Supreme Court Reverses Giles Case!

[wi_twin_mom]

This could have implications for Mark Jensen!

http://www.kenoshanews.com/article_comments/view_comments.php?articleNum=969698912
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/25/dead.witness.ap/index.html Thanks to dojewo for this last link.

[wi_twin_mom]

I haven't liked any of the rulings that have come out from the Supreme Court lately!!!:madranting94dp: MJ better not get a new trial out of this! There was so much other evidence to convict him!

[johnielee333]

oh no !!!!!!!
i hope this isnt good news for jensen :madranting94dp:

[kellabeck]

That is just garbage!! Kill the witness and then claim you didn't have the chance to cross examine???

[wi_twin_mom]

That is just garbage!! Kill the witness and then claim you didn't have the chance to cross examine???

ITA This is another way the courts can "rape" the victim's family!!! For Julie and her family. :1222423:

[kindee]

I am horrified, petrified and SCREAMING mad! This is outrageous.

[bambam]

I am horrified, petrified and SCREAMING mad! This is outrageous.

what you said!!! :thud2:

[J Juror]

what you said!!! :thud2:

:groan: Go Figure. I am going to call Ms. Gabrielle. Be back in a few minutes.

[wi_twin_mom]

:groan: Go Figure. I am going to call Ms. Gabrielle. Be back in a few minutes.

Good luck! I finally got through to Ed and left a message. Waiting for him to call back.

[J Juror]

:groan: Go Figure. I am going to call Ms. Gabrielle. Be back in a few minutes.

I had to leave a message. Is anybody here??

[dojewo]

Just stopping by for a minute, I didn't know if you all saw this article.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=766306

[wi_twin_mom]

Here's a video of ma and pa Jensen from an interview yesterday.
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/21583004.html
Click on the big blue video button to play it.:puke:

[J Juror]

Thank You for the articles. Interesting. Wonder where a 2nd trial will be and when. They could not have the trial in Kenosha because it just wouldn't be fair. Had the trial in Walworth County and of course we were not fair either. So where can Mark go for a fair trial?

[johnielee333]

i posted this in the entwhisle thread but i thought i should bring it over here where it belongs.
this is terrible. lets hope & pray mark jensen doesnt get a new trial. but for real, if he does, the jury will still find him guilty without julie's letter. they had plenty of evidence that clearly pointed to mark as being the one that killed her.

A :1222423: For Julie & family

[lost indie]

There was a local guy, David Duyst who is serving life for murder..

his wife left a note too..

http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/2000/sep/09-20-2000/news/17.html

[wi_twin_mom]

There was a local guy, David Duyst who is serving life for murder..

his wife left a note too..

http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/2000/sep/09-20-2000/news/17.html

Very interesting LI! The shot in the head twice thing is what stands out! Wow! He has enough evidence to keep him in prison, just like, I hope MJ.

[wi_twin_mom]

Today, 12:04 PM #488
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You also have Mark saying Julie was depressed. Yes she had depression years prior, Mark did not allow her to live till her appointment on Friday to be seen by a professioal. So nobody knows just how depressed Julie was. I am no doctor, but I really think Julie was scared and afraid of what Mark was doing. That is fear not depression. But Mark and his parents are the one's saying Julie was depressed. None of her close friends or co workers noticed it. Why did Mark and Kelly lie about their realtionship? Why did Mark say he went to "work" that morning. Nobody from the office seen him there. The computer searches were done in the home and at Mark's office. Julie was not at the office searching the crap. The neighbor Mr. Wojt seen Mark that morning several times and remembers Mark's tunnel vision. Also Dad Jensen was seen in the backyard of Mark & Julie and the next day the police were there investigating a prowler? You have Mark in jail trying to have Mr. Klug "sat on" along with his parents and inmate David Thompson and his girlfriend. Why if your wife commited suicide. I do not think Julie talked to Mr. Klug about Mark, or how depressed she was. Mr. Klug only heard all that from Mark. That is not a situation like Aaron Dillard, who could have read documents and put it together. Let's not forget Mark's sister Laura as she kept her distance from her parents during the trial and sentancing. She knows Mark did it. Mark screwed up so much with his own mouth and actions and none of it can be undone. I hope he gets a new trial and that jury finds not only he is guilty--But also say's he suffocated Julie as well. Sorry for ranting.

I had to bring your post here J Juror. Standing ovation smiley >>>>:happy0207:

[TigressPen]

I feel he will get a new trial because of the juror statements to media after the verdict was read. The letter Julie wrote with the note she photographed is what caused her to make up her mind about guilt.

And it will, yet again, be a slap in the face of Julie's family and friends. :mad::madranting94dp:

[KellBell]

This is crap, I just sent an email to Patrick letting him know we all still care and are watching the developments and praying for the best.

[J Juror]

This is crap, I just sent an email to Patrick letting him know we all still care and are watching the developments and praying for the best.

There were a couple of jurors that were hung untill the picture of the list and Julie's letter were put together. That opened their eyes. If that did not happen it would have been a hung jury. But if you really listened to the witnesses--several of them verified unknowenly what that letter contained. Her friends and co workers verified their own bits of it. Plus neighbors who had witnessed Marks actions weeks before Julie's death. The letter was an eye opener-- it was not the entire case. Important evidence yes--the only evidence- no. Mr. Albee was really banking on people not remembering what had happened way back when. That bit him when the one women from Marks office she remembers what time she took her lunch break. Mark told lies to many people and that is on record and it will follow him forever. Those peole will never forget what thier friend Julie went through. Some cried on the stand-they will never forget what happened. I did not know any of them in 1998, but the events of Dec. 3, 1998 are etched in my mind. Sorry if I am ranting.

[wi_twin_mom]

Here is an article from the Kenosha News by Jessica Hansen. She was the reporter that we saw in the courtroom everyday.

She interviewed Jambois and Albee for this article. I will be able to sleep tonight because of what Jambois said, and I quote: "That leaves me pretty optimistic that Mark Jensen's conviction will survive." :zm10:

http://www.kenoshanews.com/article_comments/view_comments.php?articleNum=3161917

[wi_twin_mom]

This article is a little more technical. Check out the comment that is at the end. It's worth reading!

http://www.wislawjournal.com/article.cfm/2008/06/30/Supreme-Court-upholds-right-to-confront-witness-Decision-may-result-in-new-trial-for-Jensen

[KellBell]

I think Jensen may very well get a new trial. I am not happy about it but I think it might actually happen. I am confident a new jury will still find him guilty. I wouldn't have needed the letter. I think 10 of those jurors didn't need the letter in the first place and if the letter wasn't there I am sure that they would have still eventually come to the same conclusion. The internet searches that were done when she would have been too weak to get out of bed, the fact that mark didn't call 911 or take her to the hospital, the porn stalking that he did for 7 years to terrorize her, the affair gave him motive, the emails between MJ and KLJ, searching online for ways to poision, the conversation with EK, I could go on and on. The letter isn't the case.

[Barbs]

For those of us who think MJ is as guilty as sin, we should be glad his lawyer is so stinkeroo, and that MJ doesn’t have the brains to dump him. That attorney did so many stupid things at trial. He definitely was and is no match for that prosecutor. So if MJ does get a new trial, it will be because of the Giles technicality, not his attorney’s skill. And in a retrial, that guy will do dumb things again. He’s like a fish out of water. I betcha he’s a corporate lawyer. He should stick to that. But for those of us who think MJ done did it, it’s good that MJ is not firing him, so once again these words surely will come down: “We find the Mark Jensen guilty of murder in the first degree.” :smile:

Barbs

[wi_twin_mom]

I re-watched the 20/20 show, that showcased Jensen, last night on Dateline. There is so much more evidence against him than just the letter that Julie left.

*All of the computer searches, even when Julie couldn't get out of bed.(I think this alone could get him convicted IF he gets a new trial!)
*The testimony from Klug. (That was backed up with Dillard's testimony and the "hit" MJ tried to put on Klug!)
*MJ going to Julie's Dr. and getting sleeping pills when he had just told the Principal she was sleeping all the time.
*HE NEVER CALLED 911!

If anyone would like to add to my list, go for it!! There is so much evidence, this list could go on and on...

[J Juror]

:67302::blondblush113268230 http://www.markjensenlegaldefense.com/ Has anyone seen this???:67302::67302:

[johnielee333]

:67302::blondblush113268230 http://www.markjensenlegaldefense.com/ Has anyone seen this???:67302::67302:

you beat me to it J Juror. i was just gonna post the link.
mark jensen is an azz & i hope he doesnt get a new trial & i hope no one buys into his crap.

[J Juror]

I did learn that Paul did get the guardianship of Douglas's money. Julie's life insurance did pay out directly to the boys. If any of Douglas's monies are to be used--it must have appoval of both Paul and Kelly.

I probably don't have the right terms so excuse me for it. Mark will try to file for release from prison pending a new trial. That can happen within 6 months. I CAN NOT BELEAVE IT !!!! That thought scares me. This case was one long battle. Seven weeks of trial, three days deliberating, not to mention NINE YEARS to get to trial. He already had seven years of freedom. THANK YOU MR. KLUG. If it were not for Mr. Klug, Mark would not have been arrested and his bail raised. And that is where Mark sat untill trial--and prison after the trial. For that Mr. Klug, You are my HERO !! Just the slight chance of Mark getting out really gets me ticked off. I beleave there is so much other evidence than just the "Letter", lets all hope the other evidence keeps him behind bars.

[Dobiedwa]

What about that website?
Such poor use of the english language.. Sort of made me think ..who wrote this?

Doesn't matter..
I thought Mr. Albee wasn't being paid all that was coming to him.

Too bad that MJ is "broke"...

Too bad that he is trying to get out of prison to wait for a new trial.
Just think, if they let him out.. which country will he try to flee to? What color will he dye his hair? Will Kelly follow him? What about the children.. Too easy to track with children in tow.
He won't get out pending a new trial. I can't believe the law would allow such a thing.
Hey..
Thanks J Juror for telling me the latest news about how the stomach churns in this case..
UGH!:groan:

[johnielee333]

dont worry, mark will not get out no matter what.

:happy0207: hi Dobiedwa ! :s1gyahoo:
long time no hear ! :zm10:
welcome back ! :s1gyahoo:

[johnielee333]

thanks for the info j juror !!! :happy0158: :zm10:

[tantmieux]

What puzzles me after visiting Jensen's defense site and looking at his supporters' interpretation of Julie's letter, is that according to them, the letter seems to help the defense! Why then did the defense fight so hard to have it excluded?

Another thing that occurred to me while watching Jensen's sentencing, was that here was his one opportunity to make a statement in court without being cross-examined. If he had been truly framed and wrongfully convicted, here was his chance to so state, and to protest in no uncertain terms that the system got it wrong. Yet he declined to say a word. Why?

[tantmieux]

From Jensen's defense site, a quote: "Her [Julie's] mother kicked her five year old son, Richie in the stomach in the morning and he died in the afternoon. When the police arrived, the mother blamed his brothers for Richie’s death by claiming his brothers had piled on Richie in a playful monkey pile in the back yard. It wasn’t until the four brothers became older that they realized their mother had killed little Richie, not them."

Well, without speculating on whether the mother was responsible for her little son's death, lets focus on the time line. The little boy died in the summer of 1957. The only other brother yet born then was Larry, who would have been a toddler. Neither Julie nor the other brothers were born yet at the time of little Richie's tragic death.

And in any event, how does the possibility that the Griffin family may have a skeleton in the closet help Mark Jensen's defense?

[J Juror]

What puzzles me after visiting Jensen's defense site and looking at his supporters' interpretation of Julie's letter, is that according to them, the letter seems to help the defense! Why then did the defense fight so hard to have it excluded?

Another thing that occurred to me while watching Jensen's sentencing, was that here was his one opportunity to make a statement in court without being cross-examined. If he had been truly framed and wrongfully convicted, here was his chance to so state, and to protest in no uncertain terms that the system got it wrong. Yet he declined to say a word. Why?

HI Let me try to explain---Julie's letter points the finger right at Mark. Julie is dead. In court Mark can not face his accuser (Julie). So they did not want the letter in. However the judge ruled the letter as a "Dying Declaration". So that really has nothing to do with the overturning of the Giles v California case. According to Mark Jensen the picture Julie took of the post it note of the list in Mark's day planner; is a list of things Mark had found around the house. If you read Julie's letter and listen to her friends--Julie had no personal use for any of the items in the list.

What could he possibly say to change any ones mind? I was a juror and there was no evidence at all of anything Mark had said of Julie. As far as I know there is only one witness that can put Julie at the computer and that is her Son David. David did not testify. In 1998 there is no Doctor who can say Julie was depressed. No one but Mark said Julie was suicidal.

I hope you can be online Monday. I just had the Jury Reunion Party yesterday. Feel free to ask anything, or pm me.

[J Juror]

From Jensen's defense site, a quote: "Her [Julie's] mother kicked her five year old son, Richie in the stomach in the morning and he died in the afternoon. When the police arrived, the mother blamed his brothers for Richie’s death by claiming his brothers had piled on Richie in a playful monkey pile in the back yard. It wasn’t until the four brothers became older that they realized their mother had killed little Richie, not them."

Well, without speculating on whether the mother was responsible for her little son's death, lets focus on the time line. The little boy died in the summer of 1957. The only other brother yet born then was Larry, who would have been a toddler. Neither Julie nor the other brothers were born yet at the time of little Richie's tragic death.

And in any event, how does the possibility that the Griffin family may have a skeleton in the closet help Mark Jensen's defense?

Interesting that this came up in the trial. I looked at it like this--- Mark's defence team had to go all the way back to 1957 to find a Griffin family skeleton. Thats all they found was this one. Now imagine how many skeletons the Jensen's have in their closets since 1957? The Jensen's are liars. However Mark's Sister Laura did call the police and told them " I beleave my Brother killed Julie" Unfortunetly, the police did not document it and went back to it a year later. Then Laura recanted the story. So I assume Dad Jensen got to her. Yet in court Laura did not sit with her parents at all, nor at the sentencing either.

[annalyzer]

From Jensen's defense site, a quote: "Her [Julie's] mother kicked her five year old son, Richie in the stomach in the morning and he died in the afternoon. When the police arrived, the mother blamed his brothers for Richie’s death by claiming his brothers had piled on Richie in a playful monkey pile in the back yard. It wasn’t until the four brothers became older that they realized their mother had killed little Richie, not them."

Well, without speculating on whether the mother was responsible for her little son's death, lets focus on the time line. The little boy died in the summer of 1957. The only other brother yet born then was Larry, who would have been a toddler. Neither Julie nor the other brothers were born yet at the time of little Richie's tragic death.
And in any event, how does the possibility that the Griffin family may have a skeleton in the closet help Mark Jensen's defense?


Then how could she blame the death on the brothers piling on top of him? :confused:

[tantmieux]

Well, she couldn't have. I believe I recall during the trial, when this came up, the story was that the mother claimed it was the result of some rough play with other neighbor kids. The Jensens have obviously distorted this to cast aspersions on the Griffin family.

[J Juror]

Well, she couldn't have. I believe I recall during the trial, when this came up, the story was that the mother claimed it was the result of some rough play with other neighbor kids. The Jensens have obviously distorted this to cast aspersions on the Griffin family.

The Jensen''s could convince you that it is raining on a sunny day if they need it to their advantage in any way.

[wi_twin_mom]

The Jensen''s could convince you that it is raining on a sunny day if they need it to their advantage in any way.

Hi JJ! I can't wait to hear about your party.

When someone says the word "slick" the image of Pa Jensen comes to mind. And when someone says the word "rude" the image of Ma Jensen comes to mind. Unfortunately, they've had access to their grandchildren this whole time. Poor kids.

[J Juror]

Good morning everyone :0012:

[wi_twin_mom]

Good morning everyone :0012:

Morning JJ!:0012:

[J Juror]

Morning JJ!:0012:

I'm here. The reunion party was great. Mr. Jambois and his wife like my house.

[wi_twin_mom]

I'm here. The reunion party was great. Mr. Jambois and his wife like my house.

Sorry all of this PMing is difficult! I can't do two things at once!

[J Juror]

Sorry all of this PMing is difficult! I can't do two things at once!

We got it going. I really thought I was not doing things right. I sure hope MJ does not get a new trial nor an appeal. No other Judge or jury should have to be put through his lies.

[jcc]

Hey there~

Well, IF there is a new trial, I think he will go down just the same... without the letter. For me, other things were more damning... like THE COMPUTER EVIDENCE.... like him leaving the boys outside while he went in to check on Julie because he had a feeling.... like him laughing over the phone to Dr. Mangi who called with a job offer that Julie would be sleeping a long time.... and Mr. Klug's testimony.... and the fact that nobody supported Mark except his own family. Even his coworkers testimony was damning. And her dear neighbors.. even if they can't discuss the letter... they had other compelling evidence.

I know somewhere I had a list of the things I thought most damning... and its not fresh anymore... but the computer evidence was HUGE for me.

Anyway... what a huge waste of time if this goes to trial again. The only upside is that it will put Mark's family in bigger debt. Are Mark and Kelly divorced yet?