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09-17-2008, 11:06 AM
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Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 08:21 AM
Good Morning Everyone...
What a nightmare for the Anthony's...Those protesters are way over the top....When you start throwing stuff at their home, you've stepped over protesting...This is no longer about Caylee...IMO
SongBird
09-18-2008, 08:43 AM
Good Morning Everyone...
What a nightmare for the Anthony's...Those protesters are way over the top....When you start throwing stuff at their home, you've stepped over protesting...This is no longer about Caylee...IMO
good morning all...cameras need to be removed ...there are some crazy people in our world who will do anything for 5 minutes of fame
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LiveLaughLuv
09-18-2008, 08:45 AM
Good morning all.
I agree TB. They have overstepped their bounds. This is past ridiculous.
Someone is going to be seriously injured. I don't understand the mentality of those protesters. Cindy and George while in denial have nothing to do with this.
What they need to do is protest to LE and ask why they haven't charged her with murder. I feel they have enough circumstantial evidence now, but want Caylee's body to ensure those charges stick.
After hearing LE question Casey, they are not equipped to handle her, they should have brought FBI in a behaviorial anaylst to help in those questionings.
This is a bizarre case, more twists and turns than that roller coaster at Coney Island, Casey being at the forefront.
I wonder if Casey has a split personality. This alter personality took over and created this huge tale to diminish Casey's responsiblity in the death of Caylee. Blaming ZFG is really blaming herself???
I know it's a stretch but I truly wonder.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 08:47 AM
good morning all...cameras need to be removed ...there are some crazy people in our world who will do anything for 5 minutes of fame
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At one point, I would agree with you...but in last nites incident, cameras managed to get the aggressive protesters on camera, who left before LE showed up...Now LE can watch the video and see who is doing this....
Like I have always said...it's one thing to quietly protest, but when you start throwing things at someone's house...you've moved beyound protesting....
Those protesters are darn lucky, that LE took George's gun, because he had every right to use it last night....
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 08:49 AM
Good morning all.
I agree TB. They have overstepped their bounds. This is past ridiculous.
Someone is going to be seriously injured. I don't understand the mentality of those protesters. Cindy and George while in denial have nothing to do with this.
What they need to do is protest to LE and ask why they haven't charged her with murder. I feel they have enough circumstantial evidence now, but want Caylee's body to ensure those charges stick.
After hearing LE question Casey, they are not equipped to handle her, they should have brought FBI in a behaviorial anaylst to help in those questionings.
This is a bizarre case, more twists and turns than that roller coaster at Coney Island, Casey being at the forefront.
I wonder if Casey has a split personality. This alter personality took over and created this huge tale to diminish Casey's responsiblity in the death of Caylee. Blaming ZFG is really blaming herself???
I know it's a stretch but I truly wonder.
Morning LLL...
I said that last week...Is Casey really Zenaida???
SongBird
09-18-2008, 08:55 AM
At one point, I would agree with you...but in last nites incident, cameras managed to get the aggressive protesters on camera, who left before LE showed up...Now LE can watch the video and see who is doing this....
Like I have always said...it's one thing to quietly protest, but when you start throwing things at someone's house...you've moved beyound protesting....
Those protesters are darn lucky, that LE took George's gun, because he had every right to use it last night....
hi TB... I'm not sure what the laws are like in Florida...but I can only assume the laws are similar to where I live (I live in USA up north) I believe George would not have the right to pull a gun out and shoot. Unless he can prove he or someone within that household was physically in danger...what were they throwing? rocks thru the window might justify using arms. JMHO
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 08:58 AM
Good Morning Everyone...
What a nightmare for the Anthony's...Those protesters are way over the top....When you start throwing stuff at their home, you've stepped over protesting...This is no longer about Caylee...IMO
OMG!! The protesters are throwing stuff at the house?!?! When did this happen, last night?
The only right they have is to peacefully protest. Throwing stuff is not being peaceful.
The violence with the protesters is escalating.
Good Morning EV1!
Faith
09-18-2008, 08:59 AM
Morning LLL...
I said that last week...Is Casey really Zenaida???
I think Casey may be role playing and she has learned her script/s to the T.
America and beyond is outraged about Caylee. Casey could truly be in a great amount of danger at that house.
How many people has she brought into this that doesn't seem to exist?
ZG, ZG's mom, ZG's sister, JL, the young lady at T.G.I. Friday's, anyone else?
Good Morning All!
I cannot believe the mess going on at the Anthony's in early morning hours. WOW! This stuff is getting nasty. I also said last night, "wonder if LE shows up at the Anthony's". This is getting to be a routine for LE. I think they(protesters) have over done their boundaries of protesting when they start throwing rocks at home, that is a bit much. If I were the A's, I would send Casey back to jail for her own safety, and then they wouldn't have to worry about all this crazy stuff going on around their home. JMO
God Bless Caylee!
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 09:01 AM
hi TB... I'm not sure what the laws are like in Florida...but I can only assume the laws are similar to where I live (I live in USA up north) I believe George would not have the right to pull a gun out and shoot. Unless he can prove he or someone within that household was physically in danger...what were they throwing? rocks thru the window might justify using arms. JMHO
I posted a week ago or so, that in FL they had passed a law stating that if you feel threatened, you can shoot someone....
http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_fl.htm
Miscellaneous Laws Include:
Under Florida law, there is no "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a lawful right to be. Instead, you may stand your ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others.
From reading all the different news media about last nite...it appears that the protesters at one time, banged on the front door, after that incident, they came back and started throwing rocks at the house...
Not sure what took place first, the banging on the door, or the rocks being thrown...but by the time LE showed up for both incidents, the protesters had left.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 09:04 AM
OMG!! The protesters are throwing stuff at the house?!?! When did this happen, last night?
The only right they have is to peacefully protest. Throwing stuff is not being peaceful.
The violence with the protesters is escalating.
Good Morning EV1!
Morning Stone..Here are the links for what happened last nite
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7458574&version=8&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
http://www.wesh.com/news/17501869/detail.html
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/18/anthonys39_scuffle_with_protesters.html
http://www.local6.com/news/17340486/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/news/17497948/detail.html
LiveLaughLuv
09-18-2008, 09:08 AM
Morning LLL...
I said that last week...Is Casey really Zenaida???
Did you TB? Sorry I must've missed it.
After hearing those tapes I think Casey feels she is going to get away scott free in regards to Caylee. She is so rehearsed, she is a great liar.
crossfire
09-18-2008, 09:09 AM
I think Casey may be role playing and she has learned her script/s to the T.
America and beyond is outraged about Caylee. Casey could truly be in a great amount of danger at that house.
How many people has she brought into this that doesn't seem to exist?
ZG, ZG's mom, ZG's sister, JL, the young lady at T.G.I. Friday's, anyone else?
Juliet Lewis and that other co worker.
Protesters grab Caylee's grandfather
ORLANDO -- A group of rock-throwing protesters shined flashlights into the windows of the home of missing toddler Caylee Anthony's grandparents and fought with the family early Thursday before trying to drag Anthony's grandfather into the street, FLORIDA TODAY news partner WKMG Local 6 News reports.
Since Caylee's mother, Casey, was released from jail for a third time, protesters have continued to gather outside the home and become more aggressive.
Several people were seen banging on the Anthony family's home and throwing rocks at the structure.
"(We're here) just to protest," a woman said outside of the home. "It's just to break them down. I think they are just protecting their daughter (Casey) which is the wrong thing to do in this case."
Grandmother Cindy Anthony ran outside with a bat in hand when the group began screaming at her husband, George, early Thursday.
A protester then reached over and tried to drag George Anthony off his property.
Local 6 reported that Cindy Anthony was pushed by a protester during the incident.
After the confrontation, George Anthony sprayed down the group of people with a hose.
By the time, officers arrived at the Anthony home, the group had left the neighborhood. No one was charged in the incident but deputies are looking at the Local 6 video.
The group of protesters yelled, "See you tomorrow" before driving away.
Search Taken To Puerto Rico
Meanwhile, George and Cindy Anthony are taking the search to find Caylee to Puerto Rico.
Cindy Anthony sat down with a Univision reporter for a one-on-one interview for the Spanish language TV station.
Anthony said she wanted to do the interview because of the large Puerto Rican viewership and she would like for the report to be played in Puerto Rico.
She said the family got tips about Caylee but could not give details about exactly where in Puerto Rico.
In the interview, Cindy Anthony said investigators told her weeks ago about evidence from the body farm.
According to investigators, the evidence suggests that Caylee is dead.
Cindy Anthony said she believes it was an intimidation tactic.
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080918/BREAKINGNEWS/80918006/1006/NEWS01
SongBird
09-18-2008, 09:10 AM
I posted a week ago or so, that in FL they had passed a law stating that if you feel threatened, you can shoot someone....
http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_fl.htm
Miscellaneous Laws Include:
Under Florida law, there is no "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a lawful right to be. Instead, you may stand your ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others.
From reading all the different news media about last nite...it appears that the protesters at one time, banged on the front door, after that incident, they came back and started throwing rocks at the house...
Not sure what took place first, the banging on the door, or the rocks being thrown...but by the time LE showed up for both incidents, the protesters had left.
wow...thanks for the update about the laws in florida..
yea...one of my best friends is a state Judge. We have these discussions all the time about the law and who has the right and so on.
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LiveLaughLuv
09-18-2008, 09:11 AM
hi TB... I'm not sure what the laws are like in Florida...but I can only assume the laws are similar to where I live (I live in USA up north) I believe George would not have the right to pull a gun out and shoot. Unless he can prove he or someone within that household was physically in danger...what were they throwing? rocks thru the window might justify using arms. JMHO
One of the protesters grabbed George by his arm to try and pull him out into the street. At that point, being on his property, had he has his gun, he would have used it and had good reason to.
These people are getting too agressive. They want Casey. This is truly a case gone wild. LE need to do something it's way out of hand.
protectkidz
09-18-2008, 09:12 AM
I hardly know what to say.
I'm shocked at what is going on over there.
Is the webcam there? I feel that it really needs to be removed.
nicky
09-18-2008, 09:15 AM
Morning Stone..Here are the links for what happened last nite
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7458574&version=8&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
http://www.wesh.com/news/17501869/detail.html
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/18/anthonys39_scuffle_with_protesters.html
http://www.local6.com/news/17340486/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/news/17497948/detail.html
First, Morning everyone!
Second WOW! I'm glad the Fox camera man got exactly where the protesters were standing by panning from them to the driveway and steet line, these people can be prosecuted for tresspassing.
This has gone way beyond any type of protest to out right mob mentality. And from the look in George's eyes, if Cindy hadn't been pushed when she was between them, I think George would have started fighting and been seriously hurt! George needs to stop coming outside to confront them and instead beat his daughter's azz and get her to tell the truth! JMO
OK... I am not taking up for anyone but thought that all weapons were not allowed to be in the home, isn't the bat considered as a weapon?
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 09:15 AM
One of the protesters grabbed George by his arm to try and pull him out into the street. At that point, being on his property, had he has his gun, he would have used it and had good reason to.
These people are getting too agressive. They want Casey. This is truly a case gone wild. LE need to do something it's way out of hand.
And on one of the videos...these protesters said they will be back every nite to pressure the Anthony's until they break....
Do they really think that helps Caylee??? As much as everyone says that the Anthony's should be out searching for Caylee....So should these protesters, if they are so darn concerned...Instead of hanging around at midnight or later, just to harrass them...
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 09:17 AM
OK... I am not taking up for anyone but thought that all weapons were not allowed to be in the home, isn't the bat considered as a weapon?
No, I don't think an aluminum bat is considered a weapon, even though you could use it as one....
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 09:18 AM
wow...thanks for the update about the laws in florida..
yea...one of my best friends is a state Judge. We have these discussions all the time about the law and who has the right and so on.
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SongBird, it would be interesting to know what your friends take is on all of this...
No, I don't think an aluminum bat is considered a weapon, even though you could use it as one....
OK...just making sure because here where I am, they would consider that as a weapon.
LiveLaughLuv
09-18-2008, 09:21 AM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17501866/index.html
They will keep going back until Caylee is brought home. They want to break the Anthony's down.
It's breaking his family apart one protester said GA said.
Why did they come out of their home?
Why they just didn't call police. Cindy with a bat, I would have used it!
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 09:21 AM
Morning Stone..Here are the links for what happened last nite
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7458574&version=8&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
http://www.wesh.com/news/17501869/detail.html
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/18/anthonys39_scuffle_with_protesters.html
http://www.local6.com/news/17340486/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/news/17497948/detail.html
The protesters have crossed the line this time. That is wrong..wrong...wrong!!! Are these protesters on drugs or drunk? That is not protesting, it is assault.
It is just a matter of short time before somebody is seriously injured.
Very sad situation, IMO :frown:
nicky
09-18-2008, 09:23 AM
http://www.wftv.com/video/17501866/index.html
They will keep going back until Caylee is brought home. They want to break the Anthony's down.
It's breaking his family apart one protester said GA said.
Why did they come out of their home?
Why they just didn't call police. Cindy with a bat, I would have used it!
I would have used it as well! But on the other hand, I wouldn't have come out of the house, so I wouldn't have had to use it.
LiveLaughLuv
09-18-2008, 09:23 AM
And on one of the videos...these protesters said they will be back every nite to pressure the Anthony's until they break....
Do they really think that helps Caylee??? As much as everyone says that the Anthony's should be out searching for Caylee....So should these protesters, if they are so darn concerned...Instead of hanging around at midnight or later, just to harrass them...
I guess their hoping Casey breaks and tells what happened to Caylee.
Sad really.
All I can say if Casey gets jail time, this will be sweet dessert compared to what the other inmates would to to her.
nicky
09-18-2008, 09:26 AM
Be back, I have to get ready for work.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 09:28 AM
I guess their hoping Casey breaks and tells what happened to Caylee.
Sad really.
All I can say if Casey gets jail time, this will be sweet dessert compared to what the other inmates would to to her.
It's LE's job to find out what happened to Caylee...not a bunch of protesters....
And because of all this publicity, if Casey is found guilty, she will have to be protected in prison...They can't risk something happening to her while in there....Talk about a law suit....
Faith
09-18-2008, 09:30 AM
I'm surprised Cindy didn't swing that baseball bat.
http://www.wftv.com/2008/0918/17502540_240X180.jpg
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 09:30 AM
garage door opening
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 09:31 AM
I'm surprised Cindy didn't swing that baseball bat.
http://www.wftv.com/2008/0918/17502540_240X180.jpg
I sure would have....
It had to be pretty bad, when CASEY was the one who called 911, the second time...
chambord
09-18-2008, 09:32 AM
Casey made the second 911 call last night!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-091808,0,5492153.story
Harmony
09-18-2008, 09:32 AM
IMO Casey has sociopathic tendencies. She is cunning, conniving, and manipulative. She sucks in and destroys everyone and everything around her. I believe that in her twisted mind she got rid of Caylee to avenge perceived wrongs against George and Cindy. They are among her victims. I think she privately and internally enjoys watching the protestors riling her parents up and watching their torment. It is a sport to her.
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 09:34 AM
George repairing the stakes and tape again.
eta: I wonder who is paying for all that tape and stakes?
I hope it isn't the helpfindcaylee fund.
So, who looks over Casey when George and Cindy are outside fighting with protesters? Makes me wonder, since Casey was the one calling 911.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 09:38 AM
So, who looks over Casey when George and Cindy are outside fighting with protesters? Makes me wonder, since Casey was the one calling 911.
Well obviously, no one...but it's not like she's going to run away...
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 09:41 AM
So, who looks over Casey when George and Cindy are outside fighting with protesters? Makes me wonder, since Casey was the one calling 911.
:g: good question. Remember that guy a while back who was released with an ankle bracelet? He took the ankle bracelet off and put it on his cat. It took LE 2 days to figure something was wrong.
Well obviously, no one...but it's not like she's going to run away...
Yeah, but still...someone could have came in through a window after her and G&C would have not known. :shrug1:
Audie
09-18-2008, 09:42 AM
Just my opinion, but I believe there will be some arrests made from last night. Didn't they have cameras installed .. one by the front door? And the media cameras too. Trespassing and assualt, imo.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 09:44 AM
Yeah, but still...someone could have came in through a window after her and G&C would have not known. :shrug1:
Casey would have known in advance that these protesters were going to start throwing stones at the house and banging on the front door...and also know what time....
I don't think so...but anything is possible...
I see the next thing is that George has a heart attack while confronting these protesters....
Faith
09-18-2008, 09:45 AM
George Anthony hoses protestors with water
September 18, 2008
Photos
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/091808protestorshosed/indexGallery.htm
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 09:46 AM
Just my opinion, but I believe there will be some arrests made from last night. Didn't they have cameras installed .. one by the front door? And the media cameras too. Trespassing and assualt, imo.
Morning Audie...Yeah, I forgot about those cameras on the house...plus in the videos, these protesters are very visible...
I sure hope they are arrested...this has gone on way too far...
I know some here feel that the Anthony's should just cower inside their house, while these protesters do whatever...but if they did that, it would only escalate, just to get them out there...Who knows what the protesters would do...
ETA - Like that you added the protesters to your signature
:g: good question. Remember that guy a while back who was released with an ankle bracelet? He took the ankle bracelet off and put it on his cat. It took LE 2 days to figure something was wrong.
Yes I do remember that, also by her calling 911 that would make a good move on her part showing she was in the home but leave right away, but I don't think she would run. I think that someone could get in to harm her without G&C knowing because they are fighting with protesters.JMO
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 09:51 AM
Yes I do remember that, also by her calling 911 that would make a good move on her part showing she was in the home but leave right away, but I don't think she would run. I think that someone could get in to harm her without G&C knowing because they are fighting with protesters.JMO
OMG...you're right Amy. I hadn't thought about that angle...someone entering the home while G&C are distracted. :shock:
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 09:51 AM
Yes I do remember that, also by her calling 911 that would make a good move on her part showing she was in the home but leave right away, but I don't think she would run. I think that someone could get in to harm her without G&C knowing because they are fighting with protesters.JMO
I'm sorry, my earlier post, I thought you were saying that someone would get Casey and help her escape...not that they would harm her....
My apologies
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I'm sorry, my earlier post, I thought you were saying that someone would get Casey and help her escape...not that they would harm her....
My apologies
That's ok...I should have explained my thoughts better.
KittyMom
09-18-2008, 09:55 AM
IMO Casey has sociopathic tendencies. She is cunning, conniving, and manipulative. She sucks in and destroys everyone and everything around her. I believe that in her twisted mind she got rid of Caylee to avenge perceived wrongs against George and Cindy. They are among her victims. I think she privately and internally enjoys watching the protestors riling her parents up and watching their torment. It is a sport to her.
ITA. Casey is getting a kick out of how riled up everyone is. She is once again in control.
OMG...you're right Amy. I hadn't thought about that angle...someone entering the home while G&C are distracted. :shock:
Yeah, I find it a little disturbing that there are so many of these people there. For what reason, George and Cindy, nahh not buying that, I am thinking this could be what is going to happen if someone doesn't do something about this soon. JMO Of course!
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 09:55 AM
Just think...this could go on until Casey goes to trial in November...unless LE charge her with homicide....
Wonder if George and Cindy can survive this...
chambord
09-18-2008, 09:55 AM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/09/casey-anthony-1.html
George accuses the media of paying the protestors.
I also read on Gretawire that Dr.Phil taped a segment on Caylee with Cindy and George's new atty. The scheduled airing hasn't been announced yet.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 09:59 AM
Another thing the Anthony's could do, is get a couple doberman's and when the protesters come on the property, release the dogs out the door...
That might stop them.
Just think...this could go on until Casey goes to trial in November...unless LE charge her with homicide....
Wonder if George and Cindy can survive this...
I really wish that LE would think of the all of the problems going on at the A's home and lock her up for everyone's safety. JMO
chambord
09-18-2008, 09:59 AM
ITA. Casey is getting a kick out of how riled up everyone is. She is once again in control.
I so agree Kitty. Casey is feeling pretty smug, she has everyone, inc, C&G, Lee and Baez, like puppits and she gets to pull the strings.
Another thing the Anthony's could do, is get a couple doberman's and when the protesters come on the property, release the dogs out the door...
That might stop them.
:67302: I know I would if I were them. JMO
Audie
09-18-2008, 10:01 AM
Morning Audie...Yeah, I forgot about those cameras on the house...plus in the videos, these protesters are very visible...
I sure hope they are arrested...this has gone on way too far...
I know some here feel that the Anthony's should just cower inside their house, while these protesters do whatever...but if they did that, it would only escalate, just to get them out there...Who knows what the protesters would do...
ETA - Like that you added the protesters to your signatureMorning, TB .. From what that guy said .. something like .. see you tomorrow night, I have a funny feeling somebody is going to be arrested, hurt or both tonite. jmo
My cam is stuck .. anybody else?
KittyMom
09-18-2008, 10:01 AM
I so agree Kitty. Casey is feeling pretty smug, she has everyone, inc, C&G, Lee and Baez, like puppits and she gets to pull the strings.
I'll bet when she made that 911 call last night she really played the drama queen thinking that eventually the media would be airing that tape.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:02 AM
I really wish that LE would think of the all of the problems going on at the A's home and lock her up for everyone's safety. JMO
Amy, that's not a good thing...even though I really would like LE charging her with a homicide..
Remember, if they lock Casey up, what about the next person and the next, who is charged with Child neglect.
This would just give protesters more power, thinking they won....
And we have to go by the Law of the Land....
i'll bet when she made that 911 call last night she really played the drama queen thinking that eventually the media would be airing that tape.
ita
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:03 AM
Morning, TB .. From what that guy said .. something like .. see you tomorrow night, I have a funny feeling somebody is going to be arrested, hurt or both tonite
My cam is stuck .. anybody else?
Yeah, mine is stuck too....
I heard that...hopefully LE will take care of this before that happens..
nicky
09-18-2008, 10:03 AM
Another thing the Anthony's could do, is get a couple doberman's and when the protesters come on the property, release the dogs out the door...
That might stop them.
TB, that isn't fair to the puppy dogs! J/K They may have to hire someone with K9 experience. jmo
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 10:04 AM
Yeah, I find it a little disturbing that there are so many of these people there. For what reason, George and Cindy, nahh not buying that, I am thinking this could be what is going to happen if someone doesn't do something about this soon. JMO Of course!
Oh, I agree totally. The aggression is escalating daily. These are no longer people coming out to peacefully protest. They want to make a name for themselves by starting a physical fight. In their warped perception, they could even believe they would be a hero to the world if they attacked Casey.
OMG, that made me shiver at the thought.
Harmony
09-18-2008, 10:04 AM
ITA. Casey is getting a kick out of how riled up everyone is. She is once again in control.
Exactly!!!!
Amy, that's not a good thing...even though I really would like LE charging her with a homicide..
Remember, if they lock Casey up, what about the next person and the next, who is charged with Child neglect.
This would just give protesters more power, thinking they won....
And we have to go by the Law of the Land....
ITA with you on that.
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 10:05 AM
I wonder why LE or the bond maker doesn't do something to make sure Casey is out of harm's way.
Oh, I agree totally. The aggression is escalating daily. These are no longer people coming out to peacefully protest. They want to make a name for themselves by starting a physical fight. In their warped perception, they could even believe they would be a hero to the world if they attacked Casey.
OMG, that made me shiver at the thought.
I really am hoping that there are some body guards or LE there waiting for these type of people today. Things are getting a bit out of hand.
G&C need to stay in the house or atleast someone with Casey at all times. JMO
SongBird
09-18-2008, 10:09 AM
George Anthony hoses protestors with water
September 18, 2008
Photos
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/091808protestorshosed/indexGallery.htm
Thanks for the link of pics Faith...wow...it is a mess.
I don't agree with the protestors ...but everytime the A's come out of there home to confront...they are feeding the protestors with more ammo.....they need to call the cops right away instead....JMHO
nicky
09-18-2008, 10:11 AM
Thanks for the link of pics Faith...wow...it is a mess.
I don't agree with the protestors ...but everytime the A's come out of there home to confront...they are feeding the protestors with more ammo.....they need to call the cops right away instead....JMHO
I agree, and stay inside!
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 10:11 AM
I really am hoping that there are some body guards or LE there waiting for these type of people today. Things are getting a bit out of hand.
G&C need to stay in the house or atleast someone with Casey at all times. JMO
Yeah, where are those bodyguards?!?
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:12 AM
Thanks for the link of pics Faith...wow...it is a mess.
I don't agree with the protestors ...but everytime the A's come out of there home to confront...they are feeding the protestors with more ammo.....they need to call the cops right away instead....JMHO
Let me ask you and Audie, as men, would you sit in your house, and just call LE, while protesters are throwing stuff at it, or pounding on the front door? Or would you attempt to go out and protect your family?
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:12 AM
Yeah, where are those bodyguards?!?
I think they only work weekends....
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 10:13 AM
Thanks for the link of pics Faith...wow...it is a mess.
I don't agree with the protestors ...but everytime the A's come out of there home to confront...they are feeding the protestors with more ammo.....they need to call the cops right away instead....JMHO
EXACTLY!!! They should not come out and confront the protesters. Fuel to fire...that is all it is.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:14 AM
EXACTLY!!! They should not come out and confront the protesters. Fuel to fire...that is all it is.
Do you really believe that not coming out, would make the protesters go away, or do you think it would escalate into more violence by the protesters to get them to come out???
Yeah, where are those bodyguards?!?
I think they only come on weekends but they need to be there 24/7 imo.
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 10:15 AM
Let me ask you and Audie, as men, would you sit in your house, and just call LE, while protesters are throwing stuff at it, or pounding on the front door? Or would you attempt to go out and protect your family?
TB, Cindy is not a man and she comes out more frequently than G, IMO.
Male or female, in this situation it is better to call LE and let them take care of the problem.
chambord
09-18-2008, 10:20 AM
I watched this video again and the first time, I didn't pay attention that well I guess. This morning , towards the end , the reporter mentions TES and that there will be a Big Suprise at the end of this. What does TES know?
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7457774&version=1&locale=EN-US
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:20 AM
TB, Cindy is not a man and she comes out more frequently than G, IMO.
Male or female, in this situation it is better to call LE and let them take care of the problem.
Playing devils advocate here....but Cindy is usually already outside, when she is confronted by the protesters....
And the Anthony's should let LE take care of the problem, but so should the protesters....
Faith
09-18-2008, 10:21 AM
I think the A's need to hire security 24/7. This is a high profile case and the A's shouldn't expect LE to provide the security for them. They chose to bail Casey out so they should provide the security as the Padilla's did when they bailed her out. It's their problem, not LE's.
I think the protesters are wrong and something has to be done to protect the A family at the A's expense.
I really don't know the law but it looks like if Casey's life may be in danger the judge may order her back to jail for her safety. Has that ever happened?
chambord
09-18-2008, 10:22 AM
I think they only work weekends....
Baez said he was paying their salaries, perhaps his budget only allows weekends. LOL.
Audie
09-18-2008, 10:22 AM
Another thing the Anthony's could do, is get a couple doberman's and when the protesters come on the property, release the dogs out the door...
That might stop them.I've been thinking what the A's could do .. play opera music, bright lights mounted on their house, dogs electric fence, etc. I don't think any of that would deter them, so I guess they'll have to wait for the HOA to come thru. jmo
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:24 AM
I watched this video again and the first time, I didn't pay attention that well I guess. This morning , towards the end , the reporter mentions TES and that there will be a Big Suprise at the end of this. What does TES know?
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7457774&version=1&locale=EN-US
Thanks Cham...very interesting...What does that mean???? Who is the spokesperson for TES, and what do they know??? hmmm
Faith
09-18-2008, 10:25 AM
I watched this video again and the first time, I didn't pay attention that well I guess. This morning , towards the end , the reporter mentions TES and that there will be a Big Suprise at the end of this. What does TES know?
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7457774&version=1&locale=EN-US
I can't read- please post when you guys find out. :g: I wonder if they found Caylee?
chambord
09-18-2008, 10:25 AM
Thanks Cham...very interesting...What does that mean???? Who is the spokesperson for TES, and what do they know??? hmmm
The spokesperson's name was mentioned, but I didn't catch the name.
I think the A's need to hire security 24/7. This is a high profile case and the A's shouldn't expect LE to provide the security for them. They chose to bail Casey out so they should provide the security as the Padilla's did when they bailed her out. It's their problem, not LE's.
I think the protesters are wrong and something has to be done to protect the A family at the A's expense.
I really don't know the law but it looks like if Casey's life may be in danger the judge may order her back to jail for her safety. Has that ever happened?
ITA - The A's do NEED to hire their own security.
I also agree about Casey life being in danger and seems like the judge could do something about that. But I really don't know the law either so not sure on that. JMO
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 10:26 AM
Do you really believe that not coming out, would make the protesters go away, or do you think it would escalate into more violence by the protesters to get them to come out???
No, I don't believe it would keep protesters away. I believe it would keep the confrontations from escalating into a violent situation. Call LE. It is there job to keep the peace.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:27 AM
I can't read- please post when you guys find out. :g: I wonder if they found Caylee?
The reporter said that she talked to TES spokesperson and they told her the TES is in constant contact with LE, and that there are new developments and we'll be in for a big surprise, but wouldn't elaborate on it...
nicky
09-18-2008, 10:27 AM
Thanks Cham...very interesting...What does that mean???? Who is the spokesperson for TES, and what do they know??? hmmm
hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm is right!
nicky
09-18-2008, 10:29 AM
I can't read- please post when you guys find out. :g: I wonder if they found Caylee?
They spoke to someone from TES and "she" said their were still big developments to come in this case and that everyone would be shocked...or something to that effect. The reporter also mentioned the fact that TES said they wouldn't leave until they found an alive Caylee or her remains.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:31 AM
The spokesperson's name was mentioned, but I didn't catch the name.
I watched it again, and they didn't mention her name...
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:32 AM
I've been thinking what the A's could do .. play opera music, bright lights mounted on their house, dogs electric fence, etc. I don't think any of that would deter them, so I guess they'll have to wait for the HOA to come thru. jmo
And then you'd have the neighbors call LE because the Anthony's were playing music too loud LOL
They can't win for losing...I still like the dobermans idea LOL
SongBird
09-18-2008, 10:32 AM
Let me ask you and Audie, as men, would you sit in your house, and just call LE, while protesters are throwing stuff at it, or pounding on the front door? Or would you attempt to go out and protect your family?
as a man ...I would have called the police...it's not worth getting into a conflict IMO...but I am also passive...and would have been passive from the get go..and I believe I would be assertive when addressing the media if I was in their shoes...but that is just me
The A's started with the signs on lawn...tape ...etc...which is passive aggressive.... The A's have also been aggressive towards the peaceful protestors prior to lastnights incident....these protestors from lastnight acted out aggressively...
see the patern of escalation?...but...I feel if the A's acted out passive from the get go...address the media in an assertive way or passive...all above would not exist IMO
I feel the A's put themselves in danger from the get go from how they have behaved thru out all of this!!
JMHO aboves..SB
tbrito1
09-18-2008, 10:33 AM
morning everyone. Who's car is in front of the A's house? also, they mentioned Lee last night and I remember thinking to myself how we orginally thought he was the only sain one......did they say they think he helped casey in some way?
nicky
09-18-2008, 10:34 AM
What's going on at the house?
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:35 AM
morning everyone. Who's car is in front of the A's house? also, they mentioned Lee last night and I remember thinking to myself how we orginally thought he was the only sain one......did they say they think he helped casey in some way?
Is that Lee?? And the black pickup...who's is that???
KittyMom
09-18-2008, 10:35 AM
I watched this video again and the first time, I didn't pay attention that well I guess. This morning , towards the end , the reporter mentions TES and that there will be a Big Suprise at the end of this. What does TES know?
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7457774&version=1&locale=EN-US
Great catch! I hadn't caught that. Now I'm thinking that TES didn't leave totally because of water. Sounds to me like they know where Caylee is.
scout
09-18-2008, 10:35 AM
The spokesperson's name was mentioned, but I didn't catch the name.
I didn't hear any named mentioned. They said 'she'.. I'm assuming its that woman who has always been referred to as the spokeperson..
tbrito1
09-18-2008, 10:36 AM
What's going on at the house?
don't know, who are those two men in front of the house? then the camera guy went over? HMMMMMMM what is happening?????
KittyMom
09-18-2008, 10:36 AM
I've been thinking what the A's could do .. play opera music, bright lights mounted on their house, dogs electric fence, etc. I don't think any of that would deter them, so I guess they'll have to wait for the HOA to come thru. jmo
It may be unpleasant for all involved, but a little skunk spray in the grass would keep those protesters away.
nicky
09-18-2008, 10:36 AM
wonder who the guys w/ties on are?
Isabella
09-18-2008, 10:37 AM
Is that Lee?? And the black pickup...who's is that???
Hi...Lee's car usually has that magnetic Caylee sign, don't see it on that car. Could be Baez.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:37 AM
don't know, who are those two men in front of the house? then the camera guy went over? HMMMMMMM what is happening?????
The 2 guys are media...and I can't tell if that is Baez's car in the drive, or Lee's Mustang...and again the black pickup
KittyMom
09-18-2008, 10:37 AM
The spokesperson's name was mentioned, but I didn't catch the name.
I didn't catch the name. I just heard the reporter refer to the spokesperson as "she".
tbrito1
09-18-2008, 10:38 AM
The 2 guys are media...and I can't tell if that is Baez's car in the drive, or Lee's Mustang...and again the black pickup
it's not a mustang, looks like a black audi or something....
nicky
09-18-2008, 10:38 AM
Has Casey already left for Baez office?
tbrito1
09-18-2008, 10:39 AM
Has Casey already left for Baez office?
i've been watching and haven't seen anyone leave yet.
nicky
09-18-2008, 10:40 AM
maybe Baez came to pick her up today after last night
tbrito1
09-18-2008, 10:40 AM
maybe Baez came to pick her up today after last night
maybe, kinda like a date!!!! :blondblush113268230
SongBird
09-18-2008, 10:41 AM
I've been thinking what the A's could do .. play opera music, bright lights mounted on their house, dogs electric fence, etc. I don't think any of that would deter them, so I guess they'll have to wait for the HOA to come thru. jmo
LOL!!! you all are too funny..I'm bagging up over here with all of your responses..very creative I must admit ;) but I feel...they need to just stop..hide..pretend no one is outside. ignore...stay away type of deal...than it becomes boring news..right now it is red hot news
any type of passive aggressive behavior in this stage of the game will only make it hotter...JMHO
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:41 AM
Hi...Lee's car usually has that magnetic Caylee sign, don't see it on that car. Could be Baez.
Morning Isabella...yeah after looking closer, it's not Lee's Mustang...It's definitely Baez's....
Isabella
09-18-2008, 10:41 AM
Here is another video with sound I didn't hear this morning..
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-091808,0,5492153.story
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:41 AM
Great catch! I hadn't caught that. Now I'm thinking that TES didn't leave totally because of water. Sounds to me like they know where Caylee is.
I agree....TES just left way too quickly...it sent my hinky meter way up....
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:42 AM
It may be unpleasant for all involved, but a little skunk spray in the grass would keep those protesters away.
Can you buy that???? But a great idea...
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:45 AM
as a man ...I would have called the police...it's not worth getting into a conflict IMO...but I am also passive...and would have been passive from the get go..and I believe I would be assertive when addressing the media if I was in their shoes...but that is just me
The A's started with the signs on lawn...tape ...etc...which is passive aggressive.... The A's have also been aggressive towards the peaceful protestors prior to lastnights incident....these protestors from lastnight acted out aggressively...
see the patern of escalation?...but...I feel if the A's acted out passive from the get go...address the media in an assertive way or passive...all above would not exist IMO
I feel the A's put themselves in danger from the get go from how they have behaved thru out all of this!!
JMHO aboves..SB
Thanks for your honest opinion....
I've never been passive about anything, so I look at it differently...
dega101653
09-18-2008, 10:45 AM
I agree....TES just left way too quickly...it sent my hinky meter way up....
I was thinking about they found the body too but with the spokesperson saying they would come back if needed made me think they did not have her yet. JMO:cray:
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 10:46 AM
They spoke to someone from TES and "she" said their were still big developments to come in this case and that everyone would be shocked...or something to that effect. The reporter also mentioned the fact that TES said they wouldn't leave until they found an alive Caylee or her remains.
Hmmm...that kind of fits into the talk about finding human remains the Sunday TES pulled out, IMO. It would be just about the right amount of time for the forensic results to come back.
nicky
09-18-2008, 10:48 AM
Here is another video with sound I didn't hear this morning..
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-091808,0,5492153.story
Wow...did you hear them at the end taunting George? One of them called him georgie porgie...geez
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 10:51 AM
I was thinking about they found the body too but with the spokesperson saying they would come back if needed made me think they did not have her yet. JMO:cray:
I think it was a cover statement, just like LE searching the area by UCF. They new they found human remains, but they didn't know who those remains belonged to. They didn't want to create hysteria about the find until they knew whose remains they were and could immediately arrest Casey (for her own safety).
JMO though :smile:
KittyMom
09-18-2008, 10:51 AM
Can you buy that???? But a great idea...
I've seen it at Spencer's in the malls.
I found this by googling...
http://www.greenstation.co.nz/Product.skunkshot-scatter/
SkunkShot is the latest and most effective cat and dog repellent on the market. SkunkShot utilizes the natural and non-toxic chemistry of the skunk in a long lasting, waterproof gel, to provide a long term solution to problem cats and dogs and the mess they can make of your lawn or garden.
Isabella
09-18-2008, 10:51 AM
They spoke to someone from TES and "she" said their were still big developments to come in this case and that everyone would be shocked...or something to that effect. The reporter also mentioned the fact that TES said they wouldn't leave until they found an alive Caylee or her remains.
Well didn't TES go to Texas to follow a tip? To me if they found Caylee's remains I would be sad and grateful but not shocked, but if they find her alive then I would be shocked. Hmmm
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:52 AM
I've seen it at Spencer's in the malls.
I found this by googling...
http://www.greenstation.co.nz/Product.skunkshot-scatter/
Cool...someone should email the Anthony's and suggest it for use on the protesters...
nicky
09-18-2008, 10:52 AM
Well didn't TES go to Texas to follow a tip? To me if they found Caylee's remains I would be sad and grateful but not shocked, but if they find her alive then I would be shocked. Hmmm
Tim went to Aruba.
LiveLaughLuv
09-18-2008, 10:53 AM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/09/casey-anthony-1.html
George accuses the media of paying the protestors.
I also read on Gretawire that Dr.Phil taped a segment on Caylee with Cindy and George's new atty. The scheduled airing hasn't been announced yet.
Who in their right mind would PAY protesters to show up at their home.
They need to stop making such statements. There is no conspiracy against the Anthony family. :rolleye0001:
First it's LE who are conspiring, now the media. Who's next?
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:53 AM
Well didn't TES go to Texas to follow a tip? To me if they found Caylee's remains I would be sad and grateful but not shocked, but if they find her alive then I would be shocked. Hmmm
IIRC they sent someone to check out the tip Cindy gave them...I don't think it was anything....
And I also would be surprised if they found Caylee alive...I highly doubt it...
Audie
09-18-2008, 10:54 AM
Let me ask you and Audie, as men, would you sit in your house, and just call LE, while protesters are throwing stuff at it, or pounding on the front door? Or would you attempt to go out and protect your family?Well, if I was confident that the HOA was going to get rid of them in a day or two, I might hunker down. If not, I would probably venture out and confront them some. I'm thinking, at this point, I would be going out with a bullet proof vest, helmet and a hose with more water pressure. Too bad the A's can't possess tear gas, rubber bullets, etc. Dang, I hate to say I'm siding with the A's but these protesters are something else. jmo
Madhatter
09-18-2008, 10:54 AM
Was the reporter talking about Mandy Albritton, the search director for TES?
Isabella
09-18-2008, 10:54 AM
Tim went to Aruba.
Tim did, but I thought some others from his team was going to follow a lead in Texas, I could be wrong. lol
KittyMom
09-18-2008, 10:56 AM
Cool...someone should email the Anthony's and suggest it for use on the protesters...
Best bet might be to send the link to Casey's facebook page. Someone here posted that they were accepted as a friend, iirc.
wow...it bothers me that I'm suggesting something that might benefit Casey. yuck
LiveLaughLuv
09-18-2008, 10:56 AM
I wonder why LE or the bond maker doesn't do something to make sure Casey is out of harm's way.
Because it's her right to be bailed out. They could consider moving her to an undisclosed location but then again, with her daily visits to Baez someone will find her.
I think they need to post a cease and desist letter on their door. Giving the protesters fair warning.
KittyMom
09-18-2008, 10:57 AM
Was the reporter talking about Mandy Albritton, the search director for TES?
No name was mentioned. Reporter just said "she" and described the person as a spokesperson.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:58 AM
Well, if I was confident that the HOA was going to get rid of them in a day or two, I might hunker down. If not, I would probably venture out and confront them some. I'm thinking, at this point, I would be going out with a bullet proof vest, helmet and a hose with more water pressure. Too bad the A's can't possess tear gas, rubber bullets, etc. Dang, I hate to say I'm siding with the A's but these protesters are something else. jmo
Good answer....I appreciate your honest opinion too....are you a Libra??? Weighing both sides of it...hmmm
nicky
09-18-2008, 10:58 AM
Best bet might be to send the link to Casey's facebook page. Someone here posted that they were accepted as a friend, iirc.
wow...it bothers me that I'm suggesting something that might benefit Casey. yuck
Just look at it this way, it's not to benefit Casey, but to protect George and Cindy.
tbrito1
09-18-2008, 10:59 AM
did anyone see baez's car leave? I didn't?
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 10:59 AM
Was the reporter talking about Mandy Albritton, the search director for TES?
Bet that's who is was...thanks for the reminder Madhatter....
KittyMom
09-18-2008, 11:01 AM
Just look at it this way, it's not to benefit Casey, but to protect George and Cindy.
Sry, but that doesn't make me feel any better. I think they're up to their necks in a cover up after the fact.
I'll just look think of it as protecting the integrity of the case.
Isabella
09-18-2008, 11:01 AM
did anyone see baez's car leave? I didn't?
Dang! No I missed it, wonder if casey left with him?
Madhatter
09-18-2008, 11:01 AM
After viewing the video of the protesters . . . disgusting, just disgusting! Peaceful protest and expressing your views is one thing, but those people were just trashy, IMO.
tbrito1
09-18-2008, 11:02 AM
Dang! No I missed it, wonder if casey left with him?
I swear this webcam refreshes everytime something happens!!!
KittyMom
09-18-2008, 11:02 AM
did anyone see baez's car leave? I didn't?
I wonder why he was there this morning and if Casey left with him?
nicky
09-18-2008, 11:02 AM
I wish Beth Holloway would take her therapist(I assume she had one) to Orlando and sit down face to face and talk with George and Cindy, you know she had to have a time when she wondered if Natalie had been sold into white slavery or something, and talk to them about all her hardships and how she faced reality. I think that would help them. jmo
Isabella
09-18-2008, 11:04 AM
Sry, but that doesn't make me feel any better. I think they're up to their necks in a cover up after the fact.
I'll just look think of it as protecting the integrity of the case.
ITA and they should have stayed in the house, if you were asleep at 130 in the mornig and heard banging and something being thrown at your house, how many of us would go outside to confront people doing that? Not me! I would hide and call 911 as fast as I could.
They had that option and as usual they do what they want not what is best.
Just as with Casey they have a problem letting LE do their job.jmo
KittyMom
09-18-2008, 11:04 AM
I wish Beth Holloway would take her therapist(I assume she had one) to Orlando and sit down face to face and talk with George and Cindy, you know she had to have a time when she wondered if Natalie had been sold into white slavery or something, and talk to them about all her hardships and how she faced reality. I think that would help them. jmo
They've got to be ready to hear it and, imo, they aren't there yet.
LiveLaughLuv
09-18-2008, 11:06 AM
Do you really believe that not coming out, would make the protesters go away, or do you think it would escalate into more violence by the protesters to get them to come out???
It wouldn't matter to them either way to the protesters. I also feel they shouldn't come out to confront them. They should stay inside and call the police.
I just get the feeling Cindy feels like it's her home and who the hell are they to insist Casey go back to jail. This is Casey's home, she told one reporter. They don't look at themselves as protecting Casey. Which I don't understand. Their granddaughter who is the love of their lives, their happiness for three years should have precedent over Casey. Casey is an adult who "misplaces" her child, no one has seen Caylee in 90+ days. Caylee has been silenced and can't speak for herself which is why Cindy and George should be Caylee's voice. They can still love and support Casey but need to stand up for Caylee. I just don't get their thinking. I wonder how much guilt Casey placed on her parents. The Anthony's did just a flip flop with Casey. What happened to the charges they wanted her arrested for? Is it forgotten about. It shouldn't be. They need to stop being enablers and take a stand for Caylee.
KittyMom
09-18-2008, 11:07 AM
It wouldn't matter to them either way to the protesters. I also feel they shouldn't come out to confront them. They should stay inside and call the police.
I just get the feeling Cindy feels like it's her home and who the hell are they to insist Casey go back to jail. This is Casey's home, she told one reporter. They don't look at themselves as protecting Casey. Which I don't understand. Their granddaughter who is the love of their lives, their happiness for three years should have precedent over Casey. Casey is an adult who "misplaces" her child, no one has seen Caylee in 90+ days. Caylee has been silenced and can't speak for herself which is why Cindy and George should be Caylee's voice. They can still love and support Casey but need to stand up for Caylee. I just don't get their thinking. I wonder how much guilt Casey placed on her parents. The Anthony's did just a flip flop with Casey. What happened to the charges they wanted her arrested for? Is it forgotten about. It shouldn't be. They need to stop being enablers and take a stand for Caylee.
:zm10: ITA
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 11:08 AM
IIRC they sent someone to check out the tip Cindy gave them...I don't think it was anything....
And I also would be surprised if they found Caylee alive...I highly doubt it...
If Caylee is alive, they wouldn't be holding back the announcement.
That tip in Texas truned out to be false. They found the lady and child. The child was with a babysitter. Don't have the link. It was a week or so back.
Isabella
09-18-2008, 11:11 AM
If Caylee is alive, they wouldn't be holding back the announcement.
That tip in Texas truned out to be false. They found the lady and child. The child was with a babysitter. Don't have the link. It was a week or so back.
I agree with you guys I just found the language 'big surprise' and 'shocked' strange terms to use if remains were found.
LiveLaughLuv
09-18-2008, 11:12 AM
I watched this video again and the first time, I didn't pay attention that well I guess. This morning , towards the end , the reporter mentions TES and that there will be a Big Suprise at the end of this. What does TES know?
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7457774&version=1&locale=EN-US
Big developments?
I wonder if they found Caylee.
If they are doing tests to positively ID her. TES pulled out too quick. Although the reporter say they will be back.
nicky
09-18-2008, 11:13 AM
I agree with you guys I just found the language 'big surprise' and 'shocked' strange terms to use if remains were found.
You know reporters in certain areas trying to get a scoop, that may not have been the words the spokesperson used. After all every night NG has "breaking news" and it's something we have talked about before:shrug1:
nicky
09-18-2008, 11:14 AM
Big developments?
I wonder if they found Caylee.
If they are doing tests to positively ID her. TES pulled out too quick. Although the reporter say they will be back.
Hopefully that was in reference to coming back for a trial...jmo
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 11:15 AM
I agree with you guys I just found the language 'big surprise' and 'shocked' strange terms to use if remains were found.
I found those terms odd too. I think I'll go check some of the other boards, see what they are saying about it.
BBL
Swift downpours in Orlando, Lake Mary drench roadways
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-flashflood1608sep16,0,4750599.story
Just FYI
Isabella
09-18-2008, 11:17 AM
You know reporters in certain areas trying to get a scoop, that may not have been the words the spokesperson used. After all every night NG has "breaking news" and it's something we have talked about before:shrug1:
LOL True like Nancy using last night 'Casey had Accomplice' turns out that was just Lenny's thoery.
Audie
09-18-2008, 11:19 AM
The spokesperson's name was mentioned, but I didn't catch the name.I didn't hear them name the spokesperson, but they said "she". The spokesperson at the search was Mandy Albriton. If it wasn't her, then maybe Erin who takes calls at the office. jmo
Audie
09-18-2008, 11:21 AM
as a man ...I would have called the police...it's not worth getting into a conflict IMO...but I am also passive...and would have been passive from the get go..and I believe I would be assertive when addressing the media if I was in their shoes...but that is just me
The A's started with the signs on lawn...tape ...etc...which is passive aggressive.... The A's have also been aggressive towards the peaceful protestors prior to lastnights incident....these protestors from lastnight acted out aggressively...
see the patern of escalation?...but...I feel if the A's acted out passive from the get go...address the media in an assertive way or passive...all above would not exist IMO
I feel the A's put themselves in danger from the get go from how they have behaved thru out all of this!!
JMHO aboves..SBGreat post, SB.
nicky
09-18-2008, 11:22 AM
Was reading on the fox blog and a local said that Nejame was on the news last night and was not happy with Cindy, he didn't know anything about that interview she gave, or the message to PR.
nicky
09-18-2008, 11:24 AM
Is that a protester and a chair or a camera guy?
Isabella
09-18-2008, 11:26 AM
Is that a protester and a chair or a camera guy?
Maybe getting ready to do the noon newscast.
So C/G attny isn't happy with Cindy? lol Can't say I am surprised, they do exactly what they want to do and say.
Audie
09-18-2008, 11:26 AM
LOL!!! you all are too funny..I'm bagging up over here with all of your responses..very creative I must admit ;) but I feel...they need to just stop..hide..pretend no one is outside. ignore...stay away type of deal...than it becomes boring news..right now it is red hot news
any type of passive aggressive behavior in this stage of the game will only make it hotter...JMHOIt might be worth a try .. just staying inside. They've already got the prostaters riled up now, and to keep going outside just makes them come back for more. jmo
LiveLaughLuv
09-18-2008, 11:26 AM
After viewing the video of the protesters . . . disgusting, just disgusting! Peaceful protest and expressing your views is one thing, but those people were just trashy, IMO.
Lynch mob comes to mind.
LiveLaughLuv
09-18-2008, 11:27 AM
I swear this webcam refreshes everytime something happens!!!
What cam are you all watching?
nicky
09-18-2008, 11:27 AM
What cam are you all watching?
Mobile 2, the guy I asked about is gone for now.
Isabella
09-18-2008, 11:30 AM
It might be worth a try .. just staying inside. They've already got the prostaters riled up now, and to keep going outside just makes them come back for more. jmo
ITA and just because George no longer has his weapon (gun) that doesn't neam some crazy protester doesn't have one. Certainly not worth getting really hurt.
(Glad you made it thru Ike OK)
LiveLaughLuv
09-18-2008, 11:30 AM
Was reading on the fox blog and a local said that Nejame was on the news last night and was not happy with Cindy, he didn't know anything about that interview she gave, or the message to PR.
See, no one can tell Cindy what she can or cannot do. This is something that should have gone through her attorney. She does these things on her own. Nejame has his work cut out for him.
nicky
09-18-2008, 11:31 AM
Have you seen this uncut video? The camera guy gets good pictures of the people...there's one goofy guy that he follows, wonder if he was throwing stuff?
www.wesh.com/video/17503225/index.html
See if you guys can hear what they are saying, I can't hear all of it since I'm at work, it even shows G/C talking to police.
I think when LE makes camera guy move, Cindy tells officer that he got everyone on tape...I bet charges are filed today.jmo
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 11:35 AM
Was reading on the fox blog and a local said that Nejame was on the news last night and was not happy with Cindy, he didn't know anything about that interview she gave, or the message to PR.
LOL! That poor guy did not know what he had gotten into when he took on the Anthonys, especially Cindy.
JMO
Audie
09-18-2008, 11:35 AM
I agree....TES just left way too quickly...it sent my hinky meter way up....I asked my TES friend last night about the remains that were found about the time TES left. Laurie (a volunteer searcher who lives there) said that it wasn't Caylee. Apparently it was in the paper that day or shortly thereafter. Maybe the Sentinal?
Laurie searches with Joe on weekends, cause she has to work. She thinks Joe and others might be searching on some of the weekdays too.
jmo
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 11:36 AM
Hmmm...someone at another board speculating that the reason Baez picked up Casey this morning might have been to surrender her, pending new charges. That might explain why none of the family drove her this morning.
LiveLaughLuv
09-18-2008, 11:40 AM
Hmmm...someone at another board speculating that the reason Baez picked up Casey this morning might have been to surrender her, pending new charges. That might explain why none of the family drove her this morning.
Not more check fraud charges?
Audie
09-18-2008, 11:42 AM
Was the reporter talking about Mandy Albritton, the search director for TES?Mandy was just in charge of media, not search director. I think Tim wears that hat. She's not even an official search coordinator (yet).
jmo
Pandabear
09-18-2008, 11:42 AM
Just a couple of comments here...
The protesters are not there at the As about Caylee. If they were, we'd be seeing the same ones over and over. Seems there is a new group every day and they are there for some sick thrill they get out of this. JMO of course. I'm very surprised that someone hasn't gotten injured or that one of the As isn't having health problems because of this.
I got sort of irritated with LE when I was listening to the tapes of them interviewing Casey. It was like they would ask her a question or make a statement and before she could answer, or while she was answering, they would interrupt and start asking something completely different. I wanted them to ask a question or make a comment then wait for her response so maybe, just maybe, she would forget her story. Oh well, guess that's why they are the experts.
I just want Caylee found. I want these people who are protesting to get out there and find that baby's body and give her some peace. She's out there somewhere and she needs to be found. I wish I could be there to help search.
Faith
09-18-2008, 11:42 AM
Sry, but that doesn't make me feel any better. I think they're up to their necks in a cover up after the fact.
I'll just look think of it as protecting the integrity of the case.
I agree with you. JMO
Audie
09-18-2008, 11:43 AM
Tim did, but I thought some others from his team was going to follow a lead in Texas, I could be wrong. lolI highly doubt it, but Tim has a lot of resources, so maybe.
jmo
Faith
09-18-2008, 11:44 AM
Did you see the side of the car where it says- Caylee is alive & Missing
Isabella
09-18-2008, 11:44 AM
Hmmm...someone at another board speculating that the reason Baez picked up Casey this morning might have been to surrender her, pending new charges. That might explain why none of the family drove her this morning.
Meanwhile, Casey Anthony, Caylee's mother, left the home this morning with her attorney, Jose Baez, for a scheduled visit to his Osceola office.
http://www.wesh.com/news/17501869/detail.html
We weren't that lucky today Stone..lol
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 11:44 AM
Not more check fraud charges?
I hope for something more serious.
I dunno, just odd Baez would be transporting Casey today when nobody in the home is currently working.
IMO
nicky
09-18-2008, 11:46 AM
Did you see the side of the car where it says- Caylee is alive & Missing
No, which car?
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 11:46 AM
meanwhile, casey anthony, caylee's mother, left the home this morning with her attorney, jose baez, for a scheduled visit to his osceola office.
http://www.wesh.com/news/17501869/detail.html
we weren't that lucky today stone..lol
rats!!
KittyMom
09-18-2008, 11:47 AM
Meanwhile, Casey Anthony, Caylee's mother, left the home this morning with her attorney, Jose Baez, for a scheduled visit to his Osceola office.
http://www.wesh.com/news/17501869/detail.html
We weren't that lucky today Stone..lol
I wonder if G/C/L refused to drive Casey to Baez's office. :confused:
SongBird
09-18-2008, 11:49 AM
I wonder if G/C/L refused to drive Casey to Baez's office. :confused:
doubt it...I'm only guessing here...but since all the aggressive protesting was going on lastnight...who better to have a witness than your lawyer if something else goes sour...JMO
Audie
09-18-2008, 11:49 AM
Well, I'm off for awhile. I'll report about the animal shelter on the OT thread when I get back.
Yell loud if that breaking news happens! LOL
Faith
09-18-2008, 11:50 AM
It took me forever to watch that video, George walked out and told them. c'mon, all of you-then he said I'm right here- George went to public property, he is lucky those guys didn't drag him into the street. The A's doesn't understand the public is angry that Casey hasn't helped find Caylee. That one guy made a thread to G.
The video is cut, I wish we could see it all.
JMO
sarahhod
09-18-2008, 11:51 AM
Here is another video with sound I didn't hear this morning..
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-091808,0,5492153.story
Hi Everyone.
TY Isabella for the video.
I know this is not a popular opinion, but, im in tears after watching this. I really feel sad for George and Cindy. I realise alot of what they have done and said has not been good but that is their home and like it or not this is Casey's HOME until such time as she is arrested or chooses to leave.
Imagine waking in the middle of the night to rocks being thrown at your windows and door, that must be terrifying and they are trying to protect their home and their daughter. Maybe they thought that if they didnt get outside their home quickly to confront these protestors then the protestors may have gotten into their home and thats a far worse prospect.
Those protesters were there for one reason only....to harrass, incite,provoke and get them to come outside, nothing was going to stop them until they got George and Cindy outside. Those protestors need their azzes putting in jail for assault.
George and Cindy are teetering on the edge and if this carrys on every night like the protestors said it would, then it wont surprise me to wake up one morning and read that the Anthony's have all committed suicide. NO-ONE could take this harrassment for this long.
Despite what Casey may or may not have done, it is not George or Cindy's fault and i really feel that this has gone way over the top and has to be stopped before someone gets seriously hurt. Next thing the protestors will be turning up with weapons or guns.
Thanks for listening.
Faith
09-18-2008, 11:52 AM
Meanwhile, Casey Anthony, Caylee's mother, left the home this morning with her attorney, Jose Baez, for a scheduled visit to his Osceola office.
http://www.wesh.com/news/17501869/detail.html
We weren't that lucky today Stone..lol
This is just a strange relationship. I've never heard of such. Maybe George was afraid to leave Cindy alone. I wonder if Lee went back to work.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 11:55 AM
Hi Everyone.
TY Isabella for the video.
I know this is not a popular opinion, but, im in tears after watching this. I really feel sad for George and Cindy. I realise alot of what they have done and said has not been good but that is their home and like it or not this is Casey's HOME until such time as she is arrested or chooses to leave.
Imagine waking in the middle of the night to rocks being thrown at your windows and door, that must be terrifying and they are trying to protect their home and their daughter. Maybe they thought that if they didnt get outside their home quickly to confront these protestors then the protestors may have gotten into their home and thats a far worse prospect.
Those protesters were there for one reason only....to harrass, incite,provoke and get them to come outside, nothing was going to stop them until they got George and Cindy outside. Those protestors need their azzes putting in jail for assault.
George and Cindy are teetering on the edge and if this carrys on every night like the protestors said it would, then it wont surprise me to wake up one morning and read that the Anthony's have all committed suicide. NO-ONE could take this harrassment for this long.
Despite what Casey may or may not have done, it is not George or Cindy's fault and i really feel that this has gone way over the top and has to be stopped before someone gets seriously hurt. Next thing the protestors will be turning up with weapons or guns.
Thanks for listening.
Excellent post...I agree...
Faith
09-18-2008, 11:59 AM
Hi Everyone.
TY Isabella for the video.
I know this is not a popular opinion, but, im in tears after watching this. I really feel sad for George and Cindy. I realise alot of what they have done and said has not been good but that is their home and like it or not this is Casey's HOME until such time as she is arrested or chooses to leave.
Imagine waking in the middle of the night to rocks being thrown at your windows and door, that must be terrifying and they are trying to protect their home and their daughter. Maybe they thought that if they didnt get outside their home quickly to confront these protestors then the protestors may have gotten into their home and thats a far worse prospect.
Those protesters were there for one reason only....to harrass, incite,provoke and get them to come outside, nothing was going to stop them until they got George and Cindy outside. Those protestors need their azzes putting in jail for assault.
George and Cindy are teetering on the edge and if this carrys on every night like the protestors said it would, then it wont surprise me to wake up one morning and read that the Anthony's have all committed suicide. NO-ONE could take this harrassment for this long.
Despite what Casey may or may not have done, it is not George or Cindy's fault and i really feel that this has gone way over the top and has to be stopped before someone gets seriously hurt. Next thing the protestors will be turning up with weapons or guns.
Thanks for listening.
Hi Sarah, ty.
I see no alternative but to hire security. I'm not sure security could handle them unless they hire armed security.
This is a very dangerous situation for all involved. G & C has to realize they cannot handle the situation. Those guys could have knocked G & C down and got into the house very easily.
JMO
sarahhod
09-18-2008, 12:00 PM
Excellent post...I agree...
Thanks TB. Love reading your posts also, always very well thought out.:kissyface4:
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:00 PM
Protesters Hurl Rocks, Insults at Anthony House
www.wftv.com/news/17497948/detail.html
Harmony
09-18-2008, 12:02 PM
This is just a strange relationship. I've never heard of such. Maybe George was afraid to leave Cindy alone. I wonder if Lee went back to work.
After seeing them with their fingers intertwined and his arm around her shoulder/her's around his waist :friends3: , it is almost like he is picking her up for a date.
(MOO)
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 12:03 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/17497948/detail.html
snipped
George told Eyewitness News he knows who the people are and he wants them prosecuted. He spoke at length Thursday morning about Wednesday night's confrontation. He said, if the requested injunction wasn't denied by a judge to keep protesters away from this area, what happened overnight may not have happened. The activity was out of control and it's surprising no one got hurt.
PROTESTER CONFRONTATION:
See Images | Raw Video
Protesters Talk | Deputies
George Anthony spent Thursday morning hammering in wooden steaks and putting tape up again in his front yard.
"Did your surveillance video get any of this action on tape last night?" WFTV reporter Mark Boyle asked George Anthony on Thursday morning.
"Absolutely, we know who the people are," George said. "They threw pebbles, pennies at my house. I have chips in my widows, damaged grass and a dent in my garage door."
That dent was caused by one of the protesters banging on the garage door. Armed with a bat, George and Cindy confronted the crowd. One woman grabbed George's' shirt and tried dragging him down the driveway. George ended up using a garden hose to keep the protesters away.
Deputies finally showed up after Casey called 911.
"I feel sorry for my neighbors that I've known for the last 19 years. It's ashamed what's happened to my neighborhood because of this," George told Eyewitness News.
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:04 PM
Hi Sarah, ty.
I see no alternative but to hire security. I'm not sure security could handle them unless they hire armed security.
This is a very dangerous situation for all involved. G & C has to realize they cannot handle the situation. Those guys could have knocked G & C down and got into the house very easily.
JMO
Heck, I say hire security with K9's, maybe some off duty officers and their K9 partners. I wouldn't go near a german shep. that was with one!
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:06 PM
G talking to someone at end of drive that has dress on , guess its a reporter
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:07 PM
Wow...did you guys catch the reporter walking by the web cam, that sure was a smug face she had on
SongBird
09-18-2008, 12:08 PM
After seeing them with their fingers intertwined and his arm around her shoulder/her's around his waist :friends3: , it is almost like he is picking her up for a date.
(MOO)
I can not see the video (at work firewall) but from the sound of your post... my take on it, it sounds like he is attempting to give the camera a show that she has been traumatized and is the victim. JMO
dega101653
09-18-2008, 12:08 PM
Excellent post...I agree...
As much as I despise that C&G are not really doing thing [that is visable anyway] to help find Caylee or help LE in other ways I really have to step back and wonder how I would handle this if it were my son or daughter in this situation. I would like to think I would take the right path and do the right things but as a parent I don't know if that is always possible when one of our children is being threatned or hurt or we are in fear of loosing them.
I can remember when my children were small simple things as someone treating them unfairly at even little league and tee-ball created hurt and anger in me. I wanted to jump up and defend them then. That was a simple hurt so I can't imagine something so severe as this. I am really angry at the family but then again I also finding myself realizing I might do the same thing and I would be the one getting the rocks thrown at my house. When fear and protective instinct kicks in, in any situation I don't think we really know what we as parents would do. Just my opinion and love this site. Hugs:girl_haha:
Isabella
09-18-2008, 12:09 PM
Hi Everyone.
TY Isabella for the video.
I know this is not a popular opinion, but, im in tears after watching this. I really feel sad for George and Cindy. I realise alot of what they have done and said has not been good but that is their home and like it or not this is Casey's HOME until such time as she is arrested or chooses to leave.
Imagine waking in the middle of the night to rocks being thrown at your windows and door, that must be terrifying and they are trying to protect their home and their daughter. Maybe they thought that if they didnt get outside their home quickly to confront these protestors then the protestors may have gotten into their home and thats a far worse prospect.
Those protesters were there for one reason only....to harrass, incite,provoke and get them to come outside, nothing was going to stop them until they got George and Cindy outside. Those protestors need their azzes putting in jail for assault.
George and Cindy are teetering on the edge and if this carrys on every night like the protestors said it would, then it wont surprise me to wake up one morning and read that the Anthony's have all committed suicide. NO-ONE could take this harrassment for this long.
Despite what Casey may or may not have done, it is not George or Cindy's fault and i really feel that this has gone way over the top and has to be stopped before someone gets seriously hurt. Next thing the protestors will be turning up with weapons or guns.
Thanks for listening.
Hi Sarah! I certainly understand how you feel but I still think that for anyone to go outside in the middle of the night and confront a stranger is very dangerous and not very smart. The police need to start making arrests and the A's need to stay inside.
I do feel the Anthony's are in pain but at the same time I also think they are hiding things they know about what has happened to Caylee. I think that is really why they have hired a defense attny and why they woun't submit to a polygraph. I hope I am wrong about this but either way they need to do as their attny asks and stay inside, don't kow this but people that are out at 130 am may have been drinking or doing whatever and it is absurd to confront them with hammers and bats in hand as they could have been taken away and used agianst them. I do not want to see them or anyone hurt.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 12:12 PM
As much as I despise that C&G are not really doing thing [that is visable anyway] to help find Caylee or help LE in other ways I really have to step back and wonder how I would handle this if it were my son or daughter in this situation. I would like to think I would take the right path and do the right things but as a parent I don't know if that is always possible when one of our children is being threatned or hurt or we are in fear of loosing them.
I can remember when my children were small simple things as someone treating them unfairly at even little league and tee-ball created hurt and anger in me. I wanted to jump up and defend them then. That was a simple hurt so I can't imagine something so severe as this. I am really angry at the family but then again I also finding myself realizing I might do the same thing and I would be the one getting the rocks thrown at my house. When fear and protective instinct kicks in, in any situation I don't think we really know what we as parents would do. Just my opinion and love this site. Hugs:girl_haha:
Hi Dega.. another great post...I agree....It's easy to sit here and say "I'd do this or that" but when confronted with the situation...I don't think any of us would really know what we'd do...
LiveLaughLuv
09-18-2008, 12:13 PM
Hi Everyone.
TY Isabella for the video.
I know this is not a popular opinion, but, im in tears after watching this. I really feel sad for George and Cindy. I realise alot of what they have done and said has not been good but that is their home and like it or not this is Casey's HOME until such time as she is arrested or chooses to leave.
Imagine waking in the middle of the night to rocks being thrown at your windows and door, that must be terrifying and they are trying to protect their home and their daughter. Maybe they thought that if they didnt get outside their home quickly to confront these protestors then the protestors may have gotten into their home and thats a far worse prospect.
Those protesters were there for one reason only....to harrass, incite,provoke and get them to come outside, nothing was going to stop them until they got George and Cindy outside. Those protestors need their azzes putting in jail for assault.
George and Cindy are teetering on the edge and if this carrys on every night like the protestors said it would, then it wont surprise me to wake up one morning and read that the Anthony's have all committed suicide. NO-ONE could take this harrassment for this long.
Despite what Casey may or may not have done, it is not George or Cindy's fault and i really feel that this has gone way over the top and has to be stopped before someone gets seriously hurt. Next thing the protestors will be turning up with weapons or guns.
Thanks for listening.
To a point it's not the parents fault.
What they did to anger the public was make all those outlandish excuses for why those test results came back as they did. I'm speaking of the decomposing body in the trunk, saying it could be someone else placed in that car at the tow trunk company. The dead body smell, now turns into rotting pizza. The denial that Caylee is still alive and well while all the evidence LE shared with the public shows different.
It's because they are protecting Casey and forgetting about Caylee.
It's not right that those protesters are now acting like a lynch mob.
It's way past a peaceful protest. Someone has to step in and stop what these people are doing. That I don't agree with.
Isabella
09-18-2008, 12:14 PM
After seeing them with their fingers intertwined and his arm around her shoulder/her's around his waist :friends3: , it is almost like he is picking her up for a date.
(MOO)
I don't understand it. :rolleyes:
I can think of many high profile cases but never seen anything like the relationship between these two, it is weird to say the least.
Isabella
09-18-2008, 12:14 PM
Headline News coming up to show George spraying the protesters...
SongBird
09-18-2008, 12:16 PM
Headline News coming up to show George spraying the protesters...
just more fuel for the fire...I would bet protesters will double in numbers by the end of week...JMO
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:17 PM
just more fuel for the fire...I would bet protesters will double in number by the end of week...JMO
I bet it doubles tonight, they are going to do it before any charges are filed JMO
Isabella
09-18-2008, 12:19 PM
just more fuel for the fire...I would bet protesters will double in numbers by the end of week...JMO
Maybe the Judge will change his mind and make some new rulings and guidelines for the protesters, if not then imo Florida his spending a bunch of money (rightly so) in this case and they may need to keep one patrol car there at all times.
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:23 PM
Link to Sheriff Beary reacting to protesters
http://wdbo.com/
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 12:25 PM
Link to Sheriff Beary reacting to protesters
http://wdbo.com/
nicky can you tell us what he says...my puter won't let me play it...
SongBird
09-18-2008, 12:25 PM
Maybe the Judge will change his mind and make some new rulings and guidelines for the protesters, if not then imo Florida his spending a bunch of money (rightly so) in this case and they may need to keep one patrol car there at all times.
the whole family might be safer in jail at this time..I agree btw, a police car in front of the home would also help this situation out. JMO
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:26 PM
Sheriff: They aren't getting arrested yet because they are misdemeanors
They were there at 12 for 90 minutes got other calls and had to leave then had to come back.
Everyone needs to chill out.
He's hoping HOA can do something.
Trying to get neighborhood money to pay for police out there, it isn't fair to use taxpayers money to stay out there.
Can't use deadly force unless they come in the house. Made after radio announcer said he would have hit them with the bat.
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:27 PM
nicky can you tell us what he says...my puter won't let me play it...
i put part of it, then it stopped playing, don't know what's up with that.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 12:28 PM
Sheriff: They aren't getting arrested yet because they are misdemeanors
They were there at 12 for 90 minutes got other calls and had to leave then had to come back.
Everyone needs to chill out.
He's hoping HOA can do something.
Trying to get neighborhood money to pay for police out there, it isn't fair to use taxpayers money to stay out there.
Can't use deadly force unless they come in the house.
Wow...doesn't sound like LE is willing to help out much...or can't...guess LE will have to wait until someone breaks into the house, or gets seriously injured....
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:30 PM
Wow...doesn't sound like LE is willing to help out much...or can't...guess LE will have to wait until someone breaks into the house, or gets seriously injured....
I don't think they can, the sheriff is very frustrated with the situation. The remark about the house was in reply to the radio guy saying he would have hit them with the bat.
Isabella
09-18-2008, 12:30 PM
Link to Sheriff Beary reacting to protesters
http://wdbo.com/
Cool TY, never been to that radio station, sounds like police is frustrated as well, but really to say 'it is only misdemeanors' kinda sounds like something Baez would say.
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:32 PM
Cool TY, never been to that radio station, sounds like police is frustrated as well.
YW, that's the radio station that the guy NG talks to every night works at. I just happened to remember it today...lol
Faith
09-18-2008, 12:35 PM
Wow...doesn't sound like LE is willing to help out much...or can't...guess LE will have to wait until someone breaks into the house, or gets seriously injured....
It's not fair for the OCSO to provide security. That is the A's job, they chose to get her out. They should hire security or send Casey back to jail for her safety.
JMO
tbrito1
09-18-2008, 12:36 PM
question and I apoligize if it's been discussed, but what do cindy and george do for income? i mean, do they have jobs?
Battnt
09-18-2008, 12:37 PM
Have y'all seen this video?....The reporter says that a spokesperson from TES said look for big developments to come in this case...It's at the end of the video...
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7457774&version=1&locale=EN-US
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:38 PM
It's not fair for the OCSO to provide security. That is the A's job, they chose to get her out. They should hire security or send Casey back to jail for her safety.
JMO
The way Beary was talking, they are trying to work something out with the HOA to pay for officers to be out there. He said it wasn't fair to the tax payers to have to pay for this and that they have other calls they have to go on.
Isabella
09-18-2008, 12:38 PM
Video of George and Cindy Talking to Deputies
http://www.wftv.com/video/17503376/index.html
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:42 PM
There's a lady with a sign on this that says "Give us what we want and we might go away. Choosing not to talk will only make us stay"
http://wdbo.com/news/casey_hoa_denied091708.html
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 12:44 PM
It's not fair for the OCSO to provide security. That is the A's job, they chose to get her out. They should hire security or send Casey back to jail for her safety.
JMO
Faith...I respectfully disagree.....
It's OCSO's job to protect all their citizens.....I keep going back to that fact, that Casey has only been charged with Child Neglect and lying to LE....and the check fraud....
If this how we deal with Casey...what prevents this from happening in another case....Do we now need to have anyone charged with a crime, have to provide their own security and their freedom, because the public feels we're guilty??? Isn't that for a Court of Law to decide if we're innocent or guilty?
Where will it stop??? How about drunk drivers or speeders...mothers who spank their child and are now accused of child abuse...you get the picture....
Again, I'll say, I think that LE should charge Casey with a homicide,but until that happens, I'll defend her right to her freedom and being out on bail, until a Judge claims her quilty...and sentences her to time in prison...
This is one of the strangest cases I've ever heard of...
I understand we are all entitled to our opinions...and as you can see, I'm no shrinking violet on giving mine...LOL
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 12:45 PM
Have y'all seen this video?....The reporter says that a spokesperson from TES said look for big developments to come in this case...It's at the end of the video...
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7457774&version=1&locale=EN-US
Hi Battnt...yeah we saw that video this morning and are puzzled by that statement from TES...
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:46 PM
why are all the suv's outside in the road?
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:46 PM
Dang, it went white...somethings probably happening...lol
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:48 PM
Well, it's back. A minute ago there was a white and black SUV in the screen.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 12:49 PM
There's a lady with a sign on this that says "Give us what we want and we might go away. Choosing not to talk will only make us stay"
http://wdbo.com/news/casey_hoa_denied091708.html
Good golly....
Battnt
09-18-2008, 12:52 PM
Hi Battnt...yeah we saw that video this morning and are puzzled by that statement from TES...
Thanks Trail!...I'm gettin a late start today...LOL....
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 12:53 PM
Posted 09.18.08 - 12:25pm Jim Solomons "Rocks" 9-1-1 Call 9/18/2008 764.03 Download
Posted 09.18.09 - 12:27pm Jim Solomons Disturbance 9-1-1 Call 9/18/2008 5,284.85 Download
http://ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547
Listen to both 911 callss
nicky
09-18-2008, 12:55 PM
Posted 09.18.08 - 12:25pm Jim Solomons "Rocks" 9-1-1 Call 9/18/2008 764.03 Download
Posted 09.18.09 - 12:27pm Jim Solomons Disturbance 9-1-1 Call 9/18/2008 5,284.85 Download
http://ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547
Listen to both 911 callss
TB what do they say, this computer won't let me open those from OCSO
Stacey3772
09-18-2008, 12:56 PM
LOL! That poor guy did not know what he had gotten into when he took on the Anthonys, especially Cindy.
JMO
I agree, as much as cindy has made me mad, you have to give her credit.... she jumped right in there between the George and the protesters when they were pulling on him.
Stacey3772
09-18-2008, 01:01 PM
Just a couple of comments here...
The protesters are not there at the As about Caylee. If they were, we'd be seeing the same ones over and over. Seems there is a new group every day and they are there for some sick thrill they get out of this. JMO of course. I'm very surprised that someone hasn't gotten injured or that one of the As isn't having health problems because of this.
I got sort of irritated with LE when I was listening to the tapes of them interviewing Casey. It was like they would ask her a question or make a statement and before she could answer, or while she was answering, they would interrupt and start asking something completely different. I wanted them to ask a question or make a comment then wait for her response so maybe, just maybe, she would forget her story. Oh well, guess that's why they are the experts.
I just want Caylee found. I want these people who are protesting to get out there and find that baby's body and give her some peace. She's out there somewhere and she needs to be found. I wish I could be there to help search.
The attny for the anthonys said that "their health is failing" when he was on NG. He didnt elaborate, but just said to remember they are victims too. Im sure the stress is wearing them down, especially George. YOu can see it on his face.
In defense of LE, they were using an interrogation tactic, that is also used in hypnosis. You bombard people with too many questions and too many thoughts ... you put so much in their head that they get confused. They cant think straight so they cant "create" new lies or ideas. Thus leaving only the truth.
Its actaully very effective - in most cases.
Faith
09-18-2008, 01:03 PM
The way Beary was talking, they are trying to work something out with the HOA to pay for officers to be out there. He said it wasn't fair to the tax payers to have to pay for this and that they have other calls they have to go on.
Thanks, I still think the burden should be on the A's. JMO
Amusedtdth
09-18-2008, 01:04 PM
George Anthony hoses protestors with water
September 18, 2008
Photos
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/091808protestorshosed/indexGallery.htm
One would surmise that by now they would stop bringing all the attention on themselves and stay the heck in the house. I find the both of them completely insane seeking all this unwanted attention and causing more harm then good.
MOO
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 01:05 PM
TB what do they say, this computer won't let me open those from OCSO
First call is from Cindy...she called when they started throwing stuff at the windows...she said rocks....they had not gone out to confront the protesters at this point....
Second call is from Casey...she told 911 that after it took LE 1/2 to get there for the first incident, they left and now the protesters were back and it was now a physical altercation...and that they needed LE there immediately...She was watching from their security camera...and that Channel 2 was recording everything that happened...lasted about 4 or 5 minutes...for the call...
sarahhod
09-18-2008, 01:05 PM
As much as I despise that C&G are not really doing thing [that is visable anyway] to help find Caylee or help LE in other ways I really have to step back and wonder how I would handle this if it were my son or daughter in this situation. I would like to think I would take the right path and do the right things but as a parent I don't know if that is always possible when one of our children is being threatned or hurt or we are in fear of loosing them.
I can remember when my children were small simple things as someone treating them unfairly at even little league and tee-ball created hurt and anger in me. I wanted to jump up and defend them then. That was a simple hurt so I can't imagine something so severe as this. I am really angry at the family but then again I also finding myself realizing I might do the same thing and I would be the one getting the rocks thrown at my house. When fear and protective instinct kicks in, in any situation I don't think we really know what we as parents would do. Just my opinion and love this site. Hugs:girl_haha:
Excellent post dega ITA. Its that defensive mechanism in you that acts in a manner you wouldnt usually maybe??
nicky
09-18-2008, 01:07 PM
First call is from Cindy...she called when they started throwing stuff at the windows...she said rocks....they had not gone out to confront the protesters at this point....
Second call is from Casey...she told 911 that after it took LE 1/2 to get there for the first incident, they left and now the protesters were back and it was now a physical altercation...and that they needed LE there immediately...She was watching from their security camera...and that Channel 2 was recording everything that happened...lasted about 4 or 5 minutes...for the call...
Thks, I got it to download finally, Casey sounded annoyed at having to call. Remember me telling about the white SUV on the web cam? I wonder if that was them back again?
Faith
09-18-2008, 01:07 PM
Posted 09.18.08 - 12:25pm Jim Solomons "Rocks" 9-1-1 Call 9/18/2008 764.03 Download
Posted 09.18.09 - 12:27pm Jim Solomons Disturbance 9-1-1 Call 9/18/2008 5,284.85 Download
http://ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547
Listen to both 911 callss
arrrrgh, can someone email them to me? I can't download.
nicky
09-18-2008, 01:08 PM
arrrrgh, can someone email them to me? I can't download.
I'm at work, and this computer probably won't let me do it...I had a hard time getting it to download. I'm sorry!:021:
sarahhod
09-18-2008, 01:09 PM
Hi Sarah! I certainly understand how you feel but I still think that for anyone to go outside in the middle of the night and confront a stranger is very dangerous and not very smart. The police need to start making arrests and the A's need to stay inside.
I do feel the Anthony's are in pain but at the same time I also think they are hiding things they know about what has happened to Caylee. I think that is really why they have hired a defense attny and why they woun't submit to a polygraph. I hope I am wrong about this but either way they need to do as their attny asks and stay inside, don't kow this but people that are out at 130 am may have been drinking or doing whatever and it is absurd to confront them with hammers and bats in hand as they could have been taken away and used agianst them. I do not want to see them or anyone hurt.
Yes I can totally see your point of view Isabella. Sometimes we just act instinctively though instead of thinking about it first, sort of like an adrenaline rush?
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 01:09 PM
arrrrgh, can someone email them to me? I can't download.
They are audio downloads...how would we email them to you????
Isabella
09-18-2008, 01:11 PM
TODAY'S UPDATES:
Sheriff's deputies ready to increase presence in Anthonys' neighborhood
12:48 p.m. Orange County Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Solomons said deputies are "making adjustments" to the way they handle calls to the east Orange County neighborhood.
"We are making adjustments in our regular patrol function to what appears to be an escalating situation in that community," Solomons said of the violent confrontation that erupted this morning between the Anthonys and a handful of hecklers.
"This is just nonsense," Solomons said. "I urge everyone to never confront assailants."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-091808,0,5492153.story
sadieblack
09-18-2008, 01:12 PM
Faith...I respectfully disagree.....
It's OCSO's job to protect all their citizens.....I keep going back to that fact, that Casey has only been charged with Child Neglect and lying to LE....and the check fraud....
If this how we deal with Casey...what prevents this from happening in another case....Do we now need to have anyone charged with a crime, have to provide their own security and their freedom, because the public feels we're guilty??? Isn't that for a Court of Law to decide if we're innocent or guilty?
Where will it stop??? How about drunk drivers or speeders...mothers who spank their child and are now accused of child abuse...you get the picture....
Again, I'll say, I think that LE should charge Casey with a homicide,but until that happens, I'll defend her right to her freedom and being out on bail, until a Judge claims her quilty...and sentences her to time in prison...
This is one of the strangest cases I've ever heard of...
I understand we are all entitled to our opinions...and as you can see, I'm no shrinking violet on giving mine...LOL
:hifive: I totally agree.
I haven't said much lately, just reading and watching on TV. This has turned into a lynch mob. The Anthony's do deserve police protection as do their neighbors. What is it going to take before something is done about the protestors.
I was under the impression that the right to protest was to be peaceful and was aimed at our government. Am I wrong, when did it become allowed to protest private citizens at their homes? IMO
:hide:
Faith
09-18-2008, 01:13 PM
They are audio downloads...how would we email them to you????
I guess I would still have to download huh? You would email as an attachment. I guess I will hear them tonight on NG.... thanks
sarahhod
09-18-2008, 01:14 PM
To a point it's not the parents fault.
What they did to anger the public was make all those outlandish excuses for why those test results came back as they did. I'm speaking of the decomposing body in the trunk, saying it could be someone else placed in that car at the tow trunk company. The dead body smell, now turns into rotting pizza. The denial that Caylee is still alive and well while all the evidence LE shared with the public shows different.
It's because they are protecting Casey and forgetting about Caylee.
It's not right that those protesters are now acting like a lynch mob.
It's way past a peaceful protest. Someone has to step in and stop what these people are doing. That I don't agree with.
Again, another great post LiveLaughLuv.
I can understand how you feel and i do agee to a point, i just see total devastation, utter despair and grief in their eyes and body language for the dearest grandchild they deep down know is not alive but just cannot accept it and the fact that their daughter could be involved.
KittyMom
09-18-2008, 01:15 PM
So Casey gripes about LE in her 911 call. Well, guess what princess...LE may've been handling a real emergency at the time...a robbery, a murder, or how about a missing person. Yep, LE has a job to do...in all the neighbohoods of Orlando, not just Hopespring Drive. You want this to end...talk.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 01:15 PM
I guess I would still have to download huh? You would email as an attachment. I guess I will hear them tonight on NG.... thanks
Yeah...you would have to download them...or I would have sent them to you....sorry...
Isabella
09-18-2008, 01:16 PM
Thanks, I still think the burden should be on the A's. JMO
They spent money on that secutity camera for their house, why can't they hire those bodygaurds full time? They could I assume see on the cameras it was ugly out there, they still chose to go out and confront them.
nicky
09-18-2008, 01:18 PM
:hifive:So Casey gripes about LE in her 911 call. Well, guess what princess...LE may've been handling a real emergency at the time...a robbery, a murder, or how about a missing person. Yep, LE has a job to do...in all the neighbohoods of Orlando, not just Hopespring Drive. You want this to end...talk.
Trailblazer
09-18-2008, 01:18 PM
They spent money on that secutity camera for their house, why can't they hire those bodygaurds full time? They could I assume see on the cameras it was ugly out there, they still chose to go out and confront them.
LOL Isabella...security cameras cost maybe a couple hundred bucks...full time bodyguards...whoa....I'm guessing a couple grand a week for full time, if not more....
Isabella
09-18-2008, 01:22 PM
So Casey gripes about LE in her 911 call. Well, guess what princess...LE may've been handling a real emergency at the time...a robbery, a murder, or how about a missing person. Yep, LE has a job to do...in all the neighbohoods of Orlando, not just Hopespring Drive. You want this to end...talk.
Yep :hifive:
Faith
09-18-2008, 01:25 PM
Originally Posted by Trailblazer http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/images/styles/default/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=400081#post400081)
Faith...I respectfully disagree.....
It's OCSO's job to protect all their citizens.....I keep going back to that fact, that Casey has only been charged with Child Neglect and lying to LE....and the check fraud....
If this how we deal with Casey...what prevents this from happening in another case....Do we now need to have anyone charged with a crime, have to provide their own security and their freedom, because the public feels we're guilty??? Isn't that for a Court of Law to decide if we're innocent or guilty?
Where will it stop??? How about drunk drivers or speeders...mothers who spank their child and are now accused of child abuse...you get the picture....
Again, I'll say, I think that LE should charge Casey with a homicide,but until that happens, I'll defend her right to her freedom and being out on bail, until a Judge claims her quilty...and sentences her to time in prison...
This is one of the strangest cases I've ever heard of...
I understand we are all entitled to our opinions...and as you can see, I'm no shrinking violet on giving mine...LOL
See, I do not think it's OCSO's job to stay at the A house 24/7 or even at night or at anyone's house for that matter. This would not be happening if Casey was in jail and the A's chose to get her out without providing security.
As I understand what the Sheriff said, he was trying to get a car out there thru other monies, not tax payer money. To me that says it's not their job.
I think protesters are looking at Caylee is missing and all Casey has done is lie about her whereabouts per the OCSO. No, they should not have a violent protest but it's become that.
I wish they would charge her too but it doesn't look like that's happening anytime soon with LE going to CA tomorrow.
JMO
StoneFox
09-18-2008, 01:27 PM
They spent money on that secutity camera for their house, why can't they hire those bodygaurds full time? They could I assume see on the cameras it was ugly out there, they still chose to go out and confront them.
Excellent point Isabella!!!
They can see what is going on outside from their security cams. They knew before they ever went outside to confront the protesters that they were more aggressive than usual. WHY or WHY won't they stay in the home and let LE take care of it.
Faith
09-18-2008, 01:27 PM
They spent money on that secutity camera for their house, why can't they hire those bodygaurds full time? They could I assume see on the cameras it was ugly out there, they still chose to go out and confront them.
I agree. They chose to get Casey out when they knew beforehand the protesters would be out there. JMO
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