Cindy Sommer~General Discussion~Nov. 30 Hearing

[MadamForeman]

Hello Everyone:

Greetings! I think this is a wonderful new forum for our discussions and case updates regarding the Cynthia Sommer case, and the currently ongoing hearings being heard in the San Diego County Courthouse, in The Hon. Judge Deddeh's courtroom. As most of you know the next scheduled court hearing is on Nov. 30th, and many of us, including myself, believe wholeheartedly in Cindy's innocence. There is quite a large number of official Cindy Sommer supporters who are following this case, and this motion for a New Trial very closely, hoping and praying Cindy will prevail, win the right to a New Trial, and ultimately be acquitted. We, her supporters, do not believe Todd Sommer was murdered by anyone, let alone Cindy. We believe that the first official cause of death originally listed on his death certificate, following the ME's autopsy, was the correct and truthful cause of death.
If you are new to this case you can find info about the case at www.courttvnews.com and please use google to link to www.freecynthia.com (this website is very informative and goes into great detail about the state's case against Cindy, a timeline of the case, the defense's position on the state's assertions that Todd died of arsenic poisoning, allegedly administered to him by Cindy. Also, the "freecynthia" site provides links to key documents concerning the case, including the "Motion for A New Trial". Please take the time to review this site and its contents at your leisure. Additionally, you will see links provided here on this forum.

For those of you who are old friends from the CourtTV site, Welcome ! Everyone from the Courttv site has been invited over here, sol we lookm forward to seeing and chatting with everyone, regardless of which side of the "fence" you stand on. "G"s and "NG"s alike are all welcome here to chat, and post our thoughts, feelings, and opinions regarding this case and the issues being presented and argued in the currently ongoing hearings.

I am hopeful about this new Message Board, since we have been told that we may lose our Courttv boards after Jan. 1 when they become truTV.
If that happens, I will be saddened, nevertheless, I am grateful we have this new board to come to. It looks very promising. I believe we have a potentially great new "HOME" base to freely post on all trials, cases of missing persons, etc. At this time, however, I am happy to know that we haev another forum to continue our discussions regarding this most important case.

I look forward to seeing you all over here!

:love0085:
MadamForeman

(I love the options on this board! And the emoticons are adorable!)

[Grande]

Great to have you join us Madam! I will have to review Cindy's case as I know very little at this point.

I look forward to chatting with you in the future!

[Pauli]

Welcome to the board MadamForeman.

We are going thru a few growing pains, we will be adding more options. I look forward to seeing old posters from CTV and new posters. Hopefully we can all work together and make this a great place to continue on with discussions.

[MadamForeman]

Thank you both for the warm welcome....I hope to get more of the Cindy Sommer board members over here after the hearing on Friday, if not before.

I think this could be a great site, it will just take some getting used to, and time to get the "kinks" worked out. I think e should be able to recruit most of the CTV posters over here if that board does close, I am afraid that is going to happen! I will miss that board, though.... We will just have to work hard to make this one even better!

[MadamForeman]

Tomorrow, Friday, November, 30th is a very big day in the case of Cindy SOmmer. Her post trial hearings on her motion for a new trial are in progress,and tomorrow, her former trial attorney, Robert Udell is expected to take the stand to testify about the details of why his representation of Cindy was ineffectual, how that occured, and to answer questions from Judge Deddeh himself, if he should have any to ask him directly. This is the 4th day of this particular hearing, other arguments included in the motion for a new trial is an allegation of juror misconduct, which has already been testified about in these hearings, as well as the larger issue of "fuzzy" science which the defense says caused the testimony at trial concerning the alleged arsenic poisoning to be inaccurate. The state maintains that Cindy is guilty.
Cindy has a very large support network from people all across the US and Canada, who ardently believe in Cindy's innocence. The primary argument for most of us is the issue of the "faulty" or "fuzzy" science. As I noted in a previous post, there are documents on the www.freecynthia.com homepage
(down the left hand side of the page you will see links) which take you throught he individual arguments in the official defense motion for new trial, and thoroughly explains why and how the defense believes these "erroneous"
test results showed a positive presence for arsenic in some of the tissue samples. I highly reccomend reading all these documents carefully as well as reading any archived or posted news articles on the case, all of which explain both sides of this case in detail.

As I have stated previously, and many times on the other site, I am fully supporting Cindy in her efforts to win a new trial for many reasons. However, the primary factor which is what led me to conclude Cindy was innocent, is the "problematic" science which was the ONLY evidence that led the state in the direction of believing this was an arsenic case specifically. Moreover, they were not able to connect Cindy in any way to arsenic. There is no evidence she ever talked about it, bought it, or even knew what it was.
There also was no evidence that the Sommer marraige was in danger of demise, and aside from Cindy's perceived "promiscuous" behaviors following Todd's death, and the fact that Cindy Sommer spent 5,400 of her insurance money for a breast augmentation, the state presented no other "evidence"
of consequence. Cindy put most of the insurance money in trust for her childrens' future, not for her own use.

Please read up on the details of both sides of this case, if you are not already familiar with everything, and post YOUR thoughts, opinions, feelings about the case! I like to hear all points of view, not just thsoe that are in line with my own.

FOR TRUTH IN JUSTICE:innocent0001:

[hisgirl_2455]

Just wanted to say hi to all, this is my first post here. :howdy:

So glad Cindy got her new trial and just can't wait to see the outcome. If anyone gets word on a trial date, please post. Thanks

[hinman]

Glad there is a thread for CS. I am looking forward to her new trial if it happens.

[cydinwash]

I got a nice postcard from Cindy and her family today. It is a generic card in thanks for giving to her new defense fund. Nice message on it.

[ScottyDo]

So today we should find out the date for the new trial and if the judge is handing it over or keeping this case.

Best wishes to Cynthia and all her supporters. :1222423:

[Justiceguy]

So today we should find out the date for the new trial and if the judge is handing it over or keeping this case.

Best wishes to Cynthia and all her supporters. :1222423:

Did anyone find out the date of the new trial? I must have missed it.

[ScottyDo]

Date not set yet as far as I remember.

[DIBBS]

The new trial is expected to begin in May of 2008.

[DIBBS]

Should also mention Cyndie on Larry King next Tuesday, Decemeber 18th.

Larry King Live - Tuesday, December 18

Tuesday, December 18
Cynthia Sommer was granted a new trial and now has something to say to Larry! It's a primetime exclusive with the woman who was convicted of killing her Marine husband with poison. What's next? Stay tuned...

[FLYSODA]

My first time here. I think I remember this case. Wasn't she found guilty? And sent to prison? And now she may get a new trial? Is that correct? My cable company dropped court tv because it was too expensive so I've missed a lot of trials. How did her Husband get the arsnic in his system? what were the levels? Did they find any finger prints or anything to back this up? If I remember right, she didn't gain that much on his insurance check. It wasn't like 500,000. It was a fraction of that. If I remember right. Am I talking about the same case?

[Cat]

That's the same case, Fly. :)

[SaberGal]

I heard the new trial is set for 05/14/08. Haven't confirmed it but that's what I've heard....

[FLYSODA]

I posted a question in here a few days ago and came back to see if anyone had answered my questions. I find my message gone as if it were not important. I don't get court tv. or nancy grace or any of that. But I do remember this case. and for you guys to erase my message means to me that I do not matter and you think my question was stupid. well, excuse me. I won't enter a forum again with out knowing the secret handshake next time.

[SaberGal]

I posted a question in here a few days ago and came back to see if anyone had answered my questions. I find my message gone as if it were not important. I don't get court tv. or nancy grace or any of that. But I do remember this case. and for you guys to erase my message means to me that I do not matter and you think my question was stupid. well, excuse me. I won't enter a forum again with out knowing the secret handshake next time.

Are you talking about post #14 on this thread?

[Greenlee]

My first time here. I think I remember this case. Wasn't she found guilty? And sent to prison? And now she may get a new trial? Is that correct? My cable company dropped court tv because it was too expensive so I've missed a lot of trials. How did her Husband get the arsnic in his system? what were the levels? Did they find any finger prints or anything to back this up? If I remember right, she didn't gain that much on his insurance check. It wasn't like 500,000. It was a fraction of that. If I remember right. Am I talking about the same case?

From what I gather a new trial has been ordered, I really don't know much about this case, I would be interesting to know how he got the arsenic in his system.

[kellabeck]

I was very interested in seeing an episode of THE NEW DETECTIVES last night because it was about poisoners, a subject of recent vintage thanks to Mark Jensen.

In the episode "A Taste of Poison" there was the 1988 case of a poisoner who befriended old folks, gained their trust and then poisoned them with arsenic (Cynthia's poison of choice) for financial gain.

Two of Tim Scoggin's victims were elderly sisters, Cordelia and Catherine Norton who died on the same day of "natural causes" and TS arranged to have them cremated immediately. Cremated, just as Todd was.

Unlike other poisons, arsenic is an element and so there was a chance it would still be present in the cremains of the sisters, one who died in hospital and one at home. A toxicologist name Rod McKutcheon tested the sisters' ashes. Catherine, a diabetic, died at home. Cordelia died in the hospital after becoming violently ill. The ashes of the former tested negative, the latter tested positive for arsenic.
Scoggin was found guilty of killing one man and the attempted murder of the man's wife. He pleaded guilty to the murder of the Norton sisters (one by arsenic, the other by messing with her insulin.) He is serving LWOP.

I hope that Todd Sommer's ashes are tested for arsenic.

[kellabeck]

Flysoda, if you mean that "half" is a "fraction" of $500,000, then you are right. Cynthia did benefit from Todd's insurance of roughly a quarter mil, part of which she placed in trust for the children after pressure from Todd' family.
But that does not include the monthly benefits she reaped as a survivor.

IMO there is more than enough evidence to conclude that she is a vicious, cold-blooded killer who painfully killed the man who loved and trusted her and allowed him to die.

That she has so many adherents is astonishing to me.

[hisgirl_2455]

Flysoda, if you mean that "half" is a "fraction" of $500,000, then you are right. Cynthia did benefit from Todd's insurance of roughly a quarter mil, part of which she placed in trust for the children after pressure from Todd' family.
But that does not include the monthly benefits she reaped as a survivor.

IMO there is more than enough evidence to conclude that she is a vicious, cold-blooded killer who painfully killed the man who loved and trusted her and allowed him to die.

That she has so many adherents is astonishing to me.

She "reaped" monthly benefits?????? It is $1480 per month, that equals a whopping $17,760 per year. OMG, poverty level. Yep, she's reaping those benefits alright. With four kids to support that is really big money :rolleye0001: Did you watch the trial? Do you even know the facts of the trial? What was it that was presented as evidence that convinced you she was guilty?

[kellabeck]

She "reaped" monthly benefits?????? It is $1480 per month, that equals a whopping $17,760 per year. OMG, poverty level. Yep, she's reaping those benefits alright. With four kids to support that is really big money :rolleye0001: Did you watch the trial? Do you even know the facts of the trial? What was it that was presented as evidence that convinced you she was guilty?


Yes, of course, I watched the trial and my opinion is based on the evidence, as I see it.

We can disagree without being insulting, can't we? Or can you only assume that I have an opinion I plucked from the air because it doesn't agree with yours?

[RayStar]

She "reaped" monthly benefits?????? It is $1480 per month, that equals a whopping $17,760 per year. OMG, poverty level. Yep, she's reaping those benefits alright. With four kids to support that is really big money :rolleye0001: Did you watch the trial? Do you even know the facts of the trial? What was it that was presented as evidence that convinced you she was guilty?
:)Thank you for this post.

:basic44::basic44:FREE CYNDI NOW:basic44::basic44:

[hisgirl_2455]

Yes, of course, I watched the trial and my opinion is based on the evidence, as I see it.

We can disagree without being insulting, can't we? Or can you only assume that I have an opinion I plucked from the air because it doesn't agree with yours?

I didn't mean to be insulting, I was just shocked at your intrepretation of "reaping benefits". Please do tell what evidence it was in her trial that convinced you of her guilt...

ev·i·dence
Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.

proof
Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.

[johnielee333]

i hope the jury find's cynthia not guilty this 2nd time around

[kellabeck]

I didn't mean to be insulting, I was just shocked at your intrepretation of "reaping benefits". Please do tell what evidence it was in her trial that convinced you of her guilt...

ev·i·dence
Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.

proof
Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.

Perhaps you missed all my posts on the thread about why I think she is guilty.


As to the benefits she reaped--- first and foremost she gained her freedom from this couch potato that Todd had turned into. And she went from a wife whose husband was telling her "we can't afford a boob job for you" to a single woman who went out and got those new breasts.

I would also hasten to add that people have been murdered for a lot less.



And thanks so much for the lesson on what evidence is. I am so very very sure that you didn't mean that in a patronizing way.

[hisgirl_2455]

Perhaps you missed all my posts on the thread about why I think she is guilty.


As to the benefits she reaped--- first and foremost she gained her freedom from this couch potato that Todd had turned into. And she went from a wife whose husband was telling her "we can't afford a boob job for you" to a single woman who went out and got those new breasts.

I would also hasten to add that people have been murdered for a lot less.



And thanks so much for the lesson on what evidence is. I am so very very sure that you didn't mean that in a patronizing way.

I did see your other thread, but you still have not pointed out any EVIDENCE.

[kellabeck]

I did see your other thread, but you still have not pointed out any EVIDENCE.


That you refuse to acknowledge the evidence doesn't make it disappear except in your mind.

[Try2Win]

ng = cs

[RayStar]

:attention:YES:attention:ng = cs