Michael Jackson #4

[Ann]

Originally Posted by Firehead

I do also. I am not to sure he was always on the propofol. Murray denied the suppling of the drug. Now we know that he did indeed have some shipped to his girlfriends home.

Would you think that he would be able to show just how much Jackson was taking if this were true? Know what I mean?

From what I have read about the autopsy report there were no drugs in his system except for those Murray has admitted to giving him that night. Murray claims he was trying to wean Michael off the propofol. That may be true, but IMO Murray was not qualified to do that and was in over his head.

Michael was also getting propofol nightly during his 1996-97 HIStory tour which was an 80 concert tour and a world tour--not in one locale like the O2 concerts. Granted it was 12 years ago, so who knows.

Even though Michael was thin, I think he could have probably done the concerts. IMO from seeing the movie, it was something he wanted a lot. I think as time went on his endurance would have increased.

If you watch Dancing With The Stars even the celebrities with no dancing experience get stronger and better as the weeks go on. Michael was a dancer all his life. I think he could have done it.

[Firehead]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...mQ4JgD9BQ9Q4O5

Joe Jackson seeks stipend from Michael's estate
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY (AP) – 57 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson's father is seeking an allowance from his son's estate to help cover expenses that exceed $15,000 a month, according to court documents filed Friday.

The request seeking an unspecified amount for Joe Jackson was filed by lawyer Brian Oxman, who said there was no apparent reason for the administrators of the estate to not seek an allowance for the 81-year-old Jackson family patriarch.

Michael Jackson's 2002 will, however, only called for money to be paid to his mother, Katherine, his three young children, and various charities.

A judge has approved more than $26,000 in payments to Katherine Jackson each month, and a $60,000 monthly payment for the care of the children.

This makes me

[Trailblazer]

Originally Posted by Firehead

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...mQ4JgD9BQ9Q4O5

Joe Jackson seeks stipend from Michael's estate
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY (AP) – 57 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson's father is seeking an allowance from his son's estate to help cover expenses that exceed $15,000 a month, according to court documents filed Friday.

The request seeking an unspecified amount for Joe Jackson was filed by lawyer Brian Oxman, who said there was no apparent reason for the administrators of the estate to not seek an allowance for the 81-year-old Jackson family patriarch.

Michael Jackson's 2002 will, however, only called for money to be paid to his mother, Katherine, his three young children, and various charities.

A judge has approved more than $26,000 in payments to Katherine Jackson each month, and a $60,000 monthly payment for the care of the children.

This makes me

OMG It takes moxie to put it kindly for Joe Jackson to ask for monies from Michaels estate...

And why in the world does Katherine need 26k herself and 60k for the care of the kids a month...Wow sure seems like a lotta of money...Bet that 60k doesn't go all for the kids..

[Ann]

Debbie Rowe: Back to Court on Jackson Kids Visits

By: Roger Friedman // Thursday November 5, 2009

Debbie Rowe — mother of Michael Jackson’s two eldest children, Prince Michael and Paris – is on her way back to court. The reason? Sources say that in the four months since Michael died, she still has not seen the kids.

I am told that the deal Rowe worked out with Katherine Jackson after Michael died provided for visits with the kids and a family court psychiatrist. Rowe insisted on the latter, thinking it would be helpful to introduce her into the kids’ lives.

But one visit was scotched by Katherine Jackson, and since then the Jacksons have resisted efforts to make a meeting possible. Rowe is unhappy with the situation, and is said to be instructing her attorney to go back to their family court judge for an intervention.

“Katherine doesn’t like the idea of the psychiatrist,” says a source. She also, plainly, doesn’t like the idea of the children’s natural mother getting close to them.

Maybe one reason is that there are a lot of questions about what is going on in the Jackson home. For one thing, one of Rowe’s provisions in the original agreement is that Joseph Jackson have nothing to do with the kids. He’s been revealed by Michael in several different kinds of interviews as abusive to children. He’s certainly been openly exploitative of Michael since his death.

But Joe Jackson has regularly been a presence in Prince, Paris and Blanket’s lives since Michael’s death and the court agreement. In fact, sources say he was there at Hayvenhurst last week with them.

To make matters worse, I received a call last week from a friend of Joe Jackson’s, and someone who usually defends the family.

“Those kids should not be in that house,” this insider told me. “All that’s talked about is money, Michael’s money, and how to get it. The kids are very sweet now. But they’ll be ruined if they turn into Jacksons.”

http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/debb...ichael-jackso/

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33847503...t-celebrities/

Jackson’s private funeral cost nearly $1 million
Court documents indicate family spent $35,000 for burial garments

Michael Jackson’s private family funeral was fit for a king and had a price tag to match: roughly $1 million, according to court documents released Tuesday.

Although Jackson died in June and had a large public tribute at the Staples Center in Los Angeles in July, the private family funeral held Sept. 3 appeared to have been arranged with urgency.

Legal requests for payments filed with estate administrators by attorneys for Michael Jackson’s mother only three days before the scheduled burial noted that if payment was not received by the funeral home and the Glendale Police Department by Sept. 1, “the funeral will not proceed.”

The lawyers warned that such a development would cause Katherine Jackson and the family “public embarrassment and added grief, along with the daunting task of having to make new arrangements.”

There was no indication of resistance by the administrators, who approved payment of all expenses and reimbursement of Michael Jackson’s sister Janet for an advance payment to Forest Lawn-Glendale of $49,000.

The final tally of costs included $855,730 to Forest Lawn for cemetery and funeral charges including the purchase of other plots within the same mausoleum that houses Jackson’s body

Also listed were: $35,000 for burial garments; $1,975 for wardrobe for the family; $2,000 for usher costumes; $3,682 for framing of a photograph of Jackson next to the casket; $959 for embroidery; $11,716 for invitations and programs; $16,000 for flowers; $30,000 for cars and security; and $15,000 for a funeral designer. There was also a charge of $21,455 for the “funeral repast” at a restaurant after the ceremony.

During the period that the family waited to bury Jackson, they were charged $5,000 a month for holding the remains in a temporary vault.

The documents showed that his mother, brother Randy and sister Janet were involved in the planning and were mindful that the media would be covering the funeral, although media were not allowed inside the ceremony.

“Mrs. Jackson and her family wish to honor her son by a funeral that seeks to offer solace to his multitude of fans and by which the family also may be comforted,” the attorneys said. The costs were substantial but “entirely commensurate with the decedent’s worldwide status as an entertainer and the world’s grief over his death.”

Mrs. Jackson’s attorneys were granted the request for $1 million. The administrators noted this was in addition to the costs of the Staples Center tribute, which was approved by the court as part of the agreement with entertainment group AEG.

Outside court on Tuesday, lawyer Howard Weitzman, who represents the administrators, said: “I would have done it less expensively. But it was Michael Jackson, who was larger than life. There’s no reason he should not have a funeral that’s larger than life.”

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091111/...jackson_estate

Judge: Joe Jackson can't challenge will executors

Tue Nov 10, 8:46 pm ET

LOS ANGELES – Michael Jackson's father does not stand to inherit any of his son's assets and cannot challenge the appointment of the executors chosen by the singer to handle his will, a judge said Tuesday.

Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff said Joe Jackson was not named in the will but could pursue a motion to receive a family allowance from the estate because he claimed his son had been supporting him.

Joe Jackson and his son had an often-strained relationship, and Michael Jackson said at one point that he would get physically sick — as a child and as an adult — at the sight of his father.

Beckloff ended a contentious all-day hearing by telling Joe Jackson's lawyer, Brian Oxman, that his client had no standing to prolong the legal fray over Jackson's estate and would gain nothing from doing so.

"I don't think he gets to step into this and create further litigation," the judge declared. "Joe Jackson takes none of this estate. This is a decision his son made."

In another development, the court released an accounting that the estate had paid nearly $1 million in expenses for the private family funeral held at Forest Lawn Memorial Park.

Some of the expenses were $11,716 for invitations and programs; $35,000 for burial garments; $30,000 for cars and security; and $15,000 to a designer.

"I would have done it less expensively. But it was Michael Jackson, who was larger than life," Howard Weitzman, an attorney for the estate administrators, said outside court. "There's no reason he should not have a funeral that's larger than life."

Earlier in Tuesday's hearing, Michael Jackson's mother withdrew her objections to the appointment of two longtime Jackson associates as executors of his will.

The surprise announcement came from Katherine Jackson's new probate attorney Adam Streisand, who said his client felt it was time for the legal battle to end over the appointment of attorney John Branca and music executive John McClain.

Katherine Jackson now believes their appointment, as spelled out in her son's will, can "enhance the legacy of Michael Jackson in the best interest of his children," Streisand said.

It was Streisand's first major move in the case since he was chosen last month by Katherine Jackson to replace the team that had represented her since her son's death in June.

Beckloff later made the formal appointment of the executors after deciding Jackson's father could not challenge the move. Oxman threatened to appeal, which could interfere further with the appointments.

Streisand said Katherine Jackson decided she wanted to let the executors go about earning money for the estate rather than incurring more legal fees.

Oxman, however, accused her of reneging on an agreement with her family to challenge the executors and called the announcement in court "one of the most despicable things I have ever seen."

He accused Katherine Jackson of making a secret deal with the executors, a statement vehemently denied by Streisand and Weitzman.

Streisand said no one but he and Mrs. Jackson knew of her decision until he stood in court and announced it.


"All the credit goes to Mrs. Jackson," the lawyer said. "She is really the wise sage of this family."

The judge scheduled a hearing for Dec. 10 on Joe Jackson's request for a family allowance. Streisand suggested Katherine Jackson would support that request.

The will left Michael Jackson's assets to his mother, his children and children's charities.

Branca is an attorney who represented Jackson for more than 20 years and is regarded as the architect of his financial empire. McClain is a music executive and childhood friend of the singer.

Katherine Jackson's original legal team complained that she was not being given enough of a role in making decisions after her son's death. While they considered a challenge, the judge allowed the administrators to go forward with projects including the movie, "This Is It," which brought $60 million into the estate and became a box office hit.

Branca and McClain were credited as executive producers on the movie.

A 60-page motion filed by Oxman detailed Joe Jackson's bid to get money from his son's estate. The father is seeking an allowance to help cover expenses that exceed $15,000 a month, according to the court documents.

The documents said Joe Jackson receives a $1,700 monthly Social Security payment and had relied on his son for support for many years.
Joe Jackson suffers from diabetes and had a stroke in 1998, the filing stated.

A former steelworker, he managed and trained his children and organized the Jackson 5. He has been married to Katherine Jackson for 50 years, but he lists his home in Las Vegas. She lives at a family home in the San Fernando Valley north of Los Angeles.

The filings list Joe Jackson's age as 80 in one place and 81 in another.
His list of monthly expenses includes $1,200 for rent for his Las Vegas home; $2,500 to eat out; $1,000 for entertainment, gifts and vacations; $2,000 on air travel and $3,000 on hotels.

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Dr. Murray: Please Hold ... MJ is Dying
Posted Nov 10th 2009 1:00AM by TMZ Staff

Dr. Conrad Murray was on the phone with his girlfriend as Michael Jackson was dying ... sources connected to the case tell TMZ.

We've learned Dr. Murray was on a cell phone with his girlfriend from Houston between 12:03 and 12:13 PM on June 25, 2009 -- the day Jackson died.

Sources say the girlfriend told LAPD detectives about 5 minutes into the call, she heard Dr. Murray abruptly drop the phone and then heard him administer CPR. The girlfriend said there was no indication Dr. Murray knew anything was amiss before dropping the telephone.

Sources say the girlfriend does not know if Murray was in the room with Jackson when he called her or if he walked in just before realizing MJ was in deep trouble.

The bodyguard called 911 at 12:21 PM, approximately 13 minutes after Dr. Murray dropped the phone.

It has been widely reported Dr. Murray was on the phone for 47 minutes before calling 911. It appears those calls were actually made before Dr. Murray realized Jackson was in distress.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-...#ixzz0WYSOBX2b

Negligent for him to leave MJ alone while administering this deadly drug. He should not have left the room to talk with his girlfriend on the phone, IMO..bad enough he was doing something illegal, now negligence is added to the insult of taking such a bright star...

I wonder when and if this good doctor will be arrested?

[Tam5115]

I saw This Is It on Sunday. That would have been an amazing show had it actually been performed. In no way did I see any evidence that Michael was unhealthy or physically unable to have done these shows. He was definitely not impaired by any drug, and he was the sharpest tack in the whole dang enterprise. My husband has been a musician and sound engineer for many years. He knew exactly what they were talking about throughout the entire movie. All the technical stuff that I would miss or not know jack about, he knew about. His opinion was that Michael was the best at what he did, and that he ran every aspect of the whole shebang, ya know? He really enjoyed the movie and I think that surprised him.

Anyway, I came away from that angry. I now fully blame the Dr. That man had no business EVER administering Propofol, in or OUT of a hospital. Michael may have wanted it, may have found someone to give it to him if Murray would not, but the idea that a doctor can be bought is despicable and should not be tolerated at any time.

Look at what we have lost!

[Firehead]

What was your opinion on Michael's death and how do you think Murray should have been charged prior to seeing this movie and has it changed after you saw it?

[Tam5115]

Originally Posted by Firehead

What was your opinion on Michael's death and how do you think Murray should have been charged prior to seeing this movie and has it changed after you saw it?

I was absolutely devastated by Michael's death! I had always been a fan and I never believed he was a pedophile in any way, shape or form. I thought the whole extortions and the court system broke his heart and his spirit. I was really sad for him in the years since that happened. His leaving Neverland and the country and really, he didn't look healthy the few times we'd see pictures of him. So I was always worried about him.

When it became apparent that propofol caused his death, I couldn't see any way around anyone but the doctor being responsible. The bottom line being that Murray had no right to prescribe or administer that drug in that situation. It's negligent and manslaughter at the least IMO. It is up to the courts to decide.

What the movie answered for me was that Michael didn't have a drug problem that was ongoing. We've all seen it. Celebrities who have drug problems and can't seem to function for any length of time. That footage covered from April to June IIRC. He was doing an incredible amount of work during that time. Not something that he could have done had he been in the shape that say, Elvis was before he died.

It would seem that Michael had horrifying insomnia, and that made him desperate and he thought the propofol was the answer. I believe it was the responsibility of the medical professionals to not do what they knew was unethical and dangerous. That's just my opinion.