Taylor Placker & Skyla Whitaker Murder THREAD #2

[Roamer]

The other thread was getting very long, and a lot are interested in this sad case, so here's a brand new thread for you.

[Grande]

Thank you Roamer

[Pandabear]

Thanks Roamer.

I keep thinking about this and I'm thinking now that these two girls did walk up on and see something they shouldn't have. The area that I live in looks very much like that area of OK, thick woods, creeks, bridges over them on these country roads, etc. We've had problems with these portable meth labs around here for quite a while. My husband actually walked up on a guy on our deer lease last year who was cooking up a batch right there in the woods. He had an igloo cooler with all his supplies in it. I guess they think getting out in the woods like that will prevent anyone from smelling the stink of the meth cooking. The guy took off through the woods, I'm sure because my hubby had his deer rifle with him, and left everything behind.

I have to wonder if these girls did walk up on a cooking operation or something and the person/people decided the girls had seen too much. I'm just trying to wrap my mind around the fact that anyone could be evil enough to gun down two innocent little girls. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[awakening2lite]

Maybe it's time for it's own forum in Crimes and Trials?
Then, we could have threads pertaining to different subjects concerning this case?

[Claudia]

Maybe it's time for it's own forum in Crimes and Trials?
Then, we could have threads pertaining to different subjects concerning this case?

:happy0158: I vote yes for that! Pretty please???

[Grande]

I forwarded Pauli your request.

[Claudia]

I forwarded Pauli your request.

Thank you, Grande. :tender:

[Grande]

Thank you, Grande. :tender:

:hifive:

[SavannahStar]

Thanks Roamer.

I keep thinking about this and I'm thinking now that these two girls did walk up on and see something they shouldn't have. The area that I live in looks very much like that area of OK, thick woods, creeks, bridges over them on these country roads, etc. We've had problems with these portable meth labs around here for quite a while. My husband actually walked up on a guy on our deer lease last year who was cooking up a batch right there in the woods. He had an igloo cooler with all his supplies in it. I guess they think getting out in the woods like that will prevent anyone from smelling the stink of the meth cooking. The guy took off through the woods, I'm sure because my hubby had his deer rifle with him, and left everything behind.

I have to wonder if these girls did walk up on a cooking operation or something and the person/people decided the girls had seen too much. I'm just trying to wrap my mind around the fact that anyone could be evil enough to gun down two innocent little girls. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

I just think it's too much of an overkill for that situation (witnessing a drug operation). Also, that guy got out of Dodge REAL quick....they would have found evidence of a meth lab if that were the case. Elsewhere a "portable" meth lab had been mentioned as a possibility, but I don't think it's likely.

This is all just my own opinion....I've been dead-set on the theory it is one weirdo (adult) who did it as a "thrill kill."

I'm still thinking of the guy in "No Country for Old Men"....that is how I visualize this perp.

I could be wrong, no doubt. Nothing would surprise me. But that is what I think at this time, and actually what I've been thinking right from the start.

[KittyMom]

I've been thinking about the little dog. Maybe the girls are walking down the road with the puppy and some bad character drives by almost hitting the dog. The girls yell at him and he stops to teach them a lesson. He kills them for disrespecting him. The dog runs away scared and the creep drives away.

Just speculation on my part.

[KittyMom]

A thought...reports on the Eve Carson murder are out. Both defendents shot her.

[Claycat]

SavannahStar (lovely name), that guy from No Country for Old Men was consummate evil, wasn't he! My husband said he represented fate. It was more of an allegory than anything else. The bravest person was the young woman. She met fate head on and refused to play his game.

I can understand why you would feel that it was a lone killer like that man. This is such an evil crime! It gives you the same creepy,crawly feeling that actor did. Even though I have gotten some psychic hints, I'm not totally sure why this crime happened. I feel more like there were two killers, but I can certainly see why you feel the way you do!

[Claycat]

A thought...reports on the Eve Carson murder are out. Both defendents shot her.

I will have to check that out! Oh, that is so sad! What a beautiful young woman. Such a promising future ahead of her. Gone!

Yep! She was shot multiple times by both monsters! It makes you stop and think about Taylor and Skyla!

[SavannahStar]

SavannahStar (lovely name), that guy from No Country for Old Men was consummate evil, wasn't he! My husband said he represented fate. It was more of an allegory than anything else. The bravest person was the young woman. She met fate head on and refused to play his game.

I can understand why you would feel that it was a lone killer like that man. This is such an evil crime! It gives you the same creepy,crawly feeling that actor did. Even though I have gotten some psychic hints, I'm not totally sure why this crime happened. I feel more like there were two killers, but I can certainly see why you feel the way you do!

Thank you!!!!!!!!!! I've had the feeling since I was spouting on about that movie elsewhere that people thought I was crazy.

Yes, he was pure evil. And that is just how I picture the perp in this case. Although I will say I am also considering that it could have been two killers...seems LE thinks that is the case.

I am riveted to this case and so upset we don't have the answers yet.

[awakening2lite]

I forwarded Pauli your request.

Thank you Grande!:happy0207:

[awakening2lite]

I've been thinking about the little dog. Maybe the girls are walking down the road with the puppy and some bad character drives by almost hitting the dog. The girls yell at him and he stops to teach them a lesson. He kills them for disrespecting him. The dog runs away scared and the creep drives away.

Just speculation on my part.

A rage kill. Maybe you are on to something, KittyMom!

[Harmony]

Thank You Harlett!!!

[awakening2lite]

thank you, Harlett.

[TeeOne]

How nice, we have a special place for the girls! Thank you...

[awakening2lite]

I thought this was interesting:

Weleetka Sketch Artist Tells His Story

POSTED: 11:58 pm CDT June 26, 2008
UPDATED: 12:14 am CDT June 27, 2008

http://www.koco.com/2008/0627/16723522_240X180.jpg

OKLAHOMA CITY -- The artist who made a sketch police hope will lead to the killer of Skyla Whitaker and Taylor Paschal-Placker said he tries not to let the emotion of the case impact his work.

Harvey Pratt relied on witness descriptions to sketch the person spotted near the scene of the slayings nearly three weeks ago. Investigators have circulated Pratt’s sketch, but have not found the man they’re looking for.

“He doesn't have anything that just jumps right at you like a broken nose or a unibrow or missing teeth or huge scars,” Pratt said “He's about like most of the drawings that I do, he's pretty normal looking.”

As a sketch artist, Pratt’s job is to look for the small features that may help someone stand out from the crowd. He said he tries to approach his work without emotion, sometimes a tough task in a homicide investigation.

He said he sympathizes with the families of the two girls, but said he doesn’t want to meet them. “It doesn’t help me at all. In fact, it may even cloud me a little bit because you get emotionally involved.”

Pratt said that he’s constantly scanning crowds, looking for people he’s drawn. He even jots down license tag numbers.

He hopes his sketch will help bring the Weleetka investigation to a quick end.

“I want it to be of value, not only for those children, those families, for us, but for law enforcement,” he said.

source: http://www.koco.com/news/16724023/detail.html

[KittyMom]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080628_11_A4_spancl9259

The Society to Preserve Indigenous Rights and Indigenous Traditions, or SPIRIT, issued a press release Wednesday objecting to the generic nature of a recently released police sketch of an American Indian man as a "person of interest" in the ongoing investigation of the Weleetka child-murders.

But Jessica Brown, spokeswoman for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, said the sketch isn't generic. She cited specific information, such as the man's height of 6 feet and hair length, which is down his back in a ponytail.

"What do you want — a tattoo on his forehead?" Brown asked.

:67302::67302:

[SavannahStar]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080628_11_A4_spancl9259




:67302::67302:


Sheesh I think I've heard it all now.

[KittyMom]

http://www.ksbitv.com/home/19986754.html

Officials say they have the 911 tape, but are not releasing it at the family's request.

hmmm...first time I've read that the family requested the tape not be released.

[Claycat]

KittyMom, can you imagine what the tape sounded like? It make me feel cold to think about it. I would have been screaming!

[SavannahStar]

KittyMom, can you imagine what the tape sounded like? It make me feel cold to think about it. I would have been screaming!

I agree. I don't blame them at all for requesting the tape not be released.

I know I hear so many 911 tapes on various shows on TV and they are just horrifying. I think of the poor families.....:frown:

[Harmony]

http://www.ksbitv.com/home/19986754.html



hmmm...first time I've read that the family requested the tape not be released.

Mr. Placker called 911 at 5:41pm so Mrs. Whitaker was also present when the call was placed. Her parents stated she called them at approx. 5:20-25pm.

[Faith]

Just an FYI b/c we discussed this a few pages back- nothing to do with this case.

Arrest Made In Assault On Trooper
http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?s=8564337

[Faith]

The reward in the case is now more than $30,000. If you have any information that could lead to an arrest, call the OSBI hotline at 1-800-522-8017.

http://www.ksbitv.com/home/19986754.html

[KittyMom]

Mr. Placker called 911 at 5:41pm so Mrs. Whitaker was also present when the call was placed. Her parents stated she called them at approx. 5:20-25pm.

Earlier reports made me believe that LE saw no need to release the tapes. I'm sure the tapes are very emotional (as most are). The parents requesting it not be released jumped out at me given the questions regarding the timeline.

[Claycat]

OT, sort of. I remember coming upon an accident where 3 little girls had been run over by a classmate of mine who was speeding. Two of them were dead. The third was screaming for her dead sister. I have never gotten over that! Never! I have tears in my eyes right now. I can't talk about it without crying. That was about 41 or 42 years ago. My father had to force me to learn how to drive before I started college. I'm sure that is one of the reasons I didn't want to drive.

You can imagine if the ones you come upon belong to you!


Anyway, thanks KittyMom, for letting us know about the tape!

[Faith]

OT, sort of. I remember coming upon an accident where 3 little girls had been run over by a classmate of mine who was speeding. Two of them were dead. The third was screaming for her dead sister. I have never gotten over that! Never! I have tears in my eyes right now. I can't talk about it without crying. That was about 41 or 42 years ago. My father had to force me to learn how to drive before I started college. I'm sure that is one of the reasons I didn't want to drive.

You can imagine if the ones you come upon belong to you!


Anyway, thanks KittyMom, for letting us know about the tape!

Years ago my sister was a parametric. She quit because she was afraid she would come upon one of us. The thought of it gave her panic attacks.

[Faith]

Starting at #3008
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p134

columbo

the Osbi is not investigating Mr. Placker ...he has been cleared ....passed a polygraph ....the girls' autopsy showed no evidence of sexual molestation ....and the one thing Roy cannot explain in his ramblings about a fake poi is : where did the tire tracks showing a u turn at the murder scene come from? are those tracks fake? did the witness make those up? Roy likes the attention by expounding on a contrarian theory ...laced with vulgar and crude expletives ....I would think only similar ilk would even listen to him ..... another screen beret ...another pathetic chatroom bully .

fresh tire tracks doing a u turn at the site of a double homicide could be a coincidence ...but the odds are against it ... the osbi believes the witness is credible ...your theory has nothing roy ....I have an eye witness...tire tracks that match a Ford pick up ....evidence that 2 weapons were used ....a local family that has seen the poi on their property ...what do you have that implicates Placker? I'm talking about evidence ...not B.S.

In fairness to Roy ...I'd say their is a 10% chance that Placker is involved ...not as a shooter ...but as someone who knows the shooter or shooters .... and knows their motive ....but Roy's hypothesis as Placker as the shooter defies all logic ....with respect to evidence ...timeline ...motive ...etc

maybe the Placker kid was supposed to take money to the contact at the bridge to pick up drugs .... after they count the money ...they feel they are short changed and catch up to the girls ...kill them take the drugs and drive away....plausible

I personally think the area has a sexual predator with an assistant who have been watching these girls ... and tried to abduct them .... the girls were probably tough little kids who wouldn't go quietly and these cranked up scumbags murdered them .... I'd say they are probably bi -sexual ...still in the area ...right under le's noses

the autopsies have not been made public ....

one of the girl's was shot in the leg and arm

we all assume the poi was driving the white pick up ...perp #2 could be the driver .... maybe even stopped and checked by le .... the half breed could have been the passenger .... the driver of the truck could be someone that the public or le haven't associated with the crime ...maybe a teenager ....maybe a female

Hey, Columbo...Did I miss it? What channel is covering the story???
You know the one I'm talking about...arrest of the POI?

it should be breaking news very soon .... tonight or tommorrow

ending
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p139

[Grande]

I've been reading that Faith. Colombo is still adament there will be an arrest.

BB in a bit.

[TeeOne]

Thanks Faith...
I can't wait til they do arrest someone!

[Oceanblueeyes]

I agree. I don't blame them at all for requesting the tape not be released.

I know I hear so many 911 tapes on various shows on TV and they are just horrifying. I think of the poor families.....:frown:

I don't want to hear it. I do not listen to 911 calls that shows the immeasurable pain and sufferings of someone who has to report something like this. I have listened to a couple in the past and I found myself feeling like I was prying into someone else's own suffering that I had no right to do. It is just me, I guess, but they are just so unnerving and heart wrenching to me.

imoo

[Faith]

Thanks Faith...
I can't wait til they do arrest someone!

Time will tell if Columbo is FOS, Tee. I pray he is right!!

[Faith]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/SkylaWhitakerandherfather.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/TaylorPaschal-Plackersgrandparentst.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/TaylorPaschal-Plackersbrotherandgra.jpg

http://newsok.com/photos/gallery/?&gallery_id=3709&%20%20photo_id=52616e646f6d49563be9c5835c6d058f2aa e63%3Cbr%20/%3Ec42%3Cbr%20/%3E4446281

[Claycat]

:frown:

[LiveLaughLuv]

I was watching America's Most Wanted last night. They had a segment on the Boca Raton serial killer. They showed a sketch of the man wanted, it looks exactly like that of Taylor and Skyla killer. I wonder if the are one in the same and if LE can make a connection.

Take a look for yourselves. You can't see the "ponytail" that clear on this shot but it's there on the left shoulder.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=51704

[TeeOne]

I was watching America's Most Wanted last night. They had a segment on the Boca Raton serial killer. They showed a sketch of the man wanted, it looks exactly like that of Taylor and Skyla killer. I wonder if the are one in the same and if LE can make a connection.

Take a look for yourselves. You can't see the "ponytail" that clear on this shot but it's there on the left shoulder.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=51704

I saw AMW last night also, but made no connection of the two men, he looked 100% caucasion (sp?) to me....
Plus he picks up his women at shopping malls....:shrug1:

[Harmony]

I thought this was interesting:

Weleetka Sketch Artist Tells His Story

POSTED: 11:58 pm CDT June 26, 2008
UPDATED: 12:14 am CDT June 27, 2008

http://www.koco.com/2008/0627/16723522_240X180.jpg

OKLAHOMA CITY -- The artist who made a sketch police hope will lead to the killer of Skyla Whitaker and Taylor Paschal-Placker said he tries not to let the emotion of the case impact his work.

Harvey Pratt relied on witness descriptions to sketch the person spotted near the scene of the slayings nearly three weeks ago. Investigators have circulated Pratt’s sketch, but have not found the man they’re looking for.

“He doesn't have anything that just jumps right at you like a broken nose or a unibrow or missing teeth or huge scars,” Pratt said “He's about like most of the drawings that I do, he's pretty normal looking.”

As a sketch artist, Pratt’s job is to look for the small features that may help someone stand out from the crowd. He said he tries to approach his work without emotion, sometimes a tough task in a homicide investigation.

He said he sympathizes with the families of the two girls, but said he doesn’t want to meet them. “It doesn’t help me at all. In fact, it may even cloud me a little bit because you get emotionally involved.”

Pratt said that he’s constantly scanning crowds, looking for people he’s drawn. He even jots down license tag numbers.

He hopes his sketch will help bring the Weleetka investigation to a quick end.

“I want it to be of value, not only for those children, those families, for us, but for law enforcement,” he said.

source: http://www.koco.com/news/16724023/detail.html


FYI Here are some other composites done by Harvey Pratt. They are side by side with the actual offender. You can compare Pratt's rendition with the actual photo.

(His site is very informative and his background is substantial and impressive.)

http://www.harveypratt.com/composite_imagery.php

[SavannahStar]

FYI Here are some other composites done by Harvey Pratt. They are side by side with the actual offender. You can compare Pratt's rendition with the actual photo.

(His site is very informative and his background is substantial and impressive.)

http://www.harveypratt.com/composite_imagery.php

He is truly amazing! What a gift he has. :1222423:

[Claycat]

He IS amazing!

[awakening2lite]

SavannahStar (lovely name), that guy from No Country for Old Men was consummate evil, wasn't he! My husband said he represented fate. It was more of an allegory than anything else. The bravest person was the young woman. She met fate head on and refused to play his game.

I can understand why you would feel that it was a lone killer like that man. This is such an evil crime! It gives you the same creepy,crawly feeling that actor did. Even though I have gotten some psychic hints, I'm not totally sure why this crime happened. I feel more like there were two killers, but I can certainly see why you feel the way you do!

I felt the character of the paperback writer was representative of evil. He offered them immortality (in print) if their lives were 'evil' enough to be written about, and in doing so, he both tempted and encouraged them to cross over the threshold to become more vicious and spectacular. Ultimately, they became the Unforgiven.

Powerful story.

[awakening2lite]

FYI Here are some other composites done by Harvey Pratt. They are side by side with the actual offender. You can compare Pratt's rendition with the actual photo.

(His site is very informative and his background is substantial and impressive.)

http://www.harveypratt.com/composite_imagery.php

Thanks, Harmony, that is very interesting. He must have the ability to draw out so many details from the witnesses. Details they might not have thought about had he not had the skills to ask the right questions.

[Faith]

In the past when a composite was made then the person found. I never saw a resemblance between the two. Maybe it's me but I would never be able to site a person from a sketch.

[Oceanblueeyes]

He is truly amazing! What a gift he has. :1222423:


He is absolutely awesome.

I loved reading his website.

imo

[KittyMom]

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p151

columbo
they have 2 suspects under 24/7 surveillence .... they are building the case .....longer than I thought ...standby

[KittyMom]

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p167
lifeprofessional

I knew that Skyla's bro,Edward Gordon was involved in a murder in Baxter Springs on Jan. 2007. I didn't realize that there was a plead bargain and he is going to testify against his 2 co-defendents next month.

COLUMBUS, Kan.— The jury in a Cherokee County murder trial will begin deliberating today.
The defense rested its case Wednesday in the trial of Samuel Becker, 22, of Pittsburg. He is charged with first-degree murder in the Jan. 30, 2007, shooting death of Jamey Richardson in Baxter Springs. Becker also is charged with several other felonies, including kidnapping, aggravated battery and aggravated assault, with several alleged victims.
Richardson was a former key player for the Pittsburg State University basketball team.
The prosecution rested its case earlier Wednesday. Neither side called co-defendant Edward Gordon to testify. Gordon has an agreement with the prosecution to plead no contest to a charge of second-degree murder. The prosecution would seek a 10-year prison sentence for Gordon. The agreement requires him to testify against his co-defendants

What leaped out at me is Gordon is to testify against his co-defendents and Graham's trial is to start in July, just one month after the girls were killed almost execution style. The first main co-defendant received life plus 68 years and the second co-defendent, Graham was up for his case next.

[Faith]

Columbo

more than one witness saw the white truck .....the autopsy of sklya shows no sign of sexual activity .....Placker passed a polygraph ..... Upon reaching the crime scene Placker had to retrieve his cell phone from his dead granddaughter's body ....I would think he was a little upset and not thinking straight ....he calls the person coming to pick up the kids ...she gets there and they call 911.......to believe the fake witness theory we have to believe Placker has a network of friends who will lie for him ....Osbi has established that none of the witnesses knew Placker .... they have a method of questioning to determine this .....its a method used by the fbi ....now folks these are FACTS which make Roy's theory hard to digest .....I'll now patiently await incoming insults from the countryfolk against the world crowd

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p150


One picture from a news story has Placker's white truck sitting near his driveway.

that photo is not accurate ....it was taken from the north ....the slight incline then the bend in the road to the left would have to be taken from the north ....Placker's driveway would be further down the road to the right

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p153

Is the road named or just called County Line Road?
county road 3890

cr 3890 is probably the safest road in the USA right now .....people working on power are probably FBI agents .... oops
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p155

[TeeOne]

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p151

columbo

I sure hope this columbo is right, I'd love to see an arrest!

[Claycat]

Thanks for posting that about Columbo saying they have two suspects under 24/7 surveillance, KittyMom. I had missed that. I hope that's true and there will be arrests soon!

[Harmony]

Do you think this killer(s) has killed before? Have there been any similar shootings in recent years in the area? Do you think he is transient or do you think he lives close by (not necessarily local but maybe a neighboring town)?

Look at the characteristics of the disorganized killer in this article.


http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/streiber/273/inf_smintro.htm

[LiveLaughLuv]

I don't know Harmony.

I tend to think the girls feel upon something going on with these men. Maybe a drug drop, an argument. I just think they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. These precious girls did nothing but just walk a path they had walked many times before.

<snipped from article Harmony provided>
Disorganized Killer(eg. Berkowitz, Chase ) -

Murder usually happens spur of the moment(with no planning but the one simple objective to kill).

Does not bring any tools('rape kit') to the kill except maybe murder device.

No contact with the victim prior to spur of the moment murder.

No rape, torture etc. will take place before murder.

Kills victim but does not care for evidence usually left at the crime scene(high degree of violence takes place at murder).

Will not move body in an attempt to hide, bury it etc., unconcerned of its discovery.

Killer might be involved further with the dead victim(mutilation, necrophilia, cannibalism, etc) and may also take souvenir

I truly don't know. I have no clue as to why someone would do this. :groan:

[Claycat]

Thanks for the link, Harmony! That is good info.

LLL, it makes me want to groan as well! However, I think it is some kind of revenge or payback. It may be rejection of prior sexual advances. ???

[Harmony]

Thanks for the link, Harmony! That is good info.

LLL, it makes me want to groan as well! However, I think it is some kind of revenge or payback. It may be rejection of prior sexual advances. ???

I was researching 'thrill kill' and other topics and I came across that. I thought I would post it as 'food for thought'.

Revenge or payback is a viable theory but I think more in regards to Skyla's brother testifying and getting a reduced sentence. But then how did that person know they would be walking at that short period of time and how did they know Skyla was there instead of her home? IMO it did not have to do with sexual advances being rejected because with a gun you can make someone do pretty much anything you ask.

I have no idea either- I mull over all the different theories and they are all senseless. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[Claycat]

I know. None of it really makes any sense. That is why the perp/perps may get away with it.

I hope not.

Rejection, drugs, silencing, revenge, etc! It's like a roulette wheel. Dang!

[Grande]

Looks like there was a significant meth bust in Okmulgee County yesterday according to the County Jail Roster.

The following inmates were arrested yesterday for ENDEAVORING TO MANUFACTURE METHAMPHETAMINES;

http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001445

http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001446

http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001447

http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001448

[TeeOne]

Looks like there was a significant meth bust in Okmulgee County yesterday according to the County Jail Roster.

The following inmates were arrested yesterday for ENDEAVORING TO MANUFACTURE METHAMPHETAMINES;

http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001445

http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001446

http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001447

http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001448


Good, I hope they keep up the good work!:happy0158:

[KittyMom]

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p169

post #3745 is an interesting read

[Claycat]

Gosh, how did I miss that?

I've been trying to look them up on the Texas offenders search, but it won't load.

[Grande]

Gosh, how did I miss that?

I've been trying to look them up on the Texas offenders search, but it won't load.

It will load but it's taking a long time today. The redirect will take about 5 minutes as will the search.

[Pandabear]

Name Whitaker, Thomas TDCJ Number 999522 Date of Birth 12/31/1979 Date Received 03/23/2007Age (when Received) 27 Education Level
(Highest Grade Completed) 12th grade Date of Offense 12/10/2003Age (at the time of Offense) 23 County Fort Bend Race White Gender Male Hair Color Brown Height 5' 09" Weight 183 lbs Eye Color Hazel Native County Harris Native State Texas
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Prior Occupation
None
Prior Prison Record
None
Summary of incident
On the evening of December 10, 2003 in Fort Bend County, the subject and the victims, a 56 year-old white male, a 53 year-old white female and a 19 year-old white male returned home from dinner. When they arrived at the residence, Chris Brachere shot the three victims each one time with a 9 millimeter pistol, killing the female and the 19 year-old white male. The 56 year-old white male sustained a gunshot wound to the chest, but survived.
The subject conspired with two codefendants to kill the subject's family so that he would receive a $1,500,000 inheritance.

Co-defendants
Chris Brachere, Steven Champagne
Race and Gender of Victim
White male and white female


See, this did nothing but confuse me. I'd love for someone to straighten me out on this. Is Thomas Whitaker related to Skyla? Does the above mean that he was one of those who killed these people? I'm soooo confused. :0009:

[TeeOne]

See, this did nothing but confuse me. I'd love for someone to straighten me out on this. Is Thomas Whitaker related to Skyla? Does the above mean that he was one of those who killed these people? I'm soooo confused. :0009:


Ditto Panda, it confused me too.:shrug1:

[awakening2lite]

Looks like there was a significant meth bust in Okmulgee County yesterday according to the County Jail Roster.

The following inmates were arrested yesterday for ENDEAVORING TO MANUFACTURE METHAMPHETAMINES;

http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001445

http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001446

http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001447

http://okokmulgee.jailsoftware.com/PressArrestRelease.asp?itbSiteID=6&ArrestNo=2008001448

I wonder how many busts, if any, were the result of the searches done for the POI in the sketch.

[SavannahStar]

See, this did nothing but confuse me. I'd love for someone to straighten me out on this. Is Thomas Whitaker related to Skyla? Does the above mean that he was one of those who killed these people? I'm soooo confused. :0009:

I don't believe it has been proven anywhere but some people believe that is Skylar's brother.

[Faith]

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p169

post #3745 is an interesting read

Yes, very interesting... hmmmm

[Harmony]

If this was a drug deal that the girls witnessed wouldn't killing them draw more attention to the illegal activity? Doesn't make sense to kill eye witnesses to a drug deal then allow other eye witnesses to get a detailed look of you when you have just murdered two little girls. They had to know they were going to be discovered, they did not hide the bodies -they were in plain sight. Again I go back to the disorganized killer. This is the direction I am leaning toward at this time:

-this was a random thrill kill
-this is not their first killing
-they have a fascination with guns and own several
-they are not local but may live in a neighboring city or property
(I don't know if it is one or two killers but I am leaning toward one.)

[Faith]

Interesting post- #4205
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p191

[Claudia]

Interesting post- #4205
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p191

I have gotten so far behind in my reading there. I have got a lot of catching up to do!

[TeeOne]

Interesting post- #4205
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p191

Wow - my mind is racing now!:waitasec:

[Claudia]

Interesting columbo is changing his tune a bit. Makes me think he is full of **** and never knew any "inside info" like he claimed.

[Harmony]

Interesting post- #4205
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p191

Faith- What is your experience with Columbo? Was he accurate on the last case you encountered him on? He seems 'full of it' to me. JMHO

[Claycat]

Actually, Columbo posted this today, and I think it may be pretty accurate. A lot of it sure matches what I have been picking up.

Look at #4339 here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p198


I also tended to agree with him about the way the murders were committed.

These are my words from topix.

"I think one killer sprayed the girls with bullets from a slowly moving vehicle as Columbo said. Then the vehicle did a u-turn and the second killer got out and shot them close up to make sure they were dead."

[Claycat]

Here's another one! Something we haven't heard before!

Evidently someone wrote something on a cross at the memorial site.

#4405 here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p201

[Faith]

Here's another one! Something we haven't heard before!

Evidently someone wrote something on a cross at the memorial site.

#4405 here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p201

IIRC and I don't have a link. I heard on TV or read that each cross had the girls names. However, I just read one of them were disfigured. I haven't heard that until now.

[Faith]

Faith- What is your experience with Columbo? Was he accurate on the last case you encountered him on? He seems 'full of it' to me. JMHO

IMO Columbo is credible.

[Claudia]

IMO Columbo is credible.

Really? You think so? Interesting. I trust your opinion, but I really thought he was full of it. Would't be the first time I was wrong (believe it or not!). Maybe I'll have to go back & re-read his posts...

[Faith]

Actually, Columbo posted this today, and I think it may be pretty accurate. A lot of it sure matches what I have been picking up.

Look at #4339 here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p198


I also tended to agree with him about the way the murders were committed.

These are my words from topix.

"I think one killer sprayed the girls with bullets from a slowly moving vehicle as Columbo said. Then the vehicle did a u-turn and the second killer got out and shot them close up to make sure they were dead."

Good post by Columbo.

[Claycat]

I agree about Columbo, Faith. His words ring true to me. Sam also felt like he was on the up and up.

[TigressPen]

I agree about Columbo, Faith. His words ring true to me. Sam also felt like he was on the up and up.


I think Columbo is putting out theories as they are told to him by the one telling him. Cops always have a theory and try to fit the evidence to support that theory. If it falls through, they come up with another one, and another one and another one until they get it right. And with each one they believe it's the correct theory.

However, why would LE think it was a blotched abduction attempt if they also don't believe a family member was involved. How would those shooters (and I do believe it was 2 of them) have known the child they wanted to abduct was going to be walking in that area, that day, at that time? Unless they were contacted and told they were walking. Only the family knew they were walking.

And was the cross that was allegedly written on the same child the shooters intended to abduct?

[LiveLaughLuv]

They have a fingerprint on one of the shell casings and still no arrests???

I'm sorry, but these posts are so confusing. Is this Colombo person really credible or is it just his theories????

I wish they would make some arrests already. The longer they wait, I'm afraid it will go cold. :groan:

[Faith]

They have a fingerprint on one of the shell casings and still no arrests???

I'm sorry, but these posts are so confusing. Is this Colombo person really credible or is it just his theories????

I wish they would make some arrests already. The longer they wait, I'm afraid it will go cold. :groan:

IMO if your not already in the database there would be no way of comparing fingerprints.

LLL- I believe Columbo to be credible. He has a source.

[Grande]

Interesting comments on Topix this AM;

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p211

[TeeOne]

Interesting comments on Topix this AM;

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p211


I wish I was a fly on the wall of the coffee shop in Weleetka.

[packy]

Interesting comments on Topix this AM;

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p211

Just read them, thanks Grande.

[Claycat]

I wish I was a fly on the wall of the coffee shop in Weleetka.

If I had the money, I would drive up there and ask to hold something that belonged to the girls to see if I could come up with something more. It's probably just as well I don't have it; that way I'll probably stay out of trouble.

[SavannahStar]

I'm still not buying into this botched abduction theory. Who is this "Columbo" anyway? Can someone give a very short synopsis? Sorry for asking, but I haven't kept up with that other board. TIA.

[Grande]

Yes Claycat. I removed my original post due to privacy concerns.

[TeeOne]

If I had the money, I would drive up there and ask to hold something that belonged to the girls to see if I could come up with something more. It's probably just as well I don't have it; that way I'll probably stay out of trouble.

I would buy the gas, we could do a road trip.....

[Claycat]

I would buy the gas, we could do a road trip.....

I would love it, but we are at opposite edges of the country!

My husband probably wouldn't let me go. He would be afraid I would be in danger.

[Peacekeeper]

Somehow I missed this!

Investigation Discovery

http://tinyurl.com/59mosa

The Criminal Report Daily : June 19, 2008 By: David Lohr

False Reports Provide False Hope in Skyla Whitaker and Taylor Paschal-Placker


Residents of Okfuskee County, Oklahoma were glued to their television sets earlier this week when breaking news reports announced that an arrest had been made in connection with the June 8 shooting deaths of 11-year-old Skyla Jade Whitaker and 13-year-old Taylor Dawn Paschal-Placker. Unfortunately, those reports proved to be false and did nothing more than provide the victims' families with false hope.

"We thought they caught the guy," Taylor's uncle, Joe Mosher, told Newsok.com. "We thought they had him in custody. It was right there on the TV — breaking news. It turns out, they had nothing. It was really kind of heartbreaking for us."

The incident that caused all the confusion began Tuesday morning at the Weleetka Middle and High School. According to police, they had received a 911 call alerting them of a domestic disturbance outside the school. When investigators arrived on the scene they arrested Russell Neiley of Weleetka. Neiley had allegedly been threatening to take his own life. During the arrest, the lines of communication got crossed and a message went out that there was a hostage situation at the school. That message proved to be false but it quickly spurred other rumors that the man had bragged about being involved in the young girl's murder.

Yesterday, Fox News published the following report on their Website:

"A man deemed mentally ill was taken into custody Tuesday after bragging falsely that he was involved in the fatal shootings of two young girls on a rural country road … Police followed him, then pulled his pickup over near the town of Henryetta and found a bolt-action rifle inside … Investigators determined through extensive questioning that Weleetka resident Russell Neiley was not actually involved in the shooting."

Other news stations, including KOCO.com, have been reporting the exact opposite, as is evident in an article they published on their Website, which read in part:

"Weleetka police told Eyewitness News 5 that the man was intent on killing himself, that he had no gun and that he had never claimed any involvement in the girls' deaths."

The exact details remain unclear and a spokesperson for the Weleetka police was unavailable for comment. Regardless, what is clear is that Neiley had nothing to do with the girls' deaths.

"We have got a guy in custody, but it has nothing to do with the case," Rex Hefner, Okfuskee County jail administrator, told Newsok.com.

The entire ordeal did nothing more than add insult to injury for the victims' families.

The OSBI is offering a $30,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person(s) responsible for the murders of Skyla Whitaker and Taylor Paschal-Placker. Anyone with information is asked to contact the OSBI hotline at 800-522-8017 or the Okfuskee County Sheriff's Office at 918-623-1122.

[KittyMom]

I can't believe that there has been no arrest.

[Faith]

I can't believe that there has been no arrest.

I'm with you KM. I hope they have suspects in mind and are watching them.

[TigressPen]

I'm with you KM. I hope they have suspects in mind and are watching them.



So do I, Faith. They certainly aren't having press conferences to announce any news on the case. I really don't expect anything to come out until a suspect has been arrested, except rumors.

[Faith]

way2concerned posted this article that was in the paper, she scanned it.

Click the link to view it, it's too large to post.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/wrnhpg.jpg

[TeeOne]

Man, I was hoping by the time I came home yesterday there would have been an arrest.

[Harmony]

This may or may not be related. Bringing this link from websleuths.

http://www.ksbitv.com/news/23205249.html

It was a tragic start to the holiday weekend. Two people are found murdered inside a vehicle in a rural part of Oklahoma County. This morning a male and female were found dead on Northeast 34th Street, between Wright Avenue and Timber. Authorities are piecing together the tragic events, and looking for those responsible. Just after 10 a.m. authorities find a white car which contains the bodies of a man and woman, both shot in the head.
"There was one person in the front or one person in the back," said Mark Myers, the Spokesperson of the Oklahoma County Sheriff's Office. "Currently, our crime scene investigators will comb everything thoroughly to try and determine what evidence is in the car and around the car."
One neighbor said she saw the Chevy Impala parked and turned off in the north side brush earlier in the morning.

More at link

[Claudia]

This may or may not be related. Bringing this link from websleuths.

http://www.ksbitv.com/news/23205249.html



More at link

Thanks for bringing this over, Harmony!

[Grande]

A couple interesting comments at Topix from 'Sheza';

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p227#lastPost

[Claycat]

I hope Sheza is right about LE and OSBI being close to solving it, Grande!

Faith, thanks for bringing over the link from W2C!

[Faith]

wrong thread

[TigressPen]

way2concerned posted this article that was in the paper, she scanned it.

Click the link to view it, it's too large to post.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/wrnhpg.jpg



I wonder what item they took left in memory of Skyla.

[TigressPen]

It actually felt good to read common sense postings on topix for a change. I got so sick of having to scan over all the attacks and senseless post that I haven't gone back in a few days to check that site. I'd just check this thread and online for new articles on it.

[Faith]

I wonder what item they took left in memory of Skyla.

The cross with Skyla's name engraved in it. Someone wrote on it with a marker, something to the affect of- "you'll never catch me".

[LiveLaughLuv]

The cross with Skyla's name engraved in it. Someone wrote on it with a marker, something to the affect of- "you'll never catch me".


Taunting the police, the community with "you'll never catch me"!

I wonder if its someone with a horrible sense of humor or the killer is still around. This is horrifying, as if the murders of two young girls wasn't enough.

I do hope they catch whoever is responsible.

It actually felt good to read common sense postings on topix for a change. I got so sick of having to scan over all the attacks and senseless post that I haven't gone back in a few days to check that site. I'd just check this thread and online for new articles on it.

I don't go reading over there, it's too confusing. It's only a forum, like ours where people are giving their own opinions. Still, too confusing.

[packy]

I hope Sheza is right about LE and OSBI being close to solving it, Grande!

Faith, thanks for bringing over the link from W2C!

I hope so too. It's so frustrating to come every day with hope to hear they have arrested someone and find nothing yet. The people in the community must be under such tension and anxiety not knowing who or why.

[Harmony]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080708_12_WELEE78514

7/8/2008 5:51 AM
WELEETKA — One month after two girls were shot to death on a rural Okfuskee County road, investigators do not appear to be much closer to solving the crime than they were the day it happened.

No arrests have been made. No suspects have been identified. No motive has been determined. And a sketch of a mystery man who is listed as a "person of interest" has produced hundreds of leads but no notable results.

Stan Florence, an Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation inspector, said authorities are still working hard to find the person or persons who killed 13-year-old Taylor Paschal-Placker and 11-year-old Skyla Whitaker on June 8.

"Unfortunately, there's nothing to report, but to date, we have 451 leads received, and we have given a number of polygraphs, including a polygraph (Monday). So this case is still very active and ongoing," Florence said.

Investigators believe there may be at least two shooters involved in the killings because each of the girls were shot with two different kinds of bullets.

Two weeks ago, OSBI officials decided to request a nationwide distribution of the information and sketch related to the girls' slaying in hopes of gathering information.

more info at link

[KittyMom]

Everyday that passes without an arrest scares me into thinking this will turn into another cold case that goes unsolved.

:frown:

[Harmony]

Everyday that passes without an arrest scares me into thinking this will turn into another cold case that goes unsolved.

:frown:

Hi KittyMom- I think it is solvable. I wonder if the quiet means they are on to something. I pray it is. :innocent0001:

[Claudia]

Hi KittyMom- I think it is solvable. I wonder if the quiet means they are on to something. I pray it is. :innocent0001:

It has been eerily quiet. It's unnerving. I need some NEWS!

[TeeOne]

It has been eerily quiet. It's unnerving. I need some NEWS!

Every day that goes by with no news drives me mad!
I was telling my husband today, it's been a month since the murders.

[Claudia]

Every day that goes by with no news drives me mad!
I was telling my husband today, it's been a month since the murders.

It is making me nervous that it has been so long. With each passing day, I have less hope that their killer(s) will be caught.

[TeeOne]

It is making me nervous that it has been so long. With each passing day, I have less hope that their killer(s) will be caught.

DITTO:happy0158:

[Claudia]

DITTO:happy0158:

:thud2:

[Faith]

Interesting comment by Sooner Magic
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p238

[annalyzer]

It is making me nervous that it has been so long. With each passing day, I have less hope that their killer(s) will be caught.


An 82 year old man was stabbed to death not far from where I live. 18 months went by and LE got a break. They now have a 19 in custody for his murder. So don't give up hope.

[Claudia]

An 82 year old man was stabbed to death not far from where I live. 18 months went by and LE got a break. They now have a 19 in custody for his murder. So don't give up hope.

OMG. How horrible. Live that long to have some punk stab him to death. :frown:

Very glad they caught him, and that does give me hope - we are only at one month!

[TeeOne]

An 82 year old man was stabbed to death not far from where I live. 18 months went by and LE got a break. They now have a 19 in custody for his murder. So don't give up hope.

Ditto to Claudia....

No really, I'm glad to hear that they found the man's killer.
I wish they could just do an article a week about the girls or something about. But I guess there isn't much to say.

[KittyMom]

Sooner Magic's post

Thanks for the info. I had lunch today with an old friend from childhood.(It has been 15 yrs. since we last saw each other). He called me out of the blue and he is in LE.(I was shocked by that coincidence) He is familiar with the case. He shared a little bit more with me than what I had read about.

This is it in a quick condensed version:
-They think 1 shooter / 2 guns
-Girls were definitely shot exectution style
-Some DNA has been found but, results are not available yet.(That he knows of)
-Rain washed away a lot of potential evidence
-Canine did find some forensics / waiting for info from lab
-POI is (probably) on an Indian reservation and that has hindered the authorities from making progress in finding him. Something to do with juresdiction.


Can this be true?

[CTVreader]

Interesting comment by Sooner Magic
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p238
Supposedly Sooner Magic is Ruflossen over at Websleuths and she's never posted that over there, hmmm.

[CTVreader]

I hope Sheza is right about LE and OSBI being close to solving it, Grande!

Faith, thanks for bringing over the link from W2C!
And now w2c/frogjustfrog has joined Websleuths, small world no?

[Faith]

Locals Reflect On Weleetka Killings

It's been a month since two girls were found shot to death.

Video

http://www.koco.com/video/16832516/index.html

[Claycat]

Locals Reflect On Weleetka Killings

It's been a month since two girls were found shot to death.

Video

http://www.koco.com/video/16832516/index.html

Thanks for posting this, Faith! I was just coming to do that!

[Claycat]

And now w2c/frogjustfrog has joined Websleuths, small world no?

I actually gave w2c the link for this forum first, and I also mentioned Websleuths, but she joined there first.

[Pandabear]

I've gotten to the point that I just can't read the topix forum about this case any longer. How those people can let someone like that Roy guy talk to them the way they do is beyond me. I'll stick to any breaking news here.

[Kathy*Rae]

I have to think maybe someone saw the girls walking on a lonely stretch of road and decided to snatch them.

Maybe when the perp (s) realize the stretch of road wasn't so lonely as first believed, he (they) heard a car approaching maybe...panicked and killed the girls.

If reports are correct that state the truck was partially blocking the road and view, the second perp could have been squatting down, thus invisible to the witnesses....Maybe even hiding the fact the girls were there and shot already.

Seems like over kill for a drug deal stumbled on or even a gay tryst seen....Unless it was someone they know, I can't explain the overkill....

IMO of course

[TeeOne]

Thanks Faith for posting that video!

For Taylor and Skyla:1222423::1222423:

[Claycat]

All the forums are dead on this topic! I'm so blue, I can't stand it!

We are all seeking answers to these murders and other murders and where missing people are, and there don't seem to be any answers.

I hope, when I die, I will know answers, answers to all the questions I've ever asked and answers to some I haven't even thought of. I want answers, that's all, answers...

Skyla and Taylor know the answers now...

:0001:

[Pandabear]

Claycat, I'm with you. I can hardly stand the fact that this crime is over a month old and we have practically nothing more now than we did the day it happened. I pray that LE has some leads and answers that they have not released to the public and that there will be closure for these two sweethearts very soon.

A crime like this, against two innocent baby girls, should NOT go unpunished. Taylor and Skyla deserve answers.

[Oceanblueeyes]

Father Breaks Silence About Weleetka Murders
Last Update: 10:02 pm

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It’s been one month since the shocking discovery of the two little girls killed just down the road from their homes.


Now the community of Weleetka is struggling to come to terms with what happened and why no one has been arrested.


For the families of Skyla Whitaker and Taylor Paschal-Placker not knowing who killed their little girls is upsetting and frustrating.


For the first time, Skyla’s Father breaks his silence to Fox 23’s Abbie Alford about the loss of his daughter and her friend Taylor.
As Skyla’s father William Whitaker walks down the dirt road, the same dirt road where Skyla and Taylor were killed, he feels something land on him,


"See it, it landed on me, it landed right here on my….” A butterfly lands on his heart. William says Skyla loved butterflies.


So to honor her, he’s wearing a memorial t-shirt so everyday both girls are remembered.


As he continues to walk, and this walk, as pretty as it is, is still a painful reminder the killer is out there.


"I can understand why they would walk here … It's beautiful."


But now the walk leads back to what life for this family used to be like when Skyla was still alive and vibrant.


William says the most painful part is at home, "I get up in the morning. I'll look over where she slept. All curled up in a sleeping bag part of the time where she would watch TV all night. She's not there, she's not there," says William.


As much pain as this father is in he knows he has to take steps forward to begin what is a long journey a head of him.


"The smallest step, that's something you have to do.” As he continues to take bigger steps William says, “I don't know if it's closer to finding an answer or if it's closer to mending my heart."

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ddb1b5c5-7321-4363-b24b-258807374579

[Faith]

Thank you Oceanblueeyes. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/WW.jpg

:1222423:


OSBI says they have received more than 450 leads. Here’s what investigators are releasing: They have given polygraph tests, submitted DNA and have conducted interviews.

As of Wednesday night, they still believe the killer or killers could be a local person.

[Claycat]

Oh, God, Oceanblueeyes, you've got me sobbing! I was reading that article to my husband and sobbing!

:frown:

[SavannahStar]

Oh, God, Oceanblueeyes, you've got me sobbing! I was reading that article to my husband and sobbing!

:frown:

And to think some were (are?) so suspicious of him in the girls' murders......

:madranting94dp:

:frown:

[LiveLaughLuv]

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/nevadabound/butterflies.jpg

For Skyla and Taylor.


:1187603408.CR.Mothe

May the butterflies heal his heart. I do hope these two little girls get the justice they deserve. I hope they find whoever is responsible.

I know the feeling of an unsolved murder, 25 years later and no one held accountable.

[TigressPen]

The cross with Skyla's name engraved in it. Someone wrote on it with a marker, something to the affect of- "you'll never catch me".



The article in the newspaper reads like they've took an item prior to taking the cross. Memorabilla was being left, IIRC, prior to them taking the dog there. And the fact that a dog was sniffing all the memorabilla left for the girls makes me wonder if the dog hit on something.

'Last Wednesday officials took a dog specially trained to sniff out items such as gunpowder and bullet casings out to the scene. Sadly, other than an item placed in memory of Skyla Whitaker, there are no new reports of leads in the case.'

The next paragraph talks about them putting a brown paper bag over the cross and taking it with them.

[awakening2lite]

The article in the newspaper reads like they've took an item prior to taking the cross. Memorabilla was being left, IIRC, prior to them taking the dog there. And the fact that a dog was sniffing all the memorabilla left for the girls makes me wonder if the dog hit on something.

'Last Wednesday officials took a dog specially trained to sniff out items such as gunpowder and bullet casings out to the scene. Sadly, other than an item placed in memory of Skyla Whitaker, there are no new reports of leads in the case.'

The next paragraph talks about them putting a brown paper bag over the cross and taking it with them.

Good point, TigressPen, thanks for bringing it to all of our attention. It renews hope.

(Bet they wish they had had a hidden camera on that site).

[Oceanblueeyes]

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d112/nevadabound/butterflies.jpg

For Skyla and Taylor.


:1187603408.CR.Mothe

May the butterflies heal his heart. I do hope these two little girls get the justice they deserve. I hope they find whoever is responsible.

I know the feeling of an unsolved murder, 25 years later and no one held accountable.

This case just has to be solved or these poor families will never get any semblance of peace and closure.

There will never be closure in their hearts for what they have lost but if they know the killer was brought to justice they can at least hold onto that fact.:1222423:

imoo

[KittyMom]

Father Breaks Silence About Weleetka Murders
Last Update: 10:02 pm


"See it, it landed on me, it landed right here on my….” A butterfly lands on his heart. William says Skyla loved butterflies.



http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ddb1b5c5-7321-4363-b24b-258807374579


WOW...just wow.
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[TigressPen]

WOW...just wow.
:1222423:



Yeah, I thought that to be quite phenomenal, a message from beyond for sure.

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[Grande]

Ominous Warning Found at Skyla Whitaker and Taylor Paschal-Placker

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation [OSBI] is examining a cross that once stood at the roadside memorial for 11-year-old Skyla Jade Whitaker and 13-year-old Taylor Dawn Paschal-Placker, two young girls who were shot and killed in Weleetka last month.

According to an OSBI spokesperson, someone recently vandalized a cross that had Skyla's name on it and wrote, "You'll never catch me." Despite the warning, investigators have their doubts that the message was left by the person(s) responsible for the murders.

"I don't really think it is relevant to the case and more than likely its just some kids being kids," OSBI spokesperson Jessica Brown said in a telephone interview with Investigation Discovery.

Despite their reluctance to take the message seriously, investigators are conducting forensic tests on the cross to determine if it contains any evidence that could be relevant to the case.

In regard to the current status of the investigation, Brown said:

"We are still running leads, interviewing people, polygraphing people [and] doing everything humanly possible. We have had more than 450 leads since the beginning of the investigation and we are in the process of running those down. We have more than half of that finished; it just takes time so we are going to continue doing that until it takes us to the killers."

Since the beginning of the investigation, there has been speculation about whether the two girls had been sexually assaulted prior to their death. Brown said that the OSBI has information pertaining to that but was unable to release it.

According to Brown, the case is solvable; investigators just need the right leads to come in and the right people to come forward with information.

"There are a lot of people that are scared to talk to law enforcement down there so they have to start doing that," Brown said. "It is going to be solved by law enforcement but law enforcement is going to have to have help from the public. Because it was such a remote area, everyone knows each other in that area. A person who would drive on this particular road would have to know how to get there. You or I wouldn't be able to get there. I have been there once but I guarantee you I couldn't get there again. Someone knows something [and] it is a matter of them coming forward and then we can build our case."

On Wednesday, Skyla's father broke his silence and spoke about the murders during an interview with FOX23.com.

While walking down the same road where the girl's were killed, William said that he is constantly reminded of his daughter death, especially in his own home.

"I get up in the morning. I'll look over where she slept. All curled up in a sleeping bag part of the time where she would watch TV all night. She's not there, she's not there," William said.

While he remains thankful for the community support he has received, William is also mindful that there is nothing anyone can do to take away his pain.

"The only thing I want or need I can't ever have," he said, adding, "Those babies didn't do anything to anybody."

The bodies of 11-year-old Skyla Jade Whitaker and 13-year-old Taylor Dawn Paschal-Placker were discovered on the evening of June 8, in a ditch along County Line Road in Weleetka, Oklahoma. Autopsies on the victims revealed that the girls had been shot in the head and chest. Investigators have yet to clarify how many times each girl was shot and will not comment on whether DNA evidence was found on their bodies.

Investigators are continuing their search for a "person of interest" who may have information about the slayings. The person of interest is described as an American Indian male, approximately 35-years-old and about 6-feet-tall, with dark hair and a ponytail. Witnesses said the man was standing near the crime scene, next to a white single cab pickup with an Oklahoma license tag.

The OSBI is offering a reward in excess of $30,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person(s) responsible for the murders. Anyone with information is asked to contact the OSBI hotline at 800-522-8017 or the Okfuskee County Sheriff's Office at 918-623-1122.

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/unsolved/oklahoma_child_murders.html

[Faith]

Grande, here is the article regarding the cross.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/wrnhpg.jpg

[Grande]

Grande, here is the article regarding the cross.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/wrnhpg.jpg

Thanks Faith!

[Claycat]

I was meditating today, and I asked the question about where the killer/killers could be. I got an image of a wounded skunk, trailing blood. It doesn't make much sense to me.

:confused:

[Faith]

I was meditating today, and I asked the question about where the killer/killers could be. I got an image of a wounded skunk, trailing blood. It doesn't make much sense to me.

:confused:

That doesn't sound good. I certainly don't know.

[awakening2lite]

I was meditating today, and I asked the question about where the killer/killers could be. I got an image of a wounded skunk, trailing blood. It doesn't make much sense to me.

:confused:

Dreams are strange things. Night before last I dreamt several bones fell out of the bottom of my left foot and that I had to drag what was left of my foot around. The next day news of a great disappointment arrived. The dream is over, but I'm still dragging the disappointment around.

Maybe the bleeding skunk is the killer having been injured or shot. Or maybe it's the skunk (murderer) and the trail of blood that will lead the LE to him.

[CTVreader]

I was meditating today, and I asked the question about where the killer/killers could be. I got an image of a wounded skunk, trailing blood. It doesn't make much sense to me.

:confused:
I saw you posted that over at TOPIX, but none of the locals could help you out that vision.

[Claycat]

Actually, CTVreader, Roy came up with a place in the Canadian River bottoms called Skunk or Skunkstead where a guy had been sprayed in the face by a skunk many years ago. I asked him if there was a house down there where killers could hide. He said there was an old house there. All the things he had to say about the place were really interesting. I think he is probably full of wonderful (though somewhat graphic and gross) stories.

The skunk wasn't in a dream. It came while I was meditating. However, Awakening2lite, I really liked your interpretations of what it might mean. Some of the things I get are as cryptic as dreams, so dream interpretation might be a good way to look at it. I'm sorry about your disappointment!

[awakening2lite]

Actually, CTVreader, Roy came up with a place in the Canadian River bottoms called Skunk or Skunkstead where a guy had been sprayed in the face by a skunk many years ago. I asked him if there was a house down there where killers could hide. He said there was an old house there. All the things he had to say about the place were really interesting. I think he is probably full of wonderful (though somewhat graphic and gross) stories.

The skunk wasn't in a dream. It came while I was meditating. However, Awakening2lite, I really liked your interpretations of what it might mean. Some of the things I get are as cryptic as dreams, so dream interpretation might be a good way to look at it. I'm sorry about your disappointment!

I think dreams and visions have a close association.

I was also thinking the white strip down the back of the black body of a skunk is similar to the white strips on an interstate highway. Blood might mean something colored red on the interstate or there may be dna evidence on or close to the interstate highway.

My disappointment will pass, with time.

[5boxersmom]

Here is one definition over at urbandictionary.com for skunk.

1. A person regarded as obnoxious or despicable.
2. A person whose company is avoided.


There are others mostly has to do with pot.

[awakening2lite]

Posting this again for anyone who may not have seen it.

http://www.koco.com/2008/0613/16603843.jpg

EXCERPT

Police hope someone will recognize the sketch they release of a person of interest in the case. Anyone with any information should call the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation at 800-522-8017.

source: http://www.koco.com/news/16863770/detail.html#

[Claycat]

I had a weird dream this morning. I dreamed a lady was searching desperately for the killers. She had on a floppy hat and long sleeves, and she was hacking her way through dense foliage.

[Adalena935]

I had a weird dream this morning. I dreamed a lady was searching desperately for the killers. She had on a floppy hat and long sleeves, and she was hacking her way through dense foliage.

hm That's interesting. I wish they'd solve this case or at least get more leads. The kitty photo is darling.

[SavannahStar]

I had a weird dream this morning. I dreamed a lady was searching desperately for the killers. She had on a floppy hat and long sleeves, and she was hacking her way through dense foliage.

When I hear of a lady in a floppy hat I always think of the Jeffrey McDonald case.....:blondblush113268230

:shrug1:

[CMorrison64]

Hi, just joined your boards. I just go from board to board trying to learn something new and new points of views ... and pray every minute that they catch the killer(s); this case is just consuming me and so sad and sooooo soooo senseless.

[awakening2lite]

Hi, just joined your boards. I just go from board to board trying to learn something new and new points of views ... and pray every minute that they catch the killer(s); this case is just consuming me and so sad and sooooo soooo senseless.

Welcome aboard, CMorrison!

We all hope and pray this case will expose all the parties for the punishment they deserve.

Have you found anything new about this case? Because you have read, in so many places, I am looking forward to reading you. :howdy:

[Adalena935]

Hi, just joined your boards. I just go from board to board trying to learn something new and new points of views ... and pray every minute that they catch the killer(s); this case is just consuming me and so sad and sooooo soooo senseless.

HI CMorrison, So good to see you. I honestly feel they will solve this case. Especially since there are witnesses. That's more than most cases have luxury of.

[Faith]

Hi, just joined your boards. I just go from board to board trying to learn something new and new points of views ... and pray every minute that they catch the killer(s); this case is just consuming me and so sad and sooooo soooo senseless.

Welcome to HFTM CMorrison, I look for to hearing your point of view on this case.

For Taylor & Skyla - Justice will be served- :1222423:

[TigressPen]

I think LE has a suspect in mind, they just don't know where that person is and/or need more evidence to prove guilt. I am glad they are being methodical and doing it right. No rush to judgement, tunnel-vision can be claimed.

[KittyMom]

Waiting for an arrest this week. Let's put this case to bed so that the families can have some sense of closure.

[CTVreader]

Hi, just joined your boards. I just go from board to board trying to learn something new and new points of views ... and pray every minute that they catch the killer(s); this case is just consuming me and so sad and sooooo soooo senseless.
I saw you had joined Websleuths the other day, many same posters here I see.

[Claycat]

This post is from Topix.

"I live and work in rural osage county. Today I was contacted by the US Marshal service in reference to a man that is sought for questioning in the murder of these two young girls. For the past 8 hours we've been conducting surveillance on a residence where he is supposed to reside in Fairfax Oklahoma. At approximately 0115 hrs. this man was located and arrested on a warrant for failure to register as a sex offender in Osage County. His name was William Henry Byrd. Being a father of 3 my heart goes out to the families involved. God bless."


Here is his record with photos.

http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=229&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&offender_id=28318&county=osage&imageindex=5

[LiveLaughLuv]

Claycat, is this man connected to Skyla and Taylors' murders?

I guess they will interrogate him to see if he is and if he cracks...

Hopefully the girls and their families will get their justice, if he is connected to their murders.

[SavannahStar]

This post is from Topix.

"I live and work in rural osage county. Today I was contacted by the US Marshal service in reference to a man that is sought for questioning in the murder of these two young girls. For the past 8 hours we've been conducting surveillance on a residence where he is supposed to reside in Fairfax Oklahoma. At approximately 0115 hrs. this man was located and arrested on a warrant for failure to register as a sex offender in Osage County. His name was William Henry Byrd. Being a father of 3 my heart goes out to the families involved. God bless."


Here is his record with photos.

http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=229&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&offender_id=28318&county=osage&imageindex=5


I think he does resemble the composite.

[LiveLaughLuv]

I think he does resemble the composite.


You're right Savannah.

Seems like the pony tail is tucked into his shirt in that mug shot.

[packy]

When I hear of a lady in a floppy hat I always think of the Jeffrey McDonald case.....:blondblush113268230

:shrug1:

Same first thought I had.

I was so hoping they would have made an arrest by now.

Welcome to CMorrison and CTVreader.

[Grande]

Count as Filed: , ASSAULT AND BATTERY WITH A DANGEROUS WEAPON , in violation of 21 O.S. 0645
Date Of Offense: 11/25/1989
Defendant: BYRD, WILLIAM HENRY
Disposed: DISMISSED, 12/14/1989. Dismissed- Prosecution Witness Failed to Appear.
Count as Disposed:ASSAULT AND BATTERY WITH A DANGEROUS WEAPON

Count as Filed: , ATTEMPTED BURGLARY OF AUTOMOBILE , in violation of 21 O.S. 1435Date Of Offense: 01/07/1990
Defendant: BYRD, WILLIAM HENRY
Disposed: DISMISSED, 03/27/1990. Dismissed- Request of the State.
Count as Disposed:

Count as Filed: , ASSAULT AND BATTERY WITH A DANGEROUS WEAPON , in violation of 21 O.S. 0645
Date Of Offense: 09/05/1990
Defendant: Byrd, William Henry
Disposed: CONVICTION, 12/11/1990. Nolo Contendere Plea.
Count as Disposed:ASSAULT AND BATTERY WITH DANGEROUS WEAPON

Count as Filed: , AGGRAVATED ASSAULT AND BATTERY , in violation of 21 O.S. 0646
Date Of Offense: 09/05/1990
Defendant: Byrd, William Henry
Disposed: CONVICTION, 12/11/1990. Nolo Contendere Plea.
Count as Disposed:AGG A & B
Violation of 21 O.S.

Count as Filed: , RAPE BY INSTRUMENTATION / AFCF/FELONY , in violation of 21 O.S. 1111 0001
Date Of Offense: 04/06/1995
Defendant: BYRD, WILLIAM HENRY
Disposed: CONVICTION, 04/10/1996. Jury Trial.
Count as Disposed:RAPE BY INSTRUMENTATION / AFCF/FELONY
Violation of 21 O.S. 1111 0001

Count as Filed: , ASSAULT AND BATTERY UPON A POLICE DOG/ MISDEMEANOR , in violation of 21 O.S. 0649
Date Of Offense: 04/06/1995
Defendant: BYRD, WILLIAM HENRY
Disposed: ACQUITTED, 03/06/1996. Jury Trial.
Count as Disposed:ASSAULT AND BATTERY UPON A POLICE DOG/ MISDEMEANOR
Violation of 21 O.S. 0649

Count as Filed: , RESISTING AN OFFICER / MISDEMEANOR , in violation of 21 O.S. 0268
Date Of Offense: 04/06/1995
Defendant: BYRD, WILLIAM HENRY
Disposed: CONVICTION, 04/10/1996. Jury Trial.
Count as Disposed:RESISTING AN OFFICER / MISDEMEANOR
Violation of 21 O.S. 0268

[SavannahStar]

Assault and Battery on a Police Dog!!!!!!!!! :madranting94dp:

What the heck is rape by instrumentation.....do I dare ask. :blondblush113268230

[Grande]

Taunting note scrawled on cross at slain Weleetka girls' memorial
By MATT BARNARD World Staff Writer
Last Modified: 7/16/2008 9:57 PM

A message scrawled on a cross at a roadside memorial for two slain girls was likely written by pranksters and isn’t being treated as a serious lead, an official said.

A vandal wrote “something to the effect of ‘you’ll never catch me,’ ” Jessica Brown, a spokeswoman for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, said Wednesday.

The cross was one of several at the makeshift memorial for Skyla Jade Whitaker, 11, and Taylor Paschal-Placker, 13, who were both shot several times as they walked down a rural road about three miles northwest of Weleetka.

“We believe kids did it, vandalized it to get attention, which is exactly what happened,” Brown said.

Investigators seized the cross but aren’t pursuing the message as a legitimate lead, she said.

Flowers, balloons and stuffed animals mark the spot where the girls were killed June 8. Since then, there have been no arrests, suspects or motive.

Even fingerprints on the cross wouldn’t be useful to investigators, Brown said. “Hundreds of people have probably touched it, so I don’t know that anything can be done with it,” she said.

The OSBI followed hundreds of leads after releasing a sketch of a “person of interest” in June, but none led to a suspect.

Although investigators are focused on finding a killer rather than the defaced memorial, the vandalism is disheartening, Brown said.

“It’s a sad state of affairs when someone is going to deface a cross representing children who were killed,” she said.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080716_1__Amess80543

[Claudia]

Assault and Battery on a Police Dog!!!!!!!!! :madranting94dp:

What the heck is rape by instrumentation.....do I dare ask. :blondblush113268230

I wanted to know that too, SS.... but was afraid to ask!

[Faith]

Weleetka Memorial Vandalized

7/17/2008

(Weleetka, OK) -- A message left scrawled across one of the crosses marking the site where two Weleetka girls were gunned down has caught the attention of the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation. Spokesperson Jessica Brown declined to give exact details of the message, saying only, quote, "It said something to the effect of 'You'll never catch me.'" The message was left one month after the bodies of eleven-year-old Skyla Whitaker and 13-year-old Taylor Paschal-Placker were found along a rural Okfuskee County road, just a few hundred yards from Taylor's home. Brown says the message is likely insignificant to their investigation into the murders, which is still ongoing.

http://www.1520kokc.com/localnews/Channels/Story.aspx?ID=1016971

[Faith]

what a shame :madranting94dp:

[Faith]

I wanted to know that too, SS.... but was afraid to ask!

Rape by instrumentation is an act within or without the bonds of
matrimony in which any inanimate object or any part of the human body,
not amounting to sexual intercourse is used in the carnal knowledge of
another person without his or her consent and penetration of the anus
or vagina occurs to that person. Provided, further, that at least one
of the circumstances specified in Section 1111 of this title has been
met.

http://oklegal.onenet.net/oklegal-cgi/ifetch?Oklahoma_Statutes.99+852614634632+F

[Claudia]

Rape by instrumentation is an act within or without the bonds of
matrimony in which any inanimate object or any part of the human body,
not amounting to sexual intercourse is used in the carnal knowledge of
another person without his or her consent and penetration of the anus
or vagina occurs to that person. Provided, further, that at least one
of the circumstances specified in Section 1111 of this title has been
met.

http://oklegal.onenet.net/oklegal-cgi/ifetch?Oklahoma_Statutes.99+852614634632+F

Okay, thank you Faith.

[SavannahStar]

Rape by instrumentation is an act within or without the bonds of
matrimony in which any inanimate object or any part of the human body,
not amounting to sexual intercourse is used in the carnal knowledge of
another person without his or her consent and penetration of the anus
or vagina occurs to that person. Provided, further, that at least one
of the circumstances specified in Section 1111 of this title has been
met.

http://oklegal.onenet.net/oklegal-cgi/ifetch?Oklahoma_Statutes.99+852614634632+F

Thanks. Still confusing. :0009: I figured "inanimate object" maybe but it also says "OR any part of the human body."

Oh well, no need to carry this further I guess.

[Grande]

New Info In Weleetka Murders
Updated: July 18, 2008 02:07 PM CDT

Authorities have scheduled a Monday morning news conference concerning the murder of two girls just outside of Weleetka in early June.

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation says new information concerning the case in the deaths of 11-year old Skyla Whitaker and 13-year old Taylor Placker will be released at that time.

Officials say they also plan to release an excerpt of a 911 call made by a family member of one of the girls' moments after they were discovered along a county road.

The girls' deaths occurred on June 8.

Thus far, OSBI agents, Okfuskee County District Attorney's Investigators, U.S. Marshalls, Oklahoma Highway Patrol troopers and many other law enforcement personnel have run more than 500 leads in this case.

The news conference will be held Monday morning in front of the Okfuskee County Courthouse.

http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8698948

[Claudia]

New Info In Weleetka Murders
Updated: July 18, 2008 02:07 PM CDT

Authorities have scheduled a Monday morning news conference concerning the murder of two girls just outside of Weleetka in early June.

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation says new information concerning the case in the deaths of 11-year old Skyla Whitaker and 13-year old Taylor Placker will be released at that time.

Officials say they also plan to release an excerpt of a 911 call made by a family member of one of the girls' moments after they were discovered along a county road.

The girls' deaths occurred on June 8.

Thus far, OSBI agents, Okfuskee County District Attorney's Investigators, U.S. Marshalls, Oklahoma Highway Patrol troopers and many other law enforcement personnel have run more than 500 leads in this case.

The news conference will be held Monday morning in front of the Okfuskee County Courthouse.

http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8698948

Thanks for the heads up, Grande.

[SavannahStar]

Wow, thanks Grande. It's about time for some news!

[Grande]

NP.

I can't help but wonder if it's at all related to the arrest of William Henry Byrd III. I suppose we will find out Monday.

[mandysmom]

NP.

I can't help but wonder if it's at all related to the arrest of William Henry Byrd III. I suppose we will find out Monday.
I was thinking the same thing, Grande.

He does bear a somewhat strong resemblance to the POI in this case.

I hope it's some good news for the families and maybe a resolution to this case.

[SavannahStar]

NP.

I can't help but wonder if it's at all related to the arrest of William Henry Byrd III. I suppose we will find out Monday.


I immediately thought that.

[Faith]

New Info In Weleetka Murders
Updated: July 18, 2008 02:07 PM CDT

Authorities have scheduled a Monday morning news conference concerning the murder of two girls just outside of Weleetka in early June.

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation says new information concerning the case in the deaths of 11-year old Skyla Whitaker and 13-year old Taylor Placker will be released at that time.

Officials say they also plan to release an excerpt of a 911 call made by a family member of one of the girls' moments after they were discovered along a county road.

The girls' deaths occurred on June 8.

Thus far, OSBI agents, Okfuskee County District Attorney's Investigators, U.S. Marshalls, Oklahoma Highway Patrol troopers and many other law enforcement personnel have run more than 500 leads in this case.

The news conference will be held Monday morning in front of the Okfuskee County Courthouse.

http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8698948

Thanks Grande, this is good news. At least we will be hearing something!!

[KittyMom]

NP.

I can't help but wonder if it's at all related to the arrest of William Henry Byrd III. I suppose we will find out Monday.

arghhhhhh...wait til Monday. What a bunch of teasers. :rolleye0001:

[Pandabear]

I hope and pray that we will learn something positive from the news conference on Monday since there's been NOTHING positive about this case from day one.

If this does have to do with Byrd, or any other POI, I can't imagine why they would announce on Friday that they will hold a news conference on Monday unless they are planning to use the weekend to bring charges, etc.

Please let this be the answer whether it is Byrd or someone else, just please let the monster who murdered these babies be brought to justice.

[5boxersmom]

i hope and pray that we will learn something positive from the news conference on monday since there's been nothing positive about this case from day one.

If this does have to do with byrd, or any other poi, i can't imagine why they would announce on friday that they will hold a news conference on monday unless they are planning to use the weekend to bring charges, etc.

Please let this be the answer whether it is byrd or someone else, just please let the monster who murdered these babies be brought to justice.

ita

[LiveLaughLuv]

arghhhhhh...wait til Monday. What a bunch of teasers. :rolleye0001:


I agree.

I look here every day for some new developments, now to wait until Monday, and I won't be here to learn what it is. I hope I can get this on the news on the west coast....:groan:

[awakening2lite]

arghhhhhh...wait til Monday. What a bunch of teasers. :rolleye0001:


This seems to be the trend LE is taking all over the country: "No arrest expected over the weekend", "Monday News conferences", and etc. and etc.. Geesh, why make an announcement on Friday? I suppose they like to build the audience, too. Oh well, at least we know something is going to happen.

[Harmony]

New Info In Weleetka Murders
Updated: July 18, 2008 02:07 PM CDT

Authorities have scheduled a Monday morning news conference concerning the murder of two girls just outside of Weleetka in early June.

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation says new information concerning the case in the deaths of 11-year old Skyla Whitaker and 13-year old Taylor Placker will be released at that time.

Officials say they also plan to [b]release an excerpt of a 911 call/b] made by a family member of one of the girls' moments after they were discovered along a county road.

The girls' deaths occurred on June 8.

Thus far, OSBI agents, Okfuskee County District Attorney's Investigators, U.S. Marshalls, Oklahoma Highway Patrol troopers and many other law enforcement personnel have run more than 500 leads in this case.

The news conference will be held Monday morning in front of the Okfuskee County Courthouse.

http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8698948

Just thinking out loud:

Would they be releasing an excerpt of the 911 call if they were close to making an arrest (namely Byrd)? It appears to me that there is something on that 911, possibly something PP saw or said that they want to release to encourage someone to come forward.

I wonder if they have the crimescene DNA results back yet.

In addition, they may have fingerprints on the casings and possibly even touch DNA. It is my understanding that those type of tests are done within minutes so they would have been able to compare to Byrd's rather quickly. I read he had been released on bond.

[Claycat]

I have been asking about the Keloughs. There are several Keloughs who live in the area. Some of them have records. There is a guy named Dillon Harris. He is also a relative of the Keloughs through his mother. Dillon Harris has a record of assault with a dangerous weapon. I understand from someone who knows that he is always in trouble.

Dillon Harris is a redhead. (I had picked up on a redhead.) I understand there may be a Brian/Bryan Kelough. I'm trying to find out if there is , because I picked up on the name Brian.

Okay, here's the stretch! I had also picked up on the name Lazarus. Last night, something occurred to me that gave me a chill. Remember Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris? Enter Dillon Harris, a kind of resurrection of those two names. (I told you it was a stretch!)

Anyway, one of the Keloughs and her son were some of the witnesses that heard the shots.

A lady named Elizabeth posted this on Topix, and I thought you might be interested in reading it. Her post is at the top of the page.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p326#lastPost

[awakening2lite]

Just thinking out loud:

Would they be releasing an excerpt of the 911 call if they were close to making an arrest (namely Byrd)? It appears to me that there is something on that 911, possibly something PP saw or said that they want to release to encourage someone to come forward.

I wonder if they have the crimescene DNA results back yet.

In addition, they may have fingerprints on the casings and possibly even touch DNA. It is my understanding that those type of tests are done within minutes so they would have been able to compare to Byrd's rather quickly. I read he had been released on bond.

Hi Harmony,

The release of the 911 call has my interest, too. But, I was coming from the opposite direction. I wondered if it is to satisfy the public curiosity and provide LE some offering for the news conference. It certainly is getting top billing as far as what we can expect to have revealed. If it is, in any way, part of the case my thinking is it would be kept sealed for court.

Can't find anything about how long it takes to run the dna from touch samples.

[Harmony]

Hi Harmony,

The release of the 911 call has my interest, too. But, I was coming from the opposite direction. I wondered if it is to satisfy the public curiosity and provide LE some offering for the news conference. It certainly is getting top billing as far as what we can expect to have revealed. If it is, in any way, part of the case my thinking is it would be kept sealed for court.

Can't find anything about how long it takes to run the dna from touch samples.

Hi A2L,

I am puzzled as to why they are releasing an excerpt of the 911 now. Look at the following information by a poster at websleuths who has a contact in Weleetka:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67594&page=7
post#161 FlowerChild

Re: the touch DNA, IIRC, a guest on Nancy Grace (a lab technician stated it is done fairly quickly, when the Ramseys were cleared). I wonder if they may have touch DNA on the casings in this case. Here is some info on touch DNA:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7341251.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/11/law.ukcrime?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews

[Claycat]

I have some rumors for you from topix. One poster is saying that the store owners in Henryetta have been taking down the POI posters, because they have been asked to get them down before Monday.

Another poster who is masquerading as Sam, but is not Sam, is saying the witness withdrew the statement about the POI.

I don't know if any of these are true.

The poster we know as Columbo is reporting that it is two boys, ages 15 and 18, and that the 15 yo old is being protected by parents.

[Harmony]

Does anyone know what time the pc will take place today?

[Claudia]

Does anyone know what time the pc will take place today?

I don't. As soon as someone finds out, please post! Also, I will not be able to watch on TV, I am hoping they will have a live feed online. Who's broadcasting it? Fox?

[Faith]

FoxNews just said in about an hour will be the PC. So, about 11am CST.

[Faith]

I have some rumors for you from topix. One poster is saying that the store owners in Henryetta have been taking down the POI posters, because they have been asked to get them down before Monday.

Another poster who is masquerading as Sam, but is not Sam, is saying the witness withdrew the statement about the POI.

I don't know if any of these are true.

The poster we know as Columbo is reporting that it is two boys, ages 15 and 18, and that the 15 yo old is being protected by parents.

how interesting-- tyvm CC.

[Claudia]

FoxNews just said in about an hour will be the PC. So, about 11am CST.

Thanks, Faith. I hope they have a live feed, I can't watch it. :frown: If not, could someone post a synopsis? Thanks a bunch!

[TigressPen]

I got a breaking news alert that a news conference will happen at 10:30 central...

[TigressPen]

One of them was testing the mics and said new information will be released. Jessica Brown is giving out copies of the 911 tape. About a minute and half of the full 6 minute tape is being given out.

[TigressPen]

Thanks, Faith. I hope they have a live feed, I can't watch it. :frown: If not, could someone post a synopsis? Thanks a bunch!



www.koco.com

[Faith]

OMG @ the 911 call----:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[TigressPen]

OMG @ the 911 call----:1187603408.CR.Mothe



I know! That brought tears to my eyes. How could anyone think she had anything to do with these murders... all this bashing just gripes my constitution!! I was so hoping they had good news on a suspect. :(

[Harmony]

OMG @ the 911 call----:1187603408.CR.Mothe

Who was that on the 911 (mom or grandma?) I always thought Peter Placker found them and made the call.

[TigressPen]

Those girls bullet riddled bodies has to haunt the families for the rest of their lives. It's not like it was a hit-and-run accident. This was cold blooded murder.

[TigressPen]

Who was that on the 911 (mom or grandma?) I always thought Peter Placker found them and made the call.


It was the grandmother... they always called her daughter, raised her as their daughter.

[Harmony]

It was the grandmother... they always called her daughter, raised her as their daughter.

Taylor's grandma? I read Skyla's grandma worked down the road. Heartbreaking!! :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[awakening2lite]

Officials Release 911 Tape in Double Slaying of Oklahoma Girls

EXCERPT
Officials released the first minute of a 911 tape in the double murder of two young girls gunned down on a rural road in the hope that it will spark new leads in a case that's stymied investigators for seven weeks.

source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387201,00.html

[awakening2lite]

OSBI plays 911 tape in effort to get new leads

EXCERPT

OSBI spokeswoman Jessica Brown played an emotional 911 tape Monday in hopes of generating more leads in the case

EXCERPT

Authorities say they have no suspect or motive in the killings.

source: http://www.kswo.com/Global/story.asp?S=8708338

[Harmony]

(Did I misunderstand?) Jessica Brown stated that was the only 911 call placed. Did she mean from that particular cell phone or in total?

[Faith]

Who was that on the 911 (mom or grandma?) I always thought Peter Placker found them and made the call.

I was about to post that I thought he (PP) made the call also from the cell phone of Taylor she had with her at the crime scene..

[SavannahStar]

Heartbreaking!

But I have a question. Maybe I'm dense here but......how do they feel that first minute+ of the 911 call could generate new leads?

[Claudia]

Heartbreaking!

But I have a question. Maybe I'm dense here but......how do they feel that first minute+ of the 911 call could generate new leads?

The only thing I think releasing it may do is renew some public interest in the case. Other than that, I can't imagine. Not sure how I feel about them releasing it at all. Seems like her anguish is a private thing, not to be shared with the entire world. IMO, FWIW.

[SavannahStar]

The only thing I think releasing it may do is renew some public interest in the case. Other than that, I can't imagine. Not sure how I feel about them releasing it at all. Seems like her anguish is a private thing, not to be shared with the entire world. IMO, FWIW.


Yes....I agree. After I posted though, I was thinking that maybe the call is SO desperate, SO heartbreaking, that someone who knows something might just start having a conscience about it, and call in. Well who knows.

[awakening2lite]

The only thing I think releasing it may do is renew some public interest in the case. Other than that, I can't imagine. Not sure how I feel about them releasing it at all. Seems like her anguish is a private thing, not to be shared with the entire world. IMO, FWIW.


I agree, but maybe they believe the deeply felt emotion in the call will appeal to someone who has information and hasn't yet come forward.

[Faith]

Interesting post by FlowerChild 07-19-2008, 10:28 PM

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2397438

[Faith]

Taylor's grandfather, Peter Placker, found the girls about of a mile from their home after the girls went for a walk Sunday evening and didn't return. Placker went looking for the girls after Taylor couldn't be reached on her cell phone. Placker used Taylor's cell phone to place a 911call, Ross said.

http://newsok.com/article/3255420?topten_check=yes

Unless there are 2 911 calls- this isn't adding up.

[Harmony]

Interesting post by FlowerChild 07-19-2008, 10:28 PM

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2397438

Faith I posted that on the previous page. I am glad you reposted because it is very interesting!

I have the links to the audio and transcript to the 911. Should I post them?

[Faith]

Faith I posted that on the previous page. I am glad you reposted because it is very interesting!

I have the links to the audio and transcript to the 911. Should I post them?

Yes, please post them.

[awakening2lite]

Faith I posted that on the previous page. I am glad you reposted because it is very interesting!

I have the links to the audio and transcript to the 911. Should I post them?

Please post them in the LINKS thread, too. TIA

[Faith]

Faith I posted that on the previous page. I am glad you reposted because it is very interesting!

I have the links to the audio and transcript to the 911. Should I post them?

I'm sorry, I didn't see you make the post, I didn't read back thru the thread.

[Harmony]

Audio of 911 call:

http://www.kwtv.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=2714256&h1=Listen%20to%20the%20911%20tape&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=50367&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=61999471


transcript of 911 call:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387482,00.html

[Claudia]

Yes....I agree. After I posted though, I was thinking that maybe the call is SO desperate, SO heartbreaking, that someone who knows something might just start having a conscience about it, and call in. Well who knows.

I agree, but maybe they believe the deeply felt emotion in the call will appeal to someone who has information and hasn't yet come forward.

Yes, that could be true. I don't recall hearing so much pain in a 911 call in a long, long time, if ever. Really heartbreaking. I hope they're right & someone comes forward.

[SavannahStar]

Taylor's grandfather, Peter Placker, found the girls about of a mile from their home after the girls went for a walk Sunday evening and didn't return. Placker went looking for the girls after Taylor couldn't be reached on her cell phone. Placker used Taylor's cell phone to place a 911call, Ross said.

http://newsok.com/article/3255420?topten_check=yes

Unless there are 2 911 calls- this isn't adding up.


Yes.......strange. We all heard that Peter Placker made the call.

Though I'm sure there's an explanation somehow for this. Curious. Must be two calls were made. Maybe hers was the first?

[Faith]

Yes.......strange. We all heard that Peter Placker made the call.

Though I'm sure there's an explanation somehow for this. Curious. Must be two calls were made. Maybe hers was the first?

I don't know how hers could be first if he used Taylor's phone? Perhaps he called his wife then she called 911?

Still confusing.

[Claudia]

Yes.......strange. We all heard that Peter Placker made the call.

Though I'm sure there's an explanation somehow for this. Curious. Must be two calls were made. Maybe hers was the first?

I seem to recall something about his call coming 20 minutes after he found the girls... is that right? I have a horrible memory, so I sure could be wrong, but I remember hearing it & wondering why so long. Maybe he ran home first and told his wife & she called, he went back to the girls, remembered Taylor's cell & called them from there too? - Or called his wife & told her to call 911? Then he remembered the phone & decided to call too? I could see him finding the girls & then running home, but then again, would he want to leave them lying there alone? If it was my son (God forbid), I wouldn't be able to leave him.

[Pandabear]

So is the woman we're hearing on the 911 call, Taylor's grandmother or Skyla's grandmother? She kept going back and forth between granddaughter/daughter, so I just assumed it was Taylor's grandmother. This is all so very confusing.

I find it extremely odd that it was reported that the Plackers were home but didn't hear the gun shots, now we're finding out that they weren't even home.

[annalyzer]

Audio of 911 call:

http://www.kwtv.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=2714256&h1=Listen%20to%20the%20911%20tape&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=50367&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=61999471


transcript of 911 call:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387482,00.html

Is it her daughter or her granddaughter? :confused:

[Faith]

So is the woman we're hearing on the 911 call, Taylor's grandmother or Skyla's grandmother? She kept going back and forth between granddaughter/daughter, so I just assumed it was Taylor's grandmother. This is all so very confusing.

I find it extremely odd that it was reported that the Plackers were home but didn't hear the gun shots, now we're finding out that they weren't even home.

JMO- Skyla's GM

[Pandabear]

Does anyone remember the link that included Jessica Brown of the OSBI talking about the wind blowing the sound away from the house, and possibly the TV running and the A/C running and that being the reason the Plackers didn't hear the shots?

Why would she go into all that if they weren't even home?:waitasec:

[annalyzer]

Does anyone remember the link that included Jessica Brown of the OSBI talking about the wind blowing the sound away from the house, and possibly the TV running and the A/C running and that being the reason the Plackers didn't hear the shots?

Why would she go into all that if they weren't even home?:waitasec:

I just got here and I'm missing something. Who said that they weren't home?

[SavannahStar]

Does anyone remember the link that included Jessica Brown of the OSBI talking about the wind blowing the sound away from the house, and possibly the TV running and the A/C running and that being the reason the Plackers didn't hear the shots?

Why would she go into all that if they weren't even home?:waitasec:


I definitely recall hearing that about the wind, etc., but the way I recall it is as a reason people didn't hear the shots, not the Plackers in particular.

But it's been so long...my memory is fading on some facts of this case.

[Harmony]

Interesting post by FlowerChild 07-19-2008, 10:28 PM

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2397438

Anna, this is the link that mentions them not being home.

[Pandabear]

Thanks Harmony, that's the link where I saw the info posted about them not being home.

[annalyzer]

Anna, this is the link that mentions them not being home.


Thanks for replying. I was beginning to think I was invisible. Posting on several threads and no one replying. :girl_sad:

[Claudia]

Awww.... we can see you, Anna! :love0085:

[annalyzer]

Awww.... we can see you, Anna! :love0085:


Is that you in your avatar? Pretty girl. :kissyface4:

[Claudia]

Is that you in your avatar? Pretty girl. :kissyface4:

Yes, it's me. Thanks. :redface:

[SavannahStar]

Yes, it's me. Thanks. :redface:


LOVE those bangs! :happy0158:

[Harmony]

The full press conference with Q&A:
http://www.koco.com/video/16946343/index.html

[Claycat]

Grande, I just saw your post at that other site. You said the Weleetka students were known as Outlaws. That kind of freaked me out, because of my June 30 post.


6-30-2008

I think these guys fancy themselves as some kind of young guns, outlaws. I get an olde tyme image of them. One (the redhead) sitting next to a table with his ankle resting on his knee, a rifle across his lap. The other is standing, like Billy the Kid, with his rifle standing by his side. He has a Dick Cheney snarl on his face. They know they have gone past the point of no return and have become legends in their own minds. That image is so clear. If it is not an intuitive image, then my imagination has gone haywire.

I believe they didn't use rifles for this crime, but this is how they picture themselves.


Columbo said, "Check all the outlaws...you'll find at least one of them..."

This is so strange!

[KittyMom]

So, who's voice is on the 911 call?

[SavannahStar]

Anna, this is the link that mentions them not being home.

Hmmm. That's not "official" though, is it? Just what a poster claims she heard......

[Claycat]

Faith, a couple of new things! I was trying again this morning. Unfortunately I got very sleepy. First I got Caylee blowing kisses. She does it an odd way. She kisses her fist, then opens her hand, fingers outspread, and releases the kisses upward.

I got the word rialto. I got a number like 22906 or 2290something. I'm not sure what the last number is. If it's a zip code, it's around Charlottesville, VA. I really don't know if these last 2 things have to do with Caylee or not.

[SavannahStar]

Faith, a couple of new things! I was trying again this morning. Unfortunately I got very sleepy. First I got Caylee blowing kisses. She does it an odd way. She kisses her fist, then opens her hand, fingers outspread, and releases the kisses upward.

I got the word rialto. I got a number like 22906 or 2290something. I'm not sure what the last number is. If it's a zip code, it's around Charlottesville, VA. I really don't know if these last 2 things have to do with Caylee or not.

Aw Claycat, you did exactly what I did about a week ago.....posted about a case on another case's thread. :blondblush113268230

:021:

[Claudia]

LOVE those bangs! :happy0158:

:girl_haha: Thanks! Funny you should say that. I just cut them that thick about a month ago, I was all nervous about doing it, but I really, really wanted them, so I did. I love them now!

[Grande]

Grande, I just saw your post at that other site. You said the Weleetka students were known as Outlaws. That kind of freaked me out, because of my June 30 post.


6-30-2008

I think these guys fancy themselves as some kind of young guns, outlaws. I get an olde tyme image of them. One (the redhead) sitting next to a table with his ankle resting on his knee, a rifle across his lap. The other is standing, like Billy the Kid, with his rifle standing by his side. He has a Dick Cheney snarl on his face. They know they have gone past the point of no return and have become legends in their own minds. That image is so clear. If it is not an intuitive image, then my imagination has gone haywire.

I believe they didn't use rifles for this crime, but this is how they picture themselves.


Columbo said, "Check all the outlaws...you'll find at least one of them..."

This is so strange!

Wow, that is very interesting Claycat!!

[Grande]

So, who's voice is on the 911 call?

Claudia Farrow or Vicky Paschal Placker imo

[Harmony]

Hmmm. That's not "official" though, is it? Just what a poster claims she heard......

Hi Savannah (love that name)!

Yes you are correct. A poster claims she has a credible source in Waleetka. Her source appears to be in law enforcement. It is another layer of info that we can ponder or totally discard since it is not official and she stipulates that in her posts. (IMO the poster is very astute and credible.)

[Harmony]

Transcript of Jessica Brown on Nancy Grace 7/21/08:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/21/ng.01.html

[Harmony]

The full press conference with Q&A:
http://www.koco.com/video/16946343/index.html

Listen and right after the ring at the 4:20-21 time stamp you can hear a small child (it sounds like a boy to me) saying "He thinks they're dead." Then she yells "What?....What?"

Who is that small child?