Caylee Marie Anthony Missing 2 year-old Missing since 6/9/08 reported on 7/15/08 #62

[Faith]

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[Trailblazer]

I think because sources say that the chloroform in the trunk of Casey's car was the purest form, I'm guessing she kept her supply in the trunk...somehow is opened up...now could it be possible that something of Caylee's got soaked with it, like clothing or whatever, and when Casey unknown to her, gave it to Caylee and that's when something happened?

I'm still not convinced that Casey harmed Caylee on purpose...

[Stacey3772]

Who was it that saw the Law and Order about the mom that killed her daughter using chloroform? I want to see that episode. Or read the script. Anyone know where i can find it.

[Faith]

I think because sources say that the chloroform in the trunk of Casey's car was the purest form, I'm guessing she kept her supply in the trunk...somehow is opened up...now could it be possible that something of Caylee's got soaked with it, like clothing or whatever, and when Casey unknown to her, gave it to Caylee and that's when something happened?

I'm still not convinced that Casey harmed Caylee on purpose...

I thought about that too. I don't know what to think. At first I didn't think Casey intentionally harmed Caylee but now I'm not sure how I feel.

[mbump2]

Who was it that saw the Law and Order about the mom that killed her daughter using chloroform? I want to see that episode. Or read the script. Anyone know where i can find it.

I watch all the L&O and have not seen that one!

[Stacey3772]

I watch all the L&O and have not seen that one!

someone mentioned it last night, she had just watched it on USA or something. I have to go back and look, but my 2 year old isnt cooperating!

[Stacey3772]

I watch all the L&O and have not seen that one!

oh, hi Bump! didnt see that it was you..:0012:

[mbump2]

I am trying to catch up on all the stuff released... Being down for 2 weeks got me waaaaay behind.

:frustratedf:

[sunstar]

I watch all the L&O and have not seen that one!

It was an episode of SVU that (from what I remember of the posts last night) was originally aired in Oct. 2005 and was called "911". I haven't looked it up though. :shrug1:

[sunstar]

I think because sources say that the chloroform in the trunk of Casey's car was the purest form, I'm guessing she kept her supply in the trunk...somehow is opened up...now could it be possible that something of Caylee's got soaked with it, like clothing or whatever, and when Casey unknown to her, gave it to Caylee and that's when something happened?

I'm still not convinced that Casey harmed Caylee on purpose...

I'm just curious, but why not?

[Stacey3772]

It was an episode of SVU that (from what I remember of the posts last night) was originally aired in Oct. 2005 and was called "911". I haven't looked it up though. :shrug1:

wow, good memory. going to look now.

[awakening2lite]

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[Trailblazer]

I'm just curious, but why not?

From all reports I've read of her friends, and even discounting the family...everyone said that Casey was a good mom...Not a single person has said that she was mean or complained that she had to drag Caylee with her...Yeah, she said that it's tough being a single mom with a child, and it kept her from having fun...but both my DIL's complain about their children and how much work it is...

I'm just not ready to say it was intentional..until I get more facts...

[sciencegirl]

I think because sources say that the chloroform in the trunk of Casey's car was the purest form, I'm guessing she kept her supply in the trunk...somehow is opened up...now could it be possible that something of Caylee's got soaked with it, like clothing or whatever, and when Casey unknown to her, gave it to Caylee and that's when something happened?

I'm still not convinced that Casey harmed Caylee on purpose...

I was never convinced that Casey intentionally hurt Caylee; based solely on those flury of phone calls to C & G. But now that we hear she was searching missing children websites; I'm really starting to wonder. Now; I'm wondering if she did harm her intentionally with the chloroform and was going to go with a the scenario of "Caylee stopped breathing"; therefore, the flury of calls; but when no one answered; she got scared and moved her.

What pizzes me off is; that Caylee had to be in that trunk for days and days for it to smell like it did. Accident or not; why wouldn't she have gotten rid of the body immediately? I don't understand that rationale at all.

[Stacey3772]

found it, but i think its the wrong episode. going to look further:

http://www.tv.com/law-and-order-special-victims-unit/911/episode/504792/summary.html?tag=episode_tabs;overview

[mbump2]

From all reports I've read of her friends, and even discounting the family...everyone said that Casey was a good mom...Not a single person has said that she was mean or complained that she had to drag Caylee with her...Yeah, she said that it's tough being a single mom with a child, and it kept her from having fun...but both my DIL's complain about their children and how much work it is...

I'm just not ready to say it was intentional..until I get more facts...


She said herself that Cindy said she was an unfit mom and that maybe it was true. Wasn't it Lee she told that to?

[Faith]

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Welcome back, friend!!! I am so glad to see you are here, again! We missed YOU!

Thank you, I missed all of you, I"m happy to be back. I'm still reading and catching up.

[sunstar]

From all reports I've read of her friends, and even discounting the family...everyone said that Casey was a good mom...Not a single person has said that she was mean or complained that she had to drag Caylee with her...Yeah, she said that it's tough being a single mom with a child, and it kept her from having fun...but both my DIL's complain about their children and how much work it is...

I'm just not ready to say it was intentional..until I get more facts...

Thank you, and I appreciate your thoughts! :smile: I just can't see her as favorably, maybe because I can't understand how could somebody just throw their child's body away to cover up an accident.

[mbump2]

I think what has really gotten to me from reading what all I have and the interviews I saw of her ex. on Geraldo is she could have had it made. She had at least 2 guys who seemed to care about her (the Jesse and Hawkins) and were more than willing to jump in to be a "good male role model" to Caylee. It seems that all the men she went out with really cared about her and her daughter...

[sciencegirl]

She said herself that Cindy said she was an unfit mom and that maybe it was true. Wasn't it Lee she told that to?

Yes it was. But she has to be pure evil to get rid of her child; just so she can have some freedom and more importantly; that grandma doesn't get her. That's just beyond hateful.

[sunstar]

She said herself that Cindy said she was an unfit mom and that maybe it was true. Wasn't it Lee she told that to?

And yet Cindy said in court she was a "good mother". :shrug1:

[cavimom]

It was an episode of SVU that (from what I remember of the posts last night) was originally aired in Oct. 2005 and was called "911". I haven't looked it up though. :shrug1:
Bearshare or the like... you can download it and watch it pretty quickly...


BTW: :0012: Hi everyone!! I have been caught up in OJ :71526: Is saw some of the tapes with Cindy.. Seems she cant even LISTEN to the police :frustratedf: How come we dont have a transcript of Cindy and George interviews? Or do we? AM I missing it? TYIA!~

[awakening2lite]

She said herself that Cindy said she was an unfit mom and that maybe it was true. Wasn't it Lee she told that to?

And, adding to support that we have Cindy writing and asking the question, who is taking care of her now. Clearly, Cindy was concerned about the well being of Caylee in the hands of Casey.

[mbump2]

Casey's brother Lee told investigators he didn't believe it and Lee said their father, George, was meticulous about keeping their cars clean and he would have noticed it right away. Lee relayed to investigators how Casey started pouring her heart out about the tension between her and their mother over Caylee, starting by quoting Casey as saying "Mom has um, thrown it in my face many times before that I'm an unfit mother and you know, maybe she's right and maybe I am."


http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/Legal-documents-suggest-damaging-evidence-against-Casey/1222269368.html

[Stacey3772]

Anyone know of Casey watched soap operas? I did a tv search for chloroform and almost every soap has a chloroform story line. weird.

http://www.tv.com/search.php?qs=chloroform&type=11&stype=all&tag=search%3Bbutton

[sciencegirl]

Thank you, and I appreciate your thoughts! :smile: I just can't see her as favorably, maybe because I can't understand how could somebody just throw their child's body away to cover up an accident.

I think she felt she had no choice. She would have had to live with Cindy blaming her for that accident for the rest of her life. By concocting the kidnappinig; Cindy couldn't blame her for being irresponsible.

[awakening2lite]

And yet Cindy said in court she was a "good mother". :shrug1:

Cindy seems preoccupied with saving Casey.

[sciencegirl]

And yet Cindy said in court she was a "good mother". :shrug1:

And Cindy also said IIRC in court; that she had talked to Casey every single day while she was missing. I mean; why lie about something that small; in a court of law?

[mbump2]

And Cindy also said IIRC in court; that she had talked to Casey every single day while she was missing. I mean; why lie about something that small; in a court of law?

Cindy has back pedaled more than any polatician I have seen. The smell in the car, Casey's mothering abilities, her thoughts on what happened.

[sunstar]

I think she felt she had no choice. She would have had to live with Cindy blaming her for that accident for the rest of her life. By concocting the kidnappinig; Cindy couldn't blame her for being irresponsible.

I think I'm understanding how her mind could work, that is if it was an accident. I just can't imagine not having any compassion toward your own child or feeling any guilt or grief especially if your own negligence caused their death.

[Lilly]

From all reports I've read of her friends, and even discounting the family...everyone said that Casey was a good mom...Not a single person has said that she was mean or complained that she had to drag Caylee with her...Yeah, she said that it's tough being a single mom with a child, and it kept her from having fun...but both my DIL's complain about their children and how much work it is...

I'm just not ready to say it was intentional..until I get more facts...

TB.. just thinking out loud her.. not disagreeing with you because everyone has said exactly that. I think Casey did a lot of things to keep up appearances. I also think she wanted to be a lot of things that she couldn't pull off because she never learned to work at it and make her own way. When it was easy and convenient she was a good Mom. When it wasn't, she handed Caylee off to whoever would watch her. I think Caylee was more of a responsibility and burden than a blessing and joy. She wanted to be the person who had a nanny and could do whatever she wanted without being tied down. I'm sure she loved Caylee in her own way and took care of her from what people could see, but a lot of what people saw was G & C provided. Cindy says she's an unfit mother and Casey even said it too.
In all the texts I've saw, she only mentioned Caylee a couple of times and it was in reference to not doing something she wanted. She may have played with her daughter, kissed her boo boos, smiled and put on a good face, but I think two and half years of responsibility she didn't want made her snap.

Awhile back I thought it was prob an accident, but now I think she either killed Caylee in a fit of rage, or it was a deliberate act. JMO! If it was an accident I think she would've freaked out.. she would be showing remorse and shame maybe. She didn't love Caylee too much or she would've made sure she had her favorite baby doll wherever she is. She's taking it all in stride. Even some of the worst mother's would be full of pain and anguish if harm came to their children. Casey appears to feel nothing :( She's prepared to take down her family and her friends in this ordeal and she isn't giving in.

JMO.. I'd like to believe it was an accident, but hearing what I've heard, I can't get my brain around that. She reminds me more of Susan Smith than a mother who accidently left her child in a car or something of that sort.

[sunstar]

And Cindy also said IIRC in court; that she had talked to Casey every single day while she was missing. I mean; why lie about something that small; in a court of law?

In many ways, like mother like daughter, imo.

[sciencegirl]

In many ways, like mother like daughter, imo.

Oh; exactly!!! I think Cindy always got what she wanted from George; and Casey learned how to get what she wanted from Cindy by watching Cindy control George.

[sciencegirl]

Here's another thought that I've had. Clearly Casey changed when she met TonE. Dropped all of her friends and started hanging out with his friends and at the Fusion. What did TonE have to offer her that the other men didn't? All of Casey's sexual exploits were probably initiated by Casey. But TonE was different for some reason. I have to believe it's because for the first time; someone pursued her first. TonE said he reached out to her on Facebook. That had to be a special feeling for her; probably one that she had never experienced before. Maybe she was experiencing love for the very first time with TonE; and to pursue this relationship; Caylee was going to get in the way. With the other men; she didn't care about relationships; it was just sex; and she could walk away without giving it a thought.

TonE brought her an exciting life at the Fusion Club; and she supposedly cried when TonE joked about getting a job in NY. I think she was actually falling in love for the first time with him. Wanted to keep him; and needed to clean up her life; which meant getting rid of Caylee. Casey wanted what TonE had to offer, IMO. And she wanted it badly.

Just thinking outloud here.

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Welcome back, friend!!! I am so glad to see you are here, again! We missed YOU!

I second that, Faith.

I was so sorry to hear of the loss of your brother-in-law :frown:

[sciencegirl]

Oh; guess everyone left. Well; nice chatting with all of you today. Thanks for your input. You all have a great evening. :love0085:

[protectkidz]

Here's another thought that I've had. Clearly Casey changed when she met TonE. Dropped all of her friends and started hanging out with his friends and at the Fusion. What did TonE have to offer her that the other men didn't? All of Casey's sexual exploits were probably initiated by Casey. But TonE was different for some reason. I have to believe it's because for the first time; someone pursued her first. TonE said he reached out to her on Facebook. That had to be a special feeling for her; probably one that she had never experienced before. Maybe she was experiencing love for the very first time with TonE; and to pursue this relationship; Caylee was going to get in the way. With the other men; she didn't care about relationships; it was just sex; and she could walk away without giving it a thought.

TonE brought her an exciting life at the Fusion Club; and she supposedly cried when TonE joked about getting a job in NY. I think she was actually falling in love for the first time with him. Wanted to keep him; and needed to clean up her life; which meant getting rid of Caylee. Casey wanted what TonE had to offer, IMO. And she wanted it badly.

Just thinking outloud here.

I think TonE offered a challenge.

I don't think he fell at her feet like so many other guys.

[mbump2]

Here's another thought that I've had. Clearly Casey changed when she met TonE. Dropped all of her friends and started hanging out with his friends and at the Fusion. What did TonE have to offer her that the other men didn't? All of Casey's sexual exploits were probably initiated by Casey. But TonE was different for some reason. I have to believe it's because for the first time; someone pursued her first. TonE said he reached out to her on Facebook. That had to be a special feeling for her; probably one that she had never experienced before. Maybe she was experiencing love for the very first time with TonE; and to pursue this relationship; Caylee was going to get in the way. With the other men; she didn't care about relationships; it was just sex; and she could walk away without giving it a thought.

TonE brought her an exciting life at the Fusion Club; and she supposedly cried when TonE joked about getting a job in NY. I think she was actually falling in love for the first time with him. Wanted to keep him; and needed to clean up her life; which meant getting rid of Caylee. Casey wanted what TonE had to offer, IMO. And she wanted it badly.

Just thinking outloud here.

From what I understand she took on the personality of her "man of the hour".

[sciencegirl]

From what I understand she took on the personality of her "man of the hour".

I understand; but I still think there was something special to Casey about TonE. Enough of something for her to do something to her child. While she may have been searching the internet for months prior to TonE and planning something; TonE put her over the edge (not intentionally) to implement that plan in her sick and dimented mind.

[sunstar]

Oh; guess everyone left. Well; nice chatting with all of you today. Thanks for your input. You all have a great evening. :love0085:

I'm still here! I was just roaming around the other threads that I don't have time to look at weekday evenings. :smile:

[annalyzer]

I understand; but I still think there was something special to Casey about TonE. Enough of something for her to do something to her child. While she may have been searching the internet for months prior to TonE and planning something; TonE put her over the edge (not intentionally) to implement that plan in her sick and dimented mind.


Are there any emails between her and TonE?

[sciencegirl]

I think TonE offered a challenge.

I don't think he fell at her feet like so many other guys.

You may well be right. TonE could have been a challenge for her. I mean when girls like Casey are just giving their bodies away; it means nothing to them at all. I guess what I'm saying is that TonE triggered something in Casey that was not the norm for her.

I should go back and listen to TonE interview. Was their audio available for him?? TIA

[sunstar]

I understand; but I still think there was something special to Casey about TonE. Enough of something for her to do something to her child. While she may have been searching the internet for months prior to TonE and planning something; TonE put her over the edge (not intentionally) to implement that plan in her sick and dimented mind.

I'm thinking he was a "new life" for her, new friends, hanging out at Fusion, everything she wanted to do ~ without Caylee. MOO

[sciencegirl]

Are there any emails between her and TonE?

I'm not sure Anna. Do you know if we have a link for TonE's interview? I think I read it; but not sure I actually listened to it. I want to see how he spoke about her. I mean; within days; she was moved in with him; cooking dinner; doing laundry; cleaning house. I didn't hear that she did that with any of the other guys she dated.

[sciencegirl]

I'm thinking he was a "new life" for her, new friends, hanging out at Fusion, everything she wanted to do ~ without Caylee. MOO

Yup!! I agree. Plus he didn't know the Caylee routines or arrangements and wouldn't question it as much; if she was still with her other friends; who would have wondered where Caylee was.

[Trailblazer]

You may well be right. TonE could have been a challenge for her. I mean when girls like Casey are just giving their bodies away; it means nothing to them at all. I guess what I'm saying is that TonE triggered something in Casey that was not the norm for her.

I should go back and listen to TonE interview. Was their audio available for him?? TIA

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/AnthonyLazzaro072208R.mp3

[chambord]

I think TonE offered a challenge.

I don't think he fell at her feet like so many other guys.

That's what I think too. The conquest of Tony prsented a challenge to Casey. Part of the excitement she so obviously craved, And let's not forget her *DRAMMA* comment,

[sciencegirl]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/AnthonyLazzaro072208R.mp3

Oh thank you Trailblazer!!! Appreciate it very much. I'm off to listen to it right now.

I guess what I'm saying is that a switch went off in Casey's head when she met TonE. I don't think it's a coincidence that Caylee is missing right around the time she becomes involved with TonE

Thank you again. :love0085: BRB...gotta go listen.

[Faith]

I second that, Faith.

I was so sorry to hear of the loss of your brother-in-law :frown:

Thanks, I'm glad to be home.

It's hard to catch up on a weeks worth of news.

[sciencegirl]

That's what I think too. The conquest of Tony prsented a challenge to Casey. Part of the excitement she so obviously craved, And let's not forget her *DRAMMA* comment,

I love your siggy chambord!!! One of my other all time favorite Cindy quotes was "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE". That speaks volumes to me.

[sunstar]

Thanks, I'm glad to be home.

It's hard to catch up on a weeks worth of news.

It sure has been a busy week for reading material!! :6u8ky2o: I'm glad to see you're back too. :love0081:

[Trailblazer]

Oh thank you Trailblazer!!! Appreciate it very much. I'm off to listen to it right now.

I guess what I'm saying is that a switch went off in Casey's head when she met TonE. I don't think it's a coincidence that Caylee is missing right around the time she becomes involved with TonE

Thank you again. :love0085: BRB...gotta go listen.


Here's another link for the audio of Tony L.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17558127/index.html

[chambord]

I love your siggy chambord!!! One of my other all time favorite Cindy quotes was "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE". That speaks volumes to me.

So good to see you posting here SG. I miss the whole live trial crowd, but this case has consumed me like no other.

Yes, my siggy comment from Cindy just blew me away. I had to preserve it. Its a keeper.

[sciencegirl]

Here's another link for the audio of Tony L.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17558127/index.html

Thanks TB. I'm still listening. I pulled up my Windows Calendar and it's so much easier to follow these dates; while they talk and you're looking at a calendar.

[chambord]

Post #965 on this afternoons thread at IS lists a bunch of sites Casey recently joined, ie *Protect the Children*. Baez muxt working it to clean up Casey's image. I'm sure it was his instigation for Casey to sign up.

[emmeblu]

Guess you all saw the OCSO COMPUTER FORENSICS REPORT.

I found this part interesting where it was documented that
Computer Forensic Examiner noted below-

start quote from link
A keyword search for "Zenaida" revealed Web pages indicating that a user
searched the Internet for that name on July 16, 2008. Those entries were
bookmarked under the "Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez" section of this report. end quote from link

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

Sorry if this has been discussed. Wonder if C, G or L could have searched for Zenaida after Casey told her story about the nanny kidnapping. Sorry if this has already been discussed.

[sunstar]

Post #965 on this afternoons thread at IS lists a bunch of sites Casey recently joined, ie *Protect the Children*. Baez muxt working it to clean up Casey's image. I'm sure it was his instigation for Casey to sign up.

OMG ~ this was while she's been on home confinement? :thud2:

[sciencegirl]

Well; I just finished listening to TonE's interview and followed the dates on my windows calendar (you can really follow much better with them when you're looking at a calenard). Anywho; there is no doubt in my mind that something happened to Caylee the week of the 15th. TonE says that Casey couldn't spend the night at all that week; as her mother keeps telling her she has to be at home for Caylee and to come home. Musta been embarrassing for her with her new boytoy!!! Then the very following week; the week of the 22-28; all of a sudden Casey is spending every night at TonE's place. I wonder why he didn't think it odd and question Casey; why all of a sudden; she didn't have to be home at night with Caylee; and was free to spend every night with him for a week.

I found TonE quite credible, IMO.

[emmeblu]

On 7/23/07, mark hawkins <hawkins.md@gmail.com >wrote: oh i can beleive i see it its amazing how cute shes gottin since te last
time i saw her shell be beautiful just like her mother .You have no idea how much ive missed talking to you. i care about you alot
and i hope that maybe this could be something and i only hope that i can be an amazing male role model for your daughter
end

Sounds like mark hawkins really, really cared about Casey, baby and all. Another lucky guy that Casey just moved on!

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

[sunstar]

On 7/23/07, mark hawkins <hawkins.md@gmail.com >wrote: oh i can beleive i see it its amazing how cute shes gottin since te last
time i saw her shell be beautiful just like her mother .You have no idea how much ive missed talking to you. i care about you alot
and i hope that maybe this could be something and i only hope that i can be an amazing male role model for your daughter
end

Sounds like mark hawkins really, really cared about Casey, baby and all. Another lucky guy that Casey just moved on!

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf
What he wrote is really sad, thinking that Caylee's likely gone and could've been loved so much. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[sunstar]

Well; I just finished listening to TonE's interview and followed the dates on my windows calendar (you can really follow much better with them when you're looking at a calenard). Anywho; there is no doubt in my mind that something happened to Caylee the week of the 15th. TonE says that Casey couldn't spend the night at all that week; as her mother keeps telling her she has to be at home for Caylee and to come home. Musta been embarrassing for her with her new boytoy!!! Then the very following week; the week of the 22-28; all of a sudden Casey is spending every night at TonE's place. I wonder why he didn't think it odd and question Casey; why all of a sudden; she didn't have to be home at night with Caylee; and was free to spend every night with him for a week.

I found TonE quite credible, IMO.
So I wonder where she really was during the night that week? I do believe Caylee's been gone since the 16th, but where was her body, and where was Casey staying at night? If she was back at her parents' house, wouldn't that contradict what George said?

[Harmony]

Guess you all saw the OCSO COMPUTER FORENSICS REPORT.

I found this part interesting where it was documented that
Computer Forensic Examiner noted below-

start quote from link
A keyword search for "Zenaida" revealed Web pages indicating that a user
searched the Internet for that name on July 16, 2008. Those entries were
bookmarked under the "Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez" section of this report. end quote from link

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

Sorry if this has been discussed. Wonder if C, G or L could have searched for Zenaida after Casey told her story about the nanny kidnapping. Sorry if this has already been discussed.

I was a little confused with those dates on the computer forensics report.

I wondered because I found what Mr. Grund had to say very interesting:

GRUND: I never saw her or spoke to her, but I did hear of her. I heard of her in April of `06, when Casey lost her regular baby-sitter. As I said, Jesse would watch her. I would watch her. She tried to get my high-school-age son to watch her, which meant I watched her because I have an office in my home.

Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named...


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html

[Texas53]

I was a little confused with those dates on the computer forensics report.

I wondered because I found what Mr. Grund had to say very interesting:

GRUND: I never saw her or spoke to her, but I did hear of her. I heard of her in April of `06, when Casey lost her regular baby-sitter. As I said, Jesse would watch her. I would watch her. She tried to get my high-school-age son to watch her, which meant I watched her because I have an office in my home.

Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named...


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html


So since April 2006, Mr. Grund heard the name Zanny, but not Zenaida. Because if that's the case when she fell over Zenaida, that gave her another way to spin her web of lies about the nanny's name. JMHO

[Trailblazer]

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[mollybrown]

So since April 2006, Mr. Grund heard the name Zanny, but not Zenaida. Because if that's the case when she fell over Zenaida, that gave her another way to spin her web of lies about the nanny's name. JMHO
Hi All, :love0085:

I also wonder IF casey has known zanny for 4 years (as she has stated), why would she need a referal from Jeff Hopkins because she had already known her for two years BEFORE she needed a nanny? :groan:

This case has me going :francis::lex_10::francis::lex_10::francis:

[mollybrown]

Webcam back up

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

I think it's stuck again, because it hould be DARK in FL by now, 8:00pm. :0009:

[Trailblazer]

I think it's stuck again, because it hould be DARK in FL by now, 8:00pm. :0009:

You're right...oh well...forget it....LOL

[sunstar]

Hi All, :love0085:

I also wonder IF casey has known zanny for 4 years (as she has stated), why would she need a referal from Jeff Hopkins because she had already known her for two years BEFORE she needed a nanny? :groan:

This case has me going :francis::lex_10::francis::lex_10::francis:

Hi molly! Yes, that's a very good point! I agree, too many stories, dates, names and LIES! :thud2:

[Texas53]

Hi All, :love0085:

I also wonder IF casey has known zanny for 4 years (as she has stated), why would she need a referal from Jeff Hopkins because she had already known her for two years BEFORE she needed a nanny? :groan:

This case has me going :francis::lex_10::francis::lex_10::francis:

If I'm not mistaken, the only name anyone ever heard Casey call the babysitter was Zanny. She never came out with Zaneida until this June or July, near the time it was discovered by her parents the child had been missing for 31 days. There is a book that she got the name Zanny from. She didn't know a Zenaida at all.

Wasn't it confirmed that Jeff didn't have any kids?

[annalyzer]

You're right...oh well...forget it....LOL

Same shot as late last night.

[Faith]

For the last week have there been protesters? What about the body guards and the Guardian Angels, are they still patrolling the house?

[mollybrown]

If I'm not mistaken, the only name anyone ever heard Casey call the babysitter was Zanny. She never came out with Zaneida until this June or July, near the time it was discovered by her parents the child had been missing for 31 days. There is a book that she got the name Zanny from. She didn't know a Zenaida at all.

Wasn't it confirmed that Jeff didn't have any kids?

WAAAAA I :6u8ky2o: and I :INhouseReading04: and the more I do the less I know. IIRC it has been confirmed that Jeff had no son at the time, YET, casey can even come up with a name for his phantom son. :groan:

[annalyzer]

For the last week have there been protesters? What about the body guards and the Guardian Angels, are they still patrolling the house?


Hi Faith. So glad to see you back. I haven't looked at the cam shot lately until last night and there was the same image that is there now.

[Faith]

Hi Faith. So glad to see you back. I haven't looked at the cam shot lately until last night and there was the same image that is there now.


Thank you. I'm glad to be back.

[Texas53]

WAAAAA I :6u8ky2o: and I :INhouseReading04: and the more I do the less I know. IIRC it has been confirmed that Jeff had no son at the time, YET, casey can even come up with a name for his phantom son. :groan:

I have noticed lately when I start going over this case or reading, I get a headache. At first I thought it was a sinus headache. Now I think its just TMI to have to deal with.

[Trailblazer]

I have noticed lately when I start going over this case or reading, I get a headache. At first I thought it was a sinus headache. Now I think its just TMI to have to deal with.

Oh Texas I agree...after each release of docs...I get a terrible headache...I know it's from reading and trying to understand it all....

[Faith]

I have noticed lately when I start going over this case or reading, I get a headache. At first I thought it was a sinus headache. Now I think its just TMI to have to deal with.

I know what you mean. I am listening to the recordings now and reading at the same time desperately trying to catch up. I'm so confused. :francis:

[sunstar]

I know what you mean. I am listening to the recordings now and reading at the same time desperately trying to catch up. I'm so confused. :francis:

It is very :smiley_aasg: because Casey (and family for that matter) has told so many different stories and everybody's statements seem to contradict them. MOO

[Texas53]

It is very :smiley_aasg: because Casey (and family for that matter) has told so many different stories and everybody's statements seem to contradict them. MOO


I think if they had a reality show called Family of Liars, the A's would win (all of them) hands down. JMHO

At times I feel Casey is lost forever because no one in that family, especially her own mother will tell the truth. Its bad enough the truth may never be known. But worse, the child won't have a proper burial. JMHO IMO

[Jute]

Who was it that saw the Law and Order about the mom that killed her daughter using chloroform? I want to see that episode. Or read the script. Anyone know where i can find it.

The episode is called "911," it was on last night. Can't find a full video, but this clip shows the detectives digging the little girl out of the ground - she had been buried by the child pornographer who had her. No speaking - music sound track. The dig her out right near the end, about 5 min.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itlbxxvITK4

Another one - 4:40 is the scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q51VQmsgdcM&feature=related

[F~M]

Here's another thought that I've had. Clearly Casey changed when she met TonE. Dropped all of her friends and started hanging out with his friends and at the Fusion. What did TonE have to offer her that the other men didn't? All of Casey's sexual exploits were probably initiated by Casey. But TonE was different for some reason. I have to believe it's because for the first time; someone pursued her first. TonE said he reached out to her on Facebook. That had to be a special feeling for her; probably one that she had never experienced before. Maybe she was experiencing love for the very first time with TonE; and to pursue this relationship; Caylee was going to get in the way. With the other men; she didn't care about relationships; it was just sex; and she could walk away without giving it a thought.

TonE brought her an exciting life at the Fusion Club; and she supposedly cried when TonE joked about getting a job in NY. I think she was actually falling in love for the first time with him. Wanted to keep him; and needed to clean up her life; which meant getting rid of Caylee. Casey wanted what TonE had to offer, IMO. And she wanted it badly.

Just thinking outloud here.

This absolutely makes sense.

I was feeling that Caylee's death was an accidental death (If she's dead). But with all of this info coming out this week, I feel like it was intentional. :(

[Jute]

CSI episode on Spike right now - woman faked a kidnapping, got in trunk, took Benzodiazepines and wrapped scarf around her mouth. Choked and died.

Benzodiazepines with a longer duration of action are utilized to treat insomnia in patients with daytime anxiety. These benzodiazepines include alprazolam (Xanax®), chlordiazepoxide (librium®), clorazepate (Tranxene®), diazepam (Valium®, halazepam (Paxipam®), lorzepam (Ativan®), oxazepam (Serax®), prazepam (Centrax®), and quazepam (Doral®). Clonazepam (Klonopin®), diazepam, and clorazepate are also used as anticonvulsants.

[AmyE]

Casey Anthony, wearing an electronic monitor on her left ankle Aug. 28 loses one of her sandals as she makes a dash into her attorney's office in Kissimmee.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/mrseden2004/Casey%20Anthony%20Case/CaseyLosesShoe.jpg

[chambord]

OT Larry King is doing a repeat of a Paul Newman interview.

[mbump2]

I was a little confused with those dates on the computer forensics report.

I wondered because I found what Mr. Grund had to say very interesting:

GRUND: I never saw her or spoke to her, but I did hear of her. I heard of her in April of `06, when Casey lost her regular baby-sitter. As I said, Jesse would watch her. I would watch her. She tried to get my high-school-age son to watch her, which meant I watched her because I have an office in my home.

Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named...


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html

I was just watching that. I just can not imagine how not a single person could know who really kept that baby. I am a teacher, a job that pretty much has set hours, but have still had things come up where I had to have my mom or dad or even in-laws pick up my kid(s) when they were in daycare. Heck, once I even had to have my neighbor pick my son up. So did this "Nanny" not have set hours, could Casey just pick her up whenever? I have never know of a sitter like that. It sounds like she was more of a home daycare than a nanny b/c Casey said something about her (ZannY) not having her boyfriend around Caylee or "any of the other kids". Did she watch more than just Caylee at once? If so then she had to register/be lic. with the state.

[chambord]

Casey Anthony, wearing an electronic monitor on her left ankle Aug. 28 loses one of her sandals as she makes a dash into her attorney's office in Kissimmee.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/mrseden2004/Casey%20Anthony%20Case/CaseyLosesShoe.jpg

I wonder what she has in that backpack. Looks pretty stuffed.

[Jute]

I think I'm understanding how her mind could work, that is if it was an accident. I just can't imagine not having any compassion toward your own child or feeling any guilt or grief especially if your own negligence caused their death.

If it was an accident, how could a mother dispose of her child's body in what had to have been a horrible manner?

[sunstar]

I think if they had a reality show called Family of Liars, the A's would win (all of them) hands down. JMHO

At times I feel Casey is lost forever because no one in that family, especially her own mother will tell the truth. Its bad enough the truth may never be known. But worse, the child won't have a proper burial. JMHO IMO
I'm sure you meant Caylee, and I agree ~ and that's exactly why I can't see an accidental death. If a person is cold hearted enough not to want to bury their child even after the child died accidentally but disposes of them like trash, or whatnot, and lies to cover it up, they're cold enough to kill them intentionally, imo.

[sunstar]

If it was an accident, how could a mother dispose of her child's body in what had to have been a horrible manner?

I swear I didn't see this when I replied to Texas' post! GMTA! :smile:

[Jute]

TB.. just thinking out loud her.. not disagreeing with you because everyone has said exactly that. I think Casey did a lot of things to keep up appearances. I also think she wanted to be a lot of things that she couldn't pull off because she never learned to work at it and make her own way. When it was easy and convenient she was a good Mom. When it wasn't, she handed Caylee off to whoever would watch her. I think Caylee was more of a responsibility and burden than a blessing and joy. She wanted to be the person who had a nanny and could do whatever she wanted without being tied down. I'm sure she loved Caylee in her own way and took care of her from what people could see, but a lot of what people saw was G & C provided. Cindy says she's an unfit mother and Casey even said it too.
In all the texts I've saw, she only mentioned Caylee a couple of times and it was in reference to not doing something she wanted. She may have played with her daughter, kissed her boo boos, smiled and put on a good face, but I think two and half years of responsibility she didn't want made her snap.

Awhile back I thought it was prob an accident, but now I think she either killed Caylee in a fit of rage, or it was a deliberate act. JMO! If it was an accident I think she would've freaked out.. she would be showing remorse and shame maybe. She didn't love Caylee too much or she would've made sure she had her favorite baby doll wherever she is. She's taking it all in stride. Even some of the worst mother's would be full of pain and anguish if harm came to their children. Casey appears to feel nothing :( She's prepared to take down her family and her friends in this ordeal and she isn't giving in.

JMO.. I'd like to believe it was an accident, but hearing what I've heard, I can't get my brain around that. She reminds me more of Susan Smith than a mother who accidently left her child in a car or something of that sort.

Good post, Lilly. The baby doll is one of the biggest red flags for me, too. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[AmyE]

I was just watching that. I just can not imagine how not a single person could know who really kept that baby. I am a teacher, a job that pretty much has set hours, but have still had things come up where I had to have my mom or dad or even in-laws pick up my kid(s) when they were in daycare. Heck, once I even had to have my neighbor pick my son up. So did this "Nanny" not have set hours, could Casey just pick her up whenever? I have never know of a sitter like that. It sounds like she was more of a home daycare than a nanny b/c Casey said something about her (ZannY) not having her boyfriend around Caylee or "any of the other kids". Did she watch more than just Caylee at once? If so then she had to register/be lic. with the state.

So, if she did have a lic. to daycare could that be why Casey said to check her lic. in different states? Or was she referring to a driver lic.? Sorry, I am lost!

[Faith]

It is very :smiley_aasg: because Casey (and family for that matter) has told so many different stories and everybody's statements seem to contradict them. MOO

You can tell they are protecting Casey. That's what makes me ill.

[mbump2]

The episode is called "911," it was on last night. Can't find a full video, but this clip shows the detectives digging the little girl out of the ground - she had been buried by the child pornographer who had her. No speaking - music sound track. The dig her out right near the end, about 5 min.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itlbxxvITK4

Another one - 4:40 is the scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q51VQmsgdcM&feature=related


OK, is this the one where they girl called 911 and spoke to Olivia for most of the show... I am trying to think of the use of chloroform in it.

[Isabella]

Hi All, :love0085:

I also wonder IF casey has known zanny for 4 years (as she has stated), why would she need a referal from Jeff Hopkins because she had already known her for two years BEFORE she needed a nanny? :groan:

This case has me going :francis::lex_10::francis::lex_10::francis:
Excellent question! You are so right, Casey didn't think that answer (lie) out very well.

[chambord]

I just read elsewhere that withdrawal from Xanax can cause seizures. Can that be the reason Casey had one when Jesse took her to the ER?

And when did this Eric James Baker come into this case?

[sunstar]

CSI episode on Spike right now - woman faked a kidnapping, got in trunk, took Benzodiazepines and wrapped scarf around her mouth. Choked and died.

Benzodiazepines with a longer duration of action are utilized to treat insomnia in patients with daytime anxiety. These benzodiazepines include alprazolam (Xanax®), chlordiazepoxide (librium®), clorazepate (Tranxene®), diazepam (Valium®, halazepam (Paxipam®), lorzepam (Ativan®), oxazepam (Serax®), prazepam (Centrax®), and quazepam (Doral®). Clonazepam (Klonopin®), diazepam, and clorazepate are also used as anticonvulsants.

I really am starting to believe Casey watched these tv shows to get ideas on how to get rid of Caylee. :frown: It's sad because I like to watch them, but not for those reasons! MOO

[AmyE]

I wonder what she has in that backpack. Looks pretty stuffed.

Proabaly her laptop, hair brush, make-up, pizza (rotten), J/K

I don't know but sure is alot of stuff in there. JMO

[mollybrown]

The episode is called "911," it was on last night. Can't find a full video, but this clip shows the detectives digging the little girl out of the ground - she had been buried by the child pornographer who had her. No speaking - music sound track. The dig her out right near the end, about 5 min.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itlbxxvITK4

Another one - 4:40 is the scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q51VQmsgdcM&feature=related

WOW Jute, thanks for the links. I love L & A but that was one of my most favorite epi's ever. Thanks again. :tender::friends3::1222423:

[Isabella]

You can tell they are protecting Casey. That's what makes me ill.
I agree and after the Casey was driving Cindy's car story that she seems to have forgot I wonder if it is protecting or more than that, maybe more like cover up? I mean come on, how do you forget that Casey had access to your car keys and took your car, and either Cindy was at work that day or not. There is something weird going on, I just don't know what it is yet.

[sunstar]

I wonder what she has in that backpack. Looks pretty stuffed.

She goes to her lawyer's office in those short shorts, and carrying an overstuffed backpack. Hmmmmm :waitasec:

[mbump2]

So, if she did have a lic. to daycare could that be why Casey said to check her lic. in different states? Or was she referring to a driver lic.? Sorry, I am lost!


I do not know if all states require you to be lic. for daycare, but with FL. you go through DCF and must renew yearly. I would think she was talking about drivers lic. But I would like to know if she was watching other peoples kids (pretending she is real) and if so was she registered with DCF. The law is that if you watch more than 1 child from different famalies that you must be reg/lic with DCF.

[Jute]

Web cam might be up - there was a different location on this one earlier; it's not dark in this shot, though.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

[sunstar]

You can tell they are protecting Casey. That's what makes me ill.

Just another odd thing about this case. Only parents who have some kind of guilt of their own would be so protective of a daughter who probably killed their grandchild. MOO

[Isabella]

Proabaly her laptop, hair brush, make-up, pizza (rotten), J/K

I don't know but sure is alot of stuff in there. JMO
And don't forget the 'brownies' maybe that's why Baez is always grinning? :wink: LOL

[AmyE]

I do not know if all states require you to be lic. for daycare, but with FL. you go through DCF and must renew yearly. I would think she was talking about drivers lic. But I would like to know if she was watching other peoples kids (pretending she is real) and if so was she registered with DCF. The law is that if you watch more than 1 child from different famalies that you must be reg/lic with DCF.

Oh ok... hmmm... I am now wanting to know this too. Thanks for bringing this up.

[DeeJay]

Computer Evidence Shows Casey Searched For Missing Child Websites


She didn't find this one [HFTM], did she? :71526:

[AmyE]

And don't forget the 'brownies' maybe that's why Baez is always grinning? :wink: LOL

Yeah.. we dang sure can't forget that one.... :girl_haha:

[AmyE]

Computer Evidence Shows Casey Searched For Missing Child Websites


She didn't find this one [HFTM], did she? :71526:

nope, missingkids.com

[chambord]

Sorry for the OT again. I had forgotten that Paul Newman lost his son when he was only 27 yrs. old. :1222423:

[sunstar]

I do not know if all states require you to be lic. for daycare, but with FL. you go through DCF and must renew yearly. I would think she was talking about drivers lic. But I would like to know if she was watching other peoples kids (pretending she is real) and if so was she registered with DCF. The law is that if you watch more than 1 child from different famalies that you must be reg/lic with DCF.

And back to your other post along these lines, what daycare provider/babysitter takes the children out of town to the beach or wherever for days on end? What mother leaves her child with this 'nanny' without leaving the child's favorite toy (doll) with them ~ a toy the child can't be without? :lex_10:

[mollybrown]

Sorry for the OT again. I had forgotten that Paul Newman lost his son when he was only 27 yrs. old. :1222423:

Hi Cham, I've been catching up on the life and times of Paul, also. Here is a great statement released by his daughter. :love0081: and not just because of his eyes.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hLWLyQE5-YLWP1DKtDYHdUCb_sUgD93FA8RO1

[chambord]

I do not know if all states require you to be lic. for daycare, but with FL. you go through DCF and must renew yearly. I would think she was talking about drivers lic. But I would like to know if she was watching other peoples kids (pretending she is real) and if so was she registered with DCF. The law is that if you watch more than 1 child from different famalies that you must be reg/lic with DCF.

I doubt a lix. ia required when your only the figment of someone's (Casey) imagination. I noticed she throws out the *nanny* to impress her friends. C & G never heard a word about this Zanny, nor Lee, till after Caylee disappeared.

[mollybrown]

And back to your other post along these lines, what daycare provider/babysitter takes the children out of town to the beach or wherever for days on end? What mother leaves her child with this 'nanny' without leaving the child's favorite toy (doll) with them ~ a toy the child can't be without? :lex_10:

TBH sunstar, I don't think that anything that the anthonys do is any where with in the spectrum of NORMAL. These people are so far off the scale they can't see the scale. As much as I have to have CAYLEE brought home to rest in peace. I really want this family to just get arrested and go AWAY. What with another grandchild coming into the picture, I'm assuming that cindy already HAS A PLAN for this new child. :000a1:

[DeeJay]

I'm thinking he was a "new life" for her, new friends, hanging out at Fusion, everything she wanted to do ~ without Caylee. MOO

That's right.....Per TonE's LE interview, Casey had to
cancel on some parties b/c mom Cindy told her she
had to get her butt home and care for Caylee.

Cindy also had told Casey, on more than one occasion,
she couldn't have a sleepover at TL's b/c Caylee
needed Casey home.

Well, I'd say Cindy was right in those respects, she had
a job and had to go to work....Early to bed and early to
rise....unlike Casey w/out a job, wanted to stay up all
hours of the night and sleep until noon.

[sunstar]

And don't forget the 'brownies' maybe that's why Baez is always grinning? :wink: LOL

Another thing I thought of after seeing the photo of her going to his office, doesn't he have any office staff or other lawyers with him? Her attire just seems so out of place along with the time she spends at his office. MOO

[Jute]

On 7/23/07, mark hawkins <hawkins.md@gmail.com >wrote: oh i can beleive i see it its amazing how cute shes gottin since te last
time i saw her shell be beautiful just like her mother .You have no idea how much ive missed talking to you. i care about you alot
and i hope that maybe this could be something and i only hope that i can be an amazing male role model for your daughter
end

Sounds like mark hawkins really, really cared about Casey, baby and all. Another lucky guy that Casey just moved on!

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

:1187603408.CR.Mothe Two men who seem to be good people wanted so badly to be a good daddy for Caylee. She was so loved.

[mbump2]

Computer Evidence Shows Casey Searched For Missing Child Websites


She didn't find this one [HFTM], did she? :71526:

May be a good thing if she did. Maybe once she realizes that she has not fooled anyone at all she will end her game.

Then again she might just be one of us. :francis:

[Isabella]

Casey Anthony has been cleared to speak with Baez on Saturday between 9 a.m. and 4 p.m

It probably took all 7 hours today to go over all those documents.
I can picture Baez just taking in all the lies and believing them to. :thud2:

[Jute]

So since April 2006, Mr. Grund heard the name Zanny, but not Zenaida. Because if that's the case when she fell over Zenaida, that gave her another way to spin her web of lies about the nanny's name. JMHO

If Zanny came before Zenaida, that would explain why the nickname is spelled with an A rather than an E - maybe there wasn't a reasonable possibility that started with ZA_____?

[chambord]

Hi Cham, I've been catching up on the life and times of Paul, also. Here is a great statement released by his daughter. :love0081: and not just because of his eyes.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hLWLyQE5-YLWP1DKtDYHdUCb_sUgD93FA8RO1

What a lovely family. I loved Robert Redford's words. My life and this country has been better due to Paul Newman being in it.

[DeeJay]

nope, missingkids.com

But she still has time to find us.....She does have access
to computers and all the time in the world.......for
a while.

Now that Baez has encouraged her to join missing children
sites.

Be on the watchout for trolls......:hide:

:girl_haha:

[Jute]

Hi All, :love0085:

I also wonder IF casey has known zanny for 4 years (as she has stated), why would she need a referal from Jeff Hopkins because she had already known her for two years BEFORE she needed a nanny? :groan:

This case has me going :francis::lex_10::francis::lex_10::francis:

:67302: Good catch, MB!!

[mollybrown]

Casey Anthony has been cleared to speak with Baez on Saturday between 9 a.m. and 4 p.m

It probably took all 7 hours today to go over all those documents.
I can picture Baez just taking in all the lies and believing them to. :thud2:

OR, OR, OR, Putting her feet to the fire and telling her the TRUTH.


Her azz is grass and she needs to fess up and take a PLEE. :a1chic:

[sunstar]

That's right.....Per TonE's LE interview, Casey had to
cancel on some parties b/c mom Cindy told her she
had to get her butt home and care for Caylee.

Cindy also had told Casey, on more than one occasion,
she couldn't have a sleepover at TL's b/c Caylee
needed Casey home.

Well, I'd say Cindy was right in those respects, she had
a job and had to go to work....Early to bed and early to
rise....unlike Casey w/out a job, wanted to stay up all
hours of the night and sleep until noon.

I also don't think it's right for Casey or anybody to be sleeping over at the boyfriend's apartment with her 2 y/o daughter there too. I wonder if Cindy knew about Ricardo's story of having Caylee in bed with him and Casey, before Caylee disappeared? :shrug1:

[AmyE]

TBH sunstar, I don't think that anything that the anthonys do is any where with in the spectrum of NORMAL. These people are so far off the scale they can't see the scale. As much as I have to have CAYLEE brought home to rest in peace. I really want this family to just get arrested and go AWAY. What with another grandchild coming into the picture, I'm assuming that cindy already HAS A PLAN for this new child. :000a1:


What?????

[DeeJay]

May be a good thing if she did. Maybe once she realizes that she has not fooled anyone at all she will end her game.

Then again she might just be one of us. :francis:

Nah....we would have spotted her by now. :s1gyahoo:

[mbump2]

That's right.....Per TonE's LE interview, Casey had to
cancel on some parties b/c mom Cindy told her she
had to get her butt home and care for Caylee.

Cindy also had told Casey, on more than one occasion,
she couldn't have a sleepover at TL's b/c Caylee
needed Casey home.

Well, I'd say Cindy was right in those respects, she had
a job and had to go to work....Early to bed and early to
rise....unlike Casey w/out a job, wanted to stay up all
hours of the night and sleep until noon.


So if Casey was having sleep overs with men then going to work why did G or C not ever have to take Caylee to the sitter? I just do not get how Casey lived the life she did but was always able to pick up/drop off Caylee.

[Jute]

If I'm not mistaken, the only name anyone ever heard Casey call the babysitter was Zanny. She never came out with Zaneida until this June or July, near the time it was discovered by her parents the child had been missing for 31 days. There is a book that she got the name Zanny from. She didn't know a Zenaida at all.

Wasn't it confirmed that Jeff didn't have any kids?

Jeff doesn't have a son, nor had he ever heard of Zenaida/Zanny. But, IIRC, Cindy confirmed Casey's story that Casey had known Z for 4 years and she babysat Caylee for the past year and a half. JMO

[sunstar]

But she still has time to find us.....She does have access
to computers and all the time in the world.......for
a while.

Now that Baez has encouraged her to join missing children
sites.

Be on the watchout for trolls......:hide:

:girl_haha:

Since it's basically the same group of us posting here all the time it'll be really easy to spot a newbie ~ especially one who will probably proclaim Casey's innocence!! :girl_haha:

[mollybrown]

What a lovely family. I loved Robert Redford's words. My life and this country has been better due to Paul Newman being in it.


and this one from George Clooney

Home / News / Local / Conn.
Appreciation: Newman was among rare breed of star
By Christy Lemire
AP Movie Critic / September 27, 2008
Email| Print| Single Page| Yahoo! Buzz| ShareThisText size – + snipped......


Clooney himself seemed to recognize the legacy Newman left in reacting to his death Saturday morning: "He set the bar too high for the rest of us ... not just actors, but all of us. He will be greatly missed," he said

[Isabella]

Another thing I thought of after seeing the photo of her going to his office, doesn't he have any office staff or other lawyers with him? Her attire just seems so out of place along with the time she spends at his office. MOO
I agree but Casey does what Casey wants, who ties up a tee shirt of their missing child to make a fashion statement? geez

[mbump2]

But she still has time to find us.....She does have access
to computers and all the time in the world.......for
a while.

Now that Baez has encouraged her to join missing children
sites.

Be on the watchout for trolls......:hide:

:girl_haha:


Well you know she has sat and googled her and Caylee's names and missing children. There is always the chance she has stumbled across us. Very likely in fact.

[DeeJay]

I also don't think it's right for Casey or anybody to be sleeping over at the boyfriend's apartment with her 2 y/o daughter there too. I wonder if Cindy knew about Ricardo's story of having Caylee in bed with him and Casey, before Caylee disappeared? :shrug1:

Couldn't agree more....Me? I'd not bothered to call...I'd
been finding out where the boyfriend lived and driven
over with child in tow and drug my kid outta there by
the hair of her head!


(Even tho I don't have a daughter.)

[AmyE]

But she still has time to find us.....She does have access
to computers and all the time in the world.......for
a while.

Now that Baez has encouraged her to join missing children
sites.

Be on the watchout for trolls......:hide:

:girl_haha:

:67302: :71526: :a1chic:

[mbump2]

I agree but Casey does what Casey wants, who ties up a tee shirt of their missing child to make a fashion statement? geez

Oh...Do NOT get me started on her wearing the T-shirt and dog tag. She has NO RIGHT what so ever to defile Caylees image in that manner. It irks me to no end everytime I see her in that. :madranting94dp:

[sunstar]

Jeff doesn't have a son, nor had he ever heard of Zenaida/Zanny. But, IIRC, Cindy confirmed Casey's story that Casey had known Z for 4 years and she babysat Caylee for the past year and a half. JMO

How could she confirm anything when she claims she never met "Z". She'd only be repeating what Casey told her ~ hearsay! MOO :smile:

[mollybrown]

What?????

You mean "WHAT?" who's having a baby?

IIRC Lee and his girl friend are preggers. But, maybe I dreamt that. :francis:

[DeeJay]

Well you know she has sat and googled her and Caylee's names and missing children. There is always the chance she has stumbled across us. Very likely in fact.

I found this site a few times right off the bat using
Yahoo search engine.

(I had changed computers and didn't bother to look
HFTM on the old one.)

[sunstar]

I agree but Casey does what Casey wants, who ties up a tee shirt of their missing child to make a fashion statement? geez

She shouldn't be wearing that shirt in the first place, in my opinion! :mad:

[Trailblazer]

You mean "WHAT?" who's having a baby?

IIRC Lee and his girl friend are preggers. But, maybe I dreamt that. :francis:

Molly ...you must have dreamt that...I have never heard or read that anywhere...please tell me you dreamt that...I can't handle another surprise...LOL

[Jute]

I swear I didn't see this when I replied to Texas' post! GMTA! :smile:

We both have tender hearts and concern for Caylee. :love0081:

[mbump2]

You mean "WHAT?" who's having a baby?

IIRC Lee and his girl friend are preggers. But, maybe I dreamt that. :francis:

I had not heard that either but then I have been living the "high" life on pain killers the past few weeks. :shrug1:

[mollybrown]

Well you know she has sat and googled her and Caylee's names and missing children. There is always the chance she has stumbled across us. Very likely in fact.

I'm SURE she LEFT, like the road runner. brrrrrrrrroom :a1chic:

[AmyE]

You mean "WHAT?" who's having a baby?

IIRC Lee and his girl friend are preggers. But, maybe I dreamt that. :francis:


OMGosh, I didn't hear that... maybe I was dreaming. :shrug1:

[mollybrown]

Molly ...you must have dreamt that...I have never heard or read that anywhere...please tell me you dreamt that...I can't handle another surprise...LOL

Well I could go and look, BUT, I thought I read at >>>>>>>> ewwwww, that they had a confirmation. :groan::0009::a1chic:

Sorry, long day at work and I'm beat, I will try to find the link on a better day.

[Jute]

OK, is this the one where they girl called 911 and spoke to Olivia for most of the show... I am trying to think of the use of chloroform in it.

Yes. Olivia was dressed up, she was going out for the evening, and a call came in on 911 - it was a little girl who asked for help. Olivia spent nearly the entire show talking with her as the rest tried to figure out if the girl was telling the truth and where she was. Turned out that a notorious child pornographer had her; he walked in as she was talking to Olivia. When LE got to where the girl had been kept, she was gone - the guy had chloroformed her, put her in a bag, and buried her alive in a vacant lot. Olivia and Fin were able to dig her out and save her before she died.

[mbump2]

I'm SURE she LEFT, like the road runner. brrrrrrrrroom :a1chic:


Either that or she is finding all her mistakes and trying to get her cover stories straight. "I had only heard of Zanny 4 years ago, you know aquantences but then Jeff Perkins told me she babysits in 2006. See you got the guys name wrong, Jeff Perkins is the one with the kids that knew that Zanny babysat." :0devil:

[mbump2]

Yes. Olivia was dressed up, she was going out for the evening, and a call came in on 911 - it was a little girl who asked for help. Olivia spent nearly the entire show talking with her as the rest tried to figure out if the girl was telling the truth and where she was. Turned out that a notorious child pornographer had her; he walked in as she was talking to Olivia. When LE got to where the girl had been kept, she was gone - the guy had chloroformed her, put her in a bag, and buried her alive in a vacant lot. Olivia and Fin were able to dig her out and save her before she died.

I loved that one.

[DeeJay]

She shouldn't be wearing that shirt in the first place, in my opinion! :mad:

ITA. I think Cindy makes her wear it, especially when
Casey goes out in public.

Shoot fire, I bet Casey doesn't want to wear it....It's
not her 'fashionable' self. :rolleye0001:

[Jute]

I just read elsewhere that withdrawal from Xanax can cause seizures. Can that be the reason Casey had one when Jesse took her to the ER?

And when did this Eric James Baker come into this case?

In the quote I posted about benzodiazapines, it said that Xanax can also be given to people with a seizure disorder.

[Jute]

She goes to her lawyer's office in those short shorts, and carrying an overstuffed backpack. Hmmmmm :waitasec:

Maybe the backpack has brownie mix and an Easy-Bake Oven in it. :smile:

[AmyE]

Either that or she is finding all her mistakes and trying to get her cover stories straight. "I had only heard of Zanny 4 years ago, you know aquantences but then Jeff Perkins told me she babysits in 2006. See you got the guys name wrong, Jeff Perkins is the one with the kids that knew that Zanny babysat." :0devil:

Wait a sec... I just pulled that name up on google.

Phonebook results for Jeff Perkins Florida
Jeff Perkins (850)
Jeff Perkins (352)
Jeff Perkins (850)
Where was Jeff suppose to be living? I forgot sorry.

[chambord]

http://i35.tinypic.com/dpfs5s.jpg

Webcam seems to be on. Did Casey ever return from her visit today with Baez? And whose pickup is that anyways, seems to be there a lot.

[mbump2]

Wait a sec... I just pulled that name up on google.

Phonebook results for Jeff Perkins Florida
Jeff Perkins (850)
Jeff Perkins (352)
Jeff Perkins (850)

Where was Jeff suppose to be living? I forgot sorry.

Wow, I did not know there was another one here in Leesburg. That was the name of my high school boyfriend who died in a car crash in '94. I was just picking a name that she could pretend got mixed up with Jeff H.

[DeeJay]

Wait a sec... I just pulled that name up on google.

Phonebook results for Jeff Perkins Florida
Jeff Perkins (850)
Jeff Perkins (352)
Jeff Perkins (850)

Where was Jeff suppose to be living? I forgot sorry.


IIRC....Somewhere in the northern part of FL. A big
town. Jacksonville was one of the names.

[AmyE]

Wow, I did not know there was another one here in Leesburg. That was the name of my high school boyfriend who died in a car crash in '94. I was just picking a name that she could pretend got mixed up with Jeff H.



OH... LOL.... I thought maybe Cindy may have said that name or something.

[Jute]

WOW Jute, thanks for the links. I love L & A but that was one of my most favorite epi's ever. Thanks again. :tender::friends3::1222423:

Marissa Hargitay won a Golden Globe for this episode. It dealt with some powerful issues. :friends3:

[mbump2]

OH... LOL.... I thought maybe Cindy may have said that name or something.


LOL, no I was just giving an example of how she might fix the holes in her lies that have been noticed.

[mollybrown]

Wait a sec... I just pulled that name up on google.

Phonebook results for Jeff Perkins Florida
Jeff Perkins (850)
Jeff Perkins (352)
Jeff Perkins (850)

Where was Jeff suppose to be living? I forgot sorry.

I thought it was Jeff Hopkins, Jacksonville, FL :0009:

[Faith]

I agree and after the Casey was driving Cindy's car story that she seems to have forgot I wonder if it is protecting or more than that, maybe more like cover up? I mean come on, how do you forget that Casey had access to your car keys and took your car, and either Cindy was at work that day or not. There is something weird going on, I just don't know what it is yet.

I have thought of that too and I've always believed Cindy knew the truth.

[chambord]

Activity in the driveway.

http://i36.tinypic.com/24xjvk9.jpg

[DeeJay]

Marissa Hargitay won a Golden Globe for this episode. I dealt with some powerful issues. :friends3:

MH & one of my daughers-in-law have been friends since
high school. :party52:

[emmeblu]

48 hours mystery
Shawn Hornbeck interview
Kidnapped
2008 show
10:00 PM EST
For anyone who is interested. Sorry about OT

[Jute]

I really am starting to believe Casey watched these tv shows to get ideas on how to get rid of Caylee. :frown: It's sad because I like to watch them, but not for those reasons! MOO

I like to watch CSI and L&O, too - not to learn how to successfully harm someone, but it's interesting to hear about things like the forensics behind the scene. I know that CSI is largely fake (wouldn't it be wonderful if all the technology they use actually existed?) but I love Grissom's bug fascination, for example. I just learned that it's a myth that hair continues to grow after death - it actually has to do with the skin shrinking around the hair follicle, it then may appear the hair grew. A beard was the example. :smile: (How'd I do, Stacey? :girl_haha: )

[AmyE]

Google Phonebook Jeff Hawkins

Jeff D Hawkins (850)
Jeff Hawkins (941)
Jeff Hawkins (850)
Jeff Hawkins (813)
Jeff Hawkins (904)
Jeff Hawkins (407)
Jeff Hawkins (407)
Jeff Hawkins (352)

[DeeJay]

I thought it was Jeff Hopkins, Jacksonville, FL :0009:

Hopkins has no children.

[mollybrown]

MH & one of my daughers-in-law have been friends since
high school. :party52:

WOW I LOVE LOVE LOVE MH. :love0081:

ETA: But I'm not like THAT ;)

[Jute]

It's really dark but it looks like 3 people in the driveway.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

[emmeblu]

For the last week have there been protesters? What about the body guards and the Guardian Angels, are they still patrolling the house?

:happy0207:Hi Faith, Welcome back. Missed you!

Been doing a lot of reading this evening. It all runs together after a while. Eyes bothering me tonight lol.

[Trailblazer]

Wait a sec... I just pulled that name up on google.

Phonebook results for Jeff Perkins Florida
Jeff Perkins (850)
Jeff Perkins (352)
Jeff Perkins (850)

Where was Jeff suppose to be living? I forgot sorry.

I thought it was Jeff Hopkins, not Perkins

[Jute]

MH & one of my daughers-in-law have been friends since
high school. :party52:

Really? Cool. I like her character - she always looks like she's a genuine person when I see photos of her.

[AmyE]

Phonebook results for Jeff Hopkins Florida
Jeff Hopkins (407)
Jeff Hopkins (727)

[DeeJay]

WOW I LOVE LOVE LOVE MH. :love0081:

ETA: But I'm not like THAT ;)

I remember her mother, very well, at the height of her popularity, too.

[mollybrown]

I like to watch CSI and L&O, too - not to learn how to successfully harm someone, but it's interesting to hear about things like the forensics behind the scene. I know that CSI is largely fake (wouldn't it be wonderful if all the technology they use actually existed?) but I love Grissom's bug fascination, for example. I just learned that it's a myth that hair continues to grow after death - it actually has to do with the skin shrinking around the hair follicle, it then may appear the hair grew. A beard was the example. :smile: (How'd I do, Stacey? :girl_haha: )

For me the orginal L & O was about LAW and ORDER and HOW the process works.

CSI is fantasy for me, but still fun.

as for GRISSOM, YUM YUM :love0081: :67302:

[DeeJay]

Really? Cool. I like her character - she always looks like she's a genuine person when I see photos of her.

She's very sweet. :kissyface4: Very down to earth. Nothing uppity
about her. She's been thru hard knocks in her life.

[mollybrown]

I remember her mother, very well, at the height of her popularity, too.

WOW DJ, I'm glad I'm not THAT old :67302::friends3::girl_haha:

[Faith]

:happy0207:Hi Faith, Welcome back. Missed you!

Been doing a lot of reading this evening. It all runs together after a while. Eyes bothering me tonight lol.

Thanks, missed you all too. I'm catching up on the case!!!! :happy0158: Confused but catching up :francis:

[Jute]

Hi Cham, I've been catching up on the life and times of Paul, also. Here is a great statement released by his daughter. :love0081: and not just because of his eyes.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hLWLyQE5-YLWP1DKtDYHdUCb_sUgD93FA8RO1

In his own words: "It's been a privilege to be here." Devoted husband, father....:1187603408.CR.Mothe Thank you, Molly, what a beautiful tribute to a wonderful man.

[Isabella]

48 hours mystery
Shawn Hornbeck interview
Kidnapped
2008 show
10:00 PM EST
For anyone who is interested. Sorry about OT
TY :smile:

[Jute]

TBH sunstar, I don't think that anything that the anthonys do is any where with in the spectrum of NORMAL. These people are so far off the scale they can't see the scale. As much as I have to have CAYLEE brought home to rest in peace. I really want this family to just get arrested and go AWAY. What with another grandchild coming into the picture, I'm assuming that cindy already HAS A PLAN for this new child. :000a1:

Another grandchild? From where, Molly? :thud2:

[DeeJay]

WOW DJ, I'm glad I'm not THAT old :67302::friends3::girl_haha:

Well, I am THAT old. :thud2: Not as old as her mother
would have been....I was in my mid-teens when she was
popular.

You'll be THAT old....sooner than ya think. :67302:

[Isabella]

Thanks, missed you all too. I'm catching up on the case!!!! :happy0158: Confused but catching up :francis:
HA...I am here every day and still have catching up to do, there was a lot of docs and interviews released this time, I now know more what LE is up agaist.

Interesting that Casey had to meet with Baez today, I know his spokesman Black said the other day there was nothing new, no big deal...well I guess they have changed their minds!

[AmyE]

Amy Huizenga

http://www.us.stagejobspro.com/view.php?uid=165528

[chambord]

TY :smile:

Me too. This case broke my heart. I was so absorbed in it.

[AmyE]

woah... whats going on with the double posts?

[Isabella]

Cham I think we got your point with the first two post's :67302:

[mollybrown]

Well, I am THAT old. :thud2: Not as old as her mother
would have been....I was in my mid-teens when she was
popular.

You'll be THAT old....sooner than ya think. :67302:

Well luckily I'm only five years older the Mariska (love that name by the way) :67302:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariska_Hargitay :1222423:

[Jute]

Since it's basically the same group of us posting here all the time it'll be really easy to spot a newbie ~ especially one who will probably proclaim Casey's innocence!! :girl_haha:

:g: Yep, that would kinda stand out, S* :67302:

[mollybrown]

Cham I think we got your point with the first two post's :67302:

I Guess they REALLY needed to make their point. :67302::67302::67302:

[Jute]

and this one from George Clooney

Home / News / Local / Conn.
Appreciation: Newman was among rare breed of star
By Christy Lemire
AP Movie Critic / September 27, 2008
Email| Print| Single Page| Yahoo! Buzz| ShareThisText size – + snipped......


Clooney himself seemed to recognize the legacy Newman left in reacting to his death Saturday morning: "He set the bar too high for the rest of us ... not just actors, but all of us. He will be greatly missed," he said

Here's a link to a good article about him:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/paul-newman-dead-9pm,0,3747035.story

[chambord]

Cham I think we got your point with the first two post's :67302:

LOL// Crazy... I had no control over what just happened. :blondblush113268230

[emmeblu]

TY :smile:

First 15 min of this show breaks my heart.
Really huge difference in behavior of parents of missing Shawn and the Caylee Anthony case.

For Caylee:1222423:

[AmyE]

LOL// Crazy... I had no control over what just happened. :blondblush113268230


Yeah, it happened to me too.... Very strange! I went back and deleted my extra tag alongs, LOL!

[DeeJay]

Well luckily I'm only five years older the Mariska (love that name by the way) :67302:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariska_Hargitay :1222423:

She's the same age as my daughter-in-law.

Trust me, after age 45, life goes fast. :frown:

[Jute]

Well you know she has sat and googled her and Caylee's names and missing children. There is always the chance she has stumbled across us. Very likely in fact.

I just googled "Casey Anthony" - I expected lots of results, but :thud2:

[sunstar]

Yes. Olivia was dressed up, she was going out for the evening, and a call came in on 911 - it was a little girl who asked for help. Olivia spent nearly the entire show talking with her as the rest tried to figure out if the girl was telling the truth and where she was. Turned out that a notorious child pornographer had her; he walked in as she was talking to Olivia. When LE got to where the girl had been kept, she was gone - the guy had chloroformed her, put her in a bag, and buried her alive in a vacant lot. Olivia and Fin were able to dig her out and save her before she died.

Oh now I remember seeing this episode! Yes!

[Jute]

Molly ...you must have dreamt that...I have never heard or read that anywhere...please tell me you dreamt that...I can't handle another surprise...LOL

:innocent0001:

[Isabella]

LOL// Crazy... I had no control over what just happened. :blondblush113268230
Yeah I know that, Amy didn't either.. but it was still funny. :girl_haha:

[mollybrown]

She's the same age as my daughter-in-law.

Trust me, after age 45, life goes fast. :frown:

Oh don't say that :000a1:, I'm just getting my feet wet. :67302:

[sunstar]

I like to watch CSI and L&O, too - not to learn how to successfully harm someone, but it's interesting to hear about things like the forensics behind the scene. I know that CSI is largely fake (wouldn't it be wonderful if all the technology they use actually existed?) but I love Grissom's bug fascination, for example. I just learned that it's a myth that hair continues to grow after death - it actually has to do with the skin shrinking around the hair follicle, it then may appear the hair grew. A beard was the example. :smile: (How'd I do, Stacey? :girl_haha: )

I always watch original L&O and CSI: Miami. SVU is too sad especially when small children are the 'victims'.

[sunstar]

:g: Yep, that would kinda stand out, S* :67302:

It sure would! I don't think she'll register here. MOO :smile:

[Jute]

Marissa Hargitay won a Golden Globe for this episode. It dealt with some powerful issues. :friends3:

MH & one of my daughers-in-law have been friends since
high school. :party52:

I just realized that I spelled her first name wrong. :blondblush113268230 Mariska Hargitay. You'd think I'd get that right before I'd spell Hargitay correctly. :67302:

[mollybrown]

I just realized that I spelled her first name wrong. :blondblush113268230 Mariska Hargitay. You'd think I'd get that right before I'd spell Hargitay correctly. :67302:


Hey Jute, I'm the spelling missqueen, so I didn't even notice. :67302:

[Jute]

Amy Huizenga

http://www.us.stagejobspro.com/view.php?uid=165528

Amy - you do a great job finding things, thank you! :friends3:

[AmyE]

Amy - you do a great job finding things, thank you! :friends3:

Thank you! :love0081:

[Jute]

First 15 min of this show breaks my heart.
Really huge difference in behavior of parents of missing Shawn and the Caylee Anthony case.

For Caylee:1222423:

I can't watch it; hopefully in time I'll be able to see it though. What Shawn and his family experienced will haunt me until the day I die. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

[AmyE]

Casey (Pictures are some of those found on her comp.)

http://www.coolchaser.com/themes/keywords/Casey+marie

[Jute]

I always watch original L&O and CSI: Miami. SVU is too sad especially when small children are the 'victims'.

I agree that when SVU deals with children, it is tough to watch - but they do address some real issues out there, just in a fiction setting. One of the things I like is seeing how they portray how these cases impact the detectives; Eliot takes the cases home and it affects his interaction with his kids, Olivia was desperate because she couldn't find the truth about the little girl. It made me think about the detectives working on Caylee's case - it has to be terribly hard on them. :1187603408.CR.Mothe JMO

[Jute]

Casey (Pictures are some of those found on her comp.)

http://www.coolchaser.com/themes/keywords/Casey+marie

How can I find the photos, Amy? I found this: "Here are some awesome casey marie themes CoolChaser users created" and "Puerto Rican Parking by: Joanna Marie." Am I missing a link? Thanks. :smile:

[DeeJay]

I just realized that I spelled her first name wrong. :blondblush113268230 Mariska Hargitay. You'd think I'd get that right before I'd spell Hargitay correctly. :67302:

I noticed ya did, but I didn't want to say anything.

Ppl that correct others typos and misspellings on boards
has always been a pet peeve of mine. :doh:

[sunstar]

I agree that when SVU deals with children, it is tough to watch - but they do address some real issues out there, just in a fiction setting. One of the things I like is seeing how they portray how these cases impact the detectives; Eliot takes the cases home and it affects his interaction with his kids, Olivia was desperate because she couldn't find the truth about the little girl. It made me think about the detectives working on Caylee's case - it has to be terribly hard on them. :1187603408.CR.Mothe JMO

Oh I agree about the toll it takes on LE. It amazes me how they can be so professional and not "lose it" when dealing with somebody like Casey, who they know is lying and probably took Caylee's life and won't tell them where she is. MOO

[Jute]

I noticed ya did, but I didn't want to say anything.

Ppl that correct others typos and misspellings on boards
has always been a pet peeve of mine. :doh:

At the very least, I try to spell names correctly. :67302: I can only type 2 words/hr. - I must have been going over my limit. :smile:

[DeeJay]

Hey, JUTE! Shall I tell her, next time
I see her,

"Jute from the HFTM bb spelled your first name wrong,
but spelled your last name right and JUTE says, HEY! Never misses your show."

:67302:

[Jute]

Hey, JUTE! Shall I tell her, next time
I see her,

"Jute from the HFTM bb spelled your first name wrong,
but spelled your last name right and JUTE says, HEY! Never misses your show."

:67302:

:67302: Just add that I can tell she loves being a mommy - she just glows. :smile:

[DeeJay]

:67302: Just add that I can tell she loves being a mommy - she just glows. :smile:

Her little boy is just adorable, too. IIRC, he's about the
same age as Caylee. He may be a bit older but not much.

[emmeblu]

I can't watch it; hopefully in time I'll be able to see it though. What Shawn and his family experienced will haunt me until the day I die. :1187603408.CR.Mothe

:cray:An amazing young man and an amazing family.
I cried nearly the entire show.

[mbump2]

MH & one of my daughers-in-law have been friends since
high school. :party52:

Oh, I am so jealous. I love her. I tried to talk hubby into naming my dd Olivia.

[mbump2]

I thought it was Jeff Hopkins, not Perkins

It was, I was just using a senerio where she might make up a name to explain her inconsistant statements.

[Jute]

I'm finally listening to Cindy. "Our life was Caylee..."

[mbump2]

I'm finally listening to Cindy. "Our life was Caylee..."


That says it all....:1187603408.CR.Mothe WAS

[Isabella]

I'm finally listening to Cindy. "Our life was Caylee..."
wow :frown:

I listened to George's and noticed he said 'the girl' a lot, never really said Caylee, I found that strange.

[Jute]

Cindy said that it was her routine to call Casey as she was leaving work, Casey would fill her in on what Caylee had done during the day. WHY would a woman who calls her daughter every day to check on her granddaughter's activity not know the babysitter this child has gone to for a year and a half? She and Casey gave Caylee a bath together every night, Cindy rocked Caylee every night. It goes on and on, yet she claims not to know anything about this babysitter other than details Casey shared.

[awakening2lite]

Cindy said that it was her routine to call Casey as she was leaving work, Casey would fill her in on what Caylee had done during the day. WHY would a woman who calls her daughter every day to check on her granddaughter's activity not know the babysitter this child has gone to for a year and a half? She and Casey gave Caylee a bath together every night, Cindy rocked Caylee every night. It goes on and on, yet she claims not to know anything about this babysitter other than details Casey shared.

IA, Cindy wrote how worried she was about who was caring for Caylee while she knew/thought Caylee was with Casey, but she never seemed concerned about a stranger having Caylee. It just doesn't add up. Something else is going on, it has to be. IMO MOO JMO

I am beginning to suspect Cindy is presenting (sugarcoating) herself in a kinder light, just as she has been doing for Casey. I am beginning to suspect little Caylee may not have been as "cared" for as was once thought. IMO MOO JMO

[Stacey3772]

OK, is this the one where they girl called 911 and spoke to Olivia for most of the show... I am trying to think of the use of chloroform in it.

yea, i saw that one too. i dont recall chloroform, though. I do know the guy buried her alive at the end. (she made it, everyone.... dont worry! :smile:)

[Stacey3772]

Proabaly her laptop, hair brush, make-up, pizza (rotten), J/K

I don't know but sure is alot of stuff in there. JMO

.... and 2 dead squirrels.

[awakening2lite]

Can someone post a link for George's interview? TIA

[Stacey3772]

I like to watch CSI and L&O, too - not to learn how to successfully harm someone, but it's interesting to hear about things like the forensics behind the scene. I know that CSI is largely fake (wouldn't it be wonderful if all the technology they use actually existed?) but I love Grissom's bug fascination, for example. I just learned that it's a myth that hair continues to grow after death - it actually has to do with the skin shrinking around the hair follicle, it then may appear the hair grew. A beard was the example. :smile: (How'd I do, Stacey? :girl_haha: )

yay! your exactly right!!! the skin shrinks away from the nails and stuff and makes them appear longer.

-however- you do pass gas after death :0009:

[Stacey3772]

wow :frown:

I listened to George's and noticed he said 'the girl' a lot, never really said Caylee, I found that strange.

i noticed that too. they all do it. "that little girl"... cindy did that when she first called 911 to report casey stole the cc, too. "A 22 year old" "I want to press charges".

Family has some serious detachment issues!

[Jute]

IA, Cindy wrote how worried she was about who was caring for Caylee while she knew/thought Caylee was with Casey, but she never seemed concerned about a stranger having Caylee. It just doesn't add up. Something else is going on, it has to be. IMO MOO JMO

I am beginning to suspect Cindy is presenting (sugarcoating) herself in a kinder light, just as she has been doing for Casey. I am beginning to suspect little Caylee may not have been as "cared" for as was once thought. IMO MOO JMO

I don't know what is going on, but I am flabbergasted after listening to Cindy's interview. The intricate, detailed, inter-connected description of Casey's world are mind-boggling. If you took each little detail that Cindy talked about and made them into little puzzle pieces, they would all fit together perfectly - a clear, concise picture of Casey's life. And it is all lies.

Cindy recites these details as if she truly believes them - but admits that she only has Casey's word to go on, nothing about Casey's life outside of that home is a known entity to Cindy.

Det. Melich did a fantastic job, IMO. He was very compassionate, but just as firm about the truth - and Cindy did not want to hear what he had to say. She would not listen to what he said, even after he told her that her behavior is impeding their investigation into where Caylee is. She continued the same type of behavior that he specifically said was harmful to the investigation - repeating allegations and making statements that have no basis in truth. Why?

Cindy's determined effort to place the blame for Caylee's disappearance was absolutely unbelievable.

JMO - IMO - MOO

[Pauli]

Just a little reminder, please don't post anyone's address that has not been given in a news report and also, no phone numbers at all...

Thanks...

[Jute]

i noticed that too. they all do it. "that little girl"... cindy did that when she first called 911 to report casey stole the cc, too. "A 22 year old" "I want to press charges".

Family has some serious detachment issues!

Detachment <---> Lies. Wonder which came first? Does this family lie because they have to, because they are so detached from each other that lies are the only way they can make each other care? Or are they detached from each other because their entire life has become a lie?

JMO - IMO - MOO

[Lilly]

Check out these pics.. I hadn't seen them before. http://monica111466.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/morefromtoday015.jpg

http://monica111466.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/cindy21.jpg


And a few we've seen just complete the insanity:

http://monica111466.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/caseyhighfive1.jpg

http://monica111466.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/ddc8j5.jpg

http://monica111466.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/vlcsnap-13000725.jpg

http://monica111466.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/capt84b45c05f1d046d9ba4efbd93a0d3f1cmissing_florid a_girl_flpe103.jpg

[Lilly]

Faith/Pauli,

This was prob a bad place to put all those links..I didn't think of that until after I posted. Sorry! I didn't see some of those in the links thread.. so could you please move/copy as you see fit? I would if I had a clue how to do it without starting over. TX :)

[Jute]

these links dont have to be downloaded either:

Casey's text messages with nyitaliano also doesn't have to be downloaded:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1603739/casey-anthony-im-messages

computer forensics report:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1603690/casey-anthony-computer-report

slideshow of cell phone pics:
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17566928/detail.html

This clip from the IM is the type of thing that just shocks me - Casey is so blithe in her lies. They just flow out of her. She uses "realistically" often. JMO

[Jute]

ZG defamation suit documents:

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092408zenaidalawsuit/indexGallery.htm

[P.I.Jane]

Can someone post a link for George's interview? TIA
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/27/audio_video_recordings_released_by_law_enforcement .html

[Jute]

Can someone help me find the written transcript of Cindy's LE interview? All I can find now is video. Thanks.

[Trailblazer]

New information also disclosed that bounty hunter Leonard Padilla, who helped bail Casey out of jail, has withdrawn his $50,000 reward for information leading to the whereabouts of Caylee.
Padilla told WESH 2's Michelle Meredith that he believes Caylee is dead and that her body is in a landfill, virtually impossible to find.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17564904/detail.html

[Jute]

Screen shots from the June 15 video of Caylee -

[chambord]

:mornincoffee:


Richard Grund is going to make an announcement Monday night.


http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=436602148


Last paragraph.

[Jute]

:mornincoffee:


Richard Grund is going to make an announcement Monday night.


http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=436602148


Last paragraph.

I like what he has to say about truth:

"Truth has a way of dealing with lies. It exposes them and reveals them for what they are. Truth will always win out. We don't have to yell or scream or throw a tantrum. All we have to do is tell the truth and let it take care of itself."

[Trailblazer]

:mornincoffee:


Richard Grund is going to make an announcement Monday night.


http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=436602148


Last paragraph.


Morning....so do you understand what he's saying???

[chambord]

I like what he has to say about truth:

"Truth has a way of dealing with lies. It exposes them and reveals them for what they are. Truth will always win out. We don't have to yell or scream or throw a tantrum. All we have to do is tell the truth and let it take care of itself."

I wonder what he is going to say, and if it will be on NG or on his blog.

[chambord]

Morning....so do you understand what he's saying???

I have no idea what he is alluding to, what's your guess?

[Trailblazer]

I have no idea what he is alluding to, what's your guess?

No clue...the man seems so straightforward on TV...but his blog and MySpace confuses me....

I can only guess that he's going to tell his truth about Jesse and Casey and the Anthonys. :shrug1:

[queenbee]

I like what he has to say about truth:

"Truth has a way of dealing with lies. It exposes them and reveals them for what they are. Truth will always win out. We don't have to yell or scream or throw a tantrum. All we have to do is tell the truth and let it take care of itself."

I love what Richard wrote this is soooo true
I cant wait to see what bomb shell is gonna be dropped:happy0158:

[chambord]

No clue...the man seems so straightforward on TV...but his blog and MySpace confuses me....

I can only guess that he's going to tell his truth about Jesse and Casey and the Anthonys. :shrug1:

I thought he did that when he was last on NG. lol..Guess not.

[chambord]

Tony L joined SM and was answering questions.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3434.60

[queenbee]

Tony L joined SM and was answering questions.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3434.60

It says problem loading page I will try again later that would be most interesting:happy0158:

[chambord]

It says problem loading page I will try again later that would be most interesting:happy0158:

Yes it was. Remember that Clint that went on NG or Greta? Tony didn't have anything nice to say about him at all. Said he wasn't his roommate but just a guy who crashed on his couch. Also told Tony you can make some big money off this story.