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Faith

07-24-2008, 09:29 PM

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Information Threads
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=146

Caylee discussion thread #1
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6702

Caylee discussion thread #2
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6849

Caylee discussion thread #3
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6866

Caylee discussion thread #4
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6888

Claudia

07-24-2008, 09:49 PM

Thanks for the clean slate, Faith! :happy0158:

Tracian

07-24-2008, 10:00 PM

This is amazing...this case is so bizarre...

And Caylee is still lost....

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:06 PM

Greta just played the 911 tapes! Now Cindy's being interviewed (from earlier today) trying to explain the content of the calls. Greta's also pointing out Cindy's statement about the odor in the car (911 call) and the "pizza".

chambord

07-24-2008, 10:08 PM

Greta just played the 911 tapes! Now Cindy's being interviewed (from earlier today) trying to explain the content of the calls.

Those 911 calls discount all that Cindy has been saying on her media appearances, including the pizza comment. She recognized the scent in that car right away. Her credibilty is out the window.

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 10:08 PM

GM is as nuts as her daughter.....

My mother and I had this discussion last night and she said "Come hell or high water I would send you down the river to find my granddaughter"

Grande

07-24-2008, 10:11 PM

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showpost.php?p=305810&postcount=13

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:12 PM

Those 911 calls discount all that Cindy has been saying on her media appearances, including the pizza comment. She recognized the scent in that car right away. Her credibilty is out the window.

Hi cham! :0012: It sure is out the window! Are you watching Greta and listening to her panel's comments? Even Gloria Allred could find anything to say to defend them!

Xmygrits

07-24-2008, 10:12 PM

GM is as nuts as her daughter.....

My mother and I had this discussion last night and she said "Come hell or high water I would send you down the river to find my granddaughter"

Oh and this line from GM..."I'll knock on every door on this planet till I find her" ~ So far the door knocking count stands at ZERO!

Isabella

07-24-2008, 10:12 PM

This is amazing...this case is so bizarre...

And Caylee is still lost....
Why does Casey recall 31 days so much?

And why did Grandma lie under oath and say she kept in close contact the entire time she was gone, her 911 call contraditcs that.

Cindy has never seen on TV how 911 calls are saved?

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:14 PM

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showpost.php?p=305810&postcount=13

thanks Grande! :smile: Those are very interesting!

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 10:14 PM

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showpost.php?p=305810&postcount=13

Thanks Grande, BUT, color me stupid. WHAT is a white party? Cocaine? :0009:

chambord

07-24-2008, 10:15 PM

Hi cham! :0012: It sure is out the window! Are you watching Greta and listening to her panel's comments? Even Gloria Allred could find anything to say to defend them!

Check out Grande's posts on the links thread. Casey's posts. That girl has no heart, IMO. She's looking to party while her daughter is missing.

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:16 PM

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 10:17 PM

Why does Casey recall 31 days so much?

And why did Grandma lie under oath and say she kept in close contact the entire time she was gone, her 911 call contraditcs that.

Cindy has never seen on TV how 911 calls are saved?

I caught that TOO Isa..... paraphrased" I have been looking for my daughter for over a month, I have found her and know I can't find my grandaughter" sheesh. Let her keep talking, she will seal Caseys fate.....:happy0158:

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:17 PM

Check out Grande's posts on the links thread. Casey's posts. That girl has no heart, IMO. She's looking to party while her daughter is missing.
Doesn't this remind you of another missing child case in the Orlando area? :1187603408.CR.Mothe

Faith

07-24-2008, 10:19 PM

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showpost.php?p=305810&postcount=13

Thanks Grande, I wonder if this is when she was in Jacksonville?

Jute

07-24-2008, 10:19 PM

chambord

07-24-2008, 10:20 PM

I caught that TOO Isa..... paraphrased" I have been looking for my daughter for over a month, I have found her and know I can't find my grandaughter" sheesh. Let her keep talking, she will seal Caseys fate.....:happy0158:

Or perhaps her own. I hope I don't come across as vindictive but I am hoping Cindy can't make that bail. Maybe a few more days in jail will break Casey. And has a phsyc evalutaion been done on Casey yet?

Trailblazer

07-24-2008, 10:20 PM

Why does Casey recall 31 days so much?

And why did Grandma lie under oath and say she kept in close contact the entire time she was gone, her 911 call contraditcs that.

Cindy has never seen on TV how 911 calls are saved?

That's what I find strange...31 days??? Why not a date???? And from some of the entries Casey made on Facebook and Myspace...they are even more strange...

Faith

07-24-2008, 10:21 PM

Isabella

07-24-2008, 10:21 PM

And isn't her husband retired LE? :smiley_aasg:
lol Yes!

I don't think she thought this all out, nor did she realize how her attacking LE and the media would bite her in the butt, she may have thought all would be nice to her and her initial attitude assured that wasn't going to happen.

And sickening to me was an interview from earilier from today where she says this has all brought the family closer together, especially her relationship with Casey...
Has she forgot about Caylee? I would be telling Casey make a sketch and do it NOW or I won't even try and bail you out, but hey that's just me!

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:22 PM

I've never seen one of Greta's panels in agreement like this one was. :frown:

Neither have I ~ even Gloria Allred!! :thud2:

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 10:22 PM

That's what I find strange...31 days??? Why not a date???? And from some of the entries Casey made on Facebook and Myspace...they are even more strange...

Exactly. not "I dropped Caylee off on June ????? and
I CAN"T FIND HER"

Trailblazer

07-24-2008, 10:22 PM

Thanks Grande, BUT, color me stupid. WHAT is a white party? Cocaine? :0009:

LOL don't feel like the Lone Ranger...I was thinking everyone dressed in white...but I bet you're probably closer to what it means...:shrug1:

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 10:22 PM

Check out Grande's posts on the links thread. Casey's posts. That girl has no heart, IMO. She's looking to party while her daughter is missing.

but, maybe Caylee hadn't gone 'missing' yet when those posts were made.

chambord

07-24-2008, 10:23 PM

Doesn't this remind you of another missing child case in the Orlando area? :1187603408.CR.Mothe

Every step of the way. LE has a chance to change the outcome on this one though if they just keep Casey in their gun sight, unlike Melinda.

Faith

07-24-2008, 10:23 PM

LOL don't feel like the Lone Ranger...I was thinking everyone dressed in white...but I bet you're probably closer to what it means...:shrug1:

I won't say what I thought. :girl_haha:

Faith

07-24-2008, 10:26 PM

but, maybe Caylee hadn't gone 'missing' yet when those posts were made.

It was said in the beginning June 9th is when Casey last saw Caylee.

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 10:26 PM

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showpost.php?p=305810&postcount=13

I don't remember exactly which case it was but I do remember reading similar posts on some Orlando site and it was hookers telling out of town johns to come to Orlando and party. Sounds a lot like the one you referenced.

And now I'm just gonna say it: Anyone who puts their child's face as an avatar on a site like myspace and is intending to hook up is asking for trouble for the child. It's almost like asking for child sexual predator to date. IMO it's stupid and dangerous for the child.

chambord

07-24-2008, 10:27 PM

but, maybe Caylee hadn't gone 'missing' yet when those posts were made.

Casey said on the 911 tape , *31* days. One of the posts Grande listed is dated 6/25. Is Casey lying on the 911 tape?

KittyMom

07-24-2008, 10:28 PM

Cindy said under oath she talked to Casey every day.

yep...she said that they talked on the phone or text-messaged every day. Guessing she wasn't watching TV the night they talked about LE being about to track cell activity.

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 10:28 PM

It was said in the beginning June 9th is when Casey last saw Caylee.

According to Casey who also told a ton of other lies and is the POI. Why believe anything she says? She isn't doing anything to help find her own child, why expect truth?

Trailblazer

07-24-2008, 10:28 PM

LOL don't feel like the Lone Ranger...I was thinking everyone dressed in white...but I bet you're probably closer to what it means...:shrug1:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Party

The Miami White Party is an annual fundraiser party for HIV/AIDS research. The all-white clothing theme was chosen by co-founder Frank Wager because, as he said, "

There are alot of white parties...across the country

Faith

07-24-2008, 10:28 PM

i am almost 3 years old.
i have shoulder-length, light brown hair
and i have dark hazel (brown/green) eyes.
i have a birth mark on my left shoulder/arm.
i'm approximately 3 feet tall,
and weigh about 35 lbs.

i have been missing since Monday, June 9, 2008.

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:29 PM

Every step of the way. LE has a chance to change the outcome on this one though if they just keep Casey in their gun sight, unlike Melinda.

I completely agree ~ keep her in jail and don't give her the opportunity to kill herself before Caylee's found. I believe Casey knows exactly what happened to Caylee whether she killed her or traded her for drugs. Anyone who likes to party so much should never have had this precious little girl, imo.

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 10:29 PM

but, maybe Caylee hadn't gone 'missing' yet when those posts were made.

Casey said in the 911 call that Caylee had been missing for 3 days, June 15th ...... Casey's party post was datred June 25th. :0009::1187603408.CR.Mothe

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 10:30 PM

Casey said on the 911 tape , *31* days. One of the posts Grande listed is dated 6/25. Is Casey lying on the 911 tape?

I think a better question would be, is she telling the only truth, so far, about the 31 days? I have my doubts.

gramvof14

07-24-2008, 10:30 PM

Has anyone thought that maybe she left the child in the car while she was partying and she died from the heat.She sure is stupid enough to do that.IMO:groan:

KittyMom

07-24-2008, 10:30 PM

I have this picture in my head of the LE spokesman walking back into the building and joining all the other LE standing around after the PC and they all break into a moonwalk. lol Keep LE out of the loop on tips and LE keeps you out of the loop of the release of evidence. lol

I think that's called being "owned".

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:30 PM

yep...she said that they talked on the phone or text-messaged every day. Guessing she wasn't watching TV the night they talked about LE being about to track cell activity.

I agree!! Where has she been for the last few years, in a hole? Look how many suspects are brought down by using their cell phones!

Faith

07-24-2008, 10:30 PM

According to Casey who also told a ton of other lies and is the POI. Why believe anything she says? She isn't doing anything to help find her own child, why expect truth?

I don't know what to believe on these dates.. remember, also supposedly on July 15th Caylee is in a photo with grampa.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/ccc1-1.jpg

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 10:31 PM

Isabella

07-24-2008, 10:31 PM

That's what I find strange...31 days??? Why not a date???? And from some of the entries Casey made on Facebook and Myspace...they are even more strange...
Well Trail, you know me well and for a long time...lol ..and you know I harp, so I am stuck on the fact Casey puts the last time she saw Caylee (if 31 days is right) to me the night she left her Mom's house.

Nothing adds up to me...I am trying..lol

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:32 PM

I don't know what to believe on these dates.. remember, also supposedly on July 15th Caylee is in a photo with grampa.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/ccc1-1.jpg

That would be June 15, Father's Day. :smile:

Pauli

07-24-2008, 10:32 PM

Thanks Grande, BUT, color me stupid. WHAT is a white party? Cocaine? :0009:

YouTube - White Party 2008 - GAYS GONE WILD! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqV59hi95-0)

The White Party - Miami | Gay.com Local Scene profile (http://zoom.gay.com/viewEvent.do?eventId=1640)

The 24th Annual White Party Week - Miami, Florida (http://www.whiteparty.org/)The 23rd Annual White Party Week Miami is the Worlds Largest and Oldest HIV/AIDS

this is just a few.. I am assuming that is what they were meaning.

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 10:32 PM

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 10:32 PM

According to Casey who also told a ton of other lies and is the POI. Why believe anything she says? She isn't doing anything to help find her own child, why expect truth?

Because I WANT to believe all the things that Casey says that MAKE CA look like a Piece of "Male Cow Dung" :67302:

KittyMom

07-24-2008, 10:32 PM

Has anyone thought that maybe she left the child in the car while she was partying and she died from the heat.She sure is stupid enough to do that.IMO:groan:

I don't see her being bothered to take Caylee with her. I can see her locking Caylee up inside the house.

I think she was sleeping off a hangover and Caylee got into that pool.

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:33 PM

Where does the date June 9th come from? The mother who isn't telling anything but lies?

Weren't the 911 calls on 7/15? Counting back, that doesn't come to June 9. :smiley_aasg:

Faith

07-24-2008, 10:34 PM

Where does the date June 9th come from? The mother who isn't telling anything but lies?

The very first article posted on this case.
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6702

KittyMom

07-24-2008, 10:34 PM

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 10:34 PM

I don't see her being bothered to take Caylee with her. I can see her locking Caylee up inside the house.

I think she was sleeping off a hangover and Caylee got into that pool.

I thought about the POOL angle also. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

chambord

07-24-2008, 10:35 PM

YouTube - White Party 2008 - GAYS GONE WILD! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqV59hi95-0)

The White Party - Miami | Gay.com Local Scene profile (http://zoom.gay.com/viewEvent.do?eventId=1640)

The 24th Annual White Party Week - Miami, Florida (http://www.whiteparty.org/)The 23rd Annual White Party Week Miami is the Worlds Largest and Oldest HIV/AIDS

this is just a few.. I am assuming that is what they were meaning.

Pauli

Can you close the other daily thread? U'm trying to keep up and two open threads confuse me this late in the day.

Faith

07-24-2008, 10:35 PM

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:35 PM

KittyMom

07-24-2008, 10:36 PM

I thought about the POOL angle also. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

Kids LOVE pools. They are curious and can climb a pool ladder. Once they're in the water its too late if no one sees them. :frown:

Isabella

07-24-2008, 10:36 PM

Has anyone thought that maybe she left the child in the car while she was partying and she died from the heat.She sure is stupid enough to do that.IMO:groan:
Yes I have thought that to Gram, but then if the cadavor dogs hitting on scent in backyard and her odd borrowing of the shovel and backing car in, how does that fit in? Unless Casey came back to house while mom and dad were gone.
Do you remember the date the shovlel was borrowed?

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 10:37 PM

Weren't the 911 calls on 7/15? Counting back, that doesn't come to June 9. :smiley_aasg:

But, who is providing the number of days that Caylee is 'missing'? The same person who is the POI. The same person who has lied about everything so far.

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:37 PM

I thought about the POOL angle also. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

Many children drown in swimming pools every year and their parents don't wait a month to report them missing or cover up their deaths, even if the child snuck out of the house and got in the pool. I just don't think it's something as accidental as drowning. :frown:

Faith

07-24-2008, 10:39 PM

Kids LOVE pools. They are curious and can climb a pool ladder. Once they're in the water its too late if no one sees them. :frown:

great thoughts KM.

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:39 PM

But, who is providing the number of days that Caylee is 'missing'? The same person who is the POI. The same person who has lied about everything so far.
I know, but it still doesn't make sense to me that she gave an exact count of the days (like how many people do that?) instead of the date. I don't believe anything she's said either, but it's just weird the way she gave the timeline. :shrug1:

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 10:39 PM

Many children drown in swimming pools every year and their parents don't wait a month to report them missing or cover up their deaths, even if the child snuck out of the house and got in the pool. I just don't think it's something as accidental as drowning. :frown:

Well, listening too this dig bat GM and all her lies, just like her daughter, I wouldn't put anything past them. :0009:

Claycat

07-24-2008, 10:40 PM

If it is true that GM had Caylee at her father's nursing home on the 15th of June, then it occurred to me that GM did something with Caylee. Maybe she hid her away from her daughter! Casey kept saying that it had been 31 days since she had seen her. That was the day Cindy had Caylee at the nursing home. What if Cindy didn't bring Caylee back?

I mean, they're both liars. It could have been GM!

Trailblazer

07-24-2008, 10:40 PM

Has anyone thought that maybe she left the child in the car while she was partying and she died from the heat.She sure is stupid enough to do that.IMO:groan:

That was my thought...but the dogs hit on the trunk and not the inside of the car... :shrug1:

Isabella

07-24-2008, 10:40 PM

I don't see her being bothered to take Caylee with her. I can see her locking Caylee up inside the house.

I think she was sleeping off a hangover and Caylee got into that pool.
Hi Kitty do you mean the pool at mom's house?

You think maybe Cindy wasn't home and didn't know if Casey packed bags for them, she just was gone when mom got home?

chambord

07-24-2008, 10:41 PM

YouTube - White Party 2008 - GAYS GONE WILD! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqV59hi95-0)

The White Party - Miami | Gay.com Local Scene profile (http://zoom.gay.com/viewEvent.do?eventId=1640)

The 24th Annual White Party Week - Miami, Florida (http://www.whiteparty.org/)The 23rd Annual White Party Week Miami is the Worlds Largest and Oldest HIV/AIDS

this is just a few.. I am assuming that is what they were meaning.

Is it possible Casey has a leaning towards the same sexual preferance , and that was a bone of contention between Cindy and her?

KittyMom

07-24-2008, 10:41 PM

Well, listening too this dig bat GM and all her lies, just like her daughter, I wouldn't put anything past them. :0009:

If they were already arguing about Cindy taking Caylee away from Casey or vise versa then I can see Casey going into a panic and trying to hide what happened.

Claycat

07-24-2008, 10:41 PM

Maybe GM was the sitter Casey left Caylee with!

KittyMom

07-24-2008, 10:42 PM

Hi Kitty do you mean the pool at mom's house?

You think maybe Cindy wasn't home and didn't know if Casey packed bags for them, she just was gone when mom got home?

I've read that at some point Cindy and George were on vacation. Given that and both of them working, there were probably days when Casey and Caylee were at home alone.

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 10:42 PM

The very first article posted on this case.
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6702

EXCERPT from your link

Authorities said Caylee Marie Anthony has been missing since June 9th. According to investigators her mother, Casey Marie Anthony said she dropped the child off with a friend and babysitter “Zenaida” at a local apartment complex “The Sawgrass Apartments” on that day.

-----------------------------------------

The 5 big lies

Lie #1: Casey Anthony told detectives that she last saw 2-year-old Caylee after dropping her off at Sawgrass Apartments #210 on South Conway Road (see map) on June 9, but the apartment has been vacant since February.

Lie #2: Casey told detectives that she's an event planner at Universal Studios. They brought her to the park telling her they were hoping to find clues in her locker. She told security she had lost her identification and then led investigators on a long walk through the park until she finally admitted she was fired two years ago.

Lie #3: Casey told detectives Caylee's babysitter had once lived in an apartment building in Orlando, which they found is for seniors only. It is across the street from her friend's home, where she even stayed after Caylee disappeared.

"I am very, very close to the family. I was close to Casey," Amy Huizenga told Eyewitness News.

They were close, she said, until she recently accused Casey of stealing more than $700.

"I'm very worried for the child. Why not? She's been missing for a month. There's no reason not to be worried for this kid. I love her a lot. She's a great girl," she said.

Lie #4: Casey claims a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez is Caylee's longtime babysitter. When investigators talked to Gonzalez, she told them she doesn't know the Anthonys and has never been a babysitter.

Lie #5: Investigators say, during the time after Casey claims Caylee disappeared with the babysitter, she told her boyfriend Caylee was with the "nanny" at Disney.

source: http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html

--------------------------------

So why believe the June 9th date coming only from the mother who constantly lies?

She can't distance herself from the child in any other way, only by the distance of the date. I think she made it up to justify her having her mom's car all that time.

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 10:44 PM

Many children drown in swimming pools every year and their parents don't wait a month to report them missing or cover up their deaths, even if the child snuck out of the house and got in the pool. I just don't think it's something as accidental as drowning. :frown:

It's possible, but why hide an accident and risk being imprisoned?

Claudia

07-24-2008, 10:44 PM

I have to say something about the "31 days" - I can imagine that if my son was missing (God forbid), I would know exactly how many days I had been without him.

Now, having said that - no, I don't believe a word Casey is saying, I just don't find it weird that she said the number of days. :shrug1:

chambord

07-24-2008, 10:44 PM

I know, but it still doesn't make sense to me that she gave an exact count of the days (like how many people do that?) instead of the date. I don't believe anything she's said either, but it's just weird the way she gave the timeline. :shrug1:

Think Rainman, good with numbers, but lacking in common sense and logic. Casey just might have an undisclosed disability, never treated or recognized.

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 10:44 PM

If they were already arguing about Cindy taking Caylee away from Casey or vise versa then I can see Casey going into a panic and trying to hide what happened.

See what I DON"T get, is whether it's the mother or the grandmother (and I use those terms lossely) WHY would EITHER of them cover for the other, except if they were BOTH envolved. I would run ANYONE up a flag pole for hurting a child, I don't care who they were. :104511::71541::madranting94dp:

Isabella

07-24-2008, 10:45 PM

I know, but it still doesn't make sense to me that she gave an exact count of the days (like how many people do that?) instead of the date. I don't believe anything she's said either, but it's just weird the way she gave the timeline. :shrug1:
Maybe if the Nanny/kidnapper doesn't work out for her she will try and pin it on grandma. Grandma saw Caylee that day to, maybe..maybe not. :rolleye0001: So many lies but thankfully LE knows and has records to go by...

KittyMom

07-24-2008, 10:48 PM

See what I DON"T get, is whether it's the mother or the grandmother (and I use those terms lossely) WHY would EITHER of them cover for the other, except if they were BOTH envolved. I would run ANYONE up a flag pole for hurting a child, I don't care who they were. :104511::71541::madranting94dp:

I think Cindy is a control freak. She realizes she's lost her granddaughter, she's not going to lose her daughter too. Think about it...a 22 yr old with a child, no job, and no high school diplomia. Why didn't she insist that Casey go to school or get a job...without either one she's dependent on Cindy for everything.

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:49 PM

Maybe GM was the sitter Casey left Caylee with!

So then where's Caylee? Cindy did something to her? :confused:

Isabella

07-24-2008, 10:49 PM

OK well Casey says 31 days...grandma said she hadn't seen Casey for 5 weeks on the 911 call? What date would that be? Counting back from the date of the 911 call July 15th.

I calculate slow...:shrug1:

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 10:49 PM

Maybe if the Nanny/kidnapper doesn't work out for her she will try and pin it on grandma. Grandma saw Caylee that day to, maybe..maybe not. :rolleye0001: So many lies but thankfully LE knows and has records to go by...

I thought it was funny when NG was interviewing Casey's "BFF Tara" Per Tara's myspace page. She said "Nanny, Babysitter, whatever" LOL They are way different. WHY would Casey need a Nanny when Casey and Caylee where living with GM, even if she worked fulltime. Where would Casey come up with the money to HIRE a NANNY, when she didn't even work?

KittyMom

07-24-2008, 10:50 PM

Somewhere I've seen a photo that I believe came from the Father's Day visit. In it is the same older gentleman holding Caylee and standing beside him is Casey. They were outside with a table in front of them like maybe they'd been eating. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:51 PM

Think Rainman, good with numbers, but lacking in common sense and logic. Casey just might have an undisclosed disability, never treated or recognized.

That might be possible. Why didn't she finish high school?

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 10:51 PM

I know, but it still doesn't make sense to me that she gave an exact count of the days (like how many people do that?) instead of the date. I don't believe anything she's said either, but it's just weird the way she gave the timeline. :shrug1:

The grandmother had just told the 911 operator that her daughter, Casey, stole her car and was missing for 30 days. Casey heard it. So when asked how long Caylee was missing she just added a day to make it 31. She might have told her mother she took the car to find Caylee and probably told the LE the same thing. She didn't want charges pressed for grand theft auto and maybe she really can't remember it because she was too partied out. IMO

Harmony

07-24-2008, 10:52 PM

I've read that at some point Cindy and George were on vacation. Given that and both of them working, there were probably days when Casey and Caylee were at home alone.

Hi KM! I have thought of a similar scenario.
Do we know the date of their vacation?

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 10:52 PM

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:53 PM

OK well Casey says 31 days...grandma said she hadn't seen Casey for 5 weeks on the 911 call? What date would that be? Counting back from the date of the 911 call.

I calculate slow...:shrug1:

If the call was July 15 (a Tuesday), 5 weeks prior would be June 10 (a Tuesday). 31 days would be June 15 (including July 15th in the count backward). :smile:

Faith

07-24-2008, 10:54 PM

EXCERPT from your link

So why believe the June 9th date coming only from the mother who constantly lies?

She can't distance herself from the child in any other way, only by the distance of the date. I think she made it up to justify her having her mom's car all that time.

Are you referring to me believing the June 9th date?

These were my post on the date June 9th.

I don't know what to believe on these dates.. remember, also supposedly on July 15th Caylee is in a photo with grampa.

I also posted this which came from myspace of GM, bro etc

i am almost 3 years old.
i have shoulder-length, light brown hair
and i have dark hazel (brown/green) eyes.
i have a birth mark on my left shoulder/arm.
i'm approximately 3 feet tall,
and weigh about 35 lbs.

i have been missing since Monday, June 9, 2008.

It was said in the beginning June 9th is when Casey last saw Caylee.

Claudia

07-24-2008, 10:54 PM

KittyMom

07-24-2008, 10:55 PM

That might be possible. Why didn't she finish high school?

One of Cindy's first interviews with the local media reported this. She only needed 1/2 of a credit to graduate. Never said why she didn't.

chambord

07-24-2008, 10:55 PM

That might be possible. Why didn't she finish high school?

A learning disability and not able to focus may have frustrated her and caused her to drop out. Casey wouldn't be the first or the last who didn't come under the umbrella of no child left behind.

Jute

07-24-2008, 10:55 PM

GM is as nuts as her daughter.....

My mother and I had this discussion last night and she said "Come hell or high water I would send you down the river to find my granddaughter"

Your mother is a moral and strong woman - but don't forget that you are her daughter, I don't foresee you floating down any rivers at any time in the future. :smile: I said basically the same thing the other day - I cannot understand how a parent justifies supporting their child in a situation like this as love or support.

KittyMom

07-24-2008, 10:55 PM

So Casey was at the nursing home?

I'm trying to find that photo because I believe she was.

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:56 PM

The grandmother had just told the 911 operator that her daughter, Casey, stole her car and was missing for 30 days. Casey heard it. So when asked how long Caylee was missing she just added a day to make it 31. She might have told her mother she took the car to find Caylee and probably told the LE the same thing. She didn't want charges pressed for grand theft auto and maybe she really can't remember it because she was too partied out. IMO

:doh: It had completely gone past me that Cindy mentioned 30 days about the car being missing. That's probably exactly where she got it from and coincidentally it matches up with Father's Day.

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 10:56 PM

So Casey was at the nursing home?

I don't think we know IF Casey was there, just that Caylee was there with her great grandpa (if the date stamp on the picture is to be believed) :0009:

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 10:57 PM

Are you referring to me believing the June 9th date?

These were my post on the date June 9th.

I also posted this which came from myspace of GM, bro etc

Sorry, Faith, I meant you in the plural sense, not you directly. I've read where you have had questions concerning the truthfulness of the date.

I just think that the date is provided by the POI. Everything the POI has provided LE has been a lie. Why we or anyone should put anything into her 31 day report is beyond me. I think it is a false path she is trying to lead others down to save her skin.

Claudia

07-24-2008, 10:57 PM

Okay guys. I'm off to bed. Ya'll take it easy tonight, don't leave me with 20 pages to catch up on in the morning! I'll be back bright & early! :happy0207:

Claudia

07-24-2008, 10:58 PM

I'm trying to find that photo because I believe she was.

Oh, great, KM! I hope you find it! Talk to you in the AM!

sunstar

07-24-2008, 10:59 PM

One of Cindy's first interviews with the local media reported this. She only needed 1/2 of a credit to graduate. Never said why she didn't.

So if she made it that far, it doesn't seem she had learning impairments. Maybe partying got in the way. :shrug1:

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:00 PM

Okay guys. I'm off to bed. Ya'll take it easy tonight, don't leave me with 20 pages to catch up on in the morning! I'll be back bright & early! :happy0207:

Good night, Claudia :happy0207:

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:00 PM

Okay guys. I'm off to bed. Ya'll take it easy tonight, don't leave me with 20 pages to catch up on in the morning! I'll be back bright & early! :happy0207:

Have a goodnight Claudia! :love0081:

Isabella

07-24-2008, 11:00 PM

If the call was July 15 (a Tuesday), 5 weeks prior would be June 10 (a Tuesday). 31 days would be June 15 (including July 15th in the count backward). :smile:
TY...hey that is what I got to..lol

Of corse the problem is Cindy seems to be in a fog lets just say.
Those dates don't add up either. If you noticed she said on the 911 or interview today she waited on police for two hours before calling back to 911..

Well that isn't true either , the first 911 was 8:44 pm and the second was 9:41...so her two hours is off. Imagine that!

Trailblazer

07-24-2008, 11:00 PM

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:01 PM

:doh: It had completely gone past me that Cindy mentioned 30 days about the car being missing. That's probably exactly where she got it from and coincidentally it matches up with Father's Day.

Yep.
That's it.

KittyMom

07-24-2008, 11:01 PM

Oh, great, KM! I hope you find it! Talk to you in the AM!

Nite-nite

Faith

07-24-2008, 11:01 PM

Sorry, Faith, I meant you in the plural sense, not you directly. I've read where you have had questions concerning the truthfulness of the date.

I just think that the date is provided by the POI. Everything the POI has provided LE has been a lie. Why we or anyone should put anything into her 31 day report is beyond me. I think it is a false path she is trying to lead others down to save her skin.

I don't believe much of anything at this point.

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 11:01 PM

Your mother is a moral and strong woman - but don't forget that you are her daughter, I don't foresee you floating down any rivers at any time in the future. :smile: I said basically the same thing the other day - I cannot understand how a parent justifies supporting their child in a situation like this as love or support.

Actually, My mom and I are great friends and talk about everything, everyday, on another front, without going into too much detail, she HAS set one of her two children down the river to float on his own. Given a long line of disfuctional behavior she is throwing in the towel and supporting the children that he is leaving behind. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

Faith

07-24-2008, 11:01 PM

Okay guys. I'm off to bed. Ya'll take it easy tonight, don't leave me with 20 pages to catch up on in the morning! I'll be back bright & early! :happy0207:

Nighters :love0085:

chambord

07-24-2008, 11:02 PM

Now that those 911 tapes have been released have we seen the last of Cindy on the talks show circuit?

Isabella

07-24-2008, 11:02 PM

Okay guys. I'm off to bed. Ya'll take it easy tonight, don't leave me with 20 pages to catch up on in the morning! I'll be back bright & early! :happy0207:
NN Claudia :smile:

Trailblazer

07-24-2008, 11:02 PM

I thought it was funny when NG was interviewing Casey's "BFF Tara" Per Tara's myspace page. She said "Nanny, Babysitter, whatever" LOL They are way different. WHY would Casey need a Nanny when Casey and Caylee where living with GM, even if she worked fulltime. Where would Casey come up with the money to HIRE a NANNY, when she didn't even work?

That Tara was from MI...so was it really a friend of Casey's or just someone wanting on TV????:shrug1:

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:03 PM

So if she made it that far, it doesn't seem she had learning impairments. Maybe partying got in the way. :shrug1:

I so agree with your line of thought.

Jobs got in the way of partying too.

Now, wasn't there something about her spending more than her job paid and then they find out she wasn't employed?

So, where did she get money?

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 11:03 PM

Now that those 911 tapes have been released have we seen the last of Cindy on the talks show circuit?

You think? :doh:

I don't think she's that smart. :67302:

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:04 PM

TY...hey that is what I got to..lol

Of corse the problem is Cindy seems to be in a fog lets just say.
Those dates don't add up either. If you noticed she said on the 911 or interview today she waited on police for two hours before calling back to 911..

Well that isn't true either , the first 911 was 8:44 pm and the second was 9:41...so her two hours is off. Imagine that!

I really don't put much faith in either of their stories ~ or dates. If the photo of Caylee & greatgrandpa is on Father's Day, then it seems that was the last known date she was seen.

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:04 PM

Nite-nite

Good night, KittyMom :happy0207:

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 11:05 PM

That Tara was from MI...so was it really a friend of Casey's or just someone wanting on TV????:shrug1:

Her myspace page said, (some place in MI and Orlando) :0009:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=104604117

Jute

07-24-2008, 11:06 PM

Why does Casey recall 31 days so much?

And why did Grandma lie under oath and say she kept in close contact the entire time she was gone, her 911 call contraditcs that.

Cindy has never seen on TV how 911 calls are saved?

I can't figure out if Cindy is so off-the-chart controlling that she has managed to live her life by bluffing with threats and is still trying to do so with LE, media, and the public; or if she is so out of touch with reality, for whatever reason, that she thinks no one will verify the s**t she says. :frustratedf:

She's a nasty, controlling person-that's clear-and her anger when she thinks she is losing control is just scary.

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:06 PM

Nighters :love0085:

Good night, Faith :happy0207:

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:07 PM

I so agree with your line of thought.

Jobs got in the way of partying too.

Now, wasn't there something about her spending more than her job paid and then they find out she wasn't employed?

So, where did she get money?

Someone who has unaccounted for money with no job is either stealing or doing something else illegal, imo. Did she ever apply for govt. assistance for Caylee?

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 11:07 PM

I so agree with your line of thought.

Jobs got in the way of partying too.

Now, wasn't there something about her spending more than her job paid and then they find out she wasn't employed?

So, where did she get money?

I believe that last job that Casey said she had was "She was currently at Paramount' turns out it was 2002 IIRC :0009:

Faith

07-24-2008, 11:07 PM

Good night, Faith :happy0207:

I was saying GN to Claudia. lol

Jute

07-24-2008, 11:09 PM

That's what I find strange...31 days??? Why not a date???? And from some of the entries Casey made on Facebook and Myspace...they are even more strange...

I wonder about that, too. By saying 31 days, it leaves wiggly room because it depends on which day you start counting. More deceit? Lee also said Casey took his aside and told him out of Cindy's hearing that she hadn't seen Caylee for 31 days-it was on the 911 tape. Cindy knew!

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:09 PM

Someone who has unaccounted for money with no job is either stealing or doing something else illegal, imo. Did she ever apply for govt. assistance for Caylee?

I don't know. I would guess, if she had, she wouldn't have been telling people that she had a job. :shrug1:

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:09 PM

I believe that last job that Casey said she had was "She was currently at Paramount' turns out it was 2002 IIRC :0009:

When she was 16? Oh that's a good work record!! :tongue:

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:11 PM

I don't know. I would guess, if she had, she wouldn't have been telling people that she had a job. :shrug1:

I'm just trying to figure it out too which might give a clue what happened to Caylee. If she was heavily into drugs or doing some illegal activity as a "job" then its possible Caylee was traded or sold to the dealer/pimp. Otherwise I think little Caylee isn't with us any longer. :frown:

Jute

07-24-2008, 11:11 PM

LOL don't feel like the Lone Ranger...I was thinking everyone dressed in white...but I bet you're probably closer to what it means...:shrug1:

I thought the same thing - maybe to celebrate the start of summer. :67302:

I don't have a MySpace, either. :blondblush113268230 Am I out of it? :parting:

Isabella

07-24-2008, 11:13 PM

That Tara was from MI...so was it really a friend of Casey's or just someone wanting on TV????:shrug1:
I will just say imo... birds of a feather flock together :wink:

Jute

07-24-2008, 11:13 PM

It was said in the beginning June 9th is when Casey last saw Caylee.

We should start a DATES thread. There have been so many different dates offered, suggested, inferred, discovered. :frustratedf:

Faith

07-24-2008, 11:15 PM

We should start a DATES thread. There have been so many different dates offered, suggested, inferred, discovered. :frustratedf:

It's hard to keep up with all these dates. Sadly, no telling when Caylee went missing.

Isabella

07-24-2008, 11:15 PM

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 11:16 PM

I'm just trying to figure it out too which might give a clue what happened to Caylee. If she was heavily into drugs or doing some illegal activity as a "job" then its possible Caylee was traded or sold to the dealer/pimp. Otherwise I think little Caylee isn't with us any longer. :frown:

To be honest I think these two are a piece of work. None of this makes any sense at all. She doesn't work, but has a nanny. Mother and father are her sole means of support (?) YET, she can take off for a month (give or take a few days) while paying a nanny to take her child on vacation while she moves in with her boyfriend. :0009:

Kick me in the A** :104511: and call me stupid :71541:

KittyMom

07-24-2008, 11:20 PM

I was saying GN to Claudia. lol

lol I was too. But here's a big nighty-nite to anyone else about to nod off.

:happy0207:

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:20 PM

I'm just trying to figure it out too which might give a clue what happened to Caylee. If she was heavily into drugs or doing some illegal activity as a "job" then its possible Caylee was traded or sold to the dealer/pimp. Otherwise I think little Caylee isn't with us any longer. :frown:

I know how you feel. My very first thought was that she traded or left the child for drugs. But if she was also using the child as an avatar on myspace and trying to hook up with people, maybe she just left her with a stranger predator and can't remember it. Maybe her 'date' put something in her drink and she woke up somewhere 'else' and can't remember were she left the child. There's no mention of where she was leaving the child while she was out partying so maybe she took the child with her and kept her in the car or maybe she just can't remember where she left her.

Once a person goes down that path, any number of things can happen.

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:20 PM

Gee she stole $700 from her friend, wouldn't you love to know how much in charges or cash she used on Cindy's CC? lol

Stealing money tells me way too much (illegal) partying was going on. Just MOO!! :smile:

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:22 PM

stealing money tells me way too much (illegal) partying was going on. Just moo!! :smile:

ditto

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:24 PM

I know how you feel. My very first thought was that she traded or left the child for drugs. But if she was also using the child as an avatar on myspace and trying to hook up with people, maybe she just left her with a stranger predator and can't remember it. Maybe her 'date' put something in her drink and she woke up somewhere 'else' and can't remember were she left the child. There's no mention of where she was leaving the child while she was out partying so maybe she took the child with her and kept her in the car or maybe she just can't remember where she left her.

Once a person goes down that path, any number of things can happen.

I think part of my problem is I can't relate to this at all, except from watching shows like 'Intervention' and what I've heard addicts do, and other crimes where children have turned up dead because of mother leaving them in the car while they were drinking & partying. Then on the other hand, there's the tour Cindy gave of Casey's bedroom and you'd think Casey was the most devoted perfect mother in the world. Of course, what did the room really look like before the cameras got there?? :smile:

Jute

07-24-2008, 11:24 PM

yep...she said that they talked on the phone or text-messaged every day. Guessing she wasn't watching TV the night they talked about LE being about to track cell activity.

If George wanted to verify things like her claim that they talked every day, he could just look on their cell bill-calls are itemized. I'm really confused about his role in this.

Isabella

07-24-2008, 11:26 PM

Stealing money tells me way too much (illegal) partying was going on. Just MOO!! :smile:
Same here. ITA

I hope Cindy had a low credit limit...
Well no I really don't care...
She should have known Casey wasn't getting a paycheck or contrbuting to bills or the care of Caylee
she should have been paying more attention..:shrug1:

Jute

07-24-2008, 11:27 PM

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:27 PM

I think part of my problem is I can't relate to this at all, except from watching shows like 'Intervention' and what I've heard addicts do, and other crimes where children have turned up dead because of mother leaving them in the car while they were drinking & partying. Then on the other hand, there's the tour Cindy gave of Casey's bedroom and you'd think Casey was the most devoted perfect mother in the world. Of course, what did the room really look like before the cameras got there?? :smile:

LOL, it might have looked perfect, if she didn't really spend much time there. She was also gone for a month and maybe mom cleaned it when she searched it for clues to her whereabouts.

Casey is like an overgrown teenage without boundaries. Mom is an enabler. MOO.

Trailblazer

07-24-2008, 11:28 PM

If George wanted to verify things like her claim that they talked every day, he could just look on their cell bill-calls are itemized. I'm really confused about his role in this.

Not sure about that...My cell bill isn't itemized...just shows how many minutes I've used...

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 11:29 PM

Not sure about that...My cell bill isn't itemized...just shows how many minutes I've used...

Mine shows every call made and for how long. Must be a verizonewireless thing :happy0158:

Blessed

07-24-2008, 11:31 PM

Casey said on the 911 tape , *31* days. One of the posts Grande listed is dated 6/25. Is Casey lying on the 911 tape?

Something to think about . . .

Casey possibly hadn't realized Caylee was missing yet. Remember, Casey states she dropped her off at babysitter on June 9 and when she went back to get her, they were gone. Although we're pretty sure the June 9 date is wrong because of the Father's Day visit, I haven't seen it stated anywhere WHEN Casey went back to get her. Maybe it was 2 weeks later or longer? Come to think of it, she also never said that the babysitter actually lived at that apartment, just that she dropped her off there.

Not defending Casey in any way, just thinking of all possibilities. What do y'all think?

Pauli

07-24-2008, 11:31 PM

Mine shows every call made and for how long. Must be a verizonewireless thing :happy0158:

Mine is like that too with AT&T

Lilly

07-24-2008, 11:32 PM

O'Reilly and Megyn are talking about Caylee right now... re-run from earlier.

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:32 PM

LOL, it might have looked perfect, if she didn't really spend much time there. She was also gone for a month and maybe mom cleaned it when she searched it for clues to her whereabouts.

Casey is like an overgrown teenage without boundaries. Mom is an enabler. MOO.

It looked too perfect, imo ~ like, not lived in. So I do think Cindy cleaned it up 'for the cameras' to make it look like Casey was such a "good mother". :smile:

Lilly

07-24-2008, 11:33 PM

Didn't say anything new..

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:33 PM

Mine shows every call made and for how long. Must be a verizonewireless thing :happy0158:

Do you pay extra for that breakdown? I know some companies will do it but they want to be paid for it.

annalyzer

07-24-2008, 11:33 PM

I'm behind in all of this. When did Casey take her mother's car for it to be later considered stolen from her mother?

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:34 PM

Mine is like that too with AT&T

I also have at&t and everything is on the bill!!

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:35 PM

O'Reilly and Megyn are talking about Caylee right now... re-run from earlier.

I saw him earlier tonight and it was just a recap of what we've seen.

annalyzer

07-24-2008, 11:35 PM

Mine shows every call made and for how long. Must be a verizonewireless thing :happy0158:

Mine (Alltel) stopped doing that about two years ago. Pizzed me off.

Trailblazer

07-24-2008, 11:35 PM

Mine shows every call made and for how long. Must be a verizonewireless thing :happy0158:

That's who I have too...hmmm...wonder why my bill doesn't show the detail....

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:36 PM

Something to think about . . .

Casey possibly hadn't realized Caylee was missing yet. Remember, Casey states she dropped her off at babysitter on June 9 and when she went back to get her, they were gone. Although we're pretty sure the June 9 date is wrong because of the Father's Day visit, I haven't seen it stated anywhere WHEN Casey went back to get her. Maybe it was 2 weeks later or longer? Come to think of it, she also never said that the babysitter actually lived at that apartment, just that she dropped her off there.

Not defending Casey in any way, just thinking of all possibilities. What do y'all think?

EXCERPT
Lie #1: Casey Anthony told detectives that she last saw 2-year-old Caylee after dropping her off at Sawgrass Apartments #210 on South Conway Road (see map) on June 9, but the apartment has been vacant since February.

http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:36 PM

Mine (Alltel) stopped doing that about two years ago. Pizzed me off.

My Cingular (now at&t) plan has always had it. :shrug1:

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:38 PM

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:38 PM

It looked too perfect, imo ~ like, not lived in. So I do think Cindy cleaned it up 'for the cameras' to make it look like Casey was such a "good mother". :smile:

LOL I have never figured out how an impeccable space equates to excellent character.

Trailblazer

07-24-2008, 11:38 PM

I'm behind in all of this. When did Casey take her mother's car for it to be later considered stolen from her mother?

I don't think Casey really stole the car...Cindy was pissed at Casey for being gone 30 days...and then abandoning the car, it being towed to the wreckers and then having to pay for the storage charges....plus Cindy couldn't get Casey to tell her where Caylee was...

So I think she just called 911 because Cindy was upset with Casey...

crossfire

07-24-2008, 11:38 PM

I'm just trying to figure it out too which might give a clue what happened to Caylee. If she was heavily into drugs or doing some illegal activity as a "job" then its possible Caylee was traded or sold to the dealer/pimp. Otherwise I think little Caylee isn't with us any longer. :frown:

i think if it is about drugs that would explain a lot of things. maybe casey owed someone a lot of money for drugs and caylee was taken from her until she came up with the money? that would explain a lot of weird things going on here... like why she didn't go to the police...why she is not cooperating with LE. like why the GM is acting so weird ...and why friends aren't coming forward. stealing money.... lots of things would fall in place.

Faith

07-24-2008, 11:39 PM

I'm behind in all of this. When did Casey take her mother's car for it to be later considered stolen from her mother?

Have you listened to the 911 calls? If not here they are.

In this first 911 call Cindy Anthony remains calm while telling the 911 operator that she wants to report her car stolen by her daughter, Casey Anthony
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-caylee-marie-anthony-911-mp3,0,4755675.mp3file

Second 911 call: My granddaughter is missing

In the second 911 call Cindy Anthony is audibly upset, claiming she was just informed by her daughter Casey, that Caylee Marie Anthony has been kidnapped and missing for a month.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-caylee-marie-anthony2-911-mp3,0,3163222.mp3file

Jute

07-24-2008, 11:40 PM

I think Cindy is a control freak. She realizes she's lost her granddaughter, she's not going to lose her daughter too. Think about it...a 22 yr old with a child, no job, and no high school diplomia. Why didn't she insist that Casey go to school or get a job...without either one she's dependent on Cindy for everything.

Cindy seems comfortable having Casey totally dependent on her for everything except spending money. When she talked about it, it was as if she was talking about a kid, not a young adult. She used the fact that Casey had a child as the 'logical' reason she would need help.:0009:

mollybrown

07-24-2008, 11:40 PM

Do you pay extra for that breakdown? I know some companies will do it but they want to be paid for it.
Could be, those darn Cell phone thiefs LOL

Trailblazer

07-24-2008, 11:40 PM

Faith

07-24-2008, 11:41 PM

Mine (Cellular South) we can have it either way- I pay mine online now. When I got a paper bill it was itemized.

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:41 PM

Another lie and what "good mother" drops her toddler child off at someplace without going inside? And who is this mysterious nanny anyway? :71541:

EXCERPT

Lie #4: Casey claims a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez is Caylee's longtime babysitter. When investigators talked to Gonzalez, she told them she doesn't know the Anthonys and has never been a babysitter.

source: http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html

And remember, she said the woman worked for her for a year and a half.

Blessed

07-24-2008, 11:42 PM

EXCERPT
Lie #1: Casey Anthony told detectives that she last saw 2-year-old Caylee after dropping her off at Sawgrass Apartments #210 on South Conway Road (see map) on June 9, but the apartment has been vacant since February.

http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html

Yes but it was also stated that she gave her to the babysitter in the stairwell. I'm just trying to give Casey a small (very small) benefit of doubt. What if babysitter had told Casey she was at a friend's apartment....bring her there....Casey handed her off to her at stairwell and never realized nobody lived in the apartment. I don't necessarily believe this but it is possible.

Jute

07-24-2008, 11:45 PM

If the call was July 15 (a Tuesday), 5 weeks prior would be June 10 (a Tuesday). 31 days would be June 15 (including July 15th in the count backward). :smile:

Counting that way would at least match up with the Father's Day video and pictures.

Jute

07-24-2008, 11:46 PM

Are you referring to me believing the June 9th date?

These were my post on the date June 9th.

I also posted this which came from myspace of GM, bro etc

Cindy also said the 9th until LE pointed out that the video had been made on June 15. She had forgotten. :frustratedf:

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:47 PM

i think if it is about drugs that would explain a lot of things. maybe casey owed someone a lot of money for drugs and caylee was taken from her until she came up with the money? that would explain a lot of weird things going on here... like why she didn't go to the police...why she is not cooperating with LE. like why the GM is acting so weird ...and why friends aren't coming forward. stealing money.... lots of things would fall in place.
I agree and that would explain Cindy being so sure about these alleged sightings of Caylee and the "leads" ~ but ~ it wouldn't explain the odor of a dead body in the car or the other evidence in the trunk. Now, on the other hand, what if Casey took Caylee with her to one of these parties and Caylee accidentally got into some of the stuff and later died? :shrug1:

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:47 PM

Yes but it was also stated that she gave her to the babysitter in the stairwell. I'm just trying to give Casey a small (very small) benefit of doubt. What if babysitter had told Casey she was at a friend's apartment....bring her there....Casey handed her off to her at stairwell and never realized nobody lived in the apartment. I don't necessarily believe this but it is possible.

EXCERPT

Lie #3: Casey told detectives Caylee's babysitter had once lived in an apartment building in Orlando, which they found is for seniors only.

Lie #4: Casey claims a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez is Caylee's longtime babysitter. When investigators talked to Gonzalez, she told them she doesn't know the Anthonys and has never been a babysitter.

Lie #5: Investigators say, during the time after Casey claims Caylee disappeared with the babysitter, she told her boyfriend Caylee was with the "nanny" at Disney.

source: http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html

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I might give it the benefit of doubt had she not provided so many lies to choose from.

Jute

07-24-2008, 11:47 PM

One of Cindy's first interviews with the local media reported this. She only needed 1/2 of a credit to graduate. Never said why she didn't.

That's what Cindy said. I don't believe her about anything any more.

Trailblazer

07-24-2008, 11:48 PM

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:49 PM

EXCERPT

Lie #4: Casey claims a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez is Caylee's longtime babysitter. When investigators talked to Gonzalez, she told them she doesn't know the Anthonys and has never been a babysitter.

source: http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html
And remember, she said the woman worked for her for a year and a half.
I read that earlier ~ so where did she get this name from? Someone she'd just heard of or coincidence? Way too weird, imo.

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:50 PM

I agree and that would explain Cindy being so sure about these alleged sightings of Caylee and the "leads" ~ but ~ it wouldn't explain the odor of a dead body in the car or the other evidence in the trunk. Now, on the other hand, what if Casey took Caylee with her to one of these parties and Caylee accidentally got into some of the stuff and later died? :shrug1:

Accidental death? Why not report it, it wouldn't carry near the weight of other means of death nor the charges her attorney has surely told her could be coming?

crossfire

07-24-2008, 11:51 PM

How do you explain the dogs hitting on the trunk of the car? And the stench that even Cindy admits to on the 911 call???

well thats up to the forensics in this case. if they can prove that is decomposition in the car...and the hair fibers belong to caylee... and that casey abandoned the car there... and was the last one to have caylee...it would be enough for probable cause..that a homicide has taken place. i guess forensics has to be the key right now?

Blessed

07-24-2008, 11:53 PM

Another lie and what "good mother" drops her toddler child off at someplace without going inside? And who is this mysterious nanny anyway? :71541:

I know plenty of people that might would drop their child off with someone they trusted who was perhaps at someone else's house. If the person they trusted met them outside and they had known and trusted this person, I can see that person leaving her child with them and leaving without going inside. I just have never heard that Casey stated this apartment was the babysitter's, only that she Caylee off there. Just like I don't remember it being stated how long before Casey came back to get her...could have been weeks.

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:54 PM

Accidental death? Why not report it, it wouldn't carry near the weight of other means of death nor the charges her attorney has surely told her could be coming?

Because in my scenario she would've been doing illegal drugs, exposing the child to the drugs and a jury could convict her of negligent homicide and endangering the child causing death and in a lot of states that would be a long time in prison. :smile:

Isabella

07-24-2008, 11:56 PM

Mine (Cellular South) we can have it either way- I pay mine online now. When I got a paper bill it was itemized.
I worked for a cell phone company for 5 years, they also have records of text messages, the customers can't have them but LE can get them with a warrant.

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:56 PM

I know plenty of people that might would drop their child off with someone they trusted who was perhaps at someone else's house. If the person they trusted met them outside and they had known and trusted this person, I can see that person leaving her child with them and leaving without going inside. I just have never heard that Casey stated this apartment was the babysitter's, only that she Caylee off there. Just like I don't remember it being stated how long before Casey came back to get her...could have been weeks.

I guess my point was, who was the person Casey supposedly left Caylee with? The only woman with the same name claims never to have met Casey or the Anthonys.

awakening2lite

07-24-2008, 11:57 PM

I read that earlier ~ so where did she get this name from? Someone she'd just heard of or coincidence? Way too weird, imo.

The Orlando area has a large Hispanic population. Rodriguez-Gonzalez is like Smith or Jones.

EXCERPT

She did her own investigation, she told detectives. She went to clubs that the baby sitter, a woman she identified as Zenaida Gonzalez, is known to frequent. She said she was afraid her daughter would get hurt if authorities got involved because she had seen that happen in movies.

Investigators discovered that the apartment Casey Anthony said belonged to Gonzalez had been vacant for nearly five months. Detectives later located Gonzalez, but she did not recognize the mother or daughter from pictures.

Deputies showed Casey Anthony a picture of Gonzalez and she admitted not recognizing the woman.

source: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-bk-cayley-marie-missing-071708,0,6768806.story

sunstar

07-24-2008, 11:58 PM

Sadly it's midnight and I have to work tomorrow ~ but at least it's Friday!!! :happy0158: Have a good night everybody!! :happy0207:

KittyMom

07-24-2008, 11:59 PM

That's what Cindy said. I don't believe her about anything any more.

Actually, it was the reporter after cindy talked about how Casey was interested in photography in high school.

awakening2lite

07-25-2008, 12:00 AM

I worked for a cell phone company for 5 years, they also have records of text messages, the customers can't have them but LE can get them with a warrant.

Wow, how long does the phone company maintain those records of text messages?

awakening2lite

07-25-2008, 12:01 AM

Sadly it's midnight and I have to work tomorrow ~ but at least it's Friday!!! :happy0158: Have a good night everybody!! :happy0207:

Good night, Sunstar :happy0207:

awakening2lite

07-25-2008, 12:04 AM

EXCERPT

She told deputies she worked at Universal Studios and named people who could vouch for her. When deputies drove her to the theme park, officials confirmed that neither she nor the people she mentioned worked for the park. Still, she "walked with purpose and acted like she knew where she was going," the sheriff's report shows.

Friends described Casey Anthony to deputies as a "habitual liar" who once stole $700 and checks from a friend. She also told a former boyfriend on June 25 that she would be free to get together because her daughter was "with the nanny and that they had gone to the beach for the weekend."

When questioned by deputies, Casey Anthony did not "show any obvious emotion as to the loss of her child….she continued to claim ignorance and at times, laughed about the situation," according to an arrest report.

source: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-bk-cayley-marie-missing-071708,0,6768806.story

Isabella

07-25-2008, 12:04 AM

Sadly it's midnight and I have to work tomorrow ~ but at least it's Friday!!! :happy0158: Have a good night everybody!! :happy0207:
NN Sunstar :smile:

crossfire

07-25-2008, 12:05 AM

I guess my point was, who was the person Casey supposedly left Caylee with? The only woman with the same name claims never to have met Casey or the Anthonys.

she also went to the sawgrass apartments and filled out a form for a visitors pass. how would casey know that? especially is she didn't know her?

awakening2lite

07-25-2008, 12:06 AM

she also went to the sawgrass apartments and filled out a form for a visitors pass. how would casey know that? especially is she didn't know her?

EXCERPT

Deputies showed Casey Anthony a picture of Gonzalez and she admitted not recognizing the woman.

source: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-bk-cayley-marie-missing-071708,0,6768806.story

Isabella

07-25-2008, 12:07 AM

Wow, how long does the phone company maintain those records of text messages?
I am not certain but I assume since it's all backed up on computers, maybe indefinitely. :shrug1:

Isabella

07-25-2008, 12:09 AM

she also went to the sawgrass apartments and filled out a form for a visitors pass. how would casey know that? especially is she didn't know her?
Maybe that complex was a party place, she could have found a piece of mail or seen that name on a mailbox?

crossfire

07-25-2008, 12:11 AM

EXCERPT

Deputies showed Casey Anthony a picture of Gonzalez and she admitted not recognizing the woman.

source: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-bk-cayley-marie-missing-071708,0,6768806.story

i know ...but my point is...how could they both have a connection to the sawgrass apartments if either one of them didn't know each other? follow me?

Isabella

07-25-2008, 12:12 AM

Actually, it was the reporter after cindy talked about how Casey was interested in photography in high school.
I have been searching for that pic you mentioned, the only one I can find is just Grandpa and Caylee, Casey isn't in it.
If I run across it I will post to you.

Blessed

07-25-2008, 12:12 AM

[respectfully snipped]

I might give it the benefit of doubt had she not provided so many lies to choose from.

Oh, I agree! I'm just trying to be open minded and think of all possibilities . . .

I really think drugs will play a role. I even brought that possibility up yesterday. And I believe whatever happened was an accident and freaked Casey out. I don't think Cindy knew when she called 911 but later found out and is now covering for Casey under the guise of "protecting her."

awakening2lite

07-25-2008, 12:12 AM

I am not certain but I assume since it's all backed up on computers, maybe indefinitely. :shrug1:

Thanks, Isabella.

awakening2lite

07-25-2008, 12:13 AM

Oh, I agree! I'm just trying to be open minded and think of all possibilities . . .

I really think drugs will play a role. I even brought that possibility up yesterday. And I believe whatever happened was an accident and freaked Casey out. I don't think Cindy knew when she called 911 but later found out and is now covering for Casey under the guise of "protecting her."

You could very well be right.

Blessed

07-25-2008, 12:14 AM

Again I ask...how do you explain the dogs hitting on the trunk of the car and also Cindy saying it smelled of a dead body????

Oh, well. Can't blame a girl for trying. There seems to be holes in every theory. I'm really leaning hardest on drugs, accident, covering up.

Blessed

07-25-2008, 12:16 AM

Accidental death? Why not report it, it wouldn't carry near the weight of other means of death nor the charges her attorney has surely told her could be coming?

Possibly accidental due to mom's neglect, drug use, etc.

Jute

07-25-2008, 12:16 AM

Actually, My mom and I are great friends and talk about everything, everyday, on another front, without going into too much detail, she HAS set one of her two children down the river to float on his own. Given a long line of disfuctional behavior she is throwing in the towel and supporting the children that he is leaving behind. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

:021: I'm sorry, Molly, this must be a difficult time for all of you. She is a very loving mother and grandmother to make the tough decisions that she has, I'm glad that she has you to help her. :give_rose:

awakening2lite

07-25-2008, 12:17 AM

i know ...but my point is...how could they both have a connection to the sawgrass apartments if either one of them didn't know each other? follow me?

They don't both have a connection to the Sawgrass apartments.

EXCERPT

Casey Anthony told detectives she dropped Caylee off at a baby sitter's house June 9, but that the child was not there when she went to pick her up.

She did her own investigation, she told detectives. She went to clubs that the baby sitter, a woman she identified as Zenaida Gonzalez, is known to frequent. She said she was afraid her daughter would get hurt if authorities got involved because she had seen that happen in movies.

Investigators discovered that the apartment Casey Anthony said belonged to Gonzalez had been vacant for nearly five months. Detectives later located Gonzalez, but she did not recognize the mother or daughter from pictures.

Deputies showed Casey Anthony a picture of Gonzalez and she admitted not recognizing the woman.

source: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-bk-cayley-marie-missing-071708,0,6768806.story

Isabella

07-25-2008, 12:18 AM

Oh, well. Can't blame a girl for trying. There seems to be holes in every theory. I'm really leaning hardest on drugs, accident, covering up.
ROFL...I am so with you, every time I think I have it figured out there is one thing that doesn't fit and I am back at square one. :girl_haha:

Blessed

07-25-2008, 12:18 AM

I guess my point was, who was the person Casey supposedly left Caylee with? The only woman with the same name claims never to have met Casey or the Anthonys.

But . . . she's not the ONLY woman with the same name, she's the only one they've located.

Jute

07-25-2008, 12:19 AM

You think? :doh:

I don't think she's that smart. :67302:

Let's hope not-she'll be even madder now, who knows what she'll accidentally spill. :0devil:

crossfire

07-25-2008, 12:22 AM

They don't both have a connection to the Sawgrass apartments.

EXCERPT

Casey Anthony told detectives she dropped Caylee off at a baby sitter's house June 9, but that the child was not there when she went to pick her up.

She did her own investigation, she told detectives. She went to clubs that the baby sitter, a woman she identified as Zenaida Gonzalez, is known to frequent. She said she was afraid her daughter would get hurt if authorities got involved because she had seen that happen in movies.

Investigators discovered that the apartment Casey Anthony said belonged to Gonzalez had been vacant for nearly five months. Detectives later located Gonzalez, but she did not recognize the mother or daughter from pictures.

Deputies showed Casey Anthony a picture of Gonzalez and she admitted not recognizing the woman.

source: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-bk-cayley-marie-missing-071708,0,6768806.story

respectfully..yes they both have a connection to the saw grass apartments. read the affidavit carefully on page 5 of the the 1st thread.

awakening2lite

07-25-2008, 12:23 AM

Possibly accidental due to mom's neglect, drug use, etc.

I would expect her to claim that when she runs out of options, but it will require telling where she put Caylee and the forensics to back it up.

When she believes all is not working so well, she might come forward, through her attorney, with something like that.

For now, she is counting on everyone believing Caylee was abducted and as long as that is believed, she will be safe from charges. She also has the cloak of no body, no murder, working for her.

She is doing nothing constructive to assist in finding Caylee. And she is known to her friends and now to LE as being a liar.

IMO

Isabella

07-25-2008, 12:24 AM

Let's hope not-she'll be even madder now, who knows what she'll accidentally spill. :0devil:
My feeling is Casey has detached or just doesn't care, but Cindy is on the edge and close to a breakdown (or may have already had one) and she can't keep her stories straight as it is now, so she will crack soon I think.

Blessed

07-25-2008, 12:25 AM

ROFL...I am so with you, every time I think I have it figured out there is one thing that doesn't fit and I am back at square one. :girl_haha:

Totally frustrating, to say the least! I so want that beautiful little girl to be alive . . .

Blessed

07-25-2008, 12:29 AM

Good night, all!! Work tomorrow . . . :groan:

Isabella

07-25-2008, 12:30 AM

Good night, all!! Work tomorrow . . . :groan:
NN Blessed :smile:

awakening2lite

07-25-2008, 12:36 AM

respectfully..yes they both have a connection to the saw grass apartments. read the affidavit carefully on page 5 of the the 1st thread.

You are referring to page 3 of the affidavit? Where it is reported that Gonzales completed an apt for the apartment and was issued a visitors pass? I found that.

I also found this:

EXCERPT

Despite Casey Anthony's lack of a criminal history, Orange County Judge John Jordan said no condition of release could protect the community from harm.

Casey Anthony, 22, just nodded as Jordan offered his comments.

"You left your 2-year-old child with a person who does not exist at an apartment you cannot identify and you lied to your parents about your child's whereabouts," Jordan said. "You cared so little about your child."

source: http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6786

And the already posted fact (and link) that Casey did not recognize a photo of Gonzales and Gonzales does not know her nor does she babysit.

awakening2lite

07-25-2008, 12:37 AM

Good night, all!! Work tomorrow . . . :groan:

Good night, Blessed :happy0207:

Jute

07-25-2008, 12:39 AM

Nighters :love0085:

Night Faith and Claudia. (A little late. :girl_haha: )

awakening2lite

07-25-2008, 12:49 AM

EXCERPT~Nancy Grace transcript 7/24

Tonight, bombshell. A stunning 911 call released where the grandmother tells police Caylee`s mom stole both money and a car and tells police that the car now smells like a dead body. A tipster claims a new slab of concrete was poured behind the Anthony family home, this on the heels of cadaver dogs hitting on Mom`s car trunk and the grandmother`s back yard. Police so concerned, they bring in another cadaver dog, who independently hit from the same two spots.

And tonight: Caylee`s grandmother says the little girl may now have blond hair? A tipster claims she saw the 2-year-old boarding a flight to Atlanta. Was Caylee sighted in a restaurant in north Georgia? Tonight: Where is 2-year-old Caylee?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING CHILD: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff (INAUDIBLE) I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she`s been missing.

911 OPERATOR: OK, what...

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Get someone here now!

911 OPERATOR: OK. What is the address that you`re calling from?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: We`re talking about a 3-year-old little girl! My daughter finally admitted that the baby-sitter stole her. I need to find her.

911 OPERATOR: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: The baby-sitter took her a month ago, that my daughter`s been looking for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can`t find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she`s been trying to find her herself. There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today, and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car!

EXCERPT

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Tonight, police desperately searching for a beautiful little 2- year-old Florida girl, Caylee, after her grandparents report her missing. Little Caylee hasn`t been seen in five long weeks, last seen with her mother.

Tonight, bombshell. Stunning revelations in the 911 call reporting Caylee gone. A tipster claims a new slab of cement poured behind the Anthony home. And tonight: Caylee`s grandmother says the little girl may now have blond hair? Are any of the alleged Caylee sightings legitimate?

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: Is your daughter there?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: I`m on the phone with them!

911 OPERATOR: Is your daughter there?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Yes.

911 OPERATOR: Can I speak with her? Do you mind if I speak with her? Thank you.

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: I called them two hours ago, and they haven`t gotten here. She finally admitted that Zanny took her a month ago (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: Ma`am? Ma`am?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Casey (INAUDIBLE) they want to talk to you. Answer their questions.

CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF MISSING TODDLER: Hello?

911 OPERATOR: Hello?

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.

911 OPERATOR: Hi. What can you -- can you tell me what`s going on a little bit?

CASEY ANTHONY: I`m sorry?

911 OPERATOR: Can you tell me a little bit what`s going on?

CASEY ANTHONY: My daughter`s been missing for the last 31 days.

911 OPERATOR: And you know who has her?

CASEY ANTHONY: I know who has her. I`ve tried to contact her. I actually received a phone call today now from a number that is no longer in service. I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment, about a minute.

911 OPERATOR: And you last saw her a month ago?

CASEY ANTHONY: Thirty-one days. Thirty-one days.

911 OPERATOR: Who has her? Do you have a name?

CASEY ANTHONY: Her name is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.

911 OPERATOR: Who is that, the baby-sitter?

CASEY ANTHONY: She`s been my nanny for about a year-and-a-half, almost two years.

GRACE: And why are you calling now? Why didn`t you call 31 days ago?

CASEY ANTHONY: I`ve been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her, which was stupid.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Can you give me the name of the nanny again, like, spell it out for me?

CASEY ANTHONY: Zenaida, Z-E-N-A-I-D-A.

911 OPERATOR: Last name?

CASEY ANTHONY: Fernandez...

911 OPERATOR: Fernandez.

CASEY ANTHONY: ... hyphen Gonzalez. I think the officers are here.

EXCERPT

GRACE: Stunning allegations now revealed in the 911 calls placed by the grandmother -- repeat, the grandmother, not the mother.

Straight out to Mark Williams, news director with WNDB. What`s the latest?

MARK WILLIAMS, WNDB NEWSTALK 1150: Well, the latest, of course, is the revelation that they thought that -- some tipster called a local media outlet saying that concrete or pavers had been put down in the back of the Anthony`s back yard. That has turned out right now to be false. As a matter of fact, investigators were out the at scene last Friday with those cadaver dogs and moving everything and doing a lot of digging, and they don`t plan to come back. They have already cleared that back yard. And the Orange County, Florida, zoning board says they`ve never issued a permit back there.

Again, you`ve mentioned the two Caylee sightings here at the Orlando International Airport. The question is, nobody has seen the videotape or - - or -- because once you go into the Orlando International Airport, as you know, you`re on videocameras and on video screens constantly. That`s how they got astronaut Lisa Nowak earlier this year in that love triangle.

And of course, the sighting in north Georgia, in Cleveland, Georgia, where somebody thought they had a Caylee sighting. The police department went back there a couple of days ago and they talked to the wait staff, they talked to other people, and nobody could remember seeing Caylee whatsoever.

Again, the 911 tapes were released. That was the first time I had heard those tapes because as of late this afternoon, they had not been released.

And thus far, it`s a pretty interesting case, Nancy, and it has a lot of people baffled down here.

GRACE: Mark Williams, everyone, is joining us from WNDB there in Orlando. Mark, I`m sure the police have been to the Orlando airport and have looked at that videotape. As you pointed out, astronaut Lisa Nowak was caught that way. Nothing has turned up, that we know of, of little Caylee at the airport, correct?

WILLIAMS: That`s right. There`s been no release of any videotape. The authorities haven`t mentioned anything about any videotape. And thus far, if there was videotape to be had, I would think that it would be released, such as it was in the Nowak case, which came out just a couple of days after Ms. Nowak was arrested. So right now, it is an absolute mystery.

The grandmother, of course, Cindy Anthony, says her daughter`s (SIC) alive. Casey isn`t talking at all. But during a bond hearing the other day, it was one of the detectives saying that they think little Caylee is dead because they found -- the cadaver dogs hit on several different places, and of course, Casey`s Pontiac Grand Prix had that smell of decomposition in the trunk.

GRACE: Well, you know, repeatedly -- out to you, Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI. Repeatedly, Casey`s mother, the grandmother, keeps telling me that there was nothing wrong, that she was in touch with her daughter throughout those five months (SIC), that she was just out bonding with her daughter. But that night 911 call reveals a completely different story. The grandmother`s been going on and on and on, saying there was an old pizza in the car and that`s what the dogs hit on, cadaver dogs trained to hit on nothing but human remains.

And here we have her saying that day -- it was the 14th -- July 14, she`s telling police, My car smells like there`s been a dead body in the car.

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Tell you what, Nancy. She has -- she has she`s given a number of stories to both you, to "Headline Prime" news, to all different people. You know, it doesn`t add up. Her daughter`s not being truthful. You know, the other day, when I was on "Prime News," she was talking about another person that knows where she is. You know, she`s making up so many stories.

And Nancy, also, you know, with the whole airport thing, to shoot that down, you can also look on a manifest to find out if there`s an adult and a child. And also here in Atlanta, they have almost 400 cameras in Hartsfield International Airport.

You know, and the whole thing with her mother, Casey, on this 911 call -- she contradicts herself, Nancy. She said, quote, I actually received a phone call today from a number that`s no longer in service. I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment, but for a minute." OK, she got a call today, but now it`s -- the number is no longer in service? That doesn`t make sense to me, Nancy.

GRACE: No, it makes no sense whatsoever. And Mike Brooks, having been a cop for as long as you have been, the very first thing the police would do is try to track down that number that the mother, Casey, says she received a call from and actually spoke to her little girl. They can determine was it a cell phone, was it a land line? They can get the location immediately. For Pete`s sake, you can get that off Yahoo!, for Pete`s sake!

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: And now we`re hearing she has no idea where the woman has gone, took police to the wrong location where the woman allegedly lived. And they`ve actually found -- police found Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, and she says, I`ve never met them in my life.

BROOKS: Exactly. She`s been -- she has not told one thing that`s been -- that hasn`t been a lie to police. And you know, her mother -- if her mother has information, too, Nancy, she can also be charged with obstruction of justice, if she has some information. You know, and this whole thing about the pizza? I don`t care if you`ve got pizza with sausage, pepperoni and Limburger cheese on it, it`s not going to smell like decomposing flesh. I know that smell. It`s a smell that you never forget.

GRACE: Back to Mark Williams with WNDB, joining us tonight out of Orlando. We also hear in the 911 calls -- just released, everyone. We`re going to play them again for you in just a moment -- the grandmother actually says Caylee`s mom stole not only money but her car.

WILLIAMS: You know, and that`s the information that apparently came out just today, and apparently also took some credit cards and started a shopping binge. So that`s being investigated right now. And why would you take a car and park it in a parking lot just to be towed later or impounded by police so they could go through the thing? And the thing that really strikes me strange is the fact that she waited 31 days before she called 911 here in Orange County.

GRACE: Speaking of the 911 call, take a listen.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: We can`t find my granddaughter -- 5-foot 1-and-a- half.

911 OPERATOR: Thin, medium or heavy built?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Thin.

911 OPERATOR: Color hair?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Brown.

911 OPERATOR: What color shirt is she wearing?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: White.

911 OPERATOR: What color pants?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Oh, they`re shorts. They`re plaid. They`re, like, pink and teal and white and black plaid.

911 OPERATOR: Does she have any weapons on her?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: No.

911 OPERATOR: Is she not telling you where her daughter is?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Correct.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: OK, did you guys call and report a vehicle stolen?

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, my mom did.

911 OPERATOR: OK. So is it a vehicle stolen, too?

CASEY ANTHONY: No, this was my vehicle.

911 OPERATOR: What vehicle was stolen?

CASEY ANTHONY: It`s a `98 Pontiac Sunfire.

911 OPERATOR: OK. I have deputies on the way to you right now for that. But now your 3-year-old daughter is missing, Caylee Anthony.

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, Caylee Marie Anthony.

911 OPERATOR: White female.

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, white female.

911 OPERATOR: Three years old, 8/9/2005 is her date of birth?

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff (INAUDIBLE) I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she`s been missing.

911 OPERATOR: OK, what...

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Get someone here now!

911 OPERATOR: OK. What is the address that you`re calling from?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: We`re talking about a 3-year-old little girl! My daughter finally admitted that the baby-sitter stole her. I need to find her.

911 OPERATOR: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: The baby-sitter took her a month ago, that my daughter`s been looking for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can`t find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she`s been trying to find her herself. There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today, and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car!

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight back out to Mark Williams with WNDB, Newstalk 1150. Mark, did I hear you say the mom went on a shopping binge?

WILLIAMS: According to some statements that have been made today, Casey Anthony apparently stole her mother`s credit card, unknowingly, of course, to her mother and went on a shopping binge. That is one of the things that we learned today. Don`t know what the amount was, don`t know what they`re talking about, but apparently, police are kind of keeping mum on that.

GRACE: To Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and author. Bethany, do you hear that? The baby is gone. The baby is gone, OK? And the mom goes on a shopping binge. Help me, please.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Sadly, I am not surprised. Nancy, you know the number one reason why women kill their babies or commit infanticide.

GRACE: No.

MARSHALL: It`s because they feel that the child is holding them back from an idealized life, either holding them back from the will love of a man or keeping them at home. That is the number one reason. So this completely fits the profile.

And then with pathological lying, which we know she is, the MO is to deceive and to violate the rights of others and to get your way. She probably had a long history of violating the rights of her own mother and the rights of her own child, and now we`re just seeing the aftereffects.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. We`re taking your calls live. With us tonight, Eleanor Dixon, Atlanta, Richard Herman, New York, Mickey Sherman, New York. Mickey Sherman, how are you going to explain your client, when the baby has been stolen, is out on a shopping binge?

MICKEY SHERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, I only hope that the baby has been stolen by someone because the baby`s going to be in better hands than these two loons.

GRACE: Shopping binge?

SHERMAN: It`s bizarre. There`s nothing you can do to rationally explain anything either one of these women, the mother or the grandmother, has done. But by the same token, they still don`t have any physical evidence that harm has been done to this child. I mean, everyone has these stories that it smells like a dead body. No proof that of that. The cadaver dogs didn`t find anything...

GRACE: The best witness I ever put on the stand...

SHERMAN: Dogs.

GRACE: ... was a dog.

SHERMAN: Always. You can`t beat them. But here the dogs still have found nothing.

GRACE: To you, Richard Herman. How are you going to explain the shopping binge?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, it`s ridiculous. Like Mickey said, both she and her mother...

GRACE: No, no, no, no.

HERMAN: They look...

GRACE: You`re the defense lawyer.

HERMAN: ... nuts to me.

GRACE: You`re supposed to...

HERMAN: I`m not going to explain it.

GRACE: ... explain it.

HERMAN: I`m not going to explain it. She`s not going to say anything. She`s not talking to the police. Her lawyer cannot let them talk to the police. There`s something wrong with this woman.

GRACE: Well...

HERMAN: Thirty-one days!

GRACE: ... you`re right on that. They`re not talking to police. And to you Eleanor Dixon, felony prosecutor. What will they say about this newly discovered shopping binge while the baby is allegedly gone?

ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: I think it just goes to the mom`s motive. And think about it, Nancy. They can go look at her credit card records and everything else regarding those stores and place her where the baby wasn`t.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They are saying that...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know what they`re saying about in the trunk of the car?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: There was a bag of pizza for, what, 12 days in the back of the car, full of maggots. It stunk so bad. You know how hot it`s been. That smell was terrible.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: To Tracy Sargent. She`s here with her detection dog, Cinco. They`re both from Homeland Security. Tracy, do cadaver dogs actually alert on food, ever?

TRACY SARGENT, K-9 HANDLER: No, ma`am, they do not. That`s one of the training things we do with these dogs, that any distraction we might find out there, they are trained off of that. They are only to alert to humane remains scent.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

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awakening2lite

07-25-2008, 12:49 AM

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Let`s go out to the lines. Ashley in New Mexico. Hi, Ashley.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. Yes. I was wondering, has anyone bothered to question if there were any signs of jealousy between -- of the bond between Caylee and the grandparents?

GRACE: That`s an excellent question. What do we know, Mike Brooks?

BROOKS: Really don`t know too much. You know, the grandmother -- the whole story, Nancy, as you say, if you look at the emotion of the grandmother -- you know, before she said, oh, you know, no, she knew where she was. You know, but we really don`t know what the relationship was between the two.

GRACE: Joining us right now, friend of Casey Anthony Tara Graff. Tara, thank you for being with us. You`re a close friend of Casey`s. What do you make of all of this?

TARA GRAFF, FRIEND OF CASEY ANTHONY: Oh! First of all, I`d like to say please forgive my speech. I`m pretty scared to be interviewed. I don`t know -- I don`t want to offend anyone. And if you hear anything in the background, it`s my daughter, so -- I can answer that question that that viewer had right now.

GRACE: Please do.

GRAFF: Well, the last time I heard from Casey, we had talked about that. And hopefully, nobody gets upset (ph), but most of it`s personal. But you know, like, I have a daughter. I`m 21 years old. And it was the same type of arguments that any mother and daughter would have. You know, like, me and my mother would argue about, you know, if there`s -- if she -- my mother wants to give my daughter juice, and I don`t want to give her juice.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When was the last time you saw Caylee?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Well, I thought it was June the 8th. I was adamant it was June the 8th. I know for a fact it`s June 15. The day I shot that video was the last time I saw Caylee, and I believed that I had shot it on the 8th, and now that I found out I shot it on the 15th, I know that was the last time that I saw -- that I saw.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That would have been Father`s Day. This little girl now missing five long weeks. Joining us right now is a friend of the mom`s, Casey. Her little girl, Caylee, is who you`re looking at right now.

Out to Tara Graff. Tara, I understand that you spoke to her phone in mid-June and you heard Caylee in the background.

GRAFF: Yes.

GRACE: And do you have any idea where Casey was during the five weeks she was gone?

GRAFF: No. No, absolutely not. I do know that she had been visiting friends, other friends of ours.

GRACE: What friends?

GRAFF: I don`t know specifically. But I know that, you know -- we just -- we hang out with everybody, so...

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: Where was your client for the four weeks that Caylee has been missing?

JOSE BAEZ, ATTORNEY FOR MISSING TOT`S MOTHER CASEY ANTHONY: That`s -- part of that is some of the things that I simply can`t discuss because it`s protected by attorney/client privilege.

GRACE: But why, why is that a secret if she wants to find her little girl alive?

BAEZ: Well, I`m certain -- you know, you`re an attorney as well and you wouldn`t violate the attorney/client privilege. I`m a little.

GRACE: I would want to find the little girl alive, Mr. Baez.

BAEZ: I`m a little confused as to why you would ask that question.

GRACE: Because, I want to find Caylee alive and, obviously.

BAEZ: And she knows where.

GRACE: . you and your client do not.

BAEZ: She does not know where Caylee is.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: Joining us tonight is our panel and along with us tonight a friend of the mom, Casey`s.

With us Tara Graff -- Tara, you stated that Casey was with a group of your friends, various friends, during these five weeks she was lost in combat. What friend?

TARA GRAFF, FRIEND OF CASEY ANTHONY: No, I meant that -- so far as I know she would visit some friends. I mean I don`t know any specifics. She never told me. That`s not something that we discussed so.

GRACE: Have any of the friends come forward and said, yes, she was staying here?

GRAFF: No, I don`t -- as far as I know I don`t know any of that. That`s not what we discussed last time I talked to her.

GRACE: What were you guys talking about?

GRAFF: Well, we just talked about some personal stuff. We talked about some relationship advice and my daughter`s -- well, you can hear her right now, but my daughter`s upcoming birthday. And Caylee was playing in the background and ever so often Casey would tell me to hold on because she was playing with Caylee.

Casey did talk, you know, like I told you, about some of what her mom and her were into. But it wasn`t anything out of the ordinary, you know.

GRACE: What was -- when you say what they were into, you mean what they were arguing about?

GRAFF: Yes, just those things that she was dealing -- you know.

GRACE: What, what were they arguing about?

GRAFF: You know, I mean, it was just little things like, you know, I can`t get into any specifics, but.

GRACE: Why?

GRAFF: It is like -- OK, like juice, kind of thing. It was like, oh -- I don`t -- because I honestly don`t really remember everything.

GRACE: OK, why can`t you get into specifics?

GRAFF: I`m nervous, because I don`t remember them. I`m sorry.

GRACE: OK.

GRAFF: I was really -- I was talking to her -- I was talking more than her and I wasn`t really listening, unfortunately.

GRACE: OK. What do you make of her going on a shopping binge using her mother`s credit card?

GRAFF: That`s the first I`ve heard of that. I don`t know. I can`t explain that. I know -- I don`t think that we have all of the facts from that, I mean.

GRACE: Tara, did she have a job?

GRAFF: That`s -- that touches personally with me. So far as I knew she did but now I`m just -- I`m just, along with the rest of America right now, because.

GRACE: What did she present was your job to you?

GRAFF: (INAUDIBLE) Universal.

GRACE: OK. Well, she was fired from that a couple of years ago so that`s not true. Do you know -- did you ever see a nanny with Caylee?

GRAFF: No, but I`ve watched Caylee sometimes. And our other friends have watched Caylee sometimes.

GRACE: So you -- do you than she had a nanny? Do you know of a nanny?

GRAFF: Baby-sitter, nanny, I mean, it`s all kind of the same thing.

GRACE: Well, then, do you know of a specific baby-sitter? Casey told her.

GRAFF: No.

GRACE: . told people that she had the same baby-sitter or nanny for a year and a half.

GRAFF: No, I don`t -- I don`t know anything about that, I`m sorry.

GRACE: Did you guys hang out in person?

GRAFF: Yes, we have, a couple of times. I mean we -- you know we`ve gone dancing. We`ve hung out at mall. We`ve gone for walks with Caylee. We`ve hung out at the mall mostly sometimes.

GRACE: Who was really raising Caylee? Was it Casey or her mother?

GRAFF: Oh gosh, Casey. Caylee was with Casey all of the time.

GRACE: OK.

GRAFF: Always.

GRACE: So you have no idea where she was those five weeks that she was missing?

GRAFF: I`m in Michigan. I`m -- my husband and I.

GRACE: So would that be no?

GRAFF: No. I`m sorry, no.

GRACE: No. OK.

We are taking your calls live. Out to Laura in Missouri, hi, Laura.

LAURA, MISSOURI RESIDENT: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: What`s your question, dear?

LAURA: I would like to know, last night`s show, you asked the mother, lawyer, why he had not talking to the police and they were supposed to meet a half an hour after the show. And I was just wondering if they talked to him and if anything got resolved at all?

GRACE: Laura, Laura?

LAURA: Yes.

GRACE: I`m sorry to report to you that they did not meet with police. Didn`t even get close to meeting with police. And Mr. Baez was set to clear all that up tonight. But about two minutes before air, just after the 911 tapes were released, he decided not to give a statement after hearing the 911 tapes.

He says -- here`s his statement. He hasn`t had time to review them but he is disappointed that the police are focusing and allowing the tapes to be distributed instead of looking for Caylee.

Speaking of looking for Caylee, Mark Williams, the two reports of sightings are the police -- or the report at airport and report at a restaurant named The Cottage in White County in north Georgia, correct?

MARK WILLIAMS, NEWS DIRECTOR, WNDB NEWSTALK 1150: That`s correct.

GRACE: And to Mike Brooks, if it were at the airport, if that were true, there would be video. Trust me that one.

MIKE BROOKS, FMR. DC POLICE DETECTIVE SERVED ON FBI TERRORISM TASK FORCE: Oh.

GRACE: You were a fed for years and at White County police went to the location.

BROOKS: Right.

GRACE: They interviewed everybody there that worked there -- restaurant patrons, you name it. Nobody could remember anything about it. But Baez, the attorney, and the grandmother keep saying police aren`t doing their job. Police aren`t doing their job. What else can they do?

BROOKS: Baez couldn`t even remember what airline she was supposed to have been on flying from Orlando to Atlanta. I wasn`t real impressed with the guy last night, I have to say, Nancy, with all the attorneys we`ve had on here.

And you know, all he has to do -- go over to the jail, get his client, sit down with police, and let her tell her story. But he doesn`t want to do that. He`s too busy running his pie hole in the media and not wanting to find the baby. Period.

GRACE: I want to go out to Dr. David Posey, medical examiner, forensic pathologist with the Glen Oaks Pathology Medical Group.

Dr. Posey, the most convincing evidence to me at this juncture is that two independent cadaver dogs hit on two of the same spots, the very same spots. They brought one cadaver dog in, took him and the trainer away. Brought in another cadaver dog and the trainer, did to the reveal what the other dog had done.

The two dogs hit on the same spots. That being the trunk of Casey`s car over the right -- the right rear window, right rear tag and light. And also in the backyard of the grandmother.

Could anything other than a decomposing body have alerted the dog?

DR. DAVID M. POSEY, MEDICAL EXAMINER, GLEN OAKS PATHOLOGY MEDICAL GROUP: No, I don`t believe so. As already been stated, the smell of a decomposing body is distinct by itself. And I think the dogs are well trained to do that and I can`t think of anything else that would cause a similar smell unless by chance an animal was transported in that vehicle. But I think we`re probably thinking of something else.

GRACE: To Mike Brooks, cadaver dogs are trained to hit specifically on human remains. They will not alert on animal remains.

BROOKS: No, they will not, Nancy. And you know this whole concrete slab thing also, you can smell -- cadaver dogs can also detect scent through a concrete slab. But there was a new concrete slab there, and depending on the aggregate, the size of the pebbles that size made up the concrete, they would be able to do that.

And if they have any questions, Nancy, they could also use ground penetrating radar. I`ve used that with the FBI (INAUDIBLE) response team and you can use it to look through concrete.

GRACE: Back to Mark Williams, with WNDB Newstalk 1150.

Mark, the Anthony family came forward with a tipster regarding the alleged flight to Atlanta, spotting Caylee there.

Have police spoken to the tipster?

WILLIAMS: I`m not sure if they have or not. I think that`s still up in the air. But thing that gets me is the fact that some of these tipsters are calling the Anthony family directly instead of calling investigators here in Orange County.

Investigators in Orange County are a top-notch group of people. I worked the news media here. I have seen some of them. I`ve talked to some them. Carlos Padilla, who`s the PIO, is a straight-forward guy. They`re doing their job.

GRACE: Out to Bethany Marshall, what do you think, based on what you have heard so far, Bethany?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": Well, I mean, I think what I said about often women commit homicide because they have the fantasy that this child is holding them back from a single lifestyle.

I would wonder what did she spend the money on when she went on that spending spree? Was it things associated with being free and single? That would be the number one question I would have on my mind.

GRACE: The stunning 911 calls released just as we go to air tonight reveal a very different story about the disappearance of little Caylee.

As we go to break, a special happy birthday to one of our show`s biggest fans, Michigan friend of the show, Paula Swain. Isn`t she beautiful? Wife and mother of eight, Paula totally deaf her whole life watches our show every night on closed captioning.

Happy 82nd birthday, dear Paula.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: 911, what`s your emergency?

CINDY ANTHONY, MISSING 2-YEAR-OLD`S GRANDMOTHER: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she`s been missing.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK, what is.

ANTHONY: Get someone here now.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK. What is the address that you`re calling from?

ANTHONY: We`re talking about a 3-year-old little girl. My daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her. I need to find her.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where?

ANTHONY: That the babysitter took her a month ago that my daughter`s been looking for her. I told you my daughter`s been missing for a month. I just found her today but I can`t find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she`s been trying to find her herself.

There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(NEWSBREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ANTHONY: I have a 3-year-old that`s been missing for a month.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: A 3-year-old?

ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Have you reported that?

ANTHONY: I`m trying to do that now, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK, what did the person do that you need arrested?

ANTHONY: My daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: For what?

ANTHONY: For stealing an auto and stealing money.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Not to mention the 2-year-old little girl who is missing, little Caylee.

We`re taking your calls live.

Before I take you to North Carolina and the story of Nancy Cooper, the missing mom found dead, I want to take your calls on this story.

Out to Patricia in Florida, hi, Patricia.

PATRICIA, FLORIDA RESIDENT: Hi, how are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear, what`s your question?

PATRICIA: Actually, I`m curious about the nanny. There -- you know nannies have to be paid. Is there any kind of a paper trail, checks, money orders? They found her car at an (INAUDIBLE) which is a cash -- check cashing place.

GRACE: You know what that`s a very good point.

What about it, to you, Eleanor Dixon?

ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: I think that is a good point and they certainly could check that but I think the best piece of evidence we heard tonight is that the mom`s friend said that Caylee was always with her mom. She never left her. So I wonder if there was really a nanny at all.

GRACE: And Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI, we also know that the grandmother says that she never saw the nanny. And in the year and a half the daughter claims that she worked for her, she never saw her.

BROOKS: No, the grandmother they -- she would know and so would her friends, the people closest to her, Nancy. But I`m really going to be anxious to find out what the results of the test that they`ve done on the stain that was in that truck -- in that trunk. And also the hair that looked like they said it probably came from -- from Caylee and also the dirt that they found in that car. That`s going to be critical forensic evidence.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers, Eleanor Dixon, Richard Herman and Mickey Sherman.

To you, Richard Herman, last night, I accused the defense attorney of hiding behind the attorney/client privilege because he refuses to answer questions. He refuses to allow his client to speak with police.

Isn`t it true, Richard, that there`s an ongoing crime, such as kidnap, and your client knows about it -- aren`t you covering up a crime?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Not covering up a crime, Nancy. It`s not Grace Law. It`s the United States of America. And he`s representing his client and he`s protecting her interests, and, look, you see, this woman looks like she`s going a loose screw. Her mother`s, her bias. She has no credibility -- the mother. The two of them hate each other.

He`s got to protect this woman. It`s a very serious case. It`s a tragedy. They must find this girl hoping she`s still alive but he has to protect his client, Nancy. Very serious.

GRACE: Mickey, I hope you`ve got a different answer.

MICKEY SHERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THOSE PEOPLE?": A little bit. You know you`re assuming that the lawyer`s being told the truth by the client. And I`ve got to tell you that doesn`t exactly always happen. The lawyer has probably no clue as to what went on here. And so the lawyer`s just trying to put a lid on it, keep the woman quiet.

I doubt very much if the lawyer knows anything more than the dribble that we`ve already heard, secondhand here. And the lawyer`s point was really good. And that is, that what he`s ticked off about is they`ve already decided that she`s the guilty one so they`ve stopped the investigation.

GRACE: Well, she`s the last one seen with the little girl, Eleanor. The car gets hit on by a cadaver dog then a second cadaver dog, and everything she tells police is a big fat lie.

DIXON: That`s exactly right. Now attorney/client privilege, fine, we don`t want to waive that. But if you want to help and find your little girl and if you have information, you give it to the police.

source: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/24/ng.01.html

awakening2lite

07-25-2008, 12:51 AM

Good night all :happy0207:

Jute

07-25-2008, 12:52 AM

I know how you feel. My very first thought was that she traded or left the child for drugs. But if she was also using the child as an avatar on myspace and trying to hook up with people, maybe she just left her with a stranger predator and can't remember it. Maybe her 'date' put something in her drink and she woke up somewhere 'else' and can't remember were she left the child. There's no mention of where she was leaving the child while she was out partying so maybe she took the child with her and kept her in the car or maybe she just can't remember where she left her.

Once a person goes down that path, any number of things can happen.

It's obvious that Casey is a horrific liar, but I'm not sure that losing Caylee would give her enough resolve to keep quiet as she has-I think that only Caylee's death would do so. There's also the fact that Baez is BSing like he is-I just can't imagine that he wouldn't be risking being disbarred by refusing to cooperate in the search for a missing child, unless he knows that she is no longer alive. :frown:

Jute

07-25-2008, 12:54 AM

I think part of my problem is I can't relate to this at all, except from watching shows like 'Intervention' and what I've heard addicts do, and other crimes where children have turned up dead because of mother leaving them in the car while they were drinking & partying. Then on the other hand, there's the tour Cindy gave of Casey's bedroom and you'd think Casey was the most devoted perfect mother in the world. Of course, what did the room really look like before the cameras got there?? :smile:

And don't forget-somewhere along the line, Cindy admitted that Casey and Caylee didn't always come home at night. I think she was trying to talk her way out of not having seen them for so long. :frustratedf:

Jute

07-25-2008, 12:55 AM

Mine shows every call made and for how long. Must be a verizonewireless thing :happy0158:

:hifive:

Jute

07-25-2008, 12:59 AM

That's who I have too...hmmm...wonder why my bill doesn't show the detail....

You can look at and print the detail online-'My Account.'

crossfire

07-25-2008, 01:03 AM

ROFL...I am so with you, every time I think I have it figured out there is one thing that doesn't fit and I am back at square one. :girl_haha:

You are referring to page 3 of the affidavit? Where it is reported that Gonzales completed an apt for the apartment and was issued a visitors pass? I found that.

I also found this:

EXCERPT

Despite Casey Anthony's lack of a criminal history, Orange County Judge John Jordan said no condition of release could protect the community from harm.

Casey Anthony, 22, just nodded as Jordan offered his comments.

"You left your 2-year-old child with a person who does not exist at an apartment you cannot identify and you lied to your parents about your child's whereabouts," Jordan said. "You cared so little about your child."

source: http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6786

And the already posted fact (and link) that Casey did not recognize a photo of Gonzales and Gonzales does not know her nor does she babysit.

thankyou ... you missed my point....it states in this affidavit http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/0717/16910180.pdf that LE drove casey to the sawgrass apartments. casey's connection to the apartments... it also states then when LE checked with the complex management they gave him the name of the ZG that they later interviewed whom left that form for a visitors pass. that is ZG's connection to the sawgrass apartments. weather the know each other or not .....they both have a connection to those apartments... maybe i am reading it wrong.

Jute

07-25-2008, 01:17 AM

"#1 reason women kill their babies or commit infanticide: they feel they are holding them back from living an idealized life" - psychoanalyst on NG - she's not surprised Casey stole credit cards and went on shopping spree.

Jute

07-25-2008, 01:41 AM

"I'll be honest Nancy, I wasn't too impressed with him last night. All he (Baez) has to do is go to the jail and sit down with his client and the authorities, and let her tell her story. But he doesn't want to do that! He's too busy running his piehole on the media and not wanting to find the baby!" .....Mike Brooks, NG panel member -

:67302:

he also says that if Caylee had been in the ATL airport, she would absolutely be on video :frustratedf:

Jute

07-25-2008, 01:44 AM

Actually, it was the reporter after cindy talked about how Casey was interested in photography in high school.

Oh. In that case, I don't believe anyone anymore. :67302:

Thanks, KM. :howdy:

Jute

07-25-2008, 03:22 AM

Am I being totally naive and ignorant in my belief that, if Baez knows for certain-or even believes strongly-that Caylee is alive and has information that might help find her, he is obligated to share it, regardless of atty-client privelege? NG agrees with me, but most defense attornies say he has an obligation to protect Casey. What if Caylee were to die because he withheld vital information? Wouldn't that be considered obstruction of justice? :frown:

Roamer

07-25-2008, 04:21 AM

I don't know for sure, Jute, but I rmember reading about a case where defense attorneys knew their client was guilty, but they couldn't/or wouldn't go public with it until their client died, which finally exonerated the man who had spent many years in prison for a crime he didn't commit.

That's just plain wrong.

Scampi

07-25-2008, 06:36 AM

Those 911 calls discount all that Cindy has been saying on her media appearances, including the pizza comment. She recognized the scent in that car right away. Her credibilty is out the window.

I'll say it is. I cannot believe this woman. Didn't she think that the 911 call would be released and all of America would hear her say the "damn" car had an odor of a dead body? She's nuts I tell ya, just plain nuts.

We can't get the results from that mystery stain found in the trunk soon enough and I hope the results help in a murder prosecution for all those responsible. This case is truly appalling.

chambord

07-25-2008, 06:57 AM

Good Morning

Are you all ready for your daily dose of Cindy?

Julie Chen has just announced Cindy will be on the Early Show this am.

Faith

07-25-2008, 07:04 AM

Good morning everyone- Happy Friday.

Fox & Friends just said they were going to be live in FL.

chambord

07-25-2008, 07:10 AM

Good morning everyone- Happy Friday.

Fox & Friends just said they were going to be live in FL.

Good Morning Faith

That's two appearances, could there be a third? LOL

Here's something I have to comment on. The 911 calls . Were they on the
15th of July? If so, the car wasn't returned until the 16th. How did Cindy know there was an odor of death in it, if she didn't have the car back till the next day? Or am I confused?

Faith

07-25-2008, 07:10 AM

Good Morning

Are you all ready for your daily dose of Cindy?

Julie Chen has just announced Cindy will be on the Early Show this am.

I'm not ready for Cindy- more coffee please.

Faith

07-25-2008, 07:13 AM

Good Morning Faith

That's two appearances, could there be a third? LOL

Here's something I have to comment on. The 911 calls . Were they on the
15th of July? If so, the car wasn't returned until the 16th. How did Cindy know there was an odor of death in it, if she didn't have the car back till the next day? Or am I confused?

Casey was arrested on the night of July 16.

RayStar

07-25-2008, 07:13 AM

Why can't she shut up? Now I think Cindy is not involved. This is just getting more difficult to understand. Those 911 tapes are something else.

chambord

07-25-2008, 07:15 AM

Casey was arrested on the night of July 16.

Do we know what time? :mornincoffee: Here's more coffee for ya.

Faith

07-25-2008, 07:16 AM

I'm going to sit down and piece all these dates together so we will have it.

IIRC from CA testimony they received a letter on Friday (11th) but she didn't actually find the letter until Tuesday (15th).

Faith

07-25-2008, 07:19 AM

Why can't she shut up? Now I think Cindy is not involved. This is just getting more difficult to understand. Those 911 tapes are something else.

IMO she is protecting Casey at all cost.

IMO I think Cindy believes Caylee is dead (smells like a damn dead body in the car)

IMO she is trying to do what she can to prevent her daughter from going to prison for the rest of her life.

RayStar

07-25-2008, 07:23 AM

Faith I think you are correct. This is really painful to watch. The tapes did me in this am.

Scampi

07-25-2008, 07:24 AM

Good Morning everyone. Grandma and Baez were just on The Today Show and we learned two things:

1. They filed a request that casey's bail be lowered.

2. There are three 911 calls, LE has only released the last two, not the first one.

Meredith asked grandma why she told the court the smell was rotten pizza when she's heard on the tape saying it is the odor of a dead body. She would not explain that, only said that she told LE exactly why she did certain things that night.

Baez just yapped about how his job is to protect his client's rights. They discussed nothing about the tips.

chambord

07-25-2008, 07:24 AM

Faith

07-25-2008, 07:25 AM

Do we know what time? :mornincoffee: Here's more coffee for ya.

ty for the coffee- I'm not sure if those call we made at this time or added at this time. The date was July 16, 08

911 call - 7.15.08 - 8:44pm

911 call - 7.15.08 - 9:41pm

http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

Faith

07-25-2008, 07:26 AM

hold on-- that says 7.15.08 ------ that's not right, Casey came home, Cindy called 911 from S.O. - went home and called 911 again- Casey arrested.

chambord

07-25-2008, 07:26 AM

SavannahStar

07-25-2008, 07:27 AM

IMO she is protecting Casey at all cost.

IMO I think Cindy believes Caylee is dead (smells like a damn dead body in the car)

IMO she is trying to do what she can to prevent her daughter from going to prison for the rest of her life.

I totally agree with that. I don't think Cindy is involved in Caylee's disappearance. The second 911 call showed her to be truly distraught (IMO). And I don't think she would have ever mentioned the dead body smell if she participated in, or knew about, Caylee's demise. (IF she is dead, which I believe she is.) But NOW she is over her head in protecting her daughter.

She has MAJOR issues.

Good morning all! :happy0207:

Faith

07-25-2008, 07:29 AM

I'm thinking the two 911 calls were on the 15th of July.

Here's something I read. Jesse Grunds father has posted on his My Space about his son, and this case. I think his name is Robert Grund. Does anyone have the link?

Yes, I have the link but we do not want that posted here. That doesn't apply to us. We are not blaming Jesse for Caylee missing.

Faith

07-25-2008, 07:34 AM

Transcript Of First 911 Call From Cindy Anthony
Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:26:05 PM

This is the transcript of the first 911 call from Cindy Anthony on July 15.

Dispatch: 911, what’s happening?

Cindy: Umm…I have someone here that I need to umm be arrested, in my home.

Dispatch: They’re there right now?

Cindy: And I have a possible missing child. I have a three-year-old that’s been missing for a month.

Dispatch: A three-year-old?

Cindy: Yes.

Dispatch: Have you reported that?

Cindy: I’m trying to do that now ma’am.

Dispatch: OK, what did the person do that you need arrested?

Cindy: My daughter.

Dispatch: For what?

Cindy: For stealing an auto and stealing money. I already spoke with someone they said they would patch me through the Orlando umm Sheriff’s Department have a deputy here. I was in the car, I was going to drive her to the police station and no one … They said they would bring a deputy to my home. When I got home to call them.

Dispatch: So she stole your vehicle?

Cindy: Yes.

Dispatch: When did she do that?

Cindy: Umm on the 30th. I just got it back from the impound. I’d like to speak to an officer. Can you have someone come out to my house?

Dispatch: OK. OK. I have to ask you these questions so I can put them in in the call OK?

Cindy: OK.

Dispatch: The 30th of June?

Cindy: Yes

Dispatch: OK, how old is your daughter?

Cindy: 22.

Dispatch: OK, what’s her name?

Cindy: My name?

Dispatch: Her name.

Cindy: Her name?

Dispatch: And you said you have this vehicle back?

Cindy: Yes. And I have the umm statements.

Dispatch: She’s there right now?

Cindy: Yes I got her. I finally found her after a month. She’s been missing for a month. I found her, but we can’t find my granddaughter.

Cindy: Umm, five foot one and a half.

Dispatch: Thin, medium or heavy-built?

Cindy: Thin.

Dispatch: Color hair?

Cindy: Brown.

Dispatch: What color uh shirt is she wearing?

Cindy: White.

Dispatch: What color pants?

Cindy: Ohh, they’re shorts. There umm, plaid. They’re like pink and teal and white and black. Plaid.

Dispatch: Does she have any weapons on her?

Cindy: No.

Dispatch: Is she not telling you where her daughter is?

Cindy: Correct.

Dispatch: OK, we’ll have a deputy out to you as soon as one is available. OK

Cindy: Thank you.

Dispatch: Thank you.

Dispatch: Bye.

Cindy: Bye.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/24/transcript_of_first_911_call_from_cindy_anthony.ht ml

chambord

07-25-2008, 07:35 AM

Yes, I have the link but we do not want that posted here. That doesn't apply to us. We are not blaming Jesse for Caylee missing.

Thanks. Yes, your right, its another site he mentions.

Faith, that car was picked up July 16 th from all I can find. If the 911 calls were the 15th, something is not jelling.

Faith

07-25-2008, 07:36 AM

Transcript Of Second 911 Call From Cindy Anthony
Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:13:28 PM

This is the transcript of the second 911 call from Cindy Anthony on July 15.

Dispatch: 911. What’s your emergency?

Cindy: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff ‘s (inaudible). My granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she’s been missing. I want someone here now.

Dispatch: OK, what is the address that you’re calling from?

Cindy: We’re talking about a 3-year-old little girl. My daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her. I need to find her.

Dispatch: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where?

Cindy: That the babysitter took her a month ago. That my daughter’s been looking for. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can’t find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she’s been trying to find her herself. There’s something wrong. I found my daughter’s car today, and it smells like there’s been a dead body in the damn car.

Dispatch: Ok what is the 3-year-old’s name?

Cindy: Caylee. C-A-Y-L-E-E Anthony.

Dispatch: Caylee Anthony?

Cindy: Yes.

Dispatch: OK, is she white, black or Hispanic?

Cindy: She’s white.

Dispatch: How long has she been missing for?

Cindy: I have not seen her since the 7th of June.

Dispatch: What is her date of birth?

Cindy: Um, 8, 9, um, oh god she’s 3. 2005. So it’s Caylee missing? Caylee’s missing! Casey said Zani took her a month ago. She said that she found um ….

Dispatch: OK, I understand. Can you just, can you calm down for me for just a minute? I need to know what’s going on, OK? I’m gonna try and …

Cindy: We’re so worried we can barely keep still. ((sobbing)

Dispatch: Is your daughter there?

Cindy: ((in the background)) I’m on the phone with them.

Dispatch: Is your daughter there?

Cindy: Yes.

Dispatch: Can I speak with her? Do you mind if I speak with her? Thank you.

Cindy: ((in the background)) I called them two hours ago, and they haven’t gotten here. Casey finally admitted that Zani took her a month ago. I have to try and find her.

Dispatch: Ma’am, Ma’am.

Cindy: ((in the background)) Casey. Here, it’s the sheriff’s department. They want to talk with you. Answer their questions.

Casey: Hello?

Dispatch: Hello.

Casey: Yes

Dispatch: Hi. What can you, can you tell me what’s doing on a little bit?

Casey: I’m sorry?

Dispatch: Can you tell me a little bit of what’s going on?

Casey: My daughter’s been missing for the last 31 days.

Dispatch: And you know who has her?

Casey: I know who has her. I’ve tried to contact her. I actually received a phone call today. Now from a number that is no longer in service. I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment, about a minute.

Dispatch: OK, did you guys call and report a vehicle stolen?

Casey: Um, yes, my mom did.

Dispatch: OK, so there’s been a vehicle stolen too?

Casey: No, this was my vehicle.

Dispatch: What vehicle was stolen?

Casey: Um, it’s a ’98 Pontiac Sunfire.

Dispatch: OK, I have deputies on the way to you right now for that. But now your, now your 3-year-old daughter is missing? Caylee Anthony?

Casey: Yes. Caylee Marie Anthony.

Dispatch: White female.

Casey: Yes, white female.

Dispatch: 3 years old? 8/9/2005 her date of birth?

Casey: Yes.

Dispatch: And you last saw her a month ago?

Casey: 31 days. Um, 31 days.

Dispatch: Who has her? Do you have a name?

Casey: Her name is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.

Dispatch: Who is that? The babysitter?

Casey: She’s been my nanny for about a year and a half, almost two years.

Dispatch: Why are you calling now? Why didn’t you call 31 days ago?

Casey: I’ve been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her, which is stupid.

Dispatch: OK, can you, can you give me the name of the nanny again? Like spell it out for me?

Casey: Zenaida Z-E-N-A-I-D-A

Dispatch: Last name?

Casey: Fernandez.

Dispatch: Fernandez?

Casey: Fernandez-Gonzalez. I think the officers are here.

Dispatch: The officers are there?

Casey: Yes.

Dispatch: OK, hold on for a second. Don’t hang up with me yet. OK.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/24/transcript_of_second_911_call_from_cindy_anthony.h tml

Faith

07-25-2008, 07:37 AM

Thanks. Yes, your right, its another site he mentions.

Faith, that car was picked up July 16 th from all I can find. If the 911 calls were the 15th, something is not jelling.

I'm going to start a dates thread-- I agree with you but its early-- lol--lets make sure we have our dates correct.

Faith

07-25-2008, 07:39 AM

Faith

07-25-2008, 07:40 AM

Fox now

chambord

07-25-2008, 07:45 AM

I noticed that on either appearance today, Cindy did not mention bail. I wonder if Baez is charging her to accompany her to all these interviews?

chambord

07-25-2008, 07:52 AM

Faith

07-25-2008, 07:53 AM

I'm going to start a dates thread-- I agree with you but its early-- lol--lets make sure we have our dates correct.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=306212#post306212