded together for the frame up. It is so rediculous and the possibility that it could actually happen is waaaaaaay remote. I guess since it worked with OJ, they see it is still a viable argument. :0009:

[dojewo]

:yes2:


It is the blame game!~
It looks like a conspiracy, they all did it.

[lovelaw]

hmmmmm NE appeared to adore the baby.

Isn't that :z0tdntknw: I mean...what happened?? :(

Greedy, selfish needs took over, I guess.

[kindee]

It puzzles me that def attys use that tactic...everyone bonded together for the frame up. It is so rediculous and the possibility that it could actually happen is waaaaaaay remote. I guess since it worked with OJ, they see it is still a viable argument. :0009:




Well it worked the once! :grin:

But yeah, they are going to attack every tiny detail and then claim they punched holes in the case...and created reasonable doubt.

Don't see what else they can do, I guess, but it sure is irritating and off-putting.

[lovelaw]

The Welcome Wagon Lady DID IT :67302:

:67302: They are always shady! :grin: Them and their little wagons!~

[kindee]

Isn't that :z0tdntknw: I mean...what happened?? :(

Greedy, selfish needs took over, I guess.


Seriously, I guess he became desperate and didn't want them to know what a screaming failure he was. Not to mention a coward. Maybe he was intending to kill himself but he didn't. :z0tdntknw:

adding: people thought Mabel and Dirk Greneider were happy too...and Rabbi Neulander and his wife. Those people had DECADES of "happy" marriage under their belts.

[lovelaw]

Maybe the LANDLADY is the REAL KILLER!!!! :shock:

Her AND the Welcome Wagon lady were in on it together!~:shock:

[lovelaw]

But you don't know if the new owners are living there or if they are renting?

Oh...sorry doj. Nope, I don't recall.

[lovelaw]

Brb!~

[kindee]

Her AND the Welcome Wagon lady were in on it together!~:shock:




Oh yeah...that's what happened. :grin:

[dojewo]

Oh...sorry doj. Nope, I don't recall.Not a problem, I was just wondering if the new owner could move into a home that had a murder commited in it or if they just bought it as a rental.

[mollybrown]

Don't forget the Logan Airport guy! I bet he drove NE's car there and parked it too. :shock:

[Cat]

GOOD MORNING! A little bird (was that a Peep?) told me you were looking for me. Here I am. :girl_haha: :love0081: to all.

[mollybrown]

WOW NE used "Pay on foot" meter number 666 :shock:

[lost indie]

WOW NE used "Pay on foot" meter number 666 :shock:

:shock::a1chic::a1chic::a1chic::a1chic::a1chic:

[kindee]

GOOD MORNING! A little bird (was that a Peep?) told me you were looking for me. Here I am. :girl_haha: :love0081: to all.



:mornincoffee::grin:

That is funny he used meter 666 something.

[mollybrown]

GOOD MORNING! A little bird (was that a Peep?) told me you were looking for me. Here I am. :girl_haha: :love0081: to all.


Morning CAT :11_2_104:

Southeast WI really got hit the last few days. Hope you are fine.....

[Cornblossom]

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff5/WitchyWoman_0000/A%20Starters/Tuesday/tuesday_1010_wwg.gif

[dojewo]

GOOD MORNING! A little bird (was that a Peep?) told me you were looking for me. Here I am. :girl_haha: :love0081: to all.

Morning Cat, so far it looks like everyone did it in this case. Now we have the airport people involved too. :girl_haha:

[kindee]

Don't forget the Logan Airport guy! I bet he drove NE's car there and parked it too. :shock:




Oh he is probably the ringleader! :zm10:


Goooooooood Mooooorning Corn!!!!!:11_2_104:

[bambam]

:mornincoffee:

did they say number 666??? :eek:



hola peeps! real life sure is getting in the way of my fave pastime!!! :45024: i'll be in and out today like yesterday.....maybe i can get everything done by friday and have the day all to myself!! they are in court on fridays, aren't they?? :z0tdntknw:

[Cat]

Morning CAT :11_2_104:

Southeast WI really got hit the last few days. Hope you are fine.....

We are good, molly. Thanks for asking. I was in pure shock watching the news with houses tumbling into the river in the Dells. Very, very sad. :cryintime:

[kindee]

:mornincoffee:

did they say number 666??? :eek:



hola peeps! real life sure is getting in the way of my fave pastime!!! :45024: i'll be in and out today like yesterday.....maybe i can get everything done by friday and have the day all to myself!! they are in court on fridays, aren't they?? :z0tdntknw:



Good morning. Yeah, they did say meter # 666 something---I do think they are in session Fridays. There was something early on about having half days on Wednesdays but I haven't heard anything about that recently.

[dojewo]

Well I'm going to leave for a while, DS doesn't have a baby sitter today and it's hard to do this and watch a one year old. I'll try to get back in a while.

[gramvof14]

GOOD MORNING! A little bird (was that a Peep?) told me you were looking for me. Here I am. :girl_haha: :love0081: to all.
morning Cat:mornincoffee:hope everything is well with you today.:love0085:

[kindee]

Well I'm going to leave for a while, DS doesn't have a baby sitter today and it's hard to do this and watch a one year old. I'll try to get back in a while.




yikes, a 1 year old!!!! :hide:

hurry back!

[Cat]

morning Cat:mornincoffee:hope everything is well with you today.:love0085:

It is, and for you, too, gramv. :love0085:

[Cat]

Good morning, Corny. Is this just a quick appearance again today? Beautiful picture.

[StoneFox]

I wonder if NE thinks his attys are doing a good job.

[bambam]

Good morning. Yeah, they did say meter # 666 something---I do think they are in session Fridays. There was something early on about having half days on Wednesdays but I haven't heard anything about that recently.

oh! i remember hearing about the half-day wed. thing! well, that's a GOOD thing!! that gives me some extra time without missing the trial!! (i'm going to have to start scheuling all my RL chit on wednesday afternoons!! :67302:)

[Cat]

Sounds like a good plan, bam. How did the job hunting go? I missed you. :girl_sad:

[gramvof14]

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff5/WitchyWoman_0000/A%20Starters/Tuesday/tuesday_1010_wwg.gif
Morning Corny my friend :love0085:hope the weather is fine over your way.:basic44: We are having a heat wave here pushing 100 I have A/C running for the past 3 days.:rolleye0001:

[kindee]

I wonder if NE thinks his attys are doing a good job.




I wonder how he can sit there and let other people be accused of killing his family.

[gramvof14]

I wonder how he can sit there and let other people be accused of killing his family.
Because he is a coward and a creep.:45024::71541:

[Cornblossom]

Morning Corny my friend :love0085:hope the weather is fine over your way.:basic44: We are having a heat wave here pushing 100 I have A/C running for the past 3 days.:rolleye0001:Right now the weather is fine.....don't know what it'll be in 5 min...it changes so fast LMAO How are you and yourn my favorite gram?:0012:

[mollybrown]

All this talk about the parking area at Logan. WOW Big Brother is really watching us. :a1chic:

[Cornblossom]

I wonder how he can sit there and let other people be accused of killing his family.
Same way David westerfield sat and let his son be accused of killing Danielle Van Damm...no feelings whatsoever.:0012:

[KittyMom]

So, they're going over toll photos of NE's car on Jan 20? My computer is buffering like mad today and I can't follow.

[bambam]

Sounds like a good plan, bam. How did the job hunting go? I missed you. :girl_sad:

i don't think anyone wants to hire me, cat. :girl_sad: it seems that nobody wants a middle-aged woman when they can hire young, nubile, good-lookin chicks. this is what i am starting to think anyway. i've applied at all these same places before.... and never got called ONE time. (that was a couple of years ago) so i tried again yesterday. who knows if they'll call. :z0tdntknw: i'm doubting it! and the thing is..... i'm DONE with my career... no more serious... STRESSful work for me!! i'm just looking for a lil ol part-time, no-brainer job (ex: cashier at the local LQ store..well, the nice one, lol) you know... stuff like that!! i used to bartend in the summers on dauphin island... i would love to have a part-time bartending job (and i'm talkin bout in a decent place, of course) but....*sigh* we'll see.......



so sorry for the big OT!!! :blondblush113268230

[KittyMom]

So, they're going over toll photos of NE's car on Jan 20? My computer is buffering like mad today and I can't follow.

[bambam]

Sounds like a good plan, bam. How did the job hunting go? I missed you. :girl_sad:

i don't think anyone wants to hire me, cat. :girl_sad: it seems that nobody wants a middle-aged woman when they can hire young, nubile, good-lookin chicks. this is what i am starting to think anyway. i've applied at all these same places before.... and never got called ONE time. (that was a couple of years ago) so i tried again yesterday. who knows if they'll call. :z0tdntknw: i'm doubting it! and the thing is..... i'm DONE with my career... no more serious... STRESSful work for me!! i'm just looking for a lil ol part-time, no-brainer job (ex: cashier at the local LQ store..well, the nice one, lol) you know... stuff like that!! i used to bartend in the summers on dauphin island... i would love to have a part-time bartending job (and i'm talkin bout in a decent place, of course) but....*sigh* we'll see.......



so sorry for the big OT!!! :blondblush113268230

[Cat]

Where is everyone? We are getting ready to go live...NE just came in. He reminds me of William Kennedy Smith.

Another creep. :madranting94dp:

[Cornblossom]

All this talk about the parking area at Logan. WOW Big Brother is really watching us. :a1chic:it's not even safe to make funny faces in the bathroom any more LMAO

[annalyzer]

Neil looks somewhat effeminate.



:022:

[StoneFox]

666 number again. is this number coming up in association with NE and his transactions? if so, WOW...what a subliminal message that is.

[gramvof14]

Right now the weather is fine.....don't know what it'll be in 5 min...it changes so fast LMAO How are you and yourn my favorite gram?:0012:
Family and I are not doing to bad thanks.:love0085:

[kindee]

Because he is a coward and a creep.:45024::71541:




Yeah....but the Welcome Wagon lady said he appeared to really love Lily. I wonder what went so wrong. AND, knowing he is the killer (unless their theory is he did it but doesn't recall, it's too traumatic) how can he sit there and allow others to be blamed? IF he didn't do it, and he believes Some Other Dude DID do it, how could he sit there so calmly?

Really, I do think I would tell the truth at this point. "Yes I did it!" and let the other "suspects" off the hook.

[mollybrown]

666 number again. is this number coming up in association with NE and his transactions? if so, WOW...what a subliminal message that is.

Yes, The "Pay on foot" ternimal where NE paid for his parking was Number 666 in the Logan Airport internal system :shock:

[annalyzer]

i don't think anyone wants to hire me, cat. :girl_sad: it seems that nobody wants a middle-aged woman when they can hire young, nubile, good-lookin chicks. this is what i am starting to think anyway. i've applied at all these same places before.... and never got called ONE time. (that was a couple of years ago) so i tried again yesterday. who knows if they'll call. :z0tdntknw: i'm doubting it! and the thing is..... i'm DONE with my career... no more serious... STRESSful work for me!! i'm just looking for a lil ol part-time, no-brainer job (ex: cashier at the local LQ store..well, the nice one, lol) you know... stuff like that!! i used to bartend in the summers on dauphin island... i would love to have a part-time bartending job (and i'm talkin bout in a decent place, of course) but....*sigh* we'll see.......



so sorry for the big OT!!! :blondblush113268230

I'll never forget when I was about 27 and wanting a cocktail waitress position at the new Hilton in Cocoa, FL. They put me on as food waitress instead. They wanted the young 18 and 19 years olds for the cocktail waitresses. :girl_sad:

[kindee]

Same way David westerfield sat and let his son be accused of killing Danielle Van Damm...no feelings whatsoever.:0012:



Oh yeah...he sat there and let his SON be accused of the kiddie porn.

:puke:

[Cat]

i don't think anyone wants to hire me, cat. :girl_sad: it seems that nobody wants a middle-aged woman when they can hire young, nubile, good-lookin chicks. this is what i am starting to think anyway. i've applied at all these same places before.... and never got called ONE time. (that was a couple of years ago) so i tried again yesterday. who knows if they'll call. :z0tdntknw: i'm doubting it! and the thing is..... i'm DONE with my career... no more serious... STRESSful work for me!! i'm just looking for a lil ol part-time, no-brainer job (ex: cashier at the local LQ store..well, the nice one, lol) you know... stuff like that!! i used to bartend in the summers on dauphin island... i would love to have a part-time bartending job (and i'm talkin bout in a decent place, of course) but....*sigh* we'll see.......

so sorry for the big OT!!! :blondblush113268230

I will agree with you that ageism is alive and well. I experienced that once I was in my 40's. They'd rather have a cute, 20-something at the front desk in an office than someone who has experience and actually knows something. :madranting94dp: Retail is pretty easy to get into up here though. Do you live in a small town? Ok, pm me, so we don't get everyone mad at us. :girl_haha:

[mollybrown]

OK here comes Page and her "WTH does this have to do with this case" line of questioning.

[lost indie]

i don't think anyone wants to hire me, cat. :girl_sad: it seems that nobody wants a middle-aged woman when they can hire young, nubile, good-lookin chicks. this is what i am starting to think anyway. i've applied at all these same places before.... and never got called ONE time. (that was a couple of years ago) so i tried again yesterday. who knows if they'll call. :z0tdntknw: i'm doubting it! and the thing is..... i'm DONE with my career... no more serious... STRESSful work for me!! i'm just looking for a lil ol part-time, no-brainer job (ex: cashier at the local LQ store..well, the nice one, lol) you know... stuff like that!! i used to bartend in the summers on dauphin island... i would love to have a part-time bartending job (and i'm talkin bout in a decent place, of course) but....*sigh* we'll see.......



so sorry for the big OT!!! :blondblush113268230

Maybe you should become a self employed welcome wagon woman..

:0012::francis::francis::francis::francis:

[Cornblossom]

Yeah....but the Welcome Wagon lady said he appeared to really love Lily. I wonder what went so wrong. AND, knowing he is the killer (unless their theory is he did it but doesn't recall, it's too traumatic) how can he sit there and allow others to be blamed? IF he didn't do it, and he believes Some Other Dude DID do it, how could he sit there so calmly?

Really, I do think I would tell the truth at this point. "Yes I did it!" and let the other "suspects" off the hook.
Lots of parents have loved their kids all the while they were bashing their heads in with a rock or drowning them.:0012:

[kindee]

OK here comes Page and her "WTH does this have to do with this case" line of questioning.




She's going to say Neil didn't try to hide coming, going, and parking.

The #666 is going to be a bit harder to explain...:0devil::eek::0devil:

[bambam]

I'll never forget when I was about 27 and wanting a cocktail waitress position at the new Hilton in Cocoa, FL. They put me on as food waitress instead. They wanted the young 18 and 19 years olds for the cocktail waitresses. :girl_sad:

yep. so you know they SURE don't want a 50-something!! course, i'm just talkin bout bartending in a small bar that prolly doesn't see that much business anyway! yesterday, i even went over to the local VFW...they actually have a really nice bar there... and i figure...hey it's all pretty much geezers (like me!) so what the heck?? and even the bartender there was barely 21!!! :faintTHUD:

[Cat]

Don't give up, bambam. :love0081:

[lovelaw]

Same way David westerfield sat and let his son be accused of killing Danielle Van Damm...no feelings whatsoever.:0012:

Ahhhhhhhhhhh....yes, David Westerfield :0devil:....another piece of scum who should never have been allowed to roam the Earth freely.

GOOD MORNING CORN!! And Cat and Gram, Bam, Kitty, Lost, and all the others who showed up a bit ago!!~ :love0085:

I hope I said good morning to all who were here earlier as well!~

[bambam]

sorry bout the OT folks... but y'all KNOW i have a bad habit about it!! LMAO! sorry really tho!

[mollybrown]

With this line of questioning. I'm hoping that the Logan airport DATE STAMPING system is in sync.

[bambam]

Don't give up, bambam. :love0081:

thanks cat! :love0085:

[kindee]

Lots of parents have loved their kids all the while they were bashing their heads in with a rock or drowning them.:0012:


Well I do suppose a lot of them feel like they are "helping" them to get to a "better place". John List offed his entire family one by one believing he was "helping" his loved ones.

I think NE is just selfish; he may have been contemplating suicide but he wasn't going to leave his wife and child behind so he was going to take them along...to me, sort of the "If I can't have a life they can't either" mentality.

I do believe he killed them but I just can't figure out why---obviously he was in deep financial trouble etc. and likely had some insurance on Rachel, but :confused: about why he felt he had to kill them and not himself. He had to know he was going to be caught, suspected and charged.

AWWWW, he had his wedding ring still on? So what.

Didn't try to hide his features. Big whoop! His family hadn't been discovered dead yet!

[Cornblossom]

sorry bout the OT folks... but y'all KNOW i have a bad habit about it!! LMAO! sorry really tho!
you should be ashamed.....I'd never dream of going off topic...how rude LMAO:67302:

[kindee]

yep. so you know they SURE don't want a 50-something!! course, i'm just talkin bout bartending in a small bar that prolly doesn't see that much business anyway! yesterday, i even went over to the local VFW...they actually have a really nice bar there... and i figure...hey it's all pretty much geezers (like me!) so what the heck?? and even the bartender there was barely 21!!! :faintTHUD:




:friends3:

[gramvof14]

Morning Lovelaw hope everything is well with you today.:11_2_104:

[lovelaw]

What have I missed?? Where is she going with this?? WE ALL KNOW he went to England via that airport!! Seriously, have I missed something while I've been blow drying my hair??

[kindee]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh....yes, David Westerfield :0devil:....another piece of scum who should never have been allowed to roam the Earth freely.

GOOD MORNING CORN!! And Cat and Gram, Bam, Kitty, Lost, and all the others who showed up a bit ago!!~ :love0085:

I hope I said good morning to all who were here earlier as well!~



The prosecution blamed Cody Posey for his dad's Incest Porn too.

I hate when they do that.

:45024:

[lovelaw]

you should be ashamed.....I'd never dream of going off topic...how rude LMAO:67302:

Me either!!

How's the weather this minute Corn???

[kindee]

What have I missed?? Where is she going with this?? WE ALL KNOW he went to England via that airport!! Seriously, have I missed something while I've been blow drying my hair??




She's trying to say NE didn't try to hide the car or his identity; NOT consciousness of guilt.

He didn't look PANICKED in those photos, either. :eyebrow1qb:

[lyndawitha"y]

With this line of questioning. I'm hoping that the Logan airport DATE STAMPING system is in sync.

Well, so far Ms. Page established the Neil had no clue about the security systems/record keeping systems..he really looked calm..cool..collected in that video at the airport..certainly not the distraught, confused, paniky individual the defense wants to portray to the jury..Yowza..he still had his ring on..that means what?..Not sure where the defense is trying to go with all these witnesses..

:eyebrow1qb::duh::groan:

[lovelaw]

Morning Lovelaw hope everything is well with you today.:11_2_104:




SUPER!!~ You too!~:11_2_104:

[mollybrown]

The prosecution blamed Cody Posey for his dad's Incest Porn too.

I hate when they do that.

:45024:


grrrr and Page hasn't even gotten into the "blame the victums", yet. :groan:

[lovelaw]

yep. so you know they SURE don't want a 50-something!! course, i'm just talkin bout bartending in a small bar that prolly doesn't see that much business anyway! yesterday, i even went over to the local VFW...they actually have a really nice bar there... and i figure...hey it's all pretty much geezers (like me!) so what the heck?? and even the bartender there was barely 21!!! :faintTHUD:

Keep on keeping on Bam!~:1222423:

[Cornblossom]

Well I do suppose a lot of them feel like they are "helping" them to get to a "better place". John List offed his entire family one by one believing he was "helping" his loved ones.

I think NE is just selfish; he may have been contemplating suicide but he wasn't going to leave his wife and child behind so he was going to take them along...to me, sort of the "If I can't have a life they can't either" mentality.

I do believe he killed them but I just can't figure out why---obviously he was in deep financial trouble etc. and likely had some insurance on Rachel, but :confused: about why he felt he had to kill them and not himself. He had to know he was going to be caught, suspected and charged.

AWWWW, he had his wedding ring still on? So what.

Didn't try to hide his features. Big whoop! His family hadn't been discovered dead yet!I'll never be able to figure these idgits out.

[lovelaw]

The prosecution blamed Cody Posey for his dad's Incest Porn too.

I hate when they do that.

:45024:

Some....o.k., MOST, have no boundaries, and no shame!~

[mollybrown]

HEY MARY. Nice earrings LOL

[kindee]

grrrr and Page hasn't even gotten into the "blame the victums", yet. :groan:




Well she's hinted at it. Rachel WAS the one with school debts when they got married, she insinuated. Stuff like that. :45024:

[lovelaw]

She's trying to say NE didn't try to hide the car or his identity; NOT consciousness of guilt.

He didn't look PANICKED in those photos, either. :eyebrow1qb:


IMO, the fact that he left, is the issue....not how he looked when he did it.
Why leave when your beloved daughter, and wife have just been murdered in their bed??? I couldn't care less if he looked panicked!~ He left!

Disclaimer:
Venting is not aimed at the quoted poster!!~:grin:

[Cat]

For those of you watching the split screen feed, why do they have a still in the left side? :confused:

[kindee]

I'll never be able to figure these idgits out.




This one REALLY has me baffled. I mean...DMAck had a "reason", Scott P hadn't attached to his unborn baby at all. Mike P was out of $$$---even David Westerfield had a "motive". I am just not getting why this dude had to do this.

This guest on with Lisa? Just said the fact NE had his wedding ring still on is troubling in and of itself; like he just didn't care, period, which is what I'm thinking too.

[Cornblossom]

Me either!!

How's the weather this minute Corn???72 outside 60 inside LMAO

[lovelaw]

Well, so far Ms. Page established the Neil had no clue about the security systems/record keeping systems..he really looked calm..cool..collected in that video at the airport..certainly not the distraught, confused, paniky individual the defense wants to portray to the jury..Yowza..he still had his ring on..that means what?..Not sure where the defense is trying to go with all these witnesses..

:eyebrow1qb::duh::groan:



I'm having the same problem-o lynda. Maybe he is just a complete psychopath!!

[Cat]

Kindee, do sociopaths need a reason?

[kindee]

IMO, the fact that he left, is the issue....not how he looked when he did it.
Why leave when your beloved daughter, and wife have just been murdered in their bed??? I couldn't care less if he looked panicked!~ He left!

Disclaimer:
Venting is not aimed at the quoted poster!!~:grin:



WAH you were YELLING at me! :67302: bwahahaha!

But he didn't look panicked; he seemed to be perfectly calm and functioning and reasoning and planning just fine.

rut roh!

[Cornblossom]

For those of you watching the split screen feed, why do they have a still in the left side? :confused:the guy in mine is moving but the woman looks stoned

[kindee]

Kindee, do sociopaths need a reason?



No but everyone says he was just fine with the baby, seemed to love her and Rachel a lot. I guess he likely is/was a sociopath all along just not pushed to murder to escape the mess he'd made.

Up to then, the act had been working for him I suppose.

[bambam]

my cnn keeps freezing up! anyone else?? ok now it's back.. but it keeps doing it!!!


*thanks for the words of encouragement folks!! i've got a few more minutes before i'm off to see about another job and get some errands done... hopefully i can get back and hang-out for some of the afternoon session!!!

[lovelaw]

This one REALLY has me baffled. I mean...DMAck had a "reason", Scott P hadn't attached to his unborn baby at all. Mike P was out of $$$---even David Westerfield had a "motive". I am just not getting why this dude had to do this.

This guest on with Lisa? Just said the fact NE had his wedding ring still on is troubling in and of itself; like he just didn't care, period, which is what I'm thinking too.

Same here. I am thinking it was the lack of money with which to support them. He may have figured they'd all be better off dead. Also, he may very well have considered killing himself too, but couldn't do it. It's a tough one. I guess they all are, but like you said, all of the others we could figure out more easily.

[Cornblossom]

WAH you were YELLING at me! :67302: bwahahaha!

But he didn't look panicked; he seemed to be perfectly calm and functioning and reasoning and planning just fine.

rut roh!hehe you got yelled at by mom LMAO I'm her favorite

[Karental]

No but everyone says he was just fine with the baby, seemed to love her and Rachel a lot. I guess he likely is/was a sociopath all along just not pushed to murder to escape the mess he'd made.

Up to then, the act had been working for him I suppose.


I think probably he was keeping up the facade - Rachel and Lily were candy that completed the "I'm a successful, handsome, perfect guy" picture...until he wanted something different. Then they were just bad collateral. JMO of course

[lovelaw]

72 outside 60 inside LMAO


LOL!!~ That's the way I like it!~ Actually, that's the way I need it!! LOL! Damn hot flashes!~:45024:<<<<<me fanning myself with my arms!

[gramvof14]

She's trying to say NE didn't try to hide the car or his identity; NOT consciousness of guilt.

He didn't look PANICKED in those photos, either. :eyebrow1qb:
Thats because he has no conscience so he didn't care that he killed his wife and baby, all he cared about was himself and that is all he cares about now. Coward and a creep and a lot of things I can't put on here.:madranting94dp::45024::71541:

[bambam]

LOL!!~ That's the way I like it!~ Actually, that's the way I need it!! LOL! Damn hot flashes!~:45024:<<<<<me fanning myself with my arms!

oh, you TOO, huh?? heeeeee!!!!!!! :girl_haha:

[kindee]

Same here. I am thinking it was the lack of money with which to support them. He may have figured they'd all be better off dead. Also, he may very well have considered killing himself too, but couldn't do it. It's a tough one. I guess they all are, but like you said, all of the others we could figure out more easily.




He must have hit a low point, there must have been a trigger into desperation.

But if he had gone ahead and killed himself it would make more sense.

He doesn't seem to be the cocky individual we sometimes see sitting in that seat but I really haven't seen much of him---none of the Phil Spector yelling to the press about Nazis, none of the Mike Peterson standing there saying Kathleen was his soul mate, none of the Darren Mack posturing and theatrics...maybe he is just a subdued, shy, quiet sociopathic family murderer.

[lovelaw]

WAH you were YELLING at me! :67302: bwahahaha!

But he didn't look panicked; he seemed to be perfectly calm and functioning and reasoning and planning just fine.

rut roh!

LOL!!~:11_2_104:

His lack of panicked behavior etc...., may work against him. Yep...rut roh!

[lovelaw]

the Guy In Mine Is Moving But The Woman Looks Stoned


:67302:

[lovelaw]

hehe you got yelled at by mom LMAO I'm her favorite

:flirt99:

[Cat]

oh, you TOO, huh?? heeeeee!!!!!!! :girl_haha:

I am at my perfect temperature right now, and boy, is that rare! I'm enjoying it. Cool breezes to all of us "women of a certain age." :girl_haha:

[lovelaw]

I think probably he was keeping up the facade - Rachel and Lily were candy that completed the "I'm a successful, handsome, perfect guy" picture...until he wanted something different. Then they were just bad collateral. JMO of course

MORNIN'!!~

Hmmmmmmmm....a fine assessment!~

[StoneFox]

Weinstein looks like the cat that caught the mouse...he just doesn't realize the mouse is only a figment of his imagination. :71541:

[kindee]

I think probably he was keeping up the facade - Rachel and Lily were candy that completed the "I'm a successful, handsome, perfect guy" picture...until he wanted something different. Then they were just bad collateral. JMO of course




Well I think Rachel was, anyway. And she was educated and WORKING so they had a safety net: Rachel. Much like Laci Peterson (also a teacher, right?), until she got pregnant. Suddenly they are liabilities, not money machines (same with Kathleen Peterson, now that I think about it: she was in danger of losing HER big time job and income...)

And then Lily became a sucking money pit. I guess NE saw no other way out--I wonder if they are going to present a trigger of some kind? Like a check that was going to bounce---I'm wondering if Rachel was about to find out Neil had no job nor income nor any hope for one.

Something like that.

[lovelaw]

Thats because he has no conscience so he didn't care that he killed his wife and baby, all he cared about was himself and that is all he cares about now. Coward and a creep and a lot of things I can't put on here.:madranting94dp::45024::71541:

You are probably absolutely on target!~

[bambam]

sawr it???? WHY must they put an R at the end of everything??? lol

[lovelaw]

oh, you TOO, huh?? heeeeee!!!!!!! :girl_haha:

Mmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmm....:kissyface4:

[TigressPen]

Don't you just love how some lawyers use hand expressions, some facial and others voice tone when they question witnesses.

[Cornblossom]

He must have hit a low point, there must have been a trigger into desperation.

But if he had gone ahead and killed himself it would make more sense.

He doesn't seem to be the cocky individual we sometimes see sitting in that seat but I really haven't seen much of him---none of the Phil Spector yelling to the press about Nazis, none of the Mike Peterson standing there saying Kathleen was his soul mate, none of the Darren Mack posturing and theatrics...maybe he is just a subdued, shy, quiet sociopathic family murderer.I don't think he's that flashy...neither is his parents...which is good for his case.....but it still doesn't answer why he never called 911 when he found them-he ain't that bashful!

[Cat]

sawr it???? WHY must they put an R at the end of everything??? lol

It's the eastern way. Gramv, do you talk like that?

[kindee]

LOL!!~:11_2_104:

His lack of panicked behavior etc...., may work against him. Yep...rut roh!



Did any of that seem done by someone "panicking"? Can you imagine even looking for a parking spot at Logan airport in a "panicked" state? Hey, that's where I was when I almost got in a fight with Jerry Springer---waiting for a flight to Ireland. :girl_haha: You wouldn't do well at Logan airport if you were in a panicked state.

jmo! :grin:

[bambam]

Don't you just love how some lawyers use hand expressions, some facial and others voice tone when they question witnesses.

lol TP...i'm one of those "hand" ppl!! my students used to imitate me all the time! it was hilarious!! :67302:

[Cat]

You almost got in a fight with Jerry Springer? What was it about? Tell, tell.

[kindee]

Weinstein looks like the cat that caught the mouse...he just doesn't realize the mouse is only a figment of his imagination. :71541:




If he's going to act like that he'd better have The Real Killer up his sleeve.

:madranting94dp:

[lovelaw]

He must have hit a low point, there must have been a trigger into desperation.

But if he had gone ahead and killed himself it would make more sense.

He doesn't seem to be the cocky individual we sometimes see sitting in that seat but I really haven't seen much of him---none of the Phil Spector yelling to the press about Nazis, none of the Mike Peterson standing there saying Kathleen was his soul mate, none of the Darren Mack posturing and theatrics...maybe he is just a subdued, shy, quiet sociopathic family murderer.

I go back and forth on his motivation, and his make up. As you say, he doesn't look like a lot of the defendants we've seen sitting in that seat. And, he has done little that proves the sociopath theory. I guess that is what is so scary about true sociopaths....we never see them coming. But still. I feel like something pushed him.

[Cat]

lol TP...i'm one of those "hand" ppl!! my students used to imitate me all the time! it was hilarious!! :67302:

I always tell my husband if I tied his hands behind his back, he'd be speechless. :girl_haha: I thought women were supposed to do that more.

[Cornblossom]

Mmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmm....:kissyface4:
it's power surges not hot flashes lmao

[bambam]

I don't think he's that flashy...neither is his parents...which is good for his case.....but it still doesn't answer why he never called 911 when he found them-he ain't that bashful!

THAT right there is what REALLY makes think he's guilty! there's just NO way an 'innocent' person walks in... finds their spouse and child dead on the bed.... and just leaves!!!! nope! not buyin it!! :lex_10:

[lovelaw]

I am at my perfect temperature right now, and boy, is that rare! I'm enjoying it. Cool breezes to all of us "women of a certain age." :girl_haha:


:zm10:<<<<and a cool beverage!~

[Cat]

it's power surges not hot flashes lmao

Right, Corny. :yes2:

[gramvof14]

He must have hit a low point, there must have been a trigger into desperation.

But if he had gone ahead and killed himself it would make more sense.

He doesn't seem to be the cocky individual we sometimes see sitting in that seat but I really haven't seen much of him---none of the Phil Spector yelling to the press about Nazis, none of the Mike Peterson standing there saying Kathleen was his soul mate, none of the Darren Mack posturing and theatrics...maybe he is just a subdued, shy, quiet sociopathic family murderer.
And maybe Rachel found out about his lying ways and his sick mind and told him she wanted a divorce.thats the million dollar question.:madranting94dp::duh:

[lovelaw]

Well I think Rachel was, anyway. And she was educated and WORKING so they had a safety net: Rachel. Much like Laci Peterson (also a teacher, right?), until she got pregnant. Suddenly they are liabilities, not money machines (same with Kathleen Peterson, now that I think about it: she was in danger of losing HER big time job and income...)

And then Lily became a sucking money pit. I guess NE saw no other way out--I wonder if they are going to present a trigger of some kind? Like a check that was going to bounce---I'm wondering if Rachel was about to find out Neil had no job nor income nor any hope for one.

Something like that.

WELL DONE!~ You two work well together.....when you're not sitting on each other!~

[Cat]

:zm10:<<<<and a cool beverage!~

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j257/midnightmewse/Smilies/Champagne.gif A toast, Lovelaw!

[lovelaw]

Don't you just love how some lawyers use hand expressions, some facial and others voice tone when they question witnesses.


Yes!! And some, ALL of the above!~

:0012:

[Cornblossom]

THAT right there is what REALLY makes think he's guilty! there's just NO way an 'innocent' person walks in... finds their spouse and child dead on the bed.... and just leaves!!!! nope! not buyin it!! :lex_10:
sometime during the flight he should have stopped panicing and tell the flight attendant to turn the plane around his family was dead.

[lovelaw]

I don't think he's that flashy...neither is his parents...which is good for his case.....but it still doesn't answer why he never called 911 when he found them-he ain't that bashful!

Right. There are so many things he could have, should have, done differently. Nothing makes sense....except, that he must have done it.

[StoneFox]

Is this lunch, or just the break? I am trying to schedule my RL activities around the breaks :girl_haha: Maybe I can catch most of today's testimony that way.

[TigressPen]

lol TP...i'm one of those "hand" ppl!! my students used to imitate me all the time! it was hilarious!! :67302:


:67302: I like facial expressions most with lawyers. Voice usually sends the wrong messages and hands can be rather comical that can distract you and you lose what is being said. Too busy watching to listen. :girl_haha: