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Tracian
12-17-2007, 08:12 PM
Should they ever be parolled? Was justice served? What happened to the children?

here is a bit of background:

Mr. and Mrs. America--you are wrong. I am not the King of the Jews nor am I a hippie cult leader. I am what you have made me and the mad dog devil killer fiend leper is a reflection of your society. . .Whatever the outcome of this madness that you call a fair trial or Christian justice, you can know this: In my mind's eye my thoughts light fires in your cities."
--Charles Manson's statement after his conviction
for the Tate-LaBianca murders.

The Charles Manson (Tate-LaBianca Murder) Trial
by Doug Linder (2002)
In the annals of crime, there might never have been a more bizarre motive for killing than that revealed in the 1970-71 trial of four Manson "Family" members. In the twisted mind of thirty-four-year-old Charles Manson, a wave of bloody killings of high-society types in Los Angeles would be the spark that would set off a revolution by blacks against the white establishment. When "blackie," as Manson called black people, proved unable to govern, they would turn to Manson and his tribe of followers, who would have survived "Helter Skelter" by hiding out in an underground cave in the Death Valley area of California while the chaos raged above.
Manson's vision never materialized. Instead, he and several of his followers found themselves convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to death in one of the strangest trials the strange state of California has ever witnessed.

THE ROAD TO SPAHN RANCH

Manson's early life marked him for trouble. The illegitimate son of a a heavy drinking, promiscuous sixteen-year-old girl from Cincinnati--who would enter prison for armed robbery when Charles was five--, Manson spent most of his life in institutions. By age thirteen, he had committed his first crime, the burglary of a grocery store. The next nineteen years were a parade of crimes, apprehensions, incarcerations, escapes, and paroles. Most of the crimes were non-violent, the major exception being Manson's 1952 sodomization of a boy while holding a razor to his throat.

Psychiatrists saw Manson as "a very emotionally upset youth," "slick" but "extremely sensitive" (1951), "dangerous" with "homosexual and assaultive tendencies" (1952), having "an unstable personality" but being potentially able "to straighten himself out" (1955), being "unable to control himself" with "a tendency to cut up" (1956), having "work habits that range from good to poor" (1957), being "erratic and moody" and "a classic text book case of a correctional institution inmate" (1958), as an "energetic person" who hides "his loneliness, resentment and hostility behind a facade of superficial ingratiation" (1961), being "emotionally insecure" and tending to "involve himself in various fanatical interests" (1963), and, finally, as "in need of a great deal of help in the transition from institution to the free world" (1966).

Manson was scheduled for release on March 21, 1967, following completion of a ten-year sentence for forging a Treasury check. Manson begged prison officials to allow him to stay--prison, he told them, was his home. Unable to comply, the State of California released Charles Manson. He headed north to the Haight-Ashbury section of San Francisco. Within months of his arrival, "the Family" had begun to form around him.

The activities of the Family included sexual orgies, hallucinogenic drug trips, and frequent sermons by Manson on the meaning of Beatles' music and the coming of Helter Skelter. Manson dominated Family life, even to the extent of telling members who they could have sex with. No one questioned his authority. Many Family members seemed even to see Manson as having "Christ-like" characteristics, a perception Manson encouraged by often asking, "Don't you know who I am?"

After traveling a circuitous route around the American West in an old school bus for nearly eighteen months, the Family moved into a series of residences in the Los Angeles area in 1969. It was at Spahn Ranch, a ramshackle collection of movie-set buildings in the Simi Hills northwest of Los Angeles, where Manson developed his murderous plan to set off Helter Skelter.

THE TATE-LABIANCA MURDERS

On the afternoon of August 8, 1969, Manson set his plan in motion. Calling together several Family members, Manson announced, "Now is the time for Helter Skelter." That evening he told three female members of the Family--Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, and Linda Kasabian--to get an additional change of clothes, a knife, and a driver's license. Manson discussed details of his plan with a fourth Family member, Charles "Tex" Watson before all four piled into an old Ford. As they drove down the driveway of the ranch, Manson stuck his head in the car window and told them "to leave a sign." He said, "You girls know what I mean, something witchy." Although Tex understood his mission fully, the three women knew neither their destination nor that the night was destined for murder.

Forty-five minutes or so later, shortly after midnight on August 9, the group pulled up in front of the Bel Air residence of actress Sharon Tate, famous for her recent role in the movie Valley of the Dolls. Tate shared the home with her husband, director Roman Polanski, who was in London at the time working on his next film project, The Day of the Dolphin. In his absence, two friends were staying at the large home at 10050 Cielo Drive, including coffee heiress Abigail Folger and her lover, Voytek Frykowski. Also in the home that night was hair stylist Jay Sebring, a friend of Tate's.

After Tex cut the telephone wires leading to the Tate home, the four scrambled over the fence at the bottom of the property and began heading up the hill leading to the residence. A car pulled up the driveway. Tex leaped forward, stuck his hand through the car window, aimed at the driver's head, and pulled the trigger four times. The first victim in the Tate-LaBianca killings was eighteen-year-old Steven Parent, in the wrong place at the wrong time. While Kasabian waited below by the car, the other three Family members entered the Tate home. Within minutes, the screams began. Watson would later describe the next four victims "as running around the place like chickens with their heads cut off."

In all, the four victims received 102 stab wounds. Sharon Tate was the last to die, knived by Watson while she was held down by Susan Atkins. Atkins said later that she tasted Tate's blood and found it to be "warm and sticky." She took some of Tate's blood and used it to scrawl, on the porch wall, "PIG."

The next morning, a maid arriving at the Tate home left screaming, "Murder! Death! Bodies! Blood!" Within hours, investigators discovered two badly mutilated bodies on the lawn of the Tate residence, those of Folger and Frykowski. Inside, near a couch in the living room, they discovered the bloody pregnant body of Tate and, with a rope around his neck and a bloody towel over his face, Jay Sebring.

Manson, meanwhile, expressed his displeasure with the attack at the Tate residence. Too messy, he thought. He decided to accompany the next Helter Skelter mission, which he scheduled for that very night. In addition to the four Family members from the previous night's mission, Manson was joined by Clem Tufts and Leslie Van Houten. Manson ordered Kasabian to cruise the neighborhoods of Los Angeles, in search for potential victims, before settling on the home of Leno and and Rosemary LaBianca. Watson, Krenwinkel, and Van Houten were the killers chosen by Manson. As they left the car, Manson told them: "Don't let them know you are going to kill them."

Police found Leno LaBianca with a knife lodged in his throat, twelve stab wounds, and seven pairs of fork wounds. The word "WAR" had been carved on his stomach. Rosemary LaBianca was found with multiple stab wounds in her chest and neck. On the LaBianca's living room wall, written in blood, were the words "DEATH TO PIGS" and "RISE." On the refrigerator door was written, "HEALTER SKELTER."

the rest at the link: http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/manson/mansonstatements.html#1986

rockford2
12-17-2007, 08:17 PM
I saw on the Biography channel, the ladies who were followers of Manson. With the exception of Lynette (Squeaky) (forget her last name) all of the others seem to have gotten their heads on straight. Made me wonder if they saw shrinks.

IF they were to be released on parole, they might actually because productive citizens in society......but I highly doubt that they will ever be released.

As for Manson? He should have received the death penalty and been dead YEARS ago. JMO.

Tracian
12-17-2007, 08:22 PM
I just don't trust them. Tex Watson is still a piece of work, IMO.

Fromme, is Squeaky's last name, found this link:

http://crime.about.com/od/murder/p/squeaky.htm

I have not found anything about what happened to the children. I remember reading or hearing that their family heritage was 'sealed' and they went out for adoption.

rockford2
12-17-2007, 08:44 PM
I just don't trust them. Tex Watson is still a piece of work, IMO.

Fromme, is Squeaky's last name, found this link:

http://crime.about.com/od/murder/p/squeaky.htm

I have not found anything about what happened to the children. I remember reading or hearing that their family heritage was 'sealed' and they went out for adoption.


I haven't heard or read anything on Watson........come to think of it, I don't remember him being mentioned on that Biography segment.

One of the "girls" came from money. I think it was Kremwinkle. She looks like she has faired much better than the others.

Tracian
12-17-2007, 08:47 PM
Watson is a born again...*choke cough* but don't all cold blooded murderers claim that when parole is the light at the end of the tunnel?

I will search for links, but on the radio, several months ago, a show was discussing this, and IIRC, Manson still has followers new and younger, as well as, those that are spending time, for the most part will not speak 'completely ill' of him.

Scary...and they say only in death martyrs are made.

rockford2
12-17-2007, 09:05 PM
Watson is a born again...*choke cough* but don't all cold blooded murderers claim that when parole is the light at the end of the tunnel?

I will search for links, but on the radio, several months ago, a show was discussing this, and IIRC, Manson still has followers new and younger, as well as, those that are spending time, for the most part will not speak 'completely ill' of him.

Scary...and they say only in death martyrs are made.

he still has followers? Like I said, they should have done away with Manson YEARS ago.

Remember how Columbo claimed to have found God too? LOL.....what a joke. Too bad they don't find God BEFORE they commit these murders! :mad:

Tracian
12-17-2007, 09:11 PM
he still has followers? Like I said, they should have done away with Manson YEARS ago.

Remember how Columbo claimed to have found God too? LOL.....what a joke. Too bad they don't find God BEFORE they commit these murders! :mad:


How does this strike you:

Charles Manson aka Jesus Christ
He has been dubbed "The most dangerous man alive". Charles Manson has been persecuted relentlessly. We call him the devil. He is the reason society is so bad.
Does this sound familiar? This sounds like the same accounts towards Jesus Christ by the Roman Empire 2000 years ago. As they have nailed Christ to the cross, we have nailed Charles Manson to the cross. Could it be that Charles Manson and Jesus Christ are the same person? If you know anything about these two, the answer is: Most likely.
Let us take a look at these two. Both Jesus Christ and Charles Manson led a cult that still thrives to this very day. Christ's followers are still preaching his words, as do Christ's followers. And each cult are growing as time goes by. Both "Christianity" and "The Manson Family" will be here forever. As old followers die out, new followers will take their place to carry on the words of both Jesus Christ and Charles Manson.
If we looked past the usual stereotype against Charles Manson, we can see that the preachings of Manson is identical to that of Jesus Christ. Hasn't Jesus spoke about the power of love? And also, isn't that what Charlie used for his motto?? Charles Manson has said "In love, you do no wrong." Wouldn't Jesus agree? In fact, would Jesus apply to that? In truth, yes!
Now, it's time to unveil the infamy of Charles Manson and Jesus Christ. Yes, both of them are wanted for influencing murder. Charles Manson has led the Tate-LaBianca murders as Jesus Christ led the city of Jericho, town of Salem murders. In both incidents, people were to die for their "sins".
Because of this, both Manson and Christ have been the victims of injustice due to the courts and trials. During the trial, Manson was denied the right to defend himself. Instead, we have hung him up onto the cross.
People, for years, have called Charlie "A silly old fool who knows absolutely nothing." Is that true? No, absolutely not!! Charles Manson is also a human being like us, might we remind you. He has a brian, he knows what's going on. We'd rather listen to Charlie's words than some finatic priest. Manson knows and has expierenced hardships in life too.
Your society has caused Charles Manson to become what he is today. If you'd listen to him in the beginning, the world wouldn't have a Charles Manson.
To put a long topic short, man is known to create gods. Man has then created Jesus Christ, man has also created Charles Manson. Therefore, Charles Manson IS Jesus Christ!

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/lucifer666/charliechrist.html

LiveLaughLuv
12-18-2007, 07:20 AM
This man is a whacko. He has vengance for all of society, I'd imagine it has to do with his upbringing. His mother a prostitute, so I doubt he knew his father. He was in and out of jails from a very young age. They claim he is charismatic and has the power to have folk fall at his feet.

He was very lucky the DP was abolished and his sentence converted to life. He should have died long ago. I do not like to use the DP, but in this case, I'd make an exception.

I know they, (the manson crew) will never be free. There is no way on earth any parole board will let this rhyming, verse shouting POS ever leave prison.

Most of the ladies have done something with themselves and I'll bet they got caught up in the moment. Why? Beats the hell out of me. They too will never be free. I guess they should just keep doing what they are doing, in the end, the man upstairs will pass judgement as they pass their last breath.

Ross
12-18-2007, 08:20 AM
I dont think any of the Manson family should ever have seen the light of day as a free person.....

rockford2
12-18-2007, 08:22 AM
I dont think any of the Manson family should ever have seen the light of day as a free person.....

Scary to think that there are new members walking around though. :a1chic:

LiveLaughLuv
12-18-2007, 08:50 AM
Scary to think that there are new members walking around though. :a1chic:

As long as he's alive, he'll have followers.

I watched a program last night on the Latin Kings. The big kahuna is still giving orders from jail. Had many people killed because he thought they were doing him wrong or trying to make their own gang and become the head kahuna.

His letters were intercepted, the authorities were able to figure out his codes in the letters, and arrested him again for like 30 murders.

Maybe the prison officials need to do this here. Keep tabs on Manson and make sure he is not giving orders while in prison. I tell you, the way the criminal mind works, they will find a way behind bars to continue their strange behaviors.

Ross
12-18-2007, 09:09 AM
As long as he's alive, he'll have followers.

I watched a program last night on the Latin Kings. The big kahuna is still giving orders from jail. Had many people killed because he thought they were doing him wrong or trying to make their own gang and become the head kahuna.

His letters were intercepted, the authorities were able to figure out his codes in the letters, and arrested him again for like 30 murders.

Maybe the prison officials need to do this here. Keep tabs on Manson and make sure he is not giving orders while in prison. I tell you, the way the criminal mind works, they will find a way behind bars to continue their strange behaviors.

Making shure that orders arent given to the outside world is not eazy.You can slow it down but you will never stop it,having 24/7/365 they do get over on you.
So in MO ,this is why when found guilty people like Manson & his family should have bin put down.To bad that Calif. didnt have the D.P. at the time.

Howard64
12-20-2007, 01:49 PM
Charles Manson...


I have read a great deal about this person. He is right where he belongs. He spent most of his life in prison and when he was in society, he abused that right by orchestrating the deaths of the Tate's and Labianca's.

Very unstable individual. Infact you can see it in his eyes.

Manson most likely still has followers, he always will. But then again famous figures in prison usually do. (at least that i have observed)

There are folks who idolize Richard Ramirez, Manson...and im sure there are others. These individuals are MASTERS of manipulation. They can control their "puppets" from inside the prison easily.

For example in one trial, Manson sat quietly waiting for the trial to continue. The jury who had been squestered and kept from public opinion sat quietly in the proceedings one day. Manso looked right at the jury and held up a newspaper with HIS headlines on the front page, which inturn caused a legal snag and i think a mistrial was called. I would have to re-read the subject material.

But he KNEW what he was doing! Just like alot of these convicts know.

you really have to watch your back anymore.

Tempus Fugit
12-23-2007, 10:56 AM
Making shure that orders arent given to the outside world is not eazy.You can slow it down but you will never stop it,having 24/7/365 they do get over on you.
So in MO ,this is why when found guilty people like Manson & his family should have bin put down.To bad that Calif. didnt have the D.P. at the time.

Manson was given the death penalty originally, then the State of California abolished the DP and Manson's sentence was commuted to life.

Ross
12-23-2007, 11:07 AM
Manson was given the death penalty originally, then the State of California abolished the DP and Manson's sentence was commuted to life.


I did not know they had it at that time.When they abolished the DP they should have put C.M.& his followers down first.
Now that they have the DP on the books again they should put him down.

Tempus Fugit
12-23-2007, 11:11 AM
1955 Manson marries Rosalie Willis, a waitress from Wheeling. The couple produces a child, Charles, Jr. Manson works as a parking-lot attendant and busboy--and steals cars. In October, he is arrested for auto theft and sentenced to five years probation

So Manson has a child who'd be 52 now? ?

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/manson/mansonchrono.html

Tempus Fugit
12-23-2007, 11:13 AM
I did not know they had it at that time.When they abolished the DP they should have put C.M.& his followers down first.
Now that they have the DP on the books again they should put him down.

February 18, 1972 The California Supreme Court declares the death penalty unconstitutional and Manson's sentence is automatically reduced to life in prison.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/manson/mansonchrono.html

Manson won't be facing the death penalty again since his original sentence was commuted.

Tempus Fugit
12-23-2007, 11:16 AM
1963 After fathering a second child, Charles Luther Manson, Manson is again divorced.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/manson/mansonchrono.html

:shock::shock:

Tempus Fugit
12-23-2007, 11:18 AM
Children
Sons: Charles Milles Manson, Jr. (b. 1955 - d. committed suicide in 1993)
Charles Luther Manson
Valentine "Pooh Bear" Michael Manson (b. April 1, 1968, Topanga Canyon, Los Angeles, California)

http://www.accuracyproject.org/cbe-Manson,Charles.html

He fathered 3 children.

Tracian
12-23-2007, 05:18 PM
Children
Sons: Charles Milles Manson, Jr. (b. 1955 - d. committed suicide in 1993)
Charles Luther Manson
Valentine "Pooh Bear" Michael Manson (b. April 1, 1968, Topanga Canyon, Los Angeles, California)

http://www.accuracyproject.org/cbe-Manson,Charles.html

He fathered 3 children.


Tempus,

Wasn't there a lot of children at the ranch? Even if they were not all fathered by 'Charlie' I thought that several children where there.

Thanks for the info on the three he fathered.

Hope
12-23-2007, 05:32 PM
I wonder if the oldest child commited suicide because of who his father was?

Tempus Fugit
12-23-2007, 06:35 PM
Tempus,

Wasn't there a lot of children at the ranch? Even if they were not all fathered by 'Charlie' I thought that several children where there.

Thanks for the info on the three he fathered.


Yes Tracian, there were quite a few children on that ranch. The three that were linked in an earlier post are children that Manson and/or their mothers had ackowledged were his and as far as the others on the ranch, IIRC many of those were his as well, although never publicly acknowledged as such (sorry, I haven't got a link handy right now).

Tracian
12-23-2007, 06:53 PM
Yes Tracian, there were quite a few children on that ranch. The three that were linked in an earlier post are children that Manson and/or their mothers had ackowledged were his and as far as the others on the ranch, IIRC many of those were his as well, although never publicly acknowledged as such (sorry, I haven't got a link handy right now).


Thanks, just wanted to be sure that I was remembering correctly.

ChristaLeeBee
12-23-2007, 10:10 PM
IIRC, didn't many of Manson's 'girls' have children of their own before even joining the 'family'?

Does anyone know what became of the son ( Zezozecee Zadfrack) born to Susan Atkins in October of '68 while she was an active member? I seem to recall watching an episode of A Current Affair back in 1988 or '89 where he ( her son ) appeared. He had been adopted and of course, had his name changed.

If the numbers are correct, he will be forty years old this next October.

I wonder if he is in any way in contact with either his mother, or his biological father ( not Manson ).

Anyone?

Tempus Fugit
12-23-2007, 11:31 PM
IIRC, didn't many of Manson's 'girls' have children of their own before even joining the 'family'?

Does anyone know what became of the son ( Zezozecee Zadfrack) born to Susan Atkins in October of '68 while she was an active member? I seem to recall watching an episode of A Current Affair back in 1988 or '89 where he ( her son ) appeared. He had been adopted and of course, had his name changed.

If the numbers are correct, he will be forty years old this next October.

I wonder if he is in any way in contact with either his mother, or his biological father ( not Manson ).

Anyone?


Hi Christa, where did you read that Manson isn't that boy's father?

ETA "Meanwhile, a doctor adopted Susan's son Zezozecee Zadfrack, whose name was changed to Paul"

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:SRwK7qB6xYoJ:www.dhall813.com/Sociology/Deviance/mansoninfo.doc+Zezozecee+Zadfrack+what+happened+to +him&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca

ChristaLeeBee
12-24-2007, 12:18 AM
Hi Tempus!

I believe I originally read this on IMDB, but allow me to double check the source.

ChristaLeeBee
12-24-2007, 12:21 AM
OK, here's what I found on IMDB pertaining to Susan's son:

"In October of 1968, Susan Atkins gave birth to a boy either she or Manson (who was not the father) she tagged with the strange name "Zezozecee Zadfrack." She took refuge after the birth at the a religious retreat called Fountain Of The World. In less than It was believed that she more than once a year, Zezozecee's mother would play a part in one of the most infamous murder sprees in American criminal history."

From: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1366013/bio

And thanks for the info. you provided Tempus! :)

Tempus Fugit
12-24-2007, 12:26 AM
OK, here's what I found on IMDB pertaining to Susan's son:

"In October of 1968, Susan Atkins gave birth to a boy either she or Manson (who was not the father) she tagged with the strange name "Zezozecee Zadfrack." She took refuge after the birth at the a religious retreat called Fountain Of The World. In less than It was believed that she more than once a year, Zezozecee's mother would play a part in one of the most infamous murder sprees in American criminal history."

From: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1366013/bio

And thanks for the info. you provided Tempus! :)


YVW Christa.

Yes, I'd read earlier what you've posted but am still not sure that Manson is not the father. Atkins met Manson in 1967 and her son was born in 1968. She was a devout follower of Manson as well. It wouldn't be at all surprising to learn that denying Manson was the father was done to protect the child.

In any event, there doesn't seem to be much more out there about this child of hers. :0009:

african grey
02-25-2008, 07:39 PM
YVW Christa.

Yes, I'd read earlier what you've posted but am still not sure that Manson is not the father. Atkins met Manson in 1967 and her son was born in 1968. She was a devout follower of Manson as well. It wouldn't be at all surprising to learn that denying Manson was the father was done to protect the child.

In any event, there doesn't seem to be much more out there about this child of hers. :0009:


Has anyone read the book Healter Skelter. It is a long book but full of information about The Family and Manson and his followers. There were several children at the ranch, some supposedly fathered by Manson. When they were all arrested the children were taken away from the mothers and put in foster care and their records have been sealed. I don't know if the children are allowed to see them since they are grown but it probably would not do them any good emotionally to know these people are their parents.

I remember very well when these murders happened. Patricia Krenwinkle was picked up in Mobile, Alabama, to close for me, I live in Alabama. I remember everyone being scared, sort of like an underlying uneasiness at the time, probably because these were the most horrific murders the whole country had been exposed to in such detail on television and in the papers.

Is Manson the most dangerous man alive now? I don't think so. Don't get me wrong, he is dangerous and needs to stay right where he is. I would not want to wake up one morning and find that any of these people had moved in next door to me. But since then we as a country have been subjected to much more dangerous people than Charles Manson. All we have to do is look at the evening news, we had Ted Bundy, The BTK killer, the Zodiac, Al Queida, The Green River Killer, just to name a few of the serial killers that have been thrust upon us since Manson. Manson had weird ideas and he wanted to be a singer. Terry Melcher, Doris Day's son, was a record producer and lived at 10050 Ceilo Drive with Candace Burgen at the time. Melcher told Manson he was not good enough and cut him off. Manson sent his merry crew back there thinking Terry Melcher still lived there, instead they found Sharon Tate and Company. The crew did what they were told, kill everyone on the place and torture them.

If you havne't read the book it is very good.

JMHO
AG

TeeOne
02-26-2008, 12:45 PM
AG - Yes, I read the book a long time ago. Maybe I will pick it back up and start over. The Manson crimes has always stayed with me since I married in 69 and had my son in 70. I remember to this day how horrific and totally unblieveable the crime was at that time. Like you mention, if it happened today, it wouldn't be nealy as strange.

Texas53
02-26-2008, 05:15 PM
I watched a show on MSNBC (can't remember the title) it was about the one and only time Manson was allowed to do an interview. A woman reporter did the interview with just her & Manson in a room at the prison being watched. An FBI agent/profiler, along the the commentator (I have CRS cant remember his name but heis the one that does the perverts who go meet kids for sex) discussed Manson. The agent said that Manson is evil but not crazy. It was very interesting. If I had been that woman reporter there is no way in this world it would have been just me & Manson!

Sharon Tate's mother used to go to every parole hearing for Manson and his crew when they came up. I think she died some years back. Vincent Bugliosi, the former Asst. DA that prosecuted Manson, makes sure he attends the meetings. Anyone who was alive when that happened and remembers, should want to be sure these people never get out. As time goes on and more people pass on, then those left behind will not know much about the case and one day they might be set free. JMHO

african grey
02-26-2008, 08:16 PM
I watched a show on MSNBC (can't remember the title) it was about the one and only time Manson was allowed to do an interview. A woman reporter did the interview with just her & Manson in a room at the prison being watched. An FBI agent/profiler, along the the commentator (I have CRS cant remember his name but heis the one that does the perverts who go meet kids for sex) discussed Manson. The agent said that Manson is evil but not crazy. It was very interesting. If I had been that woman reporter there is no way in this world it would have been just me & Manson!

Sharon Tate's mother used to go to every parole hearing for Manson and his crew when they came up. I think she died some years back. Vincent Bugliosi, the former Asst. DA that prosecuted Manson, makes sure he attends the meetings. Anyone who was alive when that happened and remembers, should want to be sure these people never get out. As time goes on and more people pass on, then those left behind will not know much about the case and one day they might be set free. JMHO

I have seen that show. It is a pretty good show. Also I have seen the Manson Women on A&E. It shows all of them as they look now. Susan Atkins is supposedly a born again christian. Patricia Krenwinkle and Leslie Van Houton both finished their education and work in the prison and help teach classes. On the show you see one of the parole hearings and Krenwinkle cries and apologizes but it dosen't get her anywhere. I don't think any of them will ever get out of jail. The book The Family is also a pretty good book but the one Bugliosi wrote is still the best source of info on this.

Sharon Tate's sister goes to the parole hearings now that her mother has passed away, she plans to make sure these people do not go free. I remember when this happened and then when the trial was going on. It is one of the most fascinating, creepy, horrible, crimes anyone has ever committed. Every time I lose someone I love or even that I know I wonder why these people are still alive when my loved one had to die. It just does not make sense to me. I hope to live long enough to see Charles Manson die.

AG