TN versus Eric McLean..Shooting of 18 year old Lover

[lyndawitha"y]

This trial has been going on for days..includig weekends..an I have been unable to locate any thread here..here's some background..but shocked peeps her dont get this case??

http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/update-sean-powell-murder-trial-date-set-for-january-21-2008/


http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=63240&provider=top

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...0,3949609.story



Transcript from Dateline's episode on the case. It is 6 pages in length -- after reading a page, click to the next page at the bottom part of the article. The pages are labeled with numbers:

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19794327/wid/1191577/


Photos

McLean files to end troubled marriage


http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/s...e-rings-a-bell/

Not sure if anyone is interested,,however..this is a story of a women married to a man who supported his wife,,who seems to have fallen out of love with her husband..had affair with a student..her children seemed to be totally in the care of Eric/her husband or his supportive family..yiks I want people to view this case...Spouses do influence things more often than not??

It is live streamed during the week on CNN and locally..times are 930 to 5PM with breaks etc..Course CNN is not dependable..Politics seems to have priority..LOL

Heres the live links:
LocAL
http://www.volunteertv.com/home/misc/10608217.html

CNN.Com/live..not available now to link.. sure ya all know the site!!

Hope to see ya all tomorrow

LMS:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[MedicMatz]

Present and accounted for... good idea!

[MedicMatz]

I think there are two of this same thread...

[Battnt]

Looks like there is...I will delete one...Thanks, and welcome to HFTM!....

[MedicMatz]

Looks like there is...I will delete one...Thanks, and welcome to HFTM!....

Thanx for the Welcome! This looks like a great forum!

Matz ;}-~

[MedicMatz]

Well... the IS forum is now down. Did anyone else move over?

[lyndawitha"y]

Well... the IS forum is now down. Did anyone else move over?

Me three..Im here..i set this up yesterday..since we got the warning about IS closing..I will post the live stream threads once again just incase some dont have them in their favs or bookmarked:


http://www.volunteertv.com/home/misc/10608217.html


http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1

LMS:love0081:

[MedicMatz]

I think the pros is trying to bore the jury to death. Without Erin testifying, as is the most recent word, they are going to have a very hard time proving anything other than that someone was shot in front of the McClean's residence. Eric has admitted to the shooting but states it was an accident. Without something strong to show it wasn't, how do they ever think they can convict 1st degree murder?? :waitasec:

[lyndawitha"y]

I think the pros is trying to bore the jury to death. Without Erin testifying, as is the most recent word, they are going to have a very hard time proving anything other than that someone was shot in front of the McClean's residence. Eric has admitted to the shooting but states it was an accident. Without something strong to show it wasn't, how do they ever think they can convict 1st degree murder?? :waitasec:


I think I mentioned yesterday that the Pros. seem to be apatheitic..their hearts are not in this..and I agree, the facts just dont support first degree..Someone yesterday who knows about firearms..believe that that rifle very well could have gone off accidently..due to the trajectory of that bullet..
Unless Pros. comes up with evidence of pre-meditation..hummmm:waitasec:

[MedicMatz]

I think I mentioned yesterday that the Pros. seem to be apatheitic..their hearts are not in this..and I agree, the facts just dont support first degree..Someone yesterday who knows about firearms..believe that that rifle very well could have gone off accidently..due to the trajectory of that bullet..
Unless Pros. comes up with evidence of pre-meditation..hummmm:waitasec:

Hey! that would have been my post about the firearms. :smile: I am convinced the defense is going to focus on this aspect.

[PatC]

Me three..Im here..i set this up yesterday..since we got the warning about IS closing..I will post the live stream threads once again just incase some dont have them in their favs or bookmarked:


http://www.volunteertv.com/home/misc/10608217.html


http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1

LMS:love0081:

Thanks. I remember when this story was in the news. I hadn't realized the trial had started.

Strange.... when the defendant has already said he shot the victim. I was shocked back "when" to hear his answer of "Yes" to Matt Lauer's question of "Did you shoot..."

[lyndawitha"y]

Hey! that would have been my post about the firearms. :smile: I am convinced the defense is going to focus on this aspect.

Kudos to you..as I have no clue about firearms..guns/rifles or shotguns..Me Canadian..dont know nuttin from nuttin:lex_10: about those things..only looked after victims of gunshot wounds.:redface:.so know the destruction they cause!!

[lyndawitha"y]

Thanks. I remember when this story was in the news. I hadn't realized the trial had started.

Strange.... when the defendant has already said he shot the victim. I was shocked back "when" to hear his answer of "Yes" to Matt Lauer's question of "Did you shoot..."

Hi Pat//LTNS..Its too bad you havent caught this trial..it's been live streaming since last week..even Sat and Sun...LOL ( California could learn from their example)..Not sure about a deal..Eric did indeed shoot Sean..but I beleieve it was provacation situation..If defense can prove their theory, he may well get a lesser degree...

Erin has been demonized by almost all witnesses so far..and it seems she wont even be testifying..Do you believe that??

:thud2:

[MedicMatz]

Oh! That doesn't wash at all!! They're saying the shot came from the passenger side??? The shot, according to testimony, blew off the "right" side of his face (passenger side) and there was a "hole" on the left side. That is completely backwards!! The exit wound side would have been the side blown off, not the entrance where there would have only been a hole!

[MedicMatz]

Any forensics expert will destroy the pros assertion of the shot coming from right to left.

[lyndawitha"y]

Oh! That doesn't wash at all!! They're saying the shot came from the passenger side??? The shot, according to testimony, blew off the "right" side of his face (passenger side) and there was a "hole" on the left side. That is completely backwards!! The exit wound side would have been the side blown off, not the entrance where there would have only been a hole!

So the shot came from the drivers side then..passenger door was left open by Erin when she exited the car to return to the house for somethng.??Man oh man I am trying to envision this whole thing.??:frustratedf:

I heard that Eric is going to testify??I cant imagine him on the stand?..He's hardly keeping it together just sitting at the defense table!!:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[lyndawitha"y]

Any forensics expert will destroy the pros assertion of the shot coming from right to left.

I hope the defense has a forensic expert who can show all this stuff..trjectory, levels, like was rifle at his hip, waist, shoulder,,was it aimed or discharged accidently..No wonder Eric said accident..I was trying to reconcile accident.??I felt it was a shooting out of sheer anger or frustration??but given your scenerio I can actually see an accidental discharge..Hummm

[MedicMatz]

I'm still stunned... literally, by the assertion the shot was fired from the side of what would immediately be considered the "exit" wound! I'm clueless as to what the pros may try to opine next...

[lyndawitha"y]

They had an early lunch break..anyone know when due back?..They broke shortly after 11AM..guess I'll keep checking starting about 1230??

[MedicMatz]

The Judge said 1215... probably 1230.

[llylabrat]

ooh, courtroom is back up. don't see the judge, lawyers wandering around

[lyndawitha"y]

The Judge said 1215... probably 1230.

I see you are punctual..comes from type of profession we had/have..On time all the time!!LOL:friends3:

I dont think I have heard one snide word about Eric..He seems to have the sympathy of all the TH's and anchors...not just Jamie Floyd..

[llylabrat]

all rise, back in session

[lyndawitha"y]

all rise, back in session

Hi llya..Purrrrfect timing!! Welcome..new nic or newbie to this board?

This judge reminds me of one of my teachers from highschool science class:girl_haha:

[MedicMatz]

Back in court...

[MedicMatz]

The noon news on VounteerTV said that the prosecution has Erin listed as a witness but hasn't located her. InSession also spoke earlier with a private investigator for Eric that was currently in Colo. looking for Erin as well. Seems she has gone into hiding to avoid subpoena for the trial.

[lyndawitha"y]

Is it Tn's way of life..or is this Prosecutor just really really laid back??..Yiks he has almost a flat affect..??

[MedicMatz]

Is it Tn's way of life..or is this Prosecutor just really really laid back??..Yiks he has almost a flat affect..??

Not sure, but either way he's not at all captivating. JMO

[llylabrat]

Hi llya..Purrrrfect timing!! Welcome..new nic or newbie to this board?

This judge reminds me of one of my teachers from highschool science class:girl_haha:

hi. i'm new to this board, same nic i use on insessionboards.

[lyndawitha"y]

The noon news on VounteerTV said that the prosecution has Erin listed as a witness but hasn't located her. InSession also spoke earlier with a private investigator for Eric that was currently in Colo. looking for Erin as well. Seems she has gone into hiding to avoid subpoena for the trial.

Speaks volumes to me...and sure it isnt lost ont the jury either..IF she does not show her face in that courtroom!!:g:

This prosecutor is soooo:rolleye0001::boredom:

[MedicMatz]

hehehe... the pros is having this witness corroborate that the evidence, already entered in to evidence by other witnesses, is actually the evidence they have. Is it just me or is that just totally redundant???

[lyndawitha"y]

hi. i'm new to this board, same nic i use on insessionboards.

Well welcome to HFTM Board..I dont post here to much.:0012:.threads tend to go way off tpics and I get lost in the banter..but it is really a great place..love the smilies and avatar feature..hope you can set up your profile with pics etc..it helps to let peeps know a little about yourself..Humanize posters..so to speak..

The pros. case better get in gear..so far havent heard one piece of evidence indicateding pr-meditation..hum??:frustratedf:

[lyndawitha"y]

hehehe... the pros is having this witness corroborate that the evidence, already entered in to evidence by other witnesses, is actually the evidence they have. Is it just me or is that just totally redundant???


:frustratedf::thud2::groan:

[Kara]

Okay...somebody help me. The gun in question was a shotgun, not a rifle...correct?

A shotgun shoots a shell that is loaded with shot which scatters after firing. So a shotgun would leave a larger entrance wound than exit, while a bullet fired from a rifle would leave a larger exit wound, right?

[MedicMatz]

It almost makes me wonder if they are trying to kill time here while Erin is actively being pursued... without her there, the pros case is empty.

[MedicMatz]

Okay...somebody help me. The gun in question was a shotgun, not a rifle...correct?

A shotgun shoots a shell that is loaded with shot which scatters after firing. So a shotgun would leave a larger entrance wound than exit, while a bullet fired from a rifle would leave a larger exit wound, right?

No, it is a 30 30 rifle... that's why to me, the assertion that the gaping hole on the same side they claim the shot came from is insane!

[lyndawitha"y]

Okay...somebody help me. The gun in question was a shotgun, not a rifle...correct?

A shotgun shoots a shell that is loaded with shot which scatters after firing. So a shotgun would leave a larger entrance wound than exit, while a bullet fired from a rifle would leave a larger exit wound, right?

It was a rifle..not a shotgun..bullet not shells..At least thats what I have gleaned from the description and the great info MedicM has shared!:6u8ky2o:

[Kara]

No, it is a 30 30 rifle... that's why to me, the assertion that the gaping hole on the same side they claim the shot came from is insane!
Why are they constantly referring to it as a shotgun then?:groan:

[lyndawitha"y]

It almost makes me wonder if they are trying to kill time here while Erin is actively being pursued... without her there, the pros case is empty.

BINGO

:party52: Hit that nail on the head...I feel like I am watching paint dry..Why isnt the defense objecting..??

One other thing I have noticed in this trial is the hearsay thats constently allowed..or at least not objected to>>HUMMM

[llylabrat]

who's stalking whom? she'd have some 'splaining to do

[MedicMatz]

BINGO

:party52: Hit that nail on the head...I feel like I am watching paint dry..Why isnt the defense objecting..??

One other thing I have noticed in this trial is the hearsay thats constently allowed..or at least not objected to>>HUMMM

OMG... watching paint dry??? :67302: I don't know what's up with the hearsay. The defense may feel it's insignificant anyway?

[MedicMatz]

OK! OK! we understand she texted him already!!!

[lyndawitha"y]

who's stalking whom? she'd have some 'splaining to do

I think they were just reading some of the text messaging between sean and Erin...It seems Erin saw no reasons to hide her activities..maybe rubbing it all in Eric's face..push..push..How brazen can ya get??

Erin is in hiding..no way jose does she want to testify..not even to clear her name...which is MUD..deviant craddle robber!!:104511::a1chic:

[MedicMatz]

OMG!!! The pros is soooo stalling!!

[lyndawitha"y]

OMG!!! The pros is soooo stalling!!

He's got 2 speeds...stop and soooooslow..He even sits down..takes a drink..wanders..hummmmmJudge is just holding her head!!:groan:

[MedicMatz]

Uhhhh... why didn't they have the interview legally transcribed??? It seems the pros is just doing things half way.

[lyndawitha"y]

So this waste of 10 minutes was to wait for the typed transcripts for an audio tape???They just had a hour plus break to have them handy dandy...yiks you're right MedicM..Stretching time...oooouuuuttt..

TH on TTV suggested maybe the pros is attempting to give a deal of immunity to Erin for her to testify..Never thought of that..??

[MedicMatz]

Oh Please!!! They're showing footage of an empty chair while he went to the bathroom???

[lyndawitha"y]

Uhhhh... why didn't they have the interview legally transcribed??? It seems the pros is just doing things half way.

Maybe the DA's all have "Sometimers Disease"..something coined by my kids..LOL:francis:

[lyndawitha"y]

Oh Please!!! They're showing footage of an empty chair while he went to the bathroom???

Did you hear that...Eric sits there alone in that room for another 17 minutes..Judge asked..do we need to watch this for the next 17 minutes??..LOL..I see my paint drying..still abit tacky tho!!:frustratedf:

[MedicMatz]

Did you hear that...Eric sits there alone in that room for another 17 minutes..Judge asked..do we need to watch this for the next 17 minutes??..LOL..I see my paint drying..still abit tacky tho!!:frustratedf:

LOL... I'll be right back, I'm gonna go plant some corn for dinner tonight! :67302:

[lyndawitha"y]

TTV is replaying Scarlett's testimony again..Man oh man..I really feel for the Powell's..Truly "Angels on Earth" in my books!

[MedicMatz]

I'm sorry, the defense should object... this has to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen a prosecution do.

[lyndawitha"y]

What I cant figure out is why would Erin call Debra (birth mom) before the Powell's???..Erin's behavior was totaly off the wall to me..Yiks she's a teacher, an adult, she knew she had created this whole scene with her taunting of Eric..Boy, I am so infuriated with her!! Not excusing Eric..but understand what happened..

[llylabrat]

What I cant figure out is why would Erin call Debra (birth mom) before the Powell's???..Erin's behaviors it totaly off the wall to me..

scarlett had already told erin she was too close to sean-a student of hers.

[MedicMatz]

I think "Debra" knew about the affair and knew Erin. Why else would she call Sean's birth mother that Sean "hardly ever talked to'"??

[lyndawitha"y]

I think "Debra" knew about the affair and knew Erin. Why else would she call Sean's birth mother that Sean "hardly ever talked to'"??

I didnt hear Debra testify she knew Erin?..She did say she never noticed any text messaging on her phone...which Sean apparantly used??
I think Sean did know his momma..and the Powell's were unaware of just how much time Sean spent with his birth mother..

[MedicMatz]

Wow! this video is GREAT for the defense!!

[lyndawitha"y]

Wow! this video is GREAT for the defense!!

Exactly..it actually mirrors Eric's demeanor in the courtroom..Certainly what he is presenting in the courtroom is not feigned or meant to portray something not honest..

LMS

[llylabrat]

this guy is getting manslaughter.

[lyndawitha"y]

this guy is getting manslaughter.

I agree..it is what it should be anyway..I just cant figure out why they didnt let Eric plead out..Why have his children have this exposing their dad and mom's dirty laundry...Shame..it seems obvious to me this guy didnot preplann this event..He's one emotional mess...Erin caries on with her life with a new youngster to meet her needs..:000a1:

[PatC]

Did anyone explain WHY he's just sittng there all this time? Is he supposed to be writing out a statement or something?

[lyndawitha"y]

Did anyone explain WHY he's just sittng there all this time? Is he supposed to be writing out a statement or something?

He is suppose to be writing a letter to the Powell's..and he did do that...however after listening to TTV.he apparantly did not turn it over after talking to some family members and requested a lawyer..Something along that line anyway...I am sure the defense could produce that letter in they're case in chief..but the detective did see the opening line..saying he was sorry he took their son from them..

Prosecution is just stretching out their case...there is no reason this whole tape needs to be watched..stipulations should have been made!! Juror's are no doubt frustrated with this delaying activities!!

:groan:

[Kara]

This prosecution seems to be fond of showing long, meaningless videos. We watched that one cop drive to the scene which added absolutely nothing of evidentiary value. At least this video does have some value even if it's to the defense.

I don't understand why the prosecution was so dead set on trying Eric on first degree murder. I mean...they had to go before 2 grand juries to get the indictment.

[MedicMatz]

this guy is getting manslaughter.

At the very worst. I'm willing to bet the punishment is light as well... like probation.

[annalyzer]

Hey everyone. Is this trial in the trial thread? I had to wait until someone posted to see you. I have the video up on cnn.

[lyndawitha"y]

This prosecution seems to be fond of showing long, meaningless videos. We watched that one cop drive to the scene which added absolutely nothing of evidentiary value. At least this video does have some value even if it's to the defense.

I don't understand why the prosecution was so dead set on trying Eric on first degree murder. I mean...they had to go before 2 grand juries to get the indictment.

It is "Incredulous" to me that the DA's office would pursuit this case such as they did..Man oh man..they had the shooter..they had a confession of the shooter, they knew all the circumstances..I for one simly cannit figure it out.. It is an election year...I do hope they didnt do this for political gain???

Eric is guilty of killing a young man, yes..but in no way was it pre-meditated!! Even the prosecution act like they dont care one way or an other...Are they so straped for cases..they would do something like this??Makes me wonder??
:smiley_aasg::mad::g:

[MedicMatz]

I have to go pick up my child... maybe the paint will be dry when I get back...

[lyndawitha"y]

Hey everyone. Is this trial in the trial thread? I had to wait until someone posted to see you. I have the video up on cnn.

Hi Anna..Yes it is..I spent an hour yesterday trying to locate a thread..so set this one up..This morning I did find one in the "Romper Room" but not too active...??

I simply cannot believe the prosecution even tok this to trial..they have not yet shown one itty bitty piece of evidence to probe pre-meditation:0009:

[Kara]

I have to go pick up my child... maybe the paint will be dry when I get back...I think the paint is finally dry...now they are taking a 15 minute recess. I wonder if they had to wake up the jurors when they brought the lights back up in the courtroom. It had to be fascinating to sit there in the dark watching Eric's back for an hour + after lunch.

[lyndawitha"y]

I have to go pick up my child... maybe the paint will be dry when I get back...


:67302:..15 minute recess... meaning half hour by their modes opporendi

:tongue:

[lyndawitha"y]

I think the paint is finally dry...now they are taking a 15 minute recess. I wonder if they had to wake up the jurors when they brought the lights back up in the courtroom. It had to be fascinating to sit there in the dark watching Eric's back for an hour + after lunch.

I would think that the prosecution should be chastised for boring all to death..Is there a charge for killing jurors by "BOREDOM"?..I am sure the prosecution is not on their top ten list..LOL

:boredom::71541::022:


P.S...I even had time to do a second coat of paint!!

[annalyzer]

Hi Anna..Yes it is..I spent an hour yesterday trying to locate a thread..so set this one up..This morning I did find one in the "Romper Room" but not too active...??

I simply cannot believe the prosecution even tok this to trial..they have not yet shown one itty bitty piece of evidence to probe pre-meditation:0009:


I didn't see it in the trial section. I'll go look again. :shrug1:

[lyndawitha"y]

I didn't see it in the trial section. I'll go look again. :shrug1:

Did I do something wrong??..I thought it was on the Trial Thread..Current and pending??Man oh man..I Pm's Pauli and she didnt even know about this live trial..so took the bull by the horn:blondblush113268230..and became proactive...:hide:Maybe I didnt do it correctly??

[lyndawitha"y]

I hear activitie in the courtroom...
http://www.volunteertv.com/home/misc/10608217.html

I'd post the Cnn link..nut dont have much faith in them in the past few months!!

[lyndawitha"y]

OMG..Eric wasnt forthcoming???He was calm>??I wonder about this detective..Compare Eric to Erin??Geesh...Eric didnt lawyer up..he cried for 20 minutes before he even entered..and just gotta know they were atching him every second..Calm..I think not..Upset..Depressed..YA!..Yiks he confessed to shooting Sean..he claimed not to remember certain specifics..How experienced is this guy on the stand?

P.S. I think the defense is going to make him look foolish..

[lyndawitha"y]

MedicM..Where are you..he's going into entrance and exit of bullet crime scenes he seen..wonder on his experience..??

[MedicMatz]

Back!

[lyndawitha"y]

Back!

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1

I am watching here now as the other link went blank..Cross going on now

[lyndawitha"y]

MedicM..did you realize his truck had no battery..thus not driveable..I didnt realize that..

[MedicMatz]

MedicM..did you realize his truck had no battery..thus not driveable..I didnt realize that..

Really! Well who was the "regular" driver of the car then (the one with the newspaper about the 'love triangle') in it? It couldn't have been Erin could it?? Hummm... (dripping in sarcasm of course)

[lyndawitha"y]

Really! Well who was the "regular" driver of the car then (the one with the newspaper about the 'love triangle') in it? It couldn't have been Erin could it?? Hummm... (dripping in sarcasm of course)

It seems obvious that this Honda was Erin's usual vehicle..as they found Kids toys packed to the hilt in that car...wonder what vehicle Eric used for his transportation..given he was the caregiver of those kids??:shrug1:

[lyndawitha"y]

Sorry guys I just couldnt look at the bouncing Angel anymore with my Avatar..will look for a more appropriate one later..

This Detective is surely minimizing everything..I am not sure just what he truly believes???

[MedicMatz]

Oh Boy! Here we go!

[lyndawitha"y]

Oh Boy! Here we go!

What do you think this witness is going to testify to?? Any idea's??
:000a1:

[lyndawitha"y]

I thought we already heard from some medical person about his injuries etc??Boy oh boy this Prosecution confuses me..

Who the heck testiied to all the injuries days ago??

[MedicMatz]

The pros is going to establish the path of the bullet.

[llylabrat]

I thought we already heard from some medical person about his injuries etc??Boy oh boy this Prosecution confuses me..

Who the heck testiied to all the injuries days ago??

i think that was an officer on the scene, that is who the pros objected to because the ME should be giving tht testimony

[lyndawitha"y]

Sorry..but I am so disappointed that more people are not interested in this topic..Maybe I have had too much exposure to crimes like this..but have personally experience such pressures and cause for great emotional pressures..But for the most part..posters are women..and really should understand what went on here.....yet as per ??I will bow out now..as getting frustrated ..I will not be around tomorrow at all..so hopefully the few here will carry on the thread..

Night all..have good evening??

[MedicMatz]

It looks like Eric is doing his best to not listen...

[llylabrat]

Sorry..but I am so disappointed that more people are not interested in this topic..Maybe I have had too much exposure to crimes like this..but have personally experience such pressures and cause for great emotional pressures..But for the most part..posters are women..and really should understand what went on here.....yet as per ??I will bow out now..as getting frustrated ..I will not be around tomorrow at all..so hopefully the few here will carry on the thread..

Night all..have good evening??

most all the regular ttv posters are on the caylee board...which i follow also.

has anyone heard what ashleigh has to say about erin running from supoena? i'll bet she went off on her

[lyndawitha"y]

It looks like Eric is doing his best to not listen...

im not sure Eric even rmembers when that gun went off..but just know he is ailing...and really doesnet want to remember..Good friend..I simply have to leave this..:a1chic: I appreciate your interest..:1187603408.CR.Mothe

[MedicMatz]

So i guess she is describing this entering the front -right forehead and and exiting towards the back of the skull. But she says the shot couldn't have been form the drivers side? Don't people turn their head when they look out the side window? Hummm, need to here more of this...

[lyndawitha"y]

most all the regular ttv posters are on the caylee board...which i follow also.

has anyone heard what ashleigh has to say about erin running from supoena? i'll bet she went off on her

Yeppers..she (Ashleigh) is not impressed with the women (Erin) in the middleof this triangle:104511:

Goodnight:022:

[PatC]

Sorry..but I am so disappointed that more people are not interested in this topic..Maybe I have had too much exposure to crimes like this..but have personally experience such pressures and cause for great emotional pressures..But for the most part..posters are women..and really should understand what went on here.....yet as per ??I will bow out now..as getting frustrated ..I will not be around tomorrow at all..so hopefully the few here will carry on the thread..

Night all..have good evening??

I, for one, am interested. I've been listening while I do some other things today, just haven't posted much.

[MedicMatz]

I'd be inclined to think Eric has PTSS.

[PatC]

So i guess she is describing this entering the front -right forehead and and exiting towards the back of the skull. But she says the shot couldn't have been form the drivers side? Don't people turn their head when they look out the side window? Hummm, need to here more of this...

I have never heard of a gunshot wound causing such devastation! I can't imagine being in the room if this were my son who'd been killed. No wonder the woman said she couldn't even kiss her son goodbye.

[PatC]

I'd be inclined to think Eric has PTSS.

I was thinking the same thing. That's why the detective's testimony that he was "calm" and that he wasn't "forthcoming" meaning he (the detective) couldn't get him to describe the events. He (Eric) doesn't REMEMBER them!

[PatC]

Is Erin supposed to testify or has she already and I missed it?

[annalyzer]

Is Erin supposed to testify or has she already and I missed it?


I don't know Pat. I didn't get to tune in until I got off work. :shrug1:

[lyndawitha"y]

Before I retire for the evening..i think you all should know while watching Eric in the courtroom..I get just why he cant watch any of these pics and seems not to want to hear this testimony..I have been on the receiving end of victims like Sean..and just know the HORROR of it all..maybe thats why i am feeling so much emotion about all this..I GET IT..I KNOW..this is so so heart wrenching for people with a heart.and I do include Eric in that group!!

[PatC]

Before I retire for the evening..i think you all should know while watching Eric in the courtroom..I get just why he cant watch any of these pics and seems not to want to hear this testimony..I have been on the receiving end of victims like Sean..and just know the HORROR of it all..maybe thats why i am feeling so emotion about all this..I GET IT..I KNOW..this is so so heart wrenching for people with a heart.and I do include Eric in that group!!

tHANKS Lynda. Maybe someday you can share your story with us. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "...receiving end of victims like Sean..." but from my perspective there are certainly no winners in this conflict.

Sean is certainly the victim since he's the one who was killed, but Eric is a victim too, IMO. I haven't gotten a handle on Erin yet.


ETA: I kinda like your new avatar.... but then I'm a fool for dogs.

[MedicMatz]

I have never heard of a gunshot wound causing such devastation! I can't imagine being in the room if this were my son who'd been killed. No wonder the woman said she couldn't even kiss her son goodbye.

It is amazing what a small object at an extreme speed can do to the head. Because the head is basically a "closed container" of sorts, that fast moving object (projectile) creates pressure inside that container which is what accounts for the majority of the damage. Slower moving projectiles usually do far less external damage even tough the projectile is typically larger and heavier. From what she has described, without being able to see the pictures of her trajectory probe, it sounds like she is describing a more front to back trajectory (right front to ?back).

[lyndawitha"y]

Is Erin supposed to testify or has she already and I missed it?

FYI..Erin is aVOIDING the a Sop....out of state.The State is maybe attempting to get a deal..but as per her attny..she does not want anything to do with this case..Kinda difficult to prove intent without the LOVE interest in a love triangle cae?
:g:

[PatC]

Wouldn't you know, I can finally sit still and watch/post and they take a short recess! :0001:

I take it the pros. didn't have all his exhibits in place... is that what we're waiting for? Judging from reactions, they must have left one of the autopsy photos up on the screen.

[MedicMatz]

Pat, apparently Erin is on the run and hiding out through the trial. TTV had a on a PI for Eric that is in Colorado actively pursuing her now and the Pros is looking for her as well. She is dodging the subpoena.

[Pauli]

Did I do something wrong??..I thought it was on the Trial Thread..Current and pending??Man oh man..I Pm's Pauli and she didnt even know about this live trial..so took the bull by the horn:blondblush113268230..and became proactive...:hide:Maybe I didnt do it correctly??

You did fine, this was the right place for it..

and to answer a question you had earlier.... yes, we are pretty laid back in TN :67302: Some more than others though. It kind of depends on what area of the state you are in.

[PatC]

It is amazing what a small object at an extreme speed can do to the head. Because the head is basically a "closed container" of sorts, that fast moving object (projectile) creates pressure inside that container which is what accounts for the majority of the damage. Slower moving projectiles usually do far less external damage even tough the projectile is typically larger and heavier. From what she has described, without being able to see the pictures of her trajectory probe, it sounds like she is describing a more front to back trajectory (right front to ?back).

That's what I pictured from her description too. Right front to back.... and I'd have expected left front to back if Eric shot him through the driver's side window even if Sean was turning toward Eric as he walked up.

[PatC]

FYI..Erin is aVOIDING the a Sop....out of state.The State is maybe attempting to get a deal..but as per her attny..she does not want anything to do with this case..Kinda difficult to prove intent without the LOVE interest in a love triangle cae?
:g:

I think she should have to at a minimum sit through every day of this trial and see each and every autopsy photograph!!!

[llylabrat]

Pat, apparently Erin is on the run and hiding out through the trial. TTV had a on a PI for Eric that is in Colorado actively pursuing her now and the Pros is looking for her as well. She is dodging the subpoena.


:happy0158:

[PatC]

Pat, apparently Erin is on the run and hiding out through the trial. TTV had a on a PI for Eric that is in Colorado actively pursuing her now and the Pros is looking for her as well. She is dodging the subpoena.

Is she dragging the kids with her? How is she affording to run? Obviously they didn't have much money or Eric wouldn't have had to work so many hours.

[MedicMatz]

That's what I pictured from her description too. Right front to back.... and I'd have expected left front to back if Eric shot him through the driver's side window even if Sean was turning toward Eric as he walked up.

I agree... I'm anxious to hear the cross as well as the defense expert if they have one. The defense may also agree that the shot came from the passenger side, I just don't see it that way yet. Of course they have access to much more information than I do to. This ME does come across as quite knowledgeable though.

[llylabrat]

I think she should have to at a minimum sit through every day of this trial and see each and every autopsy photograph!!!

her lawyer was on lisa blooms show today talking about how she has been vilified & her 'fight or flight' reaction is flight. one of the TH's said "boo-hoo" to that. me too!

[PatC]

Here we go again.

[PatC]

I agree... I'm anxious to hear the cross as well as the defense expert if they have one. The defense may also agree that the shot came from the passenger side, I just don't see it that way yet. Of course they have access to much more information than I do to. This ME does come across as quite knowledgeable though.

Doesn't she though!?! I've been very impressed with her.

[lyndawitha"y]

tHANKS Lynda. Maybe someday you can share your story with us. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "...receiving end of victims like Sean..." but from my perspective there are certainly no winners in this conflict.

Sean is certainly the victim since he's the one who was killed, but Eric is a victim too, IMO. I haven't gotten a handle on Erin yet.


ETA: I kinda like your new avatar.... but then I'm a fool for dogs.

Nothing mysterious Pat..but have worked over 3 decades in the front lines of medical assistance..which includes victims of all crimes..accidents.and not only dealt with victims but family, friends and YES even the people or persons responsible for it all!!..So yes,....I have insight to the dynamics..It does come back to haunt the caregivers indeed!!

[llylabrat]

what are we seeing? its gonna make me sick

[MedicMatz]

Is she dragging the kids with her? How is she affording to run? Obviously they didn't have much money or Eric wouldn't have had to work so many hours.

The PI said that they (including Eric's parents) made an effort to take the children away from her once before following an incident where one of the boys "wandered off" and was later found at a library reading. The PI said because of where she is, the only way they can take the kids is if Erin leaves them alone. Since that incident, he said she keeps them with her at all times. I guess she is aware that they are trying to take the children from her.

[llylabrat]

eric is covering his eyes. his elbow is on the table and his hand is on his forehead covering his eyes. me is describing crime scene photos

[lyndawitha"y]

You did fine, this was the right place for it..

and to answer a question you had earlier.... yes, we are pretty laid back in TN :67302: Some more than others though. It kind of depends on what area of the state you are in.

TYVM..I thought i did a boo boo..Glad I didnt screw up..:thud2:

[lyndawitha"y]

YIKS..Isnt me a prime example of a love hate situation!!..Love to hate..hate to love..and yiks just cant pull away entirely!!

[PatC]

Entrance above right eyebrow and trajectory about an inch downward exiting slightly to the left of midline in the back. Right?

[MedicMatz]

Entrance above right eyebrow and trajectory about an inch downward exiting slightly to the left of midline in the back. Right?

Yes. I still see this being possible from either side of the car. Let's hear the defense's side.

[PatC]

Yes. I still see this being possible from either side of the car. Let's hear the defense's side.

Pros. is trying to make sure the defense can't claim accident because Sean grabbed the gun.

[MedicMatz]

Pros. is trying to make sure the defense can't claim accident because Sean grabbed the gun.

I noticed that the pros hasn't asked if he could have grabbed the barrel with his left hand.

[lyndawitha"y]

Entrance above right eyebrow and trajectory about an inch downward exiting slightly to the left of midline in the back. Right?


Eric, it seems just cant to bear to look at anything and I am sure he wishes he had ear plugs..Eric is not made of the fiber of a killer..much less a homicidal maniac..Just taking a look at him compared to other defendents..He is no way "JOSE", anywhere near the profile of a murderous personality..I am sure they have a barf bucket under that defense table!!:lex_10:

I think Eric did go to the drivers side..Sean truned his head to look and mock Eric.and gun went off..The opened passenger door was due to Erin leaving it open when got out to return to the house. The spatter in that door jam came from the exit wound..DID they ever find the bullet?? I'll bet is embedded in that Mercedes somewhere they never found/?

[PatC]

I noticed that the pros hasn't asked if he could have grabbed the barrel with his left hand.

I was trying to picture that too. Reaching with the left but throwing the right up "defensively". Or maybe even batting the barrel away with the left hand... which would have been closer to the driver's window.

The cigarette was in the right hand, right?

[lyndawitha"y]

Pros. is trying to make sure the defense can't claim accident because Sean grabbed the gun.

Actually if he did grab the barrel..and the finger on trigger and guard in off position..it could have gone off accidentally..JMO if course

[PatC]

Well, color me stupid, but didn't the ME just place her demo subject for the shot to come FROM the passenger side TO the driver's side?

[MedicMatz]

Alcohol, cough syrup, marijuana and cocaine... Color me not surprised.

[MedicMatz]

Well, color me stupid, but didn't the ME just place her demo subject for the shot to come FROM the passenger side TO the driver's side?

Yes, that is the Pros assertion.

[lyndawitha"y]

OMG.. Sean had metabolites of Cocaine..alcohol...It's no wonder he had the Balls to confront his lovers husband..this case is making me more angry than I wouldl ike..ERIN..where the heck are you?..Did you feed this kid with drugs and alcohol...not to mention sex...You certainly corrupted his appreciation for the sanctity of marriage..Yiks I am so upset with Erin right now!!

[Kara]

Have they said how late they plan on going tonight? I like my trials but I also like them to end in time to get dinner on the table. :)

The defense is doing a good job of suggesting the bullet's trajectory supports an unintentional/unaimed shot.

[lyndawitha"y]

Goodness gracious..Now it sounds like this wound could haver been a ricochet..sorry about spelling..It really sounds like the LE and ME did not know just how this bullet travelled..man oh man..This is so frustrating to think that from the outset then even thought this was a accident..not purposeful..I really wonder about 2 Grand Jury hearing regarding this case?

[PatC]

Goodness gracious..Now it sounds like this wound could haver been a ricochet..sorry about spelling..It really sounds like the LE and ME did not know just how this bullet travelled..man oh man..This is so frustrating to think that from the outset then even thought this was a accident..not purposeful..I really wonder about 2 Grand Jury hearing regarding this case?

I think it's clear how the bullet traveled once it entered the head. The issue seems to be from where it came.

Did I hear that Sean was sitting in a Mercedes? That's a pretty low car, isn't it?

[PatC]

It's 5PM, guys, how much longer are you going?

[lyndawitha"y]

I think it's clear how the bullet traveled once it entered the head. The issue seems to be from where it came.

Did I hear that Sean was sitting in a Mercedes? That's a pretty low car, isn't it?

Yes..he was sitting in the drivers seat..I believe he was smoking Ciggarette, then looked at Sean with Cig near mouth and gun went off from Drivers side..thus tissue and other evidence sent to console etc..I really hope Defense will bring someone in to illustrate just what happened..JMO

[MedicMatz]

His line of questioning is setting her up to be rebutted by an expert witness for the defense. JMO

[lyndawitha"y]

It's 5PM, guys, how much longer are you going?

Not sure if you are aware..This jury is sequestered..so they dont care how long this day goes..yiks they worked over the weekend..I would think they would want to get this over with sooner rather than later..

[PatC]

OK, the kid had a fake ID to buy his own booze.

[PatC]

Not sure if you are aware..This jury is sequestered..so they dont care how long this day goes..yiks they worked over the weekend..I would think they would want to get this over with sooner rather than later..

I just thought that might be what the judge was asking at the side bar.

ETA: But you're right, I didn't know they were sequestered. I know I'd like to hurry on and get past the autopsy photos. {{shudder}}

[llylabrat]

in session boards are back up

[lyndawitha"y]

OK, the kid had a fake ID to buy his own booze.

Man oh man..I didnt catch that little tid bit...Wonder what name it was or who provided it??..Not unusual for borderline legal age kids however..

[PatC]

Man oh man..I didnt catch that little tid bit...Wonder what name it was or who provided it??..Not unusual for borderline legal age kids however..

They read the name, I didn't make a note though.

[PatC]

I was really, really impressed with that ME. She was very precise, she explained in laymans terms things without talking down to the jury, she had the same demeanor whether responding to the prosecution or the defense (That's important to me. The ME should be completely neutral, IMO)

[PatC]

This is a pretty laid back judge, isn't she?

[MedicMatz]

She seems very laid back to me... and relaxed when it comes to time as well.

[lyndawitha"y]

She seems very laid back to me... and relaxed when it comes to time as well.

Given what I have heard so far..I truly am in "Wonder"..I will not be on board her tomorrow..gotta work..But will try to catch up on Prosecutio's case.....It seems to me even the defense has a better case than the Pros.and they havent even started their CIC..I think this the first case I have ever witnessed where the charges seen totally bogus..Dont know what the mindset of the DA office has..but me thinks its purely politically motivated..not sure, as we dont have such mentality in Canada??
Salute!!:kissyface4:

[PatC]

Given what I have heard so far..I truly am in "Wonder"..I will not be on board her tomorrow..gotta work..But will try to catch up on Prosecutio's case.....It seems to me even the defense has a better case than the Pros.and they havent even started their CIC..I think this the first case I have ever witnessed where the charges seen totally bogus..Dont know what the mindset of the DA office has..but me thinks its purely politically motivated..not sure, as we dont have such mentality in Canada??
Salute!!:kissyface4:

Well, he can't just ignore a dead boy. Maybe they couldn't come up with an agreeable plea agreement.

[Kara]

Well, he can't just ignore a dead boy. Maybe they couldn't come up with an agreeable plea agreement.
If that was the case, they should have been content with the 2nd degree murder indictment instead of putting together a second grand jury in order to get the first degree indictment.

Lynda, Canada is a wonderful country (I'm Canadian by birth) but you can't tell me that politics never enter into justice there. Any time a connected person loses a loved one you know there will be pressure to pursue prosecution. I don't know if there was any of that kind of pressure in this case but it certainly appears that Seans adopted parents were at least "comfortable" in a financial sense.

[MedicMatz]

If that was the case, they should have been content with the 2nd degree murder indictment instead of putting together a second grand jury in order to get the first degree indictment.


Kara, ITA. I've been asking myself since the pros rested their CIC... have they met the burden of proof for a charge of 1st Degree Murder? I'm sure a motion for dismissal has been filed and will be denied, but it's does raise the question of CIC. I'm thinking a lessor of involuntary manslaughter with a very light jail sentence or probation. Then all Eric needs to do (aside from getting some serious counseling) is get those kids back from Erin.

[PatC]

Kara, ITA. I've been asking myself since the pros rested their CIC... have they met the burden of proof for a charge of 1st Degree Murder? I'm sure a motion for dismissal has been filed and will be denied, but it's does raise the question of CIC. I'm thinking a lessor of involuntary manslaughter with a very light jail sentence or probation. Then all Eric needs to do (aside from getting some serious counseling) is get those kids back from Erin.

I thought of reckless endangerment myself.

Y'all take good notes here on the defense. I won't be able to get back till some time this afternoon.

Later :0012:

[MedicMatz]

I thought of reckless endangerment myself.

Y'all take good notes here on the defense. I won't be able to get back till some time this afternoon.

Later :0012:

We'll try and catch you up to speed when ya get here. Have a good morning Pat.

[Kara]

Lisa Sweetingham just reported that Eric is expected to take the stand.

[MedicMatz]

Lisa Sweetingham just reported that Eric is expected to take the stand.

Good Morning Kara! I hope he does... he can dispel a lot of speculation, and I think he will be well received by the jury. JMO

[Kara]

Good morning. Live on CNN and now on trutv.

[MedicMatz]

The defense put up a strong argument against the first degree charge based on lack of proof of premeditation and asked for the maximum charge be reduced to 2nd Degree. The Judge denies the motion for acquittal of the First Degree charge and will allow the case to go forward as such.

[MedicMatz]

The court building is being vacated due to a bomb threat. The judge expects a delay until approximately 1pm EST while the building is being "cleared" by the authorities.

[MedicMatz]

Back in court at 1:25est

[MedicMatz]

Eric states to the judge that he choses to testify.

[MedicMatz]

Close friend of Eric's "Scott Murrin" is the first witness for the defense. He is a in a band with Eric.

[MedicMatz]

Eric McLean is about to testify!

[Alibar]

Given what I have heard so far..I truly am in "Wonder"..I will not be on board her tomorrow..gotta work..But will try to catch up on Prosecutio's case.....It seems to me even the defense has a better case than the Pros.and they havent even started their CIC..I think this the first case I have ever witnessed where the charges seen totally bogus..Dont know what the mindset of the DA office has..but me thinks its purely politically motivated..not sure, as we dont have such mentality in Canada??
Salute!!:kissyface4:

Lynda, forgive me for getting such a huge chuckle from your assertion about political motivation... "...we dont have such mentality in Canada??" :67302:

If there are human beings in Canada, then political motivation is in Canada re many sorts of situations, including the topic at hand.

[KellBell]

Hey Guys, sorry it's been a while, just stopping in to see everyones reaction to McLean taking the stand.

[KellBell]

where is everyone?? Where is the usual crowd?

[MedicMatz]

I think he needed to take the stand to "clear the air" so to speak... I think it is going to be pivotal to this case, one way or the other.

[annalyzer]

where is everyone?? Where is the usual crowd?


I just got here, just got off work. Hiya KellBell, long time no see!

[KellBell]

I just got here, just got off work. Hiya KellBell, long time no see!

Hey there Anna, how have you been doing?

[MedicMatz]

I'm losing count of how many times Eric has said "I'm sorry" regarding everything he says, regardless of how trivial.

[PatC]

I'm back.... what happened.... I can't get CNN/live to come up. GRRRRRR

[lost indie]

I'm back.... what happened.... I can't get CNN/live to come up. GRRRRRR

Refresh?????

Clear cache?????

We need you....

:love0081:

[PatC]

Refresh?????

Clear cache?????

We need you....

:love0081:

OK, I think I've got it now. No sound though. Still in recess?

[PatC]

Where did everybody go?

[PatC]

My God. The boy doesn't know beans about the gun.

[lyndawitha"y]

Lynda, forgive me for getting such a huge chuckle from your assertion about political motivation... "...we dont have such mentality in Canada??" :67302:

If there are human beings in Canada, then political motivation is in Canada re many sorts of situations, including the topic at hand.


You are forgiven...LOL..Maybe you are unaware that in Canada..no one in the legal system is voted into or out of office..so no need to seek favor to the populous..I just cant get out of my mind Nyphong..in his bid for re-ellection manipulated the case at hand to seek favor to the voters...there was outrage..and pressure to seek charges..and we all know how that turned out..dont we..Anyway, I guess I am jaded now since seeing some outrageous prosecutions in a few cases..

In general, I am pro-pros..unless I see evidence that creates questions in my mind about interpretations etc..I also look at issues not always obvious to some lay-people...behavior..medical evidence is my forte..but certainly am open to logical or others idea's or impressions..course really really try to be understanding in all perspectives..however, not perect...LOL

LMS

[PatC]

Y'all deserted me today.... I had to go > > > over there to find someone to post with. :0001:

[Pauli]

I have set up a forum for this trial, it's on the front page now. Just above the OJ Trial.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=150

[MedicMatz]

I have set up a forum for this trial, it's on the front page now. Just above the OJ Trial.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=150

Wow! Thank you so much Pauli! There are some of us who are very passionate one way or the other in this case... I appreciate your interest!

[lost indie]

entertainment while we wait....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5n5382yIdg

[lyndawitha"y]

Mornin everyone...Day off for me today..so will be able to watch and post at my leisure..LOL..

MedicM...You are so right..there seems to be alot of passion on all sides in this case..and yeppers..there sure was alot of passion in that triangle as well!!

[lyndawitha"y]

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1

People are gathering in the courtroom..

[bambam]

hello all! just popping in to say i miss ya! i've been working with dh...gosh i haven't been here in so long...i don't recognize half the people!! well..y'all have a good day... i'm off to work now..will check in later if i can!! byeeeee!!!:)

[dojewo]

hello all! just popping in to say i miss ya! i've been working with dh...gosh i haven't been here in so long...i don't recognize half the people!! well..y'all have a good day... i'm off to work now..will check in later if i can!! byeeeee!!!:)just stopping by to say hello too, I miss everyone and hopefully all my work will be done so I can pay attention next week.

[PatC]

Are there trial watchers here today?

What do you think about the pertinence of a witness who would show Sean Powell was not an innocent, defenseless kid? Should it be allowed?

I think so. The General has practically had Sean dressed in his romper suit being persecuted. I think it's only fair to show the other side of his personality and to show that Eric had reason to be wary of him on a physical level.

[lyndawitha"y]

Are there trial watchers here today?

What do you think about the pertinence of a witness who would show Sean Powell was not an innocent, defenseless kid? Should it be allowed?

I think so. The General has practically had Sean dressed in his romper suit being persecuted. I think it's only fair to show the other side of his personality and to show that Eric had reason to be wary of him on a physical level.

I think you're right..I dont think even the Powell's knew what he had been up to..Apparantly she was totally shocked to hear this witness!!!

The Geral seems to open that door for such a line of defense..Sean was not a shrinking violet along with being embolded by Erin, he never thought Eric would shoot..probably thought the rifle was not even loaded?

[PatC]

I think you're right..I dont think even the Powell's knew what he had been up to..Apparantly she was totally shocked to hear this witness!!!

The Geral seems to open that door for such a line of defense..Sean was not a shrinking violet along with being embolded by Erin, he never thought Eric would shoot..probably thought the rifle was not even loaded?

I think if the Def. atty had explained his position better the judge would have allowed the aggression testimony.

[lyndawitha"y]

I think if the Def. atty had explained his position better the judge would have allowed the aggression testimony.

I think this judge made an error not allowing this aggressive behavior..I do believe she was trying to support "The General" where she can...First..I dont think she should be referring to him as General...his name is Bill Crabstree..she should be saying..Mr. Crabtree as she does refer to Mr. Posten...Litle to familiar for my taste..Hummm

LMS

[PatC]

I think this judge made an error not allowing this aggressive behavior..I do believe she was trying to support "The General" where she can...First..I dont think she should be referring to him as General...his name is Bill Crabstree..she should be saying..Mr. Crabtree as she does refer to Mr. Posten...Litle to familiar for my taste..Hummm

LMS

General is a term used in Tennessee to refer to prosecutors... not an honorific.

[packy]

General is a term used in Tennessee to refer to prosecutors... not an honorific.

Oh, thanks, Pat, didn't know that and I was wondering about it too.

Does anyone think that the jury will be able to determine premeditation or not based on what had been presented so far? I haven't seen it all but just bits and parts on TruTV.

[MedicMatz]

Oh, thanks, Pat, didn't know that and I was wondering about it too.

Does anyone think that the jury will be able to determine premeditation or not based on what had been presented so far? I haven't seen it all but just bits and parts on TruTV.

I haven't seen any premeditation either. But, it is said that premeditation can be formed and shown to be present in a matter of minutes or seconds, as in grabbing a gun. I don't buy it though. Eric's entire testimony was believable. He didn't pause, have to think about or struggle for words when answering questions, he just stated things the way they happened... I don't believe a person that is lying can do that. I think the court is grossly biased to the State's case and that really stood out yesterday during that cross. JMO

[packy]

I haven't seen any premeditation either. But, it is said that premeditation can be formed and shown to be present in a matter of minutes or seconds, as in grabbing a gun. I don't buy it though. Eric's entire testimony was believable. He didn't pause, have to think about or struggle for words when answering questions, he just stated things the way they happened... I don't believe a person that is lying can do that. I think the court is grossly biased to the State's case and that really stood out yesterday during that cross. JMO

I saw part of his testimony yesterday and he does seem believable to me.

[lyndawitha"y]

I haven't seen any premeditation either. But, it is said that premeditation can be formed and shown to be present in a matter of minutes or seconds, as in grabbing a gun. I don't buy it though. Eric's entire testimony was believable. He didn't pause, have to think about or struggle for words when answering questions, he just stated things the way they happened... I don't believe a person that is lying can do that. I think the court is grossly biased to the State's case and that really stood out yesterday during that cross. JMO

I Tend tyo agree with your take on that:rolleyes:There has been discussion on TTV how fair this judge has been in her rulings..I dont get that impression..to preclude behavior by Sean..which goes directly to Eric's perceptions of his wife's lover was bending over backwards for the prosecution...It may very well be an appellate issue..who knows???

[MedicMatz]

i tend tyo agree with your take on that:rolleyes:there has been discussion on ttv how fair this judge has been in her rulings..i dont get that impression..to preclude behavior by sean..which goes directly to eric's perceptions of his wife's lover was bending over backwards for the prosecution...it may very well be an appellate issue..who knows???

ita

[lyndawitha"y]

OKAY..breaks over...anytime!!!Please get back to work!!..Lunch is being delivered at 1PM..one hour to examine 2 rebuttal witnesses..direct the jury and get closing statements ALL before lunch???I cant see that happening??

[packy]

Does it seem wrong that when proscutors use the word murdered on direct rather than killed. I guess it just bothers me since it may fit with the charges but it's before a verdict is in.

[lyndawitha"y]

Does it seem wrong that when proscutors use the word murdered on direct rather than killed. I guess it just bothers me since it may fit with the charges but it's before a verdict is in.

Yepper..I think this courtroom plays fast and loose with decorum and I am sorry I have to disagree when people say this judge is not showing bias..I think she has overtly shown bias to the prosecution..and stunted the defense..certainly didnt see rulings that allowed any leniency for them to bring on their defense..I guess I am now prejudguce for the defense in this case...rather unusual for me..but do question even bringing this case to trial..They should have shielded all this dirty laundry from the survivors of this seedy background..especialy not even bringing the middle of the triangle in to testify?>> I am sure the jurors are wondering about that lacking too.
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[annalyzer]

I saw part of his testimony yesterday and he does seem believable to me.

I think he came off as believing he had a right to murder someone. I don't believe his suicide story. And I know I'm in the minority with my opinions. :shrug1:

[packy]

I think he came off as believing he had a right to murder someone. I don't believe his suicide story. And I know I'm in the minority with my opinions. :shrug1:I didn't see all of it. Do you mean the time she supposedly said she felt like suicide?

It is a tough call and an outward appearance can be deceiving and could go either way. So there is room for skepticism about his story too.

[JONOTWO]

A lever-action rifle is loaded and the hammer cocked by moving the lever down and then up. The hammer may then be let down safely by pulling the trigger while holding the hammer in the rearward- firing- position, and then lowering it gently. If the gun was loaded, which it must have been , simply pulling the trigger while the hammer is down will not fire the cartridge. The hammer must be pulled back manually to the firing position, or the lever again cycled. This would dump a live cartridge on the ground and load a second one into the chamber. I doubt it was an accident in the sense of misuse, or error. However, it is obvious to me it was not premeditated.

[PatC]

A lever-action rifle is loaded and the hammer cocked by moving the lever down and then up. The hammer may then be let down safely by pulling the trigger while holding the hammer in the rearward- firing- position, and then lowering it gently. If the gun was loaded, which it must have been , simply pulling the trigger while the hammer is down will not fire the cartridge. The hammer must be pulled back manually to the firing position, or the lever again cycled. This would dump a live cartridge on the ground and load a second one into the chamber. I doubt it was an accident in the sense of misuse, or error. However, it is obvious to me it was not premeditated.

That was an excellent description! Did you watch Eric handle that rifle? He was very clearly NOT a charter member of the NRA.

He testified that when Sean was not intimidated by the weapon alone, he levered a shell into the chamber. I find it entirely credible that he was unaware how easily the rifle could be fired at that point.

He may have even tried to pull the trigger at some point before the shell was jacked into the chamber and felt how hard he could pull with nothing happening and assumed there was some kind of safety on.

[Queen Bee]

A verdict was reached in this trial today, Thursday the 11th, at approximately
3:30 pm est........

1st degree murder......not guilty
2nd degree........not guilty
voluntary manslaughter.......not guilty
reckless homicide.......guilty

Sentencing has been set for November 7th, after a pre-sentencing report is completed.

Eric will remain out on bond as he has been. His defense attorney requested that ankle monitoring and the fee of $160 per week that goes with it cease in light of the fact that Eric has never missed an appearance and because of the charge found guilty of.

The prosecution did not object to this and it was granted. Eric will only have to report to probation as usual and be subjected to drug screens.

Sean Powell's family was visibly shaken by the verdict and the monitoring announcement and all shook their heads noooooo.

The cameras caught all of Eric's family filing out after they all hugged the defense attorney, who was smiling.........

See you November 7th for sentencing (and I know before that....lol):kissyface4:

Here's praying those two children are located and are safe.:happy0158:

[annalyzer]

Queenie! Where have you been????????????????????????

[PatC]

A verdict was reached in this trial today, Thursday the 11th, at approximately
3:30 pm est........

1st degree murder......not guilty
2nd degree........not guilty
voluntary manslaughter.......not guilty
reckless homicide.......guilty

Sentencing has been set for November 7th, after a pre-sentencing report is completed.

Eric will remain out on bond as he has been. His defense attorney requested that ankle monitoring and the fee of $160 per week that goes with it cease in light of the fact that Eric has never missed an appearance and because of the charge found guilty of.

The prosecution did not object to this and it was granted. Eric will only have to report to probation as usual and be subjected to drug screens.

Sean Powell's family was visibly shaken by the verdict and the monitoring announcement and all shook their heads noooooo.

The cameras caught all of Eric's family filing out after they all hugged the defense attorney, who was smiling.........

See you November 7th for sentencing (and I know before that....lol):kissyface4:

Here's praying those two children are located and are safe.:happy0158:

Wonderful news!!!! Anybody know what the max. penalty is for "reckless homicide"?

[packy]

I think it was one that if there was some doubt they had to go with the doubt. So sorry for everyone on both sides that are involved in this case.

I always wonder about that primacy/recency effect since prosecutors because of the burdon of proof get to go first and last. If there is something powerful that I hear first it sticks with me, and then if it's also one of the last things addressed it does have a strong influence for me. But I'm getting off topic so I'll shut up.

[Queen Bee]

Wonderful news!!!! Anybody know what the max. penalty is for "reckless homicide"?


morning pat buddy!!

just popping in for a bit, but wanted to answer this for you......

penalty for reckless homicide is 2-4 years max.......eligible for parole after serving 30%...

however........eric is eligible for probation with no more to serve as he has a clean record and his defense attorney will be asking for it..

hope you're well.............see ya soon i hope!

[PatC]

morning pat buddy!!

just popping in for a bit, but wanted to answer this for you......

penalty for reckless homicide is 2-4 years max.......eligible for parole after serving 30%...

however........eric is eligible for probation with no more to serve as he has a clean record and his defense attorney will be asking for it..

hope you're well.............see ya soon i hope!

Hi there QB. :0012:

Yeah, I heard TTV's interviews with both the General and the def. atty. today. Apparently, if I understood correctly, in this circumstance, Eric can get probation and is actually EXPECTED to get probation unless The General can prove that there is some overwhelming reason why he shouldn't.

I also saw film clips of both the "natural" mother of Sean and his foster parents. I know the "natural" mother was distraught, but I felt the foster parents showed a lot more class in their reactions. They so obviously cared very deeply for Sean.

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